The newest affidavits on the RFW
Barbara loves Marty
apparently excerpts of these affidavits that were submitted to the SP-
Times by high current INT base executives. But why were the names of
the executives not published?
For the sake of arguments, let say DM never stroke any person. (I have
my personal doubt and rather think that his own tonelevel was copied
by his abusive right hands but let's say, he is innocent as the driven
snow and never raised the hand against anybody.)
Nevertheless, huge problems continue to exist: he does not use the
tonescale or other Scientology technology that reveals what can be
expected from a person. And he assignes those violent, lazy, wasteful,
lying people who can't do things right the upper most executive posts
and allows them on these posts for DECADES, despite reports of that
they lie, beat others, intimidate, harass, etc.
For me, DM has no clean hands as those where his people for years. He
dealed with them day by day. How can he have missed what they did? I
gave myself this answer: he knew and he endorsed it (if he didn't
order it).
Check this out. My comments are those between the ++ Text ++
Excerpted declarations from people that knew Mark Rathbun and Mike
Rinder:
++ There were two Mark Rathbun's in Scientology. The first one I knew
and he was anything but a bully and didn't beat anybody and did not
goof any job. The latter, I named Mr. Texas to differentiate between
them. ++
DECLARATION # 1
“I witnessed Marty Rathbun physically attack Mike Rinder several times
in the office next door to mine.
++ Why didn’t that staff member write a knowledge report? And if he
wrote one, why did nobody call the authorities? Why didn't David
Miscavige route him out of the Sea Org, and after he blew in 1993, why
did DM call him back, awarded him with free auditing on the Freewinds
for over one year? Any explanation of this off policy handling by DM?
++
Mike’s desk was adjacent to the wall where my desk was, so each time
Marty body slammed Mike against the wall, the penetration through the
wall was such that I feared the wall was going to come down on me
while sitting at my desk. The ceiling tiles shook and the dust came
flying down it was that hard. I once ran to the next room and Mike was
slumped over his chair in pain.
++ Whoever wrote this affidavit just checked ONCE what was going on
next day? What did he do the other times? Closed his eyes and stuck
his fingers in his ears? ++
At one point I had to remove other staff from the hallway area to
prevent their fighting spreading around.
++ And nobody asked what a irresponsible leader DM is keeping such a
violent person on staff? Did they write knowledge reports? Did they
inform the authorities? Why not? ++
Shortly after the above occurred, Mike Rinder needed to receive
counseling and I saw him being counseled in the auditing room five
doors down from my office, to help him recover from the fear and pain
Marty instilled.
These physical altercations created wall damage in Mike and Marty’s
office.”
++ And after Mr. Texas blew, DM called him back, awarded him with free
auditing for a year on the Freewinds and allowed him to re-join the
highest executive positions? What is the matter with DM? L. Ron
Hubbard would not award a violent person and keep him on staff and
give him high positions to hold. ++
“My next dealing with Marty Rathbun was in late 2003. … He explained
that he would not be able to hold a new position, as he could not
create things, his only experience was fighting and harming others. He
explained that he was a squirrel [someone who alters L. Ron Hubbard’s
standard technology and procedures] and had grooved in a horrible
pattern of ethics investigations used on staff members, stating that
he had made it seem like it was Mr. Miscavige who was training him to
do it, when this was not the case. … He explained his repeated “crazy”
desire to hold a Legal post in the Church only so as to maintain his
position as a ‘’fighter'’.
++ How come the year auditing that he got from his auditor (he wrote
the 5th affidavit) did not work? (DM awarded Mr. Texas with auditing
on the Freewinds after he blew How come his auditor did not check
that it did not work? (The other affidavits indicate that it did not
work because he was as violent as before.) If somebody beats up
people and just want to fight, it would be easy to spot that the
tonelevel of that person is on 1.5, and such a person should not be
in the SO, not on staff and most certainly not handle the legal cases
in upper management. ++
“I have known Mike Rinder since 1998 … While occupying the same office
as Mike, I had to wake up Mike from sleeping on the job at least twice
per week. He was so disinterested and disdainful towards his job and
his co-workers he would often sleep at his desk and accomplish
nothing.
++ That is a shocker, Mike Rinder, the sleeper! And yet, for so many
years, from 1998 to 2007, David Miscavige did not remove him from post
but keeps such a disinterested, lazy, sleepy person to be his no. 1?
If DM keeps a disinterested and disdainful person on staff for those
many years, it means that DM is also disinterested in accomplishing
great things for Scientology besides wasting money for buildings and
new uniforms and entertaining celebs. If DM would want Scientology to
win, why did he not demote lazy Mike Rinder already in 1998 and
replaced him with an active no. 1 who has interest in accomplish the
goals of Scientology? ++
“Mike’s reputation in the Church was one of arrogance, disdain and
condescending relations.
