Mark Rathbun found?
Thirsty Thetan
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
TT
Android Cat
> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
like him.
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathbunMug-150.jpg
--
Ron of that ilk.
Thirsty Thetan
> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>
> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
>
> --
> Ron of that ilk.
Holy crap! I totally missed the picture right next to one of his
articles.
I sent along a little message to the managing editor congratulating
him on escaping the asthmatic dwarf.
TT
Eldon
> On Jun 10, 12:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> > like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
and tale advantage of her in a weakened condition. I wouldn't
encourage that even if she did consent.
Thirsty Thetan
Look at the much better link from AC; mine just gets you the main page
for the web site, AC's gets you only the pic of Marty and it's the
picture I missed on first pass. You must be looking at Kelley, who is
the managing editor that hired Rathbun in May.
TT
Thirsty Thetan
Did I miss the memo, or is this old news that everyone already knows?
Or does anyone care? I would have expected a few more comments on
this thread, but then again, maybe I'm KF'ed by the majority of people
here (exception: one troll who shall remain nameless) and very few
people are even seeing this thread?
TT
Android Cat
> On Jun 10, 1:23 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Look at the much better link from AC; mine just gets you the main
>> page for the web site, AC's gets you only the pic of Marty and it's
>> the picture I missed on first pass. You must be looking at Kelley,
>> who is the managing editor that hired Rathbun in May.
>
> Or does anyone care? I would have expected a few more comments on
> this thread, but then again, maybe I'm KF'ed by the majority of people
> here (exception: one troll who shall remain nameless) and very few
> people are even seeing this thread?
With the high noise from Circle Jerks, trolls and people responding to them,
it happens. (I saw it the last time too.)
And there's nothing wrong with showing again that Marty Rathbun is alive,
out, and seems to be enjoying himself after the disappearance and years of
his complete unpersoning by Scientology.
Hey you CoS handlers that actually read ARS (instead of blind-posting old
CCHR drivel), take a look at one of your former bosses, looking good and
living large:
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathbunMug-150.jpg
Thirsty Thetan
>
> --
> Ron of that ilk.
Thanks, AC. How long have you been aware that he's writing for "We the
People"? I stumbled on it with a Google search a few minutes before I
posted it, but hadn't seen or heard anything about him other than
rumors that he was selling cars in a Toyota dealer somewhere.
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
<a6d0fa27-9012-4708...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
And the Organization Header: http://groups.google.com.
The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmac...@gmail.com>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
The Toyota dealer is Mike Rinder former OSA head.
Black Mamba
news:cd439251-4c55-4d7e...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
| On 10 Juni, 19:30, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > Thirsty Thetan wrote:
| > > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
| >
| >
| >
| > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture
looks
| > like
| >
| > --
| > Ron of that ilk.
|
| deny that it is "her" Marty. The Marty she remembers only exists in
| her mind. So no matter how many pictures of the real Scn connected
| Marty she's shown, she will never recognize "her" Marty.
|
| It's a sad story, but it shows us all what Scn can do to a vurnerable
| mind. It ca created false memories of people, as well as false
| memories of being brought up in a sub marine city in the Salt Lake.
|
| Fuck it, it's bad, really really bad and evil.
And he (Marty Rathbun) is the one that came right out on camera and
called Bob Minton an "immoral person".
If he is not declared don't trust him, Scientology is always up to
something evil, always.
There is something behind it.
--
Larry
(LaserClam Is Like A Pit Viper!)
Thirsty Thetan
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:21:20 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
Sorry, getting my former miscreants mixed up. Reading ARS will do that
to a person.
So, is this old news?
TT
Out_Of_The_Dark
> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>
> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
>
> --
> Ron of that ilk.
Oh my, that sure is him. Compare that pic
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathbunMug-150.jpg
to this pic:
http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
That certain someone with a heart for the man has not been around
lately. Maybe he made some sort of deal with her to cease her pursuit
so he could move on with his life? I can't imagine him not realizing
the implications of being on the internet as an editor and writer,
lol!
Anyway, here's a big SHOUT OUT to Marty, sending congratulations and a
suggestion to contact Larry Brennan when you are ready to talk ( if
you have not done so already):
email is larrybren12345ATaol.com (with the "AT" representing the "@"
symbol).
posts on ars and clambake as "SME" and in XSO and exscn as
"Lovinglife625".
He also just started posting in enturbulation.org as "LarryBren".
Mary
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
For some it is, but then ARS is full of News daily nowadays. That's what
happens when the crime cult is crashing.
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>On Jun 10, 1:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
>> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>>
>> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>>
>> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
>> like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>>
>> --
>> Ron of that ilk.
>
>Oh my, that sure is him. Compare that pic
>http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathbunMug-150.jpg
>to this pic:
>http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
>
>That certain someone with a heart for the man has not been around
>lately.
Not been around lately? Heck she's posting like crazy in the thread:
Chattanooga - Barbara Schwarz's submarine village under the Great Salt
Lake
>Maybe he made some sort of deal with her to cease her pursuit
>so he could move on with his life? I can't imagine him not realizing
>the implications of being on the internet as an editor and writer,
>lol!
If it isn't her Marty (which it isn't because her Marty is just a mental
picture), he doesn't have anything to fear from the SLC creature.
>
>Anyway, here's a big SHOUT OUT to Marty, sending congratulations and a
>suggestion to contact Larry Brennan when you are ready to talk ( if
>you have not done so already):
>
>email is larrybren12345ATaol.com (with the "AT" representing the "@"
>symbol).
>posts on ars and clambake as "SME" and in XSO and exscn as
>"Lovinglife625".
>He also just started posting in enturbulation.org as "LarryBren".
>
>Mary
Well, I dunno if Larry is the right person really...
barb
Not really "old news," as it's been rumored. We weren't sure if he'd
blown or was buried in a shallow grave.
--
Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
It's Poodlin' Time!
“I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate.”
--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC
barb
Mike Rinder is the one selling cars. Another top guy, blown!
Thirsty Thetan
Blown, but not talking. Can't say I blame him. He's should have enough
dirt to bury the dwarf and shut down the cult, but has probably been
threatened with pain of death or worse if he tries to bring any of it
into the light of justice.
TT
Element 116
Mark Rathbun Speaks! (bottom of post)
But first:
http://tinyurl.com/5b9nkg
[Google/site:http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php +rathbun]
Advanced Search
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_search&Itemid=2
[ "Rathbun" <enter>)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rathbun
Mark Rathbun
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
snip>
Current
snip>
Mark Rathbun is now living in Ingleside on the Bay, Texas (06-2008)and
is currently writing for "We the People", an underground left-wing
newspaper.[10].
[10]
^ We the People. We the People. Retrieved on 2008-06-05.
http://www.wethepeoplenews.org/
Mark Rathbun is the News Editor for We the People News in Corpus
Christi, Texas. We the People News is a monthly investigative
newsmagazine representing the views of working people and small
business. It is a progressive populist publication not left wing. Half
the readers consider themselves Republican, usually of the libertarian
type. We support all of the bill of rights including the second
amendment and prefer the the historic perspective of trade with all
treaties with none. We the People News investigates government and
corporate corruption, media distortion and reports on non traditional
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Latest entry
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Rathbun&diff=next&oldid=218467692
Mark Rathbun
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Mark Rathbun is the News Editor for We the People News in Corpus
Christi, Texas. We the People News is a monthly investigative
newsmagazine representing the views of working people and small
business. It is a progressive populist publication not left wing. Half
the readers consider themselves Republican, usually of the libertarian
type. We support all of the bill of rights including the second
amendment and prefer the the historic perspective of trade with all
treaties with none. We the People News investigates government and
corporate corruption, media distortion and reports on non traditional
community events."
Where's the source info to that wiki entry? Any?
http://tinyurl.com/4b2r7y
link:P_xr_F3uSv0J:www.wethepeoplenews.org/
http://tinyurl.com/3kdd3x
Google:web pages that contain the term "www.wethepeoplenews.org/"
Google
http://tinyurl.com/3tbr86
snip>
"www.wethepeoplenews.org/" +rathbun
Linking to wethepeoplenews.org
http://tiptopwebsite.com/websites/index2.php?username=marie007&page=3
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The Daily Scare:
http://www.dailyscare.com/comment/reply/1795
Hold On to Your Seat: America and Its Debt Based Economy
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snip>
[Texas PPC Discussion] Catching Up
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Submitted by John Kelley on Sat, 12/02/2006 - 12:00am.
Interesting though maybe having no significance:
http://www.justdropped.com/drops/033008net.html
Domain Names Dropping 03/30/08
snip>
wethepeoplenews.net (not .org)
No "Wayback" pages...
Marty does looks physically fit/healthy in that top photo 'living large"
it appears with the new swaggering goatee as a nice addition to his
tanned lean appearance. A thought that came to me when first seeing that
photo/image as analogy was that he looks like an Aleutians Crab
Fisherman just come back to port after finishing a 'season' bagging crab
dollars. Maybe "coming back to port" has some meaning here, for Marty,
as he is today ...
Re/snip>
Mark Rathbun is now living in Ingleside on the Bay, Texas (06-2008)and
is currently writing for "We the People", an underground left-wing
newspaper.[10]."
--
Mark Rathbun Speaks!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/75039/mark_rathbun.html
Mark Rathbun
living in ingleside, TX
Mark writes:
I write for a progressive populist publication, historical publications,
and I write meaningful screenplays.
Education/Experience: 2 years college, 25 years studying and writing.
Interests: boating, fishing, hiking, nature, photography, reading,
writing"
(end)
So he is a fisherman! I just entered "The Twilight Zone" ...
Element116
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Quaoar
What the hell happened with "Marty Rathbun is dead" and all of the
documentation?
Jebuz! Maybe Monica should change her viewpoint.
