This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are interrelated:
1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to what has been done with the IAS; and 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
The first part here is about the IAS (International Association of Scientologists). This is a very little bit of what will be a bigger chapter in an upcoming book about the lies behind organized scientology's "corporate sortout".
The information listed here is a small part of the available information that will eventually be published and, IMHO, will be covered by several witnesses in future criminal and/or civil litigation.
To understand the IAS and what is really behind it one has to go back to the years prior to the IAS.
For years Hubbard took money from organized scientology (millions of dollars) while preaching to scientologists that he never got such money.
It would be too lengthy to go into a full history of this but suffice to say there were often pools of funds that were used to funnel money to Hubbard whether it be in the days the guardians office worked with "LRH Accounts" on same or later days where Miscavige just took the money and sent it to Hubbard.
One of the big legal problems that initially the GO had and later the CMO (Commodores Messenger Organization) had was Hubbard really was running all this and money really was inureing to his personal benefit and there was the ever present danger that the likes of the IRS would find out, thus destroying any chance of tax exempt status for organized scientology's corporations in the USA.
One "solution" earlier on was to have a phony corporation called "Religious Research Foundation" ("RRF") that would hold all the funds paid for flag services from people and organizations outside of the USA. It seemed relatively easy to hide this money when Flag was on a ship so RRF's funds were often used for sending money to Hubbard secretly that he never really earned legally. (RRF was hardly the only example but I just use it here to give some background behind what led to the IAS). At the very least it was felt that this information could be kept from the likes of the IRS and civil litigants.
Well, when flag moved to Florida and it was later decided that it would have to now officially become part of the corporation known as the church of scientology of California, suddenly for the first time those flag services were being performed within the USA and clearly under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Now the fact that millions of that money had inured to Hubbard's benefit was a big issue and an additional cover-up was needed.
Although organized scientology feels that they have addressed issues like this and all was "made whole" with the 1993 tax agreement with the IRS and their paying the IRS $12.5 million, really they got away with a lot of lies.
The point in this posting is not to discuss the legal and tax aspects of RRF but rather to point out how organized scientology felt that they needed and wanted funds they could control that were outside the jurisdiction of the IRS or any other government entities.
Wrestling with such issues as this have constantly been problems with organized scientology in part due to the fact that they were hiding the fact that Hubbard really controlled things and actually got millions of dollars for same. It's still a huge problem now as they try to hide the fact that Miscavige controls everything of substance.
Back in the mid 70s before flag came to shore in Florida and while "international funds" like those held in RRF accounts were used for Hubbard's benefit, there were other attempts lead by Hubbard to hide all this and on the other hand deal with anything the IRS might do. For example, in the mid 70s Hubbard had the GO set up back-up corporations for all scientology "churches" in the USA in the event the IRS seized the then current churches' bank accounts and other physical assets through what was known as "jeopardy assessment" (basically a fast seizure of assets without having to go through years of litigation).
We set up what was then secretly known as the "Greater Churches of Scientology" where, for example, we had the church of scientology of Boston, we also had a secret "Greater Church of Scientology of Boston" that could be used to take over if the IRS seized the assets of the existing Boston corporation. The new "Greater" corporations would be funded with money outside of the USA and outside of the reach of the IRS.
So again, we see organized scientology needing to have funds outside the reach of US governmental agencies yet still under the control of the powers that be (Hubbard and those running things under him and later Miscavige).
To accomplish this organized scientology would need a "corporate sortout" that could hide the real controls of things and that would make it prohibitively costly for ANYONE, government or private, to try to pierce all the corporate veils.
With the biggest money making parts of organized scientology now being in the USA (Flag, the major orgs in Los Angeles and international management that controlled almost all the funds of scientology around the world) something was needed to get funds going back out of the USA and outside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
This is PART of what was behind the IAS. (I will not here attempt to cover other ways of doing this here such as through various trusts then created, etc., etc.)
(An interesting sideline note here is that per its filings with the IRS, organized scientology has again set it up so that at least some of the funds paid for flag services from those outside of the US again go to an entity outside of the USA for holding until services are delivered. While this is in and of itself not illegal, it's interesting. Could it be that history is repeating itself here and part of the money is misused? I don't know but given their track record it should be looked into).
The other part of what was behind the "need" for the IAS had to do with so many millions of dollars of the funds of organized scientology being subject to refund claims. This was mostly the unused portions of advanced payments made for services at orgs.
Even in 1982 and 1983, although the total of potentially refundable advanced payments then were far less than they apparently are now, it was still a major issue and we were wrestling with this subject during the entire corporate evolution and its many changes.
One of the very attorneys who was working on this with myself and my crew, later just came up with the basic IAS plan legally as a way to deal with all the above.
In short, it would result in the bulk of the monies being able to be outside of the USA, it could potentially build millions of non refundable money and, it was hoped by them, it would all be out of the jurisdiction of the IRS and other federal US governmental agencies (even safe from damages claimants) so DM and his folks could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it.
The trick now was how to sell it to scientologists using PR and lies. Public scientologists were already paying fortunes for auditing and training. How could organized scientology get them to ALSO pay to the IAS (memberships and straightforward donations)?
Missions were sent to research membership organizations and other such things. Also missions were sent to pull off one of the greatest scams on public scientologists in the history or organized scientology. It was made to look like somehow all these concerned scientologists from around the world somehow joined together for freedom or whatever, wrote the founding document for the IAS and somehow voted it into existence.
Organized scientology actually pulled it off to make it look like this was somehow like the signing of the declaration of independence in the USA, some great, spontaneous, altruistic and brave deed towards freedom
The truth was very different. Missions actually vetted what public scientologists would go to the key events to pull this all off, the founding document was drafted by attorneys and PR people not "the public" and in short it was a well timed operation pulled off by DM and his folks to trick the public into thinking they were behind all this and somehow the IAS was put into existence for altruistic purposes.
Just like was done in so many other areas of the "corporate evolution" of organized scientology, the public was fooled with the set-up of the IAS.
There are three people who can give evidence to prove all aspects of this and more are willing to speak out as well.
(Wait until the truth is published about such things as WISE, for example, where you will see the Hubbard telexes and the like to show it was initially a covert way to fund the GO criminal defenses (for MarySue, Jane Kember, etc.) and then evolved to be a way to control all public scientologists in business and get more money from them. The GO was getting funded by missions back then but it was not enough to also cover the criminal defenses).
I can tell you with zero doubt that there were tremendous lies behind the formation of organized scientology's corporate structure and that it was built around total central control reflecting both Hubbard's and DM's paranoia.. It was to hide assets from others and to "protect" and hide those that covertly ran organized scientology.
