The post most critics ignore
croesus
- an organic chemical machine. Everything is brain; there is no
spirit or mind. Almost its entire range of therapies - probably 98% of
the solutions they recommend - from drugs to electroshock to lobotomies
- are based on this paradigm. They also believe that personality and
"I" are an illusion created by a certain arrangement of chemical
and electrical states. Since "person" is an illusion, there is no
one who is responsible for anything.
The Scientology paradigm is that man is a three composite being - a
spirit, with a mind (not the brain) and a body. The spirit is the
responsible part of the composite. It believes that 95% of man's
problems stem from the mind of the spirit and not from chemical
imbalances of the brain (there can be disease or injury to the brain or
genetic malfunctions). It believes that Scientology auditing can help a
spirit overcome its problems essentially by taking responsibility for
them.
All this would be OK if psychiatry's treatments were neutral
therapies but they are not. Prefrontal lobotomies, electroshock therapy
and drugs that alter brain chemistry (they say 'fix') - all
procedures based on their false paradigm - destroy the workings of the
correct paradigm of man (spirit, using its mind (not the brain),
animating and directing a body). Scientology believes that God or some
higher force designed the way spirits function through these bodies and
to tamper with that by altering the brain's chemistry (using drugs)
prevents the spirit from facing and solving its real problems.
The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm is dangerous, wrong and
threatening. Let me amplify:
The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm says that all thought and
personality is chemical in nature - dopamine, serotonin, etc is what
cause the body to feel and think in certain ways. That the sum total of
man can be reduced down to chemical formulas or chemical and electrical
patterns that the brain produces. That there is no person - that
personality is an illusion of the brain. That chemicals in the brain
come together in certain patterns that gives the brain the illusion
that it is a person.
This paradigm creates the height of irresponsibity. One, it says that
there is no real person there to be responsible for anything. Since no
on is there and everything is chemistry - it supplies brain drugs for
almost everything they diagnose to fix brain chemistry to correct the
wrong thoughts or wrong feeling it thinks this illusionary person
thinks it thinks or feels. Confused? Of course you are.
The Psychiatric paradigm is very dangerous if one believes that the
essence of man is a conscious spirit. Following this paradigm to its
conclusion, since no real person is really there, it is completely OK
to put electrodes in the brains of bodies to completely hardwire the
control of thoughts and feelings to fit the way they think this mass of
chemistry should act and think. Heavy research is being done on
achieving this goal right now.
Who else but Scientology is going to oppose this paradigm and its
growing destructive application? Islam? Christianity? ACLU? How about
politicians?
Wake up and face the future that psychiatry and neuroscience, with
their totally false paradigm, is leading us toward. Scientology's
paradigm is the most complete understanding of what man really is and
stands 100% opposed to the psychiatric paradigm and the terrible future
their paradigm is leading us toward.
For no other reason than this, Scientology should be supported 100% -
by everyone - at least on this issue. Even though I am not a
Scientologist I am 100% behind their paradigm and can see that their
mission is an important one. I'm also 100% behind their efforts to
educate the public about psychiatry.
I am 100% opposed to those critics of Scientology who ignore the
tremendous threat that the false psychiatric paradigm poses for the
world and attacks the only existing organization (Scientology) that has
an answer to it. It says a lot about their true intentions.
Zinj
@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
Bullshit.
The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
to try to understand how they exist.
Not 'make it up'
Not 'mock it up'
Not 'Dub it in'
Not 'say whatever is useful'
Not 'let's pretend that...'
Hogwash
Crap
Stupid
Irrelevant
Because, what you claim about psychiatry's 'operating theory' is
purely false.
Deliberately
You are a liar; not because you *choose* to be a liar, but
because you are the victim of a mind-controlling Cut that makes
all *reality* a lie.
Zinj
--
You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
jerald
I wouldn't ignore this post. So tell me, if doctors and meds are so
wrong what will scientology do to help those who have mental illness?
You have a chance to win me over here. Please don't waste it.
And what each of us belives is not the issure here. No matter what
scientology or psychiatry belives at this point in time psychiatry is
the only proven way to help these poor people.
Unless scientology has a better way and will open it to independent
study you won't get very far here or in the world with you views.
jerald
Povmec
croesus wrote:
<snip>
> I am 100% opposed to those critics of Scientology who ignore the
> tremendous threat that the false psychiatric paradigm poses for the
> world and attacks the only existing organization (Scientology) that has
> an answer to it. It says a lot about their true intentions.
