I listened to Aaron Saxton for 10 minutes - what he describes are his personal problems but it is not Scientology
Barbara loves Marty
by L. Ron Hubbard.
This is what he said about a person high on the tonescale and sex:
4.0: Enthusiasm — Sexual interest high but often sublimated to
creative thought.
It means the sex by an uptone person is not primitive. It's not
grunting pigs whipping each other with whips and chaining each other
with handcuffs and things like that.
Find a good partner, marry, be loyal and true and have fun. What's
wrong with that?
And Aaron, stop smoking. Disgusting habit.
Barbara Schwarz
husk
Aaron did talk a lot about sexual repression, but I think his point
was that sexual repression in males causes aggressive behaviour. This
actually wasn't news, but he was using it in context of how it
affected his personal behaviour. What caught my attention was the
recruiting of 12 and 13 year olds for the SeaOrg, the training that
taught them that happiness is achieved through control of others and
that if you were once bullied, there is nothing better than to bully
others. It was also revealing that he was offering a defense for
David Miscavage. He stated that David Miscavage is not the problem in
Scientology, but that David Miscavage is the product of the
Scientology SeaOrg and that Aaron basically admitted that those in the
upper echelons of management, including himself, were or still, are
all monsters. (Depending whether they are in or out and how much they
have atoned for their behaviour) The blame can not be set at DM
alone as it is the training of the SeaOrg that made him this way.
How else can you explain management putting up with people beating
each other up? It is conditioned by the SeaOrg training. It is what
they expect. You mention the Scientology tonescale handbook. What
Aaron explained was there was a whole other set of rules for SeaOrg
members set out in policy letters, not seen by public or even higher
ranking Scientologists who have no day to day dealings with the
SeaOrganization.
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!
Repressing sex amongst those with the highest natural levels of
testosterone.. helps to create monsters.
This was part of the real "Tech" used to build scientology...
"Curtailing sexual behavior has been held accountable not just for the
behavior of some individuals who are excessively violent but for high
levels of aggressiveness in entire cultures"
http://books.google.com/books?id=BurFxGKDgCwC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=agg...
Remember - The best place to hide something is right in front of you
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for over 11 years!
Barbara loves Marty
> On Nov 21, 9:55 pm, Barbara loves Marty
>
>
>
> <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Scientology Handbook is around for many decades with the Tonescale
> > by L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> > This is what he said about a person high on the tonescale and sex:
> > 4.0: Enthusiasm — Sexual interest high but often sublimated to
> > creative thought.
>
> > It means the sex by an uptone person is not primitive. It's not
> > grunting pigs whipping each other with whips and chaining each other
> > with handcuffs and things like that.
>
> > Find a good partner, marry, be loyal and true and have fun. What's
> > wrong with that?
>
> > And Aaron, stop smoking. Disgusting habit.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Aaron did talk a lot about sexual repression, but I think his point
> was that sexual repression in males causes aggressive behaviour.
Who says that there has to be sexual repression? Find a good partner
and get married for heaven sakes!
> This
> actually wasn't news, but he was using it in context of how it
> affected his personal behaviour.
His out-ethics. It is HIS problem but not the problem of other
Scientologists.
> What caught my attention was the
> recruiting of 12 and 13 year olds for the SeaOrg, the training that
> taught them that happiness is achieved through control of others and
> that if you were once bullied, there is nothing better than to bully
> others.
I don't trust his reports at all.
> It was also revealing that he was offering a defense for
> David Miscavage. He stated that David Miscavage is not the problem in
> Scientology, but that David Miscavage is the product of the
> Scientology SeaOrg and that Aaron basically admitted that those in the
> upper echelons of management, including himself, were or still, are
> all monsters.
This is just "grand". DM made himself in charge and sets the tone in
the Sea org but it not responsible for his actions?
Saxton crap. DM is responsible about anything he ordered or allowed. I
am a Sea Org member too. I studied nothing else but
being your own responsible person and to be ethical and uptone.
> (Depending whether they are in or out and how much they
> have atoned for their behaviour) The blame can not be set at DM
> alone as it is the training of the SeaOrg that made him this way.
His opinions are nicotine-filled garbage. Saxton tries to blame L. Ron
Hubbard despite the SO was good when he was around.
I doubt that DM was ever a Scientologist. Growing up in an alleged
Scientology family does not result automatically in a Scientologist.
Look at Saxton and others.
And look at the DM family. How many people in this family did already
admit not being Scientologists?