++ Again, what's wrong with DM to keep such a person on the Nr. 1 spot
in Scientology? Scientology as per L. Ron Hubbard does not create such
person but raises their tonelevels. How come that Mike Rinder did not
become uptone? Because no original L. Ron Hubbard technology is
applied within DM's base? ++
“Mike stated to me in 2005 what an awful and hard time he had in
dealing with any media, and touted this hardship as something none of
his lowly peers (everyone else who didn’t work on media relations was
considered a lowly peer) would ever have to experience and used the
behavior of media and newspaper columnists to excuse his failings.”
++ Why would DM keep such a degrader for so many years on the no. 1
spot in the SO? Mike Rinder was his direct deputy. If DM would be a
Scientologist, he would have removed such a person already in the 80s.
Nothing can be won with downtone people. ++
“I have known Tom De Vocht since 1989. I worked with him throughout
this time and extensively at the Flag Land Base up until 2000. I
worked with him later in 2003 and 2004 up until he left. I sat in the
same office as Tom for at least four years. Tom’s allegations are lies
and he knows it.”
++ Tom De Vocht was in charge of Flag but is a liar? How come that a
liar was given this position, and how come he was not removed by DM?
(All these people did blow, he didn't kick them out of Scientology as
I was kicked out. ) As the top leader of Scientology, DM must apply
the tonescale. How come DM's executives are liars, out ethics and low
on the tonescale and can go on for years and still would be on staff,
continuing their lies, if they would have not blown? ++
“Each and every statement and allegation now being made by Marty
Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Tom De Vocht and Amy Scobee is not only
categorically and utterly denied as false based on my personal
observation and accounts (I was there), these allegations serve to
show the levels that spiteful individuals will stoop in concocting the
most outrageous lies I have ever heard of just to gain fame and make
their quick buck.”
++ Question: Is fame and money probably the reason why DM made himself
to be the leader of Scientology? I think so. ++
DECLARATION # 2
“Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder walked in one afternoon and told the
then-head of Golden Era Productions [name deleted] and myself to
follow them to a small office that had one wall lined up with metal
file cabinets. Rathbun closed the door, pushed both [name deleted] and
myself against the file cabinets. And without any warning, Rathbun
suddenly punched me in the stomach with full force and did the same to
[name deleted]. Rinder was standing at the side of Rathbun, most
definitely endorsing his actions. Both then walked out, paying no
attention whatsoever to us and our physical condition after Rathbun’s
punches.”
++ Sounds like the mafia to me, and again, why did DM allow such
violent people to be his top executives and right hands? Nobody
behaved like this under L. Ron Hubbard. How come DM does not run his
management like L. Ron Hubbard? ++
“A few weeks later, Rathbun walked into my office. He appeared upset
with me, closed the door behind him and suddenly punched me in the
stomach with full force, throwing me across the room, where I
collapsed against my desk, and he walked out.”
++ Did the writer of this affidavit write a knowledge report to DM? If
yes, why did DM not remove Mr. Texas from his post?"
“A few days later, Rathbun walked once again into my office, closed
the door, began berating me for something I had allegedly done wrong
and again suddenly threw me against the wall of my office using his
full force.”
++ Again, how come DM keeps such people on staff and awards them with
cruise, free training and gives them the most confidential legal cases
to handle? ++
“Also in that same period, I was in the office of one of my
assistants, going over a project. Rinder and Rathbun again walked in
and without warning Rathbun pulled me by one of my ears and dragged me
out of that office and all the way back to my own office. This meant
going outside, crossing a path and walking into a separate building-
roughly a distance of 90 feet. Rinder was at Rathbun’s side throughout
the incident, fully endorsing Rathbun’s actions.”
++ Mafia-methods and completely non-Scientology. Again, what's the
matter with DM giving such people the highest jobs in Scientology?
Scientologists under L. Ron Hubbard were known for their friendliness.
When I joined Scientology, I noticed that it was in Scientology much
nicer and friendlier than in other German organization. How come DM
runs a non-American and non-scientological management? Why does he not
run the orgs as L. Ron Hubbard did? Because DM is not really a
Scientologist? ++
“I knew Mike Rinder for many years. In fact, he was my own senior when
I first came to work in the Church of Scientology International in the
United States in 1982. I was immediately struck by the fact that he
was a vulgar individual who would mock others to make them feel ill at
ease and especially those who were weaker and in a lower position than
his own, particularly women. He was also vicious with junior staff,
harassing them repeatedly. He was a bully who was polite to those
senior to him and mean to those below him. My staff were scared of
him, as they knew he was a two-faced person who could not be trusted.”
++ How come DM was not able to spot that Mike Rinder has all these
personality problems? How come that DM was not able to spot the
tonelevel of this vulgar person? How come that no knowledge reports
were written or acted upon? When Scientology is applied, people on 1.1
can be immediately spotted. How come DM kept such a lowtone, vulgar,
harassing, and vicious person not just on staff but on the highest
position next to DM's for two decades? Because DM does not apply
Scientology. ++
“Rathbun and Rinder were known for accusing others of the very things
they were themselves doing so as to distract investigations off them.
