Rep. Ron Paul needs a lot of support against the rotten psychiatric world
Barbara Schwarz
allowed to make that decision? The victims in the psychiatric world
are very much so the children, no doubt.
Barbara Schwarz
Forced mental screening hits roadblock in House
Rep. Ron Paul seeks to yank program, decries use of drugs on children
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Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, plans to offer an amendment in the House of
Representatives today that would remove from an appropriations bill a
new
mandatory mental-health screening program for America's children.
"The American tradition of parents deciding what is best for their
children
is, yet again, under attack," writes Kent Snyder of the Paul-founded
Liberty
Committee. "The pharmaceutical industry has convinced President Bush
to
support mandatory mental-health screening for every child in America,
including preschool children, and the industry is now working to
convince
Congress as well."
<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39078> As
WorldNetDaily reported, the New Freedom Initiative recommends
screening not
only for children but eventually for every American. The initiative
came out
of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which President Bush
established in 2002.
Critics of the plan say it is a thinly veiled attempt by drug
companies to
provide a wider market for high-priced antidepressants and
antipsychotic
medication, and puts government in areas of Americans' lives where it
does
not belong.
Writes Snyder: "The real payoff for the drug companies is the forced
drugging of children that will result - as we learned tragically with
Ritalin - even when parents refuse."
Paul's amendment to the Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act
for
Fiscal Year 2005 would take the new program out of the funding bill.
The congressman, who is known for his strict adherence to the
Constitution,
wrote in a letter to his colleagues: "As you know, psychotropic drugs
are
increasingly prescribed for children who show nothing more than
children's
typical rambunctious behavior. Many children have suffered harmful
effects
from these drugs. Yet some parents have even been charged with child
abuse
for refusing to drug their children. The federal government should not
promote national mental-health screening programs that will force the
use of
these psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin."
The New Freedom Commission found that "despite their prevalence,
mental
disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive
mental-health
screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.
The commission said, "Each year, young children are expelled from
preschools
and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and
emotional
disorders."
Schools, the panel concluded, are in a "key position" to screen the 52
million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.
The state of Illinois has already approved its own mental-health
screening
program, the Children's Mental Health Act of 2003, which will provide
screening for "all children ages 0-18" and "ensure appropriate and
culturally relevant assessment of your children's social and emotional
development with the use of standardized tools."
Members of the Illinois Children's Mental Health Partnership have held
several public hearings on the program in recent months, hearing from
parents and others who oppose the mandatory screening.
Karen R. Effrem, M.D., is a physician and leading opponent of
mandatory
screening. She is on the board of directors of
<http://www.edwatch.org/>
EdWatch, an organization that actively opposes federal control of
education.
"I am concerned, especially in the schools, that mental health could
be used
as a wedge for diagnosis based on attitudes, values, beliefs and
political
stances - things like perceived homophobia," Effrem told
WorldNetDaily.
"There are several violence-prevention programs that do say if a
person is
homophobic, they could be considered potentially violent."
Continued Effrem: "This mental-health program could be used as an
enforcement tool to impose a very politically correct, anti-American
curriculum."
Effrem emphasized the new program has no guarantees of parental
rights,
noting some children have died because parents were coerced to put
their
kids on psychiatric medications.
Snyder says the following groups have come out in opposition to the
screening program: Eagle Forum, Gun Owners of America, the Association
of
American Physicians and Surgeons, Concerned Women of America, Freedom
21,
the Alliance for Human Research Protection, and the International
Center for
the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology.
A screening program in Paul's home state began nearly ten years ago.
The
Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the New
Freedom
Commission as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an
evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."
The TMAP - started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the
pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas and the mental health
and
corrections systems of Texas - also was praised by the American
Psychiatric
Association, which called for increased funding to implement the
overall
plan.
But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania
government
employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had
received
money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.
Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector
General
says in his <http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf>
whistleblower report the "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that
developed
the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive
antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, was behind the
recommendations of
the New Freedom Commission, which were "poised to consolidate the TMAP
effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness
with
expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly
side
effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab."
Jones points out, according to a British Medical Journal report,
companies
that helped start the Texas project are major contributors to Bush's
re-election. Also, some members of the New Freedom Commission have
served on
advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct
ties to
TMAP.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40365
Dicktop_Stud
> Adults can stop taking a destructive drug, but how many kids are
> allowed to make that decision? The victims in the psychiatric world
> are very much so the children, no doubt.
This is your response to the 5 years you were locked up in a
psychiatric hospital for the insane and forced to take anti-psychotic
medication so you wouldn't hurt yourself and children??
Sad.
realpch
You've said this before Gary, but it doesn't appear to be in Barbara's
lengthy series about her life. She does mention a couple of relatively
short stays in hospitals, but nothing like five years. There was the
incident in Germany, and then the two times on the East Coast, I think.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
Scarff knows the facts, Peach, but he is twisting them deliberately
around to defame me.
The German psychs incarcerated me 8 months in Munich in order to
"deprogram" (depersonalize) me from SCN. It was horrible in there, and
I indeed described that in my series Barbara Schwarz reveals shocking
news that FAXHOR recently re-posted. RB who first worked with the
p$ychs together says now that it was a deprivation of my liberty, a
wrongful incarceration.
The two events on the East Coast were just about a few weeks, and
those were set ups eithers.
I don't have to defend my mental health before anybody. But for the
records, somebody anonymous lied to Utah psychs about me and they sent
respresentatives to my door in 2001. If I would been even remotely
nuts, they would have taken me with them. I saw a lot if governmental
officials afterwards, and they came to the conclusion that I should
have been not bothered by the psychs, in other words, are just fine,
which we can of course and unfortunately not say about Garry Scarff.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
Thanks for clearing this up Barbara. I thought possibly Gary had
incorrect information.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
Incorrect information? Lol. He knows the truth. What he is doing is
called outrageous lying. Did you read that posting where he asked Dave
Rice aka Bob McKenzie to hit heavy books over my head?
You are in California too, Peach. What are the odds that this happened
during an earthquake to Scarff and flattened his brain into a plate
and squeezed his mind in another universe?
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
I don't live inside Gary's head and I don't have any idea of what goes
on in there. I have been known to skip over some posts on this
newsgroup. I also don't know who Bob McKenzie is, but it's not too
likely he's David Rice. Sounds about a decade or two younger than David.
Peach
Still_lying_about_Marty
LOL. Now, you're lending credibility to her wacky life stories. While
you're at it, why not shed some light on the secret underwater
submarine base and her being born in a non-existent Utah city?
Still_lying_about_Marty
> realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414433EE...@aol.com>...
> > Dicktop_Stud wrote:
> > >
> > > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04091...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > > Adults can stop taking a destructive drug, but how many kids are
> > > > allowed to make that decision? The victims in the psychiatric world
> > > > are very much so the children, no doubt.
> > >
> > > This is your response to the 5 years you were locked up in a
> > > psychiatric hospital for the insane and forced to take anti-psychotic
> > > medication so you wouldn't hurt yourself and children??
> > >
> > > Sad.
> >
> > You've said this before Gary, but it doesn't appear to be in Barbara's
> > lengthy series about her life. She does mention a couple of relatively
> > short stays in hospitals, but nothing like five years. There was the
> > incident in Germany, and then the two times on the East Coast, I think.
> >
> > Peach
>
> Scarff knows the facts, Peach, but he is twisting them deliberately
> around to defame me.
You defame yourself, psychotic one, and I have only touched on one
incident. Why not tell us why your beloved niece no longer wants to
have anything to do with you and threatened to have you arrested if
you contacted her?
>
> The German psychs incarcerated me 8 months in Munich in order to
> "deprogram" (depersonalize) me from SCN. It was horrible in there, and
> I indeed described that in my series Barbara Schwarz reveals shocking
> news that FAXHOR recently re-posted. RB who first worked with the
> p$ychs together says now that it was a deprivation of my liberty, a
> wrongful incarceration.
Yeah, I know the feeling, Boobara. The Wicked Witch wouldn't let me go
back to Kansas until I surrendered my ruby red slippers...ohh, oops,
that was my sister Dorothy.
>
> The two events on the East Coast were just about a few weeks, and
> those were set ups eithers.
What kind of psychotropic drugs were you on when you imagined this?
