Cooper's Activity Reports
Diane Richardson
As part of her employment as an independent contractor for private
investigator Richard Bast, Paulette Cooper submitted reports of
activities in which she engaged as part of her work for him.
I have scanned and OCRed the reports below. They were part of
the exhibits submitted in Cooper's lawsuit against the Church of
Scientology of Boston, Inc. filed in the Federal District Court for
the District of Massachusetts.
Note: I presume the "C" appearing at the beginning of many
entries represents "called". Cooper recorded many of her
telephone conversations with others and provided
the tapes of these telephone calls to Bast. Several hours of
the Bast tapes are Cooper's playing of these tapes she
recorded from her home for Bast, accompanied by her explanations
of the people involved and their activities.
My remarks are included in square brackets.
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Tuesday the 19th:. morning, met Stephanie Meagher at
10:30 re Prime Time expose of Scientology schools
Flew to Washington met DB [Dick Bast]
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Washington
Wednesday 20th: interviewed MD re Guardian's Office
interviewed John McClean re Scientology money running
Gene Methvin called re getting documentation for
Readers Digest
Found Security checks & documents for Dave and D. B.
[Dave Williams, the young man hired to "infiltrate" the
Washington, D.C. Org, and Dick Bast]
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Thursday 21st: Spoke to Carol Williams re English Sci
situation
Spoke to R. Cicero re Grand Jury, NY.
[Russ Cicero, FBI agent assigned to Scientology[tm]
investigation and personal friend of Cooper.]
Spoke to Bob Lyons re court paper
[Clerk of Courts for U.S. District Court for the District
of D.C. -- the one who later received the gift of Chivas
Regal.]
Spoke to agent re book and movie on Scientology
Spoke to Judy Richheimer re story on P.C. she's doing
for Media People magazine
London Guardian (Dave Beresford) called twice re
Scientology's claim that documents are forgeries.
Spoke to DB re coming there
Afternoon: interviewed by Judy Richheimer on story for
Media people (from about 3-7)
Called John Seffern re Washington arrival
Pat Shellenberger called re Detroit News expose of
Narcanon and problems Scientology causing. Gave
list of Narcanon people and checked them against
Scientologists.
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Friday: 22nd Feb/80: Met with NBC at court and went
through document to find names of Scientology schools
and Scientologists running it.
Lunch with Washington Post, Washington Star &
AP court reporters
Friday late afternoon
met with Banoun }
met with Heatherton } Assis U.S. attorneys
met with Tabakman }
[these are Assistant U.S. attorneys prosecuting
the Operation Snow White criminal case against
Mary Sue Hubbard et al. in U.S. District Court,
Federal District of D.C.]
Called Flynn re Florida attorney general indicts
Called Nan re document freeze.
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Saturday/Sunday 23-24 Met with DB & Seffern
Spoke to Jane Dennis Smith (2 h) re Readers Digest
[Jane Dennis Smith was a researcher working on
Gene Methvin's Reader's Digest story on the cult.]
Sunday night: called Nan re Washington
Called Ann Rosenblum re raising money for
documents
[Anne Rosenblum, an ex-Scientologist[tm] whose
story regarding her RPF experience has appeared on
a.r.s.]
Called Henrietta Crampton, anti-cult group
leader re money for documents
Monday the 25th: Spoke to Flynn re raising money
for documents
Arranged Washington hotel
Spoke to Ann re Henry giving money for documents
Spoke to Kevin Flanagan re recently deprogrammed
son from Scientology and his friend from Flag and
arranged dinner for Saturday night.
Spoke to Gene Methvin re finding documents he
needs for research
Looked for Methvin's documents
Went through Washington documents to avoid
duplication
Spoke to Judi Richheimer re story on P.C. for
Media People
Looked for documents for Judi
Read 3 books on Sci provided by DB
Spoke to Flynn re raising money for documents
Tuesday Feb 26th: Reviewed Washington Documents
(NOTE: At the end of viewing the documents, I
will provide list of documents reviewed as well
as relevant ones to you.)
Lunch with Nathan Dodell, Assistant U.S. Attorney
fighting Scientology in civil court for 12 years
4 o'clock: met with Tabakman re finding stolen
documents in Scientology's newest publications
which were provided by Fred & D.B.
Evening: meet with Nan McLean to discuss which
documents she should look for.
Wednesday: Feb 27, 1980 Reviewed Washington
documents
Met with Tabakman re stolen documents in
Scientology publications and who mysterious
visitor to files were
Met with D.B. Fred & Dave to discuss Sci
Thursday: Feb 28, 1980 Returned home (read half the
documents collected in Washington and outlined)
called 60 minutes re when program would run
called Jim Siegelman & Flo Conway, major
anti-cultists to find out what they were doing
Spoke to Nan re mysterious investigators in
files
Prepared expense account
Prepared new worksheet
Found documents for Readers Digest
Friday Feb 29th: Called Court re when documents
available
Called Holiday Inn for messages
Spoke to Stephanie Meagher 2x re progress on NBC
Prime Time
Researcher for Prime Time (Cynthia) called and read
long list of new people found connected to another
secret Scientology project. Recognized I name (AB)
Called A.B. to find out what she knew about secret
Scientology school
Pat Shellenberger called to thank for help on Detroit
News expose and to inform me that Narcanon's fund-
ing had been permanently cut off
Called Russ Cicero to find out what was happening on
case
Feb 29th continued: Called Bob Line court clerk to
arrange next week documents and find out who men in
court were
[Apparently Bob Lyons, Clerk of Courts in D.C.]
Called D.B. to report findings on men in court
Called John Seffern re Dave
Received call from father of highly placed
Scientologist
Called D.B. to inform results of above call
Prepared report on Narcanon Michigan article
Prepared report on Readers Digest
Prepared report on Media People
Prepared report on 60 minutes
Prepared report on Christianity Today
Prepared Report on Prime Time (NBC)
Found Tichburn article for NBC Prime Time &
mailed
Found Hirschopf article for reporters, Russ
Cicero & U.S. attorneys
Saturday; March 1st: Located 18 points sued in
"Scandal of Scientology" for Judy Richheimer of
Media People
Mailed list of Scientology religious leaders
to Jerry Renner of Religious News Service
Saturday March Ist
C Joey Flanagan (deprogrammer) re dinner Sunday
[Flanagan was a Boston deprogrammer and a close
personal friend of Cooper. ]
pick up photocopy of clips for Cole (deprogrammer)
& Casares (mayor)
Buy batteries
Speak to Lev (deprogrammer) re Galen Kelly
Speak to Tom S (recently deprogrammed from Flag).