Understanding the above being behind the formation of the IAS, leads me to form my own opinions behind what is behind the "ideal org" buildings. I have seen many things about the funds being raised for these buildings including events, newsletters, mass emails, etc.
For example, there was that Vancouver Ideal Org newsletter that I talked about on one of the radio programs I was on with Bruce Hines. They raised a million or so in money and pledges using celebrities at events and creating award levels to "recognize" donors like they did with the IAS.
SME wrote: > This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are > interrelated:
> 1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; > 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to > what has been done with the IAS; and > 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
> The first part here is about the IAS (International Association of > Scientologists). This is a very little bit of what will be a bigger > chapter in an upcoming book about the lies behind organized > scientology's "corporate sortout".
> The information listed here is a small part of the available > information that will eventually be published and, IMHO, will be > covered by several witnesses in future criminal and/or civil > litigation.
> To understand the IAS and what is really behind it one has to go back > to the years prior to the IAS.
> For years Hubbard took money from organized scientology (millions of > dollars) while preaching to scientologists that he never got such > money.
> It would be too lengthy to go into a full history of this but suffice > to say there were often pools of funds that were used to funnel money > to Hubbard whether it be in the days the guardians office worked with > "LRH Accounts" on same or later days where Miscavige just took the > money and sent it to Hubbard.
> One of the big legal problems that initially the GO had and later the > CMO (Commodores Messenger Organization) had was Hubbard really was > running all this and money really was inureing to his personal benefit > and there was the ever present danger that the likes of the IRS would > find out, thus destroying any chance of tax exempt status for > organized scientology's corporations in the USA.
> One "solution" earlier on was to have a phony corporation called > "Religious Research Foundation" ("RRF") that would hold all the funds > paid for flag services from people and organizations outside of the > USA. It seemed relatively easy to hide this money when Flag was on a > ship so RRF's funds were often used for sending money to Hubbard > secretly that he never really earned legally. (RRF was hardly the only > example but I just use it here to give some background behind what led > to the IAS). At the very least it was felt that this information could > be kept from the likes of the IRS and civil litigants.
> Well, when flag moved to Florida and it was later decided that it > would have to now officially become part of the corporation known as > the church of scientology of California, suddenly for the first time > those flag services were being performed within the USA and clearly > under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Now the fact that millions of that > money had inured to Hubbard's benefit was a big issue and an > additional cover-up was needed.
> Although organized scientology feels that they have addressed issues > like this and all was "made whole" with the 1993 tax agreement with > the IRS and their paying the IRS $12.5 million, really they got away > with a lot of lies.
> The point in this posting is not to discuss the legal and tax aspects > of RRF but rather to point out how organized scientology felt that > they needed and wanted funds they could control that were outside the > jurisdiction of the IRS or any other government entities.
> Wrestling with such issues as this have constantly been problems with > organized scientology in part due to the fact that they were hiding > the fact that Hubbard really controlled things and actually got > millions of dollars for same. It's still a huge problem now as they > try to hide the fact that Miscavige controls everything of substance.
> Back in the mid 70s before flag came to shore in Florida and while > "international funds" like those held in RRF accounts were used for > Hubbard's benefit, there were other attempts lead by Hubbard to hide > all this and on the other hand deal with anything the IRS might do. > For example, in the mid 70s Hubbard had the GO set up back-up > corporations for all scientology "churches" in the USA in the event > the IRS seized the then current churches' bank accounts and other > physical assets through what was known as "jeopardy > assessment" (basically a fast seizure of assets without having to go > through years of litigation).
> We set up what was then secretly known as the "Greater Churches of > Scientology" where, for example, we had the church of scientology of > Boston, we also had a secret "Greater Church of Scientology of Boston" > that could be used to take over if the IRS seized the assets of the > existing Boston corporation. The new "Greater" corporations would be > funded with money outside of the USA and outside of the reach of the > IRS.
> So again, we see organized scientology needing to have funds outside > the reach of US governmental agencies yet still under the control of > the powers that be (Hubbard and those running things under him and > later Miscavige).
> To accomplish this organized scientology would need a "corporate > sortout" that could hide the real controls of things and that would > make it prohibitively costly for ANYONE, government or private, to try > to pierce all the corporate veils.
> With the biggest money making parts of organized scientology now being > in the USA (Flag, the major orgs in Los Angeles and international > management that controlled almost all the funds of scientology around > the world) something was needed to get funds going back out of the USA > and outside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
> This is PART of what was behind the IAS. (I will not here attempt to > cover other ways of doing this here such as through various trusts > then created, etc., etc.)
> (An interesting sideline note here is that per its filings with the > IRS, organized scientology has again set it up so that at least some > of the funds paid for flag services from those outside of the US again > go to an entity outside of the USA for holding until services are > delivered. While this is in and of itself not illegal, it's > interesting. Could it be that history is repeating itself here and > part of the money is misused? I don't know but given their track > record it should be looked into).
> The other part of what was behind the "need" for the IAS had to do > with so many millions of dollars of the funds of organized scientology > being subject to refund claims. This was mostly the unused portions of > advanced payments made for services at orgs.
> Even in 1982 and 1983, although the total of potentially refundable > advanced payments then were far less than they apparently are now, it > was still a major issue and we were wrestling with this subject during > the entire corporate evolution and its many changes.
> One of the very attorneys who was working on this with myself and my > crew, later just came up with the basic IAS plan legally as a way to > deal with all the above.
> In short, it would result in the bulk of the monies being able to be > outside of the USA, it could potentially build millions of non > refundable money and, it was hoped by them, it would all be out of the > jurisdiction of the IRS and other federal US governmental agencies > (even safe from damages claimants) so DM and his folks could pretty > much do whatever they wanted with it.
> The trick now was how to sell it to scientologists using PR and lies. > Public scientologists were already paying fortunes for auditing and > training. How could organized scientology get them to ALSO pay to the > IAS (memberships and straightforward donations)?
> Missions were sent to research membership organizations and other such > things. Also missions were sent to pull off one of the greatest scams > on public scientologists in the history or organized scientology. It > was made to look like somehow all these concerned scientologists from > around the world somehow joined together for freedom or whatever, > wrote the founding document for the IAS and somehow voted it into > existence.
> Organized scientology actually pulled it off to make it look like this > was somehow like the signing of the declaration of independence in the > USA, some great, spontaneous, altruistic and brave deed towards > freedom
> The truth was very different. Missions actually vetted what public > scientologists would go to the key events to pull this all off, the > founding document was drafted by attorneys and PR people not "the > public" and in short it was a well timed operation pulled off by DM > and his folks to trick the public into thinking they were behind all > this and somehow the IAS was put into existence for altruistic > purposes.
