ESSAY: Ron the Evolutionary Biologist
Chris Owen
pseudoscientist and was certainly the richest, thanks to his
establishment of the notorious Scientology "religion". He claimed to be
a world-renowned scientist -
"[Scientology] was organized by L. Ron Hubbard, an American, who has
many degrees and is very skilled by reason of study... Hubbard was
trained in nuclear physics at George Washington University in
Washington, D.C. before he started his studies about the mind. This
explains the mathematical precision of Scientology. Doctor Hubbard has
been given many honors for his work in the field of the mind."
[Hubbard, "Scientology - Translator's Edition", Professional Auditor's
Bulletin no. 82, 1 May 1956]
Unfortunately, the degrees held by L. Ron Hubbard, "Ph.D., C.E." had in
fact been bestowed by a well-known degree mill in San Diego which was
eventually shut down by the Californian authorities. Nonetheless, it
didn't stop him from presenting himself as an expert on evolution and
biology, amongst many other things.
Hubbard's first "non-fiction" book (I use the description loosely) was
"Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health", published in June
1950. It was a bestseller; perhaps significantly, the next most popular
book at the time "Dianetics" was published was Immanuel Velikovsky's
classic of pseudoscience, "Worlds In Collision".
In "Dianetics", Hubbard proposed a basic principle of biology which
remains at the core of Scientology:
"It is fairly well accepted in these times that life in all forms
evolved from the basic building blocks, the virus and the cell. Its
only relevance to dianetics is that such a proposition works -- and
actually that is all we ask of dianetics. There is no point to writing
here a past tome on biology and evolution. We can add some chapters to
those things, but Charles Darwin did his job well, and the fundamental
principles of evolution can be found in his and other works.
The proposition on which dianetics was originally entered was
evolution. It was postulated that the cells themselves had the urge to
survive and that that urge was common to life. It was further
postulated that organisms -- individuals -- were constructed of cells
and were in fact aggregations of colonies of cells ...
The first law of dianetics is a statement of the dynamic principle
of existence.
THE DYNAMIC PRINCIPLE OF
EXISTENCE IS: SURVIVE!"
[Hubbard, "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health"]
By the time he published his next book, "Science of Survival", in 1951,
the hostile reaction he had received from the scientific community had
already turned Hubbard against conventional science:
"Materialistic science, operating on the premise that man came from
mud only ... has presented us at last with the immediate and real
threat of man's extinction as a species ... even the unthinking should
see the fact that something must be desperately wrong with the
teachings of the Lysenkos, the Darwins, and my learned schoolmates,
the atomic scientists who have given man at last for his gravespade
the atomic bomb ...
Francis Bacon, Newton, and the rest developed ways of thinking about
thinking and ways of reasoning about reason which have been
of considerable value to Dianetics and without which, indeed,
Dianetics could not have been formulated. But Bacon and Newton did
not espouse the materialist cause. Their disciples developed the
doctrine that man came from mud and that man's destiny was mud."
[Hubbard, "Science of Survival," book 3 page 243, 1975 edition]
Hubbard continued his "research" into his version of the fundamentals of
biology. He outlined some of his "discoveries" in a lecture delivered
in September 1951, "Basic Reason - Basic Principles":
"There is no reason to doubt that plankton thinks. Its thinking is not
obvious because the organism cannot easily be observed to react to
changes in the environment. In 1937 over a period of six weeks,
certain experiments were made to demonstrate the thought processes of
monocellular organisms. The subjects for the experiment were some
slightly mobile bacteria in a drop of water. When cigarette smoke was
applied to the drop of water, the bacteria were observed to retreat.
This was repeated a few times, then steam was substituted for the
smoke. The same reaction was observed. When the steam was first used,
before any smoke had been applied, the bacteria did not respond to it
in any way. This is obviously a process of learning - at a microscopic
level."
[Hubbard, "Basic Reason - Basic Principles," in the Dianetic Auditor's
Bulletin, vol. 2 no. 3, September 1951]
Even dodgier are Hubbard's assertions that evolution is driven by the
"dissatisfaction" of organisms:
"A monocellular animalcule cannot adjust the environment to itself
very well. A monocell is not very mobile; it cannot swallow up a
continent or get to the moon or the planets - which same might some
day be necessary for survival. It becomes, therefore, very
dissatisfied with being a monocell and works its way up to being a
sponge. As a sponge it discovers that it is still held down by MEST
[Matter, Energy, Space, Time - i.e. the physical world] and cannot
control MEST to any degree so it becomes an invertebrate; then it goes
up and lies on the beach and becomes a quadruped and then a bird and
so on. All this in the interest of controlling MEST."
[Hubbard, "Basic Reason - Basic Principles," in the Dianetic Auditor's
Bulletin, vol. 2 no. 3, September 1951]
How on earth does an organism know what survival traits *might* be
useful some time in the indefinite future? Hubbard, of course, doesn't
say and doesn't provide any evidence. Nonetheless he goes on to discuss
Darwin's theory of natural selection, with predictably dismal results.