Q
Monica Pignotti
> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>
> > TT
>
> What the hell happened with "Marty Rathbun is dead" and all of the
> documentation?
>
> Jebuz! Maybe Monica should change her viewpoint.
What does this have to do with me?
Beth
> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>
> > TT
>
> What the hell happened with "Marty Rathbun is dead" and all of the
> documentation?
>
I never saw any documentation that he was dead. There were dead Mark
Rathbuns who turned out not to be him though.
Beth
Beth
<S4_clearance@papoose_lake_underground_base.51> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:01:49 -0400, "Android Cat"
>
>
>
> <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> >> On Jun 10, 1:23 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Look at the much better link from AC; mine just gets you the main
> >>> page for the web site, AC's gets you only the pic of Marty and it's
> >>> the picture I missed on first pass. You must be looking at Kelley,
> >>> who is the managing editor that hired Rathbun in May.
>
> >> Did I miss the memo, or is this old news that everyone already knows?
> >> Or does anyone care? I would have expected a few more comments on
> >> this thread, but then again, maybe I'm KF'ed by the majority of people
> >> here (exception: one troll who shall remain nameless) and very few
> >> people are even seeing this thread?
>
> >With the high noise from Circle Jerks, trolls and people responding to them,
> >it happens. (I saw it the last time too.)
>
> >And there's nothing wrong with showing again that Marty Rathbun is alive,
> >out, and seems to be enjoying himself after the disappearance and years of
> >his complete unpersoning by Scientology.
>
> >Hey you CoS handlers that actually read ARS (instead of blind-posting old
> >CCHR drivel), take a look at one of your former bosses, looking good and
> >living large:
>
> Mark Rathbun Speaks! (bottom of post)
>
> But first:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5b9nkg
> [Google/site:http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php+rathbun]
>
>
> Mark Rathbun is the News Editor for We the People News in Corpus
> Christi, Texas. We the People News is a monthly investigative
> newsmagazine representing the views of working people and small
> business. It is a progressive populist publication not left wing. Half
> the readers consider themselves Republican, usually of the libertarian
> type. We support all of the bill of rights including the second
> amendment and prefer the the historic perspective of trade with all
> treaties with none. We the People News investigates government and
> corporate corruption, media distortion and reports on non traditional
> community events."
>
> Mark Rathbun Wiki/Historyhttp://tinyurl.com/69y7gd
>
>
> Mark Rathbun
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> (Difference between revisions)Revision as of 19:57, 10 June 2008 (edit)
> 75.16.112.79 (Talk)
>
> Line 35: Line 35:
> ==References== ==References==
> {{reflist}} {{reflist}}
> -
> Mark Rathbun is the News Editor for We the People News in Corpus
> Christi, Texas. We the People News is a monthly investigative
> newsmagazine representing the views of working people and small
> business. It is a progressive populist publication not left wing. Half
> the readers consider themselves Republican, usually of the libertarian
> type. We support all of the bill of rights including the second
> amendment and prefer the the historic perspective of trade with all
> treaties with none. We the People News investigates government and
> corporate corruption, media distortion and reports on non traditional
> community events."
>
> Where's the source info to that wiki entry? Any?
Do you mean for the text you quoted just above? It seems to have been
copied from the We The People site and added by an unregistered Wiki
editor. Then it was deleted by another Wiki editor. It was just done
today, probably by someone who saw the discussion here.
(If you mean the Wiki entry in general, it's got footnotes for its
sources.)
Beth
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4b2r7y
> link:P_xr_F3uSv0J:www.wethepeoplenews.org/
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3kdd3x
> Google:web pages that contain the term "www.wethepeoplenews.org/"
>
> Googlehttp://tinyurl.com/3tbr86
> snip>
> "www.wethepeoplenews.org/" +rathbun
>
> Linking to wethepeoplenews.orghttp://tiptopwebsite.com/websites/index2.php?username=marie007&page=3
> Center for Progressive Studies and Culture, Inc.
>
> A Non-profit Corporation
>
> Purpose of Organization
>
> There has been recognized a need to establish a nonprofit organization
> to facilitate various progressive projects in the Corpus Christ area.
> There are no progressive nonprofits that have educational-cultural
> development in this area. Most nonprofits are organized for social
> services. Our proposed organization is intended to serve various needs
> of the community, especially educational and cultural from a progressive
> standpoint.
>
> Sidebar
> Links to other progressive sites:http://tiptopwebsite.com/websites/index2.php?username=marie007&page=11
>
> HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING LINKS
> The Corpus Christi Progressive Populist Cacus.www.ccppc.org
>
> We the People News WWW.wethepeoplenews.org
>
> South Texas Peace Group.http://www.stpeace.org/
>
> TEXASN FOR PEACEwww.texansforpeace.org
>
> Tikkunhttp://www.tikkun.org/
>
> Corpus Christi Chapter of Texas Coalition to Abolish the Death Penaltyhttp://www.tcadp.org/index.php?page=corpus-christi
>
> -
> wethepeoplenews (editor] John Kelly carried in (sample) related
> publications/
>
> Dissident Voice:
> A Radical Newsletter in the Struggle for Peace and Social Justicehttp://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/hold-on-to-your-seat-america-an...
>
> The Daily Scare:http://www.dailyscare.com/comment/reply/1795
> Hold On to Your Seat: America and Its Debt Based Economy
>
> by John Kelley / July 31st, 2007"
>
> Progressive Populist Caucushttp://www.texaspopulists.org/node/1452
>
> snip>
> [Texas PPC Discussion] Catching Up
> You are here: Home » forums » TexasPPC Discussion List » [Texas PPC
> Discussion] Catching Up
> Submitted by John Kelley on Sat, 12/02/2006 - 12:00am.
>
> Interesting though maybe having no significance:http://www.justdropped.com/drops/033008net.html
> Domain Names Dropping 03/30/08
>
> snip>
> wethepeoplenews.net (not .org)
>
> No "Wayback" pages...
>
> Marty does looks physically fit/healthy in that top photo 'living large"
> it appears with the new swaggering goatee as a nice addition to his
> tanned lean appearance. A thought that came to me when first seeing that
> photo/image as analogy was that he looks like an Aleutians Crab
> Fisherman just come back to port after finishing a 'season' bagging crab
> dollars. Maybe "coming back to port" has some meaning here, for Marty,
> as he is today ...
>
> Re/snip>
> Mark Rathbun is now living in Ingleside on the Bay, Texas (06-2008)and
> is currently writing for "We the People", an underground left-wing
> newspaper.[10]."
> --
>
> Mark Rathbun Speaks!http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/75039/mark_rathbun.html
> Mark Rathbun
> living in ingleside, TX
>
> Mark writes:
>
> I write for a progressive populist publication, historical publications,
> and I write meaningful screenplays.
>
> Education/Experience: 2 years college, 25 years studying and writing.
>
> Interests: boating, fishing, hiking, nature, photography, reading,
> writing"
> (end)
>
> So he is a fisherman! I just entered "The Twilight Zone" ...
>
> Element116
>
> //
>
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BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
>
> TT
Not my Marty.
Barbara Schwarz
---
Who is Paul Horner aka Paul Durks aka Darude and a lousy zoo full of
other sockpuppets? I describe Paul as typical ultra low and lawless
anti-religious extremist scum.
Right now, he imposters me under ID Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net.
He stole the name of Mark or Marty Rathbun and my name Barbara Schwarz
and forged our names as registrars of a criminal rip-off website.
Horner steals also the name, the layout and the informative ideas of
correct informing www.religiousfreedomwatch.org and twists their
information and distracts from the low activities of the anti-
religious extremists and the anonymous "protesters", which apparently
are front groups of the psychiatry-obsessed and Scientology-hating
traditionally intolerant German secret service.
This here is the original website:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/
It is not my website either, but I am a witness to numerous events
described on this website and therefore can testify that these events
indeed happened. I also encountered the extremists as portrayed on
this website and I find their characters and activities correctly
described on the www.religiousreligiousfreedomwatch.org.
Paul Horner can't accept that I didn't fall for the lies of anti-
religious extremists and Anonymous. By forging my name as registrar
under his rip-off-and-lie website, he simply tries to change reality
in his and their favor.
Let me give you another example what Paul Horner is doing. Let's say,
you despise smoking. He would steal your name and register and publish
a pro-smoking website under your name.
Let's say, you despise drinking. He would steal your name and register
and publish a pro-drinking website under your (famous) name. Let's say
you despise drugs. He would steal your name and publish a pro-drug
website under your name. Let's say you would despise Nazis and
psychiatrists. He would steal your name and register and publish a pro-
Nazi and psychiatrist website under your name. Let's say, you despise
pedophilia. He would steal your name and register and publish a pro-
pedophilia website under your name.
I hope you got the point what Paul Horner does to me with his rip off
website of the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org.
Any anti-religious extremist or Anonymous guy who does not handle Paul
Horner to remove his lying website from the net is just as guilty as
Paul Horner himself.
Paul Horner has a criminal history of ripping off websites.
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Any anti-religious extremist and Anonymous who is pro Paul Horner
should share a prison cell with him.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
>
> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
>
> --
> Ron of that ilk.
On Jun 10, 12:21 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
> http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> TT
Sure, if somebody has potato bags on his eyes as you have, Sharpy.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On 10 Juni, 19:30, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I wonder what drugs you are taking, Sten-Arnie, that makes you so
disturbed.
And if you take drugs anyway, why don't you try a truth drug for a
change?
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
The real Marty has his hair but you are wearing a wig.
And if he would have no hair left, he still would be the most handsome
and you the most ugliest of all men.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
>
>
> >On Jun 10, 1:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> >> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> >> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> >> like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> >> --
> >> Ron of that ilk.
>
> >Oh my, that sure is him. Compare that pic
> >to this pic:
> >http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
>
> >That certain someone with a heart for the man has not been around
> >lately.