>
> I don't have to defend my mental health before anybody. But for the
> records, somebody anonymous lied to Utah psychs about me and they sent
> respresentatives to my door in 2001. If I would been even remotely
> nuts, they would have taken me with them. I saw a lot if governmental
> officials afterwards, and they came to the conclusion that I should
> have been not bothered by the psychs, in other words, are just fine,
> which we can of course and unfortunately not say about Garry Scarff.
LOL. I don't hold a candle to your history of melodrama, delusions,
psychotic illness, lies, and criminal arrests, stupid.
Barbara Schwarz
Be glad to not live in Garry Scarff's head. Nothing than lawless
perversion and mindcontrolled thoughts under that skull.
I am sure that Bob McKenzie is Dave Rice. He plays the younger man,
but just wait a bit, he will sound soon like an old bull again when it
takes too much attention to keep the the young rotten troll version of
him up.
You posted in the other thread that you consider my postings "loud".
They are not loud, my postings are just energetic. See the difference?
Barbara Schwarz
Dicktop_Stud
LOL. Fortunately, I have yet to experience a major earthquake in La-La Land
realpch
Ya think? Seems to me that Barbara never intentionally lies about
things. To be sure, her interpretations of events may differ from
others. She may remember an event somewhat inaccurately. Doesn't
everyone? The recovered memories are in a different category. I'll go on
record as saying I don't believe in *anyones* recovered memories without proof.
Anyway, she answered with time frames and you didn't.
Peach
Still_lying_about_Marty
> Still_lying_about_Marty wrote:
> >
> > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414433EE...@aol.com>...
> > > Dicktop_Stud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04091...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > > Adults can stop taking a destructive drug, but how many kids are
> > > > > allowed to make that decision? The victims in the psychiatric world
> > > > > are very much so the children, no doubt.
> > > >
> > > > This is your response to the 5 years you were locked up in a
> > > > psychiatric hospital for the insane and forced to take anti-psychotic
> > > > medication so you wouldn't hurt yourself and children??
> > > >
> > > > Sad.
> > >
> > > You've said this before Gary, but it doesn't appear to be in Barbara's
> > > lengthy series about her life. She does mention a couple of relatively
> > > short stays in hospitals, but nothing like five years. There was the
> > > incident in Germany, and then the two times on the East Coast, I think.
> >
> > LOL. Now, you're lending credibility to her wacky life stories. While
> > you're at it, why not shed some light on the secret underwater
> > submarine base and her being born in a non-existent Utah city?
>
> Ya think? Seems to me that Barbara never intentionally lies about
> things.
Ya think? One has to wonder who is the bigger fool here?
To be sure, her interpretations of events may differ from
> others. She may remember an event somewhat inaccurately. Doesn't
> everyone? The recovered memories are in a different category. I'll go on
> record as saying I don't believe in *anyones* recovered memories without proof.
>
> Anyway, she answered with time frames and you didn't.
Ahh..I see...so if I present you with delusional time frames, you'll be happy?
C'mon, Peach, you can't be that dim. :-(
realpch
Tell you what Gary, until I hear of other more persuasive information,
I'll accept Barbara's statement.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
Indeed, I don't lie, as lies feel bad, and they have short legs. And I
have beautiful long legs! :) Just read the life history of Garry
Scarff and see how lies catch up to a person.
I never claimed that I was born under water. I posted over and over
that I was born in a Utah hospital where my mom died during the
operation. Doctor Jekill and Mr. Hide killed her intentionally.
True, I can err by making a hasty judgment, but did you ever notice
that there are no errors on ARS? Do you recall any postings of ARS
posters pointing to an error? No, there is not such a thing, only all
kind of mental illnesses! If you think it is one a clock in the
afternoon and not two o'clock, you did not err, but you are mentally
ill. It is schizo, what else! :)
But in the very important things concerning my life, I do not err. My
memory to the submarine village is so graphic, that I impossible could
have made it up. I can draw a blueprint of that place that I recall as
Chattanooga, Utah.
It is the most unusual place you can imagine, Peach. A multimillion
dollar resort is just a bunch of shacks compared the village. It is
like a gigantic country club, trees everywhere, every house build out
of beautiful wood, and it is healthy, clean, and quiet. It is big, a
real village, and over it was a ceiling of glass but with wood
supporting it outside was water.
There were no cars just a cute train transporting the people. There
was a market place, a center of town with people selling their goods,
harvest, products and their handicraft. I also remember somebody
leaving that place to pick up USPS mail outside of the village. They
had no mailman in the village, but a store who kept the mail till the
residents picked it up while visiting the market place. It is of
course on no map, as it is no land, but basically a huge privately
owned boat. I was raised in that village the first years of my life
and then kidnapped. I remember that L. Ron Hubbard was there and that
I called him dad. My play mate was a boy, and he was very exciting but
also gentle, and I remember that he asked me to marry him. No kidding.
And I bet it was nobody else but Marty Rathbun, whom I then indeed
later married in the UK.
I remember that sub village also by night, I doubt that you ever saw
something so beautiful as this. Deep peace everywhere. I know that
living in that village stops the clock of aging. No resident in the
village wants to leave because of that, and the peace and security.
I posted over and over that living in such a protected wonderful place
should be the constitutional right of every person, but I am attacked
nevertheless, despite my best intentions toward mankind, but because
others here have a secret DEATHWISH! There is no other explanation for
their kind of stupidity, unless, they want to move in such an
environment and don't want to grant the same rights to fellow other
human beings.
Barbara Schwarz
Garry Scarff is a notorious liar, a cyber stalker, a forger, an identity stealer, an animal, and a disgrace to the human race
Foreging posting is not by Barbara Schwarz. It is one of the many
forgeries of criminal and identity stealer Garry Scarff. I post from
Utah, he posts from California. His postings are criminal,
unintelligent and vulgar, mine none. It is a sign that the "justice
system" dosn't work as this criminal still roams free and continues
new crimes. He also lied under oath and is a perjurer.
I swear under oath and penality of perjury that I never stole
anybody's identity nor did I ever forge a posting or any other
document. Scarff libels me as he thinks that he comes away with it as
in his eyes I am a rightless person.
I think that what Garry Lynn Scarff wants to basically say is this:
"I aplogize to Barbara Schwarz for having stolen her identity, for
misinforming and confusing the newsgroup readers, and I also apologize
to the other Scientologists that I betrayed and to my mother, as she
had to raise me, something else than a human being. I am so bad that
it is hard to put in words. I lie constantly. I don't even know how it
feels to say the truth. I need help, religious help, as psychiatrists
just would make me worse as I am already are. Please come to me,
religious people all over the planet, come to me and make me to a
human being. My gay pick up "church" WEHO, a toxic place, did not
transform me in somebody even remotely decent. Now I need the help of
all the really religious people. Please come by my apartment: Garry
Scarff, 7760 Holywood Blvd. Apt. 206, Los Angeles, CA 90046, any time,
even at 3 am, I don't care, bring your bibles, torahs, korans, the
veda, the Book of Mormons, other scriptures, bring an exorcist,
garlic, wood stick, whatever you need, and make me to a human being! I
beg you, without you, I will rott in hell. Please, please save me! You
are my last hope of help, as I am already growing horns and a tail.
And do also something for my idol Dave Touretzky and my masters, the
case officers and psychiatric mindcontrollers. They need your help
urgently too.
Yours, very untruly, the very degraded, perverted, outrageously
lawless, hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful,
cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable,
belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal,
fascistic, bigoted,racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic,
brain-damaged,
imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame,
self-righteous,
Byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious,
splenetic,
spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb,
evasive,
double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative,
paternalistic,
fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic,
diseased,suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive,
dim,crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim,
unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive,
mind-numbing, abrasive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive,
abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.
Garry Lynn Scarff.
This is about slimy maggot and notorious identity stealer and
chronical liar Garry Lynn Scarff. If criminal acts and lies would
hurt, that guy would scream all people in his town into completely
deafness.
GARRY SCARFF IN HIS OWN DANGEROUS:
"Actually, she (Barbara Schwarz) needs a baseball bat right in the
kisser.
"Better yet, Bob, why don't you fetch an armload of really heavy books
and walk over to Barbara when she's at a computer and
whoops....accidentially trip and drop the books on her head...hell..."
"You're very lucky there's 2000 miles between us, Beebe. You'd either
be dead or in ICU."
Garry Scarff: "Yup! I AM SATAN, HEAR ME ROAR!"
Garry Scarff: "...my college grades dropped and I was suspended for 6
month from college for receiving one credit out of the required 12 for
the term."
