Christmas Truce 1997
Sassie10
There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
another truce for Christmas Day this year.
Happy Holidays,
Sassie
================================================
On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:44:02 -0500, Bev <dbj...@iag.net> wrote:
>Hi all!! I'm going to be having some company and doing
>many things for the next week or so and so most likely will
>not be on the NG.
>
>I would, however, like to take this time to wish everybody
>a very Merry Christmas (Ho-Ho-Ho). You know what they say,
>be good, but if you can't be good . . . don't get caught!!
>
>Beverly :)
In keeping with Bev's Holiday wishes I would like to extend a
proposal to everyone who posts here.
Could we have a Christmas Day truce on ars? Part of the
observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
who would value our companionship for that day.
Seasons Greetings,
Sassie
================================================
Subject: Christmas Truce (Was Happy Holiday!!)
From: sass...@aol.com (Sassie10)
Date: 1996/12/20
Message-ID: <19961220090...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Ted Mayett (KoX)
On 19 Dec 1997 07:30:35 GMT, sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
> Part of the
>observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
>family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
>who would value our companionship for that day.
>
>Seasons Greetings,
>Sassie
P/m
Hypocrite.
10:45PM Thur night, 12/19. 7 vehicles at the big org, 1 at the little
org. Next Wed, 12/24, Christmas Eve, 10:45 at night, both orgs will
be open again. Thursday, 12/25, Christmas Day, both orgs will open
and close at regular business hours.
Luck you, you get to spend time with family and friends. Staff
members nation wide *must* come in for another day of business.
So what is going to happen Christmas Eve, and Christmas day between
8pm and 11pm? Why are these orgs open? They might sell a book? Is
that it?
Scientology is compatible with Christianity. Or so it is claimed.
This year, more than any other, scientology will be noticed.
Did you ever think to shut the orgs down on the one big Christian
Holiday that comes each year? Just shut them down. Perhaps fool the
Christian Wogs. Perhaps make them think... something???
But no, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day it will be business as usual
for a scientology org. Because scientology, except for the hypocrisy
of some hidden people, does not honor Christmas.
There are Stats and there is GI. And no silly holiday will interrupt
that. <sigh>
If possible I'll do a vehicle count Christmas Eve.
Or maybe I'll give them a call and ask if now is a good time to come
in and purchase a Comm Course.
Sassie, no truce will stop news stories on Lisa from coming through.
PS. 10:45pm the little org is *still* open for business in a poor and
dangerous neighborhood. The only other two stores open anywhere near
the CC are a 7-11 and a Liquor Store. They are both a block away.
Nothing else is open. It really is quite sad.
I'd love to know the Stat for merchandise sold between 10-11pm at
night. You people are sick.
--
Ted Mayett OT 1.1
http://xenu.phys.uit.no/cgi-bin/globloc.cgi
Frank Copeland
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Sassie10 <sass...@aol.com> wrote:
>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
Name one. I don't remember any 'truce' during last years' solstice, or the
one before. Deja News shows 179 articles in ARS dated 25 December 1996. Most
of the usual suspects posted.
If things got quiet during the holidays it was because it was the holidays.
I doubt I'll be on the net on December 25, but that's because I'll be
spending time with my family, and most likely pissed (that's drunk for the
English-challenged). Then again, I might just take the opportunity to
introduce a few relatives to my hobby and show them around a few web sites.
A permanent Internet connection is a Wonderful Thing.
- --
Home Page: <URL:http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/>
Not the Scientology Home Page: <URL:http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/>
Keep it in Usenet. E-mail replies and 'courtesy' copies are not welcome.
If you're selling, I ain't buying.
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Exile49
Count me out. There are too many people, including Lisa McPherson, who are
not around to celebrate Christmas because of $cientology.
No cease fire until they stop hurting people, no cease fire until they
renounce their psuedo medical claims.
No cease fire as long as they have the "Isolation Run-Down."
The Exile
"James Stewart has been put in a Condition of Doubt for having [epileptic]
seizures in public and thus invalidating Scientology." -posted on the notice
board, Edinburgh Org., cited by Jon Atack, pg. 184.
