Battle of the T-Shirts Was: Pathetic bunch arrives at Boston Church
Prignillius
dbj...@iag.net (Beverly) wrote:
>
> Great ideas. I would like a T-shirt with a pic of Hebbie Jeebie
> in handcuffs, with the caption "President of Co$ . . Bail Jumper."
This is the second time I've seen this a.r.s myth in this thread.
Heber Jentzsch did *not* jump bail in Spain.
He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
He never returned for trial because the trial was never held.
In order for him to have jumped bail, he would have had to skip
the trial, in which case he would probably have been convicted
in absentia anyway, like Hubbard was in France.
People, please quit spreading this false rumor. It makes you look
like the mindless, unthinking, party-line-spouting robots that
Anonymous and his friends are always accusing you of being.
>
> I would also like a T-shirt with the pic of Hubbard you mentioned
> stating, "Look what $cientology did for it's Founder".
>
> Beverly
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Tommy
>
> Prignillius wrote:
> > dbj...@iag.net (Beverly) wrote:
>
> > > Great ideas. I would like a T-shirt with a pic of Hebbie Jeebie
> > > in handcuffs, with the caption "President of Co$ . . Bail Jumper."
>
> > This is the second time I've seen this a.r.s myth in this thread.
> > Heber Jentzsch did *not* jump bail in Spain.
> > He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
>
>
> Change caption to "President of Co$ . . Under Arrest"
>
> Beverly
And I sit corrected.Can I still have the picture put on a shirt with the
caption "The President of $cientology"?
Tommy
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"I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion,
we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less
customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could
make it stick."
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Ron
Christopher Leithiser
Tommy wrote:
> Beverly wrote:
> >
> > Prignillius wrote:
> > > dbj...@iag.net (Beverly) wrote:
> >
> > > > Great ideas. I would like a T-shirt with a pic of Hebbie Jeebie
> > > > in handcuffs, with the caption "President of Co$ . . Bail Jumper."
> >
> > > This is the second time I've seen this a.r.s myth in this thread.
> > > Heber Jentzsch did *not* jump bail in Spain.
> > > He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
> >
> > Oops. Okay, I stand corrected, thanks.
> >
> > Change caption to "President of Co$ . . Under Arrest"
> >
> > Beverly
>
> And I sit corrected.Can I still have the picture put on a shirt with the
> caption "The President of $cientology"?
>
> Tommy
OK, how does one define "jumping bail?" and why does it not apply to
Heebie-Jeebie? Jumping bail is posting bail--a security deposit to insure
one's return for trial--and then abandoning that deposit and breaking the
promise to return. He posted bail, he left the country, he jumped bail.
The $1 million wasn't a fine levied by the court, which didn't have the
chance, since the coward ran for safety.
Mike O'Connor
<clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
> OK, how does one define "jumping bail?" and why does it not apply to
> Heebie-Jeebie? Jumping bail is posting bail--a security deposit to insure
> one's return for trial--and then abandoning that deposit and breaking the
> promise to return. He posted bail, he left the country, he jumped bail.
> The $1 million wasn't a fine levied by the court, which didn't have the
> chance, since the coward ran for safety.
You jump bail when you don't return to court when required. If you have
not been required to return, you have not jumped bail. IANAL.
-Mike
Censored by Scientology
Keith Henson
: Beverly wrote:
: >
: > Prignillius wrote:
: > > dbj...@iag.net (Beverly) wrote:
: >
: > > > Great ideas. I would like a T-shirt with a pic of Hebbie Jeebie
: > > > in handcuffs, with the caption "President of Co$ . . Bail Jumper."
: >
: > > This is the second time I've seen this a.r.s myth in this thread.
: > > Heber Jentzsch did *not* jump bail in Spain.
: > > He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
: >
: > Oops. Okay, I stand corrected, thanks.
The meaning of "jumping bail" is when a person is released on bail and
fails to come back when ordered or at the time set. The usual response
in the US is for the court to confiscate the bail money and issue a bench
warrent for the cops to take the person into custody. The question is,
did Heber go back to Spain either at some date or when asked or did he
become a bail jumper? I frankly don't know, but someone who can speak
Spanish might be able to find out. Keith Henson
: > Change caption to "President of Co$ . . Under Arrest"
: >
: > Beverly
: And I sit corrected.Can I still have the picture put on a shirt with the
: caption "The President of $cientology"?
: Tommy
: --
AndroidCat
So did he ever get the bail money back? And why didn't they ever proceed to
trial?
/\<.
Nick Andrew
>He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
>He never returned for trial because the trial was never held.
>In order for him to have jumped bail, he would have had to skip
>the trial, in which case he would probably have been convicted
>in absentia anyway, like Hubbard was in France.
So did the Court refund the bail money?
Nick.