Croesus,
I recall Michael L. Tilse recounting one of his attendance to an IAS
event, where he saw a presentation by high ranking officials from the
Church of Scientology, about how psychiatrists are "evil", and must be
destroyed, with images of these human beings (who happened to have
chosen psychiatry as a profession) being hung, being "throw in the
toilet with excrements", etc.
Did you attend this event? If yes, did you applaud enthusiastically
like most others?
Here is the original post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/47bf851842856fbc
Ray.
croesus
> In article <1154822171.249518.137100
> @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> > Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
>
> Bullshit.
>
> The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
> to try to understand how they exist.
>
Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
Desertphile
Because it is off-topic.
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Zinj
75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> Zinj wrote:
> > In article <1154822171.249518.137100
> > @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> > > Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
> > to try to understand how they exist.
> >
>
> Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
> whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
> exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
> particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
> somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
> Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
Please present a credible bit of evidence that matches above.
If it's that much a core of the 'psych' paradigm, it should be
easy to find and document.
In fact, it sounds a lot more like L. Ron Hubbard's reality,
albeit, the 'real you' is intended to be 'Ron', not a Zen
'Nothingness'.
But, where in the operating manual of the 'Psych Conspiracy' is
this presented?
Lex...@gmail.com
says the same things you are saying...from a non Scientology site?
Isn't that what most people do when posting some type of idea on a news
group? Link to a site or an article backing up what they have to say?
Until then, I can't really put much thought to what you have to say.
I read a lot and have never read about what you are saying unless it
has something to do with Scientology. What books are you getting this
from?
Talk about a conspiracy theory! This is someone who has obviously never
stepped foot or has even talked to anyone who has ever been through
therapy. No wonder so many people ignore this type of post lol.
croesus
> In article <1154823979.666145.159190@
> 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> > Zinj wrote:
> > > In article <1154822171.249518.137100
> > > @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> > > > Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> > >
> > > Bullshit.
> > >
> > > The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
> > > to try to understand how they exist.
> > >
> >
> > Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
> > whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
> > exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
> > particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
> > somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
> > Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
>
> Please present a credible bit of evidence that matches above.
> If it's that much a core of the 'psych' paradigm, it should be
> easy to find and document.
I will, but before I waste my time on you, proving what is so obvious,
you do something for me first.
Every science has an accepted paradigm. In physics its the "standard
model." What is the pyschiatric/neuroscience paradigm if it isn't what
I describe? If you think I'm wrong you tell me what the standard,
accepted paradigm for man is. Make sure you show how their treatments
align with this paradigm to make sure they aren't saying one thng and
actually doing another? Note: ninety eight percent of their treatments
now prescibe brain drugs for every menatl problem. What does this tell
you about their paradigm?
If they have no pardigm - no accepted understanding of what makes up
the mind of man - what are they doing prescribing brain drugs for every
mental problem they encounter?
Zinj
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> I will, but before I waste my time on you, proving what is so obvious,
> you do something for me first.
>
> Every science has an accepted paradigm.
Not that I know of. In some 2 decades of academic involvement
in the 'sciences' and more than 50 years of interest and
application of them, I have *yet* to hear of an 'accepted
paradigm' (something equivalent to Hubbard's silly 'Axioms')
that was the basis.
If anything, I would grant you that Descarte's 'Cogito Ergo
Sum' serves as an 'accepted paradigm', but, also that, when
'science' is done *wrong* as in Feynman's 'Cargo Cult Science'
it's quite possible that 'agreement' (the height of Hubbardian
science) may play a role.
Science is science in inverse proportion to its reliance on an
'accepted paradigm'.
> In physics its the "standard
> model."
Huh? Please document this. As far as I know, physics is based
on 'if I project that my applying a force to X in a vector VX it
will arrive at point N with enough energy to break the (integral
calculus derived strength) nosebone of whatever asshole chose to
put his nose on the line to disprove science.
> What is the pyschiatric/neuroscience paradigm if it isn't what
> I describe?
Contrary to your 'belief system', science doesn't require much
in the way of 'axioms' or 'accepted paradigms'.
If you accept cogito ergo sum, the rest pretty much follows; or,
can be 'tested'.
> If you think I'm wrong you tell me what the standard,
> accepted paradigm for man is.
I don't know that there is one. Or, that one is needed. Occam's
razor tends to say that it's superfluous.