Photocopy Hirschkopf clip for Banoun
[Raymond Banoun, Assistant U.S. Attorney and chief
prosecutor in the Operation Snow White case.]
Photocopy Hirschopf clip for Tabakman
[Hirschkopf was a defense attorney for Mary Sue
Hubbard and the other defendants in the Operation
Snow White case, then underway.]
Photocopy Hirschopf clip for Judy Heatherton
Photocpy Hirschop clip for Judge Richey
Photocopy Hirschopf clip for Laurie Kiearnen (Wash Post)
Photocopy Hirschop clip for Ken Walker (Washington Star)
Put papers together for Readers Digest research department
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Sunday March 2
Speak to Judi R re Media People story
Put together documents for Media People
C. Washington Hilton re room
C. DB re reservation
Dinner with Joey & Lev (deprogrammers) and
Tom (recently deprogrammed)
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Monday March 3rd
Spent all day on Washington documents
Speak to Judi Heatherton
C Time magazine re story
C Ann R re possible new Grand Jury witness
C Sandra Sachs re deprogramming
Evening: met with DB
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Tuesday March 4th
Spent all day on Washington documents
Speak to Tabakman re new doc found for brief
Lunch Dodell (re E-meter illegalities)
C Maxine Cheshire re Kennedy's Scientology
mistress
C Ann (re Maxine Cheshire)
C Methvin, Readers Digest're interview with
Scientologists that day
Evening: meet with Joey, Tom, Levman and
Nan McClean
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Wednesday March 5th
Spent all day with Washington documents
Speak to Tabakman re new documents
Speak to judge's clerk re Hirschopf clip
C Maxine Cheshire
Obtain 2 orders for recusal of judge
Go through listings of papers filed on Sci court case
C Bob Rawitch re story on Larry Tapper based on
documents PC found in Washington the previous week.
C Morris D (former Sci) re discussions with Ossman,
investigator for Florida Attorney General's office.
Thursday, March 6th
Spent all day with Washington documents
C Allan Maraynes, 60 minutes producer to find out if
program on this week
Spoke to Banoun, Heatherton, Tabakman, Larry Margarak
(AP), Laurie Kierrnen and Ken Walker re 60 minutes
C Maxine Cheshire
Lunch with Phil Conolly of the DEA
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Friday 7th of March
Spent all day with Washington documents
Lunch with Tim Robinson, Washington Post legal
reporter & Larry Margarak (AP legal reporter)
Meet with Nan for instructions on work next week
C Maxine Cheshire
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Saturday 8th of March
Lunch with Gene Methvin in N.Y. re Readers Digest
story
C John Seffern
C DB
C Fred
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Sunday, March 9th
C OBNO
Lee Cole called
EE called (father of former Scientologist)
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Monday March 10th:
Put together Washington documents for:
National Security Agency
Las Vegas Review Journal
Chicago Daily News
Denver Post
San Franctsco Chronicle
Miami Herald
Washington Post
Reporters Committee for Freedom
of the Press
American Psychiatric Association
Boston Globe
Detroit News
D.B. friend
Dr. Roy Wallis
Public Broadcast System
Judi Richheimer
60 minutes addition
Sacramento Bee
Religious News Service
Christianity Today
Monday March 10th cont.
Delivered Answering service to be fixed
Delivered documents mentioned above to photocopy place
Picked up documents for PK deprogramming
C New York Times (Taubman) re story on Scientology
C Luce clipping service re bill
C Cynthia NBC Prime Time
C Lee Cole re anti-cult group that may be Scientology
forgery
C. Russ
Paul Engel (anti-cultist) visits
C Maxine Cheshire
C Sylvana (recently defected Scientologist)
[Sylvana Garritano, a former CMO messenger.]
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Tuesday: March 11th
Speak to TS (private investigator)
[Tom Spinelle, a private investigator.]
Go to AP to search for photograph for private
investigator
Choose documents for basic package
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Wednesday 12th
Bring in documents for basic package
Speak to Nan McLean
Put together documents for basic package
P.U. [pick up?] Photocopies (not ready)
John Seffern called
C United Artists re anti-cult film
Put together Expenses for DB
Put together Weekly Report for DB
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Thursday 13th of March
Go to United Artists, visit, and get film
C Readers Digest re international edition
Buy N.Y. Post and go over Helga Wagner story
C Maxine Cheshire
C Cy Egan NY Post re story
Type up expenses
Type up work sheet
Put together final pack of worst documents
Send above to Taubman, New York Times
Send letter to Judi R, Media People
C Amtrak re reservations
C DB re trip
C Nan re documents
C 60 minutes re program
60 minutes to do 18 minute segment on Scientology
focusing primarily on their take-over of the Florida town
of Clearwater. Likely people to be on are Paulette Cooper,
Gabe Cazares (former mayor of Clearwater) possibly Bill
Snyder (Clearwater radio announcer) Raymond Banoun
(government prosecutor against Scientology.) The announcer
will be Mike Wallace, the producer is Allan Moraynes,
researcher is Gayle Eisen.
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Prime Time (NBC's competitive newsmagazine program with
Tom Snyder) was to air a segment February 16th promoting the
Institute for the Achievement of Human Potential, a school that
uses unique training methods. They called P.C. Monday the 11th
because they learned that one of the people involved was a
Scientologist and the school was using L. Ron Hubbard's books.
We put them in touch with several people, two of whom were able
to provide sufficient information of Scientology connection to
probably cancel the segment this Saturday; convinced them that if
they would wait until 60 minutes was over we would give them full
assistance so they could produce dynamite Scientology expose.
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The Scientologists contacted WBZ, a Boston NBC station to put them
on the air. Program agreed but began sniffing around and found out
Scientology had bad reputation. They spoke to Michael Flynn, Boston
attorney who agreed to go on against them. When Scientology learned,
they backed out and Flynn went an alone, attacking Scientology.
Program to be aired Sunday morning, February 17, 1980
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Readers Digest, with 17 million circulation currently completing
article on Scientology, tentatively titled (will be changed)
"Scientology: Anatomy of a Dangerous Cult." Story written
by Eugene Methvin of McLean Virginia and will run around May
or June.
------------------------------
Time magazine reporter Evan Thomas was doing preliminary
research for a major expose on Scientology. Temporary hold
put on article for fear of legal repercussions but article will
probably still run in near future.
