A Message from Cynthia Kisser
Deana Marie Holmes
Minton posted here on a.r.s regarding Laura Terepin.
Cynthia told me that she had worked with Laura for a number of years
in the CAN offices. Cynthia was contacted approximately a month ago
regarding these allegations that Bob has made regarding Laura. At
that time, Cynthia asked for the evidence to be presented to her,
because she frankly found it to be unbelievable. She was told that
this evidence would be made available to her, but as of tonight, it
has not been made available to her, even though she has asked on more
than one occasion.
She's still waiting.
Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod Keller)
The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
mir...@xmission.com
Stacy Brooks
wrote:
>I spoke to Cynthia Kisser tonight about the allegations that Bob
>Minton posted here on a.r.s regarding Laura Terepin.
>
>Cynthia told me that she had worked with Laura for a number of years
>in the CAN offices. Cynthia was contacted approximately a month ago
>regarding these allegations that Bob has made regarding Laura. At
>that time, Cynthia asked for the evidence to be presented to her,
>because she frankly found it to be unbelievable. She was told that
>this evidence would be made available to her, but as of tonight, it
>has not been made available to her, even though she has asked on more
>than one occasion.
>
>She's still waiting.
>
I am the one who spoke to Cynthia. She did not indicate to me that she found
it "unbelievable" in any way. I told her how she could verify what I had told
her, and gave her the means to do so. If she has not, this is her choice.
Stacy Brooks
Deana Marie Holmes
wrote:
I think you'd best check your facts, Stacy.
I'm trying to be nice about this, but from what Cynthia told me with
her own lips at 9 PM Mountain time last night, you're not telling the
truth.
Deana Marie Holmes
wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:40:03 GMT, mir...@newsguy.com (Deana Marie Holmes)
>wrote:
>
>>I spoke to Cynthia Kisser tonight about the allegations that Bob
>>Minton posted here on a.r.s regarding Laura Terepin.
>>
>>Cynthia told me that she had worked with Laura for a number of years
>>in the CAN offices. Cynthia was contacted approximately a month ago
>>regarding these allegations that Bob has made regarding Laura. At
>>that time, Cynthia asked for the evidence to be presented to her,
>>because she frankly found it to be unbelievable. She was told that
>>this evidence would be made available to her, but as of tonight, it
>>has not been made available to her, even though she has asked on more
>>than one occasion.
>>
>>She's still waiting.
>>
>I am the one who spoke to Cynthia. She did not indicate to me that she found
>it "unbelievable" in any way. I told her how she could verify what I had told
>her, and gave her the means to do so. If she has not, this is her choice.
>
I received the following this morning and I think it's appropriate
here.
I have received calls and emails about what is going on tonight on
a.r.s. in regard to a statement by Bob Minton concerning Laura
Terepin.
I did receive a call from Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks on
December 18, 1998 regrading allegations that Laura Terepin had been
proven to be a Scientology operative. I asked to see the proof on
which they were basing the claim. I was told the private investigator
who had uncovered this evidence would be put in touch with me. I
waited patiently but did not receive a call. I informed Bill Rehling,
who had been president of CAN at the time CAN closed as well as for
several years before that, of the allegations at issue, and he
approved of my approach in seeking evidence from Bob and Stacy.
On January 7 I received another call from Stacy on an unrelated
matter, and brought up to her the fact that I had not been contacted
by the investigator and still wanted to talk to him. I was given his
number, and I specifically asked that he be contacted first so that he
would know that his client approved him talking to me about his
investigation. I was told this would be done immediately. I then
called the investigator about five days later, and he refused to talk
to me because he had not been given approval from his client to do so.
He did admit he had done an investigation. He promised to speak with
his client and call me back.
I have never received a call back.
I want to say publicly that Bob Minton has been of help to me
in the past, and I will always appreciate this. However, I object to
the lack of evidence that has been supplied to me in regard to this
claim about Laura, though I asked for evidence, and made efforts to
obtain it.
I also say publicly what I have said privately to Bob and
Stacy, I would like to see the evidence.
Laura was of great help to us in the CAN office. Neither I
nor any of the CAN office staff or CAN board ever saw any indication
that she was involved with Scientology, and we had considerable
experience dealing with Scientology over the years.