> Make sure you show how their treatments
> align with this paradigm to make sure they aren't saying one thng and
> actually doing another? Note: ninety eight percent of their treatments
> now prescibe brain drugs for every menatl problem. What does this tell
> you about their paradigm?
>
> If they have no pardigm - no accepted understanding of what makes up
> the mind of man - what are they doing prescribing brain drugs for every
> mental problem they encounter?
If I don't believe in sasquatch, why am I making a playhouse for
my cats?
I dunno.
Weird dood
Weird, but not weird enough to be interesting...
Quaoar
Except for the small, imperceptible, fragment of humanity composed of
the kult of $cientology, no one on the planet (which remains uncleared)
believes anything of your thesis of the practice of psychiatry (which
remains a viable, growing, medical practice). So many failures
attributable to your kult!
Q
Will Pitt
realpch
>
> Zinj wrote:
> > In article <1154822171.249518.137100
> > @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> > > Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
> > to try to understand how they exist.
> >
>
> Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
> whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
> exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
> particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
> somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
> Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
<snip>
Really! Who do they think is paying their bills?
I mostly ignore or skip over your presentations and arguments, because
I've finally arrived at a state where I don't particularly care about
speculations about the nature or lack thereof of a "soul". I do however
enjoy Keith Hensons musings.
Peach
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roger gonnet
"croesus" <croes...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1154822171.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> - an organic chemical machine.
stupid and really very wrong. You should take few sessions at a psychiatrist to
see what happens.
r
Michael Reuss
> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> - an organic chemical machine. Everything is brain; there is no
> spirit or mind. Almost its entire range of therapies - probably 98% of
> the solutions they recommend - from drugs to electroshock to lobotomies
> - are based on this paradigm.
No, psychiatry is based on science, which holds that the ONLY way to
KNOW things is to test and falsify, and retest and verify and observe.
In this way, mistaken and incomplete theories are replaced with correct
or improved, or more complete theories.
Scientology, on the other hand, defines itself as true, a priori, then
rants and raves about everything not in agreement with it.
Psychiatry isn't perfect. Because it is a human enterprise, it never
will be perfect. But because it self-corrects (eventually), it is a vast
improvement over bull crap quackery like Scientology.
> They also believe that personality and
> "I" are an illusion
No, you are confused. The state of consciousness and self-awareness is
not described as an "illusion" in any of the psychological texts, as far
as I am aware. And I have read some. I suspect you have not.
> created by a certain arrangement of chemical
> and electrical states.
There is clear and overwhelming evidence that "we" (including all our
advanced abstract thoughts, our subconscious evaluations, as well as our
emotions) are indeed based in the complex system that is our brain and
body. That is the working theory, right now. The evidence all supports
this theory. And that is why drugs can actually affect your state of
mind.
If you have a better theory, if it can be objectively tested, you should
bring it to a peer-review psychology publication.
But you don't. You won't. You can't. Because you ain't got shit! All you
have is "L. Ron Hubbard is right because he said so." If you brought
Scientology "axioms" to such a psychological journal, they laugh your
article right out the friggin' door.
Face it, meat boy, until one of you OwE teEs lifts the god dammed
ashtray with your mental powers, science will continue to dismiss you as
irrelevant whining nutballs.
> Since "person" is an illusion, there is no
> one who is responsible for anything.
Psychology has a lot to say on the subject of responsibility. You just
don't know any of this, because you are getting a slanted, brain-washing
style education on the subject from a cult who's interest is served by
defining enemies, and by creating an Us-vs-Them dichotomy that binds you
(and your wallet) more strongly to your group.
> The Scientology paradigm is that man is a three composite being - a
> spirit, with a mind (not the brain) and a body.
There is no evidence for a "spirit." Ergo, to science, you are just
making that up. And without a "spirit" as an objectively demonstrable
object, there is no vehicle except the body to produce the phenomenon of
"mind."
All the evidence points to the fact that the body and brain does a fine
job of giving most of us functioning "minds." But when the meat brain is
injured (and again, there is a lot of literature on this, should you
ever bother to pull your head out of L. Ron Hubbard's dead ass, and read
some of it), the mind can be fundamentally altered, and in observable
and understandable ways. The meat brain can be injured and the mind will
not be the same. The meat brain can have a disease like Alzheimer's, and
the conscious thoughts and feelings of the victim will be altered. And
psychology requires no outside invisible, magical agency to explain
this.