Deana M. Holmes (NED for OTs Series)
sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
I'll do it, but only if CoS gives org staff the day off.
Otherwise, it doesn't mean jack doodly.
Deana
Deana M. Holmes
alt.religion.scientology archivist since February 1995
Defied David Miscavige's Intention Beams, November 1, 1997
mir...@super.zippo.com
John C. Randolph
In <19971219073...@ladder01.news.aol.com> Sassie10 wrote:
-> There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
-> another truce for Christmas Day this year.
WTF?
If I'm tired of ARS, I just don't read the group for a day or a week.
Participation here is voluntary[1], you know.
[1] Unless you're a member of a nut-cult with a billion-year contract and
you're
assigned to write RonsAmigo posts all day.
-jcr
--
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Chief Technology Officer, WARPnet Incorporated.
@"Hey, %s! You're a NAZI, and you can't spell!"
Alec
Sassie10 wrote in message <19971219073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
>Could we have a Christmas Day truce on ars? Part of the
>observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
>family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
>who would value our companionship for that day.
Is ARS a game of tit for tat?--that we could give it a break?
This is a one-sided effort to expose a Fraud. That OSA is here directing
their spite at us is their effort at disruption, and does not define ARS as
a two-sided battle. The Battlefield is Earth, and ARS is the Press.
Exposure of the fraud is to happen whether or not we have hecklers in our
midst.
We have never waited for their tit before we issued a tat. Your offer is a
distortion of our purpose. If we have cognitions without publishing them,
then the cognition itself relieves some of our outrage. Having experienced
this relief, we won't feel the cause to publish it later. Toss it while it
boils.
Are you doing Liability Condition?--and this is your "blow against the
enemy"?
OSA never considered they were participating here. They have to make their
feeble jabs so they won't get assigned to the Scientology Penitentiary--the
RPF.
Your offer reduces duty to convenience. If you want to slack-off, just do
it. If you're afraid you'll miss something then don't go away.
---Alec
Alan Furman
In article <349a2b8f...@snews.zippo.com>,
Ted Mayett (KoX) <te...@skylink.net> wrote:
>On 19 Dec 1997 07:30:35 GMT, sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
>
>> Part of the
>>observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
>>family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
>>who would value our companionship for that day.
>>
>>Seasons Greetings,
>>Sassie
Tell it to the people who won't be able to see their own grandchildren
because the middle generation was ordered by the vicious criminal cult
of Scientology to "disconnect."
Show me evidence that the vicious criminal cult of Scientology is allowing
"Christmas truces" under its "disconnect orders."
>Hypocrite.
Fuckin' aye.
>10:45PM Thur night, 12/19. 7 vehicles at the big org, 1 at the little
>org. Next Wed, 12/24, Christmas Eve, 10:45 at night, both orgs will
>be open again. Thursday, 12/25, Christmas Day, both orgs will open
>and close at regular business hours.
>
>Luck you, you get to spend time with family and friends. Staff
>members nation wide *must* come in for another day of business.
>
>So what is going to happen Christmas Eve, and Christmas day between
>8pm and 11pm? Why are these orgs open? They might sell a book? Is
>that it?
>
>Scientology is compatible with Christianity. Or so it is claimed.
>This year, more than any other, scientology will be noticed.
>
>Did you ever think to shut the orgs down on the one big Christian
>Holiday that comes each year? Just shut them down. Perhaps fool the
>Christian Wogs. Perhaps make them think... something???
>
>But no, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day it will be business as usual
>for a scientology org. Because scientology, except for the hypocrisy
>of some hidden people, does not honor Christmas.
>
>There are Stats and there is GI. And no silly holiday will interrupt
>that. <sigh>
>
>If possible I'll do a vehicle count Christmas Eve.
>Or maybe I'll give them a call and ask if now is a good time to come
>in and purchase a Comm Course.
>
>Sassie, no truce will stop news stories on Lisa from coming through.
--
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NoGoot
In article <67ecot$k...@shell1.aimnet.com>, al...@aimnet.com (Alan Furman)
writes:
>Tell it to the people who won't be able to see their own
>grandchildren because the middle generation was
>ordered by the vicious criminal cult of Scientology
>to "disconnect."
