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Tilman Hausherr

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Answers for scientology kids

Someone said that a scientologist had told him that their children are
disturbed because of what they have read on the internet, and started to
ask embarassing questions. So here is an attempt to explain scientology
with simple words.

(HTML of this in big, friendly letters:
http://home.sol.no/heldal/CoS/archive/answer_for_kids.html )


1. I hear the word "cult" all the time. What is a cult?
2. Do people hate scientology?
3. My parents almost never have time for me. Why?
4. I want to get help. What should I do?
5. But scientology is the most ethical group on the planet!
6. How are other schools different from scientology schools?
7. How is life outside of scientology?
8. Are psychs evil?
9. But it WORKS !
10. Do other children have to work?
11. A scientologist touches me in a way I don't like. What can I do?
12. Has anyone ever died because of scientology?
13. Can I trust my fellow scientologists?
14. Will scientology use my personal folders against me?
15. I was born and educated in scientology. What will happen?
16. Is there anything that I am not told by scientology?


1. I hear the word "cult" all the time. What is a cult?

Here is a simple test to tell if a group is a cult or not. Ask yourself
these questions about the group:

1. Does the group use tricks, lies or excuses to get members and
to keep them?
2. Does the group say that it is "better than all other groups", and
is it organised so that people can't complain, discuss, vote,
criticize, or change the group?
3. Does the group claim that the founder knows all the answers, and
tolerates no discussion or questioning of his or her teachings?
4. Does the group say that nothing is more important than to get more
money, people or anything else into the group, and that this is
more important than honesty or friendship or families, maybe because
it is such an emergency that the world must be saved right away?
5. Is the money collected used only a few "special people instead of
for the members or the general population?

If you answered "yes" to all these questions, then the group is
definitely a cult.

People who study groups have looked at scientology and answered "yes"
everytime. See why:

1. it pretends to be a self-help group, and doesn't tell the actual
price of the services; the "personality test" is a trick because
the result is always that you need help - and of course,
"scientology can help you". An honest group would tell you this
*before* the test;
2. scientologists say they are superior to the rest of the world,
and calls the rest "raw meat" or "wogs" instead
of simply "non-scientologists";
3. everything must be done exactly as LRH said/wrote. Discussion is
"verbal tech" and gets you sent to "ethics", which means
you are in trouble;
4. to get money, power or revenge scientology creates fake
organisations (called "front groups" by critics) that lie about
what they really want and do; and LRH said that "suppressive
persons" can be "tricked, lied to and destroyed";
5. the money that scientology gets is used to attack enemies, through
lawsuits, dirty tricks or lies. The staff members live in
terrible conditions.

As you see, that makes scientology a "cult".


2. Do people hate scientology?

Most people in the world have never heard of scientology. Most people
who have heard of it don't hate anything or anyone. And some of the
people who are angry about things scientology has done were in
scientology themselves, and are angry at themselves for helping
to hurt people when they were in scientology. Some people have had their
lives destroyed by scientology and have never recovered. Some have
recovered, but have lost their families. Many are still suffering. These
people don't like scientology, as you might guess. Generally the
feelings of ordinary people who have heard of scientology is that:

- "they are weird but funny"
or
- "they are scaring me"
or
- "they are the meanest, greediest lying cheating cult in the country"

These feelings are a direct result of scientologists following L. Ron
Hubbard's advice about what are good skills to "handle" a
non-scientologist. Sooner or later, most people will notice when
they are being or have been "handled". That is why most people are not
scientologists. Guess what: people do *not* like to be "handled" (do
you?). Everyone is a free person, just like you.


3. My parents almost never have time for me. Why?

(If you feel your parents have enough time for you, and do not place
scientology before you, you can skip this section. It applies more to
children of staff members)

Your parents may be fooling themselves about what is important. Many
scientologists believe that unless they devote their time to scientology
they will lose all their friends or get sick. Maybe your parents have
even been *forbidden* by scientology to care about you because they are
not "upstat" (= having worked very hard). Scientology does not have a
concept that children are special in the way that they need love and
care. They are just "thetans in small bodies" that have to be turned
into small scientologists.


4. I want to get help. What should I do?

If you know people in your family that are not in scientology (aunt,
uncle, grand-parents, or possibly your mom/dad's ex), try to contact
them. They will understand you - they probably know about the mess
you're in.

If your whole family is in scientology, many other people outside
scientology can help you. You should look for an adult you feel good
about, who you can talk to easily.

