Obama building Gulags. It will be like the RPF for ALL OF us!
PeterShitEater
rule of law where torture takes place.
At first, the people who are sent there will be seen by citizens as
outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or
"criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison
system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the
prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition
members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and
sent there as well.
This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns
ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin
American coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for
closing down an open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.
With its jails in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, of course, Guantánamo in
Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial
and without access to the due process of the law, America certainly
has its gulag now. Obama and his allies in Congress already announced
they would issue no information about the secret CIA "black site"
prisons throughout the world, which are used to incarcerate people who
have been seized off the street.
Gulags in history tend to metastasise, becoming ever larger and more
secretive, ever more deadly and formalised. We know from first-hand
accounts, photographs, videos and government documents that people,
innocent and guilty, have been tortured in the US-run prisons we are
aware of and those we can't investigate adequately.
But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve
only scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It
was brave of the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-
Nazi pastor Martin Niemöller, who had been seized as a political
prisoner: "First they came for the Jews." Most Americans don't
understand yet that the destruction of the rule of law at Guantánamo
set a dangerous precedent for them, too.
By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny
prisoners due process tends to come early on in a fascist shift.
Mussolini and Stalin set up such tribunals. On April 24 1934, the
Nazis, too, set up the People's Court, which also bypassed the
judicial system: prisoners were held indefinitely, often in isolation,
and tortured, without being charged with offences, and were subjected
to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts became a parallel
system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon the rule of
law in favour of Nazi ideology when making decisions.
Either way, we're fucked.
Peter Schilte
Wasn't it Bush that founded the American Gulags? Secret prisons in
other countries?
Trying to change history? That is what fascists and nazi's do all the
time, you know.
Peter
"Remember one thing, we are not running a business, we are
running a government.
We are in direct control of people's lives.
But for the first time we are not making victims of them,
we are making them more able.
So bring order into these
people's lives."
- HCO Secretary WW2
© 1975 L. Ron Hubbard Library
xenufrance
"PeterShitEater" <peter...@hushmail.com>
one ore criminal dawrfscabbage's slave trying to imitate the ID of a true
critic?
r
Skipper
<e3a95a2a-9ab6-4a97...@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Peter Schilte <peters...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 aug, 06:41, PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
> > rule of law where torture takes place.
> >
> > At first, the people who are sent there will be seen by citizens as
> > outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or
> > "criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison
> > system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the
> > prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition
> > members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and
> > sent there as well.
> >
> > This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns
> > ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin
> > American coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for
> > closing down an open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.
> >
> > With its jails in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, of course, Guant�namo in
> > Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial
> > and without access to the due process of the law, America certainly
> > has its gulag now. Obama and his allies in Congress already announced
> > they would issue no information about the secret CIA "black site"
> > prisons throughout the world, which are used to incarcerate people who
> > have been seized off the street.
> >
> > Gulags in history tend to metastasise, becoming ever larger and more
> > secretive, ever more deadly and formalised. We know from first-hand
> > accounts, photographs, videos and government documents that people,
> > innocent and guilty, have been tortured in the US-run prisons we are
> > aware of and those we can't investigate adequately.
> >
> > But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve
> > only scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It
> > was brave of the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-
> > Nazi pastor Martin Niem�ller, who had been seized as a political
> > prisoner: "First they came for the Jews." Most Americans don't
> > understand yet that the destruction of the rule of law at Guant�namo
> > set a dangerous precedent for them, too.
> >
> > By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny
> > prisoners due process tends to come early on in a fascist shift.
> > Mussolini and Stalin set up such tribunals. On April 24 1934, the
> > Nazis, too, set up the People's Court, which also bypassed the
> > judicial system: prisoners were held indefinitely, often in isolation,
> > and tortured, without being charged with offences, and were subjected
> > to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts became a parallel
> > system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon the rule of
> > law in favour of Nazi ideology when making decisions.
> >
> > Either way, we're fucked.
>
> Wasn't it Bush that founded the American Gulags? Secret prisons in
> other countries?
> Trying to change history? That is what fascists and nazi's do all the
> time, you know.
>
> Peter
Fascists and Nazis were on the left. National SOCIALIST Party. Maybe
you need an infusion of reality. In the U.S. during World War II, the
American socialist President FDR put people in camps here because they
had Japanese ancestry. Real social oppression comes mostly from the
left politically in the West. It's simply historical fact.
Rev Norle Enturbulata, DTS, COD, SPx
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>
> "PeterShitEater" <peter...@hushmail.com>
>
> one ore criminal dawrfscabbage's slave trying to imitate the ID of a true
> critic?
Heh, that was a fast killfileage.
Hartley Patterson
> Fascists and Nazis were on the left. National SOCIALIST Party.
Yes Skip. And East Germany wasn't Communist either - German DEMOCRATIC
REPUBLIC. And CCHR is a human rights organisation run by concerned
citizens...
> In the U.S. during World War II, the
> American socialist President FDR put people in camps here because they
> had Japanese ancestry.
And in the UK all Germans were dumped on the Isle of Man for the
duration of the war, almost all of them refugees from the Nazis. It was
unfair, unpleasant but neccessary.
