open letter to Narconon, by Greg Beha
Behaser
Hawk, and Kate Wickstrom
Back in July I trusted you with my step-son's livelihood. I sent him
to Narconon Stone Hawk with high hopes that you (your program) would
clean him up of the drugs and give him hope and another outlook on
life. My step-son also has a son (15months old), my grandson (I'm
proud of!!) that deserves a dad which I hoped you would provide. My
grandson needs a dad that will play ball with him, go fishing, hunting
and be able to spend quality time with him.
I had hopes that Narconon was the first step to a long recovery. I
took my step-son out of state and entered him into Narconon Stone Hawk,
which I was told by your people that it was a 3 to 6 month program at a
cost of $23,500 that had to be paid up-front upon entering "The
Narconon Program".
For me $23,500 was hard to come up with, but if it was going to help
my step-son clean-up his drug problems and give him a new outlook on
life I was willing to go the distance.
In the first week my step-son was at Narconon you let him become
dehydrated and was taken to the hospital. I didn't like what was
happening but I was looking toward that light at the end of the tunnel.
When my step-son called and told me that he wanted out and that
Narconon had Scientology beliefs, I thought that he was just a drug
addict wanting out. I told him that I didn't care what they were
teaching him, and what beliefs they inflicted on him just as long as he
comes home without an addiction after 3 to 6 months. After 18 days you
dropped my step-son off at a motel with $10.00 and "washed your hands
of him".
I called you, talked to you in person and you think that you owe me
nothing! You think you can walk into my life, take $23,500 and just
walk away. I sent you an offer $16,400 that I could live with and you
refused.
Is it your ambition in life to fix the easy drug addicts and the ones
that do not conform to your lifestyle you just pass them to society,
take their money and go on with your life?
You didn't want anything to do with me for 4 months. The answer was
always the same, NO REFUND, I heard that so many times, it's
beginning to sound silly. Now in November you want to offer me $7,500
so you can make a $16,000 dollar profit in as little as 18 days. I
refused your offer and sent you a counter offer of $16,400, something I
thought I could live with. You continued to think I'm a pushover and
offered me $10,500, $13,000, $14,000, $15,000 and now we are at
$16,000. My offer stands at $23,500.
Out here in the real world when a customer or consumer purchases a
product or service and the consumer is unhappy with the product or
service the consumer usually gets a full refund. It's not let's
see how little we can give him to make the consumer go away.
When I first found Narconon I thought I found a Drug Rehab Center
that was Sincere, Honest, Caring and an organization that was willing
to help my step-son improve his outlook on life and leave the Drug
World behind.
I was willing to give up $23,500 when I dropped my step-son off at
your Center. Here it is 6 months later, my step-son would be getting
out of your program, "drug-free" and ready to face the real world.
I can see my step-son and his son (my grandson) running through the
field playing ball, or down by the lake helping my grandson catch his
first bluegill, in the woods watching the squirrels and seeing that big
buck run through the woods.
Do you want to know what really is going on with my step-son and my
grandson?
Never mind, I forgot, it's all about the MONEY, isn't it.
Human lives mean nothing!
Greg Beha
19431 Taylor Ridge Road
Glouster, Ohio 45732
Eldon
Zero dollars, then...
$7,500 (a $7,500 increase to less than 1/3 of the original amount)
$10,500 (a $3,000 increase)
$13,000 (a $2,500 increase)
$14,000
$15,000...
$16,000 (three increments of $1,000)
I wonder how much this nickel-and-diming activity has cost them in
legal fees so far, not counting lost business. Idiots.
mad_kow
Eldon wrote:
> Hmmm....
>
> Zero dollars, then...
> $7,500 (a $7,500 increase to less than 1/3 of the original amount)
> $10,500 (a $3,000 increase)
> $13,000 (a $2,500 increase)
> $14,000
> $15,000...
> $16,000 (three increments of $1,000)
>
> I wonder how much this nickel-and-diming activity has cost them in
> legal fees so far, not counting lost business. Idiots.
>
No, let's DO include lost business. Let's include all of it.
+ 23,500
- legal costs trying to bribe Greg into a gag order
- bad press and lost business
- the stigma of being associated with scientology proper (NOW everyone
knows about that)
= a really big negative number
And the sad part is, scn could have avoided all this at the beginning
by refunding the entire amount UP FRONT and apoligizing.
But they can't because that would be admitting that scientology doesn't
work, and that is out ethics.
scientology's main premise (it works) is going to be its downfall.
Mad Kow (where did you get my email?)
Eldon
> Eldon wrote:
> > Hmmm....
> >
> > Zero dollars, then...
> > $7,500 (a $7,500 increase to less than 1/3 of the original amount)
> > $10,500 (a $3,000 increase)
> > $13,000 (a $2,500 increase)
> > $14,000
> > $15,000...
