Open Letter #2 to Mike Rinder re Cancer from Robert Vaughn Young
Robert Vaughn Young
Monday, February 21, 2000
OPEN LETTER #2 TO RINDER - re CANCER
Since remarking in that other open letter to you about the behavior of
your volunteer in throwing those remarks at Stacy that she is killing me
(an obvious reference to my cancer and blaming her), I decided that you
need to be told something else.
If I ever hear of that being done again, if I ever learn that your drones
have thrown that into her face (or mine), I will use every resource I can
muster to tell the world how you (collectively Scientology and L. Ron
Hubbard) feel about and treat cancer patients and those close to them.
I will ensure that every cancer support group - from newsgroups to mailing
lists to web sites - which I can find, gets that message with the details
of what occurred. Time, place, form and event along with this last
incidence and the other times - such as your behavior in Tampa. I will
make sure that it is in the subject line, key words and written in a way
so that if a person reads only the opening paragraph (let alone the
subject line) they will get the truth of how you people feel about cancer
patients and those who support them.
Now let me tell you why I am doing this. I know your first reaction will
be that it bothers me or her and I'm taking this personally. No, Rinder.
It doesn't and you can quote me on that. I said I am moving off into a new
enterprise to help people with cancer (specifically prostate cancer that
kills 40-50K men a year) and I am not going to stand by while someone
treats people with the disease with the disdain you are ordering to be
done. (If that volunteer had know what her insult meant, would she have
said it?) To insult Stacy or me on the subject is to insult every person
with the disease. Coming from anyone else, I could say it was done in jest
(bad taste), momentary anger or ignorance and would remark more politely
on it. Coming from your people, it is none of these. It is a deliberate
attack of the condition and it shows exactly what the organization and
Hubbard teaches and I will tell everyone who is fighting cancer exactly
that. Then if you want to follow with your despicable "dead agent" tactics
to those same groups and sites and lists, go for it and be sure to include
this message. If you don't, I will.
I don't want you to think that just because I am "retiring" from speaking
out about abuses of your organization to devote myself to cancer education
that I am going to ignore you if you decide to intrude into that subject.
If you do, I will speak out but it will be from a different perspective. I
will be speaking as a cancer patient, not as a former Scientology staff
member. And believe me, bubba, in the world of cancer, we have a whole
different criterion as to who is an "expert" about cancer. And think twice
before you conjure up someone who "is suffering from cancer" to come after
me. You'll be stepping into a territory so foreign that it will look more
ridiculous than Kobrin's attempt to close ARS by telling ISPs to "rm" the
group, having no idea what "rm" even means or does.
It is my intention to step away from this particular battle, but if you
want to follow me by dragging in my condition as an attack on Stacy or me,
I will be more than happy to respond.
Secondly - yeah, there's more - if your drones continue to throw our
marriage (meaning Stacy and me) into our faces in righteous indignation as
you have done in the past, I will treat it in the same way and choose my
method of response. It is quite clear exactly what it is that you are
doing. You can issue every denial or Weinberg can challenge it with "what
evidence do you have" but you known damned well that I know exactly what
you are doing. I was trained in the same tech so nothing more need be
said.
I could care less about the rest of your rantings and posturings. You've
taken every shot you can in the last 6-7 years or however long this has
been going on, from picketing our home to anonymous leaflets to direct
threats but you never had the good sense to recognize that nothing worked.
So I don't expect you to stop. (Dept 20/RTC is in desperate need of Grades
0-IV.) But you've got a chance on these topics. I'm being a lot more
magnanimous than you. I'm giving you a warning because I want the world to
know that I did. I want the world to know that despite your lack of
compassion and direct attack on me and my friends about my condition, I
gave you a chance to change.
Another group that has gone through this is people with AIDS or are HIV
positive. They underwent that sort of assault. (And we know how Hubbard
feels about homosexuality.) It wasn't until those afflicted decided to
stand up in defense not of themselves but of the condition that the bigots
began to back off. It hasn't stopped, but progress has been made.
The fact that you would now open a similar assault on cancer patients and
their supporters puts you and your organization into the same category and
I will be more than delighted to tell the world in every way that I can.
And there is a MUCH bigger world out there interested in cancer than
Scientology or even cults. It is huge. And I will use them all to bring
support to any cancer patient or their supporters who face the kind of
disgusting behavior you have decided to launch on Stacy and me.
So get that message, Rinder. Attack a cancer patient for having cancer or
their supporters for supporting them or blame anyone for that condition
and you will hear from me on behalf of a very large and growing
population. As to me and Scientology, have a ball. I could care less. That
is no longer my arena or domain of interest. I have another struggle that
requires my time. But you'll hear from me if you reach across into that
domain in any way.
That is a promise.
Over to you.
Robert Vaughn Young
2/21/00
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
>
>Monday, February 21, 2000
>
>OPEN LETTER #2 TO RINDER - re CANCER
>
>Since remarking in that other open letter to you about the behavior of
>your volunteer in throwing those remarks at Stacy that she is killing me
>(an obvious reference to my cancer and blaming her), I decided that you
>need to be told something else.
>
>If I ever hear of that being done again, if I ever learn that your drones
>have thrown that into her face (or mine), I will use every resource I can
>muster to tell the world how you (collectively Scientology and L. Ron
>Hubbard) feel about and treat cancer patients and those close to them.
You just know they can't let sleeping wogs lie.
>
>I will ensure that every cancer support group - from newsgroups to mailing
>lists to web sites - which I can find, gets that message with the details
>of what occurred. Time, place, form and event along with this last
>incidence and the other times - such as your behavior in Tampa. I will
>make sure that it is in the subject line, key words and written in a way
>so that if a person reads only the opening paragraph (let alone the
>subject line) they will get the truth of how you people feel about cancer
>patients and those who support them.
This post is a good start. Way to go $cientology.
Vaughn, several hundred a.r.s. participants know exactly what Rinder,
DM and $cientology are doing in their black PR attacks on you and
Stacy, and other people's marriages and relationships. Several
thousand people around the world know exactly what the cult is doing.
Every scrap of black PR is recorded. There will be a day of reckoning.
Right on Vaughn. This is exactly the level of defiance needed for this
task. When the Miscavige cultists perceive themselves surrounded by
resolutely defiant folks their dirty game will be over.
Do the right thing, Mike.
Vaya con Dios, Vaughn.
(c) Gerry Armstrong
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>Robert Vaughn Young
>2/21/00
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roger gonnet
Robert Vaughn Young <wri...@eskimo.com> a écrit dans le message :
88va5e$9o6$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com...
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> Monday, February 21, 2000
>
> OPEN LETTER #2 TO RINDER - re CANCER
Too bad, and good luck for you and those you are helping.
Your holy anger is really good to read. Indignation is a great way to
exorcize the old -and present- demons one can feel all around, particularly
into scientology.
>
> Another group that has gone through this is people with AIDS or are HIV
> positive. They underwent that sort of assault. (And we know how Hubbard
> feels about homosexuality.)
[That did not stop him from making some sex-parties with Margerie Cameron
and his "friend" Jack Parson, under the guise of so-called satanist rituals
to create a moonchild. Was it to create a moonchild, or to get a full moon?]
roger