Anti Scn Or Skin heads?
Arbe
Clark) wrote:
> On 25 Dec 1998 04:49:38 GMT, we...@aol.com (Webcu) wrote:
>
> >Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
> >comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
> >someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king
of slow.
>
> it is the clever idea of some person to forge all kinds of nazi messages
(taken
> from alt.politics.nationalism.white) as if they came from normal
participants in
> the newsgroup. the NNTP-Posting-Host header can be used to determine
forgeries.
>
> the purpose of it is to make critics of scientology look like nazis.
however it
> is mainly just confusing.
>
> rob
FWIW-they have also been making some of the same forgeries appear in a few
other newsgroups to try to cover their tracks.
And then there is the "test.board" automatic replies probably also set in
motion by our friends. Which means you may get a e-mail response to
"your" test message calling one Berry Bowusma(sp) a pedophile, etc.
If you get a few forgeries, and a few "test message" responses to mail
"tests' you didn't run..
You can apply for membership in our exclusive ARSCC(wdne) Club ..:-)), and
you can even get a discount on the DM(tm) DOLL - Search Dejanews on DM -
Welcome to A.R.S.--
Happy Holidays
--
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Webcu
Shy David
You are being way too hard on yourself.
The Scientology crime syndicate has been flooding this newsgroup with forged
articles, under the names and e-mail addresses of critics, that contain neo-Nazi
messages. For an overview of the prolem, see:
http://holysmoke.org/forgeries/forged.htm
---
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The Truth About Scientology: http://www.airspeed.com/~shydavid/cos.htm
The Truth About Creationism: http://holysmoke.org/icr-cult.htm
LYING IS SCIENTOLOGY'S ONLY SACREMENT
Webcu
Rob Clark
>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
it is the clever idea of some person to forge all kinds of nazi messages (taken
Tommy
>
> Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Don't give up the group. Stick around and find out why Scientology would
like it shut down. :-)
Tommy
--
"If there were any OT's, none of this would be happening."
Arnie Lerma, to a security guard at the Ft.Harrison during the 1998
pickets
Bernie
>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
anti-scientologists.
There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
a.r.s.
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Flood Control
>On 25 Dec 1998 04:49:38 GMT we...@aol.com (Webcu) wrote:
>
>>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of
>>slow.
>The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
>hate[sic] posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
>anti-scientologists.
When a cop jails a criminal, is it because of "hate?" Nope. When a
judge sentences a criminal for his or her criminal acts, is it from
"hate?" Nope.
DEBUNKED.
>There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
>newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
>a.r.s.
Nope: a.r.s. has had the longest and the most numerous. Plus the attack
on a.r.s. is concerted by at least three OSA agents, spending many hundreds
of dollars just to aquire internet access for a few days at each ISP until they
are shut down---- and then they move on to another ISP in their area. The
Scientologists posting here would like one to believe that some non-
Scientologist is running around spending a small fortune just to silence
the critics of the Scientology.
This "shore story" may work on other Scientologists (every one of whom
has had their critical thinking abilities pithed), but the critics of
Scientology and its criminal behavior know better. As someone on the
newsgroup said, if it isn't the OSA, who else? The Amish?
>Bernie
>http://welcome.to/ars
Fast
>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
Who do you suppose would benefit from making this news group hard to
follow, and who would want to falsely associate regular poster's ID
with such racist trash?
Well, we may find out soon. Other posts report that credit card fraud
has been used to facilitate the trrow-away accounts used to spam this
NG, and that the FBI has taken an interest. Stay tuned.
In the meantime, here is a repost of my message on the matter:
Subject: Racist Messages and the SPAM Attack
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:26:30 GMT
Organization: NOYB
Lines: 36
Message-ID: <36783eb5...@cnews.newsguy.com>
For all newbies to the group:
First, welcome to alt.religion.scientology. We are so happy to have
all the new readers and posters. Stick around, its a fun place.
This newsgroup (ars) has been subjected to a flood of message
forgeries over the past few months, mostly consisting of reasonable
sounding subject lines stuck together with racist messages copied from
other, usually hateful or racist, newsgroups.
It isn't clear exactly who is doing this, but they hop from one ISP to
another burning throw-away accounts as fast as the AUP teams can shut
them down.
What is clear is that their intent is to fill this newsgroup with
disgusting posts that swamp the real posts and drive away new readers.
They also put in forged author headers, so the regulars from this
group get associated with the trashy messages that they had nothing to
do with. They get archived this way in Deja News and other places,
too.
Please don't let them succeed. Just delete the nasty messages. Even
better, figure out where the spam got injected into usenet and
complain to the abuse desk for that news server.
Don't use your killfile on the author, because that author didn't
actually write the disgusting post. You may find the NFILTER program
of some help.
Don't drop out or stop reading; that is just what they want.
Hope to see you around the newsgroup. May Xenu bless you.
- Fast
Fast
wrote:
>On 25 Dec 1998 04:49:38 GMT we...@aol.com (Webcu) wrote:
>
>>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
>
>The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
Uh, no, Bernie. The posts were real ones, made to some
nationalism.white NG. Then they were copied and married to real
headers from this NG, creating the forgeries at that point.
>hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
>anti-scientologists.
And I really have not seen anything close to that kind of stuff but
directed at the Scenios. What makes you contend that there are "hate
posts" about the Cof$? Evidence please?
>There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
>newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
>a.r.s.
Just keep singing this tune, Bernie. All will be made clear soon, and
cult appologists like you will look evem more stupid that you already
do.
- Fast
mir...@my-dejanews.com
ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie) wrote:
> The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
> hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
> anti-scientologists.
Bernie, dear:
Telling the truth about the evils of Scientology is not hate.
Hopefully it's inoculating possible victims against this organized evil.
Whenever I get the notion inside my head that maybe Scn isn't so bad,
something happens to prove me wrong. There've been a lot of scummy,
despicable things to happen during the last 4 years, sorry to say.
> There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
> newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
> a.r.s.
However, it is worth noting that a.r.s was subject to a sustained (2+ month)
spam attack back in 1996 which definitely came from the cult (after all, they
were spamming Big Wins and "What is Scientology" web page text), and the cult
has in the past cancelled people's posts illegally--including my own.