Croesus, this is all in the psychology books and neurology training. You
could even read some of this. For free! On the internet. Please do.
And there is always the disclaimer. The field of psychology is new, and
it isn't complete or perfect, and this imperfection hidden or covered
up. Advances come when new students, doctors, researchers add to the
body of knowledge, or correct a past mistake.
> The spirit is the
> responsible part of the composite. It believes that 95% of man's
> problems stem from the mind of the spirit and not from chemical
> imbalances of the brain (there can be disease or injury to the brain or
> genetic malfunctions).
You're stating a personal belief (which is based on brainwashing) as a
factual truth. There is no fundamental evidence that points to the
existence of a spirit being.
In fact, only Scientologists who've been brainwashed for years have
their meat brains reformed and altered to believes this.
Non-scientologists, for the most part, don't believe your theory.
Of course, Christians also believe they have some sort of soul or
spirit. And even more like Scientology, in the past, the pious and
powerful Christians LOVED to kill and maim people to help these souls go
to heaven, 100% certain that burning a person alive would purify the
soul. And then the political realm impinged on them, and they had to
tone down their dogma.
Now here you come, as Scientologists, trying to stir up that pot, again,
with your constant focus on defining enemies, finding the PTS person,
eliminating the suppressive. But it does not amaze or surprise me to see
how marginal is the historical perspective of fanatical religious cults.
If you had such perspective, you wouldn't be fanatical enough to
recruit, as you do. So tuning out any grasp of the similarities to your
witch-burning predecessors is understandable, if also unforgivably
unethical.
> It believes that Scientology auditing can help a
> spirit overcome its problems essentially by taking responsibility for
> them.
And Scientologists dying and not "coming" back in a clear and
unambiguous way, prove over and over that this theory is a crock of
shit. All the alleged benefits are grandiose super-human, perfect
health, etc. at first, when a Scientologist is being recruited. But
then, later on, these benefits slowly degrade into self-congratulating
placebo pablum after the Scientologist is hooked. And then, when we look
at evidence, dead Scientologists appear to be as equally dead as dead
non-Scientologists.
Scientology, in it's psychological effects, more closely represents a
harmful mental addiction than it does a panacea for practical human
problems and immortal spirit life.
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
Barbara Schwarz
"croesus" <croes...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154822171.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> - an organic chemical machine. Everything is brain; there is no
> spirit or mind. Almost its entire range of therapies - probably 98% of
> the solutions they recommend - from drugs to electroshock to lobotomies
> - are based on this paradigm. They also believe that personality and
> "I" are an illusion created by a certain arrangement of chemical
> and electrical states. Since "person" is an illusion, there is no
> one who is responsible for anything.
The person is an illusion, huh? But if you would tell a p$ych that he is an
illusion, he would say you are mentally ill. If you say, you, yourself are
an illusion, they say that you are not mentally ill.
>
> The Scientology paradigm is that man is a three composite being - a
> spirit, with a mind (not the brain) and a body. The spirit is the
> responsible part of the composite. It believes that 95% of man's
> problems stem from the mind of the spirit and not from chemical
> imbalances of the brain (there can be disease or injury to the brain or
> genetic malfunctions). It believes that Scientology auditing can help a
> spirit overcome its problems essentially by taking responsibility for
> them.
That is too sane for the "critics". The fanaticals can't confront that.
>
> All this would be OK if psychiatry's treatments were neutral
> therapies but they are not. Prefrontal lobotomies, electroshock therapy
> and drugs that alter brain chemistry (they say 'fix') - all
> procedures based on their false paradigm - destroy the workings of the
> correct paradigm of man (spirit, using its mind (not the brain),
> animating and directing a body). Scientology believes that God or some
> higher force designed the way spirits function through these bodies and
> to tamper with that by altering the brain's chemistry (using drugs)
> prevents the spirit from facing and solving its real problems.
The "critics" will attack the truth. Many of them take street or p$ych drugs
or drink. And they are p$ych trolls, who do what their psychiatric case
officer orders them to do, no question asked.
> Psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm is dangerous, wrong and
> threatening. Let me amplify:
>
> The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm says that all thought and
> personality is chemical in nature - dopamine, serotonin, etc is what
> cause the body to feel and think in certain ways. That the sum total of
> man can be reduced down to chemical formulas or chemical and electrical
> patterns that the brain produces. That there is no person - that
> personality is an illusion of the brain. That chemicals in the brain
> come together in certain patterns that gives the brain the illusion
> that it is a person.
