Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
Mistmagoo55
as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
To the rest, good bye.
In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
Is what is true.
Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
Just a person (HA!) in Burbank....fooled ALL of you, huh? If you want to see
Magoo.............go to Xenu TV, and look at
Can Dianetics Cure Arthritus
The GIRL is Magoo!
LOLOLOL!
For those few who have helped me, thank you. For the rest....who I must say
have been a bit over the top, listen to Andreas. He is right, and he has helped
me the most,
Sure, I came on as a total "prick" this I know. And I did the LIE THERAPY, only
because I had 2 interet Accounts, and kept screwing them up. As you all so
cleverly kept pointing out. So I put in the "we" and "us" to CMA.
LOL
So there ya go. But July 8 or so, something cracked. I started reading and
loooking for the first time in phew............a LONG time.
I am Mid OT7 (was on it for 7 long years....and NO! Please do NOT call me,
FLAG, IT is SO over, and has been since DM announced we were only using 3 out
of the 59 tools. AT an audience of 1000's????/ COME ON MAN!)...and have been a
Scientologist for 30 years. Lots of fun stories. But as one party is over,
another one starts. So NOW will anyone meet with me? (from THIS group)?:)
e-mail ONLY.
And then, after being in debt 60K...from doing OT 7 for 7 years....now we are
told it will just be another 25K for each of us, to get back on.
RIGHT> makes sense, huh?
Well, I am off for now. Not sure what I will be doing, but I hope we will be in
touch again in the near future.
What Andy said is SO true, though....you have to learn to listen and watch for
clues.
I have been begging to meet with SOMEONE ANYONE for weeks now.
OK< sure, I have been my usual Magoo asshole....but between it, there WAS music
being played, and some of you have to learn to be better listeners.
Keep dancin....see ya all soon!
Magoo~really dancin now~
Also, I just lost my best friend because of this, and will no doubt lose most
of my dear friends, so please don't just be mean. I really do need to hear from
some of you that I have asked to talk with......
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
find a safe harbor.
And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
Magoo.
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
---------------------------------------------------------------
"If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
and ignorance which does harm." -- Marcus Aurelius
---------------------------------------------------------------
JimDBB
>From: mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55)
>Date: 7/19/00 5:19 PM Central
>
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
Good for you. we celebrate you
.>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
Would you be related to Paul Bezazian who was a Chicago area scientologist some
years back?
JImDBB
John Dorsay
>
> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
I'm sure that all of us will do what we can to help you through what
will undoubtedly be a time of tremendous highs and lows for you. Feel
free to email me any time. You can reach me at dors...@mcmaster.ca
My utmost respect and best wishes go to both you and Andreas.
Welcome, Tory.
--
Regards, John
Exceedingly Rude and Discourteous Psychiatric Pawn
Read about Scientology and the abuse of survivors of brain injury:
ptsc
>Also, I just lost my best friend because of this, and will no doubt lose >most
>of my dear friends, so please don't just be mean. I really do need to >hear from
>some of you that I have asked to talk with......
I won't apologize for any of my nastiness toward you. . .
well, except for the goatse thing, that was out of line.
All I want to say is "Wow."
Anyway I won't be mean, I'll just stay out of the way.
Andreas is nicer than I am, glad you got in touch with him.
ptsc
Mark Bunker
"Shy David www.xenu.net" <shy_...@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:397641df...@nntp.lightlink.com...
> On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
> > To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> > as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
> syndicate. You did not "leave," and you did not do so voluntarily.
You're incorrect on this, David. Time to forgive Magoo and focus on Tory
who is a good person.
Capt. Angst
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my
Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
Church.
>
>
>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>
WOW. OK. But here's the thing, Tory...I'm not dancin'. This is a
sad day for you, and for your friends still in the Church. Sorry
I wasn't around to hear what Andreas said...doesn't matter,
really.
The point here, and I'm hoping that you grasp this and hold to
it for dear life over the next little while, is that we (I)
wasn't ever actually trying to talk you out of your beliefs.
Weird they may have been, but so's just about every
legitaimate "ism" on the planet, man. They are what they are.
Some (maybe not all) can and might still be VALID for YOU.
I think most of us(don't know quite who I'm speaking for here)
are big enough to give you that. Look at all the FreeZoner's
here.
It's not about whether ALL the Tech is wrong, or ALL the Tech is
right. It's about the ability to use it without cow-towing to
the God of Greed and Power that Hubbard set himself up to be,
and that Miscavige (or the US Gov't through the BOD RTC) have
carried on in Standard fashion.
I have never personally desired the destruction of the Church.It
may not particularily ACT like a religion yet...but there's hope.
Hubbard wrote that "the basic overt act is making someone else
want mest." And the fact that he can so boldy proclaim his
INTENTION of creating this condition for everyone on the planet
(what else is Co$ but the production and sale of MEST?)belies
the fact that he was, if not evil, then at least deeply sick.
You've got ears to listen to you, hearts to console you.
Don't give up now - you've taken your first step on the road to
real, meaningful freedom.
Angst
NEQAUMQUAM VACUUM
-----------------------------------------------------------
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
http://www.keen.com
Lord High Commissioner
Good for you Tory! Be brave and hang in there. I really hope you
find someone nearby to talk with. There'll always be someone
here.
Oh yeah, if it will make you feel better (I know I've been nasty
at times), you can *trash* the ol' Lord High Commissioner any
old time. <grin> You're worth it!
Now *I* feel like dancing!
* L Ron Hubbard * Felon * Mental Case * Bigamist * Dead *
Lord High Commissioner
>On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55)
wrote:
>
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my
Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
Church.
>
>
>For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
>back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
>happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
>there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
>find a safe harbor.
>
>And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>Magoo.
Would somebody please find me a rock so I can crawl under it and
disappear? I am much humbled by Tory's situation... I had my
*fucking* blinders on so damn tight I couldn't see a cry for
help.
My hat is off to you, Andreas.
Saint Xine
<wis...@cyberstation.net> wrote:
>
>Good luck Tory!!!
>
>Alan
>
>Subject: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
> Date: 07/19/2000
> Author: Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com>
>
>
>
> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church, as of
>this date, July 20th, 2000 I have
> officially left the Church.
>
> Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
>
> Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>
> Also, I just lost my best friend because of this, and will no doubt lose
>most of my dear friends, so please
> don't just be mean. I really do need to hear from some of you that I have
>asked to talk with......
What a happy ending! Makes my day, it does!
Saint Xine
Saint Xine
<mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote:
>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>>Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
>>
>>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>>
>>To the rest, good bye.
>>
>>In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
>>
>>Is what is true.
>>
>>
>>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
>[...]
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>From letters to the editor of the Los Angeles Times on May 5th:
>[...]
>
>"I read the article in the Westside Weekly written on April 21 by
>Marcela Rojas about Scientologists helping clean up the beach. I would
>like to correct one thing, and that is to say Scientology is a
>'moneymaking venture' is not only false, but creates hatred and
>defamation toward our group. Having studied and used the tools of
>Scientology in my life for 30-some years, I know first hand that we are
>an active group who does believe in bettering our world. - TORY
>BEZAZIAN, Burbank "
>
>Message-ID: <8euqga$1...@netaxs.com>
>
>
>++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
>
>SMC-2 1 Jan 60 Responsibility
>
>Transcript of lecture by L. Ron Hubbard SMC-2 "State of
>Man Congress" lectures.
>
>RESPONSIBILITY
>A lecture given on 1 January 1960
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Xine
but this is scary:
>[Clearsound checked against the old reel. Omissions marked ">".]
>
>
>It's a scroll!
>
>Oh, wow! I better not read this. Well, I'll just post it
>and won't read it. Okay?
>
>Audience: No. Read it.
>
>Says, "To L. Ron Hubbard: In behalf of the peoples of this
>planet, as a token of our gratitude for your tremendous
>gift to mankind and in celebration of the consolidation of
>Scientology throughout the world this past year, we present
>this globe to you the first day of January 1960. The
>Central Organizations of the world." And they are listed.
>
>That's very lovely and that's very unexpected and probably
>completely undeserved.
>[...]
>
>> You know, I'd like to introduce just a few people here
>> very rapidly at this congress, just to show you it is a
>> congress. OK? May I?
>>
>> Audience: Yes.
>>
>> Alright.
>[...]
>> Well, let me introduce Wing and Smokey Angel. Let me
>> introduce Jack and Melodie Horner here. And Tom Maxwell.
>> And Mr. and Mrs. Bezazian. There're just so many people to
>> introduce to you that I'm just going to have to carry this
>> out the rest of the congress. Right now, let me introduce
>> you to you. Hello!
>>
>> Audience: Hello.
>
>Okay, let's get down to something here that's very
>important, shall we? Let's get down to some technology.
>[...]
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lianna Skywalker
> Magoo~really dancin now~
We're dancing with you, babe.
--
Lianna Skywalker
http://freespeech.org/liannaskywalker
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Shy David www.xenu.net
> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
Nope: you were "offloaded." You were no longer useful to the crime
syndicate. You did not "leave," and you did not do so voluntarily.
---
"I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm
Lieberman: "so you welcome this [lawsuit] as a training exercise?"
Henson: "I didn't expect it to happen, but when it did I decided I'd enjoy it."
Me: SP4 PTS256
Mistmagoo55
>From: jim...@aol.com (JimDBB)
>Date: 7/19/00 3:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000719185112...@ng-fm1.aol.com>
>
>>Subject: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
>
>.>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
>
>Would you be related to Paul Bezazian who was a Chicago area scientologist
>some
>years back?
