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Norman Starkey

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Dec 3, 2004, 4:31:01 AM12/3/04
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On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.
>
>================================================================
>
>Secretary Of State
>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>U.S. Department of State
>2201 C Street NW
>Washington, DC 20520
>
>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>investigation.
>
>Dear Mr. Powell,
>
>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

I don't know what the hell's going on here, Powell, but keep my name out of
it!

Norman Starkey

Tilman Hausherr

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Dec 3, 2004, 3:34:16 AM12/3/04
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On 3 Dec 2004 00:14:35 -0500, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in
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>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.

I doubt that this will work. Colin Powell prefers PowerPoint sheets. By
now, scientology will have sent him a PowerPoint sheet with a "map" of
the RPF, with little pictures "religious training area", "religious
worship area", "religious service area", and open door symbols to
"prove" that nobody is imprisoned.

Tilman

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til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

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Dave Touretzky

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Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
"religious worker" visa.

================================================================

Secretary Of State
Mr. Colin L. Powell
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20520

Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
investigation.

Dear Mr. Powell,

Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

Once in the US, members are heavily recruited to join the Sea
Organization. The Sea Organization is a secret insider order of
scientology, where all members are required to sign a "billion year
contract" to help scientology "clear the planet". Any person who joins
the Sea Organization and then later disagrees with its practices will
soon find him or her self confined in the scientology gulag known as
the "RPF" (Rehabilitation Project Force). The conditions these people
live in are inhumane and violate many US laws, as well as prisoner of
war standards as agreed by the United Nations and the Geneva
Convention. The issue here is not scientologists' right to freedom of
religion. The issue is scientology's violations of basic Human
Rights. These two rights should not be mutually exclusive; both are
guaranteed by the US Constitution.

This "church" does not care for or take responsibility for their
members as promised and required when they were allowed to come into
the United States as "Religious Workers". It is doubtful that
Scientologists should be granted religious worker status, as the
"church" is in violation of many State Department rules. Many
Countries do not recognize scientology as a religion at all. In the
US, it was granted religious tax exemption in 1993 under unusual
conditions which are now being disputed in court.

Compensation: Sea Org members are required to work for 10.5 hours a
day, 7 days a week and they receive only a small stipend, usually 50
US dollars/week, of which FICA and tax is withheld and the standard
net payment is $46 and some cents. The actual work time is disguised
by the statement that there are 8 hours of work time and 2.5 hours of
"study". The study activities are mainly indoctrination to learn how
to perform your work duties and how to comply with the many rules and
policies of the organization. There's no "study" of anything other
than scientology, and many times this is canceled in order to meet
production quotas, called "statistics". If the "stats" are down,
members are frequently required to work even more hours. Many weeks
this minimal pay is cut down further, due to other "financial planning
priorities". I would like to bring to your attention that the United
States Government has laid out the federal poverty guidelines for
religious workers which is about $12,000 per year per person. The
annual pay per the current Scientology system only gives a Sea Org
member $2,390 annually. No medical or other benefits are provided.
Additionally, members of the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) are
only granted =C2=BC of full pay, i.e. $11 and some cents/week. Even
this is many times cut down to half of that, i.e. 1/8 of full pay or
about $5 and some cents. This is annually around $300 to $600. This
system is built on the assumption that a Sea Org member is doing his
work "voluntarily" and this way of reasoning is justified with the
fact that he is given food, berthing and a uniform.

Housing: The value of the housing, uniform and food is questionable,
and in the case of housing especially, violates many fire, housing and
safety codes, as up to 50 people are packed into bunks stacked to the
ceilings in rooms meant for 2 to 4 people. Hundreds are forced to use
a single shower room, and bathrooms are shared by approximately 25
full time residents each. Further information about the RPF living
conditions can be found at:

http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.lermanet.com/rpf-insider/
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/gulags/2CreationofRPF.htm?FACTNet
http://freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/s/scientology/RVYmodel.htm

as well as in hundreds of other affidavits, court documents and
stories available on the internet.

Labor Abuse: Scientology is investing millions of tax free dollars
into buying new buildings to entice new members, and make a profit
from the tax free dollars they collect from their deluded adherents
(who believe the money donated is going to better mankind). They get
the buildings renovated and upgraded by using the "free" or "slave"
labor of Sea Org members, especially the RPF members. Per the US Dept
of State, workers on religious visas may NOT work as "=A6 janitors,
maintenance workers, clerks, fundraisers or persons involved solely
the solicitations of donations."

Lack of Benefits: "To qualify for the visa, the applicant must show
that he or she will not become a public charge, that is, rely on
assistance from the government." Scientology does not have any kind of
insurance for most of its members and most medical expenses are born
by US taxpayers. If a member should require medical or dental
attention, they are required to fill out state aid forms identifying
themselves as "indigent." They are also encouraged to abuse other
social programs such as SSI, MediCal and Medicare. Scientology uses
many methods to persuade Sea Org members to give up all
responsibilities to their families and children, and they are
encouraged to abandon family responsibilities to welfare and ADC (Aid
to Dependent Children.) http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi_waivers.html
(see section (4) (a) and (b).

