What Really Happened to Shawn
Out_Of_The_Dark
links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
the money was exchanged.
The subpoena says they ( CoS ) had reason to believe he was acting in
concert with Patricia Greenway and Peter Alexander . That all were to
be deposed. Problem is, where are THEIR depos? Why were'nt they
arrested for violating the injunction THER were under?
Instead, Shawn gets dragged into court and Cult Watch is finished
forever. That he popped up for the BBC special, I have no doubt that
Greenway arranged that. She arranged other media events in that area
and knew how to reach Shawn whan none of the other critics knew where
to find him.
Here are some pages Shawn posted to his photobucket page:
They are the most specific pages of the Supoena and the injunction,
proving why
he was dragged into court:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT-sup-1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT-Sup-1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMTattach.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMTattach-1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT%20supeona%20scans/LMT-sup.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT%20supeona%20scans/LMT-sup-1.jpg
But how did Tommy Davis find Shawn and the interviewwr on the roof
they chose as a secret location. Only Patricia Greenway, Peter
Alexander or Luke Lirot his lawyer would have known about this
location in advance.
If you read the papers he was served, he had to turn in all sorts of
paperwork and info related to his protests,. Info on his web site,
videos, ... He was, in my estimation, set up to be shut down. As I
just wrote Arnie, it would not have mattered about the $100 because
they already had him placed with Greenway and Peter on the sidewalk
where he'd been protesting all along. The $ issue would not be needed
if they could shut him up by using the depo court fear tactics.
Read Shawn's post about him being served the injunction. Then read the
important links he posted later, with the full paperwork of subpoenas
and injunctions. Read his later 'Greenway is no way osa' post but
first read here, where he posts about getting served, showing only a
few pages of the injunction and subpoena:
DOWNTOWN SHOOT DAY 18....The LMT and me?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/5ada4d047e41610c
DOWNTOWN SHOOT DAY 18....The LMT and me? injunction served
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/700ce4146b9f0ac0/5ada4d047e41610c?
Shawn posts about being Subpoened again, with the complete subpoena
and injunction he received included:
DOWNTOWN SHOOT DAYS 1-19..THE END?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/35252a2e772ce392/65e58033cf33072f?lnk=st&q=#65e58033cf33072f
Then read his explanation in his post 'Greenway is no way OSA':
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "girvin" <slonsd...@scienotimes.com>
Date: 28 Nov 2006 08:29:53 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 28 2006 11:29 am
Subject: Greenway is no way OSA
This is all i will say on the subject....when i was first approached
by Peter Alexander and Patricia Greenway i had no idea who they
were... They were seen by the corner video cam i assume,and later
identified also, they were verbally assaulted by Ron Savelo who did
not recognize them either and i am sure ran them to find out who he
yelled at seeing as i played with his head a little about it...we did
go to a late lunch at a place picked off the cuff seeing as the first
was unexpectedly closed...we did sit at a place easily seen from the
surrounding
area...patricia did give me 100.00 for a comp. program to get video up
on the net (which was not adequate for my cam setup and never able to
be used) price=98.99. I related all this when i recieved the
injunction stuff with a third party and rolled the whole thing over
and over until a scenario was assumed...setup?
Still unsure i decided to let time and actions tell the tale and did a
little invest. into the LMT and it's takedown...i came to the
conclusion that the LMT did it's own damage for the most part and was
not fully aware of the full scope of problems that the constant
infighting and personality differences would eventually do.....it's a
long story. Anyhow despite all the hard work and good intentions
everyone split into two camps...and still to this day hold their
positions...water under the bridge now.
Later on an OSA rep. asked me why i had revealed in the depo that she
gave me the 100.00 seeing as they had no idea that she did and it
would make their case for them...i had to reply the obvious that it
was the truth and to lie would be wrong and seeing as i had not met
them before and that no contract was entered into it was a mute point
anyhow...soon the depo will be webbed and you can read most of it
here. [..]
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/6bd0bd555...
In looking at the subpoena and Shawn's posts on what happened, it was
clear that it was what she and Peter did before she gave him the $100
that got him subpoened. Which they knew better than to violate.
Peter and Patricia violated the injunction and were not charged with
violating it. How did they get away with that, not even being deposed?
How did she manage to get off on not being in violation but Shawn was
dragged into court for a depo.? Only Shawn is shown in court records
as being deposed.
The worst part is all that Shawn was required to bring to the depo. Is
this why his site is down? Was that part of the deal Lirot got him?
Shawn was confused about who to trust and he knew that the conflicts
between the two sides of critics were rampant and he didn't like it
one bit. He liked people from both sides of the Minton issue. We spoke
numerous times after the injunction and he didn't want to take sides,
which I respected. Some others, however, did not respect his to stop
the badmouthing. These people know who they are.