I know first hand what it is like to have one's reputation
unfairly attacked with the use of inflammatory language. And this
attack on Laura in this manner is unfair. Since Laura did not post on
a.r.s. nor try to recruit in any way through the newsgroup, nor attack
others' reputations on-line, this on-line attack was not necessary.
It should not have been done until proof had been supplied to me and
other CAN staffers and officers of Bob's claims so that, should that
proof be inadequate or unverifiable, we could have made it clear to
Bob that attempts to discredit Laura with claims that she was a
Scientology agent would be opposed. I make such opposition clear now.
And I am confident that CAN's former staff and the members of
the board of directors who served with me will support me in this
opposition.
Cynthia Kisser
G. SCARFF
> >>I spoke to Cynthia Kisser tonight about the allegations that Bob
> >>Minton posted here on a.r.s regarding Laura Terepin.
Bob informed me of this information last month in Florida. I was very taken aback
by the information because I am fond of Laura and saw her in recent months when
she was providing clerical assistance to Graham Berry and during Ursula Caberta's
visit to LA. Laura never showed any indication to me that she was working with
Scientology, and never exhibited any of the nuances or inquisitive mannerisms I've
come to know from my former associations with Scientology. In the time we have
spent together, she never inquired nor pushed for information from me.
It should also be noted that Laura shared her empathy with me regarding my HIV
condition and expressed her support of the gay & lesbian community, admitting to
me that she was a lesbian and comfortable with it. Hardly, an admission coming
from a true & blue Scientologist, if in fact, the information was true.
I, nor Graham have seen any physical evidence Laura was tied to Scientology, yet
I am conflicted because I do not believe that Bob Minton or Stacy Young would
deliberately lie about something of this nature. They, on a very personal level,
have done much to instill my trust in them.
Garry Scarff
Garry
Cynthia Kisser
says...
>
>I am the one who spoke to Cynthia. She did not indicate to me that she
found
>it "unbelievable" in any way. I told her how she could verify what I
had told
>her, and gave her the means to do so. If she has not, this is her
choice.
>
Mark Styles
<snip>
>I have received calls and emails about what is going on tonight on
>a.r.s. in regard to a statement by Bob Minton concerning Laura
>Terepin.
>Cynthia Kisser
Umm, this may be over simplifying the situation, but has Cynthia, or
anybody else, spoken to this Laura person directly? If they were such
good friends, surely they must still be in contact, unless Laura
really has 'blown' and gone into hiding.
Mark.
Religious tolerance is an oxymoron.
http://www.lambic.co.uk
roger gonnet
Deana Marie Holmes wrote:
It's evident that this is a *very serious* matter to clear up entirely
with "arscc".
Nobody can make such allegations on people known as friends since years
without giving the proofs of allegations.
Now, it's not impossible that Bob Minton has been lured into 3d parties
allegations from _TRUE_ scn operatives. As far as i could see from the
few lines I've been able to understand on the topic of Ralph Doiran,
that looked also a finely done OSA's intox.
But I did not see any piece of evidence - neither from one side, or from
the other. So, even very attentive/knowledgeable persons can be lured by
OSA's ops; the only things are proofs , solid, crosschecked.
roger
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:31:52 GMT, sta...@ix.netcom.com (Stacy Brooks)
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 04:40:03 GMT, mir...@newsguy.com (Deana Marie Holmes)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I spoke to Cynthia Kisser tonight about the allegations that Bob
> >>Minton posted here on a.r.s regarding Laura Terepin.
> >>
> >>Cynthia told me that she had worked with Laura for a number of years
> >>in the CAN offices. Cynthia was contacted approximately a month ago
> >>regarding these allegations that Bob has made regarding Laura. At
> >>that time, Cynthia asked for the evidence to be presented to her,
> >>because she frankly found it to be unbelievable. She was told that
> >>this evidence would be made available to her, but as of tonight, it
> >>has not been made available to her, even though she has asked on more
> >>than one occasion.
> >>
> >>She's still waiting.
> >>
> >I am the one who spoke to Cynthia. She did not indicate to me that she found
> >it "unbelievable" in any way. I told her how she could verify what I had told
> >her, and gave her the means to do so. If she has not, this is her choice.
> >
>
> I received the following this morning and I think it's appropriate
> here.
>
>
> I have received calls and emails about what is going on tonight on
> a.r.s. in regard to a statement by Bob Minton concerning Laura
> Terepin.