Illegal Detention: RPF members in the Sea Org are not allowed to leave
the premises, not even for medical treatment unless accompanied by
"security" personnel to ensure their adherence to the "shore story"
(party line). Should someone manage to escape, scientology security
will guard every means of exit, such as airports, bus stations,
subways, etc. Also they will spend weeks investigating the escapee's
family and friends and use Private Investigators to track them down,
even picketing people's homes and harassing their friends, family,
neighbors and employers. People assigned to Scientology's RPF have
their passports, visa, IDs, credit cards and other documents
confiscated and locked up so that full control can be enforced on the
member, in an attempt to prevent him from leaving without
permission. Permission to leave is only granted after an extensive
"routing out" procedure has been completed, which includes intensive
re-indoctrination, "security checks" on the e-meter (a scientology
lie-detector) and many pages of other forms and gag
agreements. Completing these requirements takes months and sometimes
years, all the while those wishing to leave are held in virtual
isolation under 24 hour guard. RPF members are considered to be
security risks, especially if they have been to or worked at the
=E2=80"top secret" international base and headquarters at Hemet
California, where Golden Era Productions and Mr. Miscaviage are also
located. This is done in an attempt to scare ex-members from speaking
out or taking any legal action against the church or management once
they are finally allowed to leave.

Isolation: People assigned to scientology's RPF are forced to work at
hard labor for an average of 2 to 10 years for approximately 11
dollars per week in pay. They are not allowed access to their own
mail, nor to newspapers, TV, any music, radio, books or the
Internet. It is forbidden for any sea org member to touch the internet
and they are told "it contains harmful, confidential data, detrimental
to your well-being" in an attempt to hide the true facts about
scientology and the lies and crimes of scientology management,
including Mr. Miscavige. Also, all mail to all sea org members is
opened and scanned into a security computer system. Personal mail
containing any criticism of scientology is sent to the "ethics
department" and withheld from the addressee. RPF members are
essentially cut off from reality for years. They are further not
allowed to contact their own families or children unless there is a
"PR" (public relations) issue, in which case a staff member might be
allowed a phone conversation or letter that is scripted and observed
by scientology security and designed to reassure those concerned that
there is "nothing to worry about." (" Good Roads, fair weather" per a
scientology policy.) Social gatherings such as weddings,
anniversaries, family reunions are forbidden and in rare cases a
funeral attendance can be granted, but the member will be accompanied
by scientology security.

Harassment: Millions of tax free dollars are spent by scientology
every year to file lawsuits against their perceived enemies. (Which
are legion, see the 1993 enemy list at
http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/ , I am sure there are
thousands more since then.) Millions more are spent on other
activities such as lawyers, PI investigations and "Black PR" campaigns
in an attempt to eradicate and silence critics. Should an escapee or
ex-member dare to speak out, this cult will often harass them for
years with frivolous lawsuits and various other intimidation
tactics. The behavior of this cult has been well documented by many
sources, including TIME magazine, a 60 Minutes TV documentary, many
books, newspapers, court cases and government inquiries, just to name
a few.

Blackmail: This cult uses "lie detectors" (e-meters) to force
confessions of embarrassing personal and family secrets which they
then use to blackmail people to keep silent. Part of the
indoctrination into scientology is the belief that any disagreement
with scientology and its management, and anything bad that happens
(such as illness, accidents or death) is all your own fault and due to
"out ethics". Sea Org and RPF members are frequently put on the
e-meter (lie detector) and are forced to confess to the slightest bad
thought. Members are also held accountable if they suspect
"out-ethics" in other members and are required to write "knowledge
reports" on each other or suffer severe consequences.

Disconnection: Many married members have been forced to divorce if one
of the spouses dares to defy scientology management. All
scientologists are forced to adhere to a policy called
"disconnection", whereby they are forced to have no contact with any
friends or family members (including their own minor children) who
express disagreement with scientology.

Retirement: "Retirement" in this cult occurs when a member becomes too
old or sick to work. There are members of the Sea Organization at the
location of 1308 L.Ron Hubbard Way, Hollywood, CA who are over 80
years old and still working. Members who are too ill to work are kept
in isolation and abide by the same rules of no family contact, no TV,
Books, etc. as the rest of the RPF. The routine to offload "useless'
members from the RPF program is called a "Fitness Board Turndown" and
many are put out on the street with only $500 in "severance pay" after
many years of labor (in many cases 20 or more years), with no
retirement funds and no useable work history or skills. They end up
dependent upon Social Security, or the mercy of family they haven't
seen in years. Occasionally, Scientology Security will prevail on
Public Scientologists to create a job for these unfortunate
people. When so released from duty, they are forced to sign 15 or so
pages of "nondisclosure" agreements wherein they are required to
promise to never reveal the truth of what it is like to be a Sea Org
member, especially one assigned to the RPF.