Garry Scarff: "D.E. and others are correct if that I have not been a
Scientologist..."
Garry Scarff: "I was 'friend' with Scientology, yet going to cult
education forums with the Greeks and trashing Scientology."
Garry Scarff: "I...was even invited as special friend by Ann Greek to
accompany them to Canada for the purposes of kidnapping their
daughter...I accompanied the Greeks and another deprogrammer, Diane
Benscoter to Candada but the effort was unsuccessful."
Garry Scarff: "The sexual incident involving deprogrammer Bob
Brandybury did occur though Anne Greek begged me not to report it as a
crime."
Garry Scarff: "I rather lick you."
Garry Scarff:" Have a short life, Zanebutt".
Garry Scarff: "Don't make me send my henchman back over there to
bloody your nose."
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GARRY SCARFF, THE THIEF OF FUNDS:
Garry Scarff stole stole 70% of donations of the Postitive Action
Center. Something tells me that he did not do that out of hunger but
because he has a criminal mind.
GARRY SCARFF, AND THE MISUSE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT:
The affidavit of lawyer Graham Berry of April 4, 2004 indicates that
Garry Scarff unlawfully used law enforcement computer network to
retrieve info about juvenile. My question, is there any crime that
this Scarff has not committed sofar? He should be locked up.
GARRY SCARFF, THE PERJURER:
There are numerous information on the net that Garry Scarff lied in
his deposition in the Fishman/Geertz case.
Saying the truth under oath means nothing to criminal Scarff.
MORE GARRY SCARFF PERJURY:
Garry Scarff recants the content of his declarations given to Michael
Rinder, Elliott Abelson and David Long during the July 4, 1997
weekend. (A court accepting an affidavit of notorious liar Scarff is
losing all credibility.)
GARRY SCARFF, COMFORTABLE WITH LYING TO OTHERS FOR A LIVING:
C. Brennan wrote: "You forgot to mention that Garry Scarff is the guy
that used to be paid by the Cult Awareness Netwwork to lie to
potential money sources for CAN and tell them his poor daddy died in
Jonestown (he said it used to bring tears to people's eyes,and green
out of people's pocketbooks, I guess he was convincing). Only problem
was his father was alive and well and living in Florida. CAN toured
him all over the country telling that story for quite a while, I guess
they got some good mileage out of it. It seems that Gary's comfortable
with lying to others for a living, don't know who is paying him now."
GARRY SCARFF, THE VIOLENT MAN
Violent Garry Scarff about an missed opportunity to have him arrested:
"My heated emotions to one female counterpicketer gave away and I
grabbed her by the throat and flung her to the ground in full view of
a Scientologist with a rolling videocamera."
MORE ABOUT GARRY SCARFF, THE DEATH THREAT MAKER:
His apology was simply part of the usual Scarff cycle. Still "valid"
is also his promise to kill me. -- T.H.
...but I see he (Garry Scarff) has progressed to making death threats
against me in a desperate plea for my attention. Something about
shooting me in the head? Someone e-mailed it to me; I missed the
posted thread. -- M.H.
And yeah, I know you (Garry Scarff) are dangerous...I know you can
easily mock up being really insane and take me out with your insanity
defense all nicely in place. -- G.A.
I would suggest to those who know Garry in LA that you should be
careful...So my advice to everyone: never never never never tell Garry
Scarff anything.... Remember, that is what drives his sick mind - he
wants to be known, looked at and to be listened to. -- T.H.
Gary! You had a sex change operation! -- MTR
You are a liar, Garry. We have met. -- W.
Garry Scarff is a know liar. -- L.F.
Scarff worked for both sides and cried, when he was caught. -- T.H.
GARRY SCARFF, AND INSANITY THAT RUNS IN HIS FAMILY?
Garry's brother allegedly killed himself with a gun.
I just believe that Garry has nothing to do with that if he has an
fool proof alibi that he was not near his brother at that time.
ROLL OVER FATHER JOHN GEOGHAN, HERE COMES GARRY SCARFF:
I learned that the Catholic Church did not take godless gay Garry
Scarff, who wanted to become a catholic "priest". Knowing Scarff, the
only reason why he would have wanted to join is because of the
homosexual activities of that church. That is likely the only reason
he became member in WEHO, his gay pick up "church" place in which they
drug and rape according to WEHO ex-members.
I thought the Catholic Church hires just about any perverted creep.
Scarff is apparently so perverted that even that church does not want
him. If they would have, who knows how many little boys rightfully
would sue father Scarff.
GARRY SCARFF, THE SPY:
Scarff:" I lied to F. and feigned an emotional outburst complete with
tears, screaming... The ploy worked as F. apologized to me... I
availed myself to his aonfidential (sic) legal records and legal files
of his clients..."
GARRY SCARFF, and his questionable diet: "Agreed that the Mormon when
(sic) look like they belong on a dairy farm, but some of the young
missionaries are yummy!"
MORE COMPLAINTS BY OTHERS ABOUT GARRY SCARFF:
Graham has his own ass to cover since Scarff gave him reams of other
false statements about alleged murder plots and so on...Berry will
have serious problems trying to make Scarff's former statements under
oath old up. -- H.C.
Garry Scarff deliberately lied about his background while he was an
active member of CAN. He claimed his father and other family members
were killed in Jonestown -- when he actually didn't know anyone in
Jonestown or have any involvement with the People's Temple. He served
as CAN's poster boy for awhile, all based on his fabricated
experiences with Jim Jones. After CAN was embarrassed by Scarff's lies
and turned against him, Scarff then proceeded to claim he had
infiltrated CAN as a GO/OSA operative. Outside of Scarff's own
assertions, I've seen no indication that this is any more true than
his lies about his
Jonestown connections. Scarff told the Moonies that CAN was making
death threats to try to keep him quiet. Scarff told the Moonies that,
as a member of CAN, he had been involved in activities that included
theft and burglary against them.
This is the guy whose "sworn affidavits" many people use to "prove"
that the CoS is a criminal organization. We're taking Scarff's
unsubstantiated word for things like the drowning of Judge
Swearinger's dog Duke, Moxon's order to have Cynthia Kisser and her
mythical daughter killed, etc. Is it really wise for anyone to place
so much trust in Scarff's unsubstantiated accusations?
Now, thanks to Scarff himself, we learn that he didn't end his career
as a prevaricator when he lost his contact with CAN and various cults.
He attempted to scam the Roman Catholic Church out of a settlement for
what he himself admits was a bogus claim that he was sexually
harrassed by a Catholic bishop. -- D.R.
It is well known that Garry Scarff can't be trusted...Garry is not
worthy of our trust. -- H.C.R.
Garry Scarff has been caught in lies and deceipt time and time again.
I only wish I could post half of the stuff which clearly shows the
misery that Scarff brought to lots of people. -- J.B.
Garry Scarff is a psychopath, and a loony is not an adequate word to
describe him. Scarff is a danger not only to himself, but to anyone
who trust him too... -- T.H.
For your information, when Garry (Scarff) was with CAN he was telling
everyone that his family had died in Jonestown and was making these
statements to the media. Come to find out, it was not true in the
slightest. If the alleged murder plots were true why didn't he go to
the police? -- H.C.
Perhaps you forget about the numerous little con-games he's been
caught playing here? I continue to spit in his (Scarff's) direction.
-- Z.T.
Garry Scarff is not a Scientology victim, he is a mentally ill guy...
-- T.H.
Is this guy (Garry Scarff) for real or does he just need to lay off
the hemp? Sounds like he's suffering from the Reality Inversion as
Robert Vaughn Young. -- T.J.
He (Scarff) has admitted to the things he has done and said, and he
has admitted being unstable. --J.B.
Have you ever seen Garry Scarff apologize for his deprogramming
activities here, or anything else for that matter? -- D.R.
Garry's mental problem is that he cannot accept people contradicting
him. -- T. H.
Scarff has already underminded any use he has in litigation for either
side because he lied so much. -- H.C.
And now you've become a forger as well. Go ahead Garry, and forge hate
messages. Go ahead, lie all you want. Go ahead and be cruel. Go ahead
and deny that your're doing what you're doing. -- G.A.
You (Garry Scarff) surface with your attacks and pornographic postings
and each time that you do I will release more info on you, who Lynn
Garrett really is, how Lynn Garrett makes his living, how Garry Scarff
became Lynn Garrett, vice versa. How Garry Scarff has accused at least
six individuals of homosexual attacks. -- J.B.