> > $16,000 (three increments of $1,000)
> >
> > I wonder how much this nickel-and-diming activity has cost them in
> > legal fees so far, not counting lost business. Idiots.
> >
>
> No, let's DO include lost business. Let's include all of it.
>
> + 23,500
> - legal costs trying to bribe Greg into a gag order
> - bad press and lost business
> - the stigma of being associated with scientology proper (NOW everyone
> knows about that)
> = a really big negative number
>
> And the sad part is, scn could have avoided all this at the beginning
> by refunding the entire amount UP FRONT and apoligizing.
Yes, I know, but math is not my forte. I just sort of approximate it on
my little desktop calculator. I hate spreadsheets and all that
statistical stuff because I'm not very good at it.
So beat me up about my failings. Or maybe you would like to do some
financial scenarios in Excel and post them? Just hypothetically for the
various US Narconons and worldwide geographical areas? With charts and
graphs?
Have at it! ;-)
LagsAlot
"mad_kow" <mad...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1169476540....@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Eldon wrote:
> > Hmmm....
> >
> > Zero dollars, then...
> > $7,500 (a $7,500 increase to less than 1/3 of the original amount)
> > $10,500 (a $3,000 increase)
> > $13,000 (a $2,500 increase)
> > $14,000
> > $15,000...
> > $16,000 (three increments of $1,000)
> >
> > I wonder how much this nickel-and-diming activity has cost them in
> > legal fees so far, not counting lost business. Idiots.
> >
>
> No, let's DO include lost business. Let's include all of it.
>
> + 23,500
> - legal costs trying to bribe Greg into a gag order
> - bad press and lost business
> - the stigma of being associated with scientology proper (NOW everyone
> knows about that)
> = a really big negative number
>
> And the sad part is, scn could have avoided all this at the beginning
> by refunding the entire amount UP FRONT and apoligizing.
>
considers refund requests to be "attacks" on scientology..
So..(by scientology standards)...anyone who asks for a refund is an enemy of
scientology...and hubbard said never negotiate with the enemy
In each of the offers that stonehawk has made include a gag order and
require Greg to allow PR in his name glorifying narCONon....
Greg,
if you havent yet filed a criminal complaint against stonehawk/narconon, I
suggest that you do so...in all likelyhood it is the only action that will
elicit the response you seek, and as I understand it, your dealings with
stonehawk crossed state lines and would bring it into the realm of a federal
investigation.
Narconon is one branch of a fastly expanding "organised" criminal enterprise
(Scientology).
And they seem content on giving you the run-a-round treatment.
Talk to the States Attorneys offices in the state where you reside and the
location of the stonehawk treatment facility, they may be able to arbitrate
an agreement, and if nothing else will bring this scam to the justice
systems attention.
Narconon makes many claims that are blatently false, and they advertise
these claims nationally.
I am not an attorney, but I did stay at a holiday inn last night...
I wish you luck
barbz
Have a look, Greg. I hope it's useful.
--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Eldon
Yes, and most states have a Department of Consumer Affairs in addition
to the Attorney General's office. I would say just go for broke at
Kinkos or wherever and send them duplicate copies (noting that they
both got it as cc; indications).
Mail them a whole bunch of paper and let them read it page by page. Big
stacks of paper! It's a good use of bureaucratic time overall.
Photocopies are cheap. You have plenty of pages at this point.
Screw Scientology's shysters -- specially that asshole creep who has
been sending you the offers. It's ridiculous. There was a time, and
there are still a few places, where Law was considered a noble
profession. But in the US now, forget it. Most are mafia whores. Only a
few retain any idea why they went to law school in the first place.
Quaoar
Greg,
It will be extremely useful to you if you make contact yourself with
www.consumerist.com, supplying them with the history of your, and your
step-son's - dealings with NarCONon.
Your posting here has its merits, but the ARS readership is limited
while Consumerist's readership is far larger. If you want to put
pressure on NarCONon that they absolutely cannot ignore, go for the
broad venue that Consumerist offers.
Q
Eldon
How polite of you to ask, but I doubt that you had to. He posted it on
a public newsgroup. And of course you know this post will help the
thread rise above the Scieno spam again.
Funny girl. Do you sing in the shower too? ;-)
barbz
Frequently...loud, and in key!
Eldon
Sounds good, but would that usage be "in key" or "on key"? Perhaps
Moontaco, our resident proofreader, will venture an opinion. Or maybe
not; I rilly dunno.
Eldon
> wink)
>
> On this singing stuff... may I just say that having volume control can
> be a very good thing!
>
Do you think the volume of spam is proportionate to the frequency of
posts about Narconon? They mostly tend to have a CCHR anti-psych slant
to them, which is certainly related.
> Becky
> If you ate both pasta and antipasto, would you still be hungry?
Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.