Both have admitted in writing that they were consummate liars and had
lied for years about disasters they created on the legal lines of the
Church. Tom DeVocht also admitted in writing how his fundamental
approach to life was to lie and to do everything to not get caught
lying.”
++ This all did not happen in orgs far away from DM but with his right
and left hand, Mike Rinder and Mr. Texas and his top executive for
Flag. Why did he not select good, uptone, non-liars, in-ethics and law
abiding executives if he has true and good intentions for Scientology?
This goes on over 20 years, and DM was not able to spot the tonelevel
of these people and didn't get that they were abusive, harassing,
scornful, violent and liars?
So, what's DM's problem? Is he unconscious since more than two decades
that he can justify it by saying that he missed all that? ++
DECLARATION # 3
“The allegations of Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, Tom De Vocht and Amy
Scobee are blatant, despicable lies. These apostates are no longer
Scientologists and they are filled with hate. They left in disgrace
and have teamed up with avowed enemies of the Church-people
++ Church people? Never heard a Scientologist talking about other
Scientologists as "Church people". ++
who have openly stated they are out to destroy Scientology. They are
bitter and are telling lies to forward their own ends. In my 50-year
career in Scientology, I’ve seen apostates like this come and go.
After they leave, things invariably get better. “
++ He saw them COMING?? And he let them in? This is why there are so
many scandals in Scientology because infiltrators are allowed in the
Scientology orgs and allowed to run it. And get the missing logic also
here: if he was able to recognize apostates right from the start, how
come the top leader of Scientology, DM can't spot them and assigns
them the top legal cases and most important matters for Scientology to
handle? ++
“As I was the target of repeated physical attacks by Mark Rathbun,
this entire period sticks in my mind as a concatenation of consistent
and virulent physical harassment. When he didn’t hit me, Rathbun had a
habit of clenching a fist and threatening me, which he did at least a
dozen times, usually in his office, sometimes getting up and coming
around the desk menacingly, indicating he was going to punch me out.
Several times Rathbun would use me as a vehicle to exhaust his rage. I
developed a dread of Rathbun and what he would do next, because his
violence was so spontaneous and unpredictable.”
++ Did he write knowledge reports to DM? If no, why not? If yes, why
didn't DM correct him and awarded him with free training and auditing
for years on the Freewinds and why did DM call him back in his top
administration? Why did that "veteran" and "Scientologist" for more
than 50 years not call the authorities when he or others were used as
punching bags? What did they wait for? Till somebody would be killed? +
+
“One particular day, I had gone to work on the project in another
building when Mark Rathbun phoned me up in a rage and demanded I “get
my ass up to his office immediately.” When I got there, he wanted to
know the status of the project and when my answer didn’t satisfy him,
he lunged at me from behind his desk. He came at me with both fists
flying and punched me in the chest and ribs several times. I was
hurting for several hours.
++ Did he write knowledge reports to DM? If no, why not? If yes, why
didn't DM correct Mr. Texas and awarded him (after he blew in 2003)
with free auditing and training on the Freewinds and why did DM award
him with a new executive position in his top administration? Why were
the authorities not informed? ++
During a second, similar incident, while I was still overseeing this
particular project, Rathbun’s punches were so hard that the blows
knocked me back against a counter and my head smashed against a
bookshelf and severely hurt me.
++ Did he write knowledge reports? Why didn't he go to DM and tell him
that Mr. Texas has to be turned over to the authorities? And if he
did, why didn't DM call them and remove Mr. Texas from the orgs?" ++
“On at least four more occasions between the years 2000 and 2002,
usually during a conference when production planning for the day was
agreed upon, Mark Rathbun turned into psychotic rages because one
project or another was not fully completed yet. Each time he would
come flying at me, sometimes concurrently expressing vitriolic
expletives, and hit me hard and pushed and shoved me back and forth;
on at least one occasion during this series of incidents the force of
his attack caused my chair to topple over so that I landed on the
floor. I remember distinctly that during one of those assaults, he
kicked violently at the side of my body and hurt me while I was on the
ground.”
++ What are these DM people? Manchurian candidates? Most certainly not
Scientologists per L. Ron Hubbard. Why didn't they go to DM and demand
the removal of such a violent person? And if they did so, why did DM
not remove him? And should that not tell these executive staffers that
DM is not qualified if he does not remove such person from staff? (Be
reminded that DM awarded Mr. Texas generously in 1993 AFTER he blew.)"+
+
“During this same time period, Rathbun’s fits of uncontrolled anger
would often cause him to smash and kick things.”