Alan makes an excellent point. There is a huge group of
unseen, unheard victims of the tactics of the CoS. I, myself,
had the false concept, inculcated early on, of the destructive
nature of anybody who criticized Scientology. As a result,
I did try to limit my children's exposure to their grandparents.
The practice of "disconnect"ing is *rarely*, *rarely* used
anymore. These days would see more of a passive
disconnect than an overt, vocal statement of
disconnection. This passe policy was seen as a real
PR destroyer, as was "Fair Game", sometime in the
late '70's, IIRC. Both are still used, but are not openly
stated as such when they are.
NoGoot
NoGoot
In article <19971219073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sass...@aol.com
(Sassie10) writes:
>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
Fellow Christians can have and have had truces on Christmas Day. This is
because they see in each other a commonality, and can throw away any political
or idealogical differences for that one day because of the commonality.
Scientologists, however, by order of policy by L. Ron Hubbard, cannot feel that
commonality for their "avowed and knowing enemies", real or imagined. As a
matter of fact, it anyone is declared "suppressive" by the organization, the
*ONLY* person he/she is allowed to communicate with in Scientology, is the
person holding the post of International Justice Chief in Clearwater, Florida.
Scientologists *should* be able to feel that commonality with _all_ people:
suppressives, wogs, scientologists -- everybody; if they were following their
policy of the Eight Dynamics. But they would prefer to separate from the rest
of society by continuing the practices of attacking and suing critics,
declaring people, RPF'ing Staff members, liability formulas, etc.; which
*violate* the basic principles upon which all of Scientology was based, such as
the Overt/Motivator Sequence, Eight Dynamics and ARC Triangle.
For this reason, a truce with Scientology would be a one sided truce: as we
walk across the field of battle to shake hands with them, they'll be walking
toward us from their side with weapons carefully concealed, waiting for the
perfect moment to rid the world of what they consider to be the lowest forms
inhabiting it: the SP's.
No Truce!
NoGoot!
Phillip Zadarnowski
sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
[...]
>Could we have a Christmas Day truce on ars? Part of the
>observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
>family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
>who would value our companionship for that day.
I'll cut ya a deal. Your part of the truce will be not to
log on and read ARS, thus saving yourself the stress on
'christmas' day (a meaningless holiday to Scientology),
and my part of the truce will be to provide a lot of
postings that you won't have to read. Happy?
William Barwell
In article <19971219195...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
NoGoot <nog...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <67ecot$k...@shell1.aimnet.com>, al...@aimnet.com (Alan Furman)
>writes:
>
>
>anymore. These days would see more of a passive
>disconnect than an overt, vocal statement of
>disconnection. This passe policy was seen as a real
>PR destroyer, as was "Fair Game", sometime in the
>late '70's, IIRC. Both are still used, but are not openly
>stated as such when they are.
>
>NoGoot
I noted when I went to the new Houston Scientology Bookstore a few months
ago, that they had a prominently displayed pile of the book "Introduction
to Scientology Ethics". It has a 4 page section devoted to disconnection.
So yes, it is still policy, and that policy is in their basic 'ethics'
book which is still sold. They may have to tread lightly for PR's
sake, but they have not given this up by any means.
I do note that last year, when the 13 year old Sea Org slave "Tonya"
engineered her escape from the Saint Hill Sea Org with the help of
local police and Germany's Ursuala Camberta, Tonya's parents immediately
disconnected from her.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
mor...@gte.net
In article <19971219073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
>
> There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
> another truce for Christmas Day this year.
>
> Sassie
>
> ================================================
> On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:44:02 -0500, Bev <dbj...@iag.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi all!! I'm going to be having some company and doing
> >many things for the next week or so and so most likely will
> >not be on the NG.
> >
> proposal to everyone who posts here.
>
> observance of the holiday is the occasion to spend time with
> family and friends. I'm sure everyone one us has someone
> who would value our companionship for that day.
>
> Sassie
Dear Sassie, Many of us on ARS have friends and family who are
disconnected from us because of the f'ing huborg. I would LOVE to spend
the holidays with my daughter, but that's not to be. Don't expect a truce
or any other slack from me. jana
>
> ================================================
> Subject: Christmas Truce (Was Happy Holiday!!)