The fact is, Shawn was lied to about his property being sold. Maggie
and I tracted that property and it never changed hands. Shawn told me
it was being sold. That is what Lirot posted he heard, too. BUT IT
NEVER HAPPENED. He remained in the same house all along. His phone was
disconnected so naturally no me would think he'd still be in the same
home, seeing as he was posting about being on the brink of eviction by
mid Dec 2006. He then dropped out of site from the message boards and
Cult Watch. He and several others kept in contact, myself included. We
spoke by phone and he told me he needed to get his life in order and
get some space from the all the harassment. Patricia ( presumably) got
him on the BBC show in May 2007. There Tommy Davis shows up at his
location of interview!! Only a few people, like Greenway, Lirot and
Alexander, could have known where that interview would take place.
After the BBC show aired, we never saw him in the street or on ARS as
a critic again. WE thought he moved away and was getting his life
together. However, it looks like he was pressured into stopping his
critic efforts altogether. Was he set up? I think Greenway set him
up. Did he kill himself? I don't know. Did the police contact his
brother yet? Will there be a funeral? These are unanswered questions.
What we do know is that Scientology wanted him silent=; that Patricia
Greenway and Peter Alexander violated the terms of the injunction by
approaching him while he was picketing in areas they were prohibited
from being in. We can see from the records of the case that
Scientology did not depose or obtain a hearing on Greenway and
Alexander for violating the terms of the clearwater protesting
injunction, that Shawn was deposed and was subpoened to bring in all
his information related to his protesting,including his web site, his
videos and his photographs. His www.scienotimes.com site is owned by
someone else now and that person parked it. Lastly, who knew he was
being interviewed by Sweeney on a secluded parking garage roof and
alerted Tommy Davis? Listen to Sweeney's tribute to Shawn, about that
day on the garage roof:
Program: "FOOC: Justin Webb on US Democrat primaries 1 Mar 08" (go to
17min 30sec for the John Sweeney segment)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/fooc/?focuswin
There is much more to know. I think we owe it to Shawn to find out the
truth.
phil scott
> GREENWAY & ALEXNANDER violated the injunction per the subpoena ( see
> links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
> up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
> the money was exchanged.
>
> The subpoena says they ( CoS ) had reason to believe he was acting in
> concert with Patricia Greenway and Peter Alexander . That all were to
> be deposed. Problem is, where are THEIR depos? Why were'nt they
> arrested for violating the injunction THER were under?
>
> Instead, Shawn gets dragged into court and Cult Watch is finished
> forever. That he popped up for the BBC special, I have no doubt that
> Greenway arranged that. She arranged other media events in that area
> and knew how to reach Shawn whan none of the other critics knew where
> to find him.
>
> Here are some pages Shawn posted to his photobucket page:
>
> They are the most specific pages of the Supoena and the injunction,
> proving why
> he was dragged into court:
>
> http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT-sup-1.jpghttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMT-Sup-1.jpg
>
> http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMTattach.jpghttp://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/scientology/LMTattach-1.jpg
>
>
> But how did Tommy Davis find Shawn and the interviewwr on the roof
> they chose as a secret location. Only Patricia Greenway, Peter
> Alexander or Luke Lirot his lawyer would have known about this
> location in advance.
>
> If you read the papers he was served, he had to turn in all sorts of
> paperwork and info related to his protests,. Info on his web site,
> videos, ... He was, in my estimation, set up to be shut down. As I
> just wrote Arnie, it would not have mattered about the $100 because
> they already had him placed with Greenway and Peter on the sidewalk
> where he'd been protesting all along. The $ issue would not be needed
> if they could shut him up by using the depo court fear tactics.
>
> Read Shawn's post about him being served the injunction. Then read the
> important links he posted later, with the full paperwork of subpoenas
> and injunctions. Read his later 'Greenway is no way osa' post but
> first read here, where he posts about getting served, showing only a
> few pages of the injunction and subpoena:
>
> DOWNTOWN SHOOT DAY 18....The LMT and me? injunction servedhttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/th...
>
> Shawn posts about being Subpoened again, with the complete subpoena
> and injunction he received included:
>
> someone else now and that person parked it. Lastly, who knew he was
> being interviewed by Sweeney on a secluded parking garage roof and
> alerted Tommy Davis? Listen to Sweeney's tribute to Shawn, about that
> day on the garage roof:
>
> Program: "FOOC: Justin Webb on US Democrat primaries 1 Mar 08" (go to
>
> There is much more to know. I think we owe it to Shawn to find out the
> truth.
we do need to find out more on the issue of shawns very unusual so
called suicide... it seems that John Sweeneys news station might want
to assist also.. the follow up story, in light of what the anons are
doing would make an unbeatable story.
Phil Scott
Friendly Xenu
>GREENWAY & ALEXNANDER violated the injunction per the subpoena ( see
>links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
>up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
>the money was exchanged.
You really are a brain dead insane fucking Republican, huh?
---
"Don't threaten me, chuckles. I might be the mask
standing right next to you some day." -- Cousin Barb
Out_Of_The_Dark
When you post ignorant comments like that, all I can do is shake my
head.