And as others have pointed out, this current spam attack has gone on a long
time, using a lot of accounts, and you know, the longer it goes on, the more
likely it seems to me that this is a sustained attack on the newsgroup to
make it unreadable. Indeed, I saw some stats which seemed to indicate that
the spam was worse on days when TV shows were fixing to air, because the cult
was going nuts over the possibility that somebody might hear something that
would let him or her know that Scn isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
Bernie, let's face it, you're an oddball Scn apologist. I don't expect that
you're going to say anything nice about the posters on this newsgroup, but it
does bother me that you're avoiding the issues....so let's try one on for
size.
How do you feel about Scientology the corporation being indicted for two
felony counts in the death of Lisa McPherson? And more to the point: do you
think that people are wrong to publicize this fact?
Deana Holmes
mir...@xmission.com
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Webcu
>
>
>Asa...@ix.netcom.com wrote in article
>> >
>> > Mandy "I am a racist gash" Sugarshorts, you are lamer and lamer. Try
>again.
>> >
>>
>> In case you missed it, cumstain, I am no racist. I love people of color.
>
>> Then again, I know of little thing like DIVERSITY, which, being a
>skinhead,
>> you would have no way of knowing.
>>
> If you're no racist why in another post you equate Mexican working class
>neighborhood with "high crime hole" ? Hmm why do true racists always start
>their statements with "I am no racist" ? Or say "Some of my best friends
>are black" .
>
Or how about "I love people of color"....jesus christ, being born black or
hispanic, or asian, or whatever automatically qualifies a person as being
worthy of your love and affection, Mandy-dear? Hmmm....it takes a bit more
than heritage to do it for me, sweetheart.
K.
Shy David
:-=Mike=- wrote:
:>
:> Infernos wrote in message <3681D8...@interlink.net>...
:
:> :Please keep your unwarranted slandering of masturbation off of
:> :alt.masturbation. Thank you and HAND.
:
:> Dear Infernos,
:> Thank you for your "perl of wisdim", but I'm sorry
:> I can not accept it, therefore you must return it to
:> your anus. I would like to point out that I have not
:> in anyway slandered the act of masturbation, or
:> caused offence to the wankers of alt.masturbation.
:> I can only suggest that you are the victim of a
:> brainless lame troll child whom I have upset and
:> left for dead.
:>
:> Kind regards,
:> -=Mike=-
:
:I am disappointed that you have responded to my kind request with such
:harsh words, and that furthermore you have failed to remove
:alt.masturbation from your list of crossposted groups. The fact that I
:cannot persue that group without running into self-righteous rants from
:ignorants such as yourself upsets me, and I suggest that you refrain from
:suggesting again that masturbating while composing a usenet message is a
:bad idea, regardless of the content of the message. Hopefully, we can
:exist on good terms beyond this.
:
:Best wishes,
:
:--
: * I * N * F * E * R * N * O * S *
:
:Founding Member of 'The Jet Set Crew'
: Best Flamers On Earth
: http://www.jet-set.org/
My dear Infernos,
How nice to hear from you again, I'm sorry that you found my
words harsh, however, I really can not understand why. Still, I
would like to point out that I am more then happy to remove
alt.masturbation, however, it would help greatly if you stopped
posting requests to do so. I believe it rude not to reply.
But you must remember that I did *not* post the original message
to you in the first place. The fact that you have responded to a
crosspost which I did not send is hardly my fault. I believed that by
informing you of this error, it would make you aware of the childish
behaviour of others and therefore ignore any future posts from
alt.flame.niggers. I can assure you that I will gladly comply to your
request, and shall not again reply to any of your future posts, and
I would also advise you that any postings which continue to contain
my name and are crossposted to alt.masturbation from
*this post onwards* is a forgery, or re-posted to you by someone else.
As for your suggestion that I refrain from remarks about
masturbating while composing a message, I will choose
to ignore that suggestion, on the grounds that I have the
right to free speech, and that it was not directed at anyone
from alt.masturbation, or indeed the act of masturbation.
It was directed at an unstable hypercritic closet queen troll,
here at alt.flame.niggers. Thank you for your attention.
Kind regards,
-=Mike=-
Webcu
<75omqf$lfu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <75im9p$84m$3...@nnrp01.iafrica.com>,
> "Knopgat" <jame...@iafrica.com.na> wrote:
>> >Is it possible that you have locked yourself into a war that you have
>> >absolutely ZERO chance of winning because of a -misunderstanding-, you
>> >incoherent little penis vein? Could you really be that unlucky? Man,
>> >that would really suck!
>>
>> War ? I have a better war waged against the weeds
>> in my garden.
>Post proof or retract.
>Personally, I think the weeds are making you
>look like a humorless, self-important,
>gullible dolt.
And I personally think that you are less than that !
>> >Another brilliant autoflame, Nimrod. Do it again!
>>
>> Read definition of alt.flame autoflame: "When encountering
>> a paragraph/statement that one has difficulty replying to
>> in an intelligent manner, just call reply with autoflame"
>Do you enjoy pouring napalm over yourself?
Nope you lame piece of shit, or is this another
'autoflame' ?
_______________________________________
Never trust a man, who when left alone in a room
with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on...
Bernie
>On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:46:21 GMT, ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie)
>wrote:
>
>>On 25 Dec 1998 04:49:38 GMT we...@aol.com (Webcu) wrote:
>>
>>>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>>>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>>>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
>>
>>The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
>
>Uh, no, Bernie. The posts were real ones, made to some
>nationalism.white NG. Then they were copied and married to real
>headers from this NG, creating the forgeries at that point.
That's what I meant.
>>hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
>>anti-scientologists.
>
>And I really have not seen anything close to that kind of stuff but
>directed at the Scenios. What makes you contend that there are "hate
>posts" about the Cof$? Evidence please?
I would think that I have quite a few examples on my webpage, but here
are a few more (which you will of course go out of your way arguing
that they are not hate):
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Message-ID: <75u8jg$7...@news1.newsguy.com>
The words "good" and "scientologist" are mutually exclusive.