> From: sass...@aol.com (Sassie10)
> Date: 1996/12/20
> Message-ID: <19961220090...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
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Alan Barclay
In article <19971219195...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
NoGoot <nog...@aol.com> wrote:
>The practice of "disconnect"ing is *rarely*, *rarely* used
>anymore. These days would see more of a passive
>disconnect than an overt, vocal statement of
>disconnection. This passe policy was seen as a real
>PR destroyer, as was "Fair Game", sometime in the
I don't think that this makes an awful lot of difference. I find the
behaviour worrying regardless of if its an official written policy, an
unofficial unwritten policy, or even behaviour taken by an individual
on their own.
It's normal and natural to have friends & family with different beliefs
to yourself. It's part of the mechanism in which we can validate our
personal belief systems, gain experience in the world, and ultimatly
grow as a person. If you only surround yourself with people who think
the same way as you do, believe the same things you do, and do the
same things as you do, then I think you're going to be deprived of
a lot of life's wonder, and also you're going to be awfully prone to
the emperors new clothes syndrome.
NoGoot
In article <67f41c$s94$1...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>,
wbar...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (William Barwell) writes:
>In article <19971219195...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
NoGoot ><nog...@aol.com> wrote:
>>The practice of "disconnect"ing is *rarely*, *rarely* used anymore.
>>These days would see more of a passive disconnect than an overt,
>>vocal statement of disconnection. This passe policy was seen as
>>a real PR destroyer, as was "Fair Game", sometime in the late '70's,
>>IIRC. Both are still used, but are not openly stated as such when
>>they are.
>I noted when I went to the new Houston Scientology Bookstore a few
>months ago, that they had a prominently displayed pile of the book
>"Introduction to Scientology Ethics". It has a 4 page section devoted
>to disconnection. So yes, it is still policy, and that policy is in their
>basic 'ethics' book which is still sold. They may have to tread lightly
>for PR's sake, but they have not given this up by any means.
Yes, you're right: it still is policy. In actual practice (just for the
benefit of the "defenders of the indefensible" -- I want to make them see how
fair a.r.s really is), when a person is working with an ethics officer or a
chaplain, trying to handle a situation in which there is a PTS situation, a
"disconnect" is *only* used after repeated attempts to handle it by
communicating with the person about your beliefs, your religion, etc. I
believe it is used as an expedient when the ethics officer can't think of any
other way to get the person back into the course room or back into his auditing
program.
I still think it is completely wrong as a policy -- and unnecessary. People
disconnect from each other all the time. It doesn't take an act of congress or
a policy letter from Elron either.
>I do note that last year, when the 13 year old Sea Org slave "Tonya"
>engineered her escape from the Saint Hill Sea Org with the help of
>local police and Germany's Ursuala Camberta, Tonya's parents
>immediately disconnected from her.
They would certainly qualify as unmitigated assholes and totally deluded
Rondroids in my book.
NoGoot
NoGoot
In article <88258371...@elaine.drink.com>, gor...@elaine.drink.com (Alan
Barclay) writes:
>In article <19971219195...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>NoGoot><nog...@aol.com> wrote:
>>The practice of "disconnect"ing is *rarely*, *rarely* used
>>anymore. These days would see more of a passive disconnect
>>than an overt, vocal statement of disconnection. This passe policy was
>>seen as a real PR destroyer, as was "Fair Game", sometime in the
>I don't think that this makes an awful lot of difference. I find the
>behaviour worrying regardless of if its an official written policy, an
>unofficial unwritten policy, or even behaviour taken by an individual
>on their own.
You left off one line that I will repeat here: << Both are still used,
but are not openly stated as such [disconnect] when they are.>>
>It's normal and natural to have friends & family with different beliefs
>to yourself. It's part of the mechanism in which we can validate our
>personal belief systems, gain experience in the world, and ultimatly
>grow as a person. If you only surround yourself with people who think
>the same way as you do, believe the same things you do, and do the
>same things as you do, then I think you're going to be deprived of
>a lot of life's wonder, and also you're going to be awfully prone to
>the emperors new clothes syndrome.