Why is it so hard for diehard fans of Patricia to look beyond her
rhetoric ? Perhaps it's in part due to the trash mouth thing you all
have in common. Reality is agreement, heh?
Piltdown Man
Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote...
I hate to set foot in this whole mess, which I've studiously tried to avoid
for years, since it's completely impossible to make head or tail of it as
an onlooker, but...
<snip>
> That he popped up for the BBC special, I have no doubt that
> Greenway arranged that.
Of course. The BBC Panorama staff consists entirely of incompetents,
journalists who are unable to locate people they want to interview without
outside help. That outside help in turn can of course *only* have come from
Patricia Greenway.
> She arranged other media events in that area
> and knew how to reach Shawn whan none of the other critics knew where
> to find him.
So you personally know all critics, then, and asked every single one of
them about this matter. They all also trust you so completely that they
always tell you the whole truth about anything you want to know about.
Because otherwise, there is no way you could possibly know this.
<snip>
> But how did Tommy Davis find Shawn and the interviewwr on the roof
> they chose as a secret location.
A secret location, outside, in downtown Clearwater, in full view of god
knows how many CoS spy, sorry, "security" cameras. An interview conducted
by a BBC crew who demonstrably were under constant OSA surveillance the
whole time they were there. Yes, how CoS could *possibly* have found out
about that interview taking place other than through the hidden
machinations of the evil Patricia Greenway is a complete mystery.
> Only Patricia Greenway, Peter
> Alexander or Luke Lirot his lawyer would have known about this
> location in advance.
Why on earth would they have needed to know about it in advance? They
arrived on the scene when the interview was already well under way.
The lengths some people will go to twist easily explained facts into fodder
for their particular conspiracy theories, or their particular obsessive
personal hatreds, never ceases to amaze me.
Eldon
wrote:
> Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote...
Thank you, P.M., for bringing a rational viewpoint to this nonsense.
The Scienos had Shawn under constant surveillance (easy enough to do
in Clearwater).
jerald
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't know Eldon,
Mary makes a good point right off the start. Why wasn't Patricia
Greenway and Peter Alexander served and depoed?
jerald
l.l.lipshitz
wrote in <350894dc-5fca-43de...@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>:
[...]
| Mary makes a good point right off the start. Why wasn't Patricia
| Greenway and Peter Alexander served and depoed?
do we know they weren't?
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
time flies like an arrow. fruit flies like a banana. -gm
Piltdown Man
jerald <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote...
<snip>
> On Mar 2, 10:51 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, P.M., for bringing a rational viewpoint to this nonsense.
>> The Scienos had Shawn under constant surveillance (easy enough to do
>> in Clearwater).
>
> I don't know Eldon, Mary makes a good point right off the start.
A very good point indeed, if you're a not terribly bright conspiracy
theorist, who has trouble with the difficult concept of dates. Or the even
more difficult concept of coherency. Did you even read what she posted?
Lonsdale was served with a subpoena by CoS in 2006, for "being in concert"
with Patricia Greenway a.o.
According to Mary, this event supposedly has some link to him being
interviewed by a BBC Panorama reporter in 2007. This interview could only
take place thanks to Patricia Greenway, because she was the only person on
earth who knew how to contact Lonsdale at the time (Mary *knows* these
things). No mere BBC researchers could possibly have found him on their
own. At the same time of course, Patricia Greenway told her paymasters at
OSA about the interview she'd set up. BBC journalists clearly schedule
times and places for interviews under the direct orders of Patricia
Greenway. After all, there was no other possible way for OSA to know that
the BBC was conducting an interview with Lonsdale, in the open air, in
downtown Clearwater, in full view of CoS surveillance cameras, and
with OSA having been on their tail since the moment they set foot in
Clearwater. Thus, OSA was able to appear on the scene during the interview,
and make a complete fool of themselves in front of BBC cameras, and show
themselves for the creepy, paranoid little fucks they are in front of the
whole world.
This 2007 interview incident is in turn, she unsubtly suggests (as in the
thread title itself), somehow linked to Lonsdale's suicide in 2008.
If that's a good point, perhaps we have differing definitions of "good". Or
"point".
> Why wasn't Patricia Greenway and Peter Alexander served and depoed?
I suggest you ask that question of the people who subpoenaed and deposed
Lonsdale in 2006. I'm sure they'll supply you with an honest,
straightforward answer.
Just for the record: I hardly know who Patricia Greenway is, beyond the
fact that she is an object of hate for a small but very vocal and
persistent clique of ARS posters, all apparently personally linked to the
whole Minton/LMT fiasco. Not one of those posters seem capable of
explaining just why they hate her so much. (Based on an admittedly limited
sampling of their posts, since for years I've been trying to skip anything
to do with this interminable soap opera. But they post so much of it that
some inevitably gets through the filters. It's like trying to avoid Barbara
Schwarz completely.)