He also falls into the "Blind Watchmaker" trap which catches out many
creationists:
"There are too many data about the development of various species that
just do not fit into natural selection. In order to put forth the
theory of natural selection, all the data which points to direction
and planning in evolution has to be hidden and disregarded. It has
long been known to paleontologists that the horn of the rhinoceros
cannot be accounted for by natural selection. There are many things in
evolution which evolved slowly and smoothly for no apparent reason
unless it is admitted that planning and experimentation was going on
as a part of the life process."
[Hubbard, "Basic Reason - Basic Principles," in the Dianetic Auditor's
Bulletin, vol. 2 no. 3, September 1951]
In some respects this is actually worse pseudoscience than so-called
"Creation Science" - whereas creationists attribute the direction of
natural change to the conscious will of God, Hubbard attributes it even
more dubiously to the conscious will of organisms which in many cases do
not even have brains with which to think. (The unkind might take the
view that it's better not to have a brain at all than to have a
sophisticated brain and misuse it so much.) As usual with Hubbard's
statements, he makes sweeping statements ("it has long been known to
palaeontologists..." - which ones? when? where?) without any attribution
whatsoever.
The following year, 1952, saw the publication of what many people regard
as one of the all-time finest (and certainly one of the funniest) works
of pseudoscience, Hubbard's "A History of Man". This very unusual
account of human evolution is, amazingly, still in print - it can be
ordered from its publishers at http://www.bridgepub.com/descsl22.htm;
the following quotes come from the book's 1968 edition. The book is
undeniably one of Hubbard's most bizarre works - which is saying
something - and gives the distinct impression that its author was
chemically enhanced while writing it. As an Australian government
report commented, "To say it is an astonishing document does not
adequately convey the peculiar qualities or contents of The History of
Man ... For compressed nonsense and fantasy it must surpass anything
theretofore written."
The book starts with the modest promise that it is "a cold-blooded and
factual account of your last sixty trillion years", a number which
subsequently increases to seventy and then seventy-four trillion.
Hubbard sought to explain that the human body was occupied by both an
immortal spirit - a thetan - and a "genetic entity", or GE, "located
more or less in the centre of the body". The GE carried on through the
evolutionary line, "usually on the same planet - in this case, EARTH",
whereas the thetan only came to earth about 35,000 years ago to
supervise the development of caveman into homo sapiens. Thus the GE was
once "an anthropoid in the deep forests of forgotten continents or a
mollusc seeking to survive on the shore of some lost sea".
The mollusc - an ancestral clam, to which all sorts of traumatic events
occurred - has justly gained celebrity status amongst Scientology's
critics. Its traumas make it "a deadly incident but mostly when
restimulated on purpose" thanks to "the double-hinge problem" when the
clam could not decide which of its hinges to open.
"The hinge epicentres later become the hinges of the human jaw.
Should you desire to confirm this, describe to some uninitiated
person the death of a clam without saying what you are describing.
"Can you imagine a clam sitting on the beach, opening and closing
its shell very rapidly?" (Make a motion with your thumb and
forefinger of a rapid opening and closing). The victim may grip his
jaws with his hand and feel quite upset. He may even have to have a
few teeth pulled: At the very least he will argue as to whether or
not the shell stays open at the end or closed. And he will, with no
hint of the death aspect of it, talk about the "poor clam" and he
will feel quite sad emotionally."
The unfortunate clam had many other problems:
"The clam had an astonishing number of adventures for so minor a
creature. It would get things into its shell and be unable to get
them out. It would get its shell stuck open and be unable to shut
it. And it would come loose from its rocks under the surface of the
water and get tossed into the broil of the surf. And it would
become deserted by the tide and left to bake under a frying sun, a
quite uncomfortable situation which restimulates sometimes in a
sunburn."
The mere mention of these prehistoric incidents can, apparently, still
have painful consequences today. Hubbard advised:
"By the way, if you cannot take a warning, your discussion of
these incidents with the uninitiated in Scientology can produce
havoc. Should you describe "the clam" to some one, you may
restimulate it in him to the extent of causing severe jaw hinge
pain. One such victim, after hearing about a clam death could not
use his jaws for three days. Another "had to have" two molars
extracted because of the resulting ache. The clam and all these
incidents are very much present in the GE and can be restimulated
easily. So do not be sadistic with your describing them to people -
unless, of course, they belligerently claim that Man has no past
memory for his evolution. In that event, describe away. It makes
believers over and above enriching your friend the dentist who,
indeed, could not exist without these errors and incidents on the
evolutionary line!"
Be warned!
Hubbard goes on to describe the biological sequence of evolution.
First, he says, came "the photon converter" - algae and plankton.
Thereafter was "the HELPER", the first single-celled organism; the
Jellyfish; the Seaweed, "uprooted and cast shore [sic] by storms,
[which] gave Man some of his early experiences with sunlight in the
absence of water"; then the Clam; then the Weeper, "originally called
"the Grim Weeper" or the Boohoo" of which Hubbard observes: "the plights
of THE WEEPER are many and pathetic". Indeed.