I agree with you totally, and the "emperor's new clothes syndrome"
is a fitting analogy of what goes on within the Scientological
community. Scientologists have trouble with other people because
the people usually tell them they're crazy for being in Scientology,
or invalidate them in some other way -- which is frowned upon
within the Scientology setting.
I've added more details on a response to Pope Charles.
NoGoot
GrahamEB
>Could we have a Christmas Day truce on ars?
How can there be a Christmas truce with a cult whose founder,
L. Ron Hubbard, stated plainly, "There was no Christ"? Recall
the cult's upper level position on the OT VIII Confidential Student Briefing
wherein he said that Christ was a"pedophile and a lover of young boys...."
What kind of truce could you ever have with rhetoric like that?
----- Steve Fishman (from Graham Berry's computer)....
GrahamEB
>Could we have a Christmas Day truce on ars? Part of the
It have to be over my dead body with rigor-mortis having set in.Quitting while
on top, coitus interruptus, is not good strategy.
I for one will keep on doing whatever I am doing.
ML
Graham Berry
GrahamEB
After all, the Orgs don't close their doors on Christmas;
They don't stop disseminating and poisoning the minds of vulnerable people on
Christmas --- and certainly the courserooms aren't closed, because, after all,
the student points would suffer, and the birthday game would show crashed
stats.
If the cult could bleed the public into spending 24 hours a day there they
would do it. Wog holidays don't mean a damn thing to them.
And Christmas is a wog holiday, isn't it?
Hubbard didn't give a shit about it, did he?
I bet he never gave Mary Sue a Christmas present. Well, at least not since the
year she went to jail and up until he dropped dead, if indeed that was the way
he died (only Miscavige knows for sure, as well as the sorry ass souls he has
locked away in the RPF's).
----- Steve Fishman (again from Graham's computer in L.A.)
rgonnet
GrahamEB wrote:
> After all, the Orgs don't close their doors on Christmas;
> They don't stop disseminating and poisoning the minds of vulnerable people on
> Christmas --- and certainly the courserooms aren't closed, because, after all,
> the student points would suffer, and the birthday game would show crashed
> stats.
True! truce is no word in use by scienos. Christmas neither. Peace never. Happiness
and gifts still lesser. Love ? we know that does not exist (as Hubbard said, once
an impotent old boy, sex is restim from psychs).
What does remain then?
WAR.
HATE.
ATTACKS.
MONEY.
POWER.
and all this comes from the ill-minded old elwrong, the same one who said that the
uppermost motivation was DUTY, and the lowerest one was MONEY.
Crap.Schlack! Pfff... now the ballon is deflating. Pfff.
Roger
Martin Hunt
>Dear Sassie, Many of us on ARS have friends and family who are
>disconnected from us because of the f'ing huborg. I would LOVE to spend
>the holidays with my daughter, but that's not to be. Don't expect a truce
>or any other slack from me. jana
No true religion with a social conscience would split apart family
members from each other.
Scientology must stop the disgusting practice of disconnection
before I'll consider any kind of truce. How about it, Sassie?
Give all the staff members the day off to go visit their families,
and I'll truce with you for a day. Are you up for it? Or scared
that a large number of them just wouldn't return when Christmas
was over?
--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
"I don't 'think' anymore. I mean, it's actually an effort to go back
down into that level again." - Success story from "P.S.", an OT V.
David Gerard
On 19 Dec 1997 07:30:35 GMT, sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
:There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
:another truce for Christmas Day this year.
:Happy Holidays,
:Sassie
Now s the time to hit 'em HARD.
Christmas is downstat season. The tech of course does not allow for
seasonal dips in the statistics, so every frickin' year they hassle
the org staff over the drop in stats.
So get those Xenu leaflets out there and HAMMER THEM HARD!
Sassie10
On 19 Dec 1997 21:57:25 +1100, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (Frank Copeland) wrote:
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>Sassie10 <sass...@aol.com> wrote:
>>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
>
>Name one.
Here you go Frank. Sten-Arne says it very well.
Merry Christmas Sten-Arne and Frank,
Sassie
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From: The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com (Anti-Cult)
Message-ID: <34a24b33...@193.12.69.3>
I had a onesided truce last year, and this year I had planned the
same over Christmas. I replaced my anti-scn site last year with a
Christmas page, and that was my plan this year too. We may be on
different sides of the fence here amigo, but I do think that we at
least could agree to some peace over Christmas.