>
>JImDBB
>
road and doesn't know of this...so that may be another party over. PHEW>>>>>>>
Why does this have to be so Fucking hard???? That ain't right. Not at all.
And hi to my old OSA friends....I'll never tell a soul :) And you know
who...now you can OFFICALLY say "I KNEW IT!"
Yup you were right. Just a wild thang that loves people....and that just
wouldn't do would it?
CYA
Magoo/ TORY :) Dancin~ despite losing my two best friends today~
Kaeli
Congratulations
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
> >To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> >as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
> I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
>
> For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
> back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
> happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
> there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
> find a safe harbor.
>
> And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
> Magoo.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
> Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
> home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> "If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
> thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
> never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
> and ignorance which does harm." -- Marcus Aurelius
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
Kaeli A.
(KoX)
ka...@klis.com
"In this fateful hour, all heaven with its power, the sun with its
brightness, the snow with its whiteness, the fire with all the strength it
hath, the lightning with its rapid wrath, the winds with their swiftness,
the sea with its deepness, the rocks with its starkness, All these I
place, Between myself and the powers of darkness."
Madeline L'Engle, "A Swiftly Twilting Planet"
Kaeli
Congratulations, and best of luck to you.
Thank you Andreas for being with Tory during this time :-)
I wish you the best of luck at this time, and hope you will be well in future.
John Dorsay wrote:
> Mistmagoo55 wrote:
> >
> > To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> > as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
> >
> > Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
> >
> > Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
> >
> > To the rest, good bye.
> >
> > In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
> >
> > Is what is true.
> >
> > Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
> >
> I'm sure that all of us will do what we can to help you through what
> will undoubtedly be a time of tremendous highs and lows for you. Feel
> free to email me any time. You can reach me at dors...@mcmaster.ca
>
> My utmost respect and best wishes go to both you and Andreas.
>
> Welcome, Tory.
>
> --
> Regards, John
> Exceedingly Rude and Discourteous Psychiatric Pawn
>
> Read about Scientology and the abuse of survivors of brain injury:
>
> http://www.parishioner.org/lopez.html
--
Kaeli
Andreas has been extraordinarily patient, much more than I could have been. Let's
welcome Tory, and wish her the best.
"Shy David www.xenu.net" wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
> > To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> > as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
> Nope: you were "offloaded." You were no longer useful to the crime
> syndicate. You did not "leave," and you did not do so voluntarily.
> ---
> "I want to dance." --- Lisa McPherson, 18 Nov 95 http://holysmoke.org/lm/lm.htm
> Lieberman: "so you welcome this [lawsuit] as a training exercise?"
> Henson: "I didn't expect it to happen, but when it did I decided I'd enjoy it."
> Me: SP4 PTS256
--
Deana Marie Holmes
The Cardinal
>
Lost 2? gained.... dozens.
have a stiff drink and watch the sunrise Tory. Feel the world around you as a
friend and not a bunch of wogs... <grins>
Tony
VIIseven7
"Mistmagoo55" <mistm...@aol.com> wrote...
> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
Church.
Just got back to the ng after a trip to Florida... what a wonderful
surprise!
Congratulations, Tory! :)
I hope things go as smoothly as possible for you from here on out... I
can't imagine what a huge transition this must be for you. We're
behind ya, FWIW.
-------
VIIseven7
Lronscam
Hash: SHA1
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:15:06 GMT, Kaeli <ka...@klis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>
>> >To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>> >as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>> I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
>>
>> For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
>> back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
>> happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
>> there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
>> find a safe harbor.
>>
>> And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>> Magoo.
I never jumped on Magoo. I just killfiled him. :)
Too bad I missed his message, and most of the replies to him at his departure
from Scn'gy.
For anyone else who missed it, you can read it from Dejanews at this URL:
http://x67.deja.com/threadmsg_md.xp?thitnum=15&mhitnum=0&CONTEXT=964055654.1195901006&new=0
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Mike O'Connor
mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
>Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
>
>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>
>To the rest, good bye.
>
>In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
>
>Is what is true.
>
>
>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
[...]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From letters to the editor of the Los Angeles Times on May 5th:
[...]
"I read the article in the Westside Weekly written on April 21 by
Marcela Rojas about Scientologists helping clean up the beach. I would
like to correct one thing, and that is to say Scientology is a
'moneymaking venture' is not only false, but creates hatred and
defamation toward our group. Having studied and used the tools of
Scientology in my life for 30-some years, I know first hand that we are
an active group who does believe in bettering our world. - TORY
BEZAZIAN, Burbank "
Message-ID: <8euqga$1...@netaxs.com>
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
SMC-2 1 Jan 60 Responsibility
Transcript of lecture by L. Ron Hubbard SMC-2 "State of
Man Congress" lectures.
RESPONSIBILITY
A lecture given on 1 January 1960
It's a scroll!
Audience: No. Read it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--
SCIENTOLOGY IS SECRETLY A UFO CULT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com>
<http://www.leptonicsystems.com>
Mistmagoo55
>Date: 7/19/00 9:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000720001948...@ng-cp1.aol.com>
(big smile) Thank you! Laughing....like the plan. Thanks again.
Tory/ magoo :)
Michael Reuss
>> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
My first instinct was to say "congratulations." But I realize that
this might sound somewhat inappropriate at a time like this. So,
instead, how about if I just say "welcome."
Welcome back to the wog world. Welcome to freedom from command grades,
freedom from registrars. And mostly, welcome back to congregation with
people who Scientology tries to teach are inferior. I hope it won't
take too long before you realize that this teaching is untrue.
I'd recommend that you try not to worry too much about the future of
your spirit and all that for right now. There's plenty of time to
straighten out all that later. But know that there really is life
after Co$. And it can be a very good life.
About a.r.s... You might already realize this, but a.r.s has shown
itself in the past to be, er, well, not the best place for newly
departed Scientologists, especially for those who are emotionally
distraught about the loss of an important part of their lives. I do
understand that this can be a very real loss for some people.
I don't know much about you. But be aware that you may need a grieving
period to put a little time between you and the things of the past.
Take that time. And take a little extra time for just resting and
relaxing. If a.r.s routinely upsets you, don't read it. Tune it out.
When you're ready, try to forgive all the people you think have done
you wrong, and especially be ready to forgive yourself, if you end up
seeing some of your own mistakes and feel bad or guilty about them. We
all make mistakes. Our character is defined by how well we learn and
grow from them. Out here in the wog world, you get second chances if
you happen to screw up, but you're genuinely sorry and you seek to
learn from your mistakes.
I truly and honestly want to assure you that in spite of the sometimes
frenetic and hostile surface that a.r.s shows to personas such as
"Magoo," there really is a lot of concern, caring, and desire to help
among the critics here. I know that sometimes that isn't the most
obvious thing... but we're especially sympathetic to people in your
shoes.
If you need something, help, information, even some money, or if you
just need a shoulder to cry on, hell, just ask. I think people here
will fall all over themselves to oblige you. They've done it in the
past for others. And I personally promise to help you in any ways I
can.
So, good luck, and once again, welcome back to the wog world. ;-)
Michael Reuss
Honorary Kid
Saint Xine
>>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
>>
>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>>
Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
But a few months ago, you were writing letters to the editor in
defense of scn.
And your husband's parents were in scientology.
And you say you how this doesn't blow your marriage and you're doing
this while he's traveling. (and you've been able to keep a marriage
going for 24 years pulling surprises like this?).
Your posts have outnumbered everyone else here by a long shot.
And the people you've wanted to talk to are pretty much the high
profile people around here.
I've already jumped on this bandwagon without thinking, but even
so....
Could you please post your resignation letter?
Then I'll feel a whole lot better and not like such a cynic.
Xine
Anti Magoo
A G
--------------
Memory: On a 7/9/00 post to a topic re: "Letter to Scientology Public
Relations," Mistmagoo55 confirms in writing that TRUTH is found on
www.parishioners.org >>> BEWARE!!!!
--------------
Don't want your body parts eaten by a UFO cult leader? Protect yourself
& GO TO --->
http://www.geocities.com/spacecootie/
Eric Bohlman
: Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
:
: But a few months ago, you were writing letters to the editor in
: defense of scn.
That, in itself, doesn't strike me as at all strange. As Eric Hoffer
observed in _The True Believer_, and as others have observed in their own
experiences, it's people who are *insecure* in their beliefs, who have
nagging doubts, who make a big deal of promoting those beliefs in
public. Aggressive proselytization is really an attempt to convince
*oneself* that one's beliefs are worth holding. People who are fully
committed to their beliefs, and who have little or no doubts because
they've examined their beliefs, don't tend to preach; if they want to
"spread the word," they try to do it by setting an example. I rather
suspect that Tory's letters to the editor were her attempts to persude
herself to stay in.
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
wrote:
>>
>>>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
>>>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>>
>>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>>>
>
>Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
I'm asking myself, what are we risking by believing in and trusting
others when they say they are out? I don't get it. Are we afraid
we'll loose credibility if it turns out someone have lied to us and
we believed them?
I'm willing to trust Tory on her word, regardless. It's not about
giving something away that you will not get back. I trust others
from the start, until it is proven that they are not trustworthy.
There will always be trolls, and the more we expect them the more
people will find it funny to create them for us. Just the which
hunt some start here on ARS when suspicion arises is enough for
CoS to send some in just to make us look bad. So what if we
talked friendly to a CoS troll, so what if we gave them trust
and listened to their story, so what if we made a good impression
to the visitors of ARS, so what if we were better examples than
the Scientologists we criticize???