++ And DM was not able to check that this is on 1.5 on the tonescale
and that such a person should not be on staff? What does this say
about DM? ++
“One day in 2001, Rathbun came storming into the same office area and
without warning kicked me from behind while I was sitting in my chair
with my back to him. The kick was so vicious and hard that the chair I
was sitting on went flying and I fell to the floor.”
++ Was a knowledge report written to DM? If no, why not? If yes, why
did DM run after Mr. Texas in 1993 after he blew and awarded him with
a cruise for 2 years and free auditing and training?" ++
“After physically assaulting me one day in 2002, Rathbun saw me
several hours later and instead of apologizing (which is what I
thought he was going to do), he, incredibly, told me that I was the
cause of it all and it was all my fault, because I was provoking him —
that he really didn’t want to hit me, but that I was actually making
him hit me and thereby committing a transgression against him.”
“When Mr. Miscavige returned to the Base and found out about Rathbun’s
physical violence. Mr. Miscavige immediately put a stop to any and all
physical assaults from Rathbun and Rathbun was soon thereafter removed
from post after which any sort of physical violence on the Base ended
entirely.”
++ This cannot be right because another staffer writes below that
there were beatings in 2004. That means that DM did not handle the
problem in 2002. And when Mr. Texas came back from the Freewinds, DM
made him again to be a top executive, RTC director, and Mr. Texas
represented Scientology in the media and worked on top legal cases as
the McPherson case. According to others, the violence did continue,
which means that Mr. Texas had the same violent tonelevel that he had
before and DM knew it. How long was DM gone from the base? He must
have gone for more than two decades if he wants to get away that he
can't be blamed because the violence continued over many years. ++
DECLARATION # 4
“I accompanied Mr. Miscavige in 1990 when he visited Mark Fisher, at
the time an employee of Golden Era Productions, who was working in the
Estates building. I witnessed the brief meeting, beginning when Mark
Fisher was on a ladder, to the end when Mr. Miscavige left. At no time
did Mr. Miscavige strike or otherwise harm Mark Fisher. In fact, it
was quite the opposite as Mr. Miscavige was encouraging Fisher to use
Scientology technology to assist himself. Mark Fisher did not take
that opportunity and instead left the Church shortly thereafter, over
19 years ago. That he is making this allegation almost two decades
after the incident supposedly occurred and after he has engaged in
demonstrations against Scientology Churches with the cyber-terrorist
hate-group Anonymous evidences that there are sinister motives for
this fallacious statement.”
“Rathbun was volatile. At one point, in January 2004, he lunged at me
and dragged me across a room, punched me and banged my head into a
wall. I was bleeding from the incident and had a fat lip. I was
stunned by his unprovoked actions.”
++ Didn't the author of affidavit no. 3 just write that DM put a stop
to Mr. Texas' violence in 2002? But the author of affidavit no. 4
wrote that his violence continued in 2004. There he is again, violent
on a top executive post because DM put him there. ++
“Within days, I saw Rathbun jump on Mike Rinder and drag Rinder to the
ground, straddle him and choke him while simultaneously asking some
question which I could not discern. I saw Rinder grabbing Rathbun’s
arms and having trouble breathing. Rathbun was shouting but it was
impossible for Rinder to respond. I, along with others, pulled Rathbun
off of Rinder. He speaks of violence, there’s your violence-and he was
the chief perpetrator.”
++ And DM was not able to spot the tonelevel of the men and assigned
them the top executive positions in Scientology. What a shame that he
does not apply Scientology technology. ++
“I never conceived either of the above acts, or other acts of violence
I experienced from Rathbun to have been perpetrated by anyone other
than himself. They were uniformly done when Mr. Miscavige was
thousands of miles away. None were ever done in his presence. Rathbun
personally told me that he was a “warrior” — his word, not mine.”
++ It happened when DM was not around? How come he recruits such
people in the top position of Scientology who become violent once he
turns his back on them? If he would apply the tonescale and would
recruit uptone executives, he could be gone and they would not be
violent or lazy or liars like those who he kept on executive positions
for more than two decades and awarded.
DECLARATION # 5
“I have known Marty Rathbun since 1984.
++ If he knew Marty Rathbun since 1984, he also knows that Mr. Texas
is not the original Marty but was exchanged. and I bet that David
Miscavige and Mike Rinder are involved in those doppelganger
activities. ++
In the entire time that I knew Rathbun as a Church staff member,
which was from 1984 until he deserted the Church in 2004, he was
always working either on external affairs of the Church or internal
investigations, such as to find out why a project or program was
overdue. He chronically fouled up legal and other external matters he
was meant to handle and, on ethics matters within the Church.