If your school is not part of Scientology, that would be a good place to
start. Your teacher, your school's principal or nurse or psychologist
-- you can turn to any of them for help.

Others:
- a minister in a church (a non-scientology church of course!)
- a social worker
- the children advocacy center (call 800-4ACHILD or 800-422-4453)
- the health department ("HRS" in Florida)
- American Family Foundation (AFF)
P.O. Box 2265
Bonita Springs, FL 33959
(212) 533-5420
(212) 249-7693 Message Center

!! Avoid the "cult awareness network". This has been taken over by
scientology !!

And of course, there is the internet where you can get a lot of helpful
information, like this text. If you have a web browser, enter this
address into it ( http://www.xenu.net ) and then follow the underlined
topics you are interested in.


5. But scientology is the most ethical group on the planet!

Says who? Scientology itself. If you look in the "ethics" book, you will
see that in scientology the word is synonymous to scientology itself,
and also means to "getting things done".

Here is an example: at a recent picket, a scientologist had a sign
"Keith Henson Child Molester". Keith Henson is a person who has
criticized scientology. He is not a child molester, he was never
investigated by the police about that - it is simply made up. The
scientology "ethics" allows this, because according to scientology tech,
Henson is a "criminal" anyway just because he disagrees with
scientology, and any lie is OK if it punishes or handles this
"criminal." Most people in the world would say it is very bad ethics to
cause such a terrible, painful punishment just for saying "I don't agree
with you."

To understand this, just imagine *you* hate Keith Henson, because you
have been told that Keith Henson is against scientology. Are you now
willing to hold that sign "Keith Henson Child Molester" when he appears?


6. How are other schools different from scientology schools?

You learn a lot of different stuff, like language, science, art, sport,
etc. There is no "religion" in all these courses. You do not have to
write a success story all the time. Good teachers answer your questions,
instead of asking "what word have you not understood, go look it up".
You don't write K/Rs ("Knowledge report" - other calls this spying) on
other students - this is not cool. (You do of course report actual
crimes like drug dealing).

Exams are done so that you have to respond to questions or solve
problems. You have only one round to go - and you will get a result
depending how many you answered correctly. There is no "pink cheat
sheet" so that you can take the exam again and again and again until you
have 100%. This way you and the teachers can see how much you know, and
if you have to work harder. But you have to learn quite a lot before an
exam.

Depending on the school, you have to do more or less homework. If you
have difficulties to learn, you can get help from your parents, other
students, the teacher or additional hired or volunteer "helpers" (aides
and tutors).

In one case reported to me, children from a scientology school who
transferred to a public school had to start over again from lower school
levels.

In many places there are other kinds of schools too, but almost all of
them teach you what will help you to work and think for yourself and
your family, and deal peacefully with many different kinds of people
besides scientology members.

7. How is life outside of scientology?

Life is full of surprises. You have challenges all the time. You have to
make your own decisions. You can do a lot, as long as you don't harm
anyone else - because other people are also free. And yes, you make
mistakes.


8. Are psychs evil?

"psychs" (Psychologists and Psychiatrists) are no more evil than any
other profession. The main difference between an auditor and a psych is
that the psych wants you to improve, and will listen and suggest methods
for you to improve, while the auditor digs up problems you had solved
long ago, restimulates it more and more "go to the beginning of the
incident again" and then leaves you alone with it (so that you need even
more auditing, which won't solve it either). Also, you don't have to
study psychology to go to a psychologist (you don't even have to believe
that it works), but you have to learn Hubbard's texts to get auditing.

Lobotomies (destroying parts of the brain by entering a long needle
through the eye - yuk!) haven't been used for decades - because of
discussions in the "psych profession" itself. Electroshocks have changed
strongly - it is now called "Electroconvulsive therapy", is strongly
regulated, and not used as a punishment - again, because of discussions
in the "psych profession". (Did you ever remember scientologists
discussing about changing scientology???). Movies are movies. Some of
them (e.g. "Frances") were influenced by scientology itself - so this
isn't really a "proof", or is it? Same when scientologist Priscilla
Presley does electroshocks on TV with equipment of 1950.

Yes, "psychs" have abused patients. These "psychs" have gone to jail and
are forbidden to practice their profession. When did you ever heard of a
scientology registrar being told to stop threatening people, or a
scientologist excluded because he drove another to suicide? Even some
*convicted criminals* who did crimes *for* scientology are still in
scientology!

