Scientology and Contradictions: Updated in June of 2006
Magoo
post. IF by chance it does finally post (more than once), I'm
sorry for that. Due to it not posting for over a half hour, I've
tried again to post it. Here ya go:
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:18 am:
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CONTRADICTIONS
"Magoo" mag...@charter.net
CONTRADICTIONS
11 Jan 2003
Updated June 11, 2006
CONTRADICTIONS
Having lived within the Scientology community, as part of the
organization that calls itself, "The Church of Scientology" for 30 years,
and then having woken up and left, I would not like to present some major
contradictions from my own personal experiences.
The letter "C" will indicate the contradictions for me. Some others
may find these true or not, however most people I've spoken to who were in
and left feel the same about a majority of these.
I welcome any in put from people who have been in and left or even
critics who have studied Scientology for some time.
1. Scientology says they are working to Free Mankind.
C) Scientology in truth actually traps a person, getting them from day
one to agree to "Keeping Scientology Working" which in fact slowly builds in
the "truth" that Hubbard's path IS "THE WAY". Also, ANY other thoughts,
practices, teachings are considered "Other Practices" and are considered
"Out Ethics".
2. Scientology says they believe "Man has the inalienable right to
free speech".
C) The truth is, the higher up you go in Scientology the farther from
the truth this becomes. As you move up the pyramid, you find you certainly
are not supposed to read books or articles that Scientology doesn't want you
to read. Actually this begins right away, again with "Keeping Scientology
Working" (hereafter known as KSW).
It is considered "Out Ethics" to really speak out about anything that
might be the slightest hint of criticism to the organization.
You also are encouraged not to watch the news as "It's Entheta". Now
entheta means "enturbulated theta" meaning it upsets people. Yes, I agree
some news stations do upset people, as they are, for the most part, filled
with too much bad news, vs. a mixture of both good and bad. However, there
are certainly ways to find out the news that are not all bad.
When you go for years not tuned into what is happening in the world,
once again you just become surrounded that much more in the 'Scio/Truman
show". Remember Truman couldn't see the walls? It is exactly the same within
Scientology. Any free speech would actually help someone see the walls.
Thus, this is totally discouraged, although any Scientologist will
insist this is crazy, that they are true "Freedom of Speech Advocates". Just
ask them to discuss with you some of the classic lies and falsehoods, and
see how far you get.
3. "Ethics"---- Scientology promotes to its members that Hubbard
figured out these great tools to help someone be more ethical.
C) In Scientology people are routinely practicing deception, fraud,
lies, and on staff and in WISE, people become slaves to a system where they
have no recourse. Towards the last 10 years of being "in", my fellow OT 7's
and I would commonly speak of:
a) Never lend a Scientologist money as they rarely if ever pay it
back.
B) Never work for a WISE organization, as they are basically slave
drivers, only interested in their own welfare.
C) Try to stay away from most of the registrars (people fund raising,
asking for donations) as they are just milking us over and over.
d) Buy books, study up, learn for yourself. There are other solutions
to problems you have, and they only cost $20.00 at Barnes and Noble.
e) The Executives in Scientology (who speak at the events) sound like
robots, and whoever is putting on these events lie over and over.
Ethics? Ha! Who do you think you are fooling?
4. Spiritual Freedom: Much has been written about this, however in
essence Scientology says if you do "The Bridge to Total Freedom" you will
("There's a good chance you can and will.") achieve total freedom.
One cannot-is not allowed-to discuss your spiritual 'case' with
anyone, except those running the Scio/Truman show. If you do, once again, it's
"Out Ethics" and they have their ways of stopping you.
I found the more I did, the higher I went 'up the Bridge' the less
free I became. I was more introverted, more worried and stressed, constantly
feeling guilty and secretly bad as I wasn't this or that.
Scientology always has an answer to everything, to bring one back to
the fold, as does any good totalitarian group. With this, highly trained
auditors (Counselors) will explain. Here are a few for me:
A) "Tory wasn't set up correctly"
Fact: I have over 50 folders of auditing (The average OT had around
20-30), I had tons of Set ups for each level, and continuous Security
Checking for 7 years.
B) "Tory had Misunderstood words".
Fact: So? Did I honestly leave a group I've been a part of for 30
years because I didn't understand some words? Also, I had TONS, and TONS,
hours and hours of "Word Clearing" On OT 7, as did all of the people on OT 7
at the time, so it wasn't the words, nor was it
"Golden Age of....<Crap>"---that is some bogus re-write of 'the tech"
and if you don't believe me, go
LOOK at the new "OT's" and the empty orgs!