> Just like was done in so many other areas of the "corporate evolution" > of organized scientology, the public was fooled with the set-up of the > IAS.
> There are three people who can give evidence to prove all aspects of > this and more are willing to speak out as well.
> (Wait until the truth is published about such things as WISE, for > example, where you will see the Hubbard telexes and the like to show > it was initially a covert way to fund the GO criminal defenses (for > MarySue, Jane Kember, etc.) and then evolved to be a way to control > all public scientologists in business and get more money from them. > The GO was getting funded by missions back then but it was not enough > to also cover the criminal defenses).
> I can tell you with zero doubt that there were tremendous lies behind > the formation of organized scientology's corporate structure and that > it was built around total central control reflecting both Hubbard's > and DM's paranoia.. It was to hide assets from others and to "protect" > and hide those that covertly ran organized scientology.
> Understanding the above being behind the formation of the IAS, leads > me to form my own opinions behind what is behind the "ideal org" > buildings. I have seen many
> This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are > interrelated:
> 1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; > 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to > what has been done with the IAS; and > 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
> The first part here is about the IAS (International Association of > Scientologists). This is a very little bit of what will be a bigger > chapter in an upcoming book about the lies behind organized > scientology's "corporate sortout".
> The information listed here is a small part of the available > information that will eventually be published and, IMHO, will be > covered by several witnesses in future criminal and/or civil > litigation.
> To understand the IAS and what is really behind it one has to go back > to the years prior to the IAS.
> For years Hubbard took money from organized scientology (millions of > dollars) while preaching to scientologists that he never got such > money.
> It would be too lengthy to go into a full history of this but suffice > to say there were often pools of funds that were used to funnel money > to Hubbard whether it be in the days the guardians office worked with > "LRH Accounts" on same or later days where Miscavige just took the > money and sent it to Hubbard.
> One of the big legal problems that initially the GO had and later the > CMO (Commodores Messenger Organization) had was Hubbard really was > running all this and money really was inureing to his personal benefit > and there was the ever present danger that the likes of the IRS would > find out, thus destroying any chance of tax exempt status for > organized scientology's corporations in the USA.
> One "solution" earlier on was to have a phony corporation called > "Religious Research Foundation" ("RRF") that would hold all the funds > paid for flag services from people and organizations outside of the > USA. It seemed relatively easy to hide this money when Flag was on a > ship so RRF's funds were often used for sending money to Hubbard > secretly that he never really earned legally. (RRF was hardly the only > example but I just use it here to give some background behind what led > to the IAS). At the very least it was felt that this information could > be kept from the likes of the IRS and civil litigants.
> Well, when flag moved to Florida and it was later decided that it > would have to now officially become part of the corporation known as > the church of scientology of California, suddenly for the first time > those flag services were being performed within the USA and clearly > under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Now the fact that millions of that > money had inured to Hubbard's benefit was a big issue and an > additional cover-up was needed.
> Although organized scientology feels that they have addressed issues > like this and all was "made whole" with the 1993 tax agreement with > the IRS and their paying the IRS $12.5 million, really they got away > with a lot of lies.
> The point in this posting is not to discuss the legal and tax aspects > of RRF but rather to point out how organized scientology felt that > they needed and wanted funds they could control that were outside the > jurisdiction of the IRS or any other government entities.
> Wrestling with such issues as this have constantly been problems with > organized scientology in part due to the fact that they were hiding > the fact that Hubbard really controlled things and actually got > millions of dollars for same. It's still a huge problem now as they > try to hide the fact that Miscavige controls everything of substance.
> Back in the mid 70s before flag came to shore in Florida and while > "international funds" like those held in RRF accounts were used for > Hubbard's benefit, there were other attempts lead by Hubbard to hide > all this and on the other hand deal with anything the IRS might do. > For example, in the mid 70s Hubbard had the GO set up back-up > corporations for all scientology "churches" in the USA in the event > the IRS seized the then current churches' bank accounts and other > physical assets through what was known as "jeopardy > assessment" (basically a fast seizure of assets without having to go > through years of litigation).
> We set up what was then secretly known as the "Greater Churches of > Scientology" where, for example, we had the church of scientology of > Boston, we also had a secret "Greater Church of Scientology of Boston" > that could be used to take over if the IRS seized the assets of the > existing Boston corporation. The new "Greater" corporations would be > funded with money outside of the USA and outside of the reach of the > IRS.
> So again, we see organized scientology needing to have funds outside > the reach of US governmental agencies yet still under the control of > the powers that be (Hubbard and those running things under him and > later Miscavige).
> To accomplish this organized scientology would need a "corporate > sortout" that could hide the real controls of things and that would > make it prohibitively costly for ANYONE, government or private, to try > to pierce all the corporate veils.
> With the biggest money making parts of organized scientology now being > in the USA (Flag, the major orgs in Los Angeles and international > management that controlled almost all the funds of scientology around > the world) something was needed to get funds going back out of the USA > and outside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
> This is PART of what was behind the IAS. (I will not here attempt to > cover other ways of doing this here such as through various trusts > then created, etc., etc.)
> (An interesting sideline note here is that per its filings with the > IRS, organized scientology has again set it up so that at least some > of the funds paid for flag services from those outside of the US again > go to an entity outside of the USA for holding until services are > delivered. While this is in and of itself not illegal, it's > interesting. Could it be that history is repeating itself here and > part of the money is misused? I don't know but given their track > record it should be looked into).
> The other part of what was behind the "need" for the IAS had to do > with so many millions of dollars of the funds of organized scientology > being subject to refund claims. This was mostly the unused portions of > advanced payments made for services at orgs.
> Even in 1982 and 1983, although the total of potentially refundable > advanced payments then were far less than they apparently are now, it > was still a major issue and we were wrestling with this subject during > the entire corporate evolution and its many changes.
> One of the very attorneys who was working on this with myself and my > crew, later just came up with the basic IAS plan legally as a way to > deal with all the above.
> In short, it would result in the bulk of the monies being able to be > outside of the USA, it could potentially build millions of non > refundable money and, it was hoped by them, it would all be out of the > jurisdiction of the IRS and other federal US governmental agencies > (even safe from damages claimants) so DM and his folks could pretty > much do whatever they wanted with it.
