The "forged" control message that started this newsgroup
Ron Newman
control messages sent for newsgroups that it carries. I
retrieved the following from
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/control/alt/alt.religion.scientology.Z
This site is very slow and overloaded, so please try to refrain
from going there yourself to check it out.
The short summary:
This newsgroup was "founded" in July of 1991 by a forged message sent
from a machine in the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.
Three non-forged "booster" newgroup messages were sent by various people
early in 1992, in an effort to increase its propagation. They
came from Lockheed Corporation, New York University, and
the University of Maine.
All was quiet on the "control" front until yesterday, when
Helena Kobrin sent an rmgroup from Netcom. Within a day,
three newgroup messages were sent by various people to
counter Helena's rmgroup.
The full text of all the control messages follows.
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From misca...@flag.sea.org Wed Jul 17 12:46:28 1991
Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!flag!miscaviage
From: misca...@flag.sea.org (David Miscaviage)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <80235@flag>
Date: 17 Jul 91 08:06:31 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Sender: ne...@ai.mit.edu
Lines: 0
Approved: misca...@flag.sea.org
From net...@leadsv.UUCP Sun Mar 1 22:08:15 1992
Path: rpi!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!iscnvx!leadsv!netnews
From: net...@leadsv.UUCP (Leads Network News)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <19...@leadsv.UUCP>
Date: 1 Mar 92 23:55:56 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Distribution: lmsc
Organization: LOCKHEED, Sunnyvale, CA
Lines: 0
Approved: net...@leadsv.UUCP
From da...@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU Wed Apr 1 13:11:25 1992
Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!att!princeton!udel!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!yale.edu!cmcl2!exchange!damir
From: da...@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU (Damir Mijacika)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <23...@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU>
Date: 1 Apr 92 16:12:32 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Distribution: nyu
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
Lines: 0
Approved: da...@exchange.GBA.NYU.EDU
From st...@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU Sun Apr 26 10:55:58 1992
Path: rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!decwrl!bu.edu!dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!gandalf!steve
From: st...@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Steve E. Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology.ctl
Subject: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <15...@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU>
Date: 25 Apr 92 23:16:41 GMT
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Distribution: umcs
Organization: University of Maine Department of Computer Science
Lines: 0
Approved: st...@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU
From hkk@netcom Wed Jan 11 18:13:11 1995
Control: rmgroup alt.religion.scientology
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.lotto.players,alt.lotto.players.ctl
Path: uunet!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!hkk
From: hkk@netcom
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <hkkD29...@netcom.com>
Followup-To: alt.config
Sender: h...@netcom.com (Helena Kobrin)
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:52:23 GMT
Lines: 17
Xref: uunet control:1568915
We request that you remove the alt.religion.scientology
newsgroup from your site. The reasons for requesting its
removal are: (1) It was started with a forged message; (2)
not discussed on alt.config; (3) it has the name
"scientology" in its title which is a trademark and is
misleading, as a.r.s. is mainly used for flamers to attack
the Scientology religion; (4) it has been and continues to be
heavily abused with copyright and trade secret violations and
serves no purpose other than condoning these illegal
practices.
Please confirm that you have removed this newsgroup from
your system.
Helena K. Kobrin
Counsel for trademark
and copyright owner
From d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu Wed Jan 11 21:34:29 1995
Path: uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!panacea.phys.utk.edu!dbd
From: d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu (David DeLaney)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.scientology.ctl
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Date: 12 Jan 1995 02:20:37 GMT
Organization: Formerly U. Tenn. Knoxville/Physics Dept.; presently extremely dis
Lines: 47
Approved: d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu
Message-ID: <3f23ll$i...@martha.utk.edu>
References: <hkkD29...@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: panacea.phys.utk.edu
Keywords: reversing a revenge/spite-rmgroup
Xref: uunet control:1569326
Sorry, kids; please carry out your harassment campaign against the
a.r.s newsgroup by other means. Cancellation is bad enough; rmgrouping out
of spite is Not A Good Idea, thanks. And while you're there, hkk, tell us
please who the person at Netcom that's cancelling other people's
messages in a.r.s is, why don't ya?
For your newsgroups file:
alt.religion.scientology He's dead, Jim
(alternatively:
alt.religion.scientology Discussion of the belief-system Scientology)
In article <hkkD29...@netcom.com> hkk@netcom writes:
> We request that you remove the alt.religion.scientology
> newsgroup from your site. The reasons for requesting its
> removal are: (1) It was started with a forged message; (2)
> not discussed on alt.config;
Nonsense. One doesn't rmgroup active thriving groups simply because they
were "not discussed on alt.config", *especially* not several years *after*
they were newgrouped. You've got the wrong alt.* hierarchy here, methinks.