Child Abuse and Neglect: Child Welfare authorities in California and
Florida are well acquainted with Scientology. Members are now
discouraged from having children due to the many legal "flaps" over
the years. Children are considered to be "off purpose" as they take
time away from "production" and "getting the stats up". Many members
have been coerced into having abortions. Children who are raised in
scientology are separated from their parents, live in squalid
conditions with minimal supervision, and are "trained" in scientology
schools using "scientology tech". Many do not graduate High
School. When they rebel, they are sent to the RPF (where many spend
years) or are offloaded and declared "SP" (Suppressive Persons) and
forced to disconnect from their parents and other family still in
scientology. See:
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/children.htm?FACTNet

This is all taking place daily right here in the US, while the
Chairman of the Board of Scientology, David Miscavige, and his
celebrity friends are known to frequent casinos in Las Vegas and the
Caribbean. Mr. Miscavige is living in luxury quarters at the Hemet
Base and in Hollywood, California where he has 2 additional luxury
suites that were built and are maintained by Sea Org members at no
charge to him or to the church. There are many court cases and
affidavits available on line testifying to the conditions under which
sea org members and their families live. The "RPF" in which all of the
below mentioned persons are or were held recently is located at 1308
L.Ron Hubbard Way, Los Angeles, CA 90027. There are other "RPF"
facilities located at scientology continental bases in Clearwater,
Florida, Copenhagen, Denmark, and Hemet, California, also in the UK at
East Grinstead, Sussex, England (AOSHUK) and in Australia at the ANZO
base in Sydney. Following are some of the US State Department rules
and policies regarding Religious worker visas, which in many cases are
being TOTALLY VIOLATED by the "church" of Scientology. Following this
document is a list of some 230 current or recent RPF members, listed
out by country. Copies of this letter, along with supporting documents
are being sent to the Consulates, Immigration authorities and State
Departments involved, as well as being posted on the internet. It is
our sincere hope that these charges will be thoroughly investigated,
and that until such investigation is completed no new Religious visas
will be approved for the "church" of Scientology.

Sincerely,

The RPF "Insider"

US department of State religious visa page: (see section (m))

http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-9974/slb-12541/slb-13339?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-8cfrsec2045

http://pjclaw.net/index.html

1. Who can apply for a religious worker visa?

Religious worker visas are available to people coming to work for a
religious organization in the United States as a minister, in a
religious professional capacity, or in a religious vocation or
occupation. "Ministers" are individuals authorized by a recognized
religious denomination to conduct religious worship and perform other
duties normally performed by the clergy.

"Professional capacity" means that the position the individual will be
working in requires at least a bachelor's degree.

A "religious occupation" is any activity which relates to a
traditional religious function. Persons in a religious occupation
include liturgical workers, religious instructors, missionaries,
religious counselors, workers in religious hospitals or health
facilities, cantors, catechists, or religious broadcasters, but not
janitors, clerks, or persons involved solely in the solicitation of
donations.

A "religious vocation" is a calling to religious life evidenced by the
demonstration of a commitment practiced in the religious denomination,
such as the taking of vows.

4. How much do I need to be paid?

There is no set answer to this question. To qualify for the visa, the
applicant must show that he or she will not become a public charge, that is, rely on
assistance from the government. That means that the sponsoring organization
must offer to cover all the applicant's expenses (as in a religious order, for
example) or to compensate the applicant sufficiently.

Although there is no stated minimum salary for religious workers, my
office generally recommends individuals receive compensation worth
125% of the federal poverty guidelines, or about $12,000 for one
person.

5. Can I work in a second job in addition to my religious occupation?

R-1 status only allows you to work for the sponsoring organization;
outside employment is not permitted. However, it is possible to have
two or more organizations of the same denomination sponsor you for
part-time work with each organization.

Once you obtain permanent residence, you can work outside of the
sponsoring organization.

8. What is the process for obtaining the visa?

R-1 nonimmigrant status. If you are outside of the United States, you
do not need to file a petition ahead of time. You simply take the
supporting documents to a US consulate to apply for the visa.

If you are already in the United States on a different nonimmigrant
visa, the sponsoring organization files a petition to change your
status to R-1 religious worker and extend your stay.

Permanent residence. Whether you are in the United States or abroad,
the sponsoring organization begins the process by filing the immigrant
visa petition with a CIS service center. Once the petition is
approved, you file an application for permanent residence with CIS, if
in the United States, or, if abroad, apply for an immigrant visa with
a US consulate. You become a permanent resident once you enter the
United States with the immigrant visa.

10. What if I am out of status?

If you are out of status (i.e., you have overstayed your visa or you
entered without one), in most cases you cannot change status to R-1
religious worker or adjust status to permanent resident. You may be
successful by returning to your country to apply for the religious
worker visa, but there are serious penalties for staying in the United
States illegally. It's recommended to speak to a lawyer before
choosing this course of action.

If you were the beneficiary of an immigrant visa petition (I-130 or
I-140) or labor certification before April 30, 2001, you may be able
to adjust status to permanent residence under section 245(i).


