Bad PR for Anonymous??
FreshAir08
the "cause." I'm thinking that Anon has to do a little more
homework?
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/anonymous-hac-1.html
Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy
By Ryan Singel January 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and
Cracks
Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened
violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who they
mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.
John Lawson, who lives in Stockton, California with his wife Julia,
began receiving threatening phone calls around 2 a.m. Saturday
morning. He didn't know why until THREAT LEVEL explained that a
hacking group calling itself the g00ns posted his home address, phone
number and cell numbers, as well as Julia's Social Security number,
online. The obscene and threatening calls have continued through
Tuesday, according to Lawson.
The calls are just one small offshoot of an ongoing, larger attack on
the Church of Scientology by a ragtag group of internet troublemakers
who call themselves Anonymous. The group says it is targeting
Scientology in part for its use of litigation to suppress unflattering
documents on the internet.
Over the weekend, the g00ns thought they had caught a hacker who had
busted into computers being used to help coordinate the online attacks
and real world protests against Scientology. But Lawson says the
callers have the wrong guy.
"I don't even really know how to use a computer," Lawson said.
His phone just keeps ringing, Lawson said, and when he answers,
callers spout vulgarities and threats and then hang up. On Monday, he
got a call that seemed to originate from the Virgin Islands. The
caller threatened to kill him.
"They have got the wife really scared because they have my address,"
Lawson said. "I think I am going to buy me a gun today just in case."
The Stockton police came out on Sunday to take a report, and Lawson
has put fraud protection alerts on his and his wife's credit reports.
Lawson wants his personal information off the internet but doesn't
know who to talk to to get it down.
The address of the site with their personal information was shared in
online chat rooms where members of a group called Anonymous congregate
to plan attacks on the Church of Scientology. The site's URL was also
submitted to Digg, where it made it to the front page.
Planning for those attacks was disrupted in the last four days by a
counter-hack group calling itself the Regime. That group hacked and
severely disrupted 711chan.org, one of the central planning facilities
for the Anonymous attack.
According to an e-mail from the hacker to THREAT LEVEL, the Regime's
"main objective was to obtain logs and various data including
usernames and passwords" and "to take down our targets in the best way
possible to bring as much embarrassment/shame as we could to the
offending organization."
The hacker said his group turned over the purloined data to the Church
of Scientology.
Soon after, the g00ns claimed to have found out where the Regime was
hacking from, and managed to obtain personal information about the
Lawsons. John Lawson believes that information came from Comcast, his
ISP.
A Digg commenter suggested that the g00ns tracked down an IP address
used in the attack on 711chan and traced it to Lawson. If that's the
case, the group overlooked the possibility that Lawson's computer or
router had been compromised and was used by the real attacker as a
proxy that would hide the attacker's real location.
For his part, Lawson doesn't care about the how or why, he just wants
the calls to stop.
"I called three news places in Stockton just to get something out
there to let them know they have the wrong guy," Lawson said.
This isn't the first time that the anti-Scientologists have hit the
wrong target.
Last week, participants downloaded hacking software that accidentally
targeted a school in the Netherlands, rather than a Scientology site.
That misfire lasted only a few minutes, but its lesson seems not to
have been learned by online vigilantes who think their righteous ends
justify illegal means.
Photo: Victor Blue/Wired
Kilia
Looks like $cieno's wrote that. Discrediting the Anon's is now on
their portfolio.
guillerm...@gmail.com
I am a frequent visitor of the chan sites, specially 4chan, the
biggest one among them.
I have seen the whole thing as a spectator, but there's one thing i
can say: no anonymous would not identify himself as a part of a
"group", such as the goons in this case.
Besides, we should take into account he possibility that this was made
by Co$ to discredit anon.
The Write Goddess
Key word: "Anti-Scientologists" This was written by Scienos, no
question.
Beth
wrote:
I think that's kind of a stretch. You don't think anyone else would
use that word?