What are we afraid off, admitting later that we trusted someone who
turned out to be lying to us??? So what?
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
Pho: +47 90 94 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
---------------------------------------------------------------
"Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could
have acted, the indifference of those who should have known
better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered
most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
- Haile Selassie
---------------------------------------------------------------
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:47:43 GMT.
>In Message-ID: <kmbcns0nfvkcr67d0...@4ax.com>
>From: Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net>.
>Organization: Operation Clambake.
>Wrote on the subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!:
>
>>On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>
>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>>I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
>>
>>For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
>>back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
>>happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
>>there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
>>find a safe harbor.
>>
>>And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>>Magoo.
>>
>
>Hell Andreas, don't be so naive. This idiot Magoo/africa have been
>spewing more than 2700 articles to a.r.s in just over one month. If it
>is some scientologist that just decided to leave the cult or not, is
>totally irrelevant to me. It's a fucking spammer, and a loon. Just as
>trustworthy as Garry Scarff.
Part of the problem with Garry Scarff has been you Sten, sorry
to say. I'm not afraid to give others some trust if that's all
they ask for. I got absolutely nothing to loose, just a lot to
win. I'm here to do something _better_, no quarrel and waste
time.
I'd rather trust too many than miss one that might need it. When
I'm wrong I'll admit it and move on.
>Can't you even see from the thousands of Magoo articles, that it's more
>than one person that have been writing them??
It's not important right now, but I'll assume you will be on
top of that.
>If this indeed is an OT-7 who decided to play with a.r.s, and now is
>leaving the crime cult, that says more about the screwed up head of that
>said OT-7 than anything else. A troll that lasts for more than 2700
>articles, must surely be some really fucked up idiot.
If that was the case then your attitude to it does absolutely no
good. If you're wrong you do more harm than good.
Even if you meet a really hard core scenio there is always hope
and those are the ones worth spending extra time on. There is
no point in making then dig deeper trenches, absolutely no point
at all.
>Magoo(africa acted like an asshole, and it's still an asshole in my
>book.
She admitted that she acted poorly, but so have you and I.
She has admitted it to us and is willing to move on now. I
don't find it so very difficult to understand why she acted
like she did, while you obviously can't. Other than
assuming she is a troll, whatever good that's supposed to
gain...
>If you believe this idiot, then that is totally up to you. I will still
>treat Magoo, as a real danger from the crime cult. In my book, Magoo is
>still a hat from OSA.
What danger could a troll on ARS cause? I'll tell you. I CoS
troll could make us loose our grip and act like assholes. Or
they could fail because we treat them with dignity and show
others that we are here because we care. And that we really
have no secret agenda, we just honestly care.
>Yeah well, you believe in Tory, I DO NOT.
>
>I'm not falling for scams from the scam cult.
>
>Geeze Andreas, wake up and smell the roses.
I don't follow your logic here, Sten. You are the one
falling for their scam, the way you react is exactly why
they would create the scams.
barb
>
> >To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> >as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
> I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
>
> For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
> back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
> happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
> there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
> find a safe harbor.
>
> And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
> Magoo.
I would have missed this one, as Magoo's posts are being cancelled.
CONGRATULATIONS, MAGOO/TONY! There's a whole world just waiting for you
to play in it!
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
> Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
> home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> "If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
> thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
> never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
> and ignorance which does harm." -- Marcus Aurelius
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
barb
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does wierd and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com (see live Scientologists in their natural state!)
barb
>
> Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net> wrote:
> >On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55)
> wrote:
> >
> >>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my
> Church,
> >>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
> Church.
> >
> >I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
> >
> >For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
> >back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
> >happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
> >there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
> >find a safe harbor.
> >
> >And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
> >Magoo.
>
> disappear? I am much humbled by Tory's situation... I had my
> *fucking* blinders on so damn tight I couldn't see a cry for
> help.
>
> My hat is off to you, Andreas.
>
> * L Ron Hubbard * Felon * Mental Case * Bigamist * Dead *
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
> Up to 100 minutes free!
> http://www.keen.com
You can't take all the blame. A huge number of meaningless posts from
one or two identities is certainly not the way to make friends here.
Expecting readers to sift through the bullshit to find the "hidden
music" or whatever is nonsensical, as I felt these Magoo posts not worth
perusing very deeply.
Tory did exactly that. In hinting that 'something big' was coming,
knowing scientology, I figured whatever it was couldn't be good.
I was wrong. Just goes to show you how useless profiling can be! Of
course, it could have just all been part of Magoo's game, to make us
feel silly at the end. I don't feel silly, she could have been a bit
more forthright about it all. All that hinting around just annoyed me.
Kaeli
out. As for trusting someone who we find out later has been lying to us, it's
part of life experience. Yes, Andreas, you are right.
"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:16:04 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
> >>>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> >>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
> >>>>
> >
> >Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
>
> I'm asking myself, what are we risking by believing in and trusting
> others when they say they are out? I don't get it. Are we afraid
> we'll loose credibility if it turns out someone have lied to us and
> we believed them?
>
> I'm willing to trust Tory on her word, regardless. It's not about
> giving something away that you will not get back. I trust others
> from the start, until it is proven that they are not trustworthy.
>
> There will always be trolls, and the more we expect them the more
> people will find it funny to create them for us. Just the which
> hunt some start here on ARS when suspicion arises is enough for
> CoS to send some in just to make us look bad. So what if we
> talked friendly to a CoS troll, so what if we gave them trust
> and listened to their story, so what if we made a good impression
> to the visitors of ARS, so what if we were better examples than
> the Scientologists we criticize???
>
> What are we afraid off, admitting later that we trusted someone who
> turned out to be lying to us??? So what?
>
> Best wishes,
> Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
> Pho: +47 90 94 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
> home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> "Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could
> have acted, the indifference of those who should have known
> better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered
> most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
> - Haile Selassie
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
Kaeli A.
(KoX)
ka...@klis.com
"In this fateful hour, all heaven with its power, the sun with its
brightness, the snow with its whiteness, the fire with all the strength it
hath, the lightning with its rapid wrath, the winds with their swiftness, the
basic...@my-deja.com
mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
> >From: jim...@aol.com (JimDBB)
> >Date: 7/19/00 3:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <20000719185112...@ng-fm1.aol.com>
> >
> >>Subject: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
> >>From: mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55)
> >>Date: 7/19/00 5:19 PM Central
> >
> >>
> >>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
Church.
> >
> >
> >.>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
> >
> >Would you be related to Paul Bezazian who was a Chicago area
scientologist
> >some
> >years back?
> >
> >JImDBB
> >
> > Thank you ! Yup...married to his son, although unfortunately he is
on the
> road and doesn't know of this...so that may be another party over.
PHEW>>>>>>>
>
> Why does this have to be so Fucking hard???? That ain't right. Not
at all.
>
> And hi to my old OSA friends....I'll never tell a soul :) And you
know
> who...now you can OFFICALLY say "I KNEW IT!"
>
> Yup you were right. Just a wild thang that loves people....and that
just
> wouldn't do would it?
> CYA
>
>
Hi Tory,
Have you until today(or yesterday) been working for OSA?
It may be difficult to convince others that you can be trusted now.
A start would be to post to ARS all the inside information you have on
their currant ops.And past ones.If your for real congratulations.
basicbasic
Steve Zadarnowski
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
And when exactly did this miracle happen, and how exactly did
Andreas *confirm* this?
I *can't* believe I read this post despite telling magoo in
Email this very DAY that hell would freeze over before I'd
read another word Magoo posted in ARS.
Magoo remains plonked. I can't believe you people let the
biggest producer of complete *tripe* in megavolume for
the last three months turn your brains to ScienoJelly
after Andreas lets himself get conned.
"Oh! I'm really a *girl*!!" Jesus Christ. That's an
old one. Send me a scan of the driver's licence...
Bollocks, I say, Bollocks.
"Oh! We're so *happy* for you!" **BARF**
And me in adversarial one-on-one email with Magoo
up to 8 bleeding hours ago!
I wonder *where* Magoo has travelled too this Thursday?
Verily, IR Pissed.
S
Saint Xine
www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:47:43 GMT.
>In Message-ID: <kmbcns0nfvkcr67d0...@4ax.com>
>From: Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net>.
>Organization: Operation Clambake.
>Wrote on the subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!:
>
>>On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>
>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>>I'm proud of you Tory! :-)))))))
>>
>>For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
>>back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
>>happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
>>there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
>>find a safe harbor.
>>
>>And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>>Magoo.
>>
>
>If this indeed is an OT-7 who decided to play with a.r.s, and now is
>leaving the crime cult, that says more about the screwed up head of that
>said OT-7 than anything else. A troll that lasts for more than 2700
>articles, must surely be some really fucked up idiot.
>
Or someone in a manic episode of some magnitude who is about to be
identified as in "case trouble" and possibly "helped" by her church.
The entire magoo thing is nuts and it smells very manic to me (and I
mean clinically).
Maybe I'm a patsy but on the chance that somebody else needs help, I'm
inclined to take a risk (with due precautions).
Xine
805 967-9806
Steve Zadarnowski
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
This and 34 other posts.
So without my having to read this shit, who is going to mail
me the proof?
S
Mike O'Connor
<bfbdns84ja162ec1g...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>,
?Anti-Cult? - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/
<The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com> wrote:
[...]
>Clue3: No need for any more clues.
[...]
Here is an anagram for Lafayette Ronald Hubbard:
Baldhead betrayal - Tory fun.