Statistics that "psychs abuse 50% of their clients" are pure fantasy.
The scientology front group CCHR has never been able to prove such
allegations. A similar fantasy is that "psychs" are responsible for the
war in Bosnia. Truth is that one of the main bad guys (Radovan Karadzic)
is a psych. But he doesn't use "psych methods" to kill: he uses guns,
like all the other evil people there.

Every situation in which one person has power over another gives a
possibility of abuse. You will find abuse in nursing homes, in the
military, in schools, at the workplace - and it is a known problem, that
is cared about and discussed. Ask yourself when an abuse in scientology
was discussed, and what was done so that it didn't happen again. I mean
more than just finding a scapegoat "XY is an SP, he had been removed".
("Finding a scapegoat" means finding someone to blame, and often leads
to further abuse; never does psychology solve abuses by the Scientology
method of threatening people so they are afraid to talk about it. Often
it is customary or required for the psych to show you in writing what
things you should complain about if they happen, and where you can take
your complaints.)

Even LRH begged for psychiatric help after world war 2. (Letter
available on request)


9. But it WORKS !

So you have noticed that some methods worked. For example, you felt
better after a touch-assist. It is true, sometimes you believe in it and
it works. The name for this is "placebo effect" - methods that do
nothing, but cure anyway. It works because strong belief releases a drug
that your own body produces ("endorphines"). No obscure "technology".
But have you noticed how often it has not worked? Then the excuse is
"scientology was not properly applied". A rather cheap excuse, if you
ask me. Sadly, people die because they try such methods instead of going
to the doctor. The doctor cures you, without the need of believing that
something works. Why is this so? Because medicine is tested in a way
that the first people who take it are separated in two groups: the one
who gets the real stuff, and the one who gets a fake one. The experiment
is designed so that even the nurse who gives the medicine, and the
doctors who check if it works don't know if the patient gets the real or
the fake medicine!

That is the difference:
Scientology: "It works because it works"
Medicine: "It works because independant experts have observed it works"


10. Do other children have to work?

(This applies rather to children on scientology staff)

No, of course not (there are certain exemptions for family-run
businesses, farms, etc, where children might be allowed to perform a
small amount of work). There are strong laws to prohibit child
exploitation, limiting number of hours per week and so on even for older
teenagers. If you are forced to work in scientology, then scientology
ignores these laws. They practice modern slavery under the cover of
"religion". Doing this is not different than an indian rug manufacturer
or a "sweat shop" operation. And yes, it might be illegal. Write
everything down carefully (people, hours, dates, what things you had to
do) and then call the sheriff.


11. A scientologist touches me in a way I don't like. What can I do?

If he touches your genital parts or tells you to touch his, then it is a
*crime*, even if the scientologist is "upstat" or "OT". Please do not
report it to scientology because a case at "Flag" has shown they won't
do anything! Go right to the police and tell *all*. If you think you
could trust your parents in the past, then discuss the matter with them.
You do not have to feel guilty. It is the fault of the other person.


12. Has anyone ever died because of scientology?

Yes, for example by suicide. In France a scientology org ED was sent to
jail for driving another to suicide. The scientologist jumped from the
window with the mother and the children watching. In England an
ex-scientologist jumped from a bridge. Even after his death, the
scientologists were still sending threatening letters. In the US a woman
died after the scientologists "cared" for her - she had nothing to drink
for several days. She had only $11 left, although her income had been
over $100,000 a year. The scientologists change their stories all the
time, how she died.

13. Can I trust my fellow scientologists?

No, usually not. They will put scientology over friendship - you have
certainly observed this before. They will tell all you told them in the
next session, O/W writeup, or K/R or whatever. People have done so in
the past - today they might feel guilty for it. A different case might
be your parents. Ask yourself if you could trust them in the past.


14. Will scientology use my personal folders against me?

Yes, possibly. They have done so in the past, and will do it in the
future. They will do *everything* they can. They *have* to - LRH policy
dicates it. If you leave, you are an SP, so you're fair game. The more
you make them trouble, the lower they'll get. But remember also that
many threats are pure lies, e.g. "You will go to jail because you have
stolen $10 to buy a meal". This is called "blackmail", and *they* should
go to jail for it! So assume from the beginning that they will do it,
and prepare your strategy. Even jail is more freedom than scientology -
because your thoughts are free!