They are so stupid!
>
> This paradigm creates the height of irresponsibity. One, it says that
> there is no real person there to be responsible for anything. Since no
> on is there and everything is chemistry - it supplies brain drugs for
> almost everything they diagnose to fix brain chemistry to correct the
> wrong thoughts or wrong feeling it thinks this illusionary person
> thinks it thinks or feels. Confused? Of course you are.
>
> The Psychiatric paradigm is very dangerous if one believes that the
> essence of man is a conscious spirit. Following this paradigm to its
> conclusion, since no real person is really there, it is completely OK
> to put electrodes in the brains of bodies to completely hardwire the
> control of thoughts and feelings to fit the way they think this mass of
> chemistry should act and think. Heavy research is being done on
> achieving this goal right now.
Yes, psychs are absolutely uneducated.
>
> Who else but Scientology is going to oppose this paradigm and its
> growing destructive application? Islam? Christianity? ACLU? How about
> politicians?
>
> Wake up and face the future that psychiatry and neuroscience, with
> their totally false paradigm, is leading us toward. Scientology's
> paradigm is the most complete understanding of what man really is and
> stands 100% opposed to the psychiatric paradigm and the terrible future
> their paradigm is leading us toward.
Very true.
>
> For no other reason than this, Scientology should be supported 100% -
> by everyone - at least on this issue. Even though I am not a
> Scientologist I am 100% behind their paradigm and can see that their
> mission is an important one. I'm also 100% behind their efforts to
> educate the public about psychiatry.
>
> I am 100% opposed to those critics of Scientology who ignore the
> tremendous threat that the false psychiatric paradigm poses for the
> world and attacks the only existing organization (Scientology) that has
> an answer to it. It says a lot about their true intentions.
You are not a Scientologist? You could have fooled me. But if you say so.
Barbara Schwarz
>
Barbara Schwarz
"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f3f2ea61...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
Joe Lynn is a very confused man. He thinks he is a bundle full of nerves
that are are brought to life by... by.... and here stops his thinking.
--
Barbara Schwarz (Looking for the original Mark [Marty] Rathbun. No
impostor, please!)
http://www.thunderstar.net/~schwarz/lrh/fbidocs.html
--
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities.)
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
Read the pages on terrorist-friendly Andreas Heldal-Lund (arrested for
harassment):
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund04.html
Wikipedia defamation scribbler and pro eugenics Tilman Joerg Hausherr,
linked to the fanatical German secret service OPC, wants to hurt American
tourism.
http://www.parishioners.org/extremists/hauser1.html
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/8962a9830812112f?hl=en&
Barbara Schwarz
"Will Pitt" <Will...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Test
>
Can't you make your test on alt.test?
Anyway, what do critics believe that they are? If they don't believe Croesus
exellent explanation, what do they believe?
Barbara Schwarz
Zinj
Barbara...@gmail.com says...
>
> "Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f3f2ea61...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
> > In article <1154834675.110237.51520
> > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >
>
> Joe Lynn is a very confused man. He thinks he is a bundle full of nerves
> that are are brought to life by... by.... and here stops his thinking.
No silly. The essence of zinjifarianism is the realization that
I am *not* Joe Lynn, or Zinjifar or any of those kinds of
things, but that I just *think* I am.
Once I'm not interested in getting Joe Lynn/Zinjifar to make
ashtrays fly or ATMs to pour out unlimited OT funds I get to
ask'my'self who this 'I' is.
But... that's another story.
Suffice to say he's not wearing superman long johns or
pretending to be L. Ron Hubbard's child.
Not really something you would be looking for, spiritually, I
mean.
By the way... spiritually speaking.. why would it matter if L.
Ron Hubbard was your father?
I thought that kind of 'bio'/meat body stuff was completely
irrelevant...
Tilman Hausherr
>Subject: The post most critics ignore
re-*plonk*
--
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Lisa Ruby
Psychiatry views people as animals but Scientology often treats their
members no better than work horses. It takes more than Scientology or
Psychiatry to get through life on this earth and attain everlasting
life. I follow someone whose yoke is easy and whose burden is light:
the Lord Jesus Christ, who "...became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him." Hebrews 5:9
http://libertytothecaptives.net/how_to_get_to_heaven.html
Hartley Patterson
> I am 100% opposed to those critics of Scientology who ignore the
> tremendous threat that the false psychiatric paradigm poses for the
> world and attacks the only existing organization (Scientology) that has
> an answer to it. It says a lot about their true intentions.