> The trick now was how to sell it to scientologists using PR and lies. > Public scientologists were already paying fortunes for auditing and > training. How could organized scientology get them to ALSO pay to the > IAS (memberships and straightforward donations)?
> Missions were sent to research membership organizations and other such > things. Also missions were sent to pull off one of the greatest scams > on public scientologists in the history or organized scientology. It > was made to look like somehow all these concerned scientologists from > around the world somehow joined together for freedom or whatever, > wrote the founding document for the IAS and somehow voted it into > existence.
> Organized scientology actually pulled it off to make it look like this > was somehow like the signing of the declaration of independence in the > USA, some great, spontaneous, altruistic and brave deed towards > freedom
> The truth was very different. Missions actually vetted what public > scientologists would go to the key events to pull this all off, the > founding document was drafted by attorneys and PR people not "the > public" and in short it was a well timed operation pulled off by DM > and his folks to trick the public into thinking they were behind all > this and somehow the IAS was put into existence for altruistic > purposes.
> Just like was done in so many other areas of the "corporate evolution" > of organized scientology, the public was fooled with the set-up of the > IAS.
> There are three people who can give evidence to prove all aspects of > this and more are willing to speak out as well.
> (Wait until the truth is published about such things as WISE, for > example, where you will see the Hubbard telexes and the like to show > it was initially a covert way to fund the GO criminal defenses (for > MarySue, Jane Kember, etc.) and then evolved to be a way to control > all public scientologists in business and get more money from them. > The GO was getting funded by missions back then but it was not enough > to also cover the criminal defenses).
> I can tell you with zero doubt that there were tremendous lies behind > the formation of organized scientology's corporate structure and that > it was built around total central control reflecting both Hubbard's > and DM's paranoia.. It was to hide assets from others and to "protect" > and hide those that covertly ran organized scientology.
> Understanding the above being behind the formation of the IAS, leads > me to form my own opinions behind what is behind the "ideal org" > buildings. I
SME wrote: > This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are > interrelated:
> 1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; > 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to > what has been done with the IAS; and > 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
> The first part here is about the IAS (International Association of > Scientologists). This is a very little bit of what will be a bigger > chapter in an upcoming book about the lies behind organized > scientology's "corporate sortout".
> The information listed here is a small part of the available > information that will eventually be published and, IMHO, will be > covered by several witnesses in future criminal and/or civil > litigation.
> To understand the IAS and what is really behind it one has to go back > to the years prior to the IAS.
> For years Hubbard took money from organized scientology (millions of > dollars) while preaching to scientologists that he never got such > money.
> It would be too lengthy to go into a full history of this but suffice > to say there were often pools of funds that were used to funnel money > to Hubbard whether it be in the days the guardians office worked with > "LRH Accounts" on same or later days where Miscavige just took the > money and sent it to Hubbard.
> One of the big legal problems that initially the GO had and later the > CMO (Commodores Messenger Organization) had was Hubbard really was > running all this and money really was inureing to his personal benefit > and there was the ever present danger that the likes of the IRS would > find out, thus destroying any chance of tax exempt status for > organized scientology's corporations in the USA.
> One "solution" earlier on was to have a phony corporation called > "Religious Research Foundation" ("RRF") that would hold all the funds > paid for flag services from people and organizations outside of the > USA. It seemed relatively easy to hide this money when Flag was on a > ship so RRF's funds were often used for sending money to Hubbard > secretly that he never really earned legally. (RRF was hardly the only > example but I just use it here to give some background behind what led > to the IAS). At the very least it was felt that this information could > be kept from the likes of the IRS and civil litigants.
> Well, when flag moved to Florida and it was later decided that it > would have to now officially become part of the corporation known as > the church of scientology of California, suddenly for the first time > those flag services were being performed within the USA and clearly > under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Now the fact that millions of that > money had inured to Hubbard's benefit was a big issue and an > additional cover-up was needed.
> Although organized scientology feels that they have addressed issues > like this and all was "made whole" with the 1993 tax agreement with > the IRS and their paying the IRS $12.5 million, really they got away > with a lot of lies.
> The point in this posting is not to discuss the legal and tax aspects > of RRF but rather to point out how organized scientology felt that > they needed and wanted funds they could control that were outside the > jurisdiction of the IRS or any other government entities.
> Wrestling with such issues as this have constantly been problems with > organized scientology in part due to the fact that they were hiding > the fact that Hubbard really controlled things and actually got > millions of dollars for same. It's still a huge problem now as they > try to hide the fact that Miscavige controls everything of substance.
> Back in the mid 70s before flag came to shore in Florida and while > "international funds" like those held in RRF accounts were used for > Hubbard's benefit, there were other attempts lead by Hubbard to hide > all this and on the other hand deal with anything the IRS might do. > For example, in the mid 70s Hubbard had the GO set up back-up > corporations for all scientology "churches" in the USA in the event > the IRS seized the then current churches' bank accounts and other > physical assets through what was known as "jeopardy > assessment" (basically a fast seizure of assets without having to go > through years of litigation).
> We set up what was then secretly known as the "Greater Churches of > Scientology" where, for example, we had the church of scientology of > Boston, we also had a secret "Greater Church of Scientology of Boston" > that could be used to take over if the IRS seized the assets of the > existing Boston corporation. The new "Greater" corporations would be > funded with money outside of the USA and outside of the reach of the > IRS.
> So again, we see organized scientology needing to have funds outside > the reach of US governmental agencies yet still under the control of > the powers that be (Hubbard and those running things under him and > later Miscavige).
> To accomplish this organized scientology would need a "corporate > sortout" that could hide the real controls of things and that would > make it prohibitively costly for ANYONE, government or private, to try > to pierce all the corporate veils.
> With the biggest money making parts of organized scientology now being > in the USA (Flag, the major orgs in Los Angeles and international > management that controlled almost all the funds of scientology around > the world) something was needed to get funds going back out of the USA > and outside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
> This is PART of what was behind the IAS. (I will not here attempt to > cover other ways of doing this here such as through various trusts > then created, etc., etc.)
> (An interesting sideline note here is that per its filings with the > IRS, organized scientology has again set it up so that at least some > of the funds paid for flag services from those outside of the US again > go to an entity outside of the USA for holding until services are > delivered. While this is in and of itself not illegal, it's > interesting. Could it be that history is repeating itself here and > part of the money is misused? I don't know but given their track > record it should be looked into).
> The other part of what was behind the "need" for the IAS had to do > with so many millions of dollars of the funds of organized scientology > being subject to refund claims. This was mostly the unused portions of > advanced payments made for services at orgs.