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Fredric L. Rice
>The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
>rule of law where torture takes place.
Oh man, I sure hope so. Round up all the honkey white mother fuckers
and put them in death camps, I say. Then start breeding Native American
Indians so they can take their country back. It's a good plan and I'm
all for it.
---
"Nothing matters more than saving the planet from Republicans." -- South Park
Fredric L. Rice
You stupid rightarded buttfuck, the Nazi Party was _right_ leaning,
you have no clue what Socialism is, ya fucking rightarded loon.
fargo116
> PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
> >rule of law where torture takes place.
LOL....The Militianoids were screaming this crap more than a decade
ago when Big Bill was in charge. Seriously, they were posting pictures
of Extension offices and dillapidated World War II military bases as
'proof' Big Bill was building internment camps for gun nuts. Don't see
any, do you?
I remember one beaut that had something to do with Denver
International Airport actually having an internment camp built beneath
it.
S. Olson
Fluffy Debate Maven
"Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@skeptictank.org> wrote in message
news:IOydnTPcm8AMrRXX...@posted.sonicnet...
> PeterShitEater <peter...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
>>rule of law where torture takes place.
>
> Oh man, I sure hope so. Round up all the honkey white mother fuckers
> and put them in death camps, I say. Then start breeding Native American
> Indians so they can take their country back. It's a good plan and I'm
> all for it.
>
Yeah, we can watch them fuck it up.
C
Peter Schilte
> In article
> <e3a95a2a-9ab6-4a97-be83-a3b3470c1...@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 16 aug, 06:41, PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > > The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
> > > rule of law where torture takes place.
>
> > > At first, the people who are sent there will be seen by citizens as
> > > outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or
> > > "criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison
> > > system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the
> > > prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition
> > > members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and
> > > sent there as well.
>
> > > This process took place in fascist shifts or anti-democracy crackdowns
> > > ranging from Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the Latin
> > > American coups of the 1970s and beyond. It is standard practice for
> > > closing down an open society or crushing a pro-democracy uprising.
>
> > > Cuba, where detainees are abused, and kept indefinitely without trial
> > > and without access to the due process of the law, America certainly
> > > has its gulag now. Obama and his allies in Congress already announced
> > > they would issue no information about the secret CIA "black site"
> > > prisons throughout the world, which are used to incarcerate people who
> > > have been seized off the street.
>
> > > Gulags in history tend to metastasise, becoming ever larger and more
> > > secretive, ever more deadly and formalised. We know from first-hand
> > > accounts, photographs, videos and government documents that people,
> > > innocent and guilty, have been tortured in the US-run prisons we are
> > > aware of and those we can't investigate adequately.
>
> > > But Americans still assume this system and detainee abuses involve
> > > only scary brown people with whom they don't generally identify. It
> > > was brave of the conservative pundit William Safire to quote the anti-
> > > prisoner: "First they came for the Jews." Most Americans don't
> > > set a dangerous precedent for them, too.
>
> > > By the way, the establishment of military tribunals that deny
> > > prisoners due process tends to come early on in a fascist shift.
> > > Mussolini and Stalin set up such tribunals. On April 24 1934, the
> > > Nazis, too, set up the People's Court, which also bypassed the
> > > judicial system: prisoners were held indefinitely, often in isolation,
> > > and tortured, without being charged with offences, and were subjected
> > > to show trials. Eventually, the Special Courts became a parallel
> > > system that put pressure on the regular courts to abandon the rule of
> > > law in favour of Nazi ideology when making decisions.
>
> > > Either way, we're fucked.
>
> > Wasn't it Bush that founded the American Gulags? Secret prisons in
> > other countries?
> > Trying to change history? That is what fascists and nazi's do all the
> > time, you know.
>
> > Peter
>
> Fascists and Nazis were on the left. National SOCIALIST Party.
Wrong, Skip, Fascists and Nazis are in the first place NATIONALISTS,
that means extreme right wing. Why do you think real socialists were
thrown in concentration camps and killed by the thousands by fascists
(in Italy) and Nazi's (in Germany and occupied Europe)?
> Maybe
> you need an infusion of reality. In the U.S. during World War II, the
> American socialist President FDR put people in camps here because they
> had Japanese ancestry.
Tell me something new, Skip. And do you really think a right wing
president would have acted different? And how many American citizens
opposed to it?
> Real social oppression comes mostly from the
> left politically in the West. It's simply historical fact.
You seem unaware of the meaning of social policy.
"The heaviest weight on the strongest shoulders", I don't see where
the supposed suppression is.
BTW, it was Bush who threw suspects in the Guantanamo Bay gulag, even
when it was obvious a lot of them were innocent, right? Now THAT is
oppression.
Peter
"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them.
I should care what they think?"
- Valerie Emmanuel
Peter Schilte
Fredric L. Rice
>On Aug 16, 10:18=A0am, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> >The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
>> >rule of law where torture takes place.
>LOL....The Militianoids were screaming this crap more than a decade
>ago when Big Bill was in charge. Seriously, they were posting pictures
>of Extension offices and dillapidated World War II military bases as
>'proof' Big Bill was building internment camps for gun nuts. Don't see
>any, do you?