By the time the clams had struggled ashore they faced the horror of the
Birds (no connection to Hitchcock):
"Occasionally the creatures of the beach, still shell animals, had
their troubles with birds which had become so earlier [sic]. Birds of
a very crude construction developed a taste for clams. Clams had no
adequate defence against them. If a clam opened its shell, the bird
would thrust in a beak or a claw. If the clam then closed, the bird
would fly up into the air. The clam would let go, drop on a rock
and become bird food. If the clam didn't close, it became bird food
anyway.
Falling sensations, indecision and other troubles go with the BIRDS."
Many steps later we get to the Sloth,
"slow and easily attacked and he had bad times falling out of trees
when hit by snakes, falling off cliffs when attacked by baboons. And
the sloth was trying to THINK. The most pitiful painful efforts at
thinking are found in this series.
THE SLOTH is a chain of incidents and misadventures, mostly showing up
fear of snakes and of falling."
A while later we come to the Ape, "agile and intelligent", followed in
quick succession by the Piltdown [sic]. (Unfortunately for Hubbard,
just twelve months after "A History of Man" was published, the supposed
fossil remains of primitive man found in gravel on Piltdown Common in
the south of England were exposed as a hoax. Even so, even the most
recent editions of the book still refer to Piltdown Man.) The life of
Piltdown Man was evidently nasty, brutish and short:
"The PILTDOWN contains freakish acts of strange "logic," of
demonstrating dangerous [sic] on one's fellows, of eating one's wife
and other somewhat illogical activities. The PILTDOWN teeth were
ENORMOUS and he was quite careless as to whom and what he bit and
often very much surprised at the resulting damage."
Next we come to the Caveman, one step before homo sapiens:
"Marital malaction [sic] often goes back to the CAVEMAN. Any
condition of interpersonal relationships can be found in this area.
Jealousy and overt acts around it, strangling, smashing in heads
with rocks, quarrels about homes, tribal rebukes, pack instincts
can be found in THE CAVEMAN."
Finally we come to "homo novis" - New Man, Hubbard's modest name for the
end product of Scientology, who would possess awesome mental powers,
making it "a horrible temptation to knock off hats at fifty yards and
read books a couple of countries away."
By the 1960s, Hubbard had moved even further away from conventional
science. Although he had previously supported Darwinism, in June 1963
he solemnly informed his followers he had discovered that Darwin's
theory of evolution was the product of an alien mental implant (Saint
Hill Special Briefing Course lecture 274, "Levels of Case") created by
Helatrobus, "an interplanetary nation. A little pip squeak government
[which] didn't amount to very much". According to Hubbard, "There is an
implant, four galaxies over, that taught you that you came from apes.
The whole Darwinian theory is implanted there in about a day." (Saint
Hill Special Briefing Course lecture 281, "The Free Being"). In another
lecture he describes the "Darwin Implants" in detail:
"The Darwinian theory, which probably influenced Pavlov to the
greatest degree, is just an implant. That is an implant from man to
mud. And it starts out oddly enough with the goal, "to persist" ...
And then they show you your arrival, which you... See, actually they
have you in a cell for a while, so they show you being in the cell,
and then show you arriving in the room to be implanted. Got that? So
you've actually - if you were conscious when you went in the room, it
- you've got now two arrivals in the same room, see? And then they
show you - complete with pictures, not unlike a modern motion-picture
screen, they show you all that has happened to you, very briefly; they
give you background on how mean you are, and then they show you
getting implanted ...
Now, this incident - this incident, now with a wheel dating device
which gives you a series of numbers that gives you - gives you the
time of these events, shows you being implanted, shows you finished
implanting, shows you leaving - being pushed out of the implant room,
even shows you a couple of your fellow crew members, or something like
that, there, who are tied up ready to be put into the room, shows you
being put aboard a spaceship, shows you being taken to another planet,
shows you being dumped in the sea, and shows you start from the sea
and become seaweed and become this - and to work up stage by stage -
giving the millions of years which elapse on each step, see? And you
go on and on up the line, each step, each step, each step on an
evolutionary channel, and you run all the way through on these
evolutionary channels.
And then they push you out through that exact corridor, past the
exact two dummies that are tied up, to the exact spaceship, put you in
the exact capsule, drop you into that exact sea, and expect you to
make some seaweed and go on up the beach ...
But, the idea - that's very finite. That's a very short time ago.
That's only a couple of hundred million years ago. A lot of characters
around here got this, most of them become scientists. That actually is
the sole foundation of the Darwinian theory. That's the lot.
Evolution: there's no such thing.
Bodies don't evolve. They deteriorate, but they don't evolve. You
can trace all kinds of reasons how they evolve, and why they evolve,
and you can figure it all out, but the truth of the matter is when you
get horses on a planet, somebody came along and mocked up [created]
some horses! Now they also mocked up these horses with the capability
of growing hair or not growing hair. You've got adjustment factors,
but not evolution factors. So you confuse the adjustment factors and
prove the whole theory of evolution. And now you know man came from
mud, and you can write a book like Pavlov and get the whole world
poisoned. You see how this one goes?"