--------------------------
Public Broadcast System will begin filming a documentary special
on Scientology in February or March. The company producing the
film is Image Audio, the producer is Leslie Shatz and the researcher
i!i Susan Emmanual. At the moment, they plan to treat the subject
from the "constitutional" angle, in other words, sympathetic to
Scientology's claim of harassment by the government. However, will
be feeding information and meeting with them that will at worst
balance the picture, and at best, turn into a full expose.
(2)
Jerry Renner of Religious News Service (a syndicated newspaper
service that goes primarily to religious type newspapers in America)
contacted P.C. Monday the 11th concerning a possible expose in
the future of Scientology. Promised full cooperation.
---------------------------
Ed Plowman of Christianity Today (a magazine that goes to religious
people with a circulation of about 200,000) would like to do an
expose on Scientology and/or a story about their harassment of P.C.
Promised full cooperation and will meet with him in Washington.
-----------------------------
Have been trying to get the New York Times to do something, but
the person they assigned the story to (Nat Sheppard Jr.) has been
sitting on the story doing nothing. Went to Victor Briggs, religion
reporter, who said he might be interested in doing it just from
the angle of what they did to New York author P.C. Evan Thomas of
Time magazine has a friend there and said he would speak to them
for P.C. about a major expose. (Also contacted John Crewsden,
another investigative reporter but he wasn't interested.)
----------------------------
Connie Brooke, a reporter for American Lawyer interviewed P.C.
re a full expose of Scientology's harassing legal tactics. The
story has a temporary hold on it, probably because of nervousness
about Scientology's litigiousness.
-----------------
PC plans to contact Tom Snyder's Tomorrow show (her contact
there, Debbie Vicar) after 60 minutes to see if they will put her on
for an hour to expose Scientology.
------------------
Judy Richheimer, a freelance writer was assigned by Media People
to do a story on Paulette Cooper
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PC currently working with Clearwater Sun to do expose on Hubbard's
secret son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. Am continuing to work on this.
------------------------
The BBC in London is doing an expose on Scientology/Narcanon and
will continue to follow this up. Also, Paul Burt of BBC radio
contacted PC re a radio interview in the future.
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Pierce Ackerman of Australian News Limited contacted P.C. re
story of Scientology's relation to other cults and general dirty
tricks. Will be meeting with him shortly concerning this.
----------------------
Carol Hemingway of KABC radio in Los Angeles interviewed PC re
Scientology documents but their legal department got scared. They
may redo the interview in the future.
-------------------
Virginia Culver of the Denver Post considering an expose of the
mysterious death of the daughter of a Denver man in Scientology
(the "Meister case.")
---------------------
Sherman Fredericks of Las Vegas Review Journal is interested in
doing an expose on Scientology but is waiting for a news angle.
Story will probably appear in the future.
---------------------------------------
Howie Carr of the Boston Herald American has been given
documents concerning attempts to rob the Boston DA's office
and is waiting for an overall news angle.
----------------------
Paul Langley (not the correct spelling of his name) and Jim Franklin
of the Boston Globe are interested in doing something to expose
Scientology but are waiting for a news angle.
----------------------
Pat Shellenberger of the Detroit Daily News has written an article
exposing Narcanon as a Scientology front organization and is
continuing to do exposes in his area. His next story, next week,
will probably be about Narcanon's selling certificates to prisoners.
--------------------------
American Family Foundation has asked PC to do a series of
brief articles (for no pay) for their newsletter and she has agreed.
The American Family Foundation is an anti-cult group.
-----------------------
PC considering contacting Mother Jones, a magazine with wide cir-
culation among college kids to assign her an expose of Scientology's
relation to other cults since they have been interested in this
area in the past.
-----------------------------
Book proposal by P.C. "CULT: THE SHOCKING STORY OF
SCIENTOLOGY" currently at all major paperback houses, and
Cooper following up tip that another anti-scientology book will
be coming out in about six months.
Ron Newman
In article <55t2id$4...@clark.zippo.com>, ref...@bway.net says...
>Spoke to Judy Richheimer re story on P.C. she's doing
>for Media People magazine
I'm not familiar with this magazine. Does anyone know if this
article was published? (Media People did not turn up in any
of my library searches on the subject of Scientology)
>called Jim Siegelman & Flo Conway, major
>anti-cultists to find out what they were doing
They had already written "Snapping" by this time.
A couple years later (January 1982), they published an article in
Science Digest entitled "Information Disease". Their work is
controversial in the anti-cult community (Jeff Jacobsen may want
to say something here ;-)
>60 minutes to do 18 minute segment on Scientology
>focusing primarily on their take-over of the Florida town
>of Clearwater. Likely people to be on are Paulette Cooper,
>Gabe Cazares (former mayor of Clearwater) possibly Bill
>Snyder (Clearwater radio announcer) Raymond Banoun
>(government prosecutor against Scientology.) The announcer
>will be Mike Wallace, the producer is Allan Moraynes,
>researcher is Gayle Eisen.
>called 60 minutes re when program would run
The "60 Minutes" piece ran on April 13, 1980. If anyone
has a transcript, I'd love to see it posted.
>Prime Time (NBC's competitive newsmagazine program with
>Tom Snyder) was to air a segment February 16th promoting the
>Institute for the Achievement of Human Potential, a school that
>uses unique training methods. They called P.C. Monday the 11th
>because they learned that one of the people involved was a
>Scientologist and the school was using L. Ron Hubbard's books.
>We put them in touch with several people, two of whom were able
>to provide sufficient information of Scientology connection to
>probably cancel the segment this Saturday; convinced them that if
>they would wait until 60 minutes was over we would give them full
>assistance so they could produce dynamite Scientology expose.
Anyone know if this actually ran? If so, I'd love to see a transcript.
>The Scientologists contacted WBZ, a Boston NBC station to put them
>on the air. Program agreed but began sniffing around and found out
>Scientology had bad reputation. They spoke to Michael Flynn, Boston
>attorney who agreed to go on against them. When Scientology learned,
>they backed out and Flynn went an alone, attacking Scientology.
>Program to be aired Sunday morning, February 17, 1980
I'm going to call WBZ soon and see if they still have a tape of this.
>Readers Digest, with 17 million circulation currently completing
>article on Scientology, tentatively titled (will be changed)
>"Scientology: Anatomy of a Dangerous Cult." Story written
>by Eugene Methvin of McLean Virginia and will run around May
>or June.
The article ran in the May 1980 issue. The actual title was
"Scientology: Anatomy of a Frightening Cult".
You can read it on my web site at
http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/media/rd-5.80
Methvin wrote a followup entitled "Scientology: The Sickness Spreads",
for the September 1981 of _Readers Digest_. It is at
http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/media/rd-9.81
>Time magazine reporter Evan Thomas was doing preliminary
>research for a major expose on Scientology. Temporary hold
>put on article for fear of legal repercussions but article will
>probably still run in near future.