Beth
The Write Goddess
Yes, others might. There are other clues, too, which I don't have
time (sorry) to point out, maybe that's something I'll post in the
future... How to identify Scientologist propaganda by writing style.
I'm sure it comes from emulating L. Ron Hubbard's stilted prose. Even
their legal documents (presumably written by educated people) have the
same awkward turns of phrase and semantics that the propaganda does.
Oh, to give myself some credentials; I'm a tiny-bit-published writer
(but who isn't these days?), and a secondary school language arts
teacher. I've been reading Scientology documents for about ten years
now, which is sort of a strange thing for a Jewish woman in her mid-
twenties to be able to say! I have my B.A. in film and television,
which has actually turned out to be quite useful, believe it or not!
I've worked in journalism and public relations, albiet briefly, which
really educated me when it came to understanding a lot of the text
Scientology publishes for promotion.
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 10 years!
Sounds like they got somebody feeding them bad targeting
information...
what the targets turn out to be seem akin to what a scientologist
might choose if that were his job...to create bad PR...
or did it themselves then blamed it one them.
This is their favorite "way", worked for hitler too
John Dorsay
Nonsense.
The author of this blog has also contributed articles with titles
such as
"House Extends Warrantless Wiretapping Powers For 15 Days"
"U2 Manager Wants ISPs to Filter File Sharers; Threat Level Calls
for U2 Filter"
"Bush's State of The Union: Give Me Spy Powers Now"
"Dems Defeat Republican Fast Tracking of Spying and Telco Immunity Bill"
"Sen. Rockefeller To Vote Against Forcing Vote on His Own Spying Bill"
"Sen. Harry Reid: Spying Extension or No Wiretaps"
"Anonymous Hackers Shoot For Scientologists, Hit Dutch School Kids"
"Spying Showdown Pushed to Hours Before State of Union Address; No
Civil Lib Amendments Allowed"
"Congress Needs to See Secret Court Orders, Feingold Argues"
"Senate Votes to Kill Anti-Immunity, More Limited Spying Bill"
"Mainstream Press Still Gets Wiretapping Debate Wrong"
"Senate Re-Starts Wiretapping Debate"
Well, you get the idea. All of these articles, and many others, are
linked from http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/. The author
of these articles, Ryan Singel, has published *all* of those that I
listed since January 24 (and he took the weekend off)!
This prolific output may lead to legitimate questions about the
quality of Mr. Singel's research. There is no evidence that he is a
cult propagandist.
John
FreshAir08
> of these articles, Ryan Singel, has published *all* of those that I
> listed since January 24 (and he took the weekend off)!
>
> This prolific output may lead to legitimate questions about the
> quality of Mr. Singel's research. There is no evidence that he is a
> cult propagandist.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It occurred to me, too, that the newstory was somehow staged. Perhaps
Mr. Ringel has been used unwittingly ...?
John Dorsay
Don't blame the messenger.
The culties didn't write this article. The Anons have implemented
their very own foot-bullet tech, all by themselves, starting with
the DDOS, and this author has been reporting it. It's news.
Fortunately, the Anons themselves seem to be reassessing the wisdom
of association with antisocial behavior, and have thus far shown
tremendous agility in directing their energies, as a group, to more
socially constructive goals.
I wish them every success in their peaceful, legal activities. I
have every reason to think they will achieve that success. They
seem to learn from their mistakes very quickly, and at least as far
as I can tell, they are doing what they can to avoid repeating them.
John
John Dorsay
<snip>
> It occurred to me, too, that the newstory was somehow staged. Perhaps
> Mr. Ringel has been used unwittingly ...?
Wired apparently sent a photographer out to the home of the victim.
The blog includes the credit "Photo: Victor Blue/Wired"
There are numerous comments apologizing for the error. I suppose
those could be fake (if it makes sense to classify an anonymous
comment as "fake"), as could the claims of Mr. Lawson, the victim.