>
> Not been around lately? Heck she's posting like crazy in the thread:
> Chattanooga - Barbara Schwarz's submarine village under the Great Salt
> Lake
>
> >Maybe he made some sort of deal with her to cease her pursuit
> >so he could move on with his life?
Just a jealous idiot would post something like that.
> >lol!
>
> If it isn't her Marty (which it isn't because her Marty is just a mental
> picture), he doesn't have anything to fear from the SLC creature.
Mental picture. What is that? Thousands of Scientologists who worked
with him - including Larry Brennan then suffering on
hallucinations,right?
Get real, idiot!
Marty wants to talk to me. Larry can't replace me, believe me. :)
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<S4_clearance@papoose_lake_underground_base.51> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:01:49 -0400, "Android Cat"
Man, your links are confusing. You just mix a million of people
together and create a person that suites you?
John
>"Thirsty Thetan" <bmac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:948c5e12-2982-41ae...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
snip
> Blown, but not talking. Can't say I blame him. He's should have enough
> dirt to bury the dwarf and shut down the cult, but has probably been
> threatened with pain of death or worse if he tries to bring any of it
> into the light of justice.
Not to mention implicate himself.
Out_Of_The_Dark
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 10, 1:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> >> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> >> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> >> like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> >> --
> >> Ron of that ilk.
>
> >Oh my, that sure is him. Compare that pic
> >to this pic:
> >http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
>
> >That certain someone with a heart for the man has not been around
> >lately.
>
> Not been around lately? Heck she's posting like crazy in the thread:
> Chattanooga - Barbara Schwarz's submarine village under the Great Salt
> Lake
>
> >Maybe he made some sort of deal with her to cease her pursuit
> >so he could move on with his life? I can't imagine him not realizing
> >the implications of being on the internet as an editor and writer,
> >lol!
>
> If it isn't her Marty (which it isn't because her Marty is just a mental
> picture), he doesn't have anything to fear from the SLC creature.
>
>
>
> >Anyway, here's a big SHOUT OUT to Marty, sending congratulations and a
> >suggestion to contact Larry Brennan when you are ready to talk ( if
> >you have not done so already):
>
> >email is larrybren12345ATaol.com (with the "AT" representing the "@"
> >symbol).
> >posts on ars and clambake as "SME" and in XSO and exscn as
> >"Lovinglife625".
> >He also just started posting in enturbulation.org as "LarryBren".
>
> >Mary
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I beg to differ on that being Babara.
Your Larry comment is predictably ignorant.
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think Marty looks pretty damn good in that recent picture.
Compare that pic: http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathbunMug-150.jpg
side by side to this pic:
http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
It's him. And if yoo are the real Barbara Schwarz, you'd be away from
here and writing him at that website contact link, but you're not and
that is why you are so nonchalant about this.
Eldon
> On 10 Juni, 19:30, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> > like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> > Ron of that ilk.
>
> deny that it is "her" Marty. The Marty she remembers only exists in
> her mind. So no matter how many pictures of the real Scn connected
> Marty she's shown, she will never recognize "her" Marty.
>
> It's a sad story, but it shows us all what Scn can do to a vurnerable
> mind. It ca created false memories of people, as well as false
> memories of being brought up in a sub marine city in the Salt Lake.
>
> Fuck it, it's bad, really really bad and evil.
Scientology didn't give her paranoid schizophrenia. People with a
genetic predisposition almost always flip out for the first time kin
their late teens or early twenties. The same goes for bipolar
disorder.
What's really evil is that Scientology indoctrinated her to refuse
psychiatric help. Today there are medications that enable people like
Babbles to lead fairly normal lives without serious side effect
problems.
Oh well. At least she apparently hasn't stabbed anybody.
Out_Of_The_Dark
> Scientology didn't give her paranoid schizophrenia. People with a
> genetic predisposition almost always flip out for the first time kin
> their late teens or early twenties. The same goes for bipolar
> disorder. <
> What's really evil is that Scientology indoctrinated her to refuse
> psychiatric help. Today there are medications that enable people like
> Babbles to lead fairly normal lives without serious side effect
> problems. <
Absolutely true.
> Oh well. At least she apparently hasn't stabbed anybody <
... at least not yet anyway.
blackdove
>
> - Show quoted text -
Did you ever imagine the day people would be mixing up fled execs?
What glorious days these be.
-blackdove
Eldon
Now, now. You're sounding pessimistic. I don't think she is violent,
and I hope she steals some more nectarines if she gets hungry. Or
maybe she can contact a local charity for assistance.
Poor Babbles may be a mental mess, but we need to exercise some
compassion.
It appears that Scientology removed any she had to begin with.
banchukita
That's what I remember, too.
Has anyone seen Warren McShane?
-maggie, human being
> Beth
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry for sounding pessimistic. Truthfully, I only wish Barbara well
and certainly would not want her getting hurt or hurting another! My
concern is that unaddressed mental illness by scientologists has lead
to others getting hurt and killed. I believe Barbara is capable of
leading a happy nondelusional life with appropriate medical care and I
hope she avails herself of it before something does happen.
Scientology beliefs 'stopped accused killer getting treatment'
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22042754-1702,00.html
Jeremy Perkins: A Scientology TragedyOn March 13, 2003, Jeremy
Perkins, a 28 year old untreated schizophrenic, stabbed his mother
Elli 77 times. She bled to death on her bedroom floor. ...
www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins
www.perkinstragedy.org
Thirsty Thetan
> > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
It's still (back?) on the Wiki entry this morning at least for me, and
I'm not accessing cached info.
TT
Thirsty Thetan
> >"Thirsty Thetan" <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
True, but I would think he could work a deal for immunity by
testifying for the prosecution.
TT
Eldon
Well yes, and there was the more recent case of the young woman in
Australia who killed her father and sister, and almost her mother.
Babbles appears pretty delusional and sometimes quite angry, but I
somehow don't see her as vicious enough to go on a rampage and butcher
anybody.
But maybe I'm just an optimist. ;-)
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: Mark Rathbun found?:
>Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
>
>TT
Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the "Scn" Rathbun after all?
He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=41
Thirsty Thetan
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
> >Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
>
> >TT
>
> Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the "Scn" Rathbun after all?
>
> He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
>
Have another look at his picture on the site. I've no doubt it's him
now; just a little older, and now sporting a tan and a real smile (not
that Tone40 facsimile) since he's not locked up in SP hall getting
belittled daily (hourly) by DM.
TT
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree. It's definately him in that photo.
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
So, he's been moonlighting at We The People long before he left the cult?
Thirsty Thetan
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:21:46 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
>
>
> >On Jun 11, 11:11 am, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 11, 10:04 am, FTSOH <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT).
> >> > In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> >> > With the Message-ID:
> >> > <e229a669-6b19-4a43-a7bc-844e4e4a5...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
> >> > And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
> >> > The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
> >> > Wrote on the subject: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
> >> > >Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> >> > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> >> > >TT
>
> >> > Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the "Scn" Rathbun after all?
>
> >> > He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
>
> >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&t...
>
> >> Have another look at his picture on the site. I've no doubt it's him
> >> now; just a little older, and now sporting a tan and a real smile (not
> >> that Tone40 facsimile) since he's not locked up in SP hall getting
> >> belittled daily (hourly) by DM.
>
> >> TT- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >I agree. It's definately him in that photo.
>
> So, he's been moonlighting at We The People long before he left the cult?
They started systematically removing references to him (and McShane)
from all official web sites and documentation in September 2005.
There's no way to tell, short of talking to him, when he actually got
out.
I just got a confirmation email from John Kelley, managing editor at
We The People, that it is the same Marty, except that he is now "one
hell of an investigative reporter and has been promoted to news
director".
I'm still trippin' on the fact that this has been missed for so long.
Here everyone thinks he's dead or under 24 hour watch by the dwarf,
and it turns out he blew over a year ago and is doing just fine in the
wog world.
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
In 2005? I believe you're in error there. Wasn't the issue about his
whereabouts first raised here last year because his pages on Scn sites
had disappeared then?
Thirsty Thetan
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
I've been following this stuff for about 4 years now, and 2+ years ago
I was still checking the "Marty and Warren's Excellent Adventure"
article on Clambake for any new information on their whereabouts.
The article is so old now, Andreas moved it off the front page and
relegated it to the "moved items" bin in favor of all the new stuff on
Anonymous, exscientologykids.org, Marc Headley and Jason Beghe
interviews, etc.
A check of the wayback machine for www.clambake.org shows that Andreas
started running the story in October 2005.
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Ah well, I've been on ARS since 1996, and honestly I can't remember
hearing about his disappearance until last year, or maybe 2006. But that
doesn't mean that you're wrong. After so many years here, there's lots of
things that passes me by without me knowing it :-)
Thirsty Thetan
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> >started running the story in October 2005.
>
> >TT
>
> Ah well, I've been on ARS since 1996, and honestly I can't remember
> hearing about his disappearance until last year, or maybe 2006. But that
> doesn't mean that you're wrong. After so many years here, there's lots of
> things that passes me by without me knowing it :-)
No sweat. I managed to get him mixed up with Mike Rinder in my initial
excitement at the news.
BTW, here's the link to "Marty and Warren's Excellent Adventure" if
you'd like to have a look:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/rtc/
And here's the link from the WayBack Machine for Oct. 13, 2005 when it
first appeared on the main page:
http://web.archive.org/web/20051013064446/http://clambake.org/
As you may be aware, the WayBack machine won't archive www.xenu.net,
but somehow they didn't manage to see that www.clambake.org is the
exact same server and content.
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Oh fuck, thanks. Yeah now I remember :-)
It's possible then that he blew back in 2005, so he's had a couple of
years to adjust to the wog world.