If for example an infiltrator creates a family while infiltrating,
those infiltrator parents will teach their kids scientological good
behavior.
DM is fully responsible for his own actions, he is an adult and
Scientologists have to think for themselves and uphold the laws, this
is Scientology.
> How else can you explain management putting up with people beating
> each other up?
He is not a Scientologist and does not apply the tonescale otherwise
he would know who is downtone and will make the troubles down the
road. He would have recruited only uptone people in his management. He
would not have one defector if he would be uptone himself and select
uptone executives.
> It is conditioned by the SeaOrg training.
The SO as set up by L. Ron Hubbard does not condition anybody. The
opposite, original Scientology makes people think.
> It is what
> they expect. You mention the Scientology tonescale handbook. What
> Aaron explained was there was a whole other set of rules for SeaOrg
> members set out in policy letters, not seen by public or even higher
> ranking Scientologists who have no day to day dealings with the
> SeaOrganization.
Misinterpretations or forgeries.
DM runs Scientology for over two decades. Just about the first thing
that a Scientologist learns is to think for himself and being
responsible in anything he does.
There are no excuses. He does not apply Scientology technology and
that is why people in his org are downtone, abusive, above the law and
abort.
L. Ron Hubbard would take a whip like Jesus and kick them out of the
orgs.
Aaron Saxton is another wake up call that non-scientological people
are holding executive posts.
Barbara Schwarz
Astrid
<barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
Aaron was not trying to describe Scientology Barbara, he was only
telling about his experiences in Scientology, as a Sea Org member, led
into it by his Scilon parents when he was only 15 years old!
He was just telling what Scientology did to him, including yes,
creating some personal problems because it interfered with what he
considers normal sexual curiosity and sexual development. The
remaining six parts just keep getting better and better. I am an
adult, and can relate to and understand the complexity of issues to do
with sexual development.
Aren't you taught that Scientology is, what is "true for you?" That
is, its meaning will vary according to a person's individuality. Well,
that is what was true for Aaron. Why deny the truth of his experience?
Die meisten Kinder glauben an den Weihnachtsmann, richtig?
And then as you get a little older, you realize, there is no Santa
Claus, and around that time, your parents, or an adult in the
underwater village, usually explains that Santa Claus is just a myth,
for children too young to grasp the meaning of the Savior's birthday,
and for businesses to do bang-up business for Christmas.
I don't know about others, but it was in my experience to feel
conflicted about these two different messages, one seemly fanciful,
fun, and about getting material things, and the other about eternal
salvation, one of the most important events in Earth's history, like
1950 when Hubbard wrote Dianetics.
For LRH so loved the world, that he wanted everyone to go insane and
broke, trying to remove sticky Body Thetan clusters from our beings,
so we could find the way to happiness, and recover our true Thetan
selves.
I understand Aaron. I don't understand you Barbara, nor do I
understand what part Scientology has made in making you the way you
are. I only understand that you have some serious mental issues which
make you very different from other people. I sincerely hope that
Hubbard's cockamamie has helped you, instead of making you more
unhappy or delusional, but I for one, don't believe it works that way
for most people, unfortunately.
I think very fragile people, are often driven over the edge, by things
like the OTIII materials.
That is why I protest this fake "science," "religion" or
Apfelstrudel.
Wenn Sie glauben, dass unsere Prison Planet ist ein riesiger Knödel,
sind Sie frei zu denken, wie Sie es wünschen.
Much Love,
"Astrid"
xenufrance
"husk" <hu...@mailinator.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
3402a247-d456-484d...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
<<I agree that scientology, even outside the sea org and outside the staff,
is creating monsters. Just take a look at the most important people in that
cult: many are polyschizophrenic, inhabited by demons and always wantng more
money and more power (an evil purp in itself, but that was the main evil
purp of their founder).
<<Obviously, not all scientologists are monsters or become somewhat
monsterous.
r
husk
There is a lot of what is true for you. What was true for you is
obviously not what was true for Aaron. I can not explain that. It is
possible that your circumstances were different than Aaron's. What
is true for me is to look at a man admitting to his own crimes,
describing the mind control he was subjected to and turning around an
subjecting others to it. I see no motive for him to admit to crimes
he hasn't committed. His speech is fluid and unrehearsed and
believable.