>
Bernie
>It should also be noted that Laura shared her empathy with me regarding my HIV
>condition and expressed her support of the gay & lesbian community, admitting to
>me that she was a lesbian and comfortable with it. Hardly, an admission coming
>from a true & blue Scientologist, if in fact, the information was true.
Thought Big Bob said she had a boyfriend.
>I, nor Graham have seen any physical evidence Laura was tied to Scientology, yet
>I am conflicted because I do not believe that Bob Minton or Stacy Young would
>deliberately lie about something of this nature. They, on a very personal level,
>have done much to instill my trust in them.
Does not need to be a lie. Inconclusive evidences is something that Mintonians
seem kinda prone of. If Dorian didn't make a dazzling entry, together with three
"poisoned" cats, some people might still believe Big Bob unquestioningly.
Bernie
>mir...@newsguy.com (Deana Marie Holmes) rambled:
><snip>
>>I have received calls and emails about what is going on tonight on
>>a.r.s. in regard to a statement by Bob Minton concerning Laura
>>Terepin.
><snip>
>>Cynthia Kisser
>
>Umm, this may be over simplifying the situation, but has Cynthia, or
>anybody else, spoken to this Laura person directly? If they were such
>good friends, surely they must still be in contact, unless Laura
>really has 'blown' and gone into hiding.
My question too. Of course Cynthia could contact her, I guess, but what is the
use for doing so if Cynthia doesn't first know what exactly is the matter and
doesn't have all the elements in hand? I find the delay of the mintonians to
provide her with the required evidences most disturbing. I wouldn't wait with
such matter even for a day.
Rebecca Hartong
Bernie wrote in message <36c1dc8f...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:14:19 -0800 "G. SCARFF" <gar...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>
>>It should also be noted that Laura shared her empathy with me regarding my
HIV
>>condition and expressed her support of the gay & lesbian community,
admitting to
>>me that she was a lesbian and comfortable with it. Hardly, an admission
coming
>>from a true & blue Scientologist, if in fact, the information was true.
>
>Thought Big Bob said she had a boyfriend.
Heh... good catch, Bernie. That's right. Bob said he and Stacy had gone
out with Laura and her boyfriend. If Laura is a lesbian and is comfortable
with it, why would she have this "boyfriend" unless, perhaps, Bob simply
misunderstood the relationship between Laura and this guy-- assuming they
were romantically involved when they were simply friends. At any rate, it
would appear that either Bob or Garry doesn't know Laura as well as he
claims to know her.
Martin Hunt
> I have received calls and emails about what is going on tonight on
>a.r.s. in regard to a statement by Bob Minton concerning Laura Terepin.
Yet another person gets burned by Bob Dorian and crew.
No evidence will be posted, I predict; this will all be left to
"blow over", and then, six months from now, Rod or someone will
post that this was all explained adequately at the time in a post
by Bob or Stacy, or was discussed on IRC or something.
Well, it's a crock of shit, this whole thing. Bob's got his own
PI's, now? Doing investigations into people? DA is being issued
against people he doesn't like. He's getting paranoid. He's got
a few groupies who will support him *no matter what he says or
does*. What's next for L. Ron Minton?
--
Cogito, ergo sum. Just the FAQs: http://scientologysucks.lron.com
"...you are replying to an off-topic forged message that was posted
by a 'bot. The person whose name appears in the From: header of that
message almost certainly did not post it. Many regulars on a.r.s.,
including me, have been victims of these forgeries.
This appears to be a CoS plot to discredit critics by associating us
with racist and pro-Nazi statements that we did not in fact make."
- Ron Newman
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Martin Hunt
"G. SCARFF" <gar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>They, on a very personal level, have done much to instill my trust in them.
And *your* trust is, as we all know, so very, very important,
so very rare and precious. Fact is, I wouldn't trust you not
to spike my drink, Scarff.
Diane Richardson
Ah, but don't you see? Jesse Prince "cured" her of her lesbianisn!
The wonders of the Dorian Tech will never cease to amaze the world!
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net
Stacy Brooks
Jamie Coville wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:34:14 +1030, Peter <lo...@wantree.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> I guess I should have taken the cover B&W picture from the Larsen
> >> Resources website even more seriously as a sign of problems ahead for
> >> longtime Nova and Warriors fans' ability to get along with Mr. Larsen.