15. I was born and educated in scientology. What will happen?

You might have some trouble to adjust to the real world. Scientology's
communication methods are rather unsuccessful outside the "safe space",
and can only help if your job has somehow to do with "hard sell".
Recommendation: start reading newspapers (The St Petersburg Times),
magazines (TIME), easy "books" (The Reader's Digest). The three I
mentioned is what scientologists fear the most, although these are
pretty ordinary writings! Try also meeting ordinary people, e.g. in a
sports club, and learn to see how they communicate. Don't try to
"handle" them, but be also critical in the way that you don't do
something you don't want to do.


16. Is there anything that I am not told by scientology?

Yes, quite a lot! Here it is:

1. Hubbard was not a war hero - he claimed this, and a judge called him
a "pathological liar", although scientology had spent lots of $$ in the
lawsuit. Hubbard was not a hero - he was a fool, a coward and a cheat.

2. Quentin Hubbard, son of LRH, was gay (he preferred men as partners)
and committed suicide. Being gay is considered a big no-no in
scientology. Hubbard was so ashamed of it that he told scientologists
that "Q" had been murdered.

3. "Nibbs" Hubbard, son of LRH, left scientology shortly after the
beginning and even changed his name - he was too ashamed of his dad.

4. Two women, Polly and Sarah, divorced from Hubbard. Hubbard later
denied being the father of one of his child "Alexis". (A lie)

5. Mary Sue, his third wife, got in jail for her crimes and was dumped
by LRH.

6. Hubbard was convicted of fraud in France. He did not appear at trial
because he is a coward.

7. Heber Jentzsch, the "president", was arrested in Spain in 1988. He is
still awaiting trial.

8. David Miscavige, the Nr. 1., is such an e-meter-head that he wasn't
even able to finish high school. He would be a complete zero outside of
the scientology world.

9. OT3 claims that you are possessed by the spirits of aliens murdered
75,000,000 years ago by "Xenu." You have to exorcise these spirits, at a
very high cost per alien. Yes, pure science-fiction.
(If you have a multimedia computer, you can watch the "Xenu after school
special"! http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/xemu/video/Xenu.ram )

10. There aren't 8 million scientologists. There aren't even 100,000
acording to polls.


Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net

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[SNIP]

Are there any changes in this compared to the copy I have on
Operation Clambake?

Best wishes, SP4 & Adm. TOXE CXI
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have acted, the indifference of those who should have known
better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered
most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
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Michael 'Mike' Gormez -- www.enturbulate.nu

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In article <a54tcskj6eeocrl6q...@4ax.com>,
til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:

>scientologists. Guess what: people do *not* like to be "handled" (do
>you?). Everyone is a free person, just like you.

Btw, for a "handling" read this. How the handicapped-person
hater Ken Harthun (OT4 at least) was busy handling his daughter:
http://www.neosoft.com/~dcs/tnx-961.txt

I immediately suspected some major suppression on her lines!

So I pulled ALL her withholds on the subject (I was NOT gentle with
this, but I got them all without making her feel invalidated or wrong
in any way - I kept my TRs in!)

In the midst of this, the person she thought was the source of the
upset called her, and Amie spent the next 45 minutes HANDLING this
girl. BEFORE I had done anything more than pull her withholds.

The result? The girl keyed out, Amie keyed out, and I ALMOST dropped
the issue. But I didn't. I proceeded to do a standard PTS handling.
====

He kepts his TRs in/PTS handling.. For Xenu's sake, the man was talking
with his daughter! And yes, he really doens't like handicapped persons:
http://starbase.neosoft.com/~dcs/posts/other/tnxl1.html

I do not agree with a tax break for the handicapped person, as this is

another method of rewarding the downstat. In my concept of the program,
the person would not be eligible for any relief beyond re-training. Most
people *want* to produce and contribute. If they don't, they should not
expect to be subsidized by those who do. Standard bonuses and incentives
for competent production would be sufficient.

- Ken Harthun


Mikey
--
Scientology & Dianetics
Tax-exempt child abuse and neglect?
http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/deaths/childabuse.html

Tilman Hausherr

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On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 11:03:10 -0700, Garry <gar...@pacbell.net> wrote in
<38E78B5E...@pacbell.net>:

>Yeah...leave it to the Tilbert

LOL... "Tilbert". Didn't hear that one before. I will try to use it at
work. I do already have a "Dilbert" Cartoon on my office door.

--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
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