C) "She had missed withholds (secret lies)"
Fact: Again, on OT 7 (which I was on for 7 years) I was continuously
Security Checked to supposedly Clean up any and all withholds. I was a Flag
Trained and Internet Security Checker who believed in telling all so you do
not impede your road to Freedom. (Ha! I can hardly believe what I thought
and what I know today, two years later).
I didn't hide things from people. In fact, I wrote up to RTC
continuously that I wasn't winning on OT 7, it didn't work, I thought I
needed to do KTC/LOC, and I was auditing over a HUGE Present Time Problem.
Hubbard emphatically states a person WILL NOT get "Case Gain" if they try to
audit over such a problem. No one, not one person, cared or listened to me.
D) "Tory was/is "PTS" (a Potential trouble Source.)
Fact: Anyone with a family member who is the slightest bit critical of
Scientology is considered "PTS". This is handled in "Ethics" and one either
handled the person, or they have to disconnect. The truth is if you begin to
look and read and think, You are considered PTS.
OSA may also try to throw in the physical condition I have. Just for
the record, the ENTIRE technical team of the Flag Land Base was
crammed/corrected on this anti-medication crap Scientologists run on people,
Also, the Senior Tech Terminals decided it was fine that I take the
medication, and my Dr. (Ron's Dr.) said, "It isn't a mind altering drug".
The Senior C/S of Tech at the time wrote a Snr C/S Bulletin saying, "If a
person has tried to get off of their medication and their Doctor has decided
they NEED To stay on it, that is to be allowed". (I'm the first example they
gave in this)
E) "Tory is an SP".
Fact: Really? I was one of their 'Golden Girls" for 30 years, (in What
is Scientology" still) and suddenly it is found that I am really an SP?
Think for yourself. I'm
IN "What is Scientology", for goodness sakes! Think about it.......
Oh that's right, you can't! Well, that's why I'm an SP, and proud of
it, by the way.
5. Scientology promotes Sanity. If again you do "The Bridge to Total
Freedom" or of course join staff and help others do this, you will become
saner.
C) The truth is Scientology by the nature of its 'tech' makes one more
delusional. This is next to impossible for people "in" Scientology to face,
but most of us out agree it is true. Certainly people who have studied Cults
agree this IS a fact, and Scientology is one of the worst in this area. You
are encouraged constantly to see your imagination the same as reality. In
session, anything you can dream up as "true" suddenly becomes fact.
If in session you "See" yourself as Cleopatra, Jesus, Julius Caesar,
famous artists, Shakespeare, Patton and other warriors, Leaders of all
kinds, Celebrities of all kinds, and 'past life" people of all kinds, this
becomes "Fact" for you, and your auditor.
6.) Scientology says, "Think for yourself".
C) In Scientology one is constantly, from day one, first thing you
read (KSW) taught to ask "What do your materials State". One is taught never
to give out what has been labeled "Verbal Tech". This is actually a "High
Crime", so one MUST refer only to "Source".
Also, within Scientology Doubt is considered a lower condition.
Thinking is actually labeled on one of Hubbard's Charts as quite low. In
Scientology the highest you can do is "Know". "Knowingness" is promoted as a
high state, "Thinkingness" is at the bottom.
It takes years to realize this "Knowingness" is only valued amongst
your seniors if you are doing what they want. If not, there are other
scales, and 'tech' to prove you and your knowingness to be absolutely wrong.
7. Scientology promotes "The Way to Happiness".
C) This is a small book that they sell to local Doctors and
businessmen, for hugs amounts of money, telling THEM they need to 'help
their community'. Many of these principles Scientology actually violates
greatly. Just a few examples are:
1. "Safeguard and improve your environment" While at Flag (their
highest place to go for services) bottles and cans are pitched into the
garbage daily, by the ton.
I asked their Public Relations person to try to get in recycling. They
had no time or interest in this.
Trees... many large businesses have now begun using thinner paper, or
less paper, as well as using recycled paper. Scientology still uses tons and
tons of high gloss, heavy paper with no care for the trees they destroy
daily. They also send out tons and tons of junk mail to public who are in
fact wrong public for them.
2. "Seek to live with the truth".
C) See Barefaced Messiah for facts about Hubbard lying daily.
Scientology, of course, puts down this book like it's utter trash. Of course
they do! IF you read it,
I doubt you'd cough up one more dime to them. Certainly, you'd at
least want to learn more.
Type in "L. Ron Hubbard" in Google and read ALL of it, and make up
your own mind. You'll never hear Scientology actually say that. They'll say,
"Read everything" however it is only ~their~ suggestions, and in fact their
orders, which will be the ONLY books they approve of you reading.
Think about that one: I don't care if you read their side, my side,
other people's sides and facts. The facts are there now for you to make up
your own mind. That is something Scientology has to stop at all costs. If
people knew all the facts, most would not stay "In" Scientology!