++ This is a false statement about the original Mark Rathbun who
didn't goof a thing. However, if Mr. Texas fouled up things
chronically, why was DM not able to spot his inabilities before he put
him on the No. 2 spot in Scientology? L. Ron Hubbard provided the
technology for that, why didn't DM apply it?++
… Rathbun would often use intimidation and physical violence, though
the Scientology ethics codes are clearly against such actions. He
routinely acted like a bully towards his fellow staff members, using
physical force and threats of physical force to intimidate people —
usually on persons who were of a smaller physical size than he.
++ Not the original Marty. He was very uptone. Again, how come DM gave
Mr. Texas important cases to handle, even the IRS disputes with all
his shortcomings? Why didn't DM spot his tonelevel? ++
“In one instance, as I was leaving an office and stepping onto the
sidewalk, Rathbun walked up to me. I thought he was coming up to say
something to me, and I paused in front of him. Without any preamble or
warning, he punched me in the jaw with his fist. He then turned and
walked away without saying a word. I thought he must have gone
completely psychotic.”
++ Did the writer of this "declaration" write a knowledge report to
DM? Did he file a complaint to the authorities? If not, why not? If
yes, what did DM do or did not do to stop it? ++
“In another instance, in 2003, I observed Rathbun in a rage, throwing
an executive up against a file cabinet repeatedly while screaming at
him. He then stormed out of the office, leaving the executive shaken,
upset and confused. Rathbun was not investigating anything or doing
anything even vaguely resembling an application of Scientology ethics
policy, nor did his action facilitate getting a project completed or a
report submitted. He was terrorizing an executive, period.”
++ Did the writer of this "declaration" write a knowledge report to
DM? Did he file a complaint to the authorities? If not, why not? If
yes, what did DM do or did not do? ++
“In the main conference room in the International Management space, in
early 2004, I witnessed Marty Rathbun stride up to Mike Rinder while
Rinder was speaking to a group of about 40 other staff, and violently
tackle him to the floor. Once Rathbun had him down on the floor, he
straddled his body and proceeded to choke Rinder, while asking him
some question I could not discern. Rathbun kept on choking Rinder,
while also pounding his head against the floor repeatedly and
demanding that he answer the question. Finally several men had to
forcibly pull him off.”
++ Did the writer of this "declaration" write a knowledge report to
DM? Did he file a complaint to the authorities? If not, why not? If
yes, what did DM do or did not do? According to Mr. Texas, he got a
free apartment, was allowed to chose the job that he wanted, could
have worked within Flag, got expensive medical handling, which means
that DM sure knows how to award the downstat, don't he? ++
“Looking back on this I note the pattern is that Rathbun conducted his
acts of physical violence when Mr. Miscavige was away from the
International Base.”
++ There is a pattern in all these affidavits to whitewash DM. But
fact is that the violence happened again and again and that DM never
should have assigned top jobs or any job to lazy or violent people. +
+
“In November of 1993, after creating messes on external matters that
others had to clean up, Rathbun had another one of his psychotic
tantrums. He abandoned his wife and all post responsibilities and
departed from staff unannounced. He went off on his motorbike across
country, stopping at bars to get drunk, and a few days later phoned
in, tearfully asking for help. Instead of the “good riddance” response
most people would have given him, certainly in organizations outside
of Scientology, Mr. Miscavige had such compassion and was so concerned
about Rathbun’s mental state that he arranged for him to have a
sabbatical in the Caribbean aboard the Freewinds and also arranged for
me to go there and give him auditing. I went there and spent a full
year of my life caring for this person.”
++ Aww, this is so touching how Scientology money is wasted for a
violent person who screwed up one job after the other. DM knows that
Mr. Texas is violent but allows him to be with other Scientologists on
the Freewind so that he can endanger them too? He got a full year free
auditing on the Freewinds but goofed constantly legal jobs and could
have killed somebody in his violent rage. Awarding the downstat! The
writer of this affidavit was Mr. Texas' auditor. He should have
learned also in auditing sessions that Mr. Texas is not the original
Marty, yet he claims that he is by stating that he knew him from 1984
as in that year, the original Marty was still on staff. The writer of
this affidavit audits Mr. Texas but can't crack his case because he is
again violent and does all the things he was accused before. "Great
job!" ++
“I have known Mike Rinder since 1979. My contact with Rinder was
primarily during the years 1984-2007.”
“Rinder has had a long unchanging characteristic of arrogant contempt
and disdain for other people - something I witnessed first-hand on
many occasions when in meetings and working on projects he was
involved in. Between 1989 and 2007 I observed hundreds of instances of
Rinder speaking to other staff members condescendingly and in a way
that was intended to embarrass the person, making sick jokes and
cracks about the person’s appearance or intelligence that were always
barbed and done with the purpose of making the other person feel
useless and unwanted, never in an encouraging manner or giving anyone
constructive advice.”