Barbara loves Marty
Too bad that infiltrators removed the ear implant checks that L. Ron
Hubbard had implemented because an illegal PC wasn't originally a
person who had an encounter with a psych. It was a person who answered
the question of an auditor by listening to his non-Scientologist case
officer radioing through his ear implants and providing the answer
that his non-Scientologist case officer radioed him.
I would like to do those ear implant sec check on a number of people,
including Saxton and DM.
Scientologists do recognize other Scientologists, Husk, and I am
telling you Saxton was never a Scientologist. He is a person low on
the tonescale who dramatizes his sexual problems and understood
nothing of Scientology. He tries to deliberately misinterpret
Scientology.
He should have never recruited to be on staff. It is a shame for the
orgs that they do not recognize non-Scientologists anymore.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
Can't you find a better German machine translator?
Saxton is twisted guy. Instead of blaming L. Ron Hubbard, he should
blame his parents if they forced him as that means they did not apply
Scientology. Most Scientologists' families are quite functional.
Saxton could have left Scientology on his 18th birthday.
And you are too biased to understand the truth.
Barbara Schwarz
Richard Ford
>
> - Show quoted text -
Barbara
You disprove your own argument. You say he could have left any yet you
have been unable (mentally) to leave despite being kicked out, locked
up, sectioned, insulted and being seperated from your imaginary
husband.
Yet you expect him to do what you cannot....
Gregory Hall
news:9d918e76-ea95-46a9...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Who says that there has to be sexual repression? Find a good partner
> and get married for heaven sakes!
Getting married furthers sexual repression, Barbara. For a man to be stuck
his whole life with one partner who gets boring after a year or two is the
very definition of repression. Here, for your edification, is Webster's
definition of the word repress. . .
Main Entry: re�press
Pronunciation: \ri-'pres\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French represser, from Latin
repressus, past participle of reprimere to check, from re- + premere to
press � more at press
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 a : to check by or as if by pressure : curb <injustice was repressed> b
: to put down by force : subdue <repress a disturbance>
2 a : to hold in by self-control <repressed a laugh> b : to prevent the
natural or normal expression, activity, or development of <repressed her
anger>
3 : to exclude from consciousness <repressed the memory of abuse>
4 : to inactivate (a gene or formation of a gene product) by allosteric
combination at a DNA binding site
intransitive verb
According to the number 1 definition, a man checks his normal, biological
desire for a number of different sex partners when he gets married. His
normal desires for mating with a variety of women are put down by the force
of a marriage contract. A man's reproductive urges are subdued because he's
in for all sorts of retribution if he "cheats" on the unnatural contract
which is state-sanctioned marriage. The only true marriage is a voluntary
one between a man a woman and God Almighty. State contracts are simply a way
to enslave men by making the woman the master.
According to number 2 definition, a married man has to hold in by
self-control his natural urges to have multiple sex partners. He is
prevented from expressing his normal and natural sexual inclinations.
According to number 3 definition, a forced-by-contract, monogamous man has
to exclude from his consiousness the natural desire to copulate with a
number of different women.
According to number 4 definition, a forced-by-contract monogamous man must
inactivate his natural reproductive pattern and desires. As a woman you
might understand it this way. What if you were forced by contract to only be
allowed to eat some run-of-the-mill meal such as oatmeal and milk for the
rest of your life? That would be cruel and unusual punishment - just like
what a marriage contract forces a man to do and be.
In conclusion it is plain to see that a forced-by-contract, monogamous
marriage is repressive. Totally repressive, unnatural and it confers upon
the woman certain rights God never intended her to have.
--
Gregory Hall
<snipped remainder>
Barbara loves Marty
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:9d918e76-ea95-46a9...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Leave me alone!
Barbara Schwarz
Neal Warren's religion:
The Dark Bible Women's Inferior Status
Burn the daughter!
Cut off her hand!
Expose her breasts!
Female births get penalty
Female inferiority
God's OK on abortion
Jesus will kill children
Kill the witches!
Moses' mass murder
Rape my daughter
Raping and killing
Silence the woman!
Stone the woman
"Virgin" mistranslation
Virgin's worth
Wives, submit yourselves!
Women shall not speak
Women's sorrow
Rip up pregnant women
The wicked woman
And here the bible paragraphs, where you can find that disgusting
stuff.
http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your arguments are a load of horse manure because Scientology under L.
Ron Hubbard was not abusive. Without the infiltrators sent in by the
German secret service and their lunatic psychs, Scientology orgs would
be the best place on earth.