But IMO the story itself looks genuine, and the apologies look sincere.
John
Zinj
says...
Without knowing anything more about this, what immediately strikes me
about this story is the use of the term 'goons', which seems to me to
usually apply to the 'Something Awful' crazies, not the 'Anons', who
usually refer to themselves as 'fags'.
Whatever, if true, it's this kind of collateral damage that is one very
*good* reason not to engage in 'personal' attacks.
Zinj
--
Scientology may be the first 'religion' best comprehended by forensic
accountants.
guillerm...@gmail.com
anonymous himself (there are three kinds of anonymous: oldfag (+3
years), lurkfag(1-3 yrs) and newfag (<1 yr).
Personal harrasing is an old favorite of anonymous, but there is often
a reason (challenging / insulting anonymous, promoting "faggottry",
and stuff like that), but i truly don't think that anonymous missed
the target.
The problem is that sometimes anon is used as a "personal army", where
people gives a reason (whether true or not) and asks others to harass
a given person, and posts the info about that person. Then everyone
starts making prank calls, and sometimes email pretty disturbing
images, but that's it, there has never been any physical damage that i
am aware of.
In this case, one person could have used anonyous as a "personal army"
for any reason, not necessarily linked to the whole Co$ issue.
Just a tought...
wheat...@googlemail.com
The Anon I've spoken to have been told and agreed not to engage in
personal attacks. If this is the goons, then it is an extra shell from
Anon. Then again Anon isn't a group with any real identity. I hope
this is fake.
barb
They don't seem like the kind of people who would make these kind of
calls, but there are fringe elements of every group. (Fred Durks, anyone?)
This tactic is perfectly in keeping with the cult's past behavior.
If it's the cult, and if they escalate this harassment, I hope the guy
gets his permit soon. Better to have a gun and not need it...
--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne
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barb
I wish them lots of lulz also. Some of them are showing a little concern
that this thing has gotten away from the lulzy goal and is now segueing
into <gasp> GOODNESS! This is causing a few of them to display
uneasiness. The thing has mutated into something they didn't anticipate.
These things happen. But I guarantee, there WILL be lulz!
barb
The term "look before you leap," comes to mind...
Hartley Patterson
> Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy
> By Ryan Singel January 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and
> Cracks
> Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened
> violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who they
> mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.
The author evidently hasn't done any checking. None of this matches the
story as I have it.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
Beth
wrote:
> abo_fresh...@yahoo.com:
>
> > Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy
> > By Ryan Singel January 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and
> > Cracks
> > Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened
> > violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who they
> > mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.
>
> The author evidently hasn't done any checking. None of this matches the
> story as I have it.
>
I haven't had a chance to try to get more information anywhere else.
What have you found out, and from what kind of sources?
Beth
> --
> Hartley Pattersonhttp://www.newsfrombree.co.ukhttp://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
Rev Norle Enturbulata, XYZZY
"FreshAir08" <abo_fr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a1db20ad-fe7d-461d...@s27g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>I dislike $cientology myself... but errors like this can't be good for
> the "cause." I'm thinking that Anon has to do a little more
> homework?
>
>
>
>
> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/anonymous-hac-1.html
>
>
> Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy
> By Ryan Singel January 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and
> Cracks
> Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened
> violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who they
> mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.
>
> John Lawson, who lives in Stockton, California with his wife Julia,
> began receiving threatening phone calls around 2 a.m. Saturday
> morning. He didn't know why until THREAT LEVEL explained that a
> hacking group calling itself the g00ns posted his home address, phone
> number and cell numbers, as well as Julia's Social Security number,
> online. The obscene and threatening calls have continued through
> Tuesday, according to Lawson.
>
> The calls are just one small offshoot of an ongoing, larger attack on
> the Church of Scientology by a ragtag group of internet troublemakers
> who call themselves Anonymous. The group says it is targeting
> Scientology in part for its use of litigation to suppress unflattering
> documents on the internet.