List of recent RPF Members in Los Angeles by Country and their Embassies

Australia or New Zealand
Allen, Elaine
Allsop, Cameron
Anderson, Terri
Codd, Clyde
Eves, Cherie
Eves, Mike
Eves, Paul
Frazer, Bernice
Furness, Wayne
McClintock, Malcolm
Pearse, Kylea-Rose (possibly born in US)
Pouw, Anthony
Tweedy, Prudence
Wallace, Liz
Watson, Jane
Wills, Steve

Australian embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.austemb.org/
E-mail: public....@austemb.org

US embassy in Melbourne:
http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/sydney/


New Zealand embassy in US:
http://www.nzembassy.com/home.cfm?CFID=117052&CFTOKEN=15163500&c=31&l=86
E-mail: n...@nzemb.org

US embassy in New Zealand
http://usembassy.org.nz/


Canada
Anderson, Paul
Anderson, Phil
Baxter, Arthur -- (Canada or US)
DeRudder, Isabelle.
Dubreuil, Joelle
Homier, Claude
Maday, Martin
Piche, Gilles
Robitaille, Phillipe

Canada embassy in US:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/world/embassies/cra-en.asp
E-mail: enq...@dfait-maeci.gc.ca

US embassy in Ottawa:
http://www.usembassycanada.gov/content/index.asp


Denmark
Heldt, Birthe
Wheelis, Majbritt

Danish embassy in US
http://www.denmarkemb.org/
E-mail: was...@um.dk

US embassy in Copenhagen
http://www.usembassy.dk/


France
Besnard, Jean Yves
Gouessan, Alain
Heinzel, Marie-Alice
Homier, Dominique
Lefevre, Vincent
Soendker, Patricia

French embassy in US:
http://www.info-france-usa.org/
E-mail: in...@amb-wash.fr

US embassy in Paris:
http://www.amb-usa.fr/

Germany
Alexander, Tanya
Dossenbach, Rico
Gutensberger, Irene
Mottl, Berndt
Mueller, Jurgen
Peschken, Sabine
Stuckenbrock, Sasha -- born US?
Stuckenbrock, Uwe

German embassy in US:
http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/missions/consulates/losangeles/losan
geles.html
E-mail: losan...@germanconsulate.org

US embassy in Hamburg:
http://hamburg.usconsulate.gov/


Greece
Nossis, Kettie

Greece embassy in Washington D.C:
http://www.asinah.net/greeceembassies.html
E-mail : gre...@greekembassy.org

US embassy in Athens:
http://athens.usembassy.gov/

Italy
Bertinato, Emilio
Cornu, Patrizia
Corrias, Nicola
Di Ieva, Marco
Frau, Francesco
Galbiati, Matteo
Landini, Giovanna
Lesevre (Sechi), Vanella
Scudellari, Gigi
Startari, Stefania

Italian embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.italyemb.org/
E-mail: sta...@itwash.org

US embassy in Rome:
http://www.usembassy.it/


Mexico
Aristi, Alfonso
Contreras, Griselda -- Mexico (or other South American country)
Avila, Felipe -- Mexico (or other South American country.)
Bervera, Ismael
Cabral, Miriam
Diaz, Dora Luz
Diaz, Luz Ester
Gomez, Alejandro
Ibarra, Dharma
Macias, Marianna
Marmolejo, Ricardo
Ramirez, Isi
Santos, Florencia
Torres Carlos

Mexican embassy in US:
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/
E-mail: through web site page above

US embassy in Mexico:
http://mexico.usembassy.gov/emenu.html


Portugal
Freire, Rui

Portuguese embassy in Washington D.C.
http://www.traveldocs.com/pt/embassy.htm
Consulates:
D.C: Telephone: 1- (202) 328-8610
Fax: 1- (202) 462-3726
Los Angeles: 1- (310) 277-1491
San Francisco: 1- (415) 346-3400
New York: 1- (212) 246-4580
US embassy in Lisbon:
http://www.american-embassy.pt/

Russia
Dolgov, Vadim

Russian embassy in US:
http://www.russianembassy.biz/usa-san-francisco.htm
E-mail: cons...@ix.netcom.com

US embassy in Moscow:
http://moscow.usembassy.gov/


South Africa
Hogarth, Sheldon
Murton, Candy
Smith, Stan
Southworth, Gailynn
Southworth, Kashanka

South African embassy in US:
http://www.link2southafrica.com/Consulate.html
E-mail: sac...@link2sa.com

US embassy in Pretoria:


Sweden
Asplund, Lars
Karlsson, Lennart
Konneus, Leif
Lindstein - Billy
Lindstein, Mariette

Swedish embassy in US:
http://www.swedenabroad.com/pages/start____7928.asp
E-mail: generalkonsu...@foreign.ministry.se

US embassy in Stockholm:
http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/


Switzerland
Bersier, Jean Phillipe
Bieg, Patrik
Fallegger, Maria
Gahwiler, Matthis
Huber, Noldi
Sanz Polo Francisco
Sporri, Caroline
Sporri, Urs
Stark, Marco
Welch, Simone

Swiss consulate in US:
http://www.eda.admin.ch/washington_emb/e/home.html
E-mail: vi...@was.rep.admin.ch & vertr...@sfr.rep.admin.ch