[Hubbard, "Errors in Time", lecture of 18 July 1963]
This pretty much brings us up to the present day. Scientology today
uses the following definition of Darwinism:
"the theory that man is an animal who arose as a result of a
spontaneous accident from a "sea of ammonia," and by the stages of
development called "evolution," arrived at the proud estate (social
status; rank) of a two-legged wog. The "man-from-mud" theory was taken
by scientists from Egyptian demonology (study of demons) and foisted
off (imposed by fraud) on man as "modern thought." "
[from Hubbard, "Scientology, A New Slant On Life" - last reprinted
1998]
All of the material quoted above is still very much part of what
Scientologists are taught. It's no wonder that the movement has been
described as being profoundly anti-science; Hubbard is, if anything, the
high priest of pseudoscience. What is particularly depressing about the
whole thing - as with "creation science" - is that it originates out of
ignorance and thrives on ignorance. With 95% of American schoolchildren
falling behind their contemporaries in 20 other rich countries by the
time they reach the 12th grade, it's no wonder that such nonsensical
pseudoscience is getting a foothold in the US - and when it gets as
wealthy and well-organised as Scientology, it can spread overseas as
well. Welcome to the 21st century...
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JGrice1613
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> After one alloys his reality, does he expect others to make the same mistake?
After one exrats his fegel, does he expect filbercarb to make the same
griigle?
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Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.OISPAMNOdemon.co.uk> writes:
SONG: Old Man Hubbard Had Some Clams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
see below
: The History of Man Song
(''El Rotundo had some clams...'')
tune is ''Old MacDonald Had a Farm''
In LRon Hubbard's book ''The Evolution of Man'', he states that we
evolved from clams, gulping shellfish called ''BooHoos'', sloths that
fell from trees, etc.
OLD Rotundo had some clams, As Ron says man evolved;
And they were on the path to man, As Ron says man evolved.
With a...
SnapSnap here, SnapSnap there, here a Snap, there a Snap,
everywhere a SnapSnap,
Old Rotundo had some clams, As Ron says man evolved.
Vs.2
Boo-HOOS and weepers next we were, As Ron says man evolved;
That gulped and sobbed and gasped for air, As Ron says man evolved.
With a...
BooHoo here, BooHoo there, here a Boo, there a Boo,
everywhere a BooHoo;
SnapSnap here, SnapSnap there, here a Snap, there a Snap,
everywhere a SnapSnap;
Boo-HOOS and weepers next we were,
As Ron says man evolved.
Vs.3
Then were Sloths that feel from trees, As Ron says man evolved;
And hung arse-upwards by their knees, As Ron says man evolved.
With a...
WhoopsThud here, WhoopsThud there, here a Whoops, there a Whoops,
everywhere a WhoopsThud;
BooHoo here, BooHoo there, here a Boo, there a Boo,
everywhere a BooHoo;
SnapSnap here, SnapSnap there, here a Snap, there a Snap,
everywhere a SnapSnap;
then were Sloths that feel from trees,
As Ron says man evolved.
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Next Piltdown Man who had big teeth, As Ron says man evolved;
And with those teeth he ate his wife, As Ron says man evolved.
With a...
ChompChomp here, ChompChomp there, here a Chomp, there a Chomp,
everywhere a ChompChomp;
WhoopsThud here, WhoopsThud there, here a Whoops, there a Whoops,
everywhere a WhoopsThud;
BooHoo here, BooHoo there, here a Boo, there a Boo,
everywhere a BooHoo;
SnapSnap here, SnapSnap there, here a Snap, there a Snap,
everywhere a SnapSnap;
Next Piltdown Man who had big teeth, As Ron says man evolved.
Vs.5
And now as Humans here we stand, As Ron says man evolved;
If this lot's true then I'll be damned, As Ron says man evolved.
With a...
StuffThat here, StuffThat there, here a Stuff, there a Stuff,
everywhere a StuffThat;
ChompChomp here, ChompChomp there, here a Chomp, there a Chomp,
everywhere a ChompChomp;
WhoopsThud here, WhoopsThud there, here a Whoops, there a Whoops,
everywhere a WhoopsThud;
BooHoo here, BooHoo there, here a Boo, there a Boo,
everywhere a BooHoo;
SnapSnap here, SnapSnap there, here a Snap, there a Snap,
everywhere a SnapSnap;
And now as Humans here we stand,
AS RON SAYS....MAN E...VOLVED.
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In article <20000401125838...@ng-bk1.aol.com>,
jgric...@aol.com (JGrice1613) wrote:
> After one alloys his reality, does he expect others to make the same
> mistake?
When the flurk is swonking in the plorgle smap, has he really lonked?
Cap.
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In article <38e5c26f...@nntp.lightlink.com>, shy_...@nospam.org
wrote:
> On 01 Apr 2000 17:58:38 GMT, jgric...@aol.com (JGrice1613) wrote:
>
> > After one alloys his reality, does he expect others to make the same
> > mistake?
>
> After one exrats his fegel, does he expect filbercarb to make the same
> griigle?
Paisan'! 8-)
Cap.
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"Shy David www.xenu.net" <shy_...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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> On 01 Apr 2000 17:58:38 GMT, jgric...@aol.com (JGrice1613) wrote:
>
> > After one alloys his reality, does he expect others to make the same
mistake?