I am opposed to those who ignore the crimes of the Scientology cult and
support it because they agree with its views on illness. It says nothing
about their true intentions since they don't have any.
The Church of Scientology is a small, nasty, unethical, totalitarian
cult. Genuine anti-psychiatry groups, once they discover this, avoid it
as associating with Scientology is damaging to their cause - people
don't respect Scientology, they laugh at it. Scientology is not going to
'destroy psychiatry', not by the year 2000, not ever.
Scientology has no alternative to medicine. Not psychiatry, medicine,
since the cult believes most medical conditions are not physical but
caused by invisible spirits and bad memories.
"Psychosomatic illnesses such as arthritis, asthma, rheumatism, heart
trouble, and on and on for a total of 70 percent of man=3Fs ills=3Fand
women=3Fs too=3Fare the reaction of the body against a painful mental image
picture."
This is not just wrong, it is dangerously wrong. It is based not on any
scientific theory or evidence but on the writings of L Ron Hubbard.
--
"I just might be the angel at your door"
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.
realpch
I said I wasn't interested in talking about this stuff anymore, but I
can't resist one comment. Croesus clearly has never had one of his
family members survive a stroke, with attendent brain changes!
Peaches
barbz
> Zinj wrote:
>> In article <1154822171.249518.137100
>> @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, croes...@yahoo.com says...
>>> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
>> Bullshit.
>>
>> The operating theory is that people exist and that it's possible
>> to try to understand how they exist.
>>
>
> Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
> whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
> exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
> particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
> somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
> Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
You are 100% sadly undereducated and ignorant. If I were you, I'd sort
of keep that quiet, instead of waving it, bannerlike, over the internet.
There are too many flaws in your thinking (if indeed it is you, and not
the cult programming doing the talking) to even begin to unravel.
>
>> Not 'make it up'
>> Not 'mock it up'
>> Not 'Dub it in'
>> Not 'say whatever is useful'
>> Not 'let's pretend that...'
>>
>> Hogwash
>> Crap
>> Stupid
>> Irrelevant
>>
>> Because, what you claim about psychiatry's 'operating theory' is
>> purely false.
>>
>> Deliberately
>>
>> You are a liar; not because you *choose* to be a liar, but
>> because you are the victim of a mind-controlling Cut that makes
>> all *reality* a lie.
>>
>> Zinj
>> --
>> You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
>
--
"I'm for the separation of church and hate."
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
xenu...@netscape.net
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
> organic chemical machine.
According to the Scientology cult. Remember that wacky infomercial with the
stereotypic mad doctor screaming the above into the camera?
> Everything is brain; there is no spirit or mind.
According to the Scientology cult, which only uses the words "spirit" and
"mind" with the intention of creating the illusion of "knowingness", in
order to fool people into giving it more money and time, and wasting life as
well.
> Almost its entire range of therapies - probably 98% of the solutions they
> recommend - from drugs to electroshock to lobotomies are based on this
> paradigm.
According to the Scientology cult, which so bans therapy that it could not
possibly know anything about it. When was the last time any Scientologist
had ever undergone legitimate psychiatric therapy? To do so makes one
entheta to the entire cult - which indicates the fragility of the entire
process.
> They also believe that personality and "I" are an illusion created by a
> certain arrangement of chemical and electrical states. Since "person" is
> an illusion, there is no one who is responsible for anything.
According to the Scientology cult, but you're lapsing into Hubbard-brand
Poor Projection techniques. It is L. Ron Hubbard who said that it was okay
to "harm others in a just cause."
> The Scientology paradigm is that man is a three composite being - a
> spirit, with a mind (not the brain) and a body. The spirit is the
> responsible part of the composite.
But without responsibility for the person's own actions, so long as one is
attacking someone or something that L. Ron Hubbard labeled an "enemy of
Scientology", which Hubbard said could be lied, tricked or swindled in the
name of Scientology.
> It believes that 95% of man's problems stem from the mind of the spirit
> and not from chemical imbalances of the brain (there can be disease or
> injury to the brain or genetic malfunctions). It believes that Scientology
> auditing can help a spirit overcome its problems essentially by taking
> responsibility for them.
Like cancer, tuberculosis, pneumonia, which Scientology claims it can "cure"
by holding the cans and giving your life savings to the cult.