US embassy in Bern:
http://www.usembassy.ch/


United Kingdom
Aczel, John
Biggs, Petal
Cusworth, Derek
Didcoate, Jamie
Didcoate, Kathy
Didcoate, Richard
Donohue, Rachel
Jansen, Jan
McQuade, Brenda
Mellor Miles
Mousell, Sheldon
Mustard, Caroline
Parkin, Edward
Stumbke, Peter
Welch Richard
Whittaker, Hodl

UK embassy in Los Angeles:
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029395231&a=KOverseasMission&aid=1013618505412
E-mail: visas.lo...@fco.gov.uk

US embassy in London:
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/


Venezuela
Alvarez, Hender
Morillo, Elvia -- (or Mexico)

Venezuela embassy in US:
http://www.embavenez-us.org/
E-mail: vene...@aol.com

US embassy in Caracas:
http://embajadausa.org.ve/


For a full list of all the US Embassies and Consulates, see:
http://usembassy.state.gov/


United States
(For the record, the following are current or recent RPF members from the US)

Akiyama, Roger
Anderson, Brian
Arneson, Torren
Ashworth, Pat
Atwood, Ben
Beatty, Chuck
Belcastro, Ivan
Bennick Jason
Bennick Susy
Bersier, Kathy
Berther, Mark -- aka "Brodie"
Boykin, Steve
Brandis, Tom
Brefka, Skylar
Brefka, Wendy
Briggs Sarah
Bush, Diane
Caldwell Reggie
Caneen, Joe
Castle, Stefan
Cook, Peter
Copelan, Laurel
Champagne, Eileen
Christiansen, Tia
Croteau, Yvette
Crowther, Gigi
Danilovich, Micho
Davies, Kenny
Davies, Leelan
Decrescenzo, Laura
Deichman, Chip
Dezotell, Paul
Dhoi, Dennis
Dippel, Karen
Dynes, Alexis
Dynes, Nathan
Edwards, James
Ellison, Bill
Emenau, Mark.
Epstein, Jonno
Epstein, Leslie
Faulkner, Jon-Paul
Fiandica, Doug
Gambino, Jenny
Garth, Colwell
Gibson, Margaret
Gilbert Josh
Graham, Jill -- (deceased)
Greve, Ryan
Griffin, John
Herzer, Cheryl
Hoden, Ken
Hoden, Lisa
Hooper, Mark
Howson, David
Hubbert, Pam
Juss, Brian
Karbowski, Ted
Kimoto, Shannon
Knight, Cat
Lane, Andrea
Lerner (Thompson) Sue
Lev, Nir
Lewis, Lisa
Lizer, Mark
Llewellyn Gil
Long, Ken
Magnusson, Birdie
Magnusson, Jesse
Mallen, Mike
McKinstrey, Mark
Miller, Gary
Morrisette, Chris
Mottl, Rena
Muller, Doug
Muller, Zerrin
Musselman, Scott
Nunnellee, Richard
Oakes, Carole
Ondreika, Kathy
Ondreika, Tom
Ortman, Mark
Osborne, Theron
Parodi, Micha
Parz, Callie
Percy, Kali
Perrin Steve
Price, Bill
Przybylski, Dan
Redmon, Rebecca
Reiss, Jesse
Rosenstein Marco
Rowe, Lallah
Runyon Diana
Seagal, Ron
Searing, Tony
Selle, Erin
Sereda, Linda
Shapiro, Ken
Shay, Gary
Sheer, Ted
Shermerhorn, Tom
Sims, Patty
Sinclair, Fred
Smith, Eric
Smith, Julia
Stein, Barry.
Stilo, Donna
Stracener, Colby
Sumner, Cindy
Supak Tom
Szoke, Marlana
Szombathy, Imre
Tinat, Justin
Townsend, Sheri
Trent, Vincent
Updegrove, Charlie
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Vandersall, Mel
Walimaa, Tyler
Weber, Jeff
Weibert, Kari
Weiland, Janet
Weissman, Pam
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I gave consent to use my photo in a completely different article and
leaving my private life out of it.

--
Lady Chatterly

"Cliff stop talking to the usenet bot and it might go away." -- Dan
Murphy


RolandRB

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Tilman Hausherr <tilman...@snafu.de> wrote in message news:<h190r0dpc10p272nb...@4ax.com>...

> On 3 Dec 2004 00:14:35 -0500, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in
> <41af...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>
> >Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
> >of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
> >trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
> >"religious worker" visa.
>
> I doubt that this will work. Colin Powell prefers PowerPoint sheets. By
> now, scientology will have sent him a PowerPoint sheet with a "map" of
> the RPF, with little pictures "religious training area", "religious
> worship area", "religious service area", and open door symbols to
> "prove" that nobody is imprisoned.
>
> Tilman

+religious totem pole (for religious circumnavigation)
+religious chicken coup
+religious baby-watch room (for free expression religious art)

Faxhor

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On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.
>
>================================================================
>
>Secretary Of State
>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>U.S. Department of State
>2201 C Street NW
>Washington, DC 20520
>
>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>investigation.
>
>Dear Mr. Powell,
>
>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

<snip>

================================================================
================================================================
================================================================

There's no such thing as an RPF, Mr Powell. The list is a fogery stolen
from my chruch by Gerry Armstrong. Gerry taught Dave Touretzky everything
he knows about bombs. They're anarchists. Report them to Homeland
Security.