Piltdown Man
l.l.lipshitz <elk...@lycos.invalid> wrote...
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:16:23 -0800 (PST), jerald
<jerald...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in
<350894dc-5fca-43de...@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>:
>
> [...]
>
> | Mary makes a good point right off the start. Why wasn't Patricia
> | Greenway and Peter Alexander served and depoed?
>
> do we know they weren't?
Now there's what is called a Good Question (which I hadn't even thought of
asking).
phil scott
that aspect has always amazed me...... people who have been on
national TV and radio and in the press
literally dozens of times, written extensively from first hand
experience in the cult.... held junior to several
who came in from the sidelines, and ended up creating havoc and fail
at every turn.
in the end the situation defines itself.
Phil Scott
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
a key point of course.
Phil Scott
Out_Of_The_Dark
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:16:23 -0800 (PST), jerald <jerald-ja...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in <350894dc-5fca-43de-968e-70294e230...@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>:
>
> [...]
>
> | Mary makes a good point right off the start. Why wasn't Patricia
> | Greenway and Peter Alexander served and depoed?
>
> do we know they weren't?
>
> -elle
>
> --------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
>
> time flies like an arrow. fruit flies like a banana. -gm
They are not on record as being subpoened. It's right there. Only
Shawn. Notice the last stated action, and the date.
http://www.pinellascounty.org/public_records.htm
Uniform Case Pinellas Case Section Case Type Type
521999CA007430XXCICI 99007430CI 008 INJUNCTION CI
Style: HOWD RICHARD W JR
vs. MINTON ROBERT S JR
Jury Trial STIP NOTH Reason Type Disp.
Y JDMT
Filling Date Appeal Date Judg. Date Reop Date Docket Date
11/04/99 01/22/02 12/18/01
Case/Cat
INJUNCTION
10 Docket Entries, 02/22/08 to 11/24/04
Pages Date P/D Docket Entry Ver
02/22/08 CLERK INTENT TO DESTROY EVIDENCE SENT TO PLTF & DEFT
ATTYS F
07/20/06 PLAINTIFF SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM FOR DEPO SERVED F
07/17/06 PLAINTIFF AMENDED NOTICE OF TAKING VIDEO DEPO DUCES
TECUM F
07/14/06 PLAINTIFF NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION DUCES TECUM F
07/13/06 PLAINTIFF AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE OF PERMANENT INJUNCTION
SHAWN LONSDALE F
06/22/05 DEFENDANT NOTICE OF HEARING 062305 11:00 F
06/22/05 DEFENDANT NOTICE OF HEARING 062305 11:00 F
12/08/04 CLERK EVIDENCE DESTROYED (11/29/99 & 2/7/00) N
12/08/04 CLERK EVIDENCE DESTROYED (11/29/99 & 2/7/00) N
11/24/04 CLERK INTENT TO DESTROY EVID TO PLTF ATTY (12/4/00) F
DEFENDANT GREENWAY PATRICIA 99007430CI INJUNCTION 11/04/99 HOWD
RICHARD W JR 008 999099
DEFENDANT LISA MCPHERSON TRUST INC 99007430CI INJUNCTION 11/04/99
HOWD RICHARD W JR 008 999799
From To Name Type Inst Book/Page Inst # Desc Text Searched
1/5/1987 03/02/2008 GREENWAY PATRICIA 11541 / 306 Records in
System:
Oldest Date: 1/5/1987 Released Date: 2/27/2008 Request Processed:
Sun Mar 02 14:36:33 EST 2008
Displayed below, Page 1 with 11 Records: 1 thru 11 of 11
ALEXANDER PETER to WARD GRADY
Link Party Name To/Fr Other Party Inst Description File Date Book Page
Instr #
ALEXANDER PETER CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
BEZAZIAN TROY CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
BROOKS STACY CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
BUNKER MARK CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC LISA MCPHERSON TR INC COURT
9907430CI 8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
GREENWAY PATRICIA CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
JACOBSEN JEFF CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
LISA MCPHERSON TR INC CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT
9907430CI 8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
MINTON ROBERT S JR CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT
9907430CI 8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
PRINCE JESSE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
WARD GRADY CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC COURT 9907430CI
8/22/2001 11541 306 2001294876
R. Hill
They weren't picketing?
Out_Of_The_Dark
wrote:
> jerald <jerald-ja...@hotmail.com> wrote...
You misunderstand what I wrote and are actually putting a conspiracy
spin where none is. The depo has nothing to do with Patricia
arranging interviews. They are 2 separate incidents involving Patricia
with Shawn . That was while I posted them. I am writing about Shawn
and Patricia. Patricia was involved in both the depo and has been
involved in arranging interviews in th past and currently.
Many who have been interviewed by Morton were arranged either through
Patricia or through those who were arranged via Patricia. As I stated,
people who had been in contact with Shawn before his phone was
disconnected thought he moved. Lirot, Patricia's friend, was his
attorney. Either Patricia, Lirot or Alexander arranged that interview
with BBC. If you know othervise, post who.