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Message-ID: <j9bySIA9...@heavymetal.demon.co.uk>
I don't think it's a particular generalization to say scientologists
are crazy.
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Message-ID: <efiaho#$9GA.154@upnetnews03>
Scientologists are Crazy!!!!!!!!!!! Even if you are not a beliver of
Jesus. you wanna believe a third-raten sci-fi writer?
Go watch Star Trek...I only wish Bill Shatner was around to laugh at
your stupid ass...
L. Ron Hubbard....L. Ronning my cock...FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message-ID: <36323180...@news.navix.net>
Do you frequently voice loud opinions on subjects that you have no
real knowledge? Of course you do, you're a clam.
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Message-ID: <3608D728...@moon.inf.uji.es>
Subject: Re: Uh-Oh! Hurricane George headed for Florida
i hope God exactly punish Forth Harrison, Clearwater F.L. for
Lisa Death!!!
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Message-ID: <1998110702...@replay.com>
You are asking *us* what the matter is when you are on your knees
sucking the pucker of a dead man like an ant harvesting an aphid? How
droll!
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Message-ID: <3614a30a...@The.Fifth.Galactic.Invader.Force>
Scientology chicken shit anonymouc coward. Crime syndicate supporter
and fascistic swine.
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Message-ID: <361422C8...@uscom.com>
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough
wiper. I fart in your general direction. You mother was a hamster and
your father smelt of elderberries!
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Message-ID: <3663c728...@nntp.lightlink.com>
The best solution is to destroy the Scientology crime syndicate.
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Message-ID: <366aef87...@enews.newsguy.com>
All Al Capone needed was a policy manual done up as "scripture", a
wacky creation myth, and more lawyers. With that, we'd all (in the
US) be clapping and cheering a picture of Al, and probably sipping
ceremonial shots of whiskey with beer chasers. IMO, this would the
lesser of two evils, since Al was a better grade of criminal than
Elron or Poodle Boy. I guess if you drank enough, you could still die
of dehydration in Al's "church", though it would be more fun than
dying of dehydration in Elron'n'Poodle Boy's "church".
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Message-ID: <366BC0E5...@nope.com>
Someday they'll turn in upon themselves and tear their silly religion
apart. In the meantime, I think I'll enjoy mocking them. They make
wonderful targets for mockery.
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Message-ID: <6h6smm$7...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
Loser. Liar. Scientologist.
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Message-ID: <35366d1f...@205.232.34.12>
Conclusion: Wgert is an unethical scientologist (is there any ethical
scientologists?). Scientology does not hold PC-folders secret, and
scientology makes people into idiots.
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Message-ID: <3534E0D5...@hol.fr>
Also some good news: scienos seems to be hundred a one: they
declare 10 millions (why not billions or trillions, with alll their
BTs, ) so, why not call them hundreds... of goons or poor souls...
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Message-ID: <353a5057...@205.232.34.12>
Stand up as a real human being, instead of what you are now.
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:17:46 -0700
Anyone so completely devoid of humanity must be a true $cientologist.
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Message-ID: <353685c...@news.sk.sympatico.ca>
Liar, bully, coward, scientologist.
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Message-ID: <3537E4...@bc.cc.ca.us>
the woman was indeed "shot by a maniac," (IOW, another $cientologist)
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Message-ID: <199804172046...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
All in all I think it shows that CoS tends to attract sociopaths and
the mentally unstable, who may go on to do terrible things as in the
Godeika case in Portland.
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Message-ID: <3538e105...@205.232.34.12>
Is scientologists afraid of real feelings? Does scientologists fear
love and real affection?
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Message-ID: <3534E3...@aol.com>
This has got to be a troll. I have yet to meet a chemist who was
stupid enough to fall for the Co$ propaganda.
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Message-ID: <353bd9e1...@news.frii.com>
But don't get discouraged. Don't give up. Koos was once just like you
are today. Look at him now, a world famous net.kook of the first
order.
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Message-ID: <360c6fe4....@news.snafu.de>
I really wonder what's worse at the top of a state. An alcoholic or a
scientologist?
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>>There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
>>newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
>>a.r.s.
>
>Just keep singing this tune, Bernie. All will be made clear soon, and
>cult appologists like you will look evem more stupid that you already
>do.
Why? What's wrong with saying that there is no evidence that the
spamming is done by the CoS? This is never going to look stupid, Fast,
because that simply is a fact. Methink that those who look stupid are
the ones who affirm without evidences and are quick to jump to
conclusions.
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Bernie
>In article <36a5c0a9...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie) wrote:
>
>> The hate posts against Jews are forgeries made by anti-semites. The
>> hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
>> anti-scientologists.
>
>Bernie, dear:
>
>Telling the truth about the evils of Scientology is not hate.
I have nothing about telling the truth about anything, but I do see a
lot of hate around. I also doubt that "the truth" exists as such.
>Hopefully it's inoculating possible victims against this organized evil.
There are some who say that hate, mockery and a demonized picture of
the CoS is good because it keeps people away from it. I can't agree
with that, because that's just doing the same as what the cult is
accused of doing. As far as I am concerned, the means do not justify
the end.
>Whenever I get the notion inside my head that maybe Scn isn't so bad,
>something happens to prove me wrong. There've been a lot of scummy,
>despicable things to happen during the last 4 years, sorry to say.
There has been despicable things on both sides.
>> There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
>> newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
>> a.r.s.
>
>However, it is worth noting that a.r.s was subject to a sustained (2+ month)
>spam attack back in 1996 which definitely came from the cult (after all, they
>were spamming Big Wins and "What is Scientology" web page text), and the cult
>has in the past cancelled people's posts illegally--including my own.
There is no doubt that the spam attack back in 1996 was originated by
the CoS. I would be more cautious for this one. It may or may not be.
>And as others have pointed out, this current spam attack has gone on a long
>time, using a lot of accounts, and you know, the longer it goes on, the more
>likely it seems to me that this is a sustained attack on the newsgroup to
>make it unreadable. Indeed, I saw some stats which seemed to indicate that
>the spam was worse on days when TV shows were fixing to air, because the cult
>was going nuts over the possibility that somebody might hear something that
>would let him or her know that Scn isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
>
>Bernie, let's face it, you're an oddball Scn apologist.