We Republicans seen 'em plenty of times! Black helicopters! Chemtrails!
Socialism! We Republicans godda keep all these homasexyouall red Commie
pinkos at bay all the time because THEM is all part of the conspiracy
to destroy Amerikka, you know, usually by screaming insane loon hate
spew predicated on occult stupidity like Skippy here did, that always
works.
>I remember one beaut that had something to do with Denver
>International Airport actually having an internment camp built beneath
>it.
Hey, we have an insane Scientology loon who thinks there's a s3kr^t
Nazi base under a salty lake in Utah, an insane cultist who thinks she
has "Nazi ear implants" I shit you not.
She's as sane as any Republican frother screaming, Socialism!" who has
no fucking clue what Socialism actually is.
Fredric L. Rice
The extermination camps will be run like they run the Post Office. All
us honkey non-Socialist mother fuckers will have to stand in line while
the exterminationists sit behind the counter with signs reading, "Next
Window Please."
Despite the long lines, I'm still in favor.
Fredric L. Rice
>On 16 aug, 18:18, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
>>>rule of law where torture takes place.
>> Oh man, I sure hope so. Round up all the honkey white mother fuckers
>> and put them in death camps, I say. Then start breeding Native American
>> Indians so they can take their country back. It's a good plan and I'm
>> all for it.
I'm going to work on eliminating my tan so I can get to the top of the
list.
Fredric L. Rice
>skipSP...@yahoo.not says:
>> Fascists and Nazis were on the left. National SOCIALIST Party.
>Yes Skip. And East Germany wasn't Communist either - German DEMOCRATIC
>REPUBLIC. And CCHR is a human rights organisation run by concerned
>citizens...
Skip is a rightard. I wonder if he is even dimly aware that Germany
and Russia were routinely at war with Germany fighting _against_
the brand of Socialism that Russia wished to impress upon foreign
lands as part of their failed Communism. The Great Patriotic War, if
this stupid fucking Republican idiot ever tried to think about his
fucking insane notions, would have been Socialists fighting Communists.
Sweet Baby Jesus, Republicans are such uneducated loons.
Fredric L. Rice
>On 16 aug, 15:59, Skipper <skipSPAMpr...@yahoo.not> wrote:
>> In article
>> <e3a95a2a-9ab6-4a97-be83-a3b3470c1...@c1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 16 aug, 06:41, PeterShitEater <petersh...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Socialist Nigger is Creating a Gulag. A prison system outside the
>>>> rule of law where torture takes place.
>Wrong, Skip, Fascists and Nazis are in the first place NATIONALISTS,
>that means extreme right wing. Why do you think real socialists were
>thrown in concentration camps and killed by the thousands by fascists
>(in Italy) and Nazi's (in Germany and occupied Europe)?
The Nazis also rounded up Gypsies, Romanians, gays, atheists, and
scientists long before they started working on eliminating Jews, all
predicated upon the very same ideologies of hate spewed today by the
Republican Party.
Skippy is such a fucking ignorant loon.
Humble Hamster
wrote:
National Socialism had a ring to it that was inoffensive to the
populace of Germany and the results (initially) was self-evident (the
economy of Germany was devastated by reparations to the French due to
the Treaty of Versailles). What could be wrong with Nationalism? The
world had turned their back on us. What could be wrong with
Socialism? We are all just as poor.
Put those two together and you get a very efficient, but very
explosive combination. Ripe for abuse if you will.
As to Fascism it is debated about but the end result seems to be
far-right. I'll just leave with two def'ns:
<snip>
Look up Fascism in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a
highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious.
Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in
long and furious debates concerning the exact nature of fascism and
its core tenets.
Most scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an
authoritarian form of government, although not all authoritarian
regimes are fascist. Authoritarianism is thus a defining
characteristic, but most scholars will say that more distinguishing
traits are needed to make an authoritarian regime fascist.
Similarly, fascism as an ideology is also hard to define. Originally,
"fascism" referred to a political movement that existed in a single
country (Italy) for less than 30 years and ruled the country from 1922
to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Clearly, if the
definition is restricted to the original Italian Fascism, then
"fascism" has little significance outside of Italian politics. Most
scholars prefer to use the word "fascism" in a more general sense, to
refer to an ideology (or group of ideologies) that was influential in
many countries at many different times. For this purpose, they have
sought to identify a "fascist minimum" - that is, the minimum
conditions that a certain political group must meet in order to be
considered fascist. Several scholars have inspected the apocalyptic,
millennial and millenarian aspects of fascism.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
According to most scholars of fascism, there are both left and right
influences on fascism as a social movement, and fascism, especially
once in power, has historically attacked communism, conservatism and
parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the "far
right" or "extreme right."[8] (See: Fascism and ideology).
Franklin D. Roosevelt
� The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if
the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it
becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its
essence, is fascism � ownership of government by an individual, by a
group, or by any other controlling private power. �
� Franklin D. Roosevelt, "Message from the President of the United
States Transmitting Recommendations Relative to the Strengthening and
Enforcement of Anti-trust
The Humble Hamster