Looks like it either didn't happen or the research was for the
very long term. I don't see any articles in Time about Scientology
between 7/25/77 and 1/31/83.
>Public Broadcast System will begin filming a documentary special
>on Scientology in February or March. The company producing the
>film is Image Audio, the producer is Leslie Shatz and the researcher
>i!i Susan Emmanual. At the moment, they plan to treat the subject
>from the "constitutional" angle, in other words, sympathetic to
>Scientology's claim of harassment by the government. However, will
>be feeding information and meeting with them that will at worst
>balance the picture, and at best, turn into a full expose.
Anyone know if this ran? I'd love to see a tape or transcript.
> Jerry Renner of Religious News Service (a syndicated newspaper
> service that goes primarily to religious type newspapers in America)
> contacted P.C. Monday the 11th concerning a possible expose in
> the future of Scientology. Promised full cooperation.
Anyone know if this ever ran?
> Ed Plowman of Christianity Today (a magazine that goes to religious
> people with a circulation of about 200,000) would like to do an
> expose on Scientology and/or a story about their harassment of P.C.
> Promised full cooperation and will meet with him in Washington.
Christianity Today has written often about Scientology, but I found
only three short pieces unrelated to Cooper in 1980.
> Have been trying to get the New York Times to do something, but
> the person they assigned the story to (Nat Sheppard Jr.) has been
> sitting on the story doing nothing. Went to Victor Briggs, religion
> reporter, who said he might be interested in doing it just from
> the angle of what they did to New York author P.C. Evan Thomas of
> Time magazine has a friend there and said he would speak to them
> for P.C. about a major expose. (Also contacted John Crewsden,
> another investigative reporter but he wasn't interested.)
I found no articles in the NY Times about Cooper in 1980, but
did find some on 4/1/72 (p 21), 1/22/79 (p 14), 11/24/79 (p 6),
and 3/10/81 (section II, page 8).
> Connie Brooke, a reporter for American Lawyer interviewed P.C.
> re a full expose of Scientology's harassing legal tactics. The
> story has a temporary hold on it, probably because of nervousness
> about Scientology's litigiousness.
This article ran as "Scientology's War Against Judges", by
James B. Stewart, in the December 1980 issue of _American Lawyer_.
(Stewart recently wrote the best-selling book "Blood Sport", about
Whitewater.) You'll find some information about Bast in this
article. See
http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/media/amlawyer-12.80
>PC plans to contact Tom Snyder's Tomorrow show (her contact
>there, Debbie Vicar) after 60 minutes to see if they will put her on
>for an hour to expose Scientology.
Anyone know if this happened?
> PC currently working with Clearwater Sun to do expose on Hubbard's
> secret son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. Am continuing to work on this.
The Sun wrote a lot of stuff about Scientology; I'd love to go through
their archive. I haven't seen any of their stuff posted to the Net;
maybe someone in Florida can help?
> The BBC in London is doing an expose on Scientology/Narcanon and
> will continue to follow this up. Also, Paul Burt of BBC radio
> contacted PC re a radio interview in the future.
Once again, would appreciate knowing if any actual broadcast resulted.
>Pierce Ackerman of Australian News Limited contacted P.C. re
>story of Scientology's relation to other cults and general dirty
>tricks. Will be meeting with him shortly concerning this.
ditto
> Virginia Culver of the Denver Post considering an expose of the
> mysterious death of the daughter of a Denver man in Scientology
> (the "Meister case.")
ditto - can anyone in Denver check the Post archives for 1980?
> Sherman Fredericks of Las Vegas Review Journal is interested in
> doing an expose on Scientology but is waiting for a news angle.
> Story will probably appear in the future.
ditto - Ted Mayett, can you find out if this ran?
>Howie Carr of the Boston Herald American has been given
>documents concerning attempts to rob the Boston DA's office
Howie Carr is a first-class jerk, but maybe I'll swallow my pride
and give him a call anyway. He probably won't remember any more
what he did 16 years ago, when he was actually a real journalist
instead of a right-wing raver.
> Paul Langley (not the correct spelling of his name) and Jim Franklin
> of the Boston Globe are interested in doing something to expose
> Scientology but are waiting for a news angle.
It would have been Paul *Langner* at the Boston Globe. He wrote
a story about LaVenda Van Schaick in the 12/15/79 issue, which I
may post later. The Globe carried a lot of short pieces about
Scientology in 1980, but nothing that I'd label an "expose".
The Globe also ran a long article on March 10, 1981 about
Paulette's lawsuit against the Church. I'll try to post this
as well.
I believe that James Franklin still covers the religion beat for
the Globe, and Langner is a senior editor there.
> Pat Shellenberger of the Detroit Daily News has written an article
> exposing Narcanon as a Scientology front organization and is
> continuing to do exposes in his area. His next story, next week,
> will probably be about Narcanon's selling certificates to prisoners.
Anyone in Detroit who can help locate this article? I'd like
to see it.
> PC considering contacting Mother Jones, a magazine with wide cir-
> culation among college kids to assign her an expose of Scientology's
> relation to other cults since they have been interested in this
> area in the past.
To my knowledge, no such article ever ran, though Mother Jones did
run an article about Scientology in Russia much later (1993).
>Book proposal by P.C. "CULT: THE SHOCKING STORY OF
>SCIENTOLOGY" currently at all major paperback houses, and
>Cooper following up tip that another anti-scientology book will
>be coming out in about six months.
To my knowledge, PC's second book on Scientology
never got out of the proposal stage.
This activity log shows a *very* dedicated and
hard working woman. I'm impressed. It's just too bad that
Bastard found out about all this....
[posted and e-mailed to Paulette; maybe she can fill in some
of the blanks above]
Sister Clara
In article <55t2id$4...@clark.zippo.com>
ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:
> As part of her employment as an independent contractor for private
> investigator Richard Bast, Paulette Cooper submitted reports of
> activities in which she engaged as part of her work for him.
>
> I have scanned and OCRed the reports below. They were part of
> the exhibits submitted in Cooper's lawsuit against the Church of
> Scientology of Boston, Inc. filed in the Federal District Court for
> the District of Massachusetts.
>
> Note: I presume the "C" appearing at the beginning of many
> entries represents "called". Cooper recorded many of her
> telephone conversations with others and provided
> the tapes of these telephone calls to Bast.
Many? How many? Which ones.
Come on, Diane. The "great researcher" is not normally this vague.