R. Hill
<snip>
> Many who have been interviewed by Morton were arranged either through
> Patricia or through those who were arranged via Patricia. As I stated,
> people who had been in contact with Shawn before his phone was
> disconnected thought he moved. Lirot, Patricia's friend, was his
> attorney. Either Patricia, Lirot or Alexander arranged that interview
> with BBC. If you know othervise, post who.
The bottom line is that Sweeney was followed all the times by people
linked to the Church of Scientology -- there is no need to involve
anybody else to explain how Tommy Davis showed up during the
interview.
Ray.
Feisty
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
news:01c87c99$c4b81ce0$LocalHost@gateway...
I am going to start a new thread that will help newbies to understand.
They may not understand, and it is confusing. And they should ask questions or
be encouraged to look. Scolding people for not knowing doesn't mean they can't learn
and looks to isolate posters from contributing, and getting jumped on. Asking questions
is not a crime.
Patience is required and should encourage debate. They can help. Everyone is welcome.
It encourages others to search and learn by themself. And they should read for
themself. No one is in charge, new info questions and tests the information, rather
than shooting out opinions. Facts lined up nicely speak perfectly.
Example:
Thread: "Florida Coroner, Court and Witness Rehash"
(outline ideas)
VM used to get out of hosp.
Assessment of health non-medical (like J Perkins)
Treatment vitamins, blue-green algae
Salt & potassium deficiency (Indicative of drugging-chloryl hydrate/EKG?)
Witness unaware of right to kill/Release form
(list witness)
Jeanne Decuypere
summary, and other questions that encourage search for people, coroners and reasons to
handle.
----
And there were a number of coroners (looking for media) involved in other cases and a
$cn law firm that had other cases botched.
http://www.isaccorp.org/anderson/martin-lee-anderson.04.26.06.html
MIAMI -- Florida's attorney general is calling for an investigation into the medical
examiner who ruled that a 14-year-old boy beaten by guards at a juvenile boot camp died
of natural causes.
The review wouldn't cover the autopsy of the boy, Martin Lee Anderson, but it would
look for "fundamental flaws" in other autopsies conducted by Dr. Charles Siebert.
----
And a Foundation that was said to not be active, but established to handle the Lisa
McPherson
issues. Bob Minton started it and $cientology got it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson_trust
The Lisa McPherson Trust was an organization created by Bob Minton to raise public
awareness about human rights abuses allegedly committed by the Church of Scientology,
the group considered Scientology to be a cult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennetta_Slaughter
After Minton announced plans to name his group after Lisa McPherson, Slaughter quickly
registered and became the head of the Lisa McPherson Foundation [13] (with 300 members
according to Slaughter [10]), the Lisa Foundation, [14] the Friends of Lisa McPherson
Foundation, [15] and the Lisa McPherson Educational Foundation. All these organisations
were dissolved in September 2003 for failing to file the annual report.
(and they don't use fair game anymore)
The cult would be responsible for sending out the people to sway public opinion and
turn people against everyone, major critics and people who are here to learn and help
also. So that discourages debate. and intentionally would make people take control over
opinion,. the first step to not learning.
Maureen
>
Out_Of_The_Dark
Following someone around to see where they are going, is 'standard
operating proceedure' for the cult. But how did they know in advance
to have Shawn's file with them, that Shawn was meeting DSweeney uptop
the garage? CoS had his rap sheet, ready to smear him to Sweeney. t
had to be known in advance that Shawn was going to be there as well as
Seweeney being there. Listen again to Sweeney:
Out_Of_The_Dark
<piltd...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote:
> Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote...
us stayed in contact and tried to follow up when he decided to take a
break. I don't include Patricia and Patty in that group of critics
because I never discusssed qnything with them, but my communication
with Shawn was that he was tired of being broke and stressed about not
having a job, about being put in the middle of the attacks on Bunker
and Lerma, who he respected. The only job he was offered was a
referral from Lirot to clean a stripper club at nite, which he was
very uneasy about taking, and which I hope I suceeded in convincing
him not to take.
Re: Patricia involvement in the Sweeney interview:
I am of the opinion that someone snitched. I believe it was Grenway.
Knowing where which hotel one is staying in while in town is a given.
Following someone around to see where they are going, is 'standard
operating proceedure' for the cult. But how did they know in advance
to have Shawn's file with them, that Shawn was meeting DSweeney uptop
the garage? CoS had his rap sheet, ready to smear him to Sweeney. It
had to be known in advance that Shawn was going to be there as well as
Sweeney being there. Listen again to Sweeney:
Program: "FOOC: Justin Webb on US Democrat primaries 1 Mar 08" (go to
17min 30sec for the John Sweeney segment)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/fooc/?focuswin
Thereafter, Shawn stopped all critc activity. That was the goal
scientology wanted.