>
> After one exrats his fegel, does he expect filbercarb to make the same
> griigle?
Please don't misrepresent what JGrice said... he made himself perfectly
*clear* on Feb 27th in Message-ID:
<20000227014226...@ng-fg1.aol.com>:
"Are not doing what you are suppose to be doing because somebody made you do
something you would have rather not have done? "
</me mutters 'your brain on scientology'> And I think I may even agree with
JGrice. ;-)
jWog
William Barwell
Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.OISPAMNOdemon.co.uk> wrote:
>L. Ron Hubbard was probably the 20th century's most successful
>pseudoscientist and was certainly the richest, thanks to his
>establishment of the notorious Scientology "religion". He claimed to be
>a world-renowned scientist -
>
> "[Scientology] was organized by L. Ron Hubbard, an American, who has
> many degrees and is very skilled by reason of study... Hubbard was
> trained in nuclear physics at George Washington University in
> Washington, D.C. before he started his studies about the mind. This
> explains the mathematical precision of Scientology. Doctor Hubbard has
> been given many honors for his work in the field of the mind."
>
The sad part is so many people escape school with such
a small understanding of science they can fall for this crap
of Hubbard's.
It all just leaves one kind of speechless, after a certain
point, there isn't much you can say about Hubbard's vast
ignorance and his pretensions.
Its just too massive an edifice of ignorance for words
to express.
Another excellent effort, Chris.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
Cornelius Krasel
> L. Ron Hubbard was probably the 20th century's most successful
> pseudoscientist
I guess Chris will at some point web this himself, but for the point
being it can be found at
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
--Cornelius.
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Chris Owen
Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes
>Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.oispamnodemon.co.uk> wrote:
>> L. Ron Hubbard was probably the 20th century's most successful
>> pseudoscientist
>
>being it can be found at
> http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
It'll form part of "Ron the Scientist" at some future point.
Shy David www.xenu.net
> > > After one alloys his reality, does he expect others to make the same
> mistake?
> > After one exrats his fegel, does he expect filbercarb to make the same
> > griigle?
> Please don't misrepresent what JGrice said... he made himself perfectly
> *clear* on Feb 27th in Message-ID:
> <20000227014226...@ng-fg1.aol.com>:
>
> "Are not doing what you are suppose to be doing because somebody made you do
> something you would have rather not have done? "
Sure looks like just the poster boy the Church of ECTology is looking
for!
> </me mutters 'your brain on scientology'> And I think I may even agree with
> JGrice. ;-)
Now that's a scary thought.
> jWog
John Ritson
>L. Ron Hubbard was probably the 20th century's most successful
>pseudoscientist and was certainly the richest, thanks to his
>establishment of the notorious Scientology "religion". He claimed to be
>a world-renowned scientist -
>
> "[Scientology] was organized by L. Ron Hubbard, an American, who has
> many degrees and is very skilled by reason of study... Hubbard was
> trained in nuclear physics at George Washington University in
> Washington, D.C. before he started his studies about the mind. This
> explains the mathematical precision of Scientology. Doctor Hubbard has
> been given many honors for his work in the field of the mind."
>
> [Hubbard, "Scientology - Translator's Edition", Professional Auditor's
> Bulletin no. 82, 1 May 1956]
>
>Unfortunately, the degrees held by L. Ron Hubbard, "Ph.D., C.E." had in
>fact been bestowed by a well-known degree mill in San Diego which was
>eventually shut down by the Californian authorities. Nonetheless, it
>didn't stop him from presenting himself as an expert on evolution and
>biology, amongst many other things.
<cavil> 'Bare-faced Messiah' says that 'Sequoia University' was run by
chiropractor and naturopath Dr. Joseph Hough from 'downtown Los
Angeles'. </cavil>
[big snip of good stuff]
John *** "PLEASE INFORM DR HOUGH PHD VERY ACCEPTABLE. PRIVATELY TO YOU. FOR GOSH
SAKES EXPEDITE. WORK HERE UTTERLY DEPENDANT ON IT." - L. Ron Hubbard ***
Chris Owen
<jo...@jritson.demon.co.uk> writes
>
><cavil> 'Bare-faced Messiah' says that 'Sequoia University' was run by
>chiropractor and naturopath Dr. Joseph Hough from 'downtown Los
>Angeles'. </cavil>
Oops. My mistake - thanks.
Shy David www.xenu.net
<jo...@jritson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Unfortunately, the degrees held by L. Ron Hubbard, "Ph.D., C.E." had in
> >fact been bestowed by a well-known degree mill in San Diego which was
> >eventually shut down by the Californian authorities. Nonetheless, it
> >didn't stop him from presenting himself as an expert on evolution and
> >biology, amongst many other things.
> <cavil> 'Bare-faced Messiah' says that 'Sequoia University' was run by
> chiropractor and naturopath Dr. Joseph Hough from 'downtown Los
> Angeles'. </cavil>
Perhaps the San Diego one was called "Patriot University" which moved
from a post office box at a motel to a suburban residence.