> Several hours of the Bast tapes are Cooper's playing of these tapes she
> recorded from her home for Bast, accompanied by her explanations of the
> people involved and their activities.
>
> My remarks are included in square brackets.
> ========================================================
>
>
> Tuesday the 19th:. morning, met Stephanie Meagher at
> 10:30 re Prime Time expose of Scientology schools
[rest of content snipped]
So fucking what? How has this information contributed to our knowledge of
Scientology and its tactics one iota?
Hell, Diane will be posting Paulette's 1984 dietary details next.....
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Ron Newman
In article <de125...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>, Sister Clara says...
>> Tuesday the 19th:. morning, met Stephanie Meagher at
>> 10:30 re Prime Time expose of Scientology schools
>
>[rest of content snipped]
>
>So fucking what? How has this information contributed to our knowledge of
>Scientology and its tactics one iota?
Actually, this particular posting of Diane's *was* useful, as it
listed a number of media reports on Scientology during 1980 that Paulette
helped out with. Some of these are already online, and I'm hoping that
people who read this may be able to furnish information about others.
(See my other post in this thread.)
Rebecca Hartong
In article <562lg5$7...@clark.zippo.com>, ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:
>If you bother to read, rather than rant, you will see that the
>material Cath believed may have been taken from his office
>were *not* confidential psychiatric records. Rather, they were
>notes he had made to himself regarding phone calls he had
>received from Cooper -- as a *friend*, not as a *patient.*
I found the info Ron Newman posted about Paulette's past to be of a much more
personal nature than anything Cath said in the deposition. It's interesting
that no one seems to be criticizing Ron for having posted what he did. I
understand that Ron posted it because he felt that it might promote a more
sympathetic attitude towards Paulette, but I found it startlingly personal.
Rebecca Hartong
************************************************************
"One unerring mark of the love of truth is not entertaining
any proposition with greater assurance than the proofs it is
built upon will warrant." --John Locke
Bernie
ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:
>Cath had not been Cooper's psychiatrist for decades. Cooper
>and Cath continued their relationship as friends long after their
>professional relationship ended. If you'd bothered to read the
>affidavit before railing against it, Marina, you would see that this
>is made quite clear by Cath himself.
Marina? I don't know. I think Dan McKinon already made this
mistake because seaorg posted from Zippo.
---------
Bernie
There are rumors of a new virus design from the advanced
computing centre at INCOMM (they have just installed a 286
overdrive on their ZX-81) called L-10ARS which produces a
compulsion to smile at pictures of the revered founder.
(Ralph Hilton)
Sister Clara
In article <562lg5$7...@clark.zippo.com>
ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:
> sea...@super.zippo.com (seaorg) wrote:
>
> >In article <de125...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>, cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk says...
>
> >[snipped]
>
>
> >>So fucking what? How has this information contributed to our knowledge of
> >>Scientology and its tactics one iota?
> >>
> >>Hell, Diane will be posting Paulette's 1984 dietary details next.....
>
> >Well not just yet. Instead we see her post the Cath Deposition
> >(Paulette Cooper's psychiatrist); yet another "valuable aid to
> >people involved in litigation with Scientology". If Scientology
> >had posted such a document to a.r.s., I can only imagine the newsgroup's
> >response.
>
> Cath had not been Cooper's psychiatrist for decades. Cooper
> and Cath continued their relationship as friends long after their
> professional relationship ended. If you'd bothered to read the
> affidavit before railing against it, Marina, you would see that this
> is made quite clear by Cath himself.
And if you bothered to read other posts and examine evidence, Diane, you
would not be so stupid as to assume that sea...@super.zippo.com is Marina
Chong. I know Marina well enough to know that she has *never* posted to this
newsgroup under a pseudonym or anonymously.
Are *all* your assumptions based on what you perceive as evidence this
unreliable?
<rest of post snipped>
Diane Richardson
sea...@super.zippo.com (seaorg) wrote:
>In article <de125...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>, cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk says...
>[snipped]
>>So fucking what? How has this information contributed to our knowledge of
>>Scientology and its tactics one iota?
>>
>>Hell, Diane will be posting Paulette's 1984 dietary details next.....
>Well not just yet. Instead we see her post the Cath Deposition
>(Paulette Cooper's psychiatrist); yet another "valuable aid to
>people involved in litigation with Scientology". If Scientology
>had posted such a document to a.r.s., I can only imagine the newsgroup's
>response.
Cath had not been Cooper's psychiatrist for decades. Cooper
and Cath continued their relationship as friends long after their
professional relationship ended. If you'd bothered to read the
affidavit before railing against it, Marina, you would see that this
is made quite clear by Cath himself.
Nothing involving Cath's professional contact with Cooper is
divulged in this deposition. Physician/patient confidentiality is
not breached. Cath had his own attorney present during
the deposition as well as Cooper's counsel to insure that such
a breach would not occur.
If you would bother to read the complaint filed by Paulette
Cooper initiating this lawsuit against the cult, you would see
that one of the causes of action in the complaint was the cult's
alleged theft of records from the offices of Dr. Cath.
If you bother to read Cath's deposition, you will see that his
communication with Cooper was not part of any ongoing
physician/patient relationship, but rather that of a friend talking
with a friend.
If you bother to read, rather than rant, you will see that the
material Cath believed may have been taken from his office
were *not* confidential psychiatric records. Rather, they were
notes he had made to himself regarding phone calls he had
received from Cooper -- as a *friend*, not as a *patient.*
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net
seaorg
Zane Thomas
>Recognized I name (AB) Called A.B. to find out what
>she knew about secret Scientology school
Eh?
Who is AB? What secret school?
Zane
Marina Chong
On Sat, 09 Nov 1996 19:08:10 GMT ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote in
article <562lg5$7...@clark.zippo.com>:
>Cath had not been Cooper's psychiatrist for decades. Cooper
>and Cath continued their relationship as friends long after their
>professional relationship ended. If you'd bothered to read the
>affidavit before railing against it, Marina, you would see that this
>is made quite clear by Cath himself.
I see you have been reading -- and believing -- Dan McKinnon's poorly-reasoned
drivel alleging that seaorg is me.
I have already denied that in a followup to his original post, and it does look
as if I will have to respond to his subsequent 1222-line load of crap, which I
was going to ignore because I thought it would testify to its own stupidity. But
you seem to have swallowed it hook line and sinker, Diane.
If you can swallow that, *what* else can you swallow, Diane?
Do you assume that everyone posting from Zippo is me?
I post under my own name, as is well known. I do not have any reason to post
under any other name.