Feisty
"Out_Of_The_Dark" <xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5d933bb6-487b-4f9d...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
And once the cult ops are present, here are some examples. This was a major idea behind
the discovery of the confusion techniques. An important link to whether people can take
the 100 bills, as easy as Derron Brown passes off paper money for fish at the market:
http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/about37556.html
In article<EcIkc.13559$fR1....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>, Feisty
<su...@skytoday.com> writes:
Quote:
Hubbard created his own version.... and here is the trick!
L. Ron Hubbard on Agreement
You know that you can frighten a person suddenly and they go into
a hypnotic trance? And if you were to frighten a person suddenly
and say something real fast to them, you'd lay in a beautiful
engram?
How strange. At one demo in east Grinstead, the clams --- I am
fairly convinced though we could never pin it down with the police --
a dozen cans of strong beer to mess with and assault our picketers.
Later, when we picketed their exhibition in Birmingham, a little OSA
turd sort of jumped across my field of vision saying, softly and
quickly, "that tramp's looking for you again."
It now occurs to me the witch-doctor was trying to put a juju on me.
How extraordinary; I just thought he was mad.
(Thanks Dave Bird for helping too in the pursuit of understanding)
---
http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/jeffreyquiros.htm
Arnie: What did he tell you to do or say??
Mr. Gorman: To whisper very mean things into the ear of the person I was
picketing whenever there were a group of people coming so that she would react
badly in front of the people and look like a psycho-path. He told me
to say specifically, "Kristi, you like to fuck little cats" "you
practice bestiality" and then we both started laughing.. and to call her
"psycho", because we knew this would get her upset.
Jeff Quiros also told me; "You can do anything to an SP and not get into
trouble for it" "A suppressive group is made up of a bunch of SP's." He said
"Get little kids around the neighborhood to pop the lady's tires,
ruin her plants and break some windows in her house, give them candy for doing
these deeds."
He said: "When the police finally arrive from the picketing, make them believe
that we are completely normal people and the people we are
picketing are psychotic and paranoid. Be friendly with the police and become
their friends, and make them like you.
Arnie: What effect did your efforts have upon the police?
Mr. Gorman: Based on Jeff Quiros instruction to me, I was not just friendly
with the police, but I became their friends. I would tell the police that
Kristi was a psycho, tell them that she pickets our church.
After a while, the police stopped responding to Kristi and Peach's telephone
calls, when Scientology would harass her at home. But Peaches
would call the police every time, after a while the police stopped coming.
Jeff Quiros said: "After 6 times the police come to that location in one week,
the police will stop coming because they will believe the person
calling them is psychotic and paranoid. He told me if it ever comes to a time
when we all have to go to court, not to worry about it because the
Scientology lawyers are great and they will tell us how to act and behave and
to just do exactly what they say. Lying under Oath is a normal thing
for Scientologists because it's the greatest good for the greatest
number of dynamics, and we are doing nothing wrong by changing the
story since they are suppressive (bad) people and Scientologists are
here to save the planet from those people. Then he said "SP's and
suppressive groups hate all organizations that fix peoples lives and help
people, and they want to ruin those people and organizations utterly.
Scientology is the only organization that does this on the planet"
Mr. Gorman: We became their 'friends'; they started to believe that she was
'crazy'
Arnie: Did the police continue to respond?
Mr. Gorman: After they came to Peaches Pook's home about ten times the
police stopped coming.
Arnie: So, would it be fair to say, that this is the one part of scientology
that really works?
Mr. Gorman: Yes, it is the only part. He was making fun of Judges in general
saying they look like Penguins and how they think they are all
mighty and great. He said Judges do their jobs as well as nuns do, and he began
to laugh, the joke was, he said that there is no God and so those
people serving God don't do anything anyway.
It was common knowledge that SP's (Suppressive persons, enemies of scientology)
are subject to being tricked, lied to, sued, or destroyed -
they have no regard for people outside of Scientology and they believe
they can do anything they want to SP's and not get punished for it
because they believe that Scientologists are above the law.
-----
(These tactics terrorize people, as used before physical brutality at Guantanamo Bay.
This helps to confuse, make people like Nuremburg or invokes compliance.)
Confusion serves to make people talk by direct questioning or implications by confused
text that
makes people fill in details. (as a normal autonomous reaction) it is possible by
declarative statements too. People have become immune or are unaware to this use in
media, and alot of places. We comply and let Scientology have a tax exemption for
this?!
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/confusion-technique.htm
Maureen
R. Hill
> On Mar 2, 3:26 pm, "R. Hill" <rh...@xenu-directory.net> wrote:
<snip>
> > The bottom line is that Sweeney was followed all the times by people
> > linked to the Church of Scientology -- there is no need to involve
> > anybody else to explain how Tommy Davis showed up during the
> > interview.
>
> > Ray.
>
> Knowing where which hotel one is staying in while in town is a given.