>
> Larsen is a long time Nova fan. Those that loved the 70's series will
> probably like what he's got planned.
fantastic... considering MOST Nova fans these days are New Warrior fans from
the 90's...
--
Peter Likidis
lostATwantree.com.au
http://centurycity.hypermart.net
"Life .. a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, in the end signifying
nothing" - Shakespeare.
Deana Marie Holmes
soup cooked with a hambone that has a fair amount of meat still on it?
Any suggestions will be very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Lindy M
Alvin
Deana Marie Holmes wrote in message <243005e.L...@forested.org>...
>Lisa A. Hadler wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>I'm Christian, but having some doubts. More and more, Judaism seems
>>like, well, the faith I'm drawn to. It's hard to explain what I'm
>>feeling, but the Jewish tradition's emphasis on clear ethical systemic
>>thought, and other things, make Judaism attractive to me. It feels like
>>less a human construct than other faiths. >>
>
>Judaism is no less a human construct than other faiths. If that's your
>feeling, stick to Christianity.
>>
>>The thing about Christianity that keeps me from converting thus far is
>>the pacifism in the teachings of Jesus.>>
>Was he really a pacifist?
>
> I do think that if a pacifist
>>world view were lived consistently, the world could be transformed. >>
>
>But it's not. Judaism teaches realism. This is not realism.
>
>>
>>Is there room for pacifist thought in Judaism? >>
>
>No. Judaism teaches: if someone comes to kill you, kill him first.
>Theproblem is, Jews never practice what they preach and believe.
Christians
>do. Christians practice pacifism, and practice the opposite. I think
>psychologists call this reverse psychology.
>
> I realize there are other
>>issues--like whether Jesus is the Messiah. I'm beginning to doubt it. >>
>
>Keep reading and learning. Start with some John Dominic Crossan. Then go
>onto Joel Carmichael.
>
>>
>>So, is there anyone here who can offer any help? I'd appreciate it, even
>>if it's just the opportunity to bounce my thoughts off someone else.
>Thanks.
>
>
>If pacifism is what you want, go to your local Vipassana Buddhist center.
>
>The issue of pacifism was settled in the last big war (WWII). Six million
>pacifists, all dead. Never again.
>
>DC
>NYC
>
>
>
>
Deana Marie Holmes
Miche and Dave wrote:
> In article <36a68bcd...@news.nn.iconz.co.nz>, s...@flesch.org (Sue
> Flesch) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:35:50 -0800, May's Pearls of Wisdom
> > <veck...@kandinsky.hf.intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Haven't see it in Oregon
> > >
> > >JJ wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is this now available everywhere or only here in Ohio? JJ
> > Nor in Nelson, New Zealand
>
> There's a lot McD's serves elsewhere that's not available in New Zealand.
>
> Miche
>
> --
> DO NOT USE REPLY to send me email!
> The address in my From: line is a spam trap.
> My real email address is:
> dhmec at albatross dot co dot nz
> http://www.xenu.net
That's right, they sell beer in Germany.
Stefanie
Deana Marie Holmes
>
> RTFM Flash!
> You adjust the rear sag with the shock spring's preload adjusters.
> I guess it's not the sag but the bottoming you're concerned about.
>
> >
No, I'm trying to set the proper sag with me in the saddle. With the
preload set at the minimum spring length per the manual, (247mm), the
suspension is sacked out about an inch more than recommended.( unloaded
bike vs loaded, recommended difference of 3.5-3.9 inches). The standard
spring is only good at maximum preload for up to about a 175lb rider.
Deana Marie Holmes
Deana Marie Holmes
Deana Marie Holmes
'cause I've never heard of EGG rolls....
Are they the American for Spring rolls??
TIA.
--
Alessio Tiramani
Replace "d66ABd-65465215" In My Address With "Alessio" (don't & I won't get it!)
OBFOOD: To make Chips: Peel & Chip Potatoes, Soak for 30 mins, Fry.
Deana Marie Holmes
Joseph Hertzlinger wrote:
> In <77fgk5$o55$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> coon...@my-dejanews.com writes:
>
> >In any event, only the owner of the penis should decide what
> >gets cut, modified etc.. the ethics of this are all too clear.
>
> Does that apply to hair?
>
> BAN CHILDREN'S HAIRCUTS!
The first time I tried to trim my baby's overlong fignernails,
I got part of her finger. I cried harder than she did!
Maybe they should ban fingernail trimming?