> Even in 1982 and 1983, although the total of potentially refundable > advanced payments then were far less than they apparently are now, it > was still a major issue and we were wrestling with this subject during > the entire corporate evolution and its many changes.
> One of the very attorneys who was working on this with myself and my > crew, later just came up with the basic IAS plan legally as a way to > deal with all the above.
> In short, it would result in the bulk of the monies being able to be > outside of the USA, it could potentially build millions of non > refundable money and, it was hoped by them, it would all be out of the > jurisdiction of the IRS and other federal US governmental agencies > (even safe from damages claimants) so DM and his folks could pretty > much do whatever they wanted with it.
> The trick now was how to sell it to scientologists using PR and lies. > Public scientologists were already paying fortunes for auditing and > training. How could organized scientology get them to ALSO pay to the > IAS (memberships and straightforward donations)?
> Missions were sent to research membership organizations and other such > things. Also missions were sent to pull off one of the greatest scams > on public scientologists in the history or organized scientology. It > was made to look like somehow all these concerned scientologists from > around the world somehow joined together for freedom or whatever, > wrote the founding document for the IAS and somehow voted it into > existence.
> Organized scientology actually pulled it off to make it look like this > was somehow like the signing of the declaration of independence in the > USA, some great, spontaneous, altruistic and brave deed towards > freedom
> The truth was very different. Missions actually vetted what public > scientologists would go to the key events to pull this all off, the > founding document was drafted by attorneys and PR people not "the > public" and in short it was a well timed operation pulled off by DM > and his folks to trick the public into thinking they were behind all > this and somehow the IAS was put into existence for altruistic > purposes.
> Just like was done in so many other areas of the "corporate evolution" > of organized scientology, the public was fooled with the set-up of the > IAS.
> There are three people who can give evidence to prove all aspects of > this and more are willing to speak out as well.
> (Wait until the truth is published about such things as WISE, for > example, where you will see the Hubbard telexes and the like to show > it was initially a covert way to fund the GO criminal defenses (for > MarySue, Jane Kember, etc.) and then evolved to be a way to control > all public scientologists in business and get more money from them. > The GO was getting funded by missions back then but it was not enough > to also cover the criminal defenses).
> I can tell you with zero doubt that there were tremendous lies behind > the formation of organized scientology's corporate structure and that > it was built around total central control reflecting both Hubbard's > and DM's paranoia.. It was to hide assets from others and to "protect" > and hide those that covertly ran organized scientology.
> Understanding the above being behind the formation of the IAS, leads > me to form my own opinions behind what is behind
> And once again as it did with some of the IAS funds, organized > scientology is deceiving its own public to give it non refundable > funds that it can control from a central source and hopefully (in its > view) keep away from government bodies and/or damages claimants.
This is the point I keep on not understanding. If the aim is to keep as much money as possible out of reach of government bodies or damages claimants (a reasonable assumption), why are they spending so much of it on buying big, unnecessary, conspicuous buildings? They're the easiest assets of all to seize. It makes no sense to me at all. (It doesn't have to make sense, of course, since we're dealing with decisions taken by DM here.)
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> The thing is when you confront most scientologists with things like > this, they will argue with you as they truly have no idea they have > been deceived by their own "church" top management. They are in the > main not bad people at all. They have been duped and truly have no > clue of the real facts.
There is an alternative explanation. People with enough critical thinking skills to think about these glaringly obvious issues will likely not get into Scientology in the first place, or if they do won't stay Scientologists for any length of time. The loyal membership are the ones who refuse, or are unable, to think at all about how they might possibly be being duped.
> This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are > interrelated:
> 1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; > 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to > what has been done with the IAS; and > 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
> The first part here is about the IAS (International Association of > Scientologists). This is a very little bit of what will be a bigger > chapter in an upcoming book about the lies behind organized > scientology's "corporate sortout".
> The information listed here is a small part of the available > information that will eventually be published and, IMHO, will be > covered by several witnesses in future criminal and/or civil > litigation.
> To understand the IAS and what is really behind it one has to go back > to the years prior to the IAS.
> For years Hubbard took money from organized scientology (millions of > dollars) while preaching to scientologists that he never got such > money.
> It would be too lengthy to go into a full history of this but suffice > to say there were often pools of funds that were used to funnel money > to Hubbard whether it be in the days the guardians office worked with > "LRH Accounts" on same or later days where Miscavige just took the > money and sent it to Hubbard.
> One of the big legal problems that initially the GO had and later the > CMO (Commodores Messenger Organization) had was Hubbard really was > running all this and money really was inureing to his personal benefit > and there was the ever present danger that the likes of the IRS would > find out, thus destroying any chance of tax exempt status for > organized scientology's corporations in the USA.
> One "solution" earlier on was to have a phony corporation called > "Religious Research Foundation" ("RRF") that would hold all the funds > paid for flag services from people and organizations outside of the > USA. It seemed relatively easy to hide this money when Flag was on a > ship so RRF's funds were often used for sending money to Hubbard > secretly that he never really earned legally. (RRF was hardly the only > example but I just use it here to give some background behind what led > to the IAS). At the very least it was felt that this information could > be kept from the likes of the IRS and civil litigants.
> Well, when flag moved to Florida and it was later decided that it > would have to now officially become part of the corporation known as > the church of scientology of California, suddenly for the first time > those flag services were being performed within the USA and clearly > under the jurisdiction of the IRS. Now the fact that millions of that > money had inured to Hubbard's benefit was a big issue and an > additional cover-up was needed.
> Although organized scientology feels that they have addressed issues > like this and all was "made whole" with the 1993 tax agreement with > the IRS and their paying the IRS $12.5 million, really they got away > with a lot of lies.
> The point in this posting is not to discuss the legal and tax aspects > of RRF but rather to point out how organized scientology felt that > they needed and wanted funds they could control that were outside the > jurisdiction of the IRS or any other government entities.
> Wrestling with such issues as this have constantly been problems with > organized scientology in part due to the fact that they were hiding > the fact that Hubbard really controlled things and actually got > millions of dollars for same. It's still a huge problem now as they > try to hide the fact that Miscavige controls everything of substance.
> Back in the mid 70s before flag came to shore in Florida and while > "international funds" like those held in RRF accounts were used for > Hubbard's benefit, there were other attempts lead by Hubbard to hide > all this and on the other hand deal with anything the IRS might do. > For example, in the mid 70s Hubbard had the GO set up back-up > corporations for all scientology "churches" in the USA in the event > the IRS seized the then current churches' bank accounts and other > physical assets through what was known as "jeopardy > assessment" (basically a fast seizure of assets without having to go > through years of litigation).