That's only critics' superficial viewpoint. I do not agree with either
Scientology or the CoS. I even say that the tech is worthless from a
spiritual viewpoint. Huh - how's that for an "oddball Scn apologist"?
You critics make the mistake to think that because I point out to
critics' failings and potential abuses, it automatically means that I
am defending Scientology. It's an "if you are not for us, you are
against us" mentality - exactly the kind of things I am speaking
about.
>I don't expect that
>you're going to say anything nice about the posters on this newsgroup,
In fact I already said quite a few nice things about people such as
Rebecca, Diane, Barbara, Stephen Jones, Peter McDermott, Zed, Judith
Bradford, Keith Spurgeon, Damon Cheston and some others. So your
statement isn't quite correct. You will also hardly ever see me say
something bad against Martin Poulter or Chris Owens, for example,
because even though I disagree with them on many things, they usually
try to be factual, accurate and not spew hatred. Hell - I don't even
say nasty things about people just because they say that I am "daft",
if you see what I mean.
>but it does bother me that you're avoiding the issues....so let's try one on for
>size.
LOL. I am avoiding the issue? What I saw was people attacking me
through ad hominem, straw man, generalizations, and other niceties
rather than addressing the issue. Oh yeah - you didn't see that, of
course.
>How do you feel about Scientology the corporation being indicted for two
>felony counts in the death of Lisa McPherson?
I am waiting the outcome. Indictment is not what really matters. I
hope that justice will eventually be done, so I don't feel one way or
the other right now. If it can help avoiding such a tragedy in the
future, then I think that it's a Good Thing(tm).
>And more to the point: do you
>think that people are wrong to publicize this fact?
Of course not, nor did I ever say they were, that I know. However, I
wouldn't agree with the slogan "Scientology Kills", because that's
simply untrue and gives an extremely slanted, paranoid and hysterical
view of Scientology. As I said, I think that such an approach is
counter-productive on the long run.
Hope this answers your questions.
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Rob Clark
Note the words "Jewish collaboration" - as if to imply that because the poster
can recite or perhaps create 10 names, that millions of people of Jewish faith
were there as well. When the truth of course is quite different. Notice how the
poster fails to accuse the same of Christians who certainly outnumbered Jewish
people by at least 100 to 1. He doesn't say "Christian collaboration" when
certainly there was more Christian butchers - perhaps millions more - than
persons of the Jewish persuasion.
More lies, more propaganda. Like feed to the nazi sheeple who drink it up.
Naive, gullible cockroaches.
NoScieno
> On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:46:21 GMT, ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie)
> wrote:
>
> >On 25 Dec 1998 04:49:38 GMT we...@aol.com (Webcu) wrote:
> >
> >>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
> >>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
> >>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
> >
>
> nationalism.white NG. Then they were copied and married to real
> headers from this NG, creating the forgeries at that point.
This is correct. A DejaNews search on a suitable unique text string from
a particular forgery will invariably pull up the original posting, which
sometimes predates the forgery by a matter of mere days or hours. Often
a particulary inflammatory posting is reused several times.
> >hate posts against Scientologists are real posts made by
> >anti-scientologists.
>
> And I really have not seen anything close to that kind of stuff but
> directed at the Scenios. What makes you contend that there are "hate
> posts" about the Cof$? Evidence please?
To Bernie, anything with the word "clam" in it qualifies as a "hate
post.".
> >There is no evidence that the spamming is done by the CoS, since other
> >newsgroups are spammed likewise, and some were spammed long before
> >a.r.s.
>
> Just keep singing this tune, Bernie. All will be made clear soon, and
> cult appologists like you will look evem more stupid that you already
> do.
Oh, haven't you heard? Bernie is a critic now. Er, well maybe just an
"Anti-Cult Hobbyist," whatever that is (perhaps we should just say
"copyright terrorist?" http://uc2.unicall.be/bernie/Scientol.gif
http://uc2.unicall.be/bernie/worlds_small.jpg ). Why just the other day
he complained that a doctored picture on "ARS Bigot Russ Shaw's" website
was a little over the top.
"OSA people: at least remove this "love machine" bit thing. This
is absolutely ridiculous and *completely* irrelevant - not to say
disgustingly sexist.
"What a waste. When I think that there are *SO* many valid
"criticisms to be made against critics."
Bite me Bernie. You claim you were once much more outspoken against the
CrImInAl CuLt, but I was around when you were here before.
> - Fast
>
>
DoktorNosy
--
NoScieno accepts NoMail (spam block) Try "Thynkr"(same.isp)
Jukka Tapani Santala
: And then there is the "test.board" automatic replies probably also set in
: motion by our friends. Which means you may get a e-mail response to
: "your" test message calling one Berry Bowusma(sp) a pedophile, etc.
I'm holding judgement on the Nazi-flood issue. There would seem to be
indications both ways; somebody mentioned some letter got from spamming
account, but this could have been attempt to indict Scientology of the
flood by a number of parties. Certainly whoever is doing it seems to be
sparing no expenses, and wasting a lot of time.
I had also the weirdest
thing happen to me; one of the forgeries in my name wasn't sent thru an
NNTP server, but an anonymous remailer. And the content seemed to be a
"sanitized" version of some spam on the Nazi-groups, with all nazi-
references etc. removed. This, to me, seems to indicate the action is,
at least in part, carried out by a number of people "briefed" on what to
do, but somebody going out-tech.
It has certain Scientology-style "stamp"
of authoritarianism on it, imho, in that this weird remailer-forgery
appeared in practically same spew of other forgeries of me by the usual
NNTP method, and the general approach seems very orderly and coordinated.
New spam-accounts are ready at disposal and activated as soon as the old
ones are closed, it seems, with a few strange exceptions methodology seems
the exact same.
Then there's the issue of which group is being most hurt by the attack.