One would only wish that he should take some responsibility for his year
as a top scn leader, and start spilling the beans to the proper
authorities.
Thirsty Thetan
today.
TT
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
>
>
> > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
>
> > --
> > Ron of that ilk.
>
> so he could move on with his life? I can't imagine him not realizing
> the implications of being on the internet as an editor and writer,
> lol!
>
> suggestion to contact Larry Brennan when you are ready to talk ( if
> you have not done so already):
>
> email is larrybren12345ATaol.com (with the "AT" representing the "@"
> symbol).
> posts on ars and clambake as "SME" and in XSO and exscn as
> "Lovinglife625".
> He also just started posting in enturbulation.org as "LarryBren".
>
> Mary
Marty is not impressed by shouting anti-religious extremists, Mary.
If you want to get an idea what kind of person he is, read his
affidavit.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5ebb265c28144cda
Barbara Schwarz
My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
Tilman Hausherr and Korey Jerome Kruse
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
> The famous author: Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com>.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: MarkRathbunfound?:
>
>
>
> >> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> >> > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
> >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> >> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> >> like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> >> --
> >> Ron of that ilk.
>
> >Oh my, that sure is him. Compare that pic
> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
> >to this pic:
> >http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
>
> >That certain someone with a heart for the man has not been around
> >lately.
>
> Chattanooga - Barbara Schwarz's submarine village under the Great Salt
> Lake
>
> >so he could move on with his life? I can't imagine him not realizing
> >the implications of being on the internet as an editor and writer,
> >lol!
>
> picture), he doesn't have anything to fear from the SLC creature.
>
>
>
> >suggestion to contact Larry Brennan when you are ready to talk ( if
> >you have not done so already):
>
> >email is larrybren12345ATaol.com (with the "AT" representing the "@"
> >symbol).
> >posts on ars and clambake as "SME" and in XSO and exscn as
> >"Lovinglife625".
> >He also just started posting in enturbulation.org as "LarryBren".
>
> >Mary
>
Marty is his own person. He does not need anybody to form his
opinions.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5ebb265c28144cda
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> >> On Jun 10, 1:19 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 10, 7:36 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jun 10, 12:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> >>>>>> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
> >>>>>>http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
> >>>>> Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> >>>>> like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
> >>> and tale advantage of her in a weakened condition. I wouldn't
> >>> encourage that even if she did consent.
> >>>>> Ron of that ilk.
> >>>> articles.
> >>>> I sent along a little message to the managing editor congratulating
> >>>> him on escaping the asthmatic dwarf.
> >>>> TT
> >> picture I missed on first pass. You must be looking at Kelley, who is
> >> the managing editor that hiredRathbunin May.
>
>
> > Did I miss the memo, or is this old news that everyone already knows?
> > Or does anyone care? I would have expected a few more comments on
> > this thread, but then again, maybe I'm KF'ed by the majority of people
> > here (exception: one troll who shall remain nameless) and very few
> > people are even seeing this thread?
>
>
> Not really "old news," as it's been rumored. We weren't sure if he'd
> blown or was buried in a shallow grave.
The kind you shovel for your victims, Spider Babbles Graham?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5ebb265c28144cda
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 11, 12:20 am, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 1:19 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 7:36 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jun 10, 12:30 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > > > > > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
> > > > > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> > > > > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> > > > > like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> > > and tale advantage of her in a weakened condition. I wouldn't
> > > encourage that even if she did consent.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ron of that ilk.
>
> > > > Holy crap! I totally missed the picture right next to one of his
> > > > articles.
>
> > > > I sent along a little message to the managing editor congratulating
> > > > him on escaping the asthmatic dwarf.
>
> > > > TT
>
>
> > And if he would have no hair left, he still would be the most handsome
> > and you the most ugliest of all men.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
> > ---
> > Who is Paul Horner aka Paul Durks aka Darude and a lousy zoo full of
> > other sockpuppets? I describe Paul as typical ultra low and lawless
> > anti-religious extremist scum.
>
> > Right now, he imposters me under ID Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net.
>
> > and forged our names as registrars of a criminal rip-off website.
> > Horner steals also the name, the layout and the informative ideas of
> Compare that pic: http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
> side by side to this pic:http://www.scientology.org/scnnews/IMG/Rathbun.jpg
>
> It's him. And if yoo are the real Barbara Schwarz, you'd be away from
> here and writing him at that website contact link, but you're not and
> that is why you are so nonchalant about this.
Marty doesn't like beards. He would not grow one.
It is another person. I know my soul mate. Find yourself your own
soulmate, than you will not be so occupied with mine.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 10, 7:41 pm, Sten-Arne <ze...@zerpe.ath.cx> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10 Juni, 19:30, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thirsty Thetan wrote:
> > > > Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C.Rathbun?
>
> > > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> > > Adjusted for years and being out from under Scientology, the picture looks
> > > like him.http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/images/stories/standard/MRathb...
>
> > > --
> > > Ron of that ilk.
>
> > But of course the crazy one from SLC will come into this thread and
> > her mind. So no matter how many pictures of the real Scn connected
>
> > It's a sad story, but it shows us all what Scn can do to a vurnerable
> > mind. It ca created false memories of people, as well as false
> > memories of being brought up in a sub marine city in the Salt Lake.
>
> > Fuck it, it's bad, really really bad and evil.
>
Why it is always lawless people like Eldon Braun who defame others as
mentally ill?
Look at his activities. He just as lose screws and he is a fugitive of
American justice.
Coward.
Barbara Schwarz
FILED
U.S. COURT OF APPEALS
ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
July 13, 2004
THOMAS K. KAHN
CLERK
[PUBLISH]
IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
________________________
No. 03-13963
________________________
D. C. Docket No. 00-01662 CV-ORL-31-JGG
HARRY PALMER,
STAR'S EDGE, INC.,
Plaintiffs-Appellees,
versus
ELDON BRAUN,
Defendant-Appellant.
________________________
Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Middle District of Florida
_________________________
(July 13, 2004)
Before EDMONDSON, Chief Judge, TJOFLAT and COX, Circuit Judges.
PER CURIAM:
Eldon Braun appeals the judgment entered for Harry Palmer and Star’s
Edge,
Inc., aftera bench trial in this action for copyright and trademark
infringement,unfair
Page 2
For a more detailed background of this case, see Palmer v. Braun, 287
F.3d 1325 (11th Cir.
1
2002), where we affirmed the district court’s denial of a preliminary
injunction in this case.
2
competition,breach ofcontract,intentional interference with a business
relationship,
and libel. We affirm.
I. BACKGROUND AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
1
Braun was Palmer’s studentin the Avatarcourse, an educational course
Palmer
authored and conducted to teach others how to explore and master their
own
consciousness. Palmer conducted the Avatar course under the auspices
of Star’s
Edge. The Avatar course materials were copyrighted, and Avatar
students and
instructors were required tosign anagreement to
keepconfidentialthecontents of the
Avatar course materials. Braun became an instructor in the Avatar
course. But, after
a falling-out with Palmer, Braun left the Avatar program and began
doing some
writing of his own.
Braunpublishedarticlesdesigned todiscredit Palmer. And,soon
aftersevering
his relationship with Palmer and Star’s Edge, Braun began drafting a
competing
course in consciousness, which he entitled The Source Course. He
drafted most of
his materials while living in the United States, but ultimately
finished drafting The
Source Course in Paris, France. He marketed the course on the
internet, using a
website maintained intheUnitedStates,touting his courseas ananalog of
Avatar and
Page 3
Braun also attacks the district court’s judgment on the merits,
contending that (1) the
2
Plaintiffsfailed toprovethat he infringed theircopyright,and(2) that
thePlaintiffs’ copyright claim
should be defeated by the affirmative defense of misrepresentation to
the copyright office. These
contentions haveno merit. The district court committed no errorin
concludingthat Braun, in writing
The Source Course, copied Palmer’s original explanations, metaphors,
analogies, personal advice,
and observations contained in the Avatar materials. And, Braun failed
to include the affirmative
3
a take-home manual for Avatar graduates to use in refreshing their
skills. He sold at
least 25 copies of The Source Course to residents of the United
States, and shipped
these copies from France to the United States.
Palmer and Star’s Edge saw The Source Course as a plagiarism of the
Avatar
course, and they sued Braun under federal law for copyright
infringement, trademark
infringement, and unfair competition, as well as under several state-
law theories.
Braun moved to dismiss the complaint for improper venue, or, in the
alternative, to
change venue. The district court denied Braun’s venue motion, and held
a bench
trial. Following trial, the court entered judgment for Palmer and
Star’s Edge on their
copyright infringement and libel claims. Braun appeals.
II. ISSUES ON APPEAL
We address three of the issues Braun raises on appeal. First, whether
the
federal courts have subject matter jurisdiction over Plaintiffs’
copyright claim.
Second, whether Braun’s venue motion was sufficient to preserve for
appellate
review the issue of personal jurisdiction. And third, whether the
district court erred
when it denied Braun’s motion to dismiss for lack of venue or to
change venue.
2
Page 4
defense in either his answer or the pretrial order, and therefore
waived it. Jackson v. SeaboardCoast
Line R.R. Co., 678 F.2d 992, 1012 (11th Cir.1982). Indeed, Braun even
stipulated before trial that
Plaintiffs had complied with the copyright laws in all respects. (R.
4-108 at 7.)
4
III. CONTENTIONS OF THE PARTIES AND STANDARDS OF REVIEW
Braun contends that the district court lacked subject matter
jurisdiction over
Palmer’s copyright claim because all of Braun’s allegedly-infringing
activities
occurred outside the United States. Palmer and Star’s Edge contend
that a sufficient
amount of Braun’s infringing activities took place in the United
States to support
federal copyright jurisdiction. Whether the district court had subject
matter
jurisdiction is a question of law which we review de novo. Damiano v.