All I can say is that Scarff -- and the conflicting declarations he's
made in the past -- is what led me to become very skeptical of
anyone's claim of past abuse from cults, whether they've been sworn to
under penality or not. There may be some people willing to pick and
choose from Scarff's statement, selecting what they wish to beleive
and labelling as lies anything they don't wish to believe. I tend to
think that anyone so willing to change sides so often, for whatecver
reason, has list all hope of credibility. -- D.R.
I am a 100 percent convinced that no Scientologist told infiltrator
Garry Scarff to kill people, but that is all a product of this
criminal and mentally retarded mind. -- Barbara Schwarz
BTW, for those who don't know Garry Scarff, he is a pathological
liar...Garry lies continually about the "celebrities" he encounters.
He pretended to be a Jonestown survivor. -- G.A.
I have Scarff killfiled and so I don't see_his_posts, dear whatever.
-- Z.
Placing him (Scarff) in a killfile as probably 100 ars regulars have
done. Anyway, ars sure is a different place without him hanging
around. Must say I like it. :) *No one* makes as much noise as this
deseased creep... -- M.H.
FACTNet's archives include Garry Scarff's deposition revealing what he
claimed was a meeting with Moxon, Ingram, and others in which he swore
under penalty of perjury that all sorts of nefarious and illegal
schemes were plotted. FACTNet never reveals Garry Scarff's incredibly
checkered past history of flip-flopping between the battling cultists
and anticultists, or his ready admission that he's fabricated stories
from whole cloth (like his parents' death at Jonestown) in the past.
In Scarff's case, it wasn't just OSA who tried to warn readers about
Scarff's lack of credibility. -- D.R.
Garry Scarff's sexual harassment, insults, threats and cyber stalking
of me, Barbara Schwarz, are under different Google identities on the
net. Scarff also uses e-mail accounts and posting ideas with my name
in it or a name similar as my name to commit those crimes against me,
but they can be all traced to him.
Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
Still_lying_about_Marty. No posting by me, the true Barbara Schwarz,
is made under Babbling.Barbara.Schwarz and e-mail address
theonewhoisadelu...@emailaccount.com.
I posted first under Guess who? and e-mail account
theonewhoshallnotspeakout@emailaccount, till he stole again my
identity and posts now also with identity Guess who and with e-mail
account theonewhoisadelusionalliar". posted with Guess who? before and
e-mail account theonewhosha...@emailaccount.com, Scarff
stole the identity again and posts now with Guess who? but e-mail
account theonewhoisad...@emailaccount.com, and he sure is
one.
Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids infected, gay lunatic
Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical defender of the porn and bomb
instruction guy Dave Touretzky. I wonder how much Touretzky is
involved in getting my home address constantly posted against my will
and in Scarff's perverted misinformation that I admire Touretzky or
want to be married to him or to be his "sex slave"!
Scarff is nobody on his own and also stole the identity of Mark
Rathbun Marty Rathbun (mrat...@scientology.org). I believe there is
something like the gay Mafia, and Scarff belongs it it. He constantly
posts my home address on the net in hope I come to harm or that I am
being murdered by those that find the address, if he can't make
himself to my town to kill me.
Interesting however is that he did not want to state his own address
to a court as he was afraid that he could himself come to harm. If he
fears the bad world by not even tell the court where he lives, how
come he posts over and over my address on the net and lies that people
would get sexual services at my address?
Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often using my name as
identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults me, threatens me,
harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to intimidate me, libels,
insults and lies about me. He also posts with identity "Dicktop Stud"
and "Papa Boner". He furthermore lied that he spoke to a roomate of
mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in that hospital,
but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking that especially
the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote junk science
psychiatry.
Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to
Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo
member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
their active members, and that one of their active members murdered
others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as
their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, doesn't see what's wrong with that.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
> > Still_lying_about_Marty wrote:
> > >
> > > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414433EE...@aol.com>...
Funny that Scarff mentioned my niece and that she allegedly doesn't
want to have anything anymore to do with me. Actually, my niece loves
me so much that she wants to be my daughter.
She still is in school but earned her first own money, and guess what
she bought from that money? No, no car, no new clothes, no diamond
ring, but travel tickets to be with me. She will soon be back with me.
She is really a lot more like my daughter than my niece. She
congratulates me to mothers day. She also does not approach me with
"aunt". She refused to call me that since ever, so she created a
special name for me.
She is beautiful, creative, smart and is no troubled teen at all. She
is like an angel. Needless to say, she is a lot like me. :)
If she would know what Scarff posts about me she would be competely
outraged.
But this is how it is: good people are loved just by being themselves,
and rotten people like Scarff are very alone.
And I wonder what Rep. Ron Paul thinks about that thread, Peach!
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz is a notorious psychotic liar, an identity stealer, an ugly cow, and a disgrace to the human race
The blind leading the blind. Some people never learn....
Barbara Schwarz is a notorious psychotic liar, an identity stealer, an ugly cow, and a disgrace to the human race
> Barbara...@myway.com (Still_lying_about_Marty) wrote in message news:<19b9f902.04091...@posting.google.com>...
> > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<41477448...@aol.com>...
> > > Still_lying_about_Marty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414433EE...@aol.com>...
>
> Funny that Scarff mentioned my niece and that she allegedly doesn't
> want to have anything anymore to do with me. Actually, my niece loves
> me so much that she wants to be my daughter.
>
> She still is in school but earned her first own money, and guess what
> she bought from that money? No, no car, no new clothes, no diamond
> ring, but travel tickets to be with me. She will soon be back with me.
What? Your niece got a job and made money for herself?? Unlike you who
is lazy and mentally disturbed having to live off your family??
Amazing.
> She is really a lot more like my daughter than my niece. She
> congratulates me to mothers day. She also does not approach me with
> "aunt". She refused to call me that since ever, so she created a
> special name for me.
Let me guess: UglyBitch?
>
> She is beautiful, creative, smart and is no troubled teen at all. She
> is like an angel. Needless to say, she is a lot like me. :)
Uh-huh. Let me guess...she also runs and cowers from Nazis
distributing ear implants.
>
> If she would know what Scarff posts about me she would be competely
> outraged.
> But this is how it is: good people are loved just by being themselves,
> and rotten people like Scarff are very alone.
Yeah right! I don't gawk about underwater submarine bases,
outrageously untrue family connections and other crazy shit from that
disturbed brain of yours...and, oh...I work for a living...I don't
welch off my parents. Guess you never learned to grow up and take care
of yourself.
Barbara Schwarz is a notorious psychotic liar, an identity stealer, an ugly cow, and a disgrace to the human race
You're jealous!!!
>
> I never claimed that I was born under water. I posted over and over
> that I was born in a Utah hospital where my mom died during the
> operation. Doctor Jekill and Mr. Hide killed her intentionally.
You sure it wasn't Dr. Kildare or Marcus Welby? Hmm...maybe it was
Kojak.
>
> True, I can err by making a hasty judgment, but did you ever notice
> that there are no errors on ARS? Do you recall any postings of ARS
> posters pointing to an error? No, there is not such a thing, only all
> kind of mental illnesses! If you think it is one a clock in the
> afternoon and not two o'clock, you did not err, but you are mentally
> ill. It is schizo, what else! :)
Speaking of schizo, why'd you stop taking your Halidol?
>
> But in the very important things concerning my life, I do not err. My
> memory to the submarine village is so graphic, that I impossible could
> have made it up. I can draw a blueprint of that place that I recall as
> Chattanooga, Utah.
Uh-huh...let me guess...your neighbor in Chattanooga was Alice in
Wonderland.
>
> It is the most unusual place you can imagine, Peach. A multimillion
> dollar resort is just a bunch of shacks compared the village. It is
> like a gigantic country club, trees everywhere, every house build out
> of beautiful wood, and it is healthy, clean, and quiet. It is big, a
> real village, and over it was a ceiling of glass but with wood
> supporting it outside was water.
Sounds like something you read in a fairy tale book. Can't decipher
the difference can you?
snip of psychotic spew from the psychotic wonder
realpch
I hope that you don't share ars with your neice, who sounds like a nice
little girl. I'm sure it would only distress her. She was the little
girl in the pictures, right?
I don't remember what the original post was about! I sincerely doubt
anybody is reading it but you, me & Gary.