Note here: "ragtag group of internet troublemakers"...? And the reason
stated here as to why Anon is going for the cult is less than informative,
if not attemptedly-misleading by stating the Anon effort was in retaliation
for Scientology's lawyer-based efforts all about "unflattering documents" on
the Internet (which, with the capital letter, is how real journalists spell
it).
>
> Over the weekend, the g00ns thought they had caught a hacker who had
> busted into computers being used to help coordinate the online attacks
> and real world protests against Scientology. But Lawson says the
> callers have the wrong guy.
"g00ns"?
> "I don't even really know how to use a computer," Lawson said.
>
> His phone just keeps ringing, Lawson said, and when he answers,
> callers spout vulgarities and threats and then hang up. On Monday, he
> got a call that seemed to originate from the Virgin Islands. The
> caller threatened to kill him.
Smells an awful lot like the "mad bomber attacked us" tactics used by
Scientology on a variety of critics over the past few years. Which didn't
work either.
> "They have got the wife really scared because they have my address,"
> Lawson said. "I think I am going to buy me a gun today just in case."
Hm, Stockton. Guns. Will the cult forecast or promote a recreation of the
first big-news mass shooting, way back in the 80s?
> The Stockton police came out on Sunday to take a report, and Lawson
> has put fraud protection alerts on his and his wife's credit reports.
>
> Lawson wants his personal information off the internet but doesn't
> know who to talk to to get it down.
>
> The address of the site with their personal information was shared in
> online chat rooms where members of a group called Anonymous congregate
> to plan attacks on the Church of Scientology. The site's URL was also
> submitted to Digg, where it made it to the front page.
Uh huh.
> Planning for those attacks was disrupted in the last four days by a
> counter-hack group calling itself the Regime. That group hacked and
> severely disrupted 711chan.org, one of the central planning facilities
> for the Anonymous attack.
Can anyone outside the cult verify the existence of The Regime?
> According to an e-mail from the hacker to THREAT LEVEL, the Regime's
> "main objective was to obtain logs and various data including
> usernames and passwords" and "to take down our targets in the best way
> possible to bring as much embarrassment/shame as we could to the
> offending organization."
Which sounds like someone trying to imitate the 'tone' of the Anonymous
messages, combined with Scientology's "wounded duck" routine, doesn't it?
> The hacker said his group turned over the purloined data to the Church
> of Scientology.
And as everyone knows only a non-member dupe or cult member would do THAT.
> Soon after, the g00ns claimed to have found out where the Regime was
> hacking from, and managed to obtain personal information about the
> Lawsons. John Lawson believes that information came from Comcast, his
> ISP.
This guy who doesn't know how to use a computer knows how someone could
track down his personal data on the Internet, in the event that Comcast -
God forbid, never Earthlink! - just handed over his personal data. Smells
even more pungent.
> A Digg commenter suggested that the g00ns tracked down an IP address
> used in the attack on 711chan and traced it to Lawson. If that's the
> case, the group overlooked the possibility that Lawson's computer or
> router had been compromised and was used by the real attacker as a
> proxy that would hide the attacker's real location.
If this happened at all.
> For his part, Lawson doesn't care about the how or why, he just wants
> the calls to stop.
>
> "I called three news places in Stockton just to get something out
> there to let them know they have the wrong guy," Lawson said.
>
> This isn't the first time that the anti-Scientologists have hit the
> wrong target.
"the anti-Scientologists", again. Why does the cult always assume that it's
a known and identifiable 'group' with some kind of 'mission', instead of
individuals who can only be 'connected' by their opposition to the cult at
all?
> Last week, participants downloaded hacking software that accidentally
> targeted a school in the Netherlands, rather than a Scientology site.
Is there any verification for this potential myth?
> That misfire lasted only a few minutes, but its lesson seems not to
> have been learned by online vigilantes who think their righteous ends
> justify illegal means.