F.D.I.C., 104
F.3d 328, 332 (11th Cir. 1997).
Braun contends that in his venue motion, he objected to the district
court’s
jurisdiction overhisperson. He argues thatthevenuemotion raised
theissuebecause
venue and personal jurisdiction are based on many of the same factors,
and because
in their response to the motion, Plaintiffs argued that the district
court had personal
jurisdiction over Braun. Plaintiffs maintain that Braun waived his
objection to a lack
of personal jurisdiction.
Finally, Braun contends that the district court erred in denying his
motion to
dismiss for lack of venue or to change venue because he did not reside
in the Middle
District of Florida, nor did a substantial portion of the events
giving rise to the claim
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5
occur in the Middle District of Florida. Plaintiffs contend that the
Middle District of
Florida was a proper venue. We review for abuse of discretion a
district court’s
denial of a motion to transfer or dismiss for lack of venue. Robinson
v. Giarmarco
& Bill, P.C., 74 F.3d 253, 255 (11th Cir. 1996).
IV. DISCUSSION
A. Subject Matter Jurisdiction
Title 28, U.S.C.,Section 1338 gives the districtcourts original
jurisdiction over
civil actions arising under federal copyright law. Plaintiffs brought
their copyright
claims in the district court pursuant to the federal Copyright Act, 17
U.S.C. § 501.
But, federal copyright law has no extraterritorial effect, and cannot
be invoked
to secure relief for acts of infringement occurring outside the United
States.
Subafilms, Ltd. v. MGM-Pathe Communications, 24 F.3d 1088, 1091 (9th
Cir. 1994)
(en banc); Update Art, Inc. v. Modiin Pub., Ltd., 843 F.2d 67, 73 (2d
Cir.1988) (“It
is well established that copyright laws generally do not have
extraterritorial
application.”). Thus, it is onlywhere an infringing act occurs in the
United States that
the infringement is actionable under the federal Copyright Act, giving
the federal
courts jurisdiction over the action. Sheldon v. Metro-Goldwyn Pictures
Corp., 106
F.2d 45, 52 (2d Cir. 1939) (Learned Hand, J.) (holding that the
Copyright Act gave
the federal court power over profits made from showing a copied film
outside the
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6
United States, where the negatives from which the film was printed
were made in the
United States, as the Copyright Act protects an author’s right to make
a transcription
orrecordingfromwhich the work canbereproduced);P&DInt’l v.
HalseyPub.Co.,
672 F. Supp. 1429, 1432-33 (S.D. Fla. 1987) (finding subject matter
jurisdiction over
copyright action where complaint alleged that defendant copied
American-
copyrighted film in Florida and then showed the film in international
waters aboard
cruise ship, as “to the extent that part of an ‘act’ of infringement
occurs within this
country, although such act be completed in a foreign jurisdiction,
those who
contributed to the act within the United States may be liable under
U.S. copyright
law”; citing 3 M. Nimmer, Nimmer on Copyright, § 17.02 at 17-5).
Where a person imports an infringing work into the United States, the
federal
courts have jurisdiction over the action for infringement because:
Section 106 of Title 17 grants the owner of a copyright the exclusive
rights "to do and to authorize" certain acts, among which are the
reproduction and distribution of the copyrighted work. The
distribution
right includes the right to import copies of the work.
GB Marketing USA Inc. v. Gerolsteiner Brunnen GmbH & Co., 782 F. Supp.
763,
772-73 (W.D.N.Y. 1991) (citing 2 Melville B. Nimmer & David Nimmer,
Nimmer
on Copyright § 8.11[B] (1990)). In GB Marketing, the court found
subject matter
jurisdiction over a bottled water distributor’s copyright infringement
action against
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7
a foreign bottler: though the bottler applied the labels to bottles in
Germany, the
labels were specifically designed for marketing in the United States,
the bottles were
packaged for shipment to the United States, and the bottler sold them
to a company
which imported themto the United States. Id. Thus,theimportation
oftheinfringing
work is an infringing act occurring in the United States.
Here,the court found that Braun imported over 25 copies of The
SourceCourse
into the United States, to sell them to customers. Braun does not
contend that this
finding was clearly erroneous. This is sufficient to support federal
copyright
jurisdiction, as it was done in the United States, and as 17 U.S.C. §
106(3) outlaws
distributing copies of copyrighted materials. Thus, the district court
had subject
matter jurisdiction over this case.
B. Personal Jurisdiction
Before answering the complaint, Braun filed a three-page “Motion to
Dismiss
or for Change of Venue.” (R.1-13.) In the motion, he did not once use
the words
“personal” or “jurisdiction,” and the whole substance of his motion
was directed at
venue. Nonetheless,henowcontends that he raised the issueofpersonal
jurisdiction,
and that the court erred by stating in its post-trial order that he
did not contest
personal jurisdiction. He argues that the district court lacked
personal jurisdiction,
and thus that the district court’s judgment should be vacated.
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8
It is well-settled that lack of personal jurisdiction is a waivable
defect, and that
a defendant waives any objection to the district court’s jurisdiction
over his person
by not objecting to it in a responsive pleading or a Fed. R. Civ. P.
12 motion.
Lipofsky v. New York State Workers Comp. Bd., 861 F.2d 1257, 1258
(11th Cir.
1988). It is also well-settled that we do not consider the issue of
personal jurisdiction
raised for the first time on appeal. Gen. Trading Inc. v. Yale
Materials Handling
Corp., 119 F.3d 1485, 1496 n.22 (11th Cir. 1997).
A review of the motion at issue shows clearly that it was a motion
challenging
venue,and not personal jurisdiction. Though venueand personal
jurisdiction involve
some of the same factors, a motion challenging venue is not effective
to preserve the
issue of personal jurisdiction. Guardian Title Co. v. Sulmeyer, 417 F.
2d 1290, 1292
(9th Cir. 1969) (holding that defendant’s motion challenged venue and
was therefore
insufficient to preserve for appeal the issue of personal
jurisdiction); Branic v.
Wheeling Steel Corp., 152 F.2d 887, 888 (3d Cir. 1945) (same).
Braun points out that the Plaintiffs’ response to his motion discussed
personal
jurisdiction, and argues that the Plaintiffs understood him to raise
the issue. The
district court did not interpret the venue motion as raising an
objection to personal
jurisdiction. Thus, we look to Braun’s papers and pleadings alone to
determine
whether he objected to the district court’s jurisdiction over his
person. See Fed. R.
Page 9
9
Civ. P. 12(g) & (h) (stating that a party who fails to object to
personal jurisdiction in
the first of either his answer or Rule 12 motion waives the
objection); Fed. R. Civ. P.
7(b)(1) (“[a]n application to the court for an order shall be by
motion which . . . shall
state with particularity the grounds therefor . . .”); Davis v. Hill
Eng’g, Inc, 549 F.2d
314, 324-25 (5th Cir. 1977) (holding that defendant waived his
objection to service
of process by not stating it with particularity in his motion
challenging venue under
the Jones Act, 46 U.S.C. § 688). Because Braun’s motion clearly raised
only venue,
and not personal jurisdiction, we conclude that he waived any
objection to the court’s
jurisdiction over his person.
C. Venue
Plaintiffs advanced several theories of recovery in their complaint,
invoking
the district court’s federal question and diversity jurisdiction,
under 28 U.S.C. §§
1331 and 1332, as well as the court’s jurisdiction over copyright
claims under 28
U.S.C. § 1338. They pleaded facts in support of the district court’s
venue over all the
actions. In his motion challenging venue, Braun contended only that
the Middle
District of Florida was not the proper venue to decide the copyright
claim, as the
venue requirements of 28 U.S.C. § 1400(a) were not met. On appeal, he
argues that
the facts of the case were facially insufficient to support a §
1400(a) venue.
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10
A civil suit to enforce the Copyright Act may be brought in any
district “in
which the defendant or his agent resides or may be found.” 28 U.S.C. §
1400(a). A
defendant “may be found” in a district in which he could be served
with process; that
is, in a district which may assert personal jurisdiction over the
defendant. Milwaukee
Concrete Studios v. Field Mfg. Co., 8 F.3d 441, 445-46 (7th Cir. 1993)
(holding that
venue was proper in a district to which a corporation and an
individual had imported
a copyright-infringing sculpture,as that district would have personal
jurisdiction over
them based on the state’s long-arm statute); Payne v. Kristofferson,
631 F. Supp. 39,
44 (N.D. Ga. 1985); Foxworthy v. Custom Tees, Inc., 879 F. Supp. 1200,
1207 (N.D.
Ga. 1995).
Here, Braun appeared before the district court without contesting the
court’s
jurisdiction over his person or his amenability to process in the
district. By his
consent to personal jurisdiction, Braun was “found” in the Middle
District of Florida
for purposes of § 1400(a) venue. Thus, the district court did not
abuse its discretion
in denying his venue motion.
V. CONCLUSION
The district court properly had subject matter jurisdiction over the
copyright
claim brought by Palmer and Star’s Edge. Braun consented to the
district court’s
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jurisdiction over his person; thus, the Middle District of Florida was
a proper venue
for the copyright action.
AFFIRMED.
S
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
>
> > >> >> >> > He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
>
> > >> >> >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&t...
>
> > >> >> >> Have another look at his picture on the site. I've no doubt it's him
> > >> >> >> now; just a little older, and now sporting a tan and a real smile (not
> > >> >> >> that Tone40 facsimile) since he's not locked up in SP hall getting
> > >> >> >> belittled daily (hourly) by DM.
>
> > >> >> >> TT- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> >> >I agree. It's definately him in that photo.
>
> > >> >> So, he's been moonlighting at We The People long before he left the cult?
>
> > >> >They started systematically removing references to him (and McShane)
> > >> >from all official web sites and documentation in September 2005.