: )
Peach
realpch
Why they do that around here. Must be some kind of a program at the
local JC. One experienced blind person showing an inexperienced blind
person the ropes. You see them walking about in the area.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
She is no little girl anymore, but a very constructive, artistic and
gorgeous teenager who has good grades and reads any book she gets her
hands on, Peach. Yes, that little girl that was she once. Now she is
taller than I am. She is my most loyal fan.
No, I never will introduce her to ARS, the snakepit.
>
> I don't remember what the original post was about! I sincerely doubt
> anybody is reading it but you, me & Gary.
> : )
> Peach
Never underestimate the lurkers. From the e-mails that I receive, the
postings are read by all kind of people, nice people and not so nice
people.
I always posted with my name, Barbara Schwarz, also my first posting
on ARS That was probably done with e-mail address
BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com. I think I posted first time mid/end
November of year 2000.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
<snip>
> She is no little girl anymore, but a very constructive, artistic and
> gorgeous teenager who has good grades and reads any book she gets her
> hands on, Peach. Yes, that little girl that was she once. Now she is
> taller than I am. She is my most loyal fan.
>
> No, I never will introduce her to ARS, the snakepit.
That's good. Teenagers look like little girls to me, I did notice before
that you said she was a teenager. I have a fabulous neice myself.
> > I don't remember what the original post was about! I sincerely doubt
> > anybody is reading it but you, me & Gary.
> > : )
> > Peach
>
> Never underestimate the lurkers. From the e-mails that I receive, the
> postings are read by all kind of people, nice people and not so nice
> people.
>
> I always posted with my name, Barbara Schwarz, also my first posting
> on ARS That was probably done with e-mail address
> BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com. I think I posted first time mid/end
> November of year 2000.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Yeah, yeah, I found it. It's http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=a6bc00a0.0211070855.47a61253%40posting.google.com
It's uh, a lot like the other posts:
"November 7, 2002
To all that spread lies about me, Barbara Schwarz, Marty Rathbun (de
Rothschild)and L. Ron Hubbard through the Internet:
Usually I don't read or reply to garbage published on the web, but
today I have a minute to spare and want to straighten something out. I
hope that you are aware that people with functional minds don't take
the scribble of Anti-Scientologists seriously. They rather quickly are
getting that you people are primitive liars and that you are
convicting yourself as such, through your messages. On top of it, your
narrow little hate-world is extremly boring. It's always the same: You
are nobodies and you attack the somebodies.
However, note this: None of you knows me, you never met me, you never
spoke to me, we did not even have any correspondence ever, but you
geeks are claiming that you are experts on my life, my mind and my
mental health. Unbelievable. Don't you get that there is rather
something wrong with superficial guys like yourselves, instead with
me?
Not long ago, a person with similar lousy characters as yours thought
it would be an excellent idea to declare me insane and cut of my
freedom of speech with such a campaign and to let criminals and
conspirators come away. She lobbied top state Department of Mental
Health official to send me people of a mental health institution to my
home and to examine me, to put me away. After that encounter I had a 2
1/2 hour long hearing before a governmental agency with at least 13
officials present. They questioned and grilled me, but they also
listened. They came to the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing
wrong with me, but that I should have never been bothered by the
mental health people and that rights of mine were violated.
In other words: Claiming that I am insane will not get you anywhere,
because my sharp, logical, independent and analytical mind is my
greatest gift. So, the chuckle is on you superficial lunatics who
don't know me, but giving expertise to my life and mental health. You
eat your own words.
I lost some battles, but in an insane world as this, it is no
surprise. In a sane world corrupt criminal conspirative liars as you
anti-Scientology-gang-members would be locked up doing hard labor to
sweat out your evil intentions towards mankind. We are not there yet,
but we are getting there. I just lost some battles, but not the
war.This is what you are losing. You will go down in history as what
you really are: Supressive nerds, complete idiots, jealous liars,
primitive creatures, reputation killers, pitiful robots, cowards,
jerks, unreligious mentally retarded slime of lowest level of the
evolution.
Reading your lies about L.Ron Hubbard and Mark Rathbun tells everyone
that you are people without any class. You don't know them either. You
are just jealous that there are so much better than you are. That
drives you wild. That is why you hate them. You are too stupid and too
lazy to better yourselves and try to make the good people bad by
spreading lies about them and giving them your(!)characters. What you
claim what is wrong with us, is actually wrong with you geeks. As far
as Marty Rathbun and I am concerned, you creatures are punch drunk
jealous. Get your own soulmates and leave us with your lies and
hostilities alone!
Get a life, get a character, get moral, get ethics and get an IQ.
Don't e-mail me. I have no time to waste to correspond with low
lifeforms as you are. You are all I am proud not to be.
Barbara Schwarz"
Heavily larded with insults Barbara! Tell me you don't talk to people in
real life like this, right?
: )
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> <snip>
> > She is no little girl anymore, but a very constructive, artistic and
> > gorgeous teenager who has good grades and reads any book she gets her
> > hands on, Peach. Yes, that little girl that was she once. Now she is
> > taller than I am. She is my most loyal fan.
> >
> > No, I never will introduce her to ARS, the snakepit.
>
> That's good. Teenagers look like little girls to me, I did notice before
> that you said she was a teenager. I have a fabulous neice myself.
>
> > > I don't remember what the original post was about! I sincerely doubt
> > > anybody is reading it but you, me & Gary.
> > > : )
> > > Peach
> >
> > Never underestimate the lurkers. From the e-mails that I receive, the
> > postings are read by all kind of people, nice people and not so nice
> > people.
> >
> > I always posted with my name, Barbara Schwarz, also my first posting
> > on ARS That was probably done with e-mail address
> > BarbaraSc...@hotmail.com. I think I posted first time mid/end
> > November of year 2000.
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Yeah, yeah, I found it. It's http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=a6bc00a0.0211070855.47a61253%40posting.google.com
>
>
> It's uh, a lot like the other posts:
Indeed, I was only mistaken about the year it was 2002 and not 2000.
You found my first posting in response to lies, libel and defamation
about me on the net. The ARS posters could have left me alone, but
they did not, so I posted a bit more and more. :)
Sure, it is lot like the other postings of mine. It is done by me,
telling criminal liars to get a life. Why should I sugar code their
wrong ways? I tell it like it is. Being friendly to snakes just
results in more snake bites. Did you ever try to caress rattlesnakes,
Peach? See, that is what I mean.
Insults? They defame me, my state of mind, Ron, Marty and my religion
Scientology and I insult them by telling them the truth about them?
Again, Peach, we are not in the same side. You cover for those extreme
creatures, I don't.
I am the most nicest person to good people. Read my love letters to
Marty, then you see my other side. As far as other good people are
concerned, many people in the Munich org said that I am the person
with the most affinity and understanding for other people, it doesn't
who those people are. Non-Scientologists, who do not persecute my
religion or me, also find me a really nice person and enjoy my
company. I hear it constantly. It is very easy for me to make friends,
if I want to.
If nobody libels, persecute, kidnaps me or tries to forcefully
medicate me, that is. And I also hate esp. the lies about L. Ron
Hubbard. Insulting Ron is like insulting me personally.
I do not allow suppressives to slap my face and turn the other cheek,
because if you do, they just hit you again. RB tried to suppress me
all my life to make me to a person just like she was. I had to fight
hard to develop my own personality, and I succeeded. I am like no
other and certainly not like her.
Besides RB, two of my kidnappers are still alive, Peach. You can ask
them and they will verify that I speak like I post. :) I also throw
with funitures as soon as I am captured.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
<snip>
> Indeed, I was only mistaken about the year it was 2002 and not 2000.
> You found my first posting in response to lies, libel and defamation
> about me on the net. The ARS posters could have left me alone, but
> they did not, so I posted a bit more and more. :)
>
> Sure, it is lot like the other postings of mine. It is done by me,
> telling criminal liars to get a life. Why should I sugar code their
> wrong ways? I tell it like it is. Being friendly to snakes just
> results in more snake bites. Did you ever try to caress rattlesnakes,
> Peach? See, that is what I mean.
No, I've never tried to pet a rattlesnake, but I have owned snakes that
I liked a lot and who didn't bite me.
<snip>
>
> Insults? They defame me, my state of mind, Ron, Marty and my religion
> Scientology and I insult them by telling them the truth about them?
> Again, Peach, we are not in the same side. You cover for those extreme
> creatures, I don't.
I don't cover for anybody. I express my views of posters here, as you
have expressed your views of them. I shall leave it to the audience to
decide who is the more accurate. Often it is the person with the more
moderate view!