> [big snip of good stuff]
> John *** "PLEASE INFORM DR HOUGH PHD VERY ACCEPTABLE. PRIVATELY TO YOU. FOR GOSH
> SAKES EXPEDITE. WORK HERE UTTERLY DEPENDANT ON IT." - L. Ron Hubbard ***
Baba ROM DOS
>In article <7hp5c8...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Cornelius
>Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes
>>Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.oispamnodemon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> pseudoscientist
>>
>>being it can be found at
>> http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
>
>It'll form part of "Ron the Scientist" at some future point.
In lumping Hubbard with Velikovsky, you are being rather
unkind to Velikovsky. Velikovsky was a legitimate scientist,
at least at the beginning of his career, with a real degree,
real publications, and real medical research behind him
before he wandered off into astrophysics-through-mythology,
and lost it. Hubbard was a fraud, and nothing but a fraud.
El Roto
<da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
SNIP
>
> Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never
him
> forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
> proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space. Half
> a virtual coconut for anyone who figures out how come we have
> seedless bananas (clue: same way we have seedless grapes). I
> always associate bananas -- even more aptly -- with the Velcro
Cow,
> as I associate Tomatoes with Hubbard. I'm sure his book on
planet
> billiards influenced a passage in Douglas Adams, though.
>
>
I was always under the impression that bananas don't come in a
seedless variety. It's not necessary as their seeds are so tiny
that it takes a good look to even notice them. Does anyone else
agree or have I gone...you know.
Steve 'Yes, we have no bananas!" G.
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Chris Owen
<Baba_R...@hotmail.com> writes
>Chris Owen wrote in message <6K99UBAt...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>...
>>In article <7hp5c8...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Cornelius
>>Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes
>>>Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.oispamnodemon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> pseudoscientist
>>>
>>>being it can be found at
>>> http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
>>
>>It'll form part of "Ron the Scientist" at some future point.
>
>In lumping Hubbard with Velikovsky, you are being rather
>unkind to Velikovsky. Velikovsky was a legitimate scientist,
>at least at the beginning of his career, with a real degree,
>real publications, and real medical research behind him
>before he wandered off into astrophysics-through-mythology,
>and lost it. Hubbard was a fraud, and nothing but a fraud.
While their origins may have differed, the end results are pretty much
the same, I reckon...
It also says something about the tastes of the US public at the time
that Hubbard's nearest rival in terms of sales was Velikovsky.
Dave Bird
<Baba_R...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Chris Owen wrote in message <6K99UBAt...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>...
>>In article <7hp5c8...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Cornelius
>>Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes
>>>Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.oispamnodemon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> pseudoscientist
>>>
>>>being it can be found at
>>> http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
>>
>>It'll form part of "Ron the Scientist" at some future point.
>
>
>In lumping Hubbard with Velikovsky, you are being rather
>unkind to Velikovsky. Velikovsky was a legitimate scientist,
>at least at the beginning of his career, with a real degree,
>real publications, and real medical research behind him
>before he wandered off into astrophysics-through-mythology,
>and lost it. Hubbard was a fraud, and nothing but a fraud.
Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never him
forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space. Half
a virtual coconut for anyone who figures out how come we have
seedless bananas (clue: same way we have seedless grapes). I
always associate bananas -- even more aptly -- with the Velcro Cow,
as I associate Tomatoes with Hubbard. I'm sure his book on planet
billiards influenced a passage in Douglas Adams, though.
Baba ROM DOS
>In article<8cb0s...@enews3.newsguy.com>, Baba ROM DOS
><Baba_R...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>Chris Owen wrote in message <6K99UBAt...@lutefisk.demon.co.uk>...
>>>In article <7hp5c8...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de>, Cornelius
>>>Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes
>>>>Chris Owen <chr...@lutefisk.oispamnodemon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> pseudoscientist
>>>>
>>>>being it can be found at
>>>> http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/books/chris_owen/
>>>
>>>It'll form part of "Ron the Scientist" at some future point.
>>
>>
>>In lumping Hubbard with Velikovsky, you are being rather
>>unkind to Velikovsky. Velikovsky was a legitimate scientist,
>>at least at the beginning of his career, with a real degree,
>>real publications, and real medical research behind him
>>before he wandered off into astrophysics-through-mythology,
>>and lost it. Hubbard was a fraud, and nothing but a fraud.
>
> Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never him
> forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
> proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space.
Yow! Which book did *that* howler come out of? It's been
years since I read any of his stuff, but I remember that he
seemed to have gone rapidly and progressively more insane
from the opening chapters of Worlds in Collision onwards.
His initial thesis, that we might be able to infer something
about real historical/geophysical events by correlating
scriptural/mythical tales from early civilizations, remains
interesting. As his background was medicine and psychiatry
rather than physics, I could forgive him for *proposing* the idea
that Venus was in a cometary orbit until a close enounter with
the Earth, but I never understood why he refused to revise that
hypothesis in the face of its physical impossibility. Rather than,
for example, advance a modified theory that the same cosmic
event that caused destruction on the Earth also perturbed Venus
enough to drastically change it's albedo - something that would
also explain everything he found in the mythico/historical record,
he retreated into paranoia and fantasy. I had no idea it
ultimately got as bad as Bananas from Space.