> > >> >There's no way to tell, short of talking to him, when he actually got
> > >> >out.
>
> > >> In 2005? I believe you're in error there. Wasn't the issue about his
> > >> whereabouts first raised here last year because his pages on Scn sites
> > >> had disappeared then?
>
> > >> >I just got a confirmation email from John Kelley, managing editor at
> > >> >hell of an investigative reporter and has been promoted to news
> > >> >director".
>
> > >> >I'm still trippin' on the fact that this has been missed for so long.
> > >> >Here everyone thinks he's dead or under 24 hour watch by the dwarf,
> > >> >and it turns out he blew over a year ago and is doing just fine in the
> > >> >wog world.
>
> > >> >TT
>
> > >I've been following this stuff for about 4 years now, and 2+ years ago
> > >article on Clambake for any new information on their whereabouts.
>
> > >The article is so old now, Andreas moved it off the front page and
> > >relegated it to the "moved items" bin in favor of all the new stuff on
> > >Anonymous, exscientologykids.org, Marc Headley and Jason Beghe
> > >interviews, etc.
>
> > >started running the story in October 2005.
>
> > >TT
>
> > Ah well, I've been on ARS since 1996, and honestly I can't remember
> > hearing about his disappearance until last year, or maybe 2006. But that
> > doesn't mean that you're wrong. After so many years here, there's lots of
> > things that passes me by without me knowing it :-)
>
> No sweat. I managed to get him mixed up with Mike Rinder in my initial
> excitement at the news.
>
> you'd like to have a look:
>
> http://www.xenu.net/archive/rtc/
>
> And here's the link from the WayBack Machine for Oct. 13, 2005 when it
> first appeared on the main page:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20051013064446/http://clambake.org/
>
> As you may be aware, the WayBack machine won't archivewww.xenu.net,
> exact same server and content.
>
> TT
Thirsty thetan. Does that means you are an Alcoholic?
Why don't you as Narconon to help you?
Out_Of_The_Dark
Good news!
I also wrote and said that if this was not a joke and it was indeed
the Marty of cult fame, that the site would be getting lots of web
hits and messages, possibly even from from you know who.
I only though it fair to give them the heads up, lol! :p
Mary McConnell
http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com
Out_Of_The_Dark
Bump
Beth
Excellent. Thanks for letting us know.
beth
Thirsty Thetan
Just changing the title again to reflect the confirmation received by
Out of the Dark and I yesterday.
TT
banchukita
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> >> >started running the story in October 2005.
>
> >> >TT
>
> >> Ah well, I've been on ARS since 1996, and honestly I can't remember
> >> hearing about his disappearance until last year, or maybe 2006. But that
> >> doesn't mean that you're wrong. After so many years here, there's lots of
> >> things that passes me by without me knowing it :-)
>
> >No sweat. I managed to get him mixed up with Mike Rinder in my initial
> >excitement at the news.
>
> >BTW, here's the link to "Marty and Warren's Excellent Adventure" if
> >you'd like to have a look:
>
> >http://www.xenu.net/archive/rtc/
>
> >And here's the link from the WayBack Machine for Oct. 13, 2005 when it
> >first appeared on the main page:
>
> >http://web.archive.org/web/20051013064446/http://clambake.org/
>
> >As you may be aware, the WayBack machine won't archivewww.xenu.net,
> >exact same server and content.
>
> >TT
>
> Oh fuck, thanks. Yeah now I remember :-)
>
> It's possible then that he blew back in 2005, so he's had a couple of
> years to adjust to the wog world.
>
> One would only wish that he should take some responsibility for his year
> as a top scn leader, and start spilling the beans to the proper
> authorities.
Maybe he's working on an investigative news piece. We can only hope.
-maggie, human being
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
That is highly unlikely. More likely, almost 100% certain is that he was
forced to sign a non disclosure agreement with the cult, before they let
him out into the wog world again.
Therefore i will not hold my breath waiting for something incriminating
for the cult, coming from Mark Rathbun's mouth or pen.
Thirsty Thetan
I found yesterday that he appears to have started writing essays/
articles in May 2007. Some of them read like an amends project as they
are filled with Scientology jargon and principles. Link here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/75039/mark_rathbun.html
Looking over his work for We the People, it appears that he is focused
mainly on Corpus Christi socio-political issues, with no hint at
"religious" investigation. But, as you said, we can hope that he will
speak about his experience with the wheezing dwarf and the cult at
some point.
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: Mark C. "Marty" Rathbun alive and well --
confirmed:
Fuck yeah, he's still a believer in Hubbard and Scn by the looks of
things.
Example:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/277790/simple_ways_for_improving_relationships.html?cat=41
Tom Klemesrud
Here is a link to my response of one of his investigative reporting
articles--
Out_Of_The_Dark
I didn't receive confirmation. I just wrote my comment via the papers
contact page & never got a reply. Sorry if you mistook my comment as a
confirmation
Did you see Tom Klemesrud's comment ?
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
you mean as a FORMER "high official in the Scientology cult " :)
"This article would carry more weight if the writer of the article,
Mark (Marty) Rathbun, were to come clean and reveal the covert
operations he knows of as a high official in the Scientology cult in
Los Angeles. I would particularly like to know about the covert
operation against me, commonly referred to as "Miss Bloody Butt" all
over the internet.
Mark Rathbun has much he should tell us all about the criminal
activites of the Scientology cult.
It has been written on the newsgroup alt.,religion.scientology that
WtP writer Rathbun, is the same Scientology Rathbun, by John Kelley,
Editor, "
Thirsty Thetan
wrote:
Sorry, I did misread your post. I have the email from John Kelley if
anyone wants to see it. The picture alone is all the "proof" I needed,
so the confirmation from his employer was just icing on the cake,
along with all of the Scientologese-laden articles he penned back in
2007.
I did see Tom's comment, and I believe it's entirely justified. Like
others have already said, I believe Rathbun should come clean to the
public about the operations he supervised and participated in with OSA
and RTC management. And as I said in a previous post, I believe he
could work a deal for immunity if he ever decided to turn over
evidence that would implicate the dwarf and other top officials.
Besides, any gag order/contract he would have signed upon exit from
the cult would be null and void if it can be show that it's only being
used to hide evidence of crimes.
TT
Tom Klemesrud
He knows of it, as of his being (perhaps in the past) a high official in
the cult. But, what if he's not out? What if he's been sent to Corpus
Christi to do another Clearwater-type take over of the city?
The editor and vice president of the mainstream newspaper points out an
ethos problem with the area since Rathbun's arrival in Corpus Christi--
http://www.caller.com/news/2008/may/04/we-should-all-ask----whats-wrong-with-us/
Rathbun responds in a scieno-like attack--
Tom Klemesrud
> On Jun 11, 12:02 am, "John" <j...@junk.com> wrote:
>
>>>"Thirsty Thetan" <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:948c5e12-2982-41ae...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>>Blown, but not talking. Can't say I blame him. He's should have enough
>>>dirt to bury the dwarf and shut down the cult, but has probably been
>>>threatened with pain of death or worse if he tries to bring any of it
>>>into the light of justice.
>>
>>Not to mention implicate himself.
>
>
> True, but I would think he could work a deal for immunity by
> testifying for the prosecution.
>
> TT
Yes he could, but the feds would have to put him in a witness protection
program that he is not now in.
What's keeping him safe most likely are documents in a safety box to be
opened upon an untimely demise. Or, he could still be in, as his
writing suggests.
Quaoar
> On Jun 10, 9:12 pm, Quaoar <qua...@marcabfleet.net> wrote:
>> Thirsty Thetan wrote:
>>> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>>> http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>>> TT
>> documentation?
>>
>> Jebuz! Maybe Monica should change her viewpoint.
>
> What does this have to do with me?
Nothing. It was just a poke. You passed the test: stimulus-response.
Q
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > you mean as a FORMER "high official in the Scientology cult " :)
>
> He knows of it, as of his being (perhaps in the past) a high official in
> the cult. But, what if he's not out? What if he's been sent to Corpus
> Christi to do another Clearwater-type take over of the city?
>
> The editor and vice president of the mainstream newspaper points out an
> ethos problem with the area since Rathbun's arrival in Corpus Christi--
>
>
> Rathbun responds in a scieno-like attack--
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom, I don't see his article the way you see it.
If I lived there and saw what was happening to that beach, for
example, I'd probably be writing something long the same lines. All
he's doing it putting the missing pieces into the puzzle to
demonstrate how entrenched the business community is in protecting the
powers that be.
Whether he's out or not and what his motives are for being in that
area and writing for that paper are another issue that require more
information. I appreciate your comment on his article because it put
things in perspective where they should be, as far we are concerned as
former victims of that cult. he's got some explaining to do and the
proof will be in whether he eventually rises up to that. I just can't
believe he's writing on the internet, where his enemies and people
like Barbara Schwarz can find him! I bet he didn't think about that
when he started up in 2007.
How he handles it will say alot.
I do think an email to him via the paper would have been the better
gradient approach because he can just ignore your comment as hostile
or the editor can just delete it and you are back to where you were.
Try contacting him and offering to talk. You never know , it mighty
turn out to be a good thing.
Mary
Thirsty Thetan
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > you mean as a FORMER "high official in the Scientology cult " :)
>
> He knows of it, as of his being (perhaps in the past) a high official in
> the cult. But, what if he's not out? What if he's been sent to Corpus
> Christi to do another Clearwater-type take over of the city?
>
> The editor and vice president of the mainstream newspaper points out an
> ethos problem with the area since Rathbun's arrival in Corpus Christi--
>
>
> Rathbun responds in a scieno-like attack--
>
I have also thought that this could be a covert operation by the cult;
it appears he dropped the $cn proselytizing pretty early on after
starting up his writing career. ARC, GE and thetan don't play too well
with the general public. Rather than spark interest in $cn, it pretty
much makes a person sound like a loon.