Also, it says, "Do not tell harmful lies". No where does it say, "Do
not lie".
Witness OSA here lying and justifying it, saying it is OK as they are
"Handling SP's". That's because, to them, it IS perfectly ok to lie if it
forwards their means, per Hubbard's tech, as most of you know.
Scientologists are actually taught to lie in "Ethics" using "The
Acceptable Truth" which is a phrase used to deceive people, supposedly not
lying. Exp: My mother was worried about me being in Scientology, and
actually was trying to get me to see they were lying to me, and she wanted
me to get a "real job and move on with your ".
In Ethics, I was told to use this. "Just tell her you are working with
your friends" in the day vs. Being on course all day, which in fact I was.
This began years and years of more deception.
Also, people lie to themselves about their "wins", trying to meet the
group approval.
Yes, they will have a temporary win, however when it dwindles, they
leave that out even to themselves. You don't even try to do this; it's set
up as an automatic screening device.
This could be a series in it self. There are many more examples. More
will follow.
8. Scientology promotes honesty and integrity.
C) Again, see above re honesty. I found myself and other Scientologist
to think we were 'the most honest people on the planet', however within
Scientology one often sees dishonesty occurring in many different ways. Some
examples are:
1. The tech is supposed to be totally standard, yet it is altered
constantly, depending on who was using it.
2. Scientology says it teaches honesty and integrity, yet
Scientologists are required to attest "Officially" to state after state that
turns out to be temporary at best. Scientologists are in a constant state of
guilt and anxiety about the states you have attested to, yet you know you
really have not attained what it says. This is so huge, that literally the C
of S removed the "EP's" (Supposed End Phenomena") from their printed "Bridge
to Total Freedom". People I knew, myself included, got worse and worse re
this the higher up we went.
There is also a HUGE expectancy from the rest of your group re these
supposed states you have attested to, and what people think you can do.
Since you really cannot do them, or at best some, (but often none)...again
one is left with huge secrets, falsehoods, and self-deception.
9. Scientology promotes "Stop Looking, we have all the answers" in one
of their Dianetic ads.
C) Looking is stated as one of the highest states of awareness on
Hubbard's Scale called, "Know to Mystery".
10. In Scientology's Communication Course one is taught "TR 0" teaches
you to confront, face up to anything and be able to comfortable BE in
another's space.
This is actually quite tricky, as it sounds SO good. It IS good, if
one could do what you want, after first being.
C) One in Scientology is constantly taught to refer to Source for what
you know and do.
Thus everything one faces/confronts is filtered through "The Tech" of
Hubbard.
You always have to "Do what Ron Says", regardless of what you may
perceive. Ron does say, "If it isn't true for you, it isn't true" which was
a huge trap in itself that kept me there. Only after years of people
enforcing things that were not true for me did I begin to wake up.
Actually perception has nothing to do with TR0: you are supposed to
"Do nothing but be", which is fine.
Ok, you are, but that stops at DO. You are totally distrusted with
what you might do on your own, without referring to the authority: RON. You
can BE but you cannot DO. You have to DO what I say.
11. Scientology teaches it makes "The Able more Able".
C) The tragedy of Scientology is it actually makes the able less able,
in a slow, methodical, tyrannical way. This philosophy is supposed to make
you a bigger being, more able, more capable. Through the constant usage of
'the tech' you find you've become actually less able, more introverted,
seriously guilty constantly and really a servant and a slave to Hubbard and
his delusions.
If you doubt this, go talk to the former "OT's" who left Scientology,
most of Hubbard's staff who have long since left years ago, All of the
original Class 12's who are now out, and Many Executives who helped form
Scientology and are now out.
If you cannot do this, I rest my case.
12. Scientology promotes their system of justice as the most efficient
and helpful to mankind.
C) In fact, Scientology's justice system again only works when the
Convening authority (The high ranking accuser) in Scientology agree with the
findings and recommendations. Their justice is actually the opposite of
justice. In most cases, you are just found guilty, once the 'authorities'
make up their mind. In normal justice the Judge is a different person than
the accuser. In Scientology the Accuser is also the Judge.
I actually asked for a "Committee of Evidence" in a WISE company,
Survival Strategies. They brought in Dan Owen, who told me "Anything I send
up to RTC will go through. I am thought of as KhaKan (He supposedly has
immunity to Scientology prosecution-he can do anything he wants)."
He TOTALLY altered what is supposed to be a standard Committee of
Evidence, would not even let me speak, and found me guilty of everything I
didn't do. I wrote up exactly what Hubbard said to be the way to do these,
and how they had done the opposite. No one cared, not at Survival
Strategies, nor at WISE, who is supposed to be the senior, convening
authority. They never even wrote me back.