(3) it has the name
> "scientology" in its title which is a trademark and is
> misleading, as a.r.s. is mainly used for flamers to attack
> the Scientology religion;
So what's your point? Are you maintaining that nobody can use a trademarked
word? Are you maintaining that nobody can attack the Scientology religion?
Again, I think you have quite the wrong alt.* hierarchy here...
(4) it has been and continues to be
> heavily abused with copyright and trade secret violations and
> serves no purpose other than condoning these illegal practices.
Um, I think you're seriously confused; this is alt.religion.scientology,
not alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.scientologists . "Trade secret violations"?
For a *religion*? I think you have the wrong United States of America here...
Dave "And next I suppose they'll say they've copyrighted the word
'Scientology' - L. Ron would be furious!" DeLaney
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From dav...@netcom.com Wed Jan 11 23:47:35 1995
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Newsgroups: alt.config
Path: uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!davidg
From: dav...@netcom.com (David Guntner)
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <davidgD2...@netcom.com>
Organization: What a concept! :-)
References: <hkkD29...@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 03:43:00 GMT
Approved: dav...@netcom.com
Lines: 60
Xref: uunet control:1569546
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This was very likely a forgery. The From: line is botched, and a Sender:
line is present.
netcom:$ egrep alt.religion.scientology /usr/lib/news/active
alt.religion.scientology 0000027549 07508 y
Judging from 27,000+ articles received since it was created, this is not
a newly created group; it's been around a while. The reasons he gives
for requesting a rmgroup are most likely as bogus as the "address" he was
posting from.
The orignal article was:
> Xref: netcom.com control:923876
> Control: rmgroup alt.religion.scientology
> Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.lotto.players,alt.lotto.players.ctl
> Path: netcom.com!hkk
> From: hkk@netcom
> Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.religion.scientology
> Message-ID: <hkkD29...@netcom.com>
> Followup-To: alt.config
> Sender: h...@netcom.com (Helena Kobrin)
> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:52:23 GMT
> Lines: 17
>
> We request that you remove the alt.religion.scientology
> newsgroup from your site. The reasons for requesting its
> removal are: (1) It was started with a forged message; (2)
> not discussed on alt.config; (3) it has the name
> "scientology" in its title which is a trademark and is
> misleading, as a.r.s. is mainly used for flamers to attack
> the Scientology religion; (4) it has been and continues to be
> heavily abused with copyright and trade secret violations and
> serves no purpose other than condoning these illegal
> practices.
>
> Please confirm that you have removed this newsgroup from
> your system.
>
> Helena K. Kobrin
> Counsel for trademark
> and copyright owner
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From twpi...@quads.uchicago.edu Thu Jan 12 17:04:34 1995
Control: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Path: uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!quads!twpierce
From: twpi...@quads.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: newgroup alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <1995Jan12.2...@midway.uchicago.edu>
Sender: ne...@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
Reply-To: twpi...@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: alt.* cabal, Professor Emeritus
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 21:52:44 GMT
Approved: twpi...@quads.uchicago.edu (Tim Pierce)
Lines: 5
Xref: uunet control:1573115
This newgroup message for alt.religion.scientology is a
response to the Church of Scientology's recent rmgroup.
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Ron Newman rne...@athena.mit.edu
Chris Schafmeister
>UUnet apparently keeps copies of all newgroup and rmgroup
>control messages sent for newsgroups that it carries. I
>retrieved the following from
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/control/alt/alt.religion.scientology.Z
>This site is very slow and overloaded, so please try to refrain
>from going there yourself to check it out.
>The short summary:
>This newsgroup was "founded" in July of 1991 by a forged message sent
>from a machine in the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.
Wow! That is super cool! A secret origin!
I bet you they have L. Ron Hubbard's brain uploaded
into a computer somewhere deep in the MIT AI lab
and he created the group to try and "make up" for
creating Scientology in the first place.
Koos could you verify this for me?
>Three non-forged "booster" newgroup messages were sent by various people
>early in 1992, in an effort to increase its propagation. They
>came from Lockheed Corporation, New York University, and
>the University of Maine.
Hurray!
>All was quiet on the "control" front until yesterday, when
>Helena Kobrin sent an rmgroup from Netcom. Within a day,
>three newgroup messages were sent by various people to
>counter Helena's rmgroup.
Boooooo! Sssssssss!
(Hee hee)
>The full text of all the control messages follows.
[text deleted]
.Chris.
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