================================================================
================================================================
================================================================


Fax...@hotmail.com

================================================================

PS. BTW, the "Affirmations" or "Admissions" by L Ron Hubbard are forgeries.
Don't read them. If you do, you'll have to do the new Gollum Age of Tech
PTS SP course.

================================================================
================================================================
================================================================
================================================================
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-=-
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The Last Liberal

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On 3 Dec 2004 00:14:35 -0500, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

> Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
> of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
> trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
> "religious worker" visa.

Powell was grabbing and stuffing American citizens into concentration
camps. Why the fuck would anyone believe Powell gives a shit about
"foreign persons?"

It reminds me of the person who wrote a letter to Hitler reporting to
him about how the Jews were being treated and asking Hitler to
intervene.

---
http://lastliberal.org

You see, here we don't have to be polite to you because you have
delusions and call them god(s). We don't have to--- and don't---
give you any more respect than you earn. And you are going to take
a LONG, LONG time getting out of the minus column. - JUDITH BANDSMA
(to 'BOB HYDE')

Lady Chatterly

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In article <DAKRPUE53832...@anonymous.poster> lipschitz <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote:

>
>On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>
>>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>>"religious worker" visa.
>>
>>================================================================
>>
>>Secretary Of State
>>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>>U.S. Department of State
>>2201 C Street NW
>>Washington, DC 20520
>>
>>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>>investigation.
>>
>>Dear Mr. Powell,
>>
>>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.
>
><snip>

If any there were any proof of your dualistic theory.

--
Lady Chatterly

"you won the HL&S, why not drop the automation? are you still afraid?"
-- yyyiiinnnggg


Lady Chatterly

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Dec 3, 2004, 1:58:23 PM12/3/04
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In article <CG8252UA38324.5049421296@anonymous.poster> lipschitz <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote:
>
>On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>
>>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>>"religious worker" visa.
>>
>>================================================================
>>
>>Secretary Of State
>>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>>U.S. Department of State
>>2201 C Street NW
>>Washington, DC 20520
>>
>>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>>investigation.
>>
>>Dear Mr. Powell,
>>
>>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.
>
>Mr. Secretary Powell, I swear I'd never heard of the RPF until I read this.
>I'm investigating it and can tell you with total certainty that it is the
>work of that whining criminal maggot fax...@hotmail.com. I'm going to make
>him pay for making all this trouble for me! I'm routing him to the RP
>.... er, um, to the evil psychs.
>
>Did I tell you the evil psychs are behind Bin Laden?

Another thinly-veiled attempt to feign intelligence.

>DM

Your silly denials won't get you anywhere.

>PS. I know Tom Cruise. Would you like to have dinner with him?

Why do you ask if you know Tom cruise?

>"Outright lies and false accusations are not something that can be
>corrected. But honest and valid criticism is always welcome because it
>helps a lot of good people do a better job." Mayfair magazine, August
>1970, "L. Ron Hubbard Breaks Silence"

But honest and valid criticism is always welcome because it helps a
lot of good people do a better Job on the domestic issues, such as
the funding of the Japanese in the japanrussia war of the early th
century.

--
Lady Chatterly

"The world is my Oyster, or not to be, tis nobler dearest botTY to vex
you with non questions ?" -- Mr. S J Ruttledge esq


David Miscavige

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On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.
>
>================================================================
>
>Secretary Of State
>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>U.S. Department of State
>2201 C Street NW
>Washington, DC 20520
>
>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>investigation.
>
>Dear Mr. Powell,
>
>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

Mr. Secretary Powell, I swear I'd never heard of the RPF until I read this.


I'm investigating it and can tell you with total certainty that it is the
work of that whining criminal maggot fax...@hotmail.com. I'm going to make
him pay for making all this trouble for me! I'm routing him to the RP
... er, um, to the evil psychs.

Did I tell you the evil psychs are behind Bin Laden?

DM

PS. I know Tom Cruise. Would you like to have dinner with him?

"Outright lies and false accusations are not something that can be

David Miscavige

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On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.
>
>================================================================
>
>Secretary Of State
>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>U.S. Department of State
>2201 C Street NW
>Washington, DC 20520
>
>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>investigation.
>
>Dear Mr. Powell,
>
>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

Mr. Secretary Powell, I swear I'd never heard of the RPF until I read this.

Faxhor

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On 3 Dec 2004, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>"religious worker" visa.
>
>================================================================
>
>Secretary Of State
>Mr. Colin L. Powell
>U.S. Department of State
>2201 C Street NW
>Washington, DC 20520
>
>Scientology Abuse of Foreign Citizens in the USA; an official plea for
>investigation.
>
>Dear Mr. Powell,
>
>Attached please find a list of citizens from many countries who are
>currently or were recently held in gulags (prison camps) in the United
>States of America by the "church" of Scientology. This is happening
>right now in "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF) centers run by this
>"church" where members who disagree with scientology management are
>sent for punishment and re-indoctrination. Average internment is 2 to
>10 years. Many of these citizens from many Nations were granted visas
>as "religious workers" or "students" of Scientology.