Some people have posted statistics indicating ARS is worst hit by this,
but the neo-nazi groups say they were attacked first, and are still at
the apex of the attack. Still, from general viewpoint, spreading out
neo-Nazi messages by the hundred to unrelated and very high-visibility
groups like ARS doesn't sound like a very bright move for people objecting
that sort of stuff. This would seem to indict either Scientologists, or
some faction inside the neo-Nazis itself.
Be it as it may, it's _greatly_ playing into the Scientologist's bag.
Especially on CoS pulic's largest hive, AOL, whose news-system supports
neither cancels nor filtering, the forgery-spew which on most of the
free Internet gets cancelled within hour is _very_ effective. One could
assume that since even the effective cancellations and filtering
programs etc. haven't convinced the forgers to change their distinctive
patterns which make it so easy to cancel, the goal is actually either to
flood AOL, or indict an uninvolved party.
Scientology
+ Can afford the money and manpower
+ Method of deployment suits their authoritarian style
+ Attack, never defend
+ Proves it's critics bigots and hides discussion
+ Protects it's public on AOL from learning the truth
- Will be blamed on Scientology due to their prior conduct
Neo-nazi organizations
+ Can afford, if not the money, at least the manpower
+ Could be part of battle between internal factions
+ Spreading pro-nazi sentiments etc. to nonrelated groups
- Could potentially harm reputation in excess of current reputation
- Neo-nazis would be unlikely to "sanitize" forgeries like one of mine was
The Jewish conspiracy
+ Can afford both money and manpower, if we're to believe...
+ Anecdotes about such plans
+ Would discredit "conservative neo-nazis" and "anti-religious bigots"
+ Make carrying "hate-groups" cost ISP's a couple of pennies more
- Wider dissemination of neo-nazi views, to high-visibility groups and names
- Most of the world doesn't believe in the Jewish conspiracy, anyway
- Could _really_ hurt their reputation as one of the oldest and most
secret conspiracies of all time if found out
The Kook Kabal
+ Certainly would be kookish enough
+ Very effective way of destroying the Usenet as we know it
+ Implicates various other parties, leaving the Kook Kabal scott free
- Kook Kabal probably not rich and large enough to pull it off
- Kook Kabal probably not authoritarian enough to manage it effectively
Any party, or reasoning I forgot?
Has the jury reached it's verdict? Yes, we find Scientology ______.
That having been said, I find the alt.test spew is more than likely a
Kook Kabal move (Or independent troublemaker) possibly trying to ride
on the current cancel-spew. It has all the hallmarks of a Kook Kabal
move, from specific technical gigs (Cancels, knowing alt.test autoreplies)
to implicating a number of Usenet "bigwigs" in the forged headers.
-Donwulff
bar...@my-dejanews.com
ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie) wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:56:20 GMT mir...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >In article <36a5c0a9...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> > ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie) wrote:
> >
> >> anti-scientologists.
> >
> >
> >Telling the truth about the evils of Scientology is not hate.
>
> I have nothing about telling the truth about anything, but I do see a
> lot of hate around.
You seee large hate when you look at a mirror after you murder helpless cats,
you sadistic kittyright terrorist.
--
A héját nyitó kagyló az, amelyet eszik a gólya.
Bernie
>To Bernie, anything with the word "clam" in it qualifies as a "hate
>post.".
That's not quite true, but it often is a conductor for hate indeed.
>Oh, haven't you heard? Bernie is a critic now. Er, well maybe just an
>"Anti-Cult Hobbyist," whatever that is (perhaps we should just say
>"copyright terrorist?" http://uc2.unicall.be/bernie/Scientol.gif
>http://uc2.unicall.be/bernie/worlds_small.jpg ).
I want my 'ho letter!
>Why just the other day
>he complained that a doctored picture on "ARS Bigot Russ Shaw's" website
>was a little over the top.
>
> "OSA people: at least remove this "love machine" bit thing. This
> is absolutely ridiculous and *completely* irrelevant - not to say
> disgustingly sexist.
>
> "What a waste. When I think that there are *SO* many valid
> "criticisms to be made against critics."
>
>Bite me Bernie.
Gnap!
>You claim you were once much more outspoken against the
>CrImInAl CuLt, but I was around when you were here before.
I don't think so. I was around in early 1996. Were you? In this case
you may fetch some of my discusions with Zed, Heidrun Beer (then known
as Clear Baby), xot, or Rex Baxterfield, for example. And for the
record, I have been a critic since 1980 - that's something like 15
years before a.r.s., and I have helped about 90% of my friends to come
out from the CoS. Lucky that ars didn't exist back then. My current
opinion of ars is that it reinforces current members' motivation to
stay in the CoS, and weakens the motivation of reasonable ex-members
to speak against it.
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Mike O'Connor
<e75...@ankkuri.uwasa.fi> wrote:
[...]
> Scientology
> + Can afford the money and manpower
> + Method of deployment suits their authoritarian style
> + Attack, never defend
> + Proves it's critics bigots and hides discussion
> + Protects it's public on AOL from learning the truth
> - Will be blamed on Scientology due to their prior conduct
[...]
I believe the spam is dictated by their sacred scripture. Religion is a
powerful motivator. The cult's scripture instructs that if a hostile
society or philosophy can not be brought in line with Scientology by lying
to control it, then the lower-level technique of overwhelming it is to be
used. If the hostiles use a newsgroup as its conduit, then spam is what
must be used to overwhelm it. Lies haven't worked. Spam is the only
alternative, according to scripture.
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
The goal of the [Scientology] department [of governmental affairs in its
OSA] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into
a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is
done by a high level ability to control and in its absence by a low level
ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that
down in your book in great big letters.
-- L. Ron Hubbard
Technique 88
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE - TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To
train the student to outflow false data effectively.
-- [Cult document siezed in FBI raid]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The cult is absolutely stupid. They know that being straightforward in
your covert operations can get you caught. We've seen many documents from
the cult showing how hard they work at beaing sneaky; how they isolate
themselves from the assigned perpetrators, buffer themselves from the
dirty-workers; consult the most expensive lawyers in the country to make
sure they are skirting just inside the very outermost limits of the law
when possible; use internal operatives rather than outside agencies;
infiltrate governments and organizations, and so forth.
If the cult is going to save the planet, alt.religion.scientology must be
spammed. If they aren't doing it, they are not doing their sacred duty.