> We set up what was then secretly known as the "Greater Churches of > Scientology" where, for example, we had the church of scientology of > Boston, we also had a secret "Greater Church of Scientology of Boston" > that could be used to take over if the IRS seized the assets of the > existing Boston corporation. The new "Greater" corporations would be > funded with money outside of the USA and outside of the reach of the > IRS.
> So again, we see organized scientology needing to have funds outside > the reach of US governmental agencies yet still under the control of > the powers that be (Hubbard and those running things under him and > later Miscavige).
> To accomplish this organized scientology would need a "corporate > sortout" that could hide the real controls of things and that would > make it prohibitively costly for ANYONE, government or private, to try > to pierce all the corporate veils.
> With the biggest money making parts of organized scientology now being > in the USA (Flag, the major orgs in Los Angeles and international > management that controlled almost all the funds of scientology around > the world) something was needed to get funds going back out of the USA > and outside the jurisdiction of the IRS.
> This is PART of what was behind the IAS. (I will not here attempt to > cover other ways of doing this here such as through various trusts > then created, etc., etc.)
> (An interesting sideline note here is that per its filings with the > IRS, organized scientology has again set it up so that at least some > of the funds paid for flag services from those outside of the US again > go to an entity outside of the USA for holding until services are > delivered. While this is in and of itself not illegal, it's > interesting. Could it be that history is repeating itself here and > part of the money is misused? I don't know but given their track > record it should be looked into).
> The other part of what was behind the "need" for the IAS had to do > with so many millions of dollars of the funds of organized scientology > being subject to refund claims. This was mostly the unused portions of > advanced payments made for services at orgs.
> Even in 1982 and 1983, although the total of potentially refundable > advanced payments then were far less than they apparently are now, it > was still a major issue and we were wrestling with this subject during > the entire corporate evolution and its many changes.
> One of the very attorneys who was working on this with myself and my > crew, later just came up with the basic IAS plan legally as a way to > deal with all the above.
> In short, it would result in the bulk of the monies being able to be > outside of the USA, it could potentially build millions of non > refundable money and, it was hoped by them, it would all be out of the > jurisdiction of the IRS and other federal US governmental agencies > (even safe from damages claimants) so DM and his folks could pretty > much do whatever they wanted with it.
> The trick now was how to sell it to scientologists using PR and lies. > Public scientologists were already paying fortunes for auditing and > training. How could organized scientology get them to ALSO pay to the > IAS (memberships and straightforward donations)?
> Missions were sent to research membership organizations and other such > things. Also missions were sent to pull off one of the greatest scams > on public scientologists in the history or organized scientology. It > was made to look like somehow all these concerned scientologists from > around the world somehow joined together for freedom or whatever, > wrote the founding document for the IAS and somehow voted it into > existence.
> Organized scientology actually pulled it off to make it look like this > was somehow like the signing of the declaration of independence in the > USA, some great, spontaneous, altruistic and brave deed towards > freedom
> The truth was very different. Missions actually vetted what public > scientologists would go to the key events to pull this all off, the > founding document was drafted by attorneys and PR people not "the > public" and in short it was a well timed operation pulled off by DM > and his folks to trick the public into thinking they were behind all > this and somehow the IAS was put into existence for altruistic > purposes.
> Just like was done in so many other areas of the "corporate evolution" > of organized scientology, the public was fooled with the set-up of the > IAS.
> There are three people who can give evidence to prove all aspects of > this and more are willing to speak out as well.
> (Wait until the truth is published about such things as WISE, for > example, where you will see the Hubbard telexes and the like to show > it was initially a covert way to fund the GO criminal defenses (for > MarySue, Jane Kember, etc.) and then evolved to be a way to control > all public scientologists in business and get more money from them. > The GO was getting funded by missions back then but it was not enough > to also cover the criminal defenses).
> I can tell you with zero doubt that there were tremendous lies behind > the formation of organized scientology's corporate structure and that > it was built around total central control reflecting both Hubbard's > and DM's paranoia.. It was to hide assets from others and to "protect" > and hide those that covertly ran organized scientology.
Out_Of_The_Dark wrote: > Scientology was between 1952 and 1966 administered by an apparently > secular organization, originally called the Hubbard Association of > Scientologists (HAS). This was established in Arizona on 10 September > 1952 with an authorized capital stock of $200,000. On 1 September > 1954, the HAS became the HASI (HAS International) "to establish a > religious fellowship and association for research into the spirit and > the human soul and the use and dissemination [of Scientology > materials]. " The first Church of Scientology was founded in December > 1953 in Camden, New Jersey, along with the Church of American Science > and the Church of Spiritual Engineering. All three were rapidly > abandoned, with the first incorporated Church of Scientology being > founded in California on 18 February 1954.
Since Chris wrote that, there's been more digging going on. The New Jersey Church was incorporated (first!) as well, and the Church of American Science wasn't *rapidly* abandoned--it was the first "mother church" corporation, and survived some time.
"That the specific and primary purposes for which this corporation is formed are: (a) To accept and adopt the aims purposes, principals and creed of The Mother Church, "THE CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE," of Camden, New Jersey with the power objectives and duties as herein defined and enumerated. (b) To train and indoctrinate ministers and brothers and sisters in the principals and teachings of the Church of American Science."
Shortly afterwards, the Church of Scientology (Arizona) was organized the same way, and perhaps some other states. At some point the Church of American Science was folded and the mothership-ness was transfered to Church of Scientology of California, but I don't know if an exact year has been found yet. (I'd guess 1956 as part of a name change and reorganization.)
> It changed its name to "The > Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever > since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was > run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A > bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and > abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: for > instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard Communications > Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] apparently in the > vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax authorities. {..]
> Out_Of_The_Dark wrote: > > Scientology was between 1952 and 1966 administered by an apparently > > secular organization, originally called the Hubbard Association of > > Scientologists (HAS). This was established in Arizona on 10 September > > 1952 with an authorized capital stock of $200,000. On 1 September > > 1954, the HAS became the HASI (HAS International) "to establish a > > religious fellowship and association for research into the spirit and > > the human soul and the use and dissemination [of Scientology > > materials]. " The first Church of Scientology was founded in December > > 1953 in Camden, New Jersey, along with the Church of American Science > > and the Church of Spiritual Engineering. All three were rapidly > > abandoned, with the first incorporated Church of Scientology being > > founded in California on 18 February 1954.
> Since Chris wrote that, there's been more digging going on. The New Jersey > Church was incorporated (first!) as well, and the Church of American Science > wasn't *rapidly* abandoned--it was the first "mother church" corporation, > and survived some time.