Which sounds like our favorite cult building up a case for Anonymous being a
collective but unidentifiable "enema of mankind".
--
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://xenu.com-it.net/txt/ildikoe.htm
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http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
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"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
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mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
Jinkii
dont use the definite article when referring to anonymous it proves u
dont get it.
Discrediting everyone who disagrees with LRH's skewed drug addled view
on the world is what they always do, their tech doesnt allow dissent
or discussion just attack. unfortunately for them Anon doesnt have a
figurehead beyond the figure in a shirt and tie wearing sunglasses, no
names means no lawsuits which has them running scared, their usual
methods are being circumvented by a youth movement and they hate it,
they really are behaving like spoiled children throwing their toys out
of the pram and stamping their feet, i for one am loving this <3
Jinkii
Xenu The Enturbulator
> Discrediting everyone who disagrees with LRH's skewed drug addled view
> on the world is what they always do, their tech doesnt allow dissent
> or discussion just attack. unfortunately for them Anon doesnt have a
> figurehead beyond the figure in a shirt and tie wearing sunglasses, no
> names means no lawsuits which has them running scared, their usual
> methods are being circumvented by a youth movement and they hate it,
> they really are behaving like spoiled children throwing their toys out
> of the pram and stamping their feet, i for one am loving this <3
I hope you're right, but I fear that you're not. Scientology aren't
going to be stopped by people wearing sunglasses and masks. They're
going to throw the kitchen sink at this problem. Eventually they'll
identify people, and they'll find out who is behind the DDOS attacks.
The webpages written by the Anonymous folks read like naive teenagers
spoiling for their first taste of blood. I don't think they are prepared
for what's going to hit them when Scientology begin to fight back.
Zinj
xe...@galacticfederation.org says...
Whadda they gonna do? Death Stares? Flying ashtrays? Million dollar
lawyers, PIs and thugs against people with 3rd World allowances?
Come on; whadda they gonna do? Cry real loud?
The Badger
The whole tone of the article is slanted. >.< Just like his last one.
Can't really blame him though as he writes a for-corporate-america
fast-food computer security blog.
>.>
Oh, hell; yes I can.
Fuckwit.
shader
> Without knowing anything more about this, what immediately strikes me
> about this story is the use of the term 'goons', which seems to me to
> usually apply to the 'Something Awful' crazies, not the 'Anons', who
> usually refer to themselves as 'fags'.
>
> Whatever, if true, it's this kind of collateral damage that is one very
> *good* reason not to engage in 'personal' attacks.
>
It looks like the g00ns stepped in to assist 711chan after 711chan was
hacked by Regime. They thought they had discovered the identity of the
Regime hackers based on the IPs involved and posted the info (including
SSNs) on the Regimes old domain http://regimeorder.com. They posted a
message on the site making it quite clear they had done this as a favor to
711chan.
This development was heralded in anons Chanology IRC as a great victory at
the time, and I have no trouble believing random, less scrupulous, anon
started calling the guy up with threatening phone calls. Emotions were
running high and people were pretty annoyed about what happened to 711chan.
Calls like this aren't out of character for some anon, I've seen personal
phone numbers posted on the /i/ boards with invitations to prank call them
before.
The personal info has since been removed from the regimeorder site.
All in all I find the story credible. The writer obviously has a bias
against Anonymous's DDOS tactics (hes done other critical stories on that),
but I doubt he's a Scieno. It's a good example of why it's worthwhile
keeping a cool head and triple-checking your facts.
shader
"Hartley Patterson" <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.220a6b296...@news.thundernews.com...
> abo_fr...@yahoo.com:
>
>> Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy
>> By Ryan Singel January 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and
>> Cracks
>> Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened
>> violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who they
>> mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.
>
> The author evidently hasn't done any checking. None of this matches the
> story as I have it.
>
Can you enlighten us?
As i posted elsewhere in this thread, it matches up quite well with what I
saw at the time.