Saxton is a phoney. Period. There is no justification for anything he
did or said because L. Ron Hubbard's policy and technology clearly
make people self-determined and not like Saxton or other non-
Scientologists.
Barbara Schwarz
Peter Schilte
And what proof do we have you were not one of those "German Secret
Service" infiltrators?
What proof do we have that you are not one of those that implanted
silicone devices in people's ears?
You should start a religion that claims to get rid of those imaginary
ear implants, like Hubbard started his religion to get rid of
imaginary alien souls.
Peter
"You mocked up your own reactive mind, you mocked up your BTs and you
mocked up your past lives.
Those ARE the EPs (End Phenomenons) of scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard told you so. This is what you are paying for, in no
uncertain terms. Hubbard makes it very clear all the way "UP" the
bridge.
He even told you he was selling you a bridge."
- Ladybird
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Bobb999
On Nov 23, 9:36 am, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23 nov, 17:39, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 12:47 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 22 Nov, 23:06, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 22, 1:51 pm, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 21, 7:55 pm, Barbara loves Marty
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So, Aaron should have dealt with his teen sex urges by "finding a good
partner and getting married"? At age 15??! It doesn't sound like a
very wise or practical solution to issues of puberty!
Isn't LRon is on record dating from the '50s explaining his "no sex
before marriage" policy was instituted specifically for PR reasons so
his church would appear "moral" in the eyes of the public? This
suggests his repressive sex policy was enforced NOT because LRon
personally believed denial-of-ones-nature constituted "morality"!
A sad irony is that what may have appeared "moral" by 1950s societal
standards appears positively IMMORAL by standards of the 1960s through
to 2009! Forcible repression of others' sexuality, and punishing them
for the "sin" of masturbation even, is hardly moral conduct. It is
bullying, intolerant, controlling behaviour, an abuse of human rights
and human nature.
I agree with Barbara that smoking's a "disgusting habit". But who is
it in Scientology who's primarily responsible for creating a
perception of smoking as acceptable, even desirable? You guessed it!
The chain smoker of Kools, LRH, even purveyed the nutty notion smoking
prevents or cures lung cancer! No wonder smoking among Scientologists
became widespread. They were just following advice and practices of
fave role model, beloved "Source" LRH! Aaron no doubt picked up the
habit while in CoS, thanks in part to LRon's tobacco teachings, no
doubt. Is it completely Aaron's own fault if he has since had trouble
kicking an addiction some experts say is as addictive, or more so,
than heroin?
Of the perhaps hundreds or thousands who may have taken up smoking
all, or in part due to LRon's example & wise teachings on tobacco's
health benefits, one wonders how many may have since died from
following LRon's tobacco disinfo, by way of cancer, emphysema, heart
disease, stroke...? Add to CoS related tobacco deaths, the many
suicides provoked by LRon's abusive policies (disconnection, fair
game, SP designations), and deaths due to other forms of CoS medical
malpractice (cajoling people to go off crucial meds, or persuading
them not to see a doctor for medical conditions - 'cause afterall,
auditing can cure all your ills!) -- and one gets the sense LRon left
a long trail of countless human casualties in his wake.
Astrid
> I agree with Barbara that smoking's a "disgusting habit". But who is
> it in Scientology who's primarily responsible for creating a
> perception of smoking as acceptable, even desirable? You guessed it!
> The chain smoker of Kools, LRH, even purveyed the nutty notion smoking
> prevents or cures lung cancer! No wonder smoking among Scientologists
> became widespread. They were just following advice and practices of
> fave role model, beloved "Source" LRH! Aaron no doubt picked up the
> habit while in CoS, thanks in part to LRon's tobacco teachings, no
> doubt. Is it completely Aaron's own fault if he has since had trouble
> kicking an addiction some experts say is as addictive, or more so,
> than heroin?
L. Ron was a 3-4 pack-a-day Thetan.
His theory was that smoking -- it's the nicotinic acid -- rid the body
of radiation and that the only cause of cancer was radiation.
L. Ron's book about Radiation is:
ALL ABOUT RADIATION
L. Ron Hubbard (in the jacket it says he is a medical doctor AND
nuclear physicist).
Geir wanted to argue with me about the scientific validity in the
book.
Aaron mentions that book, as one that Marty/DM set out together to
make sure was revised, taking the crazy out before the reissue.
I raised the same issue you mentioned below on Geir's blog. LRH's
insanity about smoking supposedly got some Scientology kids hooked on
the habit as young as 9 years old. They could be seen puffing away on
the streets of Clearwater, a very odd sight people thought.