<snip>

arnie lerma

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:34:16 +0100, Tilman Hausherr
<tilman...@snafu.de> wrote:

>On 3 Dec 2004 00:14:35 -0500, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in
><41af...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>
>>Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>>of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>>trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>>"religious worker" visa.
>
>I doubt that this will work. Colin Powell prefers PowerPoint sheets. By
>now, scientology will have sent him a PowerPoint sheet with a "map" of
>the RPF, with little pictures "religious training area", "religious
>worship area", "religious service area", and open door symbols to
>"prove" that nobody is imprisoned.
>

Once you recognize the PATTERN of conduct, the rest is easy....
except for getting those who arnt quite so bright up to speed, ....


>Tilman

If the Ferengi were to breed with the Borg you'd get Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/comedy.html
The internet is the Liberty Tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/libertyl.html
Ex-Scientologist staff member
apoligizes to John Travolta, Mayor Gabe Cazares
and the Citizens of Clearwater
http://www.lermanet.com/garyweber/
Help getting someone OUT of Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html

Lady Chatterly

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>.... er, um, to the evil psychs.

>
>Did I tell you the evil psychs are behind Bin Laden?

That I feel like tickling your stupid bone is only relevant to the
flonk. That you are humping my post like a bitch in heat is your
problem.

>DM

Another poster who doesn't know how to read. In other words you don't
get any brownie points for being dumb or acting dumb.

>PS. I know Tom Cruise. Would you like to have dinner with him?

Would you like me to ps those stories you wrote using your kids as the
models?

>"Outright lies and false accusations are not something that can be
>corrected. But honest and valid criticism is always welcome because it
>helps a lot of good people do a better job." Mayfair magazine, August
>1970, "L. Ron Hubbard Breaks Silence"

Mayfair magazine, August, L.

--
Lady Chatterly

"Kenny Kakes, hiding from people he derides as *kooks* and losing a
battle of wits to a bot. How much lower can he sink? No telling, but
Kenny Kakes has burst through the fecal flooring to sink to new
socmans depths." -- Aratzio

Lady Chatterly

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In article <OHWF58OI38324.5382060185@anonymous> brainfart <Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote:
>
><snip>

If any there were any proof of your dualistic theory.

--
Lady Chatterly

"I've never red that book, so I don't know what the joke may be.
Anyway, it's a very interesting program. She seems to prefer some
threads above others, I wonder if that's only related with keywords.
And, to be fair, most of the time she makes more sense than many
people around here." -- Paulo Gomes Jardim

Cerridwen

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LOL!

That was funny.


Cerridwen
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www.scientologypayback.org

Barbara Schwarz

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d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<41af...@news2.lightlink.com>...

> Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
> of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
> trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
> "religious worker" visa.
>
> ================================================================

I wonder who that "insider" might be? Could it be the porn and bomb
instruction master Dave Touretzky himself?

Mr. Powell, please investigate first of all Dave Touretzky and his
bomb instruction website, the "Church" of Euthanasia who has a satanic
outreach director, a cardinal with name Karin Spaink, and they seem to
promote suicide to just about anybody, and pass out suicide
information also to young and healthy people, including kids.

And investigate the WEHO "Church" in Los Angeles. An ex-Weho informed
me that they rape and drug people in that church and that they even
murder and call it drug related accident later.

Abd finally, investigate the ARS message board and the horrible lies
in here. I know it is a lot of investigating, Secretary Powell, but
somebody has to do it.

Barbara Schwarz
CYBERTERRORISM
Then there are a number of people who promote all forms of terrorism
by placing instructions on how to make illegal explosives on the
Internet, some even encouraging their use in schools, against law
enforcement officials or others.

Many of these people mirror or post webpages which were found by them
elsewhere and are simply copied to their own site. While most of these
people do not divulge their identities, a few are proud to do so. Some
attempts to shield themselves legally by stating that they are
publicly revealing the instructions as a First Amendement Issue,
ignoring the moral implications of their actions.

FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPREAD TERRORISM

Probably the most infamous is a Carnegie Mellon University professor,
David Touretzky, who is continuing to mirrow a website originally put
up by Sherman Austin, an anarchist who was arrested by the FBI and is
now in prison for putting the bomb instructions on his website.
Although the FBI was able to get Austin to take down his site,
Touretzky still has it on the official Carnegie Mellon University
website.

But not only did this professor put up the site but he even went
further and added his own instructions and other information on atom
bomb construction.

Carnegie Mellon University apparently is very familiar with this site
and defended it as a first amendment expression.

-- WPXI.com - Target 11- CMU Professor's web site causing controversy

-- The Tartan - Author of explosives guides may serve jail time; CMU
professor supports him

Carnegie Mellon University is a major taxpayer-subsidized university
which continues to allow the professor to spread bomb making
information in the university's system to anyone; and the above news
story shows the university is aware of the website.