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Gregg Hagglund
lep...@panix.com (Mike O'Connor) wrote:
>In article <3624C7B3...@bc.cc.ca.us>, Christopher Leithiser
><clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> OK, how does one define "jumping bail?" and why does it not apply to
>> Heebie-Jeebie? Jumping bail is posting bail--a security deposit to insure
>> one's return for trial--and then abandoning that deposit and breaking the
>> promise to return. He posted bail, he left the country, he jumped bail.
>> The $1 million wasn't a fine levied by the court, which didn't have the
>> chance, since the coward ran for safety.
>
>You jump bail when you don't return to court when required. If you have
>not been required to return, you have not jumped bail. IANAL.
>
>-Mike
>Censored by Scientology
True, but it depends on the condition of the bail. If Hebbie
was, as a condition of the bail, not to leave Spain, then he
jumped. If not, then he has not. And the $1 million stands
as a guarantee he will return to Spanish Sovereign Soil
when asked. Which situation is applicable is something
that should be inquired of with the Spanish authorities.
AFAIK, there *is* an unseverved Spanish 'appearance'
warrant out on Hebbie. One which, apparently by treaty,
Canada would honour.
So I agree, until further definitive info may be gathered
from the Spanish Authorities Hebbie is merely 'out on bail'.
But the size of the bail does indicate the Spanish Authorities
considered him, righfully IMHO, a flight risk.
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Chris Owen
<andro...@hotmail.com> writes
>Mike O'Connor wrote in message ...
>><clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, how does one define "jumping bail?" and why does it not apply to
>>> Heebie-Jeebie? Jumping bail is posting bail--a security deposit to
>insure
>>> one's return for trial--and then abandoning that deposit and breaking the
>>> promise to return. He posted bail, he left the country, he jumped bail.
>>> The $1 million wasn't a fine levied by the court, which didn't have the
>>> chance, since the coward ran for safety.
>>
>>You jump bail when you don't return to court when required. If you have
>>not been required to return, you have not jumped bail. IANAL.
>
>trial?
The British Newspaper Library here in London has stacks of back copies
of the Spanish daily newspaper El Pais, with literally dozens of stories
about Heber's not-trial. Unfortunately I can't read Spanish at all...
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Prignillius
ni...@zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) wrote:
>
> In <1998101323115...@nym.alias.net> Prignillius <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:
>
> >He was released on bail (around $1M IIRC).
>
> >He never returned for trial because the trial was never held.
> >In order for him to have jumped bail, he would have had to skip
> >the trial, in which case he would probably have been convicted
> >in absentia anyway, like Hubbard was in France.
>
> So did the Court refund the bail money?
AFAIK they did not. The trial was not cancelled. The Spanish
simply never got around to holding it. The last post I read
on this said that it didn't look like they ever would get around
to holding it. (Apparently the Spanish legal system is even worse,
if possible, than the US one ;)
>
> Nick.
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Prignillius
elr...@cgo.wave.ca (Gregg Hagglund) wrote:
>
> In article <lepton-1410...@lepton.dialup.access.net>,
> lep...@panix.com (Mike O'Connor) wrote:
>
> ><clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >> OK, how does one define "jumping bail?" and why does it not apply to
> >> Heebie-Jeebie? Jumping bail is posting bail--a security deposit to insure
> >> one's return for trial--and then abandoning that deposit and breaking the
> >> promise to return. He posted bail, he left the country, he jumped bail.
> >> The $1 million wasn't a fine levied by the court, which didn't have the
> >> chance, since the coward ran for safety.
This would only be true if the trial had been held, and Heber had
not returned for it. This was not the case, however.
>
> >
> >You jump bail when you don't return to court when required. If you have
> >not been required to return, you have not jumped bail. IANAL.
> >
> >-Mike
> >Censored by Scientology
>
> True, but it depends on the condition of the bail. If Hebbie
> was, as a condition of the bail, not to leave Spain, then he
> jumped.
I'm relatively certain this was not the case. I never heard anything
about Heber sneaking or being smuggled out of Spain.
>
> If not, then he has not. And the $1 million stands
> as a guarantee he will return to Spanish Sovereign Soil
> when asked. Which situation is applicable is something
> that should be inquired of with the Spanish authorities.
> AFAIK, there *is* an unseverved Spanish 'appearance'
> warrant out on Hebbie. One which, apparently by treaty,
> Canada would honour.
I don't know what you're getting at here. The trial was never
held, so Heber was never asked to return for it. What "appearance"
was he supposed to make? Where did you get this information?
>
> So I agree, until further definitive info may be gathered
> from the Spanish Authorities Hebbie is merely 'out on bail'.
This is my understanding -- that he's "out on bail," not that
he "jumped bail."
>
> But the size of the bail does indicate the Spanish Authorities
> considered him, righfully IMHO, a flight risk.
More like a return risk, IMAO.
But unless they ever get around to asking him to return, it's
kind of a moot point.
>
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> I should take care if I were you."
> -Marcus Nyman, OSA (former GO), $cio-org, Stockholm, Sweden.]
>
> Gregg Hagglund SP5
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