> All this would be OK if psychiatry's treatments were neutral
> therapies but they are not. Prefrontal lobotomies, electroshock therapy
> and drugs that alter brain chemistry (they say 'fix') - all
> procedures based on their false paradigm - destroy the workings of the
> correct paradigm of man (spirit, using its mind (not the brain),
> animating and directing a body). Scientology believes that God or some
> higher force designed the way spirits function through these bodies and
> to tamper with that by altering the brain's chemistry (using drugs)
> prevents the spirit from facing and solving its real problems.
Scientology is anti-God, in that the individual *becomes* God, so long as
one gives their life savings to the cult, and encourages others to do so as
well. If Scientology has a God it is MONEY.
> The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm is dangerous, wrong and
> threatening. Let me amplify:
But not explain or examine. Scientologists believe that shouting at people
is more effective than anything else beyond the usual murder or persecution.
> The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm says that all thought and
> personality is chemical in nature - dopamine, serotonin, etc is what
> cause the body to feel and think in certain ways. That the sum total of
> man can be reduced down to chemical formulas or chemical and electrical
> patterns that the brain produces. That there is no person - that
> personality is an illusion of the brain. That chemicals in the brain
> come together in certain patterns that gives the brain the illusion
> that it is a person.
Or a "thetan", right? More pseudo rubbish from the Scientology cult, only
"believed" for as long as the cult member keeps handlers off their backs.
> This paradigm creates the height of irresponsibity. One, it says that
> there is no real person there to be responsible for anything. Since no
> on is there and everything is chemistry - it supplies brain drugs for
> almost everything they diagnose to fix brain chemistry to correct the
> wrong thoughts or wrong feeling it thinks this illusionary person
> thinks it thinks or feels. Confused? Of course you are.
>
> The Psychiatric paradigm is very dangerous if one believes that the
> essence of man is a conscious spirit. Following this paradigm to its
> conclusion, since no real person is really there, it is completely OK
> to put electrodes in the brains of bodies to completely hardwire the
> control of thoughts and feelings to fit the way they think this mass of
> chemistry should act and think. Heavy research is being done on
> achieving this goal right now.
And Scientology needs MORE MONEY TO DO MORE "RESEARCH"! Why else isn't the
Sooper Power Building finished? It must be those evil psychs!
> Who else but Scientology is going to oppose this paradigm and its
> growing destructive application? Islam? Christianity? ACLU? How about
> politicians?
Poor projection-mirroring. All of the above can't be found around disaster
areas trying to scam people with "touch assists" and other pseudo rubbish.
Scientology on the other hand CAN and WILL be found trying to scam people
whereever it goes.
> Wake up and face the future that psychiatry and neuroscience, with
> their totally false paradigm, is leading us toward. Scientology's
> paradigm is the most complete understanding of what man really is and
> stands 100% opposed to the psychiatric paradigm and the terrible future
> their paradigm is leading us toward.
Scientology must be in deep kimshi and dwindling even faster than I thought
for a drone to be pasting such drivel.
> For no other reason than this, Scientology should be supported 100% -
> by everyone - at least on this issue. Even though I am not a
> Scientologist I am 100% behind their paradigm and can see that their
> mission is an important one. I'm also 100% behind their efforts to
> educate the public about psychiatry.
Besides being a Scientologist you are also a liar here. But then this is a
redundancy known by millions of people worldwide. Scientologists lie by
default, whether it's to the public or when undergoing "auditing", or most
especially when making up "Big Wins" for the coming Thursday 2pm reports.
> I am 100% opposed to those critics of Scientology who ignore the
> tremendous threat that the false psychiatric paradigm poses for the
> world and attacks the only existing organization (Scientology) that has
> an answer to it. It says a lot about their true intentions.
A Scientologist is free to decide that a critic of their mind-control
ufo-nut-cult is a "criminal", but only when told to do so. Telling. But
not surprising.
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"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations"
barbz
You take an incredibly complex subject and attempt to boil it down to
its most simple elements. It cannot be done. For you to state in all
certainty (100% correct, right) that psychiatry's entire view of reality
is broken down into individual molecules and atoms is fatuous.
I don't know why it is, but Rondroids everywhere have the ability to
delude themselves into thinking this sort of half-assed assessment will
actually impress someone as being "intellectual."