More seriously, there are plenty of people who will
fil you in on all the reasons why immunizations are
just plain evil, & should be banned - they hurt, too!
Should we ban them?
Susan
Bernie
I am a Sephardic Jew (Spainish-Egpytian) so that makes me somehwat Arabic in
ethnic orgin, I suppose. Jews and Arabs are all Semites. We need to stop the in
fighting
"When someone comes to kill you,Kill them first"-Talmud.
Deana Marie Holmes
"Michael M." wrote:
>
> That's it? What is all the hoopla about this so called great Denver Broncos
> team?
Have you watched them much? Or just watch your jets go down in flames?
Watch them more often and you will gain a great appreciation of them.
Really if you must ask such a dumb question you don't know much about
football.
> What could they say about themselves. 1 win in 5 Super Bowls?
Not one player has been on all 5 SB teams. Most have only been on 2...
this year's and last.
> That is
> pathetic, to go there 5 times and win only once.
A helluva lot better than not going at all, eh jetfan? Your boys must
be *real* pathetic then, eh?
> You call that something to
> be proud off?
You bet! 6 AFC championships in the last 2 years is amazing.
> I call that Super, Super Bowl Chokers. Nothing to write home
> about.
Well now it becomes obvious why you can't understand the media hype
around super bowl teams. It's a big game to the rest the world...
hmm... I think you are downplaying it a bit..
>
> They would never be consider like the likes of STEELERS, Cowboys, 49rs,
> Green Bay or even the Giants.
Ha.. they already are... in fact they are better than most those teams.
> They will be called the team that made it to
> the Super Bowl and choked the most. That's all. What a boring Super Bowl
> this is going to be.
Don't watch. It is the most watched sporting event in the world and
last year's SB is widely considered the best ever. The Broncos won.
> Vegas sure was not expecting this one.
They wholly expected the Broncos and Vikings to be there... not the
Falcons.. Since week one the Broncos have been the AFC favorite to go
to the SB. What are you talking about?
> I guess I'll get
> ready for another trip to the World Series. GOOOO Yankeeeess!
Great... hopefully you know something more about baseball than football
so you can enjoy the games and not ask dumb questions.
-john beez
Cynthia Kisser
Howard Brazee wrote:
> Actually, the couple of times I have gone to games, I have been jostled
> by crowds. I wouldn't be surprised if a small woman got bumped in the
> face. But I doubt if a guard said what Wayne said.
>
> But I really, really doubt if anybody purposefully hit his sister. Of
> course, if she had any bruises she would be on TV for all to see.
Excellent point. I've seen nothing on all 4 local channels, heard nothing
on the radio, seen nothing in the Post or News.
Guess I should have been trying the *reliable* news media like the Globe or
Hard Copy...
--
Best,
Chris -^-^-^- http://home.earthlink.net/~lightpony/index.html -^-^-^-
Deana Marie Holmes
Er det noen som kan fortelle hvor det er bra forhold i Norge nå?
Hemsedal, Nordefjell, Geilo, Trysil? Hvordan er det i nærhet av Oslo?
Tryvann, Varingskollen, Grefsen osv.
Petter
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Deana Marie Holmes
Deana Marie Holmes
>Davis rushed for 199 yards against Miami. If Davis can rush for 199 yards
>against by your own admission the #1 defense, what's he going to do against
>the Falcons, 399 yards?
>
>
>Only if they take him out by halftime
>
>
Deana Marie Holmes
Deana Marie Holmes
>Dear europeans,
>I'm sorry for being such an arsehole, but it's just that I'm so fucking
>frustrated of still being a virgin at the age of 25 and having no chance
>of getting a woman in the next hundred years. All I get to screw is my
>own hand and I'm getting desperate.
>
>Only if I had some friends to share this problems with, but all my so
>called 'friends' really think that I just speak crap and find me sad...
>no one really likes me.
>
>The truth is that I envy the europeans (specially in Britain, where I
>happen to live), 'cause have it all: beautiful woman, money, a future...
>lucky bastards... (oh sorry, I didn't mean to say that) I was born sad
>and will die sad... no one cares.
>
>So next time I decide to post a message abusing europeans please ignore
>it... it's just another sad frustrated bastard speaking shit.
>
>- sanjay (The sad Indian)
Pathetic....
So it's becoming a little bit too hot my 'friend' ???
Martin