Saint Xine
>Saint Xine (xi...@altavista.net) wrote:
>: Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
>:
>: But a few months ago, you were writing letters to the editor in
>: defense of scn.
>
>That, in itself, doesn't strike me as at all strange. As Eric Hoffer
>observed in _The True Believer_, and as others have observed in their own
I forgot about that book!
>experiences, it's people who are *insecure* in their beliefs, who have
>nagging doubts, who make a big deal of promoting those beliefs in
>public. Aggressive proselytization is really an attempt to convince
>*oneself* that one's beliefs are worth holding. People who are fully
>committed to their beliefs, and who have little or no doubts because
>they've examined their beliefs, don't tend to preach; if they want to
>"spread the word," they try to do it by setting an example. I rather
>suspect that Tory's letters to the editor were her attempts to persude
>herself to stay in.
And to reinforce her support structure.
Most people who leave hit the skids big time for awhile. Ken Ogger
(Pilot) is getting that right now. I hid under a rock for a decade.
But there's a real euphoria when you first decide to leave.
Xine
Saint Xine
> I'm not afraid to give others some trust if that's all
>they ask for. I got absolutely nothing to loose, just a lot to
>win. .
>
He's Norwegian . :)
>I'd rather trust too many than miss one that might need it. When
>I'm wrong I'll admit it and move on.
>
>>Can't you even see from the thousands of Magoo articles, that it's more
>>than one person that have been writing them??
>
>It's not important right now, but I'll assume you will be on
>top of that.
>
Count on it.
...
>
>She admitted that she acted poorly, but so have you and I.
>She has admitted it to us and is willing to move on now. I
>don't find it so very difficult to understand why she acted
>like she did, while you obviously can't. Other than
>assuming she is a troll, whatever good that's supposed to
>gain...
>
I *really* want to see her resignation letter and her reasons for
leaving.
If she's real, she just threw away a 24 year marriage, and she's
pretty much on her own and about to start a new life.
Me, I'll take some risks to help. If she pulls me under, please throw
me a rope.
Xine
Saint Xine
>Agreed. I'll say this, if Magoo/Tory says she's out, then in my mind she's
>out. As for trusting someone who we find out later has been lying to us, it's
>part of life experience. Yes, Andreas, you are right.
>
>
>"Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:16:04 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >>>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
>> >>>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>> >>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>> >>>>
>> >
>> >Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
>>
>> I'm asking myself, what are we risking by believing in and trusting
>> others when they say they are out? I don't get it. Are we afraid
>> we'll loose credibility if it turns out someone have lied to us and
>> we believed them?
>>
>> I'm willing to trust Tory on her word, regardless. It's not about
>> giving something away that you will not get back. I trust others
>> from the start, until it is proven that they are not trustworthy.
>>
>> There will always be trolls, and the more we expect them the more
>> people will find it funny to create them for us. Just the which
>> hunt some start here on ARS when suspicion arises is enough for
>> CoS to send some in just to make us look bad. So what if we
>> talked friendly to a CoS troll, so what if we gave them trust
>> and listened to their story, so what if we made a good impression
>> to the visitors of ARS, so what if we were better examples than
>> the Scientologists we criticize???
>>
>> What are we afraid off, admitting later that we trusted someone who
>> turned out to be lying to us??? So what?
>>
You're right, Andreas. Thanks for the wake up.
We can take some risks and trust a little.
It doesn't mean we give her the PIN code.
Xine
Mistmagoo55
>Date: 7/19/00 4:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8l5efj$h8f$2...@kneejerk.databasix.com>
>
>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) doth bitch'd in
>alt.religion.scientology:
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>>
>>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>>
>>To the rest, good bye.
>>
>>In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
>>
>>Is what is true.
>>
>>
>>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
>>
>>
>posting, word for word, the Xenu story?
>
>Just copy and paste it from here to clear up any thought that you may be
>tricking us:
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/ot3.html
>
>It starts right after the second paragraph, and is clearly marked. Post it
>and no one will doubt you.
>
>Thanks, and best of luck with your newly rediscovered freedom.
>
Doubt all you want....my friends know.
Magoo/ Tory
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
Zadarnowski) wrote:
>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
>And when exactly did this miracle happen, and how exactly did
>Andreas *confirm* this?
I have never claimed that I can vouch for Tory,. I've said
that I trust her on her word in this case. If she tells me
she is out and asks for a talk then that is what our
relationship is based on. We have been talking by e-mail
and that's it.
>I *can't* believe I read this post despite telling magoo in
>Email this very DAY that hell would freeze over before I'd
>read another word Magoo posted in ARS.
>
>Magoo remains plonked. I can't believe you people let the
>biggest producer of complete *tripe* in megavolume for
>the last three months turn your brains to ScienoJelly
>after Andreas lets himself get conned.
Well if that's what it's all about then so be it. I'm not
claiming anything in this case but where I stand, and that
is that I am willing to take her word for it and if I in any
way can help her or anybody else through the hard times then
I will be more than willing to at least try to do so. If
being willing to listen and care on those terms is getting
conned then we disagree on that definition. I know very well
the odds here, contrary to what you and a few others seem to
believe. The whole debate is rather interesting.
I'm not betting my soul or my savings account, not even my
credibility IMO since I'm explaining very clearly on what
grounds I do this and in what way I'm involved. We're
different and we handle situations differently. Is it in
your opinion so bad if others are willing to listen when you
don't? Or do you believe that you know absolutely what is
right and what is not? I don't. Maybe there are someone out
there who would need an ear and a friend when you aren't
willing to offer it, will you still call that person conned
and one who has his brains turned into ScenioJelly?
If Tory would be fake, ask yourself what goals CoS would
have to create her. Are any of us likely to start sharing
ARSCC secrets with her? I didn't think there were any big
secrets among us. One of the big differences between "us"
and "them" is that we do this in the open and totally
disorganized. Would their goal be to infiltrate LMT for
example? Well let them try, I trust that the people at LMT
knows very well to what lengths CoS would go and aren't
going to start feeding critical data to someone just
because they declare on ARS that they've blown CoS. I
don't know what you guys out ther are imagining, but when
I say I choose to trust someone on their word that does not
mean I start feeding them my bank accounts, passwords to
internet accounts, personal communications with others, my
weak points, etc. For all I know you could be the OSA op
on ARS or I for that matter, but what is the point in
accusing anybody or treating them like they were before
you know? It's not likely that you and I are going
to exchange confidential data of any sort anyway, so why
should I not trust you as a friend? The way I operate my
involvement in this ordeal is to play with my cards open.
I have no master plan or dangerous secrets that CoS could
be interested in. I don't have to guard my words all the
time, except to honor confidentiality that I've promised
to others.
So why should I not give someone the trust they ask for,
as long as there could be a possibility that you are wrong
and they truly are sincere? What if I found Tory to be a very
nice person, behind all the things she's posted on ARS?
What if she truly was in the mess she says and needed a
little help? Are we better than CoS or not?
The alternative is simple: Scare away everybody, including
those we might have been able to help, or waste our
energy and time on a whitch hunt that has no other meaning
and result than pleaseing OSA who have managed to disturb
ARS and derail your attention. I'm _not_ going to jump onto
that bandwagon if I can help it and I believe that goes
for many critics of CoS.
You make your pick.
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
wrote:
>Me, I'll take some risks to help. If she pulls me under, please throw
>me a rope.
If anybody in her situation asks you to do something that could
"pull you under", then just say no. The help they are asking
for does not include anything like that.
Dave Bird
Lund - www. xenu. net <a...@xenu.net> writes:
>On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
For real? Hey, welcome back to the human race. Do talk to the
people at LMT, they won't eat you and they will not be angry that
you have been slagging them off before as part of your post.
If you have blown staff and need to re-contact family etc, there
are people behind the scenes who will help. Nobody will try to
"put you to work" as a critic: most ex-members just want out.
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Lord High Commissioner
>Lord High Commissioner wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net> wrote:
>> >On 19 Jul 2000 22:19:22 GMT, mistm...@aol.com
(Mistmagoo55)
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my
>> Church,
>> >>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left
the
>> Church.
>> >
>> >
>> >For the rest of you out there, take this opportunity to look
>> >back. What happened, do you understand the process? It
>> >happened right here in ARS. There are many more Tory's out
>> >there and they could all use some clever and caring SP's to
>> >find a safe harbor.
>> >
>> >And *please*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>> >Magoo.
>>
You're right.. no need for beating myself up. I can't help about
caring though - it's why I get angry with people who would take
advantage of others.
Anyway...
As for Tory, we'll know her in the end by her behavior. We can
give her the benefit of the doubt, limited by the tepid trust
she can only expect at this point.
STella
In article <8l5dp6$6...@drn.newsguy.com>, ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>mistm...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Also, I just lost my best friend because of this, and will no doubt lose >most
>>of my dear friends, so please don't just be mean. I really do need to >hear from
>>some of you that I have asked to talk with......
I'm not one of them, but I'm listening, should you ever want to talk.
>I won't apologize for any of my nastiness toward you. . .
Good. Sometimes, the job of a civilized person is to say "that's
unacceptable behavior", and while I hope to like Tory a lot and find
her an asset to the group once she chooses to return, Magoo earned the
response received, as I see it.
>well, except for the goatse thing, that was out of line.
It's cruel to administer a GENTLE dopeslap. I don't want to be MEAN,
but I DO want to make it unmistakeably clear when I see behavior I am
unwilling to accept. And if I am perceived as "mean" as a result,
well, I'll deal.
>All I want to say is "Wow."