In fact, this argument is silly, as physics also suggests we are nothing
more than animated piles of self-aware molecules. Your "pardign" example
for "the psychs" is actually more appropriate to physics. I would
suggest that the majority of mental health professionals polled would
agree that people are certainly more than animated space dust.
Oh, and you don't offer any documentation to back up your "100% correct"
assertions.
Always an indication of Rondroid presence.
>
>> In fact, it sounds a lot more like L. Ron Hubbard's reality,
>> albeit, the 'real you' is intended to be 'Ron', not a Zen
>> 'Nothingness'.
>>
>> But, where in the operating manual of the 'Psych Conspiracy' is
>> this presented?
>>
>>
>> Zinj
>> --
>> You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
>
barbz
Psshhh! Clam pretending to have an intellectual conversation.
barbz
Your talking molecules made you say that.
Playfullminx
This post certianly got ignored!!
Scientolgy (and the spam artists) are so laughable. Get some good info
for a change. You are doing nothing but showing your stupidity!!
Methinks the only reason someone would ignore any of your posts is
because they really don't say anything except for stupid stuff!
Idiots!
Mike O'Connor
"croesus" <croes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Psychiatry's operating theory or paradigm is that man is 100% animal
> - an organic chemical machine. Everything is brain; there is no
> spirit or mind.
Imagine what would happen if this axiom that was pounded into you
endlessly is... wrong!
Imagine! The whole house of cards falls! That axion better not be wrong!
It better not be, or... disaster!
What if that axiom is wrong, croesus321?
Why would they do that? Why would they base everything on a lie? They
wouldn't! They couldn't! Would they? Did they?
Why? Why would they???
THINK.
--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Remember Lisa McPherson
Hephaestus
croesus wrote:
>
> Wrong. Their operating paradigm is that "I" , self consciouness -
> whatever you want to call yourself - is an illusion and doesn't really
> exist as a composite entity. What you call consciouness is simply a
> particular arrangement of millions of inert, lifeless electrons that
> somehow fools itself into thinking it is someone. I am 100% correct.
> Psychiatry ultimately says you do not exist. This is proven fact.
>
Just like your former leader, I know whenever you use the word fact,
you just lied.
Hubbard frequently would tell people either right before or right after
he said something rediculous, that, "this is a fact".
Which is a great mistake when debating, never say that. It doesn't
prove anything, it just reiterates what you just said in the former
sentence. It's pointless, and annoying. Because it brings up the
question, why would you think saying that would prove anything? Or are
you merely in Hubbards valence?
Now to your points, can you scientifically prove any of them? Have
credible scientific institutions proved them? You, nor are any
scientologist, cannot just say you have proven it on your own. It has
to be proven by a neutral party.
Stop saying things like, "this is a fact", and I won't hold you up to
scientific standards.
l.l.lipshitz
<1154822171.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
[...]
| The psychiatric/neuroscience paradigm says that all thought and
| personality is chemical in nature - dopamine, serotonin, etc is what
| cause the body to feel and think in certain ways. That the sum total of
| man can be reduced down to chemical formulas or chemical and electrical
| patterns that the brain produces. That there is no person - that
| personality is an illusion of the brain. That chemicals in the brain
| come together in certain patterns that gives the brain the illusion
| that it is a person.
|
| This paradigm creates the height of irresponsibity. One, it says that
| there is no real person there to be responsible for anything.
please correct me if i'm misunderstanding: in the
scientological paradigm--which you wholeheartedly
support--'man' is a person because 'he' is a spirit,
unlike psychiatry's man-is-an-animal theory.
therefore, the scientological paradigm must create
the height of responsibility because there is a real
person (spirit) there to be responsible.
if this is so, can you please explain how a spirit
is punished if 'he' commits a crime? 'he' is the
responsible one, afterall, is 'he' not? putting
an individual in jail punishes the body, which is
not the person. so how does one punish a spirit?
[...]
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
time flies like an arrow. fruit flies like a banana. -gm
Sten-Arne Zerpe
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <MPG.1f3f2ea61...@news.day.sbcglobal.net>
And the Organization Header: BadCo.
The famous author: Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: The post most critics ignore:
Strange eh, Zinji. Croesus never got back to you with the proof of his
insane Hubbardian theories of the psychs :-)
SAZ
Desertphile
> Psychiatry views people as animals
Psychiatry does not view people at all you fucking lunatic. One can say
psychiatrists view people; one cannot say psycvhiatry does.
And people *ARE* animals, you dizzy cunt.