My opposition to your disgusting behaviour vis-a-vis Paulette Cooper is well
known. I don't hide my dislike of you or your tactics, so why should I express
that dislike by pretending to be someone else? If I wanted to abuse you
anonymously (not that seaorg's post was in any way abusive) I would use a
remailer or a chain of remailers, maybe even with PGP. I *am* competent in my
own field.
If you're going to make unwarranted assumptions like Marina=seaorg how can we
believe anything you say about Paulette Cooper or any other? What does that say
about your ability to analyse the date you collect?
M
(see [1])
p.s. For the record, I see no plausible reason for your continuing invasion of
Paulette Cooper's privacy, by posting the Cath deposition, other than your
personal animosity.
How does it give us an insight into the abuses of the Co$?
How does it help the people involved in present-day litigation?
What other crap have you swallowed hook, line and sinker?
[1] not mailed to Diane because Diane is a Super Zippo user too and will see
this soon enough. [2]
[2] Hey! Wait! Maybe *I* am Diane Richardson! Or Rebecca Hartong! Or any of the
dozen or so a.r.s. posters who have zippo accounts! [3]
[3] I am legion, all Super Zippo posters are me!
--
Marina Chong SP4(*), KoX, GGBC#13, KBM#5, Joker/Degrader
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Diane Richardson
mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Nov 1996 19:08:10 GMT ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote in
>article <562lg5$7...@clark.zippo.com>:
>>sea...@super.zippo.com (seaorg) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <de125...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>, cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk says...
>I see you have been reading -- and believing -- Dan McKinnon's poorly-reasoned
>drivel alleging that seaorg is me.
Sorry. I haven't had the time to read any poorly-reasoned drivel
lately. I must have missed the Dan McKinnon post.
>I have already denied that in a followup to his original post, and it does look
>as if I will have to respond to his subsequent 1222-line load of crap, which I
>was going to ignore because I thought it would testify to its own stupidity. But
>you seem to have swallowed it hook line and sinker, Diane.
I haven't seen any 1222-line posts from Dan McKinnon, Marina.
I've been far too busy trying to keep up with my load of scanning
documents and transcribing audiotapes to keep up with all of
the threads on a.r.s.
I didn't notice the header of the post I replied to -- from the
writing style of the post, I assumed I was reading something written
by you. You must admit that your writing style and that of "sea.org"
are quite similar.
Sorry about the mistake, Marina. It won't happen again. :)
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net
Zane Thomas
marina,
>
>If you're going to make unwarranted assumptions like Marina=seaorg how can we
>believe anything you say about Paulette Cooper or any other? What does that say
>about your ability to analyse the date you collect?
>
Heh, I'd say the answer to that question is rather obvious.
Zane
seaorg
In article <562lg5$7...@clark.zippo.com>, ref...@bway.net says...
>
>sea...@super.zippo.com (seaorg) wrote:
>
>>In article <de125...@holsoft.demon.co.uk>, cl...@holsoft.demon.co.uk
says...
>
>
>
>>>so fucking what? How has this information contributed to our knowledge of
>>>scientology and its tactics one iota?
>>>
>>>Hell, Diane will be posting Paulette's 1984 dietary details next.....
>
>>Well not just yet. Instead we see her post the Cath Deposition
>>(Paulette Cooper's psychiatrist); yet another "valuable aid to
>>people involved in litigation with Scientology". If Scientology
>>had posted such a document to a.r.s., I can only imagine the newsgroup's
>>response.
>
>Cath had not been Cooper's psychiatrist for decades. Cooper
>and Cath continued their relationship as friends long after their
>professional relationship ended. If you'd bothered to read the
>affidavit before railing against it, Marina, you would see that this
>is made quite clear by Cath himself.
I never said otherwise. If you had bothered to look at the header of
the post before railing against it, you would see that I am not "Marina".
>Nothing involving Cath's professional contact with Cooper is
>divulged in this deposition. Physician/patient confidentiality is
>not breached. Cath had his own attorney present during
>the deposition as well as Cooper's counsel to insure that such
>a breach would not occur.
Never said otherwise
>If you would bother to read the complaint filed by Paulette
>Cooper initiating this lawsuit against the cult, you would see
>that one of the causes of action in the complaint was the cult's
>alleged theft of records from the offices of Dr. Cath.
If you would bother to read the post, you would see I never
said otherwise.
>If you bother to read Cath's deposition, you will see that his
>communication with Cooper was not part of any ongoing
>physician/patient relationship, but rather that of a friend talking
>with a friend.
If you would bother to read the post, you would see I never
said otherwise.
>If you bother to read, rather than rant, you will see that the
>material Cath believed may have been taken from his office
>were *not* confidential psychiatric records. Rather, they were
>notes he had made to himself regarding phone calls he had
>received from Cooper -- as a *friend*, not as a *patient.*
If you bother to read, rather than rant, you will see that I never
said otherwise. Of course I still wonder what the response would
be if Scientology had posted such a document.
jackf...@aol.com
Rebecca wrote:
> It's interesting that no one seems to be criticizing Ron for
> having posted what he did.
Since you expressed an interest, I will tell you why I didn't criticize
him.
A few days prior to his post, I posted words to the effect that to fully
understand Paulette's character, you have to start with her birth in
Belgium. I was hoping the interested reader might recall her Clearwater
testimony make the deduction that she was a war orphan.
Apparently, Ron made the connection, and decided to post that affidavit.
Several weeks ago I proposed to Paulette that her whole life story ought
to be told. She replied, "Oh, yeah. I was born in a concentration camp.
yah yah yah." From her tone of voice it was clear that she did not want
the subject to be discussed. She doesn't want sympathy and she doesn't
want to be treated like a freak.
So that is why i didn't criticize Ron. If you want to, go ahead.
If you'll recall her quote from that newspaper article:
"I'm not easily intimidated, I'm frightened by a lot of people, and I
always try to do the right thing"
That statement is consistent with my knowledge of Paulette Cooper and i
don't want to say more.
Ron Newman
In article <562md8$j...@krypto.zippo.com>, har...@netins.net says...
>I found the info Ron Newman posted about Paulette's past to be of a much more
>personal nature than anything Cath said in the deposition. It's interesting
>that no one seems to be criticizing Ron for having posted what he did. I
>understand that Ron posted it because he felt that it might promote a more
>sympathetic attitude towards Paulette, but I found it startlingly personal.
When I first encountered that affidavit during *my* trip to Waltham
in the summer of 1995, I wrote to Paulette and asked her if she would
object to my posting it. She told me that it was difficult for her to
re-read it, but that by all means I should post it if I wanted to.