But they aren't lazy and aren't sleeping. They are not a turn the other
cheek kind of religion. These people have signed billion year contracts to
serve the cult. Billion. Year. Contracts.
--
Mike O'Connor - lep...@panix.com
<http://www.panix.com/~lepton/>
Mike O'Connor
lep...@panix.com (Mike O'Connor) wrote:
> The cult is absolutely stupid.
That's my editing error. What I meant to say is the cult is absolutely NOT
stupid. Sorry!
bar...@my-dejanews.com
ma...@bernie.us-inc.com (Bernie) wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 05:26:57 -0600 nosc...@aol.com (NoScieno) wrote:
>
> >To Bernie, anything with the word "clam" in it qualifies as a "hate
> >post.".
>
> That's not quite true, but it often is a conductor for hate indeed.
I have eaten fried clams in summer. This conductor is for hatred? You are
truly crazy kittyright terrorist.
jukka_tapani_santala
>you are talking about "living with themselves"?
>most likely you are "jew" asshole, not capable to live in Israel with his own
>people.
Most likely you are a dipshit, incapable of putting two sentences together. Let
me get it straight - if I don't agree with dogshit National socialism "I'm a
Jew who wants to kill Christians and mix races"?
Keith Henson
: In article <762lha$efk$1...@verkko.uwasa.fi>, Jukka Tapani Santala
: <e75...@ankkuri.uwasa.fi> wrote:
: [...]
: > Scientology
: > + Can afford the money and manpower
: > + Method of deployment suits their authoritarian style
: > + Attack, never defend
: > + Proves it's critics bigots and hides discussion
: > + Protects it's public on AOL from learning the truth
: > - Will be blamed on Scientology due to their prior conduct
: [...]
: I believe the spam is dictated by their sacred scripture. Religion is a
: powerful motivator. The cult's scripture instructs that if a hostile
: society or philosophy can not be brought in line with Scientology by lying
: to control it, then the lower-level technique of overwhelming it is to be
: used. If the hostiles use a newsgroup as its conduit, then spam is what
: must be used to overwhelm it. Lies haven't worked. Spam is the only
: alternative, according to scripture.
Problem is that the forged spam *is* a denial of service attack, an attack
on national computer infrastructure, theft of identity, fraud on the ISPs,
and because it involves communications, the concern of the national
authorities. The economic losses are up in the range where they have to
act.
Chances are that the folks doing it have had to leave tracks all over in
the form of checks, credit cards, phone numbers and such. And it does
not look like they will quit before being caught.
This has the flavor of the last time the cult got raided by the FBI.
Keith Henson
: ++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
: The goal of the [Scientology] department [of governmental affairs in its
: OSA] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into
: a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is
: done by a high level ability to control and in its absence by a low level
: ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies.
: -- L. Ron Hubbard
: ++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
: THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that
: down in your book in great big letters.
: -- L. Ron Hubbard
: Technique 88
: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE - TR L
: Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To
: train the student to outflow false data effectively.
: -- [Cult document siezed in FBI raid]
: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: The cult is absolutely stupid. They know that being straightforward in
: your covert operations can get you caught. We've seen many documents from
: the cult showing how hard they work at beaing sneaky; how they isolate
: themselves from the assigned perpetrators, buffer themselves from the
: dirty-workers; consult the most expensive lawyers in the country to make
: sure they are skirting just inside the very outermost limits of the law
: when possible; use internal operatives rather than outside agencies;
: infiltrate governments and organizations, and so forth.
: If the cult is going to save the planet, alt.religion.scientology must be
: spammed. If they aren't doing it, they are not doing their sacred duty.
: But they aren't lazy and aren't sleeping. They are not a turn the other
: cheek kind of religion. These people have signed billion year contracts to
: serve the cult. Billion. Year. Contracts.
: --
Jukka Tapani Santala
>and Unwashed, as well.
>
>Ladies, grow your hair out if you want to be DamNation or TWO material.
Oh let me, let me! And will you pick out all my clothing, too? And decide
who I can hang with? And....
K.
Rob Clark
William Barwell
*********************** DELETED *********************
>
>Then there's the issue of which group is being most hurt by the attack.
>Some people have posted statistics indicating ARS is worst hit by this,
>but the neo-nazi groups say they were attacked first, and are still at
>the apex of the attack. Still, from general viewpoint, spreading out
>neo-Nazi messages by the hundred to unrelated and very high-visibility
>groups like ARS doesn't sound like a very bright move for people objecting
>that sort of stuff. This would seem to indict either Scientologists, or
>some faction inside the neo-Nazis itself.
>
between ARS and the various neo-nazis on the white power newsgroups.
And hoped to drag alt.slack into this also just to keep the heat level
high. Also because a large number of ARS regulars are SGs.
Toss Mormons in the mix for cover and more flames.
Unfortunately, most alt.slack amd alt.religion.scientology regulars
are old hands at this sort of provocation and it didn't materialize
as hoped for.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Bernie
>In article <36a3fea7....@enews.newsguy.com>,
>Bernie <ma...@bernie.us-inc.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 05:26:57 -0600 nosc...@aol.com (NoScieno) wrote:
>[...]
>>>
>>>Bite me Bernie.
>>
>>Gnap!
>
><guffaw!> Bernie, you must have an overbite!
>
>--Barbara, lover of onomatopoeia
It's the first time I taste a critic :-)
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Arbe
> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:12:45 -0500, "AndroidCat"
<andro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Webcu wrote in message <19981224234938...@ng135.aol.com>...
> >>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
> >>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones.
> >Would
> >>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of
> >slow.
>
> >It's mix'n'match spam attack (take posters from this newsgroup, attach
> >choice bits of neo-nazi slime messages from other newsgroups, post here),
> >most likely done by the Corporation of Scientology. (The attack has used
> >too much finical resources to be a net-kook attack--although they make an
> >occasional effort.)
>
> This morning I did the math, at least on the Internet Service Providers that
> I could track down (a few of the ISPs the OSA used have vanished from the
> 'net). Of the abused ISPs that have pricing on their WWW site, the average
> set-up fee was US$14 and the average monthly fee was US$28. At 63
> providers this is only US$2,646 (assuming averages extend to the data
> I cannot aquire).
