>From: "Kevin Brady" rocks...@hotmail.comThe police, if necessary, who can assist them on a timely basis in reclaiming
>> >are subjected to Sec Checking under duress. They CANNOT LEAVE.
any property they have in the custody of the church facility where they berth .
You know the police are always being called in to handle "domestic disputes"
where one of the parties is facing a "where do I go to live" problem, has to
retrieve some personal property from the residence, etc. THOSE people mostly
somehow make out, and there are tons and tons of domestic dispute cases like
this all the time. RPF leaving isn't harder than this at worst.
>They have no money, no clothes, no food, andModernly many Sea Org members are increasingly woven into a matrix of social
>all of their friends are organization members.
resources that might be dominated by other Scientologists, so some of them
might have only organization friends or friends loyal to the organization.
Many others have the traditional Scientologist's relationship with family and
friends which can be anti-Scientological or turn so in a heartbeat. Most SO
leavers I've talked to had resources for departure not only among antiScieno
friends or family but *within* the ranks of Scientologists in good standing,
including within fellow SO staff member ranks. The pravda that no SO staff
person would help another SO staff person depart hastily or fund/assist them
for this purpose
is just that: pravda. The image of the robot zombies over on the other side is
largely that: image. There are probably examples of both indifference or cruel
treatment by the remaining staff to the leaver as well as generosity in a
complete survey of the leaving process.
This lack of resources is a problem for departure, but not something that keeps
>The SO specializes in hard-selling the idealist which volunteer for service,Agree, except that what constitutes deception and fraud is partially a
>totally unwitting about the deception and fraud they are subjecting
subjective matter in many cases.
>I have never heard of gang-bangHells bells I was *gang banged* in a mere mission early on in my Scientology
>sec-checks on Class IV
Generally I see religious groups that are dogmatic and high-demand, and even
Gang banging is a gift in disguise. You get to examine, by being put under
Gang banging ain't fun to be subject to, but it isn't what made me eventually
I'm joining the <<yawn>> conspiracy, you see, here.
>>Consent eliminates violation.It becomes rapidly apparent to the SO member when they enlist what the
>Consent given under fraudulent claims and misrepresentation of the actual
situation they will live and work in is like. Unless we are confining
ourselves to people who route onto the RPF before finishing the EPF (do such
people even exist???) this isn't really an effective vitiation of consent.
>The real reason an SO memberI agree. As this description indicates there is no brainwashing going on, as
>doesn't leave isn't because he is necessarily afraid of reprisal, but
>because he is afraid he would have to admit that he had slid down a slippery
>slope of increasingly betraying his own internal compass, and mortgaged his
>awareness to the "greater good" of scientology INTERNATIONAL, which he is
>continually lied to about.
people retain their ability to assess this sort of thing and act independently
and rationally according to their own, indwelling values. Before they reach
that decision to leave they sort through a certain amount of deception and
false claims that may form part of the basis of their prior commitment, and
weigh just how important it is to them to compromise on some points to prevail
in a common struggle to win on others. Exactly what those deceptions and false
claims are may well be very very different for different people, subjectively
though, and exactly how much sleaziness by one's own side is going to be
tolerated is also idiosyncratic too often enough.
>I am sorry if I seem impatient.Been there, mostly. But for those I left behind, and they are not trivial in
>There is more to this story, for me (can you smell the bypassed charge?)
number, I marvel that they still remain committed to what they are committed to
despite adversity. Is there more to their story? They have made hard choices,
and perhaps I feel they choose the wrong side of things, but it was their
choice to make. I believe nonsense about calling SO RPFs "slave labor camps"
is part of a campaign to deny these people their chosen way of life, which is
why I am in this thread. I personally do not think highly of that as a way of
life, but do not see it as my role to join in efforts to deprive them of it
through societal pressure born of smear campaigns.
We can never, any of us, completely walk in someone elses shoes. They have to
= The a.r.s. prime directive: Make Jokes About Scientologist's Deaths=
Example, regarding Attorney Moxon and his UNFORTUNATE loss: "Maybe he
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