> I am the most nicest person to good people. Read my love letters to
> Marty, then you see my other side. As far as other good people are
> concerned, many people in the Munich org said that I am the person
> with the most affinity and understanding for other people, it doesn't
> who those people are. Non-Scientologists, who do not persecute my
> religion or me, also find me a really nice person and enjoy my
> company. I hear it constantly. It is very easy for me to make friends,
> if I want to.
>
> If nobody libels, persecute, kidnaps me or tries to forcefully
> medicate me, that is. And I also hate esp. the lies about L. Ron
> Hubbard. Insulting Ron is like insulting me personally.
Well, I kinda think a really good judge of our character is how we treat
people that we *don't* like. It's relatively easy to be good & fair to
people that we do like. And Barbara, you aren't L. Ron Hubbard!
> I do not allow suppressives to slap my face and turn the other cheek,
> because if you do, they just hit you again. RB tried to suppress me
> all my life to make me to a person just like she was. I had to fight
> hard to develop my own personality, and I succeeded. I am like no
> other and certainly not like her.
>
> Besides RB, two of my kidnappers are still alive, Peach. You can ask
> them and they will verify that I speak like I post. :) I also throw
> with funitures as soon as I am captured.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
: )
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
Yes, you don't harm them physically and you don't lie about them. But
kissing the feet of criminals is the worst that a person can do. It is
not about not liking certain people. It is about that those certain
people are from hell and you don't allow them to take over the world.
>It's relatively easy to be good & fair to
> people that we do like.
The world is in the condition it is because people failed to be tough
on crimes.
>And Barbara, you aren't L. Ron Hubbard!
Says who? :) I have crystal clear and happy pictures of being raised
by Ron as his daughter and me approaching him as dad. It is no false
memory at all. I went back and back and checked it again, and I just
got more pictures instead of less. I was sort of finding it out for
sure in standard org auditing. But too bad, after we has established
that I am a past life clear, I soon was kicked out by infiltrators.
Moreover, I look like him. When I saw Suzette I thought I look my twin
sister in the eyes, only that she had red hair and I not. Would you
like you dad to be defamed by rotten people?
> > I do not allow suppressives to slap my face and turn the other cheek,
> > because if you do, they just hit you again. RB tried to suppress me
> > all my life to make me to a person just like she was. I had to fight
> > hard to develop my own personality, and I succeeded. I am like no
> > other and certainly not like her.
> >
> > Besides RB, two of my kidnappers are still alive, Peach. You can ask
> > them and they will verify that I speak like I post. :) I also throw
> > with funitures as soon as I am captured.
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
> inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
> questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
> : )
> Peach
I can't believe you, Peach. Criminal people took me hostage, and I
should be nice to them? I don't care if criminal people question my
mental health. They are mentally ill otherwise they would not kidnap
people. I am just straight and I fight for my human rights.
I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
> > Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
> > inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
> > questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
> > : )
> > Peach
>
> I can't believe you, Peach. Criminal people took me hostage, and I
> should be nice to them? I don't care if criminal people question my
> mental health. They are mentally ill otherwise they would not kidnap
> people. I am just straight and I fight for my human rights.
Well by now you must know that I find that the oblique response to many
situations is far better than the straight-forward one. Like you, I have
always been predisposed to very direct responses to situations, however
time has shown me that the direct response often worsens situations, and
can be seen as ham-handed. Whereas using a bit more subtlety can smooth
matters to the point where they can be more easily dealt with.
"I need to speak to my lawyer," is probably more effectual than bashing
someone over the head with a lamp, in most situations!
: )
> I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
> criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
> soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Oh, being proud of oneself doesn't preclude self-improvement or
developement, does it? You do have the right to change, if you like.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> >
> > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414E19F9...@aol.com>...
> <snip>
>
> > > Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
> > > inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
> > > questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
> > > : )
> > > Peach
> >
> > I can't believe you, Peach. Criminal people took me hostage, and I
> > should be nice to them? I don't care if criminal people question my
> > mental health. They are mentally ill otherwise they would not kidnap
> > people. I am just straight and I fight for my human rights.
>
> Well by now you must know that I find that the oblique response to many
> situations is far better than the straight-forward one.
If you are being held hostage in a psychiatric institution, I agree,
there is no free speech here. If you dare to speak your mind and tell
them what you think about them, they medically rape you. This is how
they handle their critics.
Like you, I have
> always been predisposed to very direct responses to situations, however
> time has shown me that the direct response often worsens situations, and
> can be seen as ham-handed. Whereas using a bit more subtlety can smooth
> matters to the point where they can be more easily dealt with.
But in that deprogramming house, I just decided fight my way out of
there. I saw yesterday a report on TV about how people should react
when they are becomming the target of criminals and abductors. The
police men all advised to scream and fight.
>
> "I need to speak to my lawyer," is probably more effectual than bashing
> someone over the head with a lamp, in most situations!
> : )
Not with "deprogrammers" or psychs, they laugh in your face and
continue to abuse you. Just imagine you are kidnapped in a deprogram
station and you ask to speak with a lawyer, Peach. Do you really think
they hand you the phone?
Moreover, when the German authorities kidnapped me from Copenhagen, I
tried over and over to call a lawyer, but police, district attorneys
and judges refused to let me speak to one. This is the real world,
Peach, not being allowed to call a lawyer who will free you.
> > I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
> > criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
> > soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Oh, being proud of oneself doesn't preclude self-improvement or
> developement, does it?
No, it doesn't.
You do have the right to change, if you like.
If I am proud of my character, why would I want to change it?
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Peach
realpch
>
> realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414ED3B3...@aol.com>...
> > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > >
> > > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414E19F9...@aol.com>...
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
> > > > inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
> > > > questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
> > > > : )
> > > > Peach
> > >
> > > I can't believe you, Peach. Criminal people took me hostage, and I
> > > should be nice to them? I don't care if criminal people question my
> > > mental health. They are mentally ill otherwise they would not kidnap
> > > people. I am just straight and I fight for my human rights.
> >
> > Well by now you must know that I find that the oblique response to many
> > situations is far better than the straight-forward one.
>
> If you are being held hostage in a psychiatric institution, I agree,
> there is no free speech here. If you dare to speak your mind and tell
> them what you think about them, they medically rape you. This is how
> they handle their critics.
Barbara, it's like that in MOST institutions! And by institutions I
include the office, the coffee shop, the department store, the post
office, et cetera.
: )
> Like you, I have
> > always been predisposed to very direct responses to situations, however
> > time has shown me that the direct response often worsens situations, and
> > can be seen as ham-handed. Whereas using a bit more subtlety can smooth
> > matters to the point where they can be more easily dealt with.
>
> But in that deprogramming house, I just decided fight my way out of
> there. I saw yesterday a report on TV about how people should react
> when they are becomming the target of criminals and abductors. The
> police men all advised to scream and fight.
> >
> > "I need to speak to my lawyer," is probably more effectual than bashing
> > someone over the head with a lamp, in most situations!
> > : )
>
> Not with "deprogrammers" or psychs, they laugh in your face and
> continue to abuse you. Just imagine you are kidnapped in a deprogram
> station and you ask to speak with a lawyer, Peach. Do you really think
> they hand you the phone?
Certainly I wasn't there. Your mom set that up, right? I think I might
have asked to talk with her. Now I don't approve of kidnapping people
and trying to deprogram them. It's illegal, inadvisable, and besides, my
guess is it usually doesn't work too well. The reason it happened, the
reason there was a wave of it, was that suddenly many parents found
themselves terribly frightened by what was happening to their children,
and found that they could not *speak* with those children. Not in any
real way. So they did what they thought was best. People doing what they
think is best can often be mistaken. Talk can help.
> Moreover, when the German authorities kidnapped me from Copenhagen, I
> tried over and over to call a lawyer, but police, district attorneys
> and judges refused to let me speak to one. This is the real world,
> Peach, not being allowed to call a lawyer who will free you.
I have never been totally clear from your accounts exactly what occurred
there. In the USA I believe they let you make a phone call! No wonder
you are so determined to stay here.
> > > I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
> > > criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
> > > soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
> > >
> > > Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > Oh, being proud of oneself doesn't preclude self-improvement or
> > developement, does it?
> No, it doesn't.
> You do have the right to change, if you like.
>
> If I am proud of my character, why would I want to change it?