> Following someone around to see where they are going, is 'standard
> operating proceedure' for the cult. But how did they know in advance
> to have Shawn's file with them, that Shawn was meeting DSweeney uptop
> the garage? CoS had his rap sheet, ready to smear him to Sweeney. t
> had to be known in advance that Shawn was going to be there as well as
> Seweeney being there. Listen again to Sweeney:
>
> Program: "FOOC: Justin Webb on US Democrat primaries 1 Mar 08" (go to
> 17min 30sec for the John Sweeney segment)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/fooc/?focuswin
How long after the start of the interview did Tommy Davis show up?
It's not a piece of information I can find in there. I can well
imagine, with all the ongoing surveillance, that Tommy Davis had time
to get a file and show up with it.
You are right, we have to keep scrutinizing the circumstances of
Shawn's death, and the handling by the Clearwater Police Department.
Witch-hunting is not going to accomplish anything good though, and I'm
sorry to say, it kind of read like this.
Ray.
Android Cat
> On Mar 2, 3:50 pm, Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Program: "FOOC: Justin Webb on US Democrat primaries 1 Mar 08" (go to
>> 17min 30sec for the John Sweeney
>> segment)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/fooc/?focuswin
>
> How long after the start of the interview did Tommy Davis show up?
> It's not a piece of information I can find in there. I can well
> imagine, with all the ongoing surveillance, that Tommy Davis had time
> to get a file and show up with it.
I'll bet that they already have files prepared for just about anyone that
John Sweeney could have seen in Clearwater, and Tommy had the whole stack in
the SUV, ready to use. Since they had people tailing Sweeney and his crew,
they probably sent someone up the stairs to sneek a look, see who was there
and report back so that Tommy could ride in for the second half of the
interview.
> You are right, we have to keep scrutinizing the circumstances of
> Shawn's death, and the handling by the Clearwater Police Department.
> Witch-hunting is not going to accomplish anything good though, and I'm
> sorry to say, it kind of read like this.
Hopefully Dr. Woods' replacement is being thorough and careful. CoS managed
to mousetrap Dr. Woods into releasing details early (to correct their lies
about Lisa McPherson dying of a strep throat infection), and it kept going
more sour from there once they had their leverage.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Fredric L. Rice
>On Mar 1, 11:27=A0pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>> Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >GREENWAY & ALEXNANDER violated the injunction per the subpoena ( see
>> >links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
>> >up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
>> >the money was exchanged.
>> You really are a brain dead insane fucking Republican, huh?
You're a terrorist simpathizer. You applaud, condone, and cheer the Bush
regime's war crime atrocities against humanity and his treason against
America, and you call what that baby killing monster does, "America."
You pretend to oppose Scientology's crimes and abuses while you suck
the terrorist regime's dick. That says a lot about who you really are.
You're dismissed. As a terrorist simpathizer, you are filth.
Fredric L. Rice
>On Mar 1, 11:27=A0pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>> Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >GREENWAY & ALEXNANDER violated the injunction per the subpoena ( see
>> >links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
>> >up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
>> >the money was exchanged.
>> You really are a brain dead insane fucking Republican, huh?
You're a terrorist simpathizer. You applaud, condone, and cheer the Bush
regime's war crime atrocities against humanity and his treason against
America, and you call what that baby killing monster does, "America."
You pretend to oppose Scientology's crimes and abuses while you suck
the terrorist regime's dick. That says a lot about who you really are.
You're dismissed. As a terrorist simpathizer, you are filth.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>On Mar 1, 11:27=A0pm, fr...@skeptictank.org (Friendly Xenu) wrote:
>> Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilentolog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >GREENWAY & ALEXNANDER violated the injunction per the subpoena ( see
>> >links below that Shawn posted on the internet).They did this by going
>> >up to him and talking on the sidewalk, BEFORE they went to lunch and
>> >the money was exchanged.
>> You really are a brain dead insane fucking Republican, huh?
You're a terrorist simpathizer. You applaud, condone, and cheer the Bush
regime's war crime atrocities against humanity and his treason against
America, and you call what that baby killing monster does, "America."
You pretend to oppose Scientology's crimes and abuses while you suck
the terrorist regime's dick. That says a lot about who you really are.
You're dismissed. As a terrorist simpathizer, you are filth.
---
Barbara Schwarz
easy. I forget you all the time,
--
Barbara Schwarz
ABOUT THE AHBL AND THE VERY TWISTED BRIAN J. BRUNS :
http://criminal-brian-j-bruns.blogspot.com/
Abusive transsexual BRIAN J, BRUNS aka BURNS aka "Bri", "Brielle" or
"Brielle-Jillian", born on
06/24/81, a "registered sex slave: and owner/webmaster of the abusive
AHBL ("Abusive Host Blocking
List") website and the SOSDG ("Summit open source development group")
is a CONVICTED FELON. (Felon Indictment # I-1577-02,S-2423-02 and
SAPD. Police Report # 05071019). INMATE; BRUNS, BRIAN # 445064.