I agree that he went on the offensive with his rebuttal article.
"Always attack, never defend" in action it seems. You can take the man
out of the cult, but it's pretty hard to get the cult out of the man.
Since he's only been in the Corpus Christi area for a few years, I
don't think he's had enough experience to judge, so this behavior also
points to $cn-type tactics being used.
TT
Out_Of_The_Dark
>
> - Show quoted text -
hahaha! You're afraid to admit it's him, aren't you?!!! Well, it is
him and you are a coward.
Tom Klemesrud
> Tom, I don't see his article the way you see it.
>
> If I lived there and saw what was happening to that beach, for
> example, I'd probably be writing something long the same lines. All
> he's doing it putting the missing pieces into the puzzle to
> demonstrate how entrenched the business community is in protecting the
> powers that be.
>
> Whether he's out or not and what his motives are for being in that
> area and writing for that paper are another issue that require more
> information. I appreciate your comment on his article because it put
> things in perspective where they should be, as far we are concerned as
> former victims of that cult. he's got some explaining to do and the
> proof will be in whether he eventually rises up to that. I just can't
> believe he's writing on the internet, where his enemies and people
> like Barbara Schwarz can find him! I bet he didn't think about that
> when he started up in 2007.
> How he handles it will say alot.
> I do think an email to him via the paper would have been the better
> gradient approach because he can just ignore your comment as hostile
> or the editor can just delete it and you are back to where you were.
> Try contacting him and offering to talk. You never know , it mighty
> turn out to be a good thing.
>
> Mary
I saw a P.O. Box, no telephone, and no email to contact him. If I
managed to get a message through, he wouldn't email me. If I gave him
my cell phone number, he and his cohorts could trace who I have called.
I know what the answer to my question is anyway...No, I'd rather see him
answer to acts he has participated in.
The "Corpus Christi Progressive Populist Caucus" now has a big
embarrassing public relations nightmare. Like the trade unions of the
past hiring the mafia to get their way; it seems CCPPC may have
contracted scientology to get their way. Wonder what the endgame is, as
I ponder the covert dirty tricks yet to come in Corpus Christi.
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom, your comment was not posted as you thought. Only to that link you
provided which is not linked to the article. There are still -0-
comments showing.
I emailed you his phone number.
Tom Klemesrud
TUESDAY MEETING
By Les Cassidy - Feb 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am EST
Also listed in: Corpus Christi for Obama | South Texans for Barack |
Texas Action Team
Thank you for your willingness to support and volunteer in the Obama for
America presidential campaign. In Nueces County we are meeting Tuesday,
February 12, at 5:00 p.m. at the Progressive Center, which is located at
413 Waco St., near the Nueces County Courthouse, Corpus Christi, Texas.
You will meet other volunteers and be able to exchange contact
information to coordinate your grassroots efforts with other supporters
and organizations.
The local campaign will need volunteers to staff the election
headquarters through March 5, including block-walkers, phone callers,
public relations staffers, writers, and workers of every sort.
We will discuss and distribute information about becoming a delegate for
Obama at the county, state, and national conventions. There will be
additional information and training about this critical element of the
election process as the campaign progresses.
We look forward to the arrival of national campaign staff/organizers and
the opening of a national campaign office in Corpus Christi. Juan
Garcia is doing his best to be here tomorrow with dates and times for
future visits by national leaders (Senator Obama?).
Lastly, you will be able to meet long time Obama supporters and
volunteers, including Chris Barrett, President of Islander Democrats,
Twila Mouttet, Sylvia Samaniego, founder of the Corpus Christi
Progressive Populist Caucus, and Mark Rathburn, organizer of South Texas
for Obama, and others who will be working with you during the next three
weeks.
Tom Klemesrud
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/markrathbun/CyXY/commentary
Post from mark rathbun's Blog:
Corpus Christi Obama Office
By Southtexasforobama - Feb 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm EST
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I spoke with Juan Garcia and with the national field director of Obama’s
campaign. It is anticipated that national staff will arrive in Corpus
Christi tonight. An office will be opened. They are shooting for doing
so by this Saturday. They said, while they appreciate the anxiety to get
something organized here quickly - particularly with the Clinton
announcement in the CT about Wednesday - Obama is not ignoring the other
several primaries set to occur prior to March 4. If she is a few days
ahead, it means nothing - particularly if she is not here to stay. Obama
is opening an office here - confirmed! It is better for us to await the
announcement of the office opening and be there en masse for the
ocassion, rather than have a premature, off shoot office opening confuse
the message and potentially steal the thunder of the actual office
opening. Apparently, a meeting is still on for tomorrow at the PPC on
Waco Street for all who want to start a grass roots volunteer movement
of some sort. In the meantime, it is not the opening of the official
Obama '08 office - that will come later in the week. You’ll be the first
to know the actual day and time - and personnel involved - in the
opening of the official office. It will be a few short days away.
Mark Rathbun
Tom Klemesrud
Thirsty Thetan
> http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/markrathbun
I don't get it. Is there some nefarious plan involving Obama winning the
election that will help the cult?
You would think that Rathbun would be either hiding out (like Mike Rinder)
or speaking out (like Tory) if he blew from the cult. What possible
scenario has him in the public eye, writing for a leftist news
organization, and campaigning for Obama, with all the bad history he has
from the cult?
TT
Tom Klemesrud
> Tom Klemesrud wrote:
>
>
>>http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/markrathbun
>
>
> I don't get it. Is there some nefarious plan involving Obama winning the
> election that will help the cult?
Obvious answer would be an appointment...maybe white house chief of
staff, or commissioner of the IRS :) But some appointment would be the
obvious benefit.
>
> You would think that Rathbun would be either hiding out (like Mike Rinder)
> or speaking out (like Tory) if he blew from the cult. What possible
> scenario has him in the public eye, writing for a leftist news
> organization, and campaigning for Obama, with all the bad history he has
> from the cult?
>
> TT
He can't hide out if he is gonna be groomed for a big public office.
The FBI would find it in the vetting.
Let's see, when did Obama announce? When did scientology start erasing
all of its Rathbun traces?
PS: Is that Marty with Michelle Obama in the picture?
Skipper
In article <4851...@news2.lightlink.com>, Tom Klemesrud
Quaoar
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT).
>>> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
>>> With the Message-ID:
>>> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
>>> The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
>>>>> With the Message-ID:
>>>>> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 11:11 am, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 10:04 am, FTSOH <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT).
>>>>>>>> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
>>>>>>>> With the Message-ID:
>>>>>>>> <e229a669-6b19-4a43-a7bc-844e4e4a5...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
>>>>>>>> The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
>>>>>>>> Wrote on the subject: Mark Rathbun found?:
>>>>>>>>> Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>>>>>>>>> http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>>>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>> Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the "Scn" Rathbun after all?
>>>>>>>> He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
>>>>>>>> http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&t...
>>>>>>> Have another look at his picture on the site. I've no doubt it's him
>>>>>>> now; just a little older, and now sporting a tan and a real smile (not
>>>>>>> that Tone40 facsimile) since he's not locked up in SP hall getting
>>>>>>> belittled daily (hourly) by DM.
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> They started systematically removing references to him (and McShane)
>>> >from all official web sites and documentation in September 2005.
>>>> There's no way to tell, short of talking to him, when he actually got
>>>> out.
>>> whereabouts first raised here last year because his pages on Scn sites
>>> had disappeared then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We The People, that it is the same Marty, except that he is now "one
>>>> hell of an investigative reporter and has been promoted to news
>>>> director".
>>>> Here everyone thinks he's dead or under 24 hour watch by the dwarf,
>>>> and it turns out he blew over a year ago and is doing just fine in the
>>>> wog world.
>>>> TT
>> I was still checking the "Marty and Warren's Excellent Adventure"
>> article on Clambake for any new information on their whereabouts.
>>
>> The article is so old now, Andreas moved it off the front page and
>> relegated it to the "moved items" bin in favor of all the new stuff on
>> Anonymous, exscientologykids.org, Marc Headley and Jason Beghe
>> interviews, etc.
>>
>> A check of the wayback machine for www.clambake.org shows that Andreas
>> started running the story in October 2005.
>>
>> TT
>
> Ah well, I've been on ARS since 1996, and honestly I can't remember
> hearing about his disappearance until last year, or maybe 2006. But that
> doesn't mean that you're wrong. After so many years here, there's lots of
> things that passes me by without me knowing it :-)
>
>
Well, you had that knee operation, etc. The drugs the anesthesiologists
provide have a profound effect on short-term memory. I know this from
two spinal surgeries.
OTOH, I am mystified that the "Marty has died" mantra is being denied by
one and all.
Q
Thirsty Thetan
wrote:
No, that's not Michelle Obama. Perhaps that's his wife/girlfriend?
Sorry Babbles, but it appears Marty has moved on.
Skipper, if you'll visit his blog as linked above, you'll see another
pic of him without the goatee and hat. There's no question it's him.
Be patient, though. The page takes forever to load. Here's a link to
his full profile:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gG5DFT
He isn't dead, as can plainly be seen on the WTP site, and his
personal blog on the Obama site. Again, I have to say this boggles the
mind that he is in the open, hasn't been declared, isn't talking about
Cof$ of $cn in general, and is active in the Corpus Christi/Texas
political scene.
TT
Eldon
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:41:11 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
Yeah, well, that is certainly an epic example. I can't believe anyone
would still call Hubbard a "philosopher."