> "That the specific and primary purposes for which this corporation is formed > are: > (a) To accept and adopt the aims purposes, principals and creed of The > Mother Church, "THE CHURCH OF AMERICAN SCIENCE," of Camden, New Jersey with > the power objectives and duties as herein defined and enumerated. > (b) To train and indoctrinate ministers and brothers and sisters in the > principals and teachings of the Church of American Science."
> Shortly afterwards, the Church of Scientology (Arizona) was organized the > same way, and perhaps some other states. At some point the Church of > American Science was folded and the mothership-ness was transfered to Church > of Scientology of California, but I don't know if an exact year has been > found yet. (I'd guess 1956 as part of a name change and reorganization.)
> > It changed its name to "The > > Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever > > since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was > > run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A > > bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and > > abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: for > > instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard Communications > > Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] apparently in the > > vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax authorities. {..]
> > > It changed its name to "The > > > Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever > > > since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was > > > run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A > > > bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and > > > abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: for > > > instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard Communications > > > Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] apparently in the > > > vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax authorities. {..]
> Thanks you! Once again you are a wealth of information. :)
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It's good that things like the above are pointed out. It really helps.
However, the bottom line is that no one will ever figure out the historical controls in organized scientology by following the maze of confusing and some times conflicting "corporate structures" and the various ways it all "evolved" over the years.
The legal structures of organized scientology have constantly over the years been designed to mask the real controls. Some times Hubbard dreamed up some legal solution or the GO dreamed one up but they never seemed to be quite right as they were always to one degree or another masking the real truth.
The following post goes into this subject in detail:
For example, in the late summer/fall of 1981, just before going on the "corporate sortout" missions, I and another did an "evaluation" covering this area that went up to Hubbard for approval. It showed the insanity of the various "corporate evolutions" and how even at that time in 1981 there were actually two "mother churches" used legally. One being the c of s California to justify monies sent there and the other being abroad to justify monies sent abroad from sources outside of the USA.
It was always crazy as it never really reflected the truth.
This all led to a far more sophisticated setup with one "mother church", CofS International and the whole RTC/CST "evolution" that followed. However, as usual, even that setup was nothing more than a "clever" way to hide assets and the truth behind the real controls of organized scientology.
Moral of the story - by all means research the ever evolving and interesting history of the main legal fictions of organized scientology. Just don't expect to find truths there of how it was really run and controlled.
SME wrote: >>>> It changed its name to "The >>>> Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever >>>> since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was >>>> run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A >>>> bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and >>>> abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: >>>> for instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard >>>> Communications Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] >>>> apparently in the vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax >>>> authorities. {..]
>> Thanks you! Once again you are a wealth of information. :)
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> It's good that things like the above are pointed out. It really helps.
> However, the bottom line is that no one will ever figure out the > historical controls in organized scientology by following the maze of > confusing and some times conflicting "corporate structures" and the > various ways it all "evolved" over the years.
> The legal structures of organized scientology have constantly over the > years been designed to mask the real controls. Some times Hubbard > dreamed up some legal solution or the GO dreamed one up but they never > seemed to be quite right as they were always to one degree or another > masking the real truth.
> The following post goes into this subject in detail:
> For example, in the late summer/fall of 1981, just before going on the > "corporate sortout" missions, I and another did an "evaluation" > covering this area that went up to Hubbard for approval. It showed the > insanity of the various "corporate evolutions" and how even at that > time in 1981 there were actually two "mother churches" used legally. > One being the c of s California to justify monies sent there and the > other being abroad to justify monies sent abroad from sources outside > of the USA.
> It was always crazy as it never really reflected the truth.
> This all led to a far more sophisticated setup with one "mother > church", CofS International and the whole RTC/CST "evolution" that > followed. However, as usual, even that setup was nothing more than a > "clever" way to hide assets and the truth behind the real controls of > organized scientology.
> Moral of the story - by all means research the ever evolving and > interesting history of the main legal fictions of organized > scientology. Just don't expect to find truths there of how it was > really run and controlled.
Oh sure, all those corporations and names are just to keep outside world (and a lot of the insiders) guessing, to hide the control and profit, and in the early days, to hide the debt (after a string of Hubbard Dianetics Foundations went down like dominos with Hubbard usually just a step ahead of creditors). Davie ran everything from Author Services Inc until he moved his throne to RTC, which makes no sense on paper. (And not even by Sea Org ranking, heh. A kleptocracy.)
The only reason that I keep track of the founding corporations is to slap in the face of Scientology's continuing shore story that the first church was incorporated in California in 1954 by people other than Hubbard. Er, no.
Spending time worrying about the _paper_ control structure is like debating if Fair Game was cancelled: *Obviously* they still do it, so it wasn't, and spending too much time on HCOBs and wording is a trap. It's like Hubbard's little weasel phrases on the GO orders like "use only legal means" which were only there for CYA decoration. (CHA or Cover Hubbard's Ass, I guess.)
> SME wrote: > >>>> It changed its name to "The > >>>> Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever > >>>> since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was > >>>> run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A > >>>> bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and > >>>> abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: > >>>> for instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard > >>>> Communications Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] > >>>> apparently in the vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax > >>>> authorities. {..]
> >> Thanks you! Once again you are a wealth of information. :)
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> > It's good that things like the above are pointed out. It really helps.
> > However, the bottom line is that no one will ever figure out the > > historical controls in organized scientology by following the maze of > > confusing and some times conflicting "corporate structures" and the > > various ways it all "evolved" over the years.
> > The legal structures of organized scientology have constantly over the > > years been designed to mask the real controls. Some times Hubbard > > dreamed up some legal solution or the GO dreamed one up but they never > > seemed to be quite right as they were always to one degree or another > > masking the real truth.
> > The following post goes into this subject in detail:
> > For example, in the late summer/fall of 1981, just before going on the > > "corporate sortout" missions, I and another did an "evaluation" > > covering this area that went up to Hubbard for approval. It showed the > > insanity of the various "corporate evolutions" and how even at that > > time in 1981 there were actually two "mother churches" used legally. > > One being the c of s California to justify monies sent there and the > > other being abroad to justify monies sent abroad from sources outside > > of the USA.
> > It was always crazy as it never really reflected the truth.
> > This all led to a far more sophisticated setup with one "mother > > church", CofS International and the whole RTC/CST "evolution" that > > followed. However, as usual, even that setup was nothing more than a > > "clever" way to hide assets and the truth behind the real controls of > > organized scientology.