I am troubled by the verbatim posting of the Cath deposition. Even though
Paulette was no longer his patient at the time of the depo, the fact
remains that she once was. If I had known that my posting of
Cooper's affidavit would have induced Diane to violate Paulette's privacy
in this manner, I would not have posted.
xe...@aol.com
Marina said:
> [snip]
> If you're going to make unwarranted assumptions
> like Marina=seaorg how can we
> believe anything you say about Paulette Cooper
> or any other? What does that say
> about your ability to analyse the date you collect?
[snip]
Please note that Diane has been the
target of abuse under what have seemed to be
temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for
the purpose of harassing her. Although her
assumption may be unwarranted in this case,
it's not like she's being randomly suspicious.
Xenu
Intergalactic Badmamajama [tm]
seaorg
In article <19961111065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, xe...@aol.com
says...
My account is not a "temporary alias" nor have I
"harassed" anyone and she was certainly not "randomly
suspicious"; she was in fact dead wrong.
Marina Chong
On 11 Nov 1996 06:49:45 GMT xe...@aol.com wrote in article
<19961111065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>:
>
>
>Marina said:
>> [snip]
>> If you're going to make unwarranted assumptions
>> like Marina=seaorg how can we
>> believe anything you say about Paulette Cooper
>> or any other? What does that say
>> about your ability to analyse the date you collect?
>[snip]
>
>Please note that Diane has been the
>target of abuse under what have seemed to be
>temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for
>the purpose of harassing her. Although her
>assumption may be unwarranted in this case,
>it's not like she's being randomly suspicious.
>
Kindly cite some *recent* cases of "abuse under what have seemed to be
temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for the purpose of harassing her",
particularly in these threads.
And while you're at it, kindly cite the instances of "abuses" perpetrated by
sea...@super.zippo.com upon Diane Richardson and anyone else you can think of.
Oh, and tell me why it would be reasonable to assume that *I* would adopt a
different persona to ask some polite questions of Diane Richardson and/or
comment on her recent actions.
I daresay you'll agree that I'm not being "randomly suspicious" if I suspect
that you're condoning Diane's attributing someone else's post to me?
M
Bernie
mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
>And while you're at it, kindly cite the instances of "abuses" perpetrated by
>sea...@super.zippo.com upon Diane Richardson and anyone else you can think of.
These are some of the ~~very~~ few abuses perpetrated (not by
seaorg) upon Diane:
Xenu’s Sister:
Bitch is "awfully derogatory toward female dogs, and
I love dogs too much to equate them with Diane even in
slang."
Anima:
"You are not good enough to have piss on you."
William Barwell:
"This woman is pitiless human garbage without mercy or
sense."
And of course it is the very same people who gargle about
"the pitiless personal attack on PC by Diane that simply
is beyond the bounds of reasonable or useful."
---------
Bernie
The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments
of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and
controversy.
(Martin Luther King Jr.)
Deirdre
> I see you have been reading -- and believing -- Dan McKinnon's
> poorly-reasoned drivel alleging that seaorg is me.
It was published in a public forum, therefore it must be true, right? <g>
(I know seaorg IS NOT Marina, fwiw)
> If you're going to make unwarranted assumptions like Marina=seaorg how
> can we believe anything you say about Paulette Cooper or any other? What
> does that say about your ability to analyse the date you collect?
Well, Diane is lately the Queen of the Unwarranted Assumption (first off,
that we give a shit what she thinks <g>).
_Deirdre
Marina Chong
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:00:05 GMT be...@arcadis.be (Bernie) wrote in article
<328b830d...@news.ping.be>:
>mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
>
>>And while you're at it, kindly cite the instances of "abuses" perpetrated by
>>sea...@super.zippo.com upon Diane Richardson and anyone else you can think of.
>
>These are some of the ~~very~~ few abuses perpetrated (not by
>seaorg) upon Diane:
>
[a list of "abuses" not perpetrated by seaorg]
BZZT! Flunk for irrelevancy. I asked for instances of abuse by *seaorg*, as you
have so kindly quoted in your post.
What? can't find any?
M
p.s. By the way, did you ever protest Diane's abuse of Paulette Cooper? You
know, the "slimy", "sleazy", and "scum" remarks, the aspersions on Paulette's
integrity? No? Double standards, Bernie?
Martin Hunt
}target of abuse under what have seemed to be
}temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for
}the purpose of harassing her. Although her
}assumption may be unwarranted in this case,
}it's not like she's being randomly suspicious.
Bullshit.
--
Cogito, ergo sum.
"ARSCC: We Think, Therefore We Aren't" - DownStat <hel...@panties.bunch>
xe...@aol.com
Martin Hunt expounded:
In article <19961111065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, xe...@aol.com
}
}Please note that Diane has been the
}target of abuse under what have seemed to be
}temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for
}the purpose of harassing her. Although her
}assumption may be unwarranted in this case,
}it's not like she's being randomly suspicious.
Bullshit.
*************
I couldn't find Marina's reply to this because AOL sucks, so I'll answer
both of you here. Marina, from what I remember of your reply to my post,
you asked if anyone had recently harassed Diane from an anonymous account.
MasterTed immediately springs to mind. That was about a week ago.
Several people suspect it's actually Fishman, who is suspected of doing it
before from another account. I think this answers Martin as well (I'm
assuming he was referring to this). There was another series relatively
recently, nonFishman, where Diane named another person (DaveL_?) she
thought had made an anonymous post directed at her. I have no idea if she
was accurate, but someone was using an anon account to vent their
feelings.
You seemed to be offended by my post. Please take it at face value, I
didn't mean to imply anything about you at all. I'm simply pointing out
that people have indeed harassed Diane from anonymous accounts. I'm not
saying you shouldn't be offended by the accusation, or that you should.
Xenu
Bernie
mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
>[a list of "abuses" not perpetrated by seaorg]
>BZZT! Flunk for irrelevancy. I asked for instances of abuse by *seaorg*, as you
>have so kindly quoted in your post.
>What? can't find any?
No. To his credit seaorg didn't make any that I am aware of, and
nobody told he did. Can you cite instances where anyone said so?
---------
Bernie
How will they know if justice was done? Open courts are a
founding principle of the US, and yes for all our non-US
members, this is where the action took place.
(Keith A. Schauer)
Margaret Huffstickler
xe...@aol.com wrote:
: Martin Hunt expounded:
: In article <19961111065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, xe...@aol.com
: }
: }Please note that Diane has been the
: }target of abuse under what have seemed to be
: }temporary aliases assumed, apparently, simply for
: }the purpose of harassing her. Although her
: }assumption may be unwarranted in this case,
: }it's not like she's being randomly suspicious.