Dec 22-Jan 2, is my anti-scn site replaced with pure Christmas.
Sten-Arne
Martin Hunt
In article <19971220233...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
>From: The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com (Anti-Cult)
>
>Message-ID: <34a24b33...@193.12.69.3>
>
>I had a onesided truce last year, and this year I had planned the
>same over Christmas. I replaced my anti-scn site last year with a
>Christmas page, and that was my plan this year too. We may be on
>different sides of the fence here amigo, but I do think that we at
>least could agree to some peace over Christmas.
>
>Dec 22-Jan 2, is my anti-scn site replaced with pure Christmas.
>
>Sten-Arne
OK, Sassie; take the Scientology hate page down for a few
days, then!
You know the one. That hate-filled bigotry page about certain
posters here. Take it down and replace it with a Christmas
greeting message for a few days, then put it back up when the
holidays are over and go back to your usual, hateful, bigotted
shit.
--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
"I don't 'think' anymore. I mean, it's actually an effort to go back
down into that level again." - Success story from "P.S.", an OT V.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Frank Copeland
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Sassie10 <sass...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 19 Dec 1997 21:57:25 +1100, f...@thingy.apana.org.au (Frank Copeland) wrote:
>>Sassie10 <sass...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>There were many who observed this last year. I am proposing
>>>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
>>
>>Name one.
>
>Here you go Frank. Sten-Arne says it very well.
Now name one from your side.
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Rebecca Hartong
The way I figure it, the Christmas season is perhaps the LAST time of year
one should be making a special public effort to be nice to people whom one
doesn't usually like very well.
I figure that one of Christ's bigger messages was that people should be good
to one another *all year.*
There's a place in the Bible--usually read during Lent (sorry, don't
remember where in the Bible)--that says something to the effect of, 'When
you fast or give alms to the poor, don't do it out in public--like the
hypocrites do--where everyone will see how good you're being and will
comment upon it. Do it in private, where only God will know what you're up
to.' I think the same could be said about showing special kindness during
Christmas season.
William Barwell
Stephen Jones
>The way I figure it, the Christmas season is perhaps the LAST time of year
>one should be making a special public effort to be nice to people whom one
>doesn't usually like very well.
>I figure that one of Christ's bigger messages was that people should be
>good to one another *all year.*
Well, I hate to disagree with Christ but did he mention an acceptable time
to start being good to one another? Does it count if you start March 12
but not count if you begin on Dec 21st? Do you have to wait for an entire
year of goodness before you can respond in kind?
>There's a place in the Bible--usually read during Lent (sorry, don't
>remember where in the Bible)--that says something to the effect of, 'When
>you fast or give alms to the poor, don't do it out in public--like the
>hypocrites do--where everyone will see how good you're being and will
>comment upon it. Do it in private, where only God will know what you're
>up to.' I think the same could be said about showing special kindness
>during Christmas season.
So.... you'll be sending Russell your Secret Santa Holiday Loaf? Are
people trying to "be good" to Russell or are they just trying to celebrate?
If you believe giving someone a Christmas present is gonna get you into
Heaven, that is your business. If you are trying to impress G#d, that is
your business. I would just like it if critics would make the critical
latte with a little less airy froth during the holiday season. I didn't
give this much thought until I read the whacked "You can't celebrate
Christmas" kinda responses Russell was getting. C'mon..."Perhaps we should
picket on Christmas" (paraphrase)? Now the ARSCC is working Christmas as
well? That'll show-em. Picketing isn't horrible, but I wouldn't want to
do it on Christmas.
Stephen Jones
Rebecca Hartong
Stephen Jones wrote in message <67jupp$k...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>...
>Well, I hate to disagree with Christ but did he mention an acceptable time
>to start being good to one another? Does it count if you start March 12
>but not count if you begin on Dec 21st? Do you have to wait for an entire
>year of goodness before you can respond in kind?
I believe Groundhog Day is the preferred day for starting to be nice to
people.
