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Claire Swazey  
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 More options Jul 2 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Claire Swazey <swa...@home.com>
Date: 1998/07/02
Subject: Re: Disconnection

DeoMorto wrote:

> Claire Swazey wrote:>> I have (non-Scientology) friends who
> > > disconnected from parents who kept trying to have sex with
> > > them.Naturally the friends objected to this and tried to get Daddy
> > > dearest to stop.Wouldn't stop.  (here's a charming direct quote from one
> > > of the afore-mentioned Daddies:  "I made 'em,I can touch 'em")  And
> > > here's a big surprise, my friend "disconnected".And so would I have
> > > (after pouring a pound of sugar in the f**kers gastank).  This is the
> > > type of thing disconnection is for.  It would much sadder to stay in
> > > contact with such a creep.

>   I had refrained from posting on this until this disingenuous posting of
> yours.
>   You are equating disconnection with the handling of sexual abuse - the two
> are neither similar nor even in the same category of thing and your attempt to
> try and draw a parallel is odious in the extreme.
>   My step son disconnected from his mother on new years day - he did it by
> phoning to her and telling her that because I was delcared, he was
> disconnecting from her as part of a "handling" from an ethics office.
>   Notwithstanding the fact that my has not been declared - the other fact is
> that as a family we have never objected to his being involved in scientology -
> and in fact I kept communication at a bare minimum between us so that his
> progress would not be impeded.
>   So you posting is a fabrication - this is not the way it works at all.

No, is not a fabrication.  This is the way it works in general.  I have
been around enough and been a student and staff member at enough centers
to know this.  But this is not to say abuses do not happen.  People are
not perfect, people do not always do what is right.  

>   What it takes if for the church to decide that someone is a suppressive and
> thus enforec the disconnection - there is no doubt about it Clare and your
> attempts to make it appear as if it is only used when there is some desperate
> situation are obfuscation and attempts to disguise this malevolent practice as
> something other than the controlling manipulation that it is.
>   How would you descriobe an organization that labels people for
>its own ends

No obfuscation here.  Look at my own unusual family history.  This was
not exaggerated. In fact it (the family history,I mean) was even worse
than that-- 7 Scn Ctrs did not find it necessary to ask me to
disconnect.That is fact,not fiction.

> and then enforces communication or non-communication upon its own members based
> on diktat?
>   A NAZI organization - and that would be being charitable.
>   You are shilling for scum

I am not shilling.I am a person putting in her two cents via usenet,as
you are doing.

I am sorry we are not in accord, and obviously your experiences have
been very different from mine and I am more sorry than I can possibly
say about that.  

> "He either fears his fate too much, or his rewards are small, who fears to put
> it to the touch, to win -or lose it all""

Best wishes,

Claire Swazey


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