>
>Anyway I won't be mean, I'll just stay out of the way.
I shall continue as I have begun. I will be "mean" when that seems
appropriate, and I will be gentle when THAT seems appropriate. And
because I'm human, sometimes I'll behave inappropriately. Since I
can't, being human, avoid that, it's just as well I accept it and try
to hear when people say "you blew it, fool!"
>Andreas is nicer than I am, glad you got in touch with him.
As I see it, there is room for both the overly-nice (I am NOT saying
Andreas is overly nice) and the overly-nasty (I am not saying either
ptsc or I fit there, consistently) in the wog world.
And just as I hope that if I go over the edge, I'll get dopeslapped
<ptock> with a hickory clue-by-four, if I determine that ptsc or Tory
or any of us have earned "grandmotherly kindness", I'll grin a
grandmaternal grin and DO it. Unless I find someone is locked into
victim-games, I assume people have the honor and honesty to take
responsibility for their actions, and I will treat them as I want to
be treated, which includes, now and then, the unwelcome message that
"that is NOT OK!" (Professional victims I generally plonk silently as
a waste of my time. Let someone else reach out to them -- I don't,
thank all the ghods, have to work alone.)
Tory (and the rest of you, too), I would like to ask a favor of you,
though we have no relationship that compels you to grant it: if you
believe that I'm behaving counter to my intent, which is to defend the
internet while leaving a door open for outbound scientologists, call
me on it. I don't promise to agree, I can't even promise to LIKE the
message, but I can promise to listen, think, and make my own decision.
I need, and will struggle to welcome <grin> input from people like
you, with vastly different experiences than my own.
Good luck to you, Tory, in reclaiming your freedom! I hope the next
year brings you more happiness than you can believe, and the one after
that still more.
Be good to yourself! You deserve it!
STella
pAtRiCk dArCy
"VIIseven7" <frai...@hot.nospam.mail.com> wrote:
>
> "Mistmagoo55" <mistm...@aol.com> wrote...
> > To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> > as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
> Church.
>
> Just got back to the ng after a trip to Florida... what a wonderful
> surprise!
>
> Congratulations, Tory! :)
>
> I hope things go as smoothly as possible for you from here on out... I
> can't imagine what a huge transition this must be for you. We're
> behind ya, FWIW.
>
> -------
> VIIseven7
>
>
same here mistamagoo, when u mentioned that u had left the
building i didnt realize what u meant. i thought u were going
someplace .
later pat :)
--
Hey now, didnt u mamma teach u anything
Don Henley
do u know what love means ?
mimus
>*[P]lease*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>Magoo.
Get real.
They propagandize, they attack, they spam, they get flamed.
And as a rational person, you yourself understand that there must
still be doubt as to whether this present situation is simply a new
"handling"-"operation"-with-double-agent, and that only time and
analysis can tell whether that is so.
>Best wishes,
>Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
>Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
>home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
Case 5/BTLA/SP1
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
wrote:
>Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net> posted:
>
>>*[P]lease*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>>Magoo.
>
>Get real.
>
>They propagandize, they attack, they spam, they get flamed.
>
>And as a rational person, you yourself understand that there must
>still be doubt as to whether this present situation is simply a new
>"handling"-"operation"-with-double-agent, and that only time and
>analysis can tell whether that is so.
I say remember your real reason for being here. If you reach
your "goals" by acting your way then fine, I'm just of the
opinion that there are a lot of counterproductive things
done on ARS by critics I respect and believe share the same
basic ideas. I've done my errors and I've tried to learn
from them. I'm no smarter or better than any of you and I
assume you do errors too.
Call it awareness or focus, it is easy to forget it. Emotions
does that with you.
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
Arnie Lerma <www.lermanet.com>
>>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>>>
>
>
>defense of scn.
>
>
>And you say you how this doesn't blow your marriage and you're doing
>this while he's traveling. (and you've been able to keep a marriage
>going for 24 years pulling surprises like this?).
>
>Your posts have outnumbered everyone else here by a long shot.
>
>And the people you've wanted to talk to are pretty much the high
>profile people around here.
>
>I've already jumped on this bandwagon without thinking, but even
>so....
>
>Could you please post your resignation letter?
>
>Then I'll feel a whole lot better and not like such a cynic.
>
>Xine
I would like you to post the OSA Confidential Project Order
for handling the newsgroup
Arnie
>
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Lori Ann Chauvette
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
Congratuations, Tory. I am so proud of the fact that the cult no longer has a
hold on you and you were finally able to see the truth behind the lies.
I have a hard time talking to people about things that are dear to me if they
aren't willing to listen. Oftentimes we hide our insecurities behind our
attitudes. And the way I see it, those who post in here who are spitting venom
towards anyone who criticizes the CoS are just victims themselves, so I try to
ignore it for the most part.
Again, congratulations on your return back to the real world. :-)
**********************************
Lori Ann Chauvette, SP3 -- taekwo...@aol.com
Independent Beauty Consultant
www.mymk.com/lchauvette
Ask Me About Skin Care! (603) 626-5361
**********************************
Saint Xine
<Arnie_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>In article <bh9dns0hgov4fd0q2...@4ax.com>, Saint says...
>>
>>>
>>>>In article <20000719181922...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
>>>>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>>>>
>>
>>Tory, I want to believe this. I really do.
>>
>>But a few months ago, you were writing letters to the editor in
>>defense of scn.
>>
>>And your husband's parents were in scientology.
>>
>>And you say you how this doesn't blow your marriage and you're doing
>>this while he's traveling. (and you've been able to keep a marriage
>>going for 24 years pulling surprises like this?).
>>
>>Your posts have outnumbered everyone else here by a long shot.
>>
>>And the people you've wanted to talk to are pretty much the high
>>profile people around here.
>>
>>I've already jumped on this bandwagon without thinking, but even
>>so....
>>
>>Could you please post your resignation letter?
>>
>>Then I'll feel a whole lot better and not like such a cynic.
>>
>>Xine
>
> I would like you to post the OSA Confidential Project Order
> for handling the newsgroup
>
> Arnie
>
I hope you were asking Ms. B. for that. :)
But if she doesn't come through, I'm sure we could write it ourselves.
And probably do a better job of it.
We know the purpose.
We know the major targets.
We know the target publics.
It shouldn't be too difficult to go from there.
I forget the format. Maybe I should clean through some of these old
boxes....
Let's give her a couple days. We already know she can't shut up.
Xine
Dave Bird
Hash: SHA1
In article<22afa8f7...@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>, Capt. Angst
<captangs...@aol.com.invalid> writes:
>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my
>Church,
>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
>Church.
>>
>>Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
>>
>>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>>
>
>WOW. OK. But here's the thing, Tory...I'm not dancin'. This is a
>sad day for you, and for your friends still in the Church. Sorry
>I wasn't around to hear what Andreas said...doesn't matter,
>really.
>
>The point here, and I'm hoping that you grasp this and hold to
>it for dear life over the next little while, is that we (I)
>wasn't ever actually trying to talk you out of your beliefs.
>Weird they may have been, but so's just about every
>legitaimate "ism" on the planet, man. They are what they are.
>Some (maybe not all) can and might still be VALID for YOU.
>I think most of us(don't know quite who I'm speaking for here)
>are big enough to give you that. Look at all the FreeZoner's
>here.
Well, we're talking two different things. The Tech is garbage;
raise the subject and I'll tell you so. But I don't have any
"stake" in talking you out of the Tech; it's no legitimate
interest of mine if you want to fill your head with rocks.
On the other hand, when you belong to a criminal organisation
which has injured me and mine, and are putting up money or labour
or just statements of support to prop it up.... you bet I actively
have an interest in separating YOU from IT (and all the other
supporters from it too, until it falls over).
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Mephistopheles51
>What are we afraid off, admitting later that we trusted someone who
>turned out to be lying to us??? So what?
Excellent post, Andreas. You're absolutely right.
As long as nothing personal is at stake, it doesn't hurt to take a person at
their word. It only becomes complicated after that.
Don't believe the hype*
*and it's all hype
To reply, remove the obvious.
mimus
>On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:09:44 GMT, tinmi...@hotmail.com (mimus)
>wrote:
>
>>Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net <a...@xenu.net> posted:
>>
>>>*[P]lease*, think twice before jumping all over the next
>>>Magoo.
>>
>>Get real.
>>
>>They propagandize, they attack, they spam, they get flamed.
>>
>>And as a rational person, you yourself understand that there must
>>still be doubt as to whether this present situation is simply a new
>>"handling"-"operation"-with-double-agent, and that only time and
>>analysis can tell whether that is so.
>
>I say remember your real reason for being here. If you reach
>your "goals" by acting your way then fine, I'm just of the
>opinion that there are a lot of counterproductive things
>done on ARS by critics I respect and believe share the same
>basic ideas. I've done my errors and I've tried to learn
>from them. I'm no smarter or better than any of you and I
>assume you do errors too.
You are a high-priority OSA target, in my humble opinion.
Anyway, handle away, each in his own way--you know the score better
than me.
>Call it awareness or focus, it is easy to forget it. Emotions
>does that with you.
>
>Best wishes,
>Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
>Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
>home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
--
Steve Zadarnowski
<The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com> wrote:
>They might have setup this magoo operation for a very special purpose,
>in a while we may very well be told, that Tory Bezazian have committed
>suicide, or just accidentally died or some such thing. Then they will
>blame the critics for it, and especially those stupid enough to have had
>E-mail communication with Magoo.
That'd be me. And I certainly cut Magoo no slack from the first post
to the last.