++ And DM was of course "clueless" and missed the low tonelevel and
non-scientological behavior of this two top executives for over two
decades. Give me a break! Scientology is not in Scientological hands
and this is the problem. ++
Barbara Schwarz
Eldon
It's great that Joel Phillips fell into the trap of publishing this
lying bullshit. Leaves him open to lawsuits when those people blow the
Int base.
hoser1605
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Utter rubbish. From an outsider's viewpoint, these are the ramblings
of a semi if not full psychotic.
Barbara loves Marty
I posted this a minute ago, Eldon, how were you able to read this long
posting within a minute, huh?
Actually, posting affidavits and statements won't get Joel Phillips in
troubles because he didn't write it.
I also don't mean to say that everything in these affidavits is
wrong.
Here are my problems with them:
1) None of them states that there were two Marty Rathbun's in
Scientology and what happened to the original.
2) Some try to say that DM stopped the abuse by Mike Rinder and Mr.
Texas but the affidavits contradict each other because they state that
the abuse continued. (According to Tommy Davis, there were approx. 50
incidents of violence and in all those cases, DM failed to turn them
over to the authorities.)
3) Anybody else within Scientology who would run an org with violent,
lying, lazy, abusive, harassing people in the top spots, he would have
been at least RPFed if not declared. The only reason why DM is not
RPFed is because he has nobody above him and that is not good.
4) I was kicked out for having not done anything wrong. DM did nothing
to reinstate my position in the Sea Org and I got no apology for what
infiltators did to me. Instead, DM keeps downstats and dangerous
people on staff, does not spot their tonelevel, L. Ron Hubbard's
Scientology is smeared in the media and everything is excused because
DM became a Holy Cow to them. Well, not for me.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
Get of my thread if you can't do more than heckling. I posted this
posting a few seconds ago. You could not have read it.
Barbara Schwarz
katysails
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote"
On Nov 23, 3:11 pm, hoser1605 <dhha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Utter rubbish. From an outsider's viewpoint, these are the >>ramblings of
>>a semi if not full psychotic.
>Get of my thread if you can't do more than heckling. I posted this
>posting a few seconds ago. You could not have read it.
Hey crazy lady, this thread does not belong to you or anyone else! The
person had 17 minutes to read your crazy drivel, and you accuse him of only
having seconds to read it?
Let's list your crimes: Lying over and over, stealing, making a fool out of
yourself...I'm sure I've missed many more!!!
Barbara loves Marty
That is why Neal Warren aka Greg Hall (the man with the greatest mind
of the 11th Century) says he is religious.
What's good in the bible: do not die and don't be after the woman who
belongs to somebody else. etc, he ignores
but the degrading women stuff that some smears wrote in the bible,
that he believes:
The Dark Bible Women's Inferior Status
Burn the daughter!
Cut off her hand!
Expose her breasts!
Female births get penalty
Female inferiority
God's OK on abortion
Jesus will kill children
Kill the witches!
Moses' mass murder
Rape my daughter
Raping and killing
Silence the woman!
Stone the woman
"Virgin" mistranslation
Virgin's worth
Wives, submit yourselves!
Women shall not speak
Women's sorrow
Rip up pregnant women
The wicked woman
And here the bible paragraphs, where you can find that disgusting
stuff.
http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
On Nov 23, 4:21 pm, "katysails" <k...@sails.yes> wrote:
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote"
Gregory Hall
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RFW published excerpts of five affidavits by unknown authors,
apparently excerpts of these affidavits that were submitted to the SP-
Times by high current INT base executives. But why were the names of
the executives not published?
For the sake of arguments, let say DM never stroke any person. (I have
my personal doubt and rather think that his own tonelevel was copied
by his abusive right hands but let's say, he is innocent as the driven
snow and never raised the hand against anybody.)
Nevertheless, huge problems continue to exist: he does not use the
tonescale or other Scientology technology that reveals what can be
expected from a person. And he assignes those violent, lazy, wasteful,
lying people who can't do things right the upper most executive posts
and allows them on these posts for DECADES, despite reports of that
they lie, beat others, intimidate, harass, etc.
For me, DM has no clean hands as those where his people for years. He
dealed with them day by day. How can he have missed what they did? I
gave myself this answer: he knew and he endorsed it (if he didn't
order it).
Check this out. <snip>
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<snipped worthless junk which is what any unsigned affidavit is.
Barbara, you aren't too bright sometimes. You were willing to believe an
anonymous remailer's false claims about me, Gregory Hall aka Neal Warren as
true. Now, you seem to be willing to take unsigned affidavits as the gospel.
What's wrong with you anyway? Has Scientology brainwashed you into thinking
that your truth is THE truth?
A mind is such a terrible thing to waste . . .
--
Gregory Hall
--
Gregory Hall
katysails
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>That is why Neal Warren aka Greg Hall (the man with the greatest mind
>of the 11th Century) says he is religious.
Babs, tell us please, what does Greg Hall have to do with you posting lies
about people? Hmmm? That makes no sense for you to post about Christians,
when you are a Scientologist and you lie daily, many times!