Gianluca...@gmail.com
> On 13 Juni, 16:56, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Yeah, well, that is certainly an epic example. I can't believe anyone
>
> > - Visa citerad text -
>
> Well, his writings certainly makes one wonder if he really left the
> cult, or if he's on some secret "mission for Ron (DM)"
>
> As I said before on this thread, I will not hold my breath waiting for
> any revelations about the cult, coming from the mouth of Rathbun. He's
> still indoctrinated by the Hubbardian crapola, at best, and on a
> mission for Ron(DM at worst.
full text: (Rathbun is still a full time Scientologist - down to the
core. Obama should re-thing who is supporting him)
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Interpersonal relationships can seem like a very complex subject at
times. Yet, it is relationships that make a family, a group, a town,
state, nation and civilization. Relationships left to sour can cause
untold expense and upset. Philosopher L. Ron Hubbard developed a
simple formula for strengthening, improving and repairing
relationships that you might find of some practical use.
Mr. Hubbard postulated that all human relations, no matter how
complex, include some fundamental, common elements. When one
familiarizes oneself with those elements it becomes very simple to
establish harmonious relationships, whether they be familial,
romantic, business or otherwise.
Hubbard's theory is called the ARC triangle. A equals Affinity, or
degree of liking of or willingness to occupy the same space with. R
equals Reality, those things about the perceivable environment people
agree upon as real. C equals Communication, the interchange of ideas
with another or others. When affinity, reality and communication are
combined they add up to understanding.
The goal in a relationship is to increase or strengthen understanding.
That can be accomplished by increasing, any or all of affinity,
reality and communication. If one perceives a breakdown in
communication with a friend, that communication can be restored by
demonstrating more affinity for the friend, or offering an idea that
friend can agree with (or share reality on). That simple step can
restore communication and thus increase understanding. Similarly, if
one perceives a breakdown in either or both of affinity or reality
with a friend, an increase in communication with the friend will
remedy it.
Hubbard called it the ARC triangle because as one of its corners -
affinity, reality or communication - is concentrated on and increased,
the other two elements seem to automatically expand with it. The end
result being a greater level of understanding between two or more
people. You can test the theory for yourself in any type of
relationship.
Thirsty Thetan
Just thought of this for anyone who has the time and the research
expertise:
How many of the supposed missing and/or blown former top $cn officials
might be found lurking in plain site? Makes the Rinder story more
intriguing for sure. Has Rinder been declared? Is he really selling
Toyotas? Is there a coordinated attempt at infiltrating society/
politics and "bring Scientology to the forefront of society" in motion
here?
TT
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark C. "Marty" Rathbun alive and well --
confirmed:
>On Jun 13, 10:19 am, Gianluca.Spad...@gmail.com wrote:
That is not impossible at all. As far as I know, there's been no evidence
that either Rathbun or Rinder has been declared. However even if they
were declared that could of course also be part of the OP, to make them
more credible as "blown".
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
> On Jun 11, 5:19 pm, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 3:38 pm, FTSOH <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> > > With the Message-ID:
> > > Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
> > > >On Jun 11, 11:11 am, Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Jun 11, 10:04 am, FTSOH <FT...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > >> > In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> > > >> > With the Message-ID:
> > > >> > Wrote on the subject: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
> > > >> > >Is this "the" Mark (Marty) C. Rathbun?
>
> > > >> > >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_frontpage...
>
> > > >> > >TT
>
> > > >> > Come to think of it, I wonder if that's the "Scn" Rathbun after all?
>
> > > >> > He's been writing for that "We The People" since at least May 1st 2007:
>
> > > >> >http://wethepeoplenews.ccppc.org/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&t...
>
> > > >> Have another look at his picture on the site. I've no doubt it's him
> > > >> now; just a little older, and now sporting a tan and a real smile (not
> > > >> that Tone40 facsimile) since he's not locked up in SP hall getting
> > > >> belittled daily (hourly) by DM.
>
> > > >> TT- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >I agree. It's definately him in that photo.
>
> > > So, he's been moonlighting at We The People long before he left the cult?
>
> > They started systematically removing references to him (and McShane)
> > from all official web sites and documentation in September 2005.
> > There's no way to tell, short of talking to him, when he actually got
> > out.
>
> > We The People, that it is the same Marty, except that he is now "one
> > hell of an investigative reporter and has been promoted to news
> > director".
>
> > I'm still trippin' on the fact that this has been missed for so long.
> > Here everyone thinks he's dead or under 24 hour watch by the dwarf,
> > and it turns out he blew over a year ago and is doing just fine in the
> > wog world.
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I also wrote and said that if this was not a joke and it was indeed
> the Marty of cult fame, that the site would be getting lots of web
> hits and messages, possibly even from from you know who.
> I only though it fair to give them the heads up, lol! :p
>
> Mary McConnellhttp://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com
I am not wasting my time at this site.
And that reporter is not the Scientologist, not the original Mark
Rathbun.
If you want to have a Mark Rathbun, I won't stop you dating the
reporter.
However, I want the original Marty, the Scientologist and the non-
infiltrator and non-impostor.
---
Who is Paul Horner aka Paul Durks aka Darude and a lousy zoo full of
other sockpuppets? I describe Paul as typical ultra low and lawless
anti-religious extremist scum.
Right now, he imposters me under ID Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net.
He stole the name of Mark or Marty Rathbun and my name Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:17:04 -0700 (PDT).
> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> With the Message-ID:
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Mark Rathbun found?:
>
>
>
> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT).
> >> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> >> With the Message-ID:
> >> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
> >> The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
>
> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:42:23 -0700 (PDT).
> >> >> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> >> >> With the Message-ID:
> >> >> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
> >> >> The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
>
> >> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT).
> >> >> >> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
> >> >> >> With the Message-ID:
> >> >> >> And the Organization Header:http://groups.google.com.
> >> >> >> The famous author: Thirsty Thetan <bmacli...@gmail.com>.
> >> >> >> whereabouts first raised here last year because his pages on Scn sites
> >> >> >> had disappeared then?
>
> >> >> >> >We The People, that it is the same Marty, except that he is now "one
> >> >> >> >hell of an investigative reporter and has been promoted to news
> >> >> >> >director".
>
> >> >> >> >I'm still trippin' on the fact that this has been missed for so long.
> >> >> >> >Here everyone thinks he's dead or under 24 hour watch by the dwarf,
> >> >> >> >and it turns out he blew over a year ago and is doing just fine in the
> >> >> >> >wog world.
>
> forced to sign a non disclosure agreement with the cult, before they let
> him out into the wog world again.
>
> Therefore i will not hold my breath waiting for something incriminating
> for the cult, coming from Mark Rathbun's mouth or pen.
1) Marty is a real Scientologist.
2) Marty is afraid of nobnody
3) Marty can't be bought
4) You are an idiot.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 12, 10:17 am, banchukita <banchuk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> articles in May 2007. Some of them read like an amends project as they
> are filled with Scientology jargon and principles. Link here:
>
> http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/75039/mark_rathbun.html
>
> Looking over his work for We the People, it appears that he is focused
> mainly on Corpus Christi socio-political issues, with no hint at
> "religious" investigation. But, as you said, we can hope that he will
> speak about his experience with the wheezing dwarf and the cult at
> some point.
>
> TT
Duh! That's because it is not the same person.
Barbara Schwarz
--
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 12, 2:37 pm, Tom Klemesrud <tomk...@netscape.delleat.net>
> wrote:
People like me, Mary? Nobody is like me. And Marty would love to see
me but he is not this reporter.
Knowing Marty, I can tell you that he does not like the attention of a
primitive, cheap and stupid woman as yourself.
Now go back to hell, where you originally came from.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> hahaha! You're afraid to admit it's him, aren't you?!!! Well, it is
> him and you are a coward.
I saw pictures of women who looked so much like me, that even I was
fooled thinking it was me on the picture.
Nobody who knows me would call me a coward.
I would like nothing more than finding the real Mark Rathbun.
However, remark "Mark Rathbun has forgotten to think that Barbara
Schwarz can find him when he writes as reporter" is a defamation of my
character. Apparently, this reporter is not afraid of me (and there is
also no need as I am not like you extremist), and if you ask me, he
wants to be found. However, the real Marty Rathbun can't contact me
because he knows of the German secret service that they blow my lights
out as soon as he makes one step towards me, and he tries to protect
my life.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
The original Marty Rathbun wasn't a leftist.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
>
> Post from mark rathbun's Blog:
> Corpus Christi Obama Office
> By Southtexasforobama - Feb 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm EST
> Also listed in: Corpus Christi for Obama | Texas for Obama
> Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content
>
> I spoke with Juan Garcia and with the national field director of Obama’s
> campaign. It is anticipated that national staff will arrive in Corpus
> Christi tonight. An office will be opened. They are shooting for doing
> so by this Saturday. They said, while they appreciate the anxiety to get
> something organized here quickly - particularly with the Clinton
> announcement in the CT about Wednesday - Obama is not ignoring the other
> several primaries set to occur prior to March 4. If she is a few days
> ahead, it means nothing - particularly if she is not here to stay. Obama
> is opening an office here - confirmed! It is better for us to await the
> announcement of the office opening and be there en masse for the
> ocassion, rather than have a premature, off shoot office opening confuse
> the message and potentially steal the thunder of the actual office
> opening. Apparently, a meeting is still on for tomorrow at the PPC on
> Waco Street for all who want to start a grass roots volunteer movement
> of some sort. In the meantime, it is not the opening of the official
> Obama '08 office - that will come later in the week. You’ll be the first
> to know the actual day and time - and personnel involved - in the
> opening of the official office. It will be a few short days away.
>
> Mark Rathbun
The Marty Rathbun who I know would rather run for president than
becoming the campaign organizer for a candidate.
Marty is much larger than this.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Well, there is always the possibility that I should think it is the
real Marty. If he would attack SCN, I would know right away that this
is not the real Marty.
There is one thing that is also very very odd. Marty is very
responsible. If he really would have married Anne and divorced her, he
would have handled the divorce professionally and not as a no show.
As I said, evidence points clearly into that there were at least two
Mark Rathbun's in Scientology.