>I'm here to inform those that haven't been taken on the ride yet, to
>make sure that they know that scientology is bad news, and that there is
>no bridge to total freedom, only one hell of a bad ladder to hell.
True. Best leave the exiting Scienos to people who can give them
personal attention like the LMT. I'm certainly with you on that one.
>Why the hell would I bother about a few thousand souls within the cult,
>when there is billions of people out there to inform about the evil
>cult, to make sure that they never ever join.
Yup.
S
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com>
wrote:
>They might have setup this magoo operation for a very special purpose,
>in a while we may very well be told, that Tory Bezazian have committed
>suicide, or just accidentally died or some such thing. Then they will
Speculations, just as the ones suggesting you were OSA is.
>blame the critics for it, and especially those stupid enough to have had
>E-mail communication with Magoo.
So what you are telling us is that your advice is to never
communicate with scenios, since they might be a plant?
That gives great hope for helping anybody....
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
Pho: +47 90 94 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
Chris Leithiser
> Would somebody please find me a rock so I can crawl under it and
> disappear? I am much humbled by Tory's situation... I had my
> *fucking* blinders on so damn tight I couldn't see a cry for
> help.
>
> My hat is off to you, Andreas.
>
Same here. Behind even the mindless sporgeries were people who, sooner
or later, will be leaving the cult. Thanks for reminding us.
Thank you Andreas.
Capt. Angst
<snip>
>>The point here, and I'm hoping that you grasp this and hold to
>>it for dear life over the next little while, is that we (I)
>>wasn't ever actually trying to talk you out of your beliefs.
>>Weird they may have been, but so's just about every
>>legitaimate "ism" on the planet, man. They are what they are.
>>Some (maybe not all) can and might still be VALID for YOU.
>>I think most of us(don't know quite who I'm speaking for here)
>>are big enough to give you that. Look at all the FreeZoner's
>>here.
>
> Well, we're talking two different things. The Tech is garbage;
> raise the subject and I'll tell you so. But I don't have any
> "stake" in talking you out of the Tech; it's no legitimate
> interest of mine if you want to fill your head with rocks.
This is my take, too. It's like talking somone out of believeing
in UFO's....why waste yer breath when actual, physical proof is
so....well, absent?
>
> On the other hand, when you belong to a criminal organisation
> which has injured me and mine, and are putting up money or
labour
> or just statements of support to prop it up.... you bet I
actively
> have an interest in separating YOU from IT (and all the other
> supporters from it too, until it falls over).
My goal is to see the Church deserve the name. Then I'll leave
them alone.
So long as they fight dirty and act like thugs, I'll keep on
keepin' on.
Angst
>
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. : : ,; . : '
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> uno, due, tre, FUEGO! .:. .:. .:': :' .:':' :. . :
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> ' :' : :' : .::.
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> < > __ ,;;,. \\:://
R_) |
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Steve Zadarnowski
>On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:38:30 GMT, fan...@iinet.com.au (Steve
>Zadarnowski) wrote:
>
>>mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>>
>>>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>>>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>>
>>And when exactly did this miracle happen, and how exactly did
>>Andreas *confirm* this?
>
>I have never claimed that I can vouch for Tory,. I've said
>that I trust her on her word in this case. If she tells me
>she is out and asks for a talk then that is what our
>relationship is based on. We have been talking by e-mail
>and that's it.
Is that all? Talking by email? Well, I guess that's one
critic down and about three to go for actual proof.
>Well if that's what it's all about then so be it. I'm not
>claiming anything in this case but where I stand, and that
>is that I am willing to take her word for it and if I in any
>way can help her or anybody else through the hard times then
>I will be more than willing to at least try to do so.
You and me both. Only the transition to 'her' happened for
me on the 18th.
>Is it in
>your opinion so bad if others are willing to listen when you
>don't? Or do you believe that you know absolutely what is
>right and what is not? I don't. Maybe there are someone out
>there who would need an ear and a friend when you aren't
>willing to offer it, will you still call that person conned
>and one who has his brains turned into ScenioJelly?
This is the swiftest transition out, from clueless OSA
spam crew to angel of delight in seven days. I'm
certainly not tearing strips off you. You appeared to be
the focus and you'd been exchanging a lot of mail to which
none of us were party. I got the impression that you'd
validated her ticket.
I mean, after my 35 emails to her, when number 34 says
"I'm a girl" (not strictly true, she'd have to be older
than I am for Chrissakes) and number 36 says "I left the Cof$
today" - I would (and did to #34) say "Bullshit!" and
ask her what other fine illustrations of crap she could
come up with.
>If Tory would be fake, ask yourself what goals CoS would
>have to create her.
After Snow White and the Paulette Cooper affair, which
involved theft of gov't documents, the FBI, bomb threats,
breaking and entering, etc, etc, etc, I don't think we
need concern ourselves what the *goals* might be, as the
ways and means are obviously nothing that have scared the
Cof$ in the past and even this last 5 years have seen some
stunts that left many heads shaking.
What goals? Destruction of LMT, smashing the lives of
key critics. Obviously not important stuff like taking
over the world (per Pinky and The Brain).
S
spar...@my-deja.com
> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
Wow... it takes a lot of gumption to move away from something you have
so much invested in. I'm sure your friends in the church will play
your heart strings like a violin. If you go back, you can expect more
than a few marathon sec checks. If you don't go back, you can expect
your SP Declare in the mail. Even though you made a decision that is
good for you, and you will be happy with, you'll still go through a
grieving process. I hope you have friends *outside* the church who can
support you and help you keep your resolve.
Good luck and keep in touch!
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
Zadarnowski) wrote:
>none of us were party. I got the impression that you'd
>validated her ticket.
Then we have established that I never said or meant that I
vouched for her. Each of you need to make up your mind.
Like in everything else in your life. :)
Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund, Nunsteinvegen 9, N-4056 Tananger, Norway
Pho: +47 90 04 32 99 Fax: 90 32 35 46 E-mail: a...@xenu.net
home.sol.no/~spirous www.xenu.net www.hedning.no/hedning
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ptsc
>Lord High Commissioner wrote:
Regardless, sporge-criminals, whether or not they leave, should
be prosecuted criminally and civilly whenever possible, and
without mercy. The only exception is a sporge-criminal who
turn's state's evidence or offers to testify.
The Magoo posts were incredibly annoying, but only one burst
of them was cancellable spam. So they were a pain, but not
deserving of criminal prosecution like sporge.
>Thank you Andreas.
Yes, thanks Andreas, regardless of how this turns out.
ptsc
Phil Scott
>Chris Leithiser wrote:
>
>>Lord High Commissioner wrote:
>
>>> Would somebody please find me a rock so I can crawl under it and
>>> disappear? I am much humbled by Tory's situation... I had my
>>> *fucking* blinders on so damn tight I couldn't see a cry for
>>> help.
Oh bullshit. You are a bit new on the NG. And you came in the
same wave as the magoo clones and supporters. Just a coincidence
though Im sure.
Those of us who have been around for 6 or 7 years and picket etc, have
seen this sort of thing 500 times already. Its mostly cult ops to
date. The read deals read true you see, everything lines up....
When someone as twisted and perverse as magoo spams the NG with that
volume of posts its an indicator and it isnt a good one, no one owes
that sort of person any apology at all... In fact I do believe the
oposite is in order but guess what? No apology from magoo/ tory yet?
Zip, nada, zero... and no mention of the utter ruin she helped create
at the CAN take over if its true.
Those, bud, are the real issues.
This bleading heart shit you just typed makes you look like a cult
shill.. .. all part of the magoo plan.
Best Regards, Phil Scott
Mistmagoo55
>From: basic...@my-deja.com
>Date: 7/20/00 10:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8l719o$l9u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
>In article <20000719203803...@ng-cn1.aol.com>,
> mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
>> >Subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
>> >From: jim...@aol.com (JimDBB)
>> >Date: 7/19/00 3:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>> >Message-id: <20000719185112...@ng-fm1.aol.com>
>> >
>> >>Subject: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
>> >>From: mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55)
>> >>Date: 7/19/00 5:19 PM Central
>> >
>> >>
>> >>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>> >>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
>Church.
>> >
>> >
>> >.>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
>> >
>> >Would you be related to Paul Bezazian who was a Chicago area
>scientologist
>> >some
>> >years back?
>> >
>> >JImDBB
>> >
>> > Thank you ! Yup...married to his son, although unfortunately he is
>on the
>> road and doesn't know of this...so that may be another party over.
>PHEW>>>>>>>
>>
>> Why does this have to be so Fucking hard???? That ain't right. Not
>at all.
>>
>> And hi to my old OSA friends....I'll never tell a soul :) And you
>know
>> who...now you can OFFICALLY say "I KNEW IT!"
>>
>> Yup you were right. Just a wild thang that loves people....and that
>just
>> wouldn't do would it?
>> CYA
>>
>> Magoo/ TORY :) Dancin~ despite losing my two best friends today~
>>
>
>
>
> Hi Tory,
> Have you until today(or yesterday) been working for OSA?
>
> It may be difficult to convince others that you can be trusted now.
>
> A start would be to post to ARS all the inside information you have on
>
>their currant ops.And past ones.If your for real congratulations.
>
> basic basic
Sorry I do not have the inside stuff you are lookin for. Not sure what all that
consists of....but I was not there. what I am good at and have always helped on
are people.
L:ook at the site on Bunkers deal. you will see me in "action". Ask Keith
Henson....I remember being out talking to him telling him he should go on Sat
night live as he was missing his callling.
If Skip Press knows what big secret things I have worked on...tell him to post
it here.