I think I figured out your problem with Marty. You had a one night stand
with him while you were married to someone else. Marty knows what a whore
you are and isn't interested in a dieseased prostitute. Shouldn't you be
working now?
katysails
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>4) I was kicked out for having not done anything wrong. DM did nothing
>to reinstate my position in the Sea Org and I got no apology for what
>infiltators did to me.
>
>Barbara Schwarz
Wow, you can't even keep a slave job at the Sea Org for zero pay? ROFLOL
What did the "infiltators" do to you? (Do they inflate potatoes?)
I bet they told on you for not sleeping with the entire Sea Org? You need
to do a better job, I suppose.
Barbara Schwarz
Go away Christian from hell.
Barbara Schwarz
.
Barbara Schwarz
realpch
>
> RFW published excerpts of five affidavits by unknown authors,
> apparently excerpts of these affidavits that were submitted to the SP-
> Times by high current INT base executives. But why were the names of
> the executives not published?
>
> For the sake of arguments, let say DM never stroke any person. (I have
> my personal doubt and rather think that his own tonelevel was copied
> by his abusive right hands but let's say, he is innocent as the driven
> snow and never raised the hand against anybody.)
>
> Nevertheless, huge problems continue to exist: he does not use the
> tonescale or other Scientology technology that reveals what can be
> expected from a person. And he assignes those violent, lazy, wasteful,
> lying people who can't do things right the upper most executive posts
> and allows them on these posts for DECADES, despite reports of that
> they lie, beat others, intimidate, harass, etc.
>
> For me, DM has no clean hands as those where his people for years. He
> dealed with them day by day. How can he have missed what they did? I
> gave myself this answer: he knew and he endorsed it (if he didn't
> order it).
<snip>
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Yes, publishing those affidavits poses the logical problems you outline.
I also chuckled at your repeated questions as to whether or not
Knowledge Reports were filed. One wonders if any being has had the
temerity to try to file a Knowledge Report about David Miscavige since
he assumed power over the Church of Scientology.
Peach
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Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
Jens Tingleff
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> Yes, publishing those affidavits poses the logical problems you outline.
> I also chuckled at your repeated questions as to whether or not
> Knowledge Reports were filed. One wonders if any being has had the
> temerity to try to file a Knowledge Report about David Miscavige since
> he assumed power over the Church of Scientology.
Well, rumour has it that a public (and celebrity at that) clamette wrote a
KR after seeing DM and Mrs Stuckenbrock patting each other in public. I
don't think much came of it.
Best Regards
Jens
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Hein. T. Schaylich
Executive" by L Ron Hubbard none of this need have happened.
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag
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Hein. T. Schaylich
Here are my problems with them:
1) None of them states that there were two Marty Rathbun's in
Scientology and what happened to the original.
Only two? There must have been a whole lot more Marties. The place was
crawling with them. What on earth became of them?
Gregory Hall
news:4B0B43AF...@aol.com...
There can be no such thing as a 'knowledge report' in Scientology. A
'propaganda report' or a 'spy report' or a 'snitch report' or a
'confidential information report' perhaps but Scientology leaves no room for
anything resembling knowledge.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara Schwarz
Well, we don't know if knowledge reports were written or not but none
of the affidavit mentions that knowledge reports were written, Peach.
I assume some did write knowledge reports but I wonder what would
happen to a person who writes a knowledge report about DM and what
would happen to that person and that knowledge report.
> One wonders if any being has had the
> temerity to try to file a Knowledge Report about David Miscavige since
> he assumed power over the Church of Scientology.
>
> Peach
Scientology under L. Ron Hubbard was "One strike of violence and you
are out". Not 50 strikes and the offenders still are promoted and
awarded, and called back, and promoted with a cruise, auditing, free
apartment, room and board, free expensive medical care after they have
blown and were abusive and again trusted with the highest positions in
Scientology.
You can just scratch your head! This is not Scientology. In
Scientology you award the good people and don't assign bad people the
top positions.
Again, I do not pay much attention to those who left Scientology and
who attack it. I know such people myself and they created problems for
Scientology and since they left they are all good. Yeah right. They
were not good inside and not good outside.
For me, the reaction of those who still represent the C of S is
important. Did they say that these instances of violence and abuses
were all fabricated? I was hoping that they would say that these
disgruntled people made it up.
But the C of S admitted it through Tommy Davis and these other high
executives who wrote these affidavit. This non-scientological behavior
took place over and over again in top management.
And it all boils down to that these people who did it were DM's right
hands for two decades. How can he have missed their tonelevels,
characters and abuses? How? How could he be so blind.
Some try to indicate that it just happened when he was not at the INT
base but travelling and that he handled it when he came back and he
named the time when the abuse stopped.
But the other writer of the affidavit says that the abuse continued
after the year in which the other writer of the affidavit said that it
stopped because DM had handled it! The handling was nothing
worth.