: Bullshit.
: *************
: I couldn't find Marina's reply to this because AOL sucks, so I'll answer
: both of you here. Marina, from what I remember of your reply to my post,
: you asked if anyone had recently harassed Diane from an anonymous account.
: MasterTed immediately springs to mind. That was about a week ago.
: Several people suspect it's actually Fishman, who is suspected of doing it
: before from another account. I think this answers Martin as well (I'm
: assuming he was referring to this). There was another series relatively
: recently, nonFishman, where Diane named another person (DaveL_?) she
: thought had made an anonymous post directed at her. I have no idea if she
: was accurate, but someone was using an anon account to vent their
: feelings.
Xenu, Masterted is simply Masterted, as Cornelius pointed out, with
convincing documentation. He is a man whose son is in scientology,
and has disconnected from his family, causing them great pain.
He had hoped to find support on a.r.s, and instead found flame wars;
and was honestly expressing his frustration. Moreover, although some
objected to his questions and speculations concerning Diane, they were
not harassing or couched in abusive language.
The idea of Marina and others assuming anonymous id's to harass Diane
seems a bit on the paranoid side to me, and I think it would be wise to
take into account the stress she's been under before accepting her hunches
as literal truth.
: You seemed to be offended by my post. Please take it at face value, I
: didn't mean to imply anything about you at all. I'm simply pointing out
: that people have indeed harassed Diane from anonymous accounts. I'm not
: saying you shouldn't be offended by the accusation, or that you should.
: Xen
Margaret H.
Number 3
> mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
>
> >And while you're at it, kindly cite the instances of "abuses" perpetrated by
> >sea...@super.zippo.com upon Diane Richardson and anyone else you can
think of.
>
> These are some of the ~~very~~ few abuses perpetrated (not by
> seaorg) upon Diane:
>
> Xenu’s Sister:
> Bitch is "awfully derogatory toward female dogs, and
> I love dogs too much to equate them with Diane even in
> slang."
>
> Anima:
> "You are not good enough to have piss on you."
>
> William Barwell:
> "This woman is pitiless human garbage without mercy or
> sense."
>
> And of course it is the very same people who gargle about
> "the pitiless personal attack on PC by Diane that simply
> is beyond the bounds of reasonable or useful."
>
> ---------
i think you forgot "Princess of Pitch"
> Bernie
>
> The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments
> of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and
> controversy.
> (Martin Luther King Jr.)
Martin Hunt
In article <seekon-1711...@sjx-ca56-05.ix.netcom.com>,
see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) wrote:
}In article <328b830d...@news.ping.be>, be...@arcadis.be (Bernie) wrote:
}
}> mar...@super.zippo.com (Marina Chong) wrote:
}>
}> >And while you're at it, kindly cite the instances of "abuses" perpetrated by
}> >sea...@super.zippo.com upon Diane Richardson and anyone else you can
}think of.
}>
}> These are some of the ~~very~~ few abuses perpetrated (not by
}> seaorg) upon Diane:
}>
}> Xenu’s Sister:
}> Bitch is "awfully derogatory toward female dogs, and
}> I love dogs too much to equate them with Diane even in
}> slang."
}>
}> Anima:
}> "You are not good enough to have piss on you."
}>
}> William Barwell:
}> "This woman is pitiless human garbage without mercy or
}> sense."
}>
}> And of course it is the very same people who gargle about
}> "the pitiless personal attack on PC by Diane that simply
}> is beyond the bounds of reasonable or useful."
}>
}> ---------
}
} i think you forgot "Princess of Pitch"
And how come I'm not in there? Didn't I call her the C-word yet,
or something similar? Damn it all to hell; I hate it when I'm
left out of group events like this.
--
Cogito, ergo sum. Email: uo...@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
Rebecca Hartong
In article <anima.8...@pentagon.io.com>, an...@io.com (Anima) wrote:>Oh, Bernie, Bernie. so short the memory, huh?
Uh, Anima...? As your own quote indicates, it was seekon who wrote "i think
you forgot "Princess of Pitch," not Bernie.
Got Bernie-on-the-Brain? ;-)
Or just a really REALLY short memory!?
Number 3
> see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) writes:
>
> > i think you forgot "Princess of Pitch"
>
> Oh, Bernie, Bernie. so short the memory, huh? The phrase you were groping
> for was Mistress of Pitch. Correct it please.
please! bernie and i are quite different people, and
do not prefer to be thought of as some schizoprhrenic alter
ego to the other. we are quite different in our circumstances
and outlooks.
although i have to admit that i have found that
bernie is a very upright and intelligent person when you take
some time to get to the bottom of what he is saying.
Bernie
an...@io.com (Anima) wrote:
>Of course there are objections-- that's why there was a major
>mischaracterization of the plan to begin with, why there was an utter
>inability to get past the Great Mystery of who authored the plan (no
>mystery at all of course, but yet another excuse to bash someone who has
>gained more fans by her silence than the Kook Coterie with all their
>squirming malice)
Mmm, her silence wasn't very quiet. In the only words she
managed to utter herself rather than through her proxies, she
revealed so much more of her character that was totally in line
with the depiction of those who knew her since their AOHell
times and who have come to be quiet overwrought with her
behavior.
If you read through (which, like a faithful cult member you most
probably don't), then you may understand why. Oops, sorry, no,
not you, but someone with a bit of sense may very quickly come
to the correct conclusion.
BTW, keep your bemused posts rolling. You provide an invaluable
service for these people to witness what a PC-cult member looks
like.
---------
Bernie
(3) There isn't really a (3), but I always find rebuttals with
three points most convincing.
(Tashback)
Martin Hunt
In article <seekon-1911...@sjx-ca77-54.ix.netcom.com>,
see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) wrote:
}In article <anima.8...@pentagon.io.com>, an...@io.com (Anima) wrote:
}
}> see...@ix.netcom.com (Number 3) writes:
}>
}> > i think you forgot "Princess of Pitch"
}>
}> Oh, Bernie, Bernie. so short the memory, huh? The phrase you were groping
}> for was Mistress of Pitch. Correct it please.
}
} please! bernie and i are quite different people, and
} do not prefer to be thought of as some schizoprhrenic alter
} ego to the other. we are quite different in our circumstances
} and outlooks.
Very differnet people, I agree.
} although i have to admit that i have found that
} bernie is a very upright and intelligent person when you take
} some time to get to the bottom of what he is saying.
On that, we disagree.
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