Barbara loves Marty
If I would be such an infilrator, I would not post about it but hush
it up as the real infiltrators do to protect their illegal and
criminal system.
> What proof do we have that you are not one of those that implanted
> silicone devices in people's ears?
The reason that I am just about the only person who reveals this
system and how it is abused.
>
> You should start a religion that claims to get rid of those imaginary
> ear implants, like Hubbard started his religion to get rid of
> imaginary alien souls.
What you missed is that before me, L. Ron Hubbard said that people are
run with ear implants and that German secret service p$ychs run it.
The imaginary alien souls stuff is what the
agents of the p$ychs of the German secret service, the infiltrators
planted in Scientology
and removed the truth about ear implants and they other important
technology.
If I would found a "new" religion, the same would happen to me that
happened to
L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. The German secret service would find
and hire an
impostor Barbara Schwarz who babbles lots nonsense while infiltrators
would alter
my writings and exchange it with their version of Scientology.
I have a better idea: you can go all to hell and suffer for all
eternity because
Ron said it all, it was all there and it was pretty much destroyed and
now we have
Scientology who hardly reminds anymore of what it was under Ron.
Wanna bet that L. Ron Hubbard in his new body entered a Scientology
org already but
did not join because too non-Scientological for him?
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Peter
>
> "You mocked up your own reactive mind, you mocked up your BTs and you
> mocked up your past lives.
> Those ARE the EPs (End Phenomenons) of scientology.
> L. Ron Hubbard told you so. This is what you are paying for, in no
> uncertain terms. Hubbard makes it very clear all the way "UP" the
> bridge.
> He even told you he was selling you a bridge."
> - Ladybird
>
> http://www.scamofscientology.nl
>
>
>
>
>
> > Saxton is a phoney. Period. There is no justification for anything he
> > did or said because L. Ron Hubbard's policy and technology clearly
> > make people self-determined and not like Saxton or other non-
> > Scientologists.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Gregory Hall
Leave me alone!
Barbara Schwarz
Neal Warren's religion:
http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm
Barbara Schwarz
=====================================
[REPLY]
Did you click on the home page in the link you provided? Apparently not
because the home page is called "NoBeliefs.com" http://www.nobeliefs.com/
and they are a bunch of atheists and anarchists.
The Anonymous Legion looks like a bunch of choir boys compared to this bunch
of cretins. And you believe their nonsense, Barbara? Shame on you.
Of course such a bunch of ne'er-do-wells is going to have nothing good to
say about the Scriptures and they misinterpreted all the Hell the few I
bothered to read. Took them out of context and misunderstood what the
message is. Like most Scripture there is a literal meaning and a
allegorical meaning and the literal meaning in many cases is not what the
scripture really says. One cannot take the Bible out of place and out of
time piecemeal and expect such quotes to stand alone and indicate the true
meaning.
But, you Scientologists have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to attack,
attack, attack. You can't bother trying to understand what you attack
because that might give you pause and that is not allowed. You must follow
the party line, Scientology playbook to the letter. If Scientology tells you
to march goose stepping and throw your right arm up horizontally with palm
out while shouting, "Heil Hubbard" that's what you do. What a bunch of
drones. Hitler would be proud of today's Church of Scientology.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara loves Marty
of the 11th Century) says he is religious.
What's good in the bible: do not die and don't be after the woman who
belongs to somebody else. etc, he ignores
but the degrading women stuff that some smears wrote in the bible,
that he believes:
Gregory Hall
Should I report you to Google for spamming, Barbara? I think their
definition of spamming is the repeated posting of the same or substantially
same message over and over. . .
I would report you if I were more like Monica Pignotti but I would commit
suicide if people thought I was even a bit like her.
--
Gregory Hall
John Dorsay
> I would report you if I were more like Monica Pignotti but I would commit
> suicide if people thought I was even a bit like her.
Many of us think you are a bit like Monica (no offense to Monica
intended).
Do you have a method and a date selected?
Gregory Hall
news:hef8bs$vin$1...@arscc.motzarella.org...
I figure I can wire about ten Pignotrons in series and connect one end to my
big toe and the other to my nose. That should do the job.
--
Gregory Hall
Barbara Schwarz
What a horrible posting by a man (Neal Warren) who says people should
follow him into Christianity.
Barbara Schwarz
John Dorsay
Do you have access to 10 Pignotrons? Do you have an alternate plan
if they are not available?