The AHBL SOSDG is allegedly "non-profit" but stops free speech,
blackmails ISPs and defames people.
Bruns lies that the ABHL is non-profit. He hosted the sex pages of his
master "Lady-Arielle" who offers one hour of her perversion for over
$300,-- profit on the SOSDG server!
Bruns actually HACKED the computers of his former employer Access
Highway (http://
accesshighway.com). Bruns was many months incarcerated and has a FBI
file. Realists think that Bri (also called "the cheese") never will
change but will go back to prison.
COMMACK MAN INDICTED FOR HACKING
http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/da/press/2002/06_26_02.htm
Read also this: http://groups.google.com/group/rattle-users/browse_thread/thread/920c521a661d867a
Bruns retaliates and smears my name also in anonymous Blogspot that is
filled with factual lies about me for which he can be sued. It
wouldn't be the first defamation lawsuit brought against him.
MY OTHER STALKER IS TILMAN JOERG HAUSHERR FROM GERMANY, BERLIN,
EMPLOYED BY SIEMENS, WHICH HAS COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GERMAN
SECRET SERVICE OPC.
Hausherr posted that it is a good idea to hurt American tourism.
Click here for information on Tilman Hausherr:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/kevins-files/
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Tilman+Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
Here are factual criminal records about Hausherr's friend, the
habitual offender, defamer and forger Korey Jerome Kruse from Olathe,
Kansas. I am very certain that Kruse defames himself in ridiculous
postings saying about himself that he is convicted Nazi spy, etc. to
DISTRACT from his REAL rotten activities and criminal past, which is
here:
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
He also is suspect no. 1, stalking and defaming me on Wikipedia under
ID Anynobody.
Barbara Schwarz
> G
What did he write in his suicide note?
No real Scientologist will ever murder. And Shawn didn't attack SCN
anymore.
If somebody killed him perhaps his master who wanted to get rid of him
as he was of no use anymore for them?
Eldon
That's a valid question, but the answer may be as simple as the fact
that Shawn was the person they wanted to hassle and intimidate. As
best I recall, Luke Lirot did a decent job at the deposition. Maybe
they simply decided not to pursue it further after questioning Shawn.
But there are any number of ways the BBC could have gotten in touch
with him.
Piltdown Man
Out_Of_The_Dark <xscilen...@yahoo.com> wrote...
<snip>
> You misunderstand what I wrote and are actually putting a
> conspiracy spin where none is.
Conspiracy theorists never see themselves as conspiracy theorists, they are
revealing HIDDEN TRUTHS! Just like cultists never see themselves as
belonging to a cult.
> The depo has nothing to do with
> Patricia arranging interviews. They are 2 separate incidents
> involving Patricia with Shawn.
Then why do you put them in one post, suggesting a link between them, under
the title "What really happened to Shawn"? Are we to take all your posts as
just such disjointed sequences of random, unrelated statements, with no
logical connection between them?
> That was while I posted them. I am writing about Shawn
> and Patricia. Patricia was involved in both the depo and has been
> involved in arranging interviews in th past and currently.
So? What has that got to do with your basic claim that Patricia Greenway
works for OSA?
> Many who have been interviewed by Morton were arranged either through
> Patricia or through those who were arranged via Patricia.
Even if that's true (I have no way of knowing), what has got to do with
your claims that Patricia Greenway (a) arranged Shawn Lonsdale's interview
with the BBC, and knew when and where it was going to take place, and (b)
then revealed that information to OSA?
In your strange conspiracy theorist view of things, we have to
simultaneously believe that Patricia Greenway helped Andrew Morton with
writing a book that, while not containing anything new, did bring critical
information about Scientology to a whole new audience that would otherwise
never have known about it. *And* that she works for OSA, and gives them
advance information about "secret" interviews she "arranges". This
"arranging" includes all details of time and place. (You make her sound
like some kind of high-powered madam, with connections in all the right
places, renting out Scientology critics for journalists to interview.)
> As I stated,
> people who had been in contact with Shawn before his phone was
> disconnected thought he moved.
You stated that *no* critics knew how to contact Shawn. You didn't explain
how you could possibly know this. Nor how you know that the only person in
the whole world who did know to contact him was Patricia Greenway (not a
critic, apparently, despite helping Andrew Morton with his book --
according to yourself). Or how you know that the BBC was put in contact
with Shawn through Patricia Greenway. Or how such an alleged contact meant
that Patricia Greenway knew when and where the BBC were going to interview
him. Or how you know that OSA had any advance information about that
interview at all, and couldn't have found out about it in other, much
simpler ways.
> Lirot, Patricia's friend, was his attorney. Either Patricia,
> Lirot or Alexander arranged that interview with BBC.
We're back to your insane claim that BBC journalists are incapable of
finding people to interview about Scientology in Clearwater without someone
to "arrange" it for them. And that someone *has* to be Patricia Greenway,
or at best one of two other people associated with her. Because you say so.
> If you know othervise, post who.
I did. Happy now?