>
> For those who nay-say the opinion that the OSA/crime syndicate is behind
> the forged articles: who would go to the trouble of aquiring over 60 ISPs
> for internet access just to silence alt.religion.scientology, spending the
> time and money, and risking going to prison or a stiff fine? The people
> posting the forgeries are easily identified, given a willing ISP who does
> not want the negative publicity of being used so vile.
>
> I've looked over the forgeries and I've extracted the distribution list from
> each: alt.religion.scientology outnumbers the other newsgroups by at
> least one order of magnitude, and in most cases by two.
>
> >This a "church" in action...
>
> Only if the Mafia can be considered a "church."
>
========
Great work - forward some of that info to Henson -etc
But don't most of the providers have a 3-month or so minimum sign up ?
And then many of those may have been set up months ago just waiting for
the "big- event "
I'm sure some of the historical data would be of intrest to the authorities.
And maybe you might want to send copies of uour data to the various providers ..
The ARSCC(wdne) Anti-Spam committee has decided to award you the Hormel
cluster with embedded gold foot-bullet ( if you look close, you will find
and engraved likeness of (*) saying " who-me ? - uh-uh-uh "
=========
--
<* ARBE -- SP2 --
<* Spammers and Forgers Note I am a Resident of Washington State
<* Damages limited to what you paid me for my opinion
Webcu
news:29151-36...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
:Keegan was flaming me, you fuckhead
your obsession is showing
AndroidCat
>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones.
Would
>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of
slow.
It's mix'n'match spam attack (take posters from this newsgroup, attach
choice bits of neo-nazi slime messages from other newsgroups, post here),
most likely done by the Corporation of Scientology. (The attack has used
too much finical resources to be a net-kook attack--although they make an
occasional effort.)
This a "church" in action...
/\<.
Shy David
This morning I did the math, at least on the Internet Service Providers that
I could track down (a few of the ISPs the OSA used have vanished from the
'net). Of the abused ISPs that have pricing on their WWW site, the average
set-up fee was US$14 and the average monthly fee was US$28. At 63
providers this is only US$2,646 (assuming averages extend to the data
I cannot aquire).
For those who nay-say the opinion that the OSA/crime syndicate is behind
the forged articles: who would go to the trouble of aquiring over 60 ISPs
for internet access just to silence alt.religion.scientology, spending the
time and money, and risking going to prison or a stiff fine? The people
posting the forgeries are easily identified, given a willing ISP who does
not want the negative publicity of being used so vile.
I've looked over the forgeries and I've extracted the distribution list from
each: alt.religion.scientology outnumbers the other newsgroups by at
least one order of magnitude, and in most cases by two.
>This a "church" in action...
Only if the Mafia can be considered a "church."
>/\<.
---
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The Truth About Scientology: http://www.airspeed.com/~shydavid/cos.htm
The Truth About Creationism: http://holysmoke.org/icr-cult.htm
LYING IS SCIENTOLOGY'S ONLY SACREMENT
Keith Henson
: On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:12:45 -0500, "AndroidCat" <andro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >Webcu wrote in message <19981224234938...@ng135.aol.com>...
: >>Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
: >>comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones.
: >Would
: >>someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of
: >slow.
: >It's mix'n'match spam attack (take posters from this newsgroup, attach
: >choice bits of neo-nazi slime messages from other newsgroups, post here),
: >most likely done by the Corporation of Scientology. (The attack has used
: >too much finical resources to be a net-kook attack--although they make an
: >occasional effort.)
: This morning I did the math, at least on the Internet Service Providers that
: I could track down (a few of the ISPs the OSA used have vanished from the
: 'net). Of the abused ISPs that have pricing on their WWW site, the average
: set-up fee was US$14 and the average monthly fee was US$28. At 63
: providers this is only US$2,646 (assuming averages extend to the data
: I cannot aquire).
Minor addition. They aquired multiple accounts on most if not all the
ISPs, in some cases half a dozen or more, so the total might well be 5
times this high.
: For those who nay-say the opinion that the OSA/crime syndicate is behind
: the forged articles: who would go to the trouble of aquiring over 60 ISPs
: for internet access just to silence alt.religion.scientology, spending the
: time and money, and risking going to prison or a stiff fine? The people
: posting the forgeries are easily identified, given a willing ISP who does
: not want the negative publicity of being used so vile.
Several are talking to certain government agents. It is amazing how much
attention they pay when you uses the words "attack on national computer
infrastructure."
: I've looked over the forgeries and I've extracted the distribution list from
: each: alt.religion.scientology outnumbers the other newsgroups by at
: least one order of magnitude, and in most cases by two.
: >This a "church" in action...
: Only if the Mafia can be considered a "church."
Next week . . . Keith Henson
Flood Control
> >: Actually, I'm more partial to Victoria's Secret, when I've the money to>:
> splurge, and a plain old run-of-the-mill sports bra when I don't.
>
> i find a nice leopard print bra works well regardless. =D -kim
awwww.. come on girls, your killing me! ;-)
cheers,
Rob
--
Robert W. Hodge
occu...@elnet.com
main page : www.elnet.com/~drealbob/rw
Anti-button page : www.elnet.com/~drealbob/rw/antibutton
-The Skinhead Travel Guide- : www.elnet.com/~drealbob/rw/stg
the travel guide is new, and needs help, right now.
Roland
>
> Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
> comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
> someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of slow.
Yes you are! a.r.s. is under spam attack. This comes from the Co$
itself. They crop peoples headers and trawl usenet for hate articles
and put the two together. They are trying to create the impression
that the posters here are religious and racial bigots. They are using
a pice of software called "hipcrime" to do this as well as spending
a lot of time, effort and money to achieve their ends. If you read a
spammed newsgroup such as a.r.s. then you need to use spam filtering
software to do so. If you have Windows95 then I recommend the FREE
nfilter (most advanced release) whic you can get via the link
http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/xemu/nfilter.html
Usenet is a minefield. If you spot something crazy then ASK the
newsgroup what is going on. Don't shoot you mouth off or you will
just look a fool.