Scientology also has their own secret Police ("The Office of Special
Affairs") who practice Fair Game on anyone who leaves and speaks out. They
consider this fine, as to them these people are "bad". However, in true
justice, one should be allowed to speak your mind without harm. At the very
least you should be able to represent your case in a true court of law.
However, in Scientology it is a "High Crime" to take someone to court. Also,
for people who have given them lots of money and then ask for it back, they
would give these people their money back, if they truly followed "The tech"
which says to do so.
OSA has personally tried to "Fair Game" me, within 6 months of me
leaving the "Church of Scientology. They TRIED to pin (and failed) a
criminal conviction on me for sitting in an empty, Red Santa's chair in
Clearwater, Florida (for 2 seconds). It turned out they (C of S/OSA) had
"Over 100 cameras" on us, in a 4 block area!
Justice? Go visit the KKK. You can learn a lot from history.
These are just a few of the many Contradictions within the walls of
the organization who calls themselves "The Church of Scientology."
If you have a loved one in Scientology and you wonder what to do, I
suggest you begin bringing up these very basic contradictions, and ask them
what they think.
You never know when someone just might wake up. I did, after 30 years
"in".
Love to all,
Tory/Magoo~dancing in the light~
In for 30 years ...now out for 5 Years, soon 6~
X-OT 7
X-OSA volunteer after 20 years
X-Grad 4, Flag Trained and Interned Security Checker
X-Scientology Minister
X-Executive Director of "The Scientology Parishioners League"
X-OSA Int Secret Mafia member until I realized what they were actually
doing
X-Sea Org (briefly)
X-Staff
X-Flag Legionnaire
X-wife of OT 8, Harold Bezazian (Ended due to me leaving, and OSA
lying to him)
am now...for thinking and speaking my mind
Declared SP (SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster )
Expelled from C of S (woooo hoooo!!!)
Free at last!
For more information, please see
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.altreligionscientology.org
Burbank, CA
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 5 years!
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a 'suppressive person' and expelled me from their so called 'church'
Free at LAST!
http://www.xenu.net, www.xenutv.com
http://www.torymagoo.org, www.altreligionscientology.net
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm
"Those that give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
mag...@charter.net
Burbank, CA
(818) 841-3632
Simkatu
Magoo wrote:
> I've been trying to post this, and for some reason, it won't
> post. IF by chance it does finally post (more than once), I'm
> sorry for that. Due to it not posting for over a half hour, I've
> tried again to post it. Here ya go:
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> "Magoo" mag...@charter.net
> CONTRADICTIONS
> 11 Jan 2003
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Thanks for reposting your story Tory. I missed it the first time you
posted it, so it was neat to get a chance to read it again.
FYI- You tried to attach 4 or 5 pictures to your post. When you post
pictures (which are a type of binary file) to a non-binary group, you
risk a number of things happening. For one, Lightlink's internet
servers won't accept your posts, so everyone that reads ARS through
lightlink will miss this post. Secondly, for people that read your
posts in Google, they see a big long string of nonsense data, like you
see above.
The solution is to post your pictures to the newsgroup a.r.s.binaries
-- or remove the pictures from your post.
Anyhoo -- keep up the good work.
--
Simkatu
Doug Johnson
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
> If in session you "See" yourself as Cleopatra, Jesus, Julius Caesar,
>famous artists, Shakespeare, Patton and other warriors, Leaders of all
>kinds, Celebrities of all kinds, and 'past life" people of all kinds, this
>becomes "Fact" for you, and your auditor.
I particularly like the story I was told
of the nutcase from Florida who claimed
that he was the biological father of
Christ. Seems he was jacking off in a
river where Mary and a few friends were
bathing, and his sperm swam downstream
and impregnated her. Apparently he
believed it enough to satisfy the
E-meter, so it became his truth for
Scientology.
Think about the security that the
auditor practiced that allowed me to
hear this story. He made the mistake of
getting out ethics, and I heard this
story from OSA. Don't know whether it
says more about him or the church.
Doug Johnson
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Great Post Tory!
If the Sea Org and DM collapses into worst case scenario legal losses,
I think the group's beaten down wiser older timers who are inside and
outside the Sea Org would variously step up and either decide to put
together a new management structure amidst the ashes, or they'd let
things turn into what the freezone/independent movement already has.
The Sea Org writings of LRH are similar to the public tech writings,
they draw one in step by step, rules keep one from rejecting any piece
of it, as one is branded as "off source."
Scn is here to snare people and people's only hope is NOT to lose their
ability to say NO to LRH ideas they feel are wrong.
I still recall my first calls to you, and Arnie and Gerry, it was such
a breath of fresh air to be able to speak freely about the faults in
LRH and Scientology!
Thanks Tory!
Chuck Beatty
412-260-1170