> > Moral of the story - by all means research the ever evolving and > > interesting history of the main legal fictions of organized > > scientology. Just don't expect to find truths there of how it was > > really run and controlled.
> Oh sure, all those corporations and names are just to keep outside world > (and a lot of the insiders) guessing, to hide the control and profit, and in > the early days, to hide the debt (after a string of Hubbard Dianetics > Foundations went down like dominos with Hubbard usually just a step ahead of > creditors). Davie ran everything from Author Services Inc until he moved > his throne to RTC, which makes no sense on paper. (And not even by Sea Org > ranking, heh. A kleptocracy.)
> The only reason that I keep track of the founding corporations is to slap in > the face of Scientology's continuing shore story that the first church was > incorporated in California in 1954 by people other than Hubbard. Er, no.
> Spending time worrying about the _paper_ control structure is like debating > if Fair Game was cancelled: *Obviously* they still do it, so it wasn't, and > spending too much time on HCOBs and wording is a trap. It's like Hubbard's > little weasel phrases on the GO orders like "use only legal means" which > were only there for CYA decoration. (CHA or Cover Hubbard's Ass, I guess.)
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Larry is correct but It's important to document these corporate things as you are doing, Ron, because it serves as evidence that can be compared with previous information to help give facts against intentionally confusing disinformation. This info may well be needed in the future when the CoS House of Cards start to fold and the subpoenas start flying. We are all diverse in our history and locations within the church. I know how helpful it was to me to put some facts against names of entities I'd read or heard of while in.
> On Apr 6, 3:02 pm, "Android Cat" <androidca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > SME wrote: > > >>>> It changed its name to "The > > >>>> Church of Scientology of California" - a name it has retained ever > > >>>> since - on 19th June 1956. However, the organization as a whole was > > >>>> run by the HASI, "a religious fellowship" rather than a church. A > > >>>> bewildering variety of other bodies has existed, both in the US and > > >>>> abroad, making the job of tax investigators extremely difficult: > > >>>> for instance, one of Scientology's UK entities, Hubbard > > >>>> Communications Office Limited, traded as "Hickstead Garage" [sic] > > >>>> apparently in the vain hope of it being overlooked by the tax > > >>>> authorities. {..]
> > >> Thanks you! Once again you are a wealth of information. :)
> > >> Mary- Hide quoted text -
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> > > It's good that things like the above are pointed out. It really helps.
> > > However, the bottom line is that no one will ever figure out the > > > historical controls in organized scientology by following the maze of > > > confusing and some times conflicting "corporate structures" and the > > > various ways it all "evolved" over the years.
> > > The legal structures of organized scientology have constantly over the > > > years been designed to mask the real controls. Some times Hubbard > > > dreamed up some legal solution or the GO dreamed one up but they never > > > seemed to be quite right as they were always to one degree or another > > > masking the real truth.
> > > The following post goes into this subject in detail:
> > > For example, in the late summer/fall of 1981, just before going on the > > > "corporate sortout" missions, I and another did an "evaluation" > > > covering this area that went up to Hubbard for approval. It showed the > > > insanity of the various "corporate evolutions" and how even at that > > > time in 1981 there were actually two "mother churches" used legally. > > > One being the c of s California to justify monies sent there and the > > > other being abroad to justify monies sent abroad from sources outside > > > of the USA.
> > > It was always crazy as it never really reflected the truth.
> > > This all led to a far more sophisticated setup with one "mother > > > church", CofS International and the whole RTC/CST "evolution" that > > > followed. However, as usual, even that setup was nothing more than a > > > "clever" way to hide assets and the truth behind the real controls of > > > organized scientology.
> > > Moral of the story - by all means research the ever evolving and > > > interesting history of the main legal fictions of organized > > > scientology. Just don't expect to find truths there of how it was > > > really run and controlled.
> > Oh sure, all those corporations and names are just to keep outside world > > (and a lot of the insiders) guessing, to hide the control and profit, and in > > the early days, to hide the debt (after a string of Hubbard Dianetics > > Foundations went down like dominos with Hubbard usually just a step ahead of > > creditors). Davie ran everything from Author Services Inc until he moved > > his throne to RTC, which makes no sense on paper. (And not even by Sea Org > > ranking, heh. A kleptocracy.)
> > The only reason that I keep track of the founding corporations is to slap in > > the face of Scientology's continuing shore story that the first church was > > incorporated in California in 1954 by people other than Hubbard. Er, no.
> > Spending time worrying about the _paper_ control structure is like debating > > if Fair Game was cancelled: *Obviously* they still do it, so it wasn't, and > > spending too much time on HCOBs and wording is a trap. It's like Hubbard's > > little weasel phrases on the GO orders like "use only legal means" which > > were only there for CYA decoration. (CHA or Cover Hubbard's Ass, I guess.)
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> Larry is correct but It's important to document these corporate things > as you are doing, Ron, because it serves as evidence that can be > compared with previous information to help give facts against > intentionally confusing disinformation. This info may well be needed > in the future when the CoS House of Cards start to fold and the > subpoenas start flying. We are all diverse in our history and > locations within the church. I know how helpful it was to me to put > some facts against names of entities I'd read or heard of while in.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Agreed Ron and Mary.
I'm really very glad you are doing what you are doing!
SME wrote: > This posting touches on three subjects that in my opinion are > interrelated:
> 1) facts behind the IAS which too few know; > 2) some things about "Ideal Org" buildings that have similarities to > what has been done with the IAS; and > 3) why scientologists are kept in the dark about all this.
[.....]
> But look at something here. It is well documented that orgs getting > these new buildings are actually contracting and not expanding. Their > PR that they are expanding and thus need new buildings is total bull. > Once again organized scientology lives off lies and false perceptions.
> And once again as it did with some of the IAS funds, organized > scientology is deceiving its own public to give it non refundable > funds that it can control from a central source and hopefully (in its > view) keep away from government bodies and/or damages claimants.
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So, does anyone have - and are willing to share - hard information about the new "ideal orgs" buildings? Like, to which shell companies do they belong? are the bOrgs renting them? In other words, is there at least something which can be used to demonstrate the complete lack of transparency which chracterises the dealings of the criminal organisation known as the "church" <spit> of $cientology? Also, does the Co$ (say, in inernal publications) state that all auditing rooms are wired for video and the video being piped directy to Florida?
Since the new ideal org buildings are such a striking piece of nonsense I would like to be able to do more than speculate, personally :-)
> Much more to come.
Is the book done yet?!!??
;-) ;-) ;-)
Best Regards
Jens
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