I was assigned twice to the deck and one person even tried to send me
to the RPF for having done nothing wrong. Nothing, except that I had
the guts tell that the orgs are infiltrated by non-Scientologists and
that was also why I was kicked out.
But DM and certain others come away with anything. With anything.
L. Ron Hubbard would send DM and the likes packing.
I know one thing for sure: the tonelevel of the leader is what the
juniors adopt. Under L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology was not only known
for being effective but also of being kind.
Scientologists beating up on each other was unheard of.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
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> realpch wrote:
>
> [.........]
>
> > Yes, publishing those affidavits poses the logical problems you outline.
> > I also chuckled at your repeated questions as to whether or not
> > Knowledge Reports were filed. One wonders if any being has had the
> > temerity to try to file a Knowledge Report about David Miscavige since
> > he assumed power over the Church of Scientology.
>
> Well, rumour has it that a public (and celebrity at that) clamette wrote a
> KR after seeing DM and Mrs Stuckenbrock patting each other in public. I
> don't think much came of it.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Jens
The affidavits state that the violence that took place was serious.
I saw the photo of Larisse Stuckenbrock resting her hand on DM's
shoulder like the hand of a wife, and I agree, it looks suspicious as
to what is going on there as they are married to other people.
But the violence is much worse: violent people never should get the
top positions in Scientology, they should not be in any org, they
should be turned over to the authorites. That is what DM should have
done. This is how the real L. Ron Hubbard would have handled it.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
wrote:
> If Rathbun and Miscavige had read and applied "How to live though an
> Executive" by L Ron Hubbard none of this need have happened.
I wonder what parts of L. Ron Hubbard's tech DM applies. To me it
seems none.
Scientology's and L. Ron Hubbard's reputation is being smeared. Guess
it is all excused with buying new buildings and uniforms of which L.
Ron Hubbard would have not approved either.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> schrieb im
> Newsbeitragnews:ebd8f1d8-de21-4573...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> read more »...
Gregory Hall
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Barbara Schwarz
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You still don't understand it, do you Barbara?
It's human nature to be violent. And it's in the teachings of Scientology to
advance violent people to positions of power. This is a basic failing of
LRH's. He did not understand the evil and guile that is at the core of every
human just waiting for a chance to manifest itself.
While Hubbard was in charge it appears he kept things under control by force
of will, if nothing else. The mean, violent types still acquired positions
of power but were afraid to display it. So they waited and bided their time.
When Hubbard died the mean, nasty and violent people quickly stepped in to
fill the void. The training they got made them even more mean, nasty and
violent so what did Scientology end up with? The Mike Rinders, Marty
Rathbuns (doppelganger, that is) and the David Miscaviges. All beating each
other up all the way to the top. The best pugilist won.
And you, by virtue of your basic kindness and gentleness were not adversely
affected by the training like these violent men were. That's why you got
kicked out because you did not fight like a violent man to keep your
position of power. You played by the rules and you lost out to the violent
men.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara loves Marty
> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara.schwarz2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
No, it is not. The human nature is to be good. And you don't know
Scientology.
You are an outsider.
Barbara Schwarz
> And it's in the teachings of Scientology to
> advance violent people to positions of power. This is a basic failing of
> LRH's. He did not understand the evil and guile that is at the core of every
> human just waiting for a chance to manifest itself.
>
> While Hubbard was in charge it appears he kept things under control by force
> of will, if nothing else. The mean, violent types still acquired positions
> of power but were afraid to display it. So they waited and bided their time.
>
> When Hubbard died the mean, nasty and violent people quickly stepped in to
> fill the void. The training they got made them even more mean, nasty and
> violent so what did Scientology end up with? The Mike Rinders, Marty
> Rathbuns (doppelganger, that is) and the David Miscaviges. All beating each
> other up all the way to the top. The best pugilist won.
>
> And you, by virtue of your basic kindness and gentleness were not adversely
> affected by the training like these violent men were. That's why you got
> kicked out because you did not fight like a violent man to keep your
> position of power. You played by the rules and you lost out to the violent
> men.
>
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<snip>
> No, it is not. The human nature is to be good. And you don't know
> Scientology.
> You are an outsider.
Sometimes an outsider sees more clearly from his vantage point high on a
hill. And if human nature is to be good then why all the wars and
violence - even towards innocent children and animals? Why are the prisons
full of millions of bad people. Why is government run by thieves and crooks?
Why all the gangs and drug addicts. Why the pimps and whores and the johns
who pay for them?
Satan holds sway over the Earth. Under his influence evil prevails. Good
people are still in the minority. That is why Christianity is so important.
It's the only thing that's keeping Satan somewhat at bay. Scientology will
never accomplish anything worthwhile on a grand scale against Satan until
and unless they renounce Satan and embrace God.
--
Gregory Hall