what about the SCN creed?
Val, Chappel
The creed of the church of Scientology
WE (they) of the church believe:
That all men of whatever race,color or creed were created with equal
rights.
That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices
and their per formance.
That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives.
That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity.
That all men have inalienable rights to their own defense.
That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist and
support their own organizations,churches and governments.
That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely
their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of
others.
That all men have inalienable rights to the creation of their own kind.
That the souls of men have the rights of men.
That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills
should not be alienated from the religion or condoned in nonreligious
fields.
And that no agency less than GOD has the power to suspend or set aside
these rights,overtly or covertly.
REF: What is scientology/ the creed of the church of scientology (first
printing 1978)
Well, What if the church followed their own creed? It seems if
they "got the tech in" their would be NO attackes on people who excerise
their rights?!?
What up wit dat???
EXcmo lurkdog.
Graystone
Val, Chappel wrote:
>
> The creed of the church of Scientology
> WE (they) of the church believe:
> That all men of whatever race,color or creed were created with equal
> rights.
on people.
Number 3
> The creed of the church of Scientology
> WE (they) of the church believe:
they? is this in the original, or is val saying he's not in scn?
> That all men of whatever race,color or creed were created with equal
> rights.
were women included? maybe 'people' would be a better word today.
> That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices
> and their performance.
> That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives.
meaning that they can use them, take them, sell them
as they choose? the law doesn't altogether agree.
> That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity.
meaning that they can be sane or insane, as they choose???
how do people choose to be sane, when they are insane?
> That all men have inalienable rights to their own defense.
can't figure out what this means.
> That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist and
> support their own organizations,churches and governments.
> That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely
> their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of
> others.
speak would be a better word than 'talk'
> That all men have inalienable rights to the creation of their own kind.
to the creation of their own kind???? what kind of creation?
is this talking about procreation??
> That the souls of men have the rights of men.
to assert the existence of a soul, to assert it's existence
separately from man, are relgious statements to which i object,
and which most definitely should not be part of any public
policy.
and what rights can a soul have, that the man does not?
or how can a soul be controlled, except through the man?
> That the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills
> should not be alienated from the religion or condoned in nonreligious
> fields.
THIS STATEMENT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED! the "church" believes
that mental health is a matter of religion. too bad the "church"
is so non-scientific.
> And that no agency less than GOD has the power to suspend or set aside
> these rights,overtly or covertly.
wrong. if they are truly rights, *no* agency has the power
to suspend them. and define god.
>
> REF: What is scientology/ the creed of the church of scientology (first
> printing 1978)
this in my mind is an excellent example of how hubbard
always ends up perverting things. he takes a few high
principles, states them in misleading (capable of misinterpretation),
vocabulary, slides in some nonsense, and in the end says
nothing.
and how is this a creed? what does it say about scientology's
religious belief (dictionary def)? approximately nothing.
>
> Well, What if the church followed their own creed? It seems if
> they "got the tech in" their would be NO attackes on people who excerise
> their rights?!?
apparently the creed doesn't mean much. even if it was one.
>
> What up wit dat???
>
> EXcmo lurkdog.
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Number 3 <see...@ix.netcom.spamtrap.com> wrote in article
<seekon-1506...@sjx-ca74-50.ix.netcom.com>...
> In article <339CBB...@unr.edu>, "Val, Chappel" <val...@unr.edu>
wrote:
(snip)
>
> > That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely
> > their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions
of
> > others.
Hubbard must have found these words on a park bench and they got mixed in
with a bag full of words for his next scripture. [Pardon me, I have to go
to the bathroom--bad!]
---Alec
Joe Harrington
>
> > WE (they) of the church believe:
>
> they? is this in the original, or is val saying he's not in scn?
>
> > That all men of whatever race,color or creed were created with equal
> > rights.
>
> were women included? maybe 'people' would be a better word today.
>
> > That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices
> > and their performance.
> > That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives.
>
> meaning that they can use them, take them, sell them
> as they choose? the law doesn't altogether agree.
>
> > That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity.
>
> meaning that they can be sane or insane, as they choose???
> how do people choose to be sane, when they are insane?
>
> > That all men have inalienable rights to their own defense.
>
> can't figure out what this means.
>
> > That all men have inalienable rights to conceive, choose, assist and
> > support their own organizations,churches and governments.
>
> > their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of
> > others.
>
I think this "Creed" is actually well-stated and I've adopted it as a
personal one, despite my non-membership in Hubbard's organization. I've
found it much more pragmatic and democratic than the Apostolic Creed of
Christianity, although Hubbard's later written policy contradicts most
of the the former.
Joe