>
> Barbara Schwarz
> >
> > Peach
Well Barbara, I keep remembering the incident where that police officer
hurt your arm, and I keep remembering the incident with the waitress.
It's not good to go around pushing people's buttons, no matter how wrong
you might think they are and no matter how wrong they might actually be,
until they arrive at the point where they hurt you. It's not a good idea
to do over the little stuff, it just isn't.
Anyway, I don't think a character is a done deal, ever. Gotta keep improving!
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
> Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> >
> > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414ED3B3...@aol.com>...
> > > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<414E19F9...@aol.com>...
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > Well, I must state that throwing furniture is in most circumstances
> > > > > inadvisable. ESPECIALLY if the people you are throwing it at are
> > > > > questioning your mental health. Such behaviour will merely confirm their suspicions!
> > > > > : )
> > > > > Peach
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe you, Peach. Criminal people took me hostage, and I
> > > > should be nice to them? I don't care if criminal people question my
> > > > mental health. They are mentally ill otherwise they would not kidnap
> > > > people. I am just straight and I fight for my human rights.
> > >
> > > Well by now you must know that I find that the oblique response to many
> > > situations is far better than the straight-forward one.
> >
> > If you are being held hostage in a psychiatric institution, I agree,
> > there is no free speech here. If you dare to speak your mind and tell
> > them what you think about them, they medically rape you. This is how
> > they handle their critics.
>
> Barbara, it's like that in MOST institutions! And by institutions I
> include the office, the coffee shop, the department store, the post
> office, et cetera.
But what is with free speech? Should we just forget about it?
> : )
>
> > Like you, I have
> > > always been predisposed to very direct responses to situations, however
> > > time has shown me that the direct response often worsens situations, and
> > > can be seen as ham-handed. Whereas using a bit more subtlety can smooth
> > > matters to the point where they can be more easily dealt with.
> >
> > But in that deprogramming house, I just decided fight my way out of
> > there. I saw yesterday a report on TV about how people should react
> > when they are becomming the target of criminals and abductors. The
> > police men all advised to scream and fight.
> > >
> > > "I need to speak to my lawyer," is probably more effectual than bashing
> > > someone over the head with a lamp, in most situations!
> > > : )
> >
> > Not with "deprogrammers" or psychs, they laugh in your face and
> > continue to abuse you. Just imagine you are kidnapped in a deprogram
> > station and you ask to speak with a lawyer, Peach. Do you really think
> > they hand you the phone?
>
> Certainly I wasn't there. Your mom set that up, right?
RB was talked into it by German SCN persecutors. The German government
held pro deprogramming events, they want family members to kidnap,
abuse and "deprogram" Scientologists as they are still the same old
Nazis that they ever were.
>I think I might
> have asked to talk with her.
You have no clue how fanatical RB became after having had contact with
Friedrich Wilhelm Haack, Ingo Heinemann, and others. There is no way
to talk to somebody who was convinced that kidnapping and
deprogramming is the way to go. She grinned like a fox in the hen
house after the door was locked behind me. After she was arrested by
police she still was of the opinion that her criminal actions were
right, as all their extreme friends recommended it.
> Now I don't approve of kidnapping people
> and trying to deprogram them. It's illegal, inadvisable, and besides, my
> guess is it usually doesn't work too well.
It doesn't work at all with a real Scientologist. You are in that
house and all you think is that when I get out of here, I bring you
guys to justice for what you do to me.
The reason it happened, the
> reason there was a wave of it, was that suddenly many parents found
> themselves terribly frightened by what was happening to their children,
> and found that they could not *speak* with those children. Not in any
> real way. So they did what they thought was best. People doing what they
> think is best can often be mistaken. Talk can help.
The lies that people spread about religions make the family members so
crazy. I was always willing to talk. I was already kicked out by
infiltrators in SCN when I was kidnapped. But that was not good
enough. All I said to RB that I am, (in my late 20s at that time)
wanted to move out of her flat and in my own apartment as I was tired
of hearing from morning to night her hatred about my religion.
Extremists want the total control about somebody, also the control
over their inner thoughts, as they are nuts.
> > Moreover, when the German authorities kidnapped me from Copenhagen, I
> > tried over and over to call a lawyer, but police, district attorneys
> > and judges refused to let me speak to one. This is the real world,
> > Peach, not being allowed to call a lawyer who will free you.
>
> I have never been totally clear from your accounts exactly what occurred
> there.
I wrote about that very detailed in my installments Barbara Schwarz
reveals shocking news.
>In the USA I believe they let you make a phone call! No wonder
> you are so determined to stay here.
In Germany you have also the right to contact an attorney and make a
call. But as I said, a Scientologist is really something like a Jew in
Germany and you just don't have the rights that other people have.
>
> > > > I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
> > > > criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
> > > > soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
> > > >
> > > > Barbara Schwarz
> > >
> > > Oh, being proud of oneself doesn't preclude self-improvement or
> > > developement, does it?
> > No, it doesn't.
> > You do have the right to change, if you like.
> >
> > If I am proud of my character, why would I want to change it?
> >
> > Barbara Schwarz
> > >
> > > Peach
>
> Well Barbara, I keep remembering the incident where that police officer
> hurt your arm, and I keep remembering the incident with the waitress.
That is not fair, Peach, as I did not provoke any of those people. I
did not provoke the waitress. You would have said same to her as I
did. Calmly, that I paid for my food, that nobody was waiting for the
table, that I am not ready to leave yet.
And as far as policeman Duncan and the U.S. Marshal is concerned, I
did not provoke them either. I was just standing there, not talking,
not fighting, when they decided to break my arm. I am a target of
persecution, Peach, there is no other way to explain my life.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
>
> realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<41522064...@aol.com>...
> > Barbara Schwarz wrote:
> > > If you are being held hostage in a psychiatric institution, I agree,
> > > there is no free speech here. If you dare to speak your mind and tell
> > > them what you think about them, they medically rape you. This is how
> > > they handle their critics.
> >
> > Barbara, it's like that in MOST institutions! And by institutions I
> > include the office, the coffee shop, the department store, the post
> > office, et cetera.
>
> But what is with free speech? Should we just forget about it?
In a lot of instances, it's not necessary nor advisable to exercise our
rights. Or, you know, exercise them judiciously. It's always been like
that in human social groups. You *can* say whatever you like, but of
course there are consequences.
<snip>
> > > Not with "deprogrammers" or psychs, they laugh in your face and
> > > continue to abuse you. Just imagine you are kidnapped in a deprogram
> > > station and you ask to speak with a lawyer, Peach. Do you really think
> > > they hand you the phone?
> >
> > Certainly I wasn't there. Your mom set that up, right?
>
> RB was talked into it by German SCN persecutors. The German government
> held pro deprogramming events, they want family members to kidnap,
> abuse and "deprogram" Scientologists as they are still the same old
> Nazis that they ever were.
Ah, I see. Thankfully the fad is over. It was a fad you know. Believing
that you can forcefully change the beliefs of another.
> >I think I might
> > have asked to talk with her.
>
> You have no clue how fanatical RB became after having had contact with
> Friedrich Wilhelm Haack, Ingo Heinemann, and others. There is no way
> to talk to somebody who was convinced that kidnapping and
> deprogramming is the way to go. She grinned like a fox in the hen
> house after the door was locked behind me. After she was arrested by
> police she still was of the opinion that her criminal actions were
> right, as all their extreme friends recommended it.
From reading your writings, I have some idea of the state she was in.
It's sad that she did what she did.
> > Now I don't approve of kidnapping people
> > and trying to deprogram them. It's illegal, inadvisable, and besides, my
> > guess is it usually doesn't work too well.
>
> It doesn't work at all with a real Scientologist. You are in that
> house and all you think is that when I get out of here, I bring you
> guys to justice for what you do to me.
Hey! What do you mean by "you guys"? *I* don't advocate deprogramming
and I never have. I doubt that many people posting here do.
> The reason it happened, the
> > reason there was a wave of it, was that suddenly many parents found
> > themselves terribly frightened by what was happening to their children,
> > and found that they could not *speak* with those children. Not in any
> > real way. So they did what they thought was best. People doing what they
> > think is best can often be mistaken. Talk can help.
>
> The lies that people spread about religions make the family members so
> crazy. I was always willing to talk. I was already kicked out by
> infiltrators in SCN when I was kidnapped. But that was not good
> enough. All I said to RB that I am, (in my late 20s at that time)
> wanted to move out of her flat and in my own apartment as I was tired
> of hearing from morning to night her hatred about my religion.