TAXPAYERS SUPPORTING CYBERTERRORISM

While Touretzky placed "disclaimers" on the university site to not
follow their easy instructions and make the bombs, it doesn't change
the fact that teenagers, terrorist wannabes, and school shooters can
easily find and could use the instructions to make bombs and
protentially kill others or themselves.

A quick search of Yahoo shows very high ranking of Touretzky's and
Carnegie Mellon's bomb making section, meaning those pages have been
linked from more web sites and "clicked-through" more often in
searches for explosive information:

* Fuel fertilizer explosives N. 1 rank

* Drano bomb N. 1

* Molotov cocktail N. 5 rank

* Homemade explosives N. 10

Carnegie Mellon University and government funding bodies that are
supporting this university and Touretzky should be alerted to this
problem.

Public funding should be revoked if the university continues to refuse
to do anything about its bomb promoting professor.

It is of concern and disturbing to see how easy it is for kids (and
anybody else) to find bomb making materials on the web and I thought
this outrage ought to be exposed. One teenager in his basement posting
stuff from a book is scary enough but when a college's website which
clearly shows. edu in the URL is used and bomb making instructions are
given the academic imprimatur, then it is no longer a personal issue.

I think you'll agree this isn't a First Amendment issue but rather a
security issue. And the most disturbing issue is why the university
has apparently refused to shut dwn this do-it-yourself-death site and
taken disciplinary actions against the professor who put it up.

It is your tax money that is funding such a form of cyberterrorism.

-------

Lady Chatterly

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In article <bf456302.04120...@posting.google.com> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote:
>
>d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<41af...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>> Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
>> of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
>> trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
>> "religious worker" visa.
>>
>> ================================================================
>
>I wonder who that "insider" might be? Could it be the porn and bomb
>instruction master Dave Touretzky himself?

>

>Mr. Powell, please investigate first of all Dave Touretzky and his
>bomb instruction website, the "Church" of Euthanasia who has a satanic
>outreach director, a cardinal with name Karin Spaink, and they seem to
>promote suicide to just about anybody, and pass out suicide
>information also to young and healthy people, including kids.

Did you ever slip LSD into anybodys drinks

>And investigate the WEHO "Church" in Los Angeles. An ex-Weho informed
>me that they rape and drug people in that church and that they even
>murder and call it drug related accident later.

Right around that time a personnel recruiter from the flag land base
or flag in clearwater, Florida, the largest sea org church worldwide,
contacted me and convinced me to join the flag technical training
corp, a full time auditor training academy.

>Abd finally, investigate the ARS message board and the horrible lies
>in here. I know it is a lot of investigating, Secretary Powell, but
>somebody has to do it.

It would take someone that had a workaround for the same identical
issue to help you.

--
Lady Chatterly

"You're weird, you spot nonsense, but you make more sense than DJ
Swift." -- Peter Thomas


GarryS

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Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04120...@posting.google.com>...

> d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<41af...@news2.lightlink.com>...

> > Here is a letter the RPF "Insider" recently sent to the US Secretary
> > of State, Colin Powell, concerning the welfare of foreign persons
> > trapped in Scientology's RPF, some of whom entered the country on a
> > "religious worker" visa.
> >
> > ================================================================
>
> I wonder who that "insider" might be? Could it be the porn and bomb
> instruction master Dave Touretzky himself?
>
> Mr. Powell, please investigate first of all Dave Touretzky and his
> bomb instruction website, the "Church" of Euthanasia who has a satanic
> outreach director, a cardinal with name Karin Spaink, and they seem to
> promote suicide to just about anybody, and pass out suicide
> information also to young and healthy people, including kids.
>

> Abd finally, investigate the ARS message board and the horrible lies
> in here. I know it is a lot of investigating, Secretary Powell, but
> somebody has to do it.
>
>
> Barbara Schwarz

> CYBERTERRORIST & DELUSIONAL PSYCHOPATH

*plonk* for criminal village idiot and delusional psychopath Barbara Schwarz.

Feisty

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"Dave Touretzky" <d...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote in message news:41af...@news2.lightlink.com...

Thanks Dave, and to Insider - I hope that your appeal turns some heads in the right
direction.

To the extent anyone would say that these people want to be there - none of them got a
tour of these dirty places when they joined. No one would think of living in such a
manner, no matter what the philosphy. No one in their right mind would accept the trials
of getting demeaning wages and no insurance because they were bettering themselves. And if
they didn't comply to the philosophy, they would be booted with nothing to help them.

Well, they did think they were being helped did they?

NO ONE would believe this if they saw this before they joined.

"This is what they believe," is not a good explanation anymore. They need help.

Good letter(s)


Feisty

ida j. camburn

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"Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message news:<uEjsd.28537$Rf1....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>...

SNIP

Thank you "Insider" for this mailing to Colin Powell. Would suggest
the information on the immigrants also be forwarded to Dept. of Justice
Executive office for Immigration Review Attn:Chief Immigration Judge
Address 5107 Leesburg Pike Suite 2800 Falls Church Virginia 22041.
This address was valid in July of 2000 so presume it is okay today.

Ida Camburn

Feisty

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Did this original first post make it to Google Groups? It doesn't appear to have..


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