M. C. DiPietra
gopackN...@sprintmail.com.invalid escribe en 4/3/00 11:52 PM:
> In article <Xii3NxHA...@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave Bird
> <da...@xemu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>>
>> Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never
> him
>> forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
>> proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space. Half
>> a virtual coconut for anyone who figures out how come we have
>> seedless bananas (clue: same way we have seedless grapes). I
>> always associate bananas -- even more aptly -- with the Velcro
> Cow,
>> as I associate Tomatoes with Hubbard. I'm sure his book on
> planet
>> billiards influenced a passage in Douglas Adams, though.
>>
>>
>
> I was always under the impression that bananas don't come in a
> seedless variety. It's not necessary as their seeds are so tiny
> that it takes a good look to even notice them. Does anyone else
> agree or have I gone...you know.
>
> Steve 'Yes, we have no bananas!" G.
>
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>
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I have banana trees in my backyard. The burgundy flowers with yellow pistils
take 120 days to complete unfolding, one petal a day, and then the bananas
grow from the stalk left behind by the flower.
They look surreal, but have tiny seeds inside, like platanos do.
--
--- http://maggiecouncil.iuma.com
M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP4
"Hell, if you understood everything I say,
you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
Dave Bird
<Baba_R...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never him
>> forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
>> proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space.
>
Not sure, but it's in there somewhere.
In article<B50F98BF.FA29%mdip...@earthlink.net>, M. C. DiPietra
<mdip...@earthlink.net> writes:
>>> Whereas Velikov Vonk only became a fraud later. I will never
>> him
>>> forget him saying the fact that our table bananas are seedless
>>> proves they do not reproduce and come from outer space. Half
>>> a virtual coconut for anyone who figures out how come we have
>>> seedless bananas (clue: same way we have seedless grapes). I
>>> always associate bananas -- even more aptly -- with the Velcro
>> Cow,
>>> as I associate Tomatoes with Hubbard. I'm sure his book on
>> planet
>>> billiards influenced a passage in Douglas Adams, though.
>>
>> I was always under the impression that bananas don't come in a
>> seedless variety. It's not necessary as their seeds are so tiny
>> that it takes a good look to even notice them. Does anyone else
>> agree or have I gone...you know.
>
>I have banana trees in my backyard. The burgundy flowers with yellow pistils
>take 120 days to complete unfolding, one petal a day, and then the bananas
>grow from the stalk left behind by the flower.
>
>They look surreal, but have tiny seeds inside, like platanos do.
I don't have a banana tree in my yard, but I'm told wild red bananas
have socking great seeds like dates. We get seedless bananas like
we get seedless grapes -- not because they came on UFOs -- but because
somebody messed around with a breed that had smaller and less viable
seeds, until they got a freak with no seeds at all that couldn't
reproduce itself unaided.
Then they took cuttings from it because they liked seedless fruit....
Thomas J Best
t...@ibexbsc.com wrote in message
<5rnlesckv74q5smkd...@4ax.com>...
<snip>
>Thank god all the UFOs left behind is seedless sock puppets. When you
consider
>the truly frightening things they could have forgotten, the idiot sock
puppets
>are just bad enough to set a memorable example. Seedless nuts? Now
that's be
>horrifying.
>
>--
>
>Ted (t...@ibexbsc.com)
Why do you think the UFOnauts use those stainless steel rectal probes?
Come on, Ted. Have you forgotten the ARSCC(wdne) initiation rites
already? Next thing you know, you'll be asking questions about goats
and green 'jello'. I've never been able to work out what makes an
adequate substitute here in OZ (what is 'jello', anyway ?) but we get by
with Vegemite, somehow. Not that the ARSCC(wdne) Arcane Rites
Controllers ever worried. Huh! ARC!
tam
podkayne
<thoma...@netscape.net> wrote:
Jell-o is a brand name for flavoured gelatine; I think they've lost the
fight to keep 'jello' from being a generic term.
--
lawyer: "And Xenu is the evil galactic overlord according to the
Church of Scientology, correct?"
Rhea Smith, CoS Internet Monitor: "Yes, it is."
Read more Heinlein
Dave Bird
<podk...@aol.com> writes:
>> Why do you think the UFOnauts use those stainless steel rectal probes?
>> Come on, Ted. Have you forgotten the ARSCC(wdne) initiation rites
>> already? Next thing you know, you'll be asking questions about goats
>> and green 'jello'. I've never been able to work out what makes an
>> adequate substitute here in OZ (what is 'jello', anyway ?)
>
>fight to keep 'jello' from being a generic term.
In Britain flavoured gelatine sweets are JELLY (which is emphatically
not any kind of sticky stewed fruit-and-sugar mix, that's JAM).
I suspect Australia uses the British words.
Thomas J Best
t...@ibexbsc.com wrote in message ...
<snip>
>
>Yup, still having nightmares about that initiation ceremony. Years
>later. 'Course the later parts were okay. Once you've squicked the
>polished eye holes at the altar ... well, it changes your life!