>So.... you'll be sending Russell your Secret Santa Holiday Loaf?
I may not like Russell, but I have no desire to kill him! ;-)
>Are
>people trying to "be good" to Russell or are they just trying to celebrate?
I suppose it varies from person to person. Some may genuinely want to be
good to him. Some may just be willing to let a bit of "collateral cheer"
splash onto him.
>If you believe giving someone a Christmas present is gonna get you into
>Heaven, that is your business. If you are trying to impress G#d, that is
>your business. I would just like it if critics would make the critical
>latte with a little less airy froth during the holiday season.
Jones, you're nothing but a softy! I suspected as much. You lack the
killer instinct. (Good for you. And I really mean that.) Maybe I'm
especially cynical this week. I dunno... I just can't seem to get myself
geared up for being nice to someone about whom I haven't found anything
particularly likeable. It's not just because Russell is a Scientologist. I
feel the same way about Barwell, for example. Should I be nice to these
people just because it's the holiday season? Will it really make any
difference to them? Will it make any difference to *me?* I guess I'm
getting jaded.
>I didn't
>give this much thought until I read the whacked "You can't celebrate
>Christmas" kinda responses Russell was getting.
Because he's a Scientologist, right? Yeah.. that's pretty lame reasoning in
my book, too. I've lived next door to Jews who celebrated on Christmas. Go
figure.
>C'mon..."Perhaps we should
>picket on Christmas" (paraphrase)? Now the ARSCC is working Christmas as
>well? That'll show-em. Picketing isn't horrible, but I wouldn't want to
>do it on Christmas.
Neither would I, but why shouldn't those who are inclined to picket
Scientology on Christmas do so? I can see how a person might interpret
opposition to Scientology as a Christian kind of thing.
I think I understand the vision of Christmas as a time when a gentle silence
falls over the earth, all anger and hostility are forgotten, and the world
is bathed in the sweet glow of love and peace.
I'm just not sure how practical that vision is.
Monica Pignotti
Stephen Jones wrote:
>
> In article <67j8ob$7...@snews1.zippo.com>,
> "Rebecca Hartong" <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>The way I figure it, the Christmas season is perhaps the LAST
>>time of year one should be making a special public effort to
>>be nice to people whom one doesn't usually like very well.
>>I figure that one of Christ's bigger messages was that people should be
>>good to one another *all year.*
>
>an acceptable time to start being good to one another?
>Does it count if you start March 12
>but not count if you begin on Dec 21st? Do you have to wait
>for an entire year of goodness before you can respond in kind?
I think you missed Rebecca's point. The Scientologists' gratuitous
offering of a Christmas truce is very hypocritical, considering their
behavior during the rest of the year. This point is well taken. If you
think that their declaration of a truce means they're going to change
their behavior from now on, I wouldn't hold my breath based on their
behavior in the years past. When I was in Scientology on the Apollo
there was often a Christmas amnesty in December for anyone in ethics
trouble. In January it was all over and that was the notorious month
for "heavy ethics", which more than made up for any Christmas truce. It
was back to business as usual. I think we all know enough by now not to
be fooled by their phoney PR tactics. This is a pattern that has been
going on with them for a very long time and based on their behavior this
past year, I see no evidence that anything has changed.
Monica Pignotti
Zane
On 19 Dec 1997 07:30:35 GMT, sass...@aol.com (Sassie10) wrote:
>I am proposing
>another truce for Christmas Day this year.
A truce with the cult of liars and criminals which has recently
engaged in numerous personal attacks and pickets of private
residences? I think not.
$cientology is experiencing its karma (or "pulling it in" as I believe
is said in clamspeak). After decades of viscious attacks on isolated
critics around the world $cientology has met its match - the net has
connected and empowered the critical community with a resulting
synergy that is capable of, and is in fact, overwhelming $cientology's
resources.
It's much more difficult to maintain a lie than the truth Sassie. We
have the truth on our side, and there are lots of us. $cientology is
staggering, unable to shoulder the burden of multiple fronts. May
this XMas season bring you some presents Sassie - newer and more
powerful fronts opening in the battle to expose the lies and crimes of
scientology.
Truce? Why would anyone make a truce with a demon burning in its own
hell?
Zane