Gregory Hall
If I can't come up with the necessary Pignotrons perhaps I can get Monica,
herself, to come to the Keys for a week-end visit where she'll eat
everything in all the supermarkets so I'll end up starving to death???
--
Gregory Hall
Maureen
<barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Scientology Handbook is around for many decades with the Tonescale
> by L. Ron Hubbard.
>
>
> And Aaron, stop smoking. Disgusting habit.
$cientologists hold e-meters in their hands like cigarettes don't
they? They smoke alot of Hubbard.per se...double fisted
And e-meters can cause cancer, in the way that people do not seek
proper medical help?
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1349&Itemid=140
http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/16/5/214
Unproven Methods of Cancer Treatment: Hubbard E-Meter and Hubbard
Electrometer
CA Cancer J Clin 1966;16;214-215
This information is current as of September 22, 2007
The online version of this article, along with updated information and
services, is
located on the World Wide Web at: http://caonline.amcancersoc.org
To subscribe to the print issue of CA: A Cancer Journal for
Clinicians, go to (US
individuals only): http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/subscriptions/
The following statement concerning the Hubbard E-Meter and Hubbard
Electrometer,
proposed by L. Ron Hubbard, Founder, Academy of Scientology, for the
treatment of
many diseases and conditions, including cancer, was recently
distributed to the 58
Divisons of the American Cancer Society for their information.
Hubbard E-Meter and Hubbard Electrometer
After careful study of the literature and other information available
to it, the
American Cancer Society has found no evidence that treatment with the
Hubbard E-Meter
and Hubbard Electrometer results in any objective benefit in the
treatment of cancer
in human beings.
This is based on the following summary of information in the American
Cancer Society
files:
Therapy
Hubbard E-Meters (electroencephaloneuromentimographs) and Hubbard
Electrometers are
skin galvanometer-type, battery-operated devices used by
"Scientologists" to "audit"
or listen to people who have problems, including ill health. According
to the Food
and Drug Administration (1) at the time they seized 117 E-Meters and
Electrometers at
the Academy of Scientology in Washington, the accompanying labeling
"falsely"
represented that the devices are effective for the diagnosis,
prevention, treatment,
detection and elimination of the causes of all mental and nervous
disorders such as
neuroses, psychoses, schizophrenia, and all psychosomatic ailments.
Psychosomatic
ailments were represented to include most of the physical ailments of
man such as
arthritis, cancer. . . It was further claimed that the device is
effective in
improving the intelligence quotient, to measure the basal metabolism,
and "change the
state of man. . . .'"
The device itself is connected by 2 wires to a pair of cans which are
held by the
patient or "preclear" while he is being audited. Each is equipped with
knobs and a
large dial with a needle which moves as the person talks. According to
L. Ron
Hubbard, the inventor, "The meter tells you what the preclear's mind
is doing when
the preclear is made to think of something." 2
Scientology, the system for which the E-Meters were invented, is an
outgrowth of
Dianetics, which was first described in a book by L. Ron Hubbard
published in 1950
titled, "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Healing." In
Dianetics, (from a
Greek word meaning "thought") the conscious mind is called the
"analytical mind" and
the unconscious mind is termed the "reactive mind." "The analytical
mind, Hubbard
maintained, was a perfect computing machine, incapable of error" -
except for
'engrams,' which fouled up the computer. Engrams were recorded on your
"time tract"
by your reactive mind, when your analytical mind wasn't looking."
Dianetics also
"taught" one how to erase engrams by auditing. You 'returned' a person
on his time
track to the time of the engram, and had him talk it out by reliving'
it. Once all
the engrams were erased, a person would be come a 'clear' -- is â
€ highly intelligent,
healthy, with a great zest for life, enormously improved abilities and
a perfect
memory. . . . "2 The same terms and philosophy applied to
Scientology.
Background
Lafayette Ronald (L. Ron) Hubbard, the founder of Dianetics and
Scientology, was born
in 1911 at Tilden, Nebraska. He attended the George Washington
University Engineering
School in Washington, D. C., during the 1930's, but did not graduate.
He has not held
an engineering job, but has been a writer of science fiction and movie
and radio
scripts. "He considers himself an explorer, having made numerous
jaunts around the
globe, in cluding a sojourn in Asia where he studied mysticism. During
the war, he
was a naval officer on destroyer escort duty, and was severely wounded
in action."2
He uses two degrees after his name: D. Sn., Doctor of Scientology, and