SSSSSShhhhhhh...... I'm glad you're using the umbra keys....
phew, imagine mentioning the "squick, squick, squick" in public!
>
>Funny you should mention Vegemite. I was all set to suggest that
>maybe the only down south substitute for lime jello was Vegemite, aged
>in a damp cellar, for a couple of years. I can't figure out how you
>get the goat near the stuff, though. I that even a BBQ fork would be
>compelling enough for that. (Does vegemite have little diced celery
>and shredded carrot bits in it? Curiosity'll get the goat, every
>time.)
Celery and carrots only after the ritual ingestion exercises, followed
by the sacred regurgitation. (Hint: it makes for a really smooth
'squicking' as the skull gets passed around.) Hey, that reminds
me, wasn't it due in Alice Springs last week, after Sweden's
big win? Aussie goats are game for anything, no barbecue forks required!
Hint: Vegemite needs no aging.
>Jello's a highly commercialized brand of gelatin. I've been told that
>it's made from rancid cooking grease and horses hooves -- by different
>rendering methods, maybe. (The same as lip stick, oddly enough.)
Hey, are you trying an arcane Godwin's Law trick here?
>Betcha there's already some rancid cooking grease and horse's hooves
>in Vegemite. That's gotta cut the aging time tremendously, eh?!
>(One more reason to avoid those tester recruitment missions those ARC
>sadists send out.)
Last I heard, gelatin was made from any old bones available. Urban myth
has it that tonnes of them come from India, and you know what those Hindus
do
with their dead....;->
>Xenu loves ya!
This I know.
Because LRon told me so.....
\umbra key off/
tam
barb
They used to use mummies from Egypt until the British Museum took them
all. Now it's just a matter of collecting bones from various massacre
sites. I can't wait for the Uganda Ten Commandments flavored jello to
come out! The Jonestown Jello wasn't bad, but it reeked of almonds.
--
barb
"copy c:\clams.scn c:\scienos\scienos.pod"
-Sten (Koos Koos) Arne
Thomas J Best
>
>>Thomas J Best wrote:
>>>
>>> t...@ibexbsc.com wrote in message ...
>>> >"Thomas J Best" <thoma...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>> >Yup, still having nightmares about that initiation ceremony. Years
>>> >later. 'Course the later parts were okay. Once you've squicked the
>>> >polished eye holes at the altar ... well, it changes your life!
>>>
>>> SSSSSShhhhhhh...... I'm glad you're using the umbra keys....
>>> phew, imagine mentioning the "squick, squick, squick" in public!
>
Yes, I know what you mean. Last time I tried the 'Parson squick'
the 'scribe' ran off with the goat. Oh well.
<snip>
>>> Celery and carrots only after the ritual ingestion exercises, followed
>>> by the sacred regurgitation. (Hint: it makes for a really smooth
>>> 'squicking' as the skull gets passed around.)
>
>They lied to me! They told me they were lubed with the "milk" of
>virgins!
What lies? What kind of goats do you have over there anyway?
<snip>
>>>Aussie goats are game for anything, no barbecue forks required!
>>> Hint: Vegemite needs no aging.
>
>Then why do they put the date stamps on the bottom of the jars? I
>figured it was kinda like home brewers, who mark their bottles with
>the date the brew can be tasted. (The "Friday" bottles are always
>superb!) But, I digress. A friend has a jar with "01/1920" stamped
>on the bottom, so I figured he must be a closet vegemite speculator.
>OTOH, maybe it's some kind of Y2K thing.
Sshhh.. again.. don't you know about the 'hole track'? Gads, the
ARSCC (wdne) ARC boys have been falling down on the job again.
<snip>
>I thought they stuffed and mounted 'em for display in the town square,
>the same as it's done all over the US -- except for places where they
>display 'em in the front parlor, or in their family room trophy cases,
>next to the bowling and golf trophies. (It was different in the old
>country, where they'd just stand 'em up in their armor and buff'em up
>every couple of years. But that's another story.)
I like stories, especially those concerning how well you septics treat
your dead :-)
>>> >Xenu loves ya!
>>>
>>> This I know.
>>> Because LRon told me so.....
>
>Five times low,
>upon each check
>Vistril gave his mood a tweak!
>
>Yes, Xenu Loves You!
>Yup, Xenu Loves You!
>Say YAH! Xenu Loves You!
>'Cause El Rum told me so.
> ...
Thetans all to him belong
He is source and they are strong
Yes, Xenu loves me...
>>> \umbra key off/
>>>
>>> tam
>>
>>They used to use mummies from Egypt until the British Museum took them
>>all. Now it's just a matter of collecting bones from various massacre
>>sites. I can't wait for the Uganda Ten Commandments flavored jello to
>>come out! The Jonestown Jello wasn't bad, but it reeked of almonds.
>
>Ya, but it cures cancer. That's gotta count for something.
Mummies cure cancer? I knew there was a reason for keeping the
old bag around (just kidding! - I really do love her [HONEST, MA...
NO I'm not spending too much time on the internet. I'm not being
corrupted by salacious curvaceous young hoors.... OUCH]
later, guys... hehehehe
tam