Welcome to the most spammed newsgroup in the world. I am proud to
post here. If the Co$ are trying so hard to get rid of this newsgroup
then it must be a good idea to read it and post here. Maybe we will
see a few more posts from you, and maybe a picket report or two. :o)
Roland
Shy David
wrote:
>Webcu wrote:
>>
>> Is this an Anti Scn discussion group or Neo Nazi group? There are as many
>> comments regarding Jews and Nazi things as there are Scn related ones. Would
>> someone among you intellectual giants care to enlighten me. I am king of
>> slow.
Usually when someone writes or says "I am king of slow," I take them at their
word.
>Yes you are! a.r.s. is under spam attack. This comes from the Co$
>itself.
Exactly. I feel somewhat vindicated now that there is conclusive evidence
that the previous attack and the current attack are comming ftom the same
group of four or five people: the forgeries comming from icubed.com
(is anyone working on this?!) link the two attacks---
Subject: Pierre, Our Scientologist Nuclear Engineer, Makes News
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:57:12
Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User
Lines: 64
Message-ID: <28129804...@pooka.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: pgh0148.icubed.com
Jkgsu aew uwmpuxl xps
smm ope yuuye rkqu lmjyn exrs
nund iloeu maf ddirq rhu
ekf jetl meol flpud ymbee ovyql
ctmw yeaix yeo ill euil eex
kewlor mxip azvrj bg
Same double-spaces in the Subject: line. Same format for the Message-ID:
line. Same article bodies.
>They crop peoples headers and trawl usenet for hate articles
>and put the two together. They are trying to create the impression
>that the posters here are religious and racial bigots. They are using
>a pice of software called "hipcrime" to do this as well as spending
>a lot of time, effort and money to achieve their ends. If you read a
>spammed newsgroup such as a.r.s. then you need to use spam filtering
>software to do so. If you have Windows95 then I recommend the FREE
>nfilter (most advanced release) whic you can get via the link
>http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/xemu/nfilter.html
>
>Usenet is a minefield. If you spot something crazy then ASK the
>newsgroup what is going on. Don't shoot you mouth off or you will
>just look a fool.
Good Goddess how I wish 99% of folks in USENET would do so! :-)
>Welcome to the most spammed newsgroup in the world. I am proud to
>post here. If the Co$ are trying so hard to get rid of this newsgroup
>then it must be a good idea to read it and post here. Maybe we will
>see a few more posts from you, and maybe a picket report or two. :o)
Most spammed X10 then the next leading brand. (Wry grin)
>Roland
Steve Zadarnowski
>I don't think so. I was around in early 1996. Were you? In this case
>you may fetch some of my discusions with Zed, Heidrun Beer (then known
>as Clear Baby), xot, or Rex Baxterfield, for example. And for the
>record, I have been a critic since 1980 - that's something like 15
>years before a.r.s., and I have helped about 90% of my friends to come
>out from the CoS. Lucky that ars didn't exist back then. My current
>opinion of ars is that it reinforces current members' motivation to
>stay in the CoS, and weakens the motivation of reasonable ex-members
>to speak against it.
>
>Bernie
>http://welcome.to/ars
I disagree. ARS is a global information centre, and I really
doubt that many Scienos would see it. I would agree that friends
can help friends to exit the cult. Criticism has always existed
from the day that Hubbard had Dianetics printed, but now
instead of just being governments and professionals, the rest
of the population can have a go!
S
Bernie
wrote:
>I've looked over the forgeries and I've extracted the distribution list from
>each: alt.religion.scientology outnumbers the other newsgroups by at
>least one order of magnitude, and in most cases by two.
I have observed that the forged posts follow the normal posting
pattern, i.e. those posting more will have more forged posts. Is it
possible that the spammer just have an automatic "distribution" system
for the spam based on actual posts made? The number of forged posts
should be correlated with the number of non forged posts in each
newsgroup to see if there is a relation.
Bernie
http://welcome.to/ars
Steve Zadarnowski
Smiley796 <smil...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981226021229...@ng53.aol.com>...
> You skinhead racist losers.
>
That from someone who thinks wrestling is real . The only racists I've
seen all claim to be TWO IQ and Dimwitnation . You're right you won the
moron of the week .
AndroidCat
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Arbe
> >
> > Mandy "I am a racist gash" Sugarshorts, you are lamer and lamer. Try
again.
> >
>
> In case you missed it, cumstain, I am no racist. I love people of color.
> Then again, I know of little thing like DIVERSITY, which, being a
skinhead,
> you would have no way of knowing.
>
If you're no racist why in another post you equate Mexican working class
neighborhood with "high crime hole" ? Hmm why do true racists always start
their statements with "I am no racist" ? Or say "Some of my best friends
are black" .
Nick Andrew
>I have observed that the forged posts follow the normal posting
>pattern, i.e. those posting more will have more forged posts. Is it
>possible that the spammer just have an automatic "distribution" system
>for the spam based on actual posts made?
It looks like the forgeries are done by taking an existing article
(From and Subject headers) and then replacing the text with some
random racist shit, so yes, the frequency of forgery for a given
poster is proportional to the frequency that poster writes real
articles in a.r.s.
Nick.
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Rob Clark
wrote:
>It could be the cult hoped by doing this to start a huge flame war
>between ARS and the various neo-nazis on the white power newsgroups.
>And hoped to drag alt.slack into this also just to keep the heat level
>high. Also because a large number of ARS regulars are SGs.
>Toss Mormons in the mix for cover and more flames.
nazis are stupid. it would be impossible to get into a flamewar with a nazi.
believe me, i have tried. all you really get is a pathetic ass-whipping until
the nazi crawls off defeated. rather like scientology's shills, who hardly
count as creditable opponents so much as fun little weebles you smack to watch
them wobble.
>Unfortunately, most alt.slack amd alt.religion.scientology regulars
>are old hands at this sort of provocation and it didn't materialize
>as hoped for.
i suppose if it ever started and the nazis started getting all riled up and
provoked to violence and so on, we could invite them to come kick our ass. .
.somewhere on wilshire boulevard.
rob