I was not part of CAN...except to maybe MAYBE (I cannont remember) go to one
meeting, if that. If I did, I do not remember it. I was in the Wally
trial...but that again was my own doing. I thought (and still do think) he is a
major conn artist, so I wanted to see what happened. Yes, there I was quite
vocal and stood up in the courtroom and spoke a few times. I can only tell you
what it went on in the courtroom, and Who CARES!
So not really heavy stuff.
But if you meet me you will know...I ain't someone to sit down and let people
walk all over me. So if my chuch was getting trashed, yeah...I was often called
to come talk with the people. See Bunkers video....
that's what I do...and I still will Same song, different mellody.
Communciation....that is me. I beleive in it.
I think it IS what can and will save the world. And as I write that, if there
is any one reason why I left my CHurch...it is that>...I don't see um
communicating any more. All is set, and that is that.
Well, when you know me, you know THAt is only gonna work so long.
So here I am. See? welcome to Tory. :)
Love to you all,
It is hard, but getting easier.
Sleeepy,
Tory
Mistmagoo55
within the group? Sure. Why? Because I know how to kick ass....despite what you
all think of me. And I am persistant...and that at least you have to know is
true...by the volume of posts I did.
But Do I have skinny on all the inside whateverS? HEll no! So quit saying I
have to prove myself. Write to Bob and Stacy...they know me now. WE sat up and
talked until 7 am last night and 3 am tonight. They know me now.
Gotta sleep.
Hearts of Oak,
Magoo (tory) :) still dancin~
pAtRiCk dArCy
always dancin :)
--
Hey now, didnt u mamma teach u anything
Don Henley
do u know what love means ?
Patrick Volk
I wish you the best of luck. Here in the wog world, life can be hard
sometimes (I've been planning a wedding, we've just hit 3 months, plus
work has been keeping me hopping), but it also can be very interesting
when you don't know what it going to happen next.
The main problem is sometimes you can get lost in life. But the main
benefit is also sometimes you can get lost in life.
Spaghetti therapy, my friend ;) My main concern right now is to keep
my fiance's head from exploding, which is why I haven't been here as
much. It's crazy now, but don't worry. It gets better...
>To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
>as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the Church.
>
>Please do not call me, or come over to my house.
>
>Any friends who care (and only those who do, please) e-mail me.
>
>To the rest, good bye.
>
>In the future, listen to Andreas. What he said last night....
>
>Is what is true.
>
>
>Magoo/ Tory Bezazian
>
>
>Just a person (HA!) in Burbank....fooled ALL of you, huh? If you want to see
>Magoo.............go to Xenu TV, and look at
>Can Dianetics Cure Arthritus
>
>The GIRL is Magoo!
>
>LOLOLOL!
>
>For those few who have helped me, thank you. For the rest....who I must say
>have been a bit over the top, listen to Andreas. He is right, and he has helped
>me the most,
>
>Sure, I came on as a total "prick" this I know. And I did the LIE THERAPY, only
>because I had 2 interet Accounts, and kept screwing them up. As you all so
>cleverly kept pointing out. So I put in the "we" and "us" to CMA.
>
>LOL
>
>So there ya go. But July 8 or so, something cracked. I started reading and
>loooking for the first time in phew............a LONG time.
>
>I am Mid OT7 (was on it for 7 long years....and NO! Please do NOT call me,
>FLAG, IT is SO over, and has been since DM announced we were only using 3 out
>of the 59 tools. AT an audience of 1000's????/ COME ON MAN!)...and have been a
>Scientologist for 30 years. Lots of fun stories. But as one party is over,
>another one starts. So NOW will anyone meet with me? (from THIS group)?:)
>e-mail ONLY.
>
>And then, after being in debt 60K...from doing OT 7 for 7 years....now we are
>told it will just be another 25K for each of us, to get back on.
>
>RIGHT> makes sense, huh?
>
>Well, I am off for now. Not sure what I will be doing, but I hope we will be in
>touch again in the near future.
>
>What Andy said is SO true, though....you have to learn to listen and watch for
>clues.
>
>I have been begging to meet with SOMEONE ANYONE for weeks now.
>
>OK< sure, I have been my usual Magoo asshole....but between it, there WAS music
>being played, and some of you have to learn to be better listeners.
>
>Keep dancin....see ya all soon!
>
>Magoo~really dancin now~
Mike O'Connor
mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
[...]
>I was not part of CAN...except to maybe MAYBE (I cannont remember) go
>to one meeting, if that. If I did, I do not remember it.
Then perhaps there are lots and lots of other places you went and things
you did that, if you did them, you do not remember?
>I was in the
>Wally trial...but that again was my own doing. I thought (and still do
>think) he is a major conn artist, so I wanted to see what happened.
He won a huge judgement against the cult. A lawful judgement which the
cult unlawfully refused to pay.
>Yes, there I was quite vocal and stood up in the courtroom and spoke a
>few times. I can only tell you what it went on in the courtroom, and
>Who CARES!
Who cares about the judicial system. Who cares the cult lost. Who cares
the cult lost the appeals too, and who cares it went to the Supreme
Court and no win for the cult, and who cares that the cult owes a lawful
judgement and that they defy the will of the judical system of the
United States. Is that what you mean when you say who cares?
--
SCIENTOLOGY IS SECRETLY A UFO CULT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <mi...@leptonicsystems.com>
<http://www.leptonicsystems.com>
spar...@my-deja.com
> >mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
> >> To all of you at ARS, and to you all reading this from my Church,
> >> as of this date, July 20th, 2000 I have officially left the
> >> Church.
> >Wow... it takes a lot of gumption to move away from something you
> >have so much invested in. I'm sure your friends in the church will
> >play your heart strings like a violin. If you go back, you can
> >expect more than a few marathon sec checks. If you don't go back,
> >you can expect your SP Declare in the mail. Even though you made
> >a decision that is good for you, and you will be happy with, you'll
> >still go through a grieving process. I hope you have friends
> >*outside* the church who can support you and help you keep your
> >resolve.
> Not only did she say goodby to her friends, if she indeed have left
> her cult. She also just said goodbye to her job, since it seems as
> if it is a Scientology job.
>
> I'd say she was/is pretty much a prisoner of the cult, and I have
> strong doubts about her having left...
You're probably right, but I think it helps to say those words anyway.
There *is* a grieving process, and I think that scientology staff who
are think of blowing should be aware of that, so they are not
surprised. It's hard to let go of one's hopes and aspirations, even
if they turn out to be folly.
Tilman Hausherr
<20000722070957...@ng-fk1.aol.com>:
>I was not part of CAN...except to maybe MAYBE (I cannont remember) go to one
>meeting, if that. If I did, I do not remember it. I was in the Wally
>trial...but that again was my own doing. I thought (and still do think) he is a
>major conn artist, so I wanted to see what happened. Yes, there I was quite
>vocal and stood up in the courtroom and spoke a few times.
Why did/do you think that "Wally" ( I assume you mean Lawrence
Wollersheim) is a "conn artist"?
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.xenu.de
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html
Travis Morien
: In Message-ID: <15315-39...@storefull-215.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
: From: mago...@webtv.net (Anti Magoo).
: Organization: WebTV Subscriber.
: Wrote on the subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!:
:>Hi Tory! Bye Magoo! And yes bye Anti-Magoo too!
:>
:>A G
: Hehe, are you actually falling for this shore story from OSA?
: It's just a planned operation, to get the Magoo hat trusted amongst the
: critics. Anyone stupid enough to fall for this, deserves exactly what he
: gets.
: Get real...
: Sten-Arne
Look, as dramatic as many people here seem to get, the OSA and the Church
of Scientology are not that powerful. There are no OT superpowerz, there
are no sophisticted dianetics mind control powers (ala "These aren't the
clams you're looking for") and as hard as they try the OSA are not a
religeous KGB.
Do you think now we are going to have a sophisticated plot get under way,
where Magoo/Africa/Tory is going to slowly but surely pull the wool over
the eyes of every critic and turn us all into Scientology shilling
zombies?
Only the ARSCC has that kind of power, and they don't exist! 8P
Travis
Travis Morien
:>Look at the name, and get the picture, man! OSA VOLUNTEER! Was I respected
: within the group? Sure. Why? Because I know how to kick ass....despite what you
: all think of me. And I am persistant...and that at least you have to know is
: true...by the volume of posts I did.
: But Do I have skinny on all the inside whateverS? HEll no! So quit saying I
: have to prove myself. Write to Bob and Stacy...they know me now. WE sat up and
: talked until 7 am last night and 3 am tonight. They know me now.
: Gotta sleep.
: Hearts of Oak,
: Magoo (tory) :) still dancin~
Tory, I really hate to tell you this, but that was not an effective
defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
Magoo will be remembered as a witless spammer, not a powerful agent for
the OSA. From now on I'll think of you as Tory... and IIWY I'd ditch that
Magoo account and move on to something with less of a history... 8)
I am happy for you now that you have freed yourself, and I will give you
the benefit of any doubt and wish you well in the journey you have ahead
of you. It will not be easy for you to leave behind something that was so
much a part of your life, but that is the price of freedom.
Goodbye Magoo.
Travis
Keith Henson
> Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip
> Tory, I really hate to tell you this, but that was not an effective
> defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
> drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
> people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
> they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
Yep! OSA really does believe this way. Heck, they think that having a
bunch of PIs follow Shy David, me and Brent Stone around makes them look
good. Keith Henson
Chris Leithiser
It does...because they people they're trying to impress really do think
that way...