> Extremists want the total control about somebody, also the control
> over their inner thoughts, as they are nuts.
Sure some are probably lies or exagerations, some of the concerns are
grounded in the truth. And some parents are exactly as you describe
without interesting themselves in the religion of their children. Could
have been over skirt length, choice of music or friends, makeup,
whatever. Some people are like that. Some people are not cut out for
raising children, but there aren't any licensing laws for it!
> > > Moreover, when the German authorities kidnapped me from Copenhagen, I
> > > tried over and over to call a lawyer, but police, district attorneys
> > > and judges refused to let me speak to one. This is the real world,
> > > Peach, not being allowed to call a lawyer who will free you.
> >
> > I have never been totally clear from your accounts exactly what occurred
> > there.
> I wrote about that very detailed in my installments Barbara Schwarz
> reveals shocking news.
Oh, I should probably read it again. It was just confusing to me.
> >In the USA I believe they let you make a phone call! No wonder
> > you are so determined to stay here.
>
> In Germany you have also the right to contact an attorney and make a
> call. But as I said, a Scientologist is really something like a Jew in
> Germany and you just don't have the rights that other people have.
Germany's stance towards Scientology is certainly fraught with irony,
I'll give you that!
> > > > > I don't think I would like myself if I would be afraid to step on
> > > > > criminal people's feets or would not throw objects at their heads as
> > > > > soon they captured me. I am proud of the person I am.
> > > > >
> > > > > Barbara Schwarz
> > > >
> > > > Oh, being proud of oneself doesn't preclude self-improvement or
> > > > developement, does it?
> > > No, it doesn't.
> > > You do have the right to change, if you like.
> > >
> > > If I am proud of my character, why would I want to change it?
> > >
> > > Barbara Schwarz
> > > >
> > > > Peach
> >
> > Well Barbara, I keep remembering the incident where that police officer
> > hurt your arm, and I keep remembering the incident with the waitress.
>
> That is not fair, Peach, as I did not provoke any of those people. I
> did not provoke the waitress. You would have said same to her as I
> did. Calmly, that I paid for my food, that nobody was waiting for the
> table, that I am not ready to leave yet.
>
> And as far as policeman Duncan and the U.S. Marshal is concerned, I
> did not provoke them either. I was just standing there, not talking,
> not fighting, when they decided to break my arm. I am a target of
> persecution, Peach, there is no other way to explain my life.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Ah, you *can* explain it other ways. Who indeed has not met an
unreasonable waitress? The only safe thing you can do in a situation
when you are asked in a restaurant to either order more or to leave, is
to either order more or leave. You never know how people will react to
being challenged once they've decided to exercise their authority. Are
people always reasonable? No. They aren't. Do they always read
situations correctly? No. They don't. Do they always exercise charity
and tolerance? Nope again. Informing them of these facts can lead to
really unpleasant situations. Gotta pick your battles.
As for police officers, it's good to remember that what you and I might
think of as an inoffensive attitude may not be seen that way by them by
reason of their training and their high stress jobs. If you have come to
their attention, it's quite likely that you are already on the losing
side of the equation, and things can escalate quickly. I'm not saying
it's right, I'm saying that's how it is. I imagine that I've been in a
couple of situations where a policeman might have *wanted* to break my arm.
; )
Peach
Rasta Robert
>
> But in the very important things concerning my life, I do not err. My
> memory to the submarine village is so graphic, that I impossible could
> have made it up. I can draw a blueprint of that place that I recall as
> Chattanooga, Utah.
The Chanatooga Choo-choo?
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"Yet some parents have even been charged with child abuse for
refusing to drug their children."
- Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
================================================================
> Adults can stop taking a destructive drug, but how many kids are
> allowed to make that decision? The victims in the psychiatric world
> are very much so the children, no doubt.
>
>
> Forced mental screening hits roadblock in House
> Rep. Ron Paul seeks to yank program, decries use of drugs on children
>
> ------------------
> Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, plans to offer an amendment in the House of
> Representatives today that would remove from an appropriations bill a
> new
> mandatory mental-health screening program for America's children.
>
>
> "The American tradition of parents deciding what is best for their
> children
> is, yet again, under attack," writes Kent Snyder of the Paul-founded
> Liberty
> Committee. "The pharmaceutical industry has convinced President Bush
> to
> support mandatory mental-health screening for every child in America,
> including preschool children, and the industry is now working to
> convince
> Congress as well."
>
> <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39078> As
> WorldNetDaily reported, the New Freedom Initiative recommends
> screening not
> only for children but eventually for every American. The initiative
> came out
> of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which President Bush
> established in 2002.
>
>
> Critics of the plan say it is a thinly veiled attempt by drug
> companies to
> provide a wider market for high-priced antidepressants and
> antipsychotic
> medication, and puts government in areas of Americans' lives where it
> does
> not belong.
>
>
> Writes Snyder: "The real payoff for the drug companies is the forced
> drugging of children that will result - as we learned tragically with
> Ritalin - even when parents refuse."
>
>
> Paul's amendment to the Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act
> for
> Fiscal Year 2005 would take the new program out of the funding bill.
>
>
> The congressman, who is known for his strict adherence to the
> Constitution,
> wrote in a letter to his colleagues: "As you know, psychotropic drugs
> are
> increasingly prescribed for children who show nothing more than
> children's
> typical rambunctious behavior. Many children have suffered harmful
> effects
> from these drugs. Yet some parents have even been charged with child
> abuse
> for refusing to drug their children. The federal government should not
> promote national mental-health screening programs that will force the
> use of
> these psychotropic drugs such as Ritalin."
>
>
> The New Freedom Commission found that "despite their prevalence,
> mental
> disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive
> mental-health
> screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.
>
>
> The commission said, "Each year, young children are expelled from
> preschools
> and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and
> emotional
> disorders."
>
>
> Schools, the panel concluded, are in a "key position" to screen the 52
> million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.
>
>
> The state of Illinois has already approved its own mental-health
> screening
> program, the Children's Mental Health Act of 2003, which will provide
> screening for "all children ages 0-18" and "ensure appropriate and
> culturally relevant assessment of your children's social and emotional
> development with the use of standardized tools."
>
>
> Members of the Illinois Children's Mental Health Partnership have held
> several public hearings on the program in recent months, hearing from
> parents and others who oppose the mandatory screening.
>
>
> Karen R. Effrem, M.D., is a physician and leading opponent of
> mandatory
> screening. She is on the board of directors of
> <http://www.edwatch.org/>
> EdWatch, an organization that actively opposes federal control of
> education.
>
>
>
> "I am concerned, especially in the schools, that mental health could
> be used
> as a wedge for diagnosis based on attitudes, values, beliefs and
> political
> stances - things like perceived homophobia," Effrem told
> WorldNetDaily.
>
>
> "There are several violence-prevention programs that do say if a
> person is
> homophobic, they could be considered potentially violent."
>
>
> Continued Effrem: "This mental-health program could be used as an
> enforcement tool to impose a very politically correct, anti-American
> curriculum."
>
>
> Effrem emphasized the new program has no guarantees of parental
> rights,
> noting some children have died because parents were coerced to put
> their
> kids on psychiatric medications.
>
>
> Snyder says the following groups have come out in opposition to the
> screening program: Eagle Forum, Gun Owners of America, the Association
> of
> American Physicians and Surgeons, Concerned Women of America, Freedom
> 21,
> the Alliance for Human Research Protection, and the International
> Center for
> the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology.
>
>
> A screening program in Paul's home state began nearly ten years ago.
> The
> Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the New
> Freedom
> Commission as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an
> evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."
>
>
> The TMAP - started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the
> pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas and the mental health
> and
> corrections systems of Texas - also was praised by the American
> Psychiatric
> Association, which called for increased funding to implement the
> overall
> plan.
>
>
> But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania
> government
> employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had
> received
> money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.
>
>
> Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector
> General
> says in his <http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf>
> whistleblower report the "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that
> developed
> the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive
> antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, was behind the
> recommendations of
> the New Freedom Commission, which were "poised to consolidate the TMAP
> effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness
> with
> expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly
> side
> effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab."
>
>
> Jones points out, according to a British Medical Journal report,
> companies
> that helped start the Texas project are major contributors to Bush's
> re-election. Also, some members of the New Freedom Commission have
> served on
> advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct
> ties to
> TMAP.
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40365