Mistmagoo55
>From: til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
>Date: 7/24/00 4:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <s4apnsobbt77aeo38...@4ax.com>
>
>On 22 Jul 2000 11:09:57 GMT, mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote in
><20000722070957...@ng-fk1.aol.com>:
>
>>I was not part of CAN...except to maybe MAYBE (I cannont remember) go to one
>>meeting, if that. If I did, I do not remember it. I was in the Wally
>>trial...but that again was my own doing. I thought (and still do think) he
>is a
>>major conn artist, so I wanted to see what happened. Yes, there I was quite
>>vocal and stood up in the courtroom and spoke a few times.
>
>Why did/do you think that "Wally" ( I assume you mean Lawrence
>Wollersheim) is a "conn artist"?
>
>--
>Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5] Entheta *
Because he is and was...long before he became disaffected. I know that
personally.
M
Mistmagoo55
>Date: 7/25/00 3:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8ljfos$mk9$1...@enyo.uwa.edu.au>
>
>Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>:>Look at the name, and get the picture, man! OSA VOLUNTEER! Was I respected
>: within the group? Sure. Why? Because I know how to kick ass....despite what
>you
>: all think of me. And I am persistant...and that at least you have to know
>is
>: true...by the volume of posts I did.
>
>: But Do I have skinny on all the inside whateverS? HEll no! So quit saying
>I
>: have to prove myself. Write to Bob and Stacy...they know me now. WE sat up
>and
>: talked until 7 am last night and 3 am tonight. They know me now.
>
>: Gotta sleep.
>
>: Hearts of Oak,
>
>: Magoo (tory) :) still dancin~
>
>defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
>drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
>people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
>they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
>
>the OSA. From now on I'll think of you as Tory... and IIWY I'd ditch that
>Magoo account and move on to something with less of a history... 8)
>
>I am happy for you now that you have freed yourself, and I will give you
>the benefit of any doubt and wish you well in the journey you have ahead
>of you. It will not be easy for you to leave behind something that was so
>much a part of your life, but that is the price of freedom.
>
>Goodbye Magoo.
>
>Travis
>
Now just so you know...and I have said it many times...I WAS NOT WORKING FOR
OSA WHEN I DID WHAT I DID>>...
It had NOTHING to do with OSA. My work is like what is on Mark Bunkers
site...Can Dianetics Cure Dianetics...that is something I did as a volunteer
(and a totallyh true story I might add)...and I am proud of it.
Magoo was just my own thing, and I really do not care if you believe me or not.
It always was, and still is.
No new names...too hard to change right now.
Take care
tory
John C. Randolph
Keith Henson wrote:
>
> Travis Morien <pha...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> > Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> > Tory, I really hate to tell you this, but that was not an effective
> > defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
> > drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
> > people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
> > they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
>
> Yep! OSA really does believe this way. Heck, they think that having a
> bunch of PIs follow Shy David, me and Brent Stone around makes them look
> good. Keith Henson
Is it that, or is it that they think they can scare you off?
-jcr
spbill
mistm...@aol.com (Mistmagoo55) wrote:
[..]
>Thank you Travis....
>Now just so you know...and I have said it many times...I WAS NOT
>WORKING FOR OSA WHEN I DID WHAT I DID>>...
>It had NOTHING to do with OSA. My work is like what is on Mark
>Bunkers site...Can Dianetics Cure Dianetics...that is something I did
>as a volunteer (and a totallyh true story I might add)...and I am
>proud of it.
Aha, a Freudian slip?
As I've said many times before, the best way to reform CoS is to
run it out.
spbill
Co$: the "church" that gives religion a bad name.
barb
>
> >Subject: Re: Magoo had LEFT THE BUILDING!
That, my dear, is not an adequate answer in the wog world, get with the
program.
This is true.
--
barb
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does wierd and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.com (see live Scientologists in their natural state!)
Keith Henson
Good point. Of course, what it does is give us great material for
stories we post. Keith Henson
Tilman Hausherr
<20000726025211...@ng-fy1.aol.com>:
>>>I was not part of CAN...except to maybe MAYBE (I cannont remember) go to one
>>>meeting, if that. If I did, I do not remember it. I was in the Wally
>>>trial...but that again was my own doing. I thought (and still do think) he
>>is a
>>>major conn artist, so I wanted to see what happened. Yes, there I was quite
>>>vocal and stood up in the courtroom and spoke a few times.
>>
>>Why did/do you think that "Wally" ( I assume you mean Lawrence
>>Wollersheim) is a "conn artist"?
>>
>>--
>>Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5] Entheta *
>
>Because he is and was...long before he became disaffected. I know that
>personally.
How do you "know" this? I mean, what happened?
Basically you are saying that Lawrence is a con artist because you
"know" that he is one. Not a very good explanation.
Tilman
--
barb
>
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:19:32 -0700, "John C. Randolph" <j...@idiom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Keith Henson wrote:
> >>
> >> Travis Morien <pha...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> >> > Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >>
> >> > Tory, I really hate to tell you this, but that was not an effective
> >> > defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
> >> > drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
> >> > people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
> >> > they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
> >>
> >> Yep! OSA really does believe this way. Heck, they think that having a
> >> bunch of PIs follow Shy David, me and Brent Stone around makes them look
> >> good. Keith Henson
> >
> >Is it that, or is it that they think they can scare you off?
> >
>
> Um, hey guys, it's not working.
>
> - Brent
>
> From the CWPD Investigation files: Statement of Annie Mora:
> "Even for us it's a weird thing." pg 109
Rather generous of them, don't you think, to give us new toys with which
to play! It's more fun that a rat-brain Terl doll!
jrf...@atlascomm.net
>©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/
><The.Galacti...@ThePentagon.com> wrote:
And it is especially hard to admit you have been duped. It takes a
big person to be able to move away from such a large investment of
one's life.
Travis Morien
:>
:>:>Look at the name, and get the picture, man! OSA VOLUNTEER! Was I respected
:>: within the group? Sure. Why? Because I know how to kick ass....despite what
:>you
:>: all think of me. And I am persistant...and that at least you have to know
:>is
:>: true...by the volume of posts I did.
:>
:>defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
:>drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
:>people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
:>they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
: Thank you Travis....
: Now just so you know...and I have said it many times...I WAS NOT WORKING FOR
: OSA WHEN I DID WHAT I DID>>...
Whether or not you were hatted is not particularly relevant. You said
something along the lines that you were a volunteer? At any rate you
shared to goals of the OSA, and also their methods.
When I was first approached by Scientology I came away thinking that they
were some sort of self-help organisation, teaching you all that speed
reading and memory enhancement and creativity stuff you read about in
thaat section of the bookstore, but someone had collected it all,
researched it further and bundled it out in the form of a metaphorical
"church". At that time I knew nothing about scientology, and if not for
the fact that I knew I could get LRH books for 50c from any second hand
bookstore I might have considered buying Dianetics off them.
There are still people out there like that, but now the internet is so
popular people often drop in to places like ARS to find out about it
first. Are those jerks spamming hundreds of one line posts and lame off
topic rubbish, and paranoid shite about psychiatrists really going to
present a good picture to this wandering newbie? CO$ fortunately doesn't
even attempt to put their good side forth, they just run around in circles
screaming "bigot"at people and writing all that drivel. This is a good
thing for critics, because all a critic has to do to defame scientology
is to point out a scientologist!
: It had NOTHING to do with OSA. My work is like what is on Mark Bunkers
: site...Can Dianetics Cure Dianetics...that is something I did as a volunteer
: (and a totallyh true story I might add)...and I am proud of it.
I am happy too, you did massive amounts of damage to the credibility of
the CO$. Lord help us if Scientology ever gets a clue and starts trying
to put on a respectable image...
: Magoo was just my own thing, and I really do not care if you believe me or not.
: It always was, and still is.
Good for you, a true zealot. You mind sharing with us exactly what made
you consider leaving, apart from some critic was nice to you?
: No new names...too hard to change right now.
Sure, you probably prepaid your aol account or something... 8P
: Take care
As always..
Travis
Mistmagoo55
>Date: 7/26/00 12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8ln4fv$vkg$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>
>
>John C. Randolph <j...@idiom.com> wrote:
>
>> Keith Henson wrote:
>>>
>>> Travis Morien <pha...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>>> > Mistmagoo55 <mistm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>> > defense for COS. If OSA believes that flooding a newsgroup with moronic
>>> > drivel is good PR for an organisation that promotes a program that turns
>>> > people into superintelligent and powerful psychic demigods, then I guess
>>> > they need to practice a little harder at Ron's lessons.
>>>
>>> bunch of PIs follow Shy David, me and Brent Stone around makes them look
>>> good. Keith Henson
>
>> Is it that, or is it that they think they can scare you off?
>
>stories we post. Keith Henson
>
Material is mateiral...but the closer to truth it is, the more it indicates to
people. I have posted it before and will again.....the Magoo posts were MY
doing. As much as you all HOPE they were for OSA, you are wrong on that one,
pal. Why has already been posted....and you have seen the outcome. Hell! I
called OSA last week and asked "Has ANYONE gone out to talk to Keith Hensen and
see what he wants?" I offerred to go! But that is me....I believe in
communication....always. (HI OSA....guess ya should of listened to me, huh? Now
I will talk with him for sure....how odd, eh? Take care)
But was I working FOR OSA? Nope, and I know that is hard to believe....but I
think I was looking for something...and guess what? I FOUND IT!! :)
Warmly,
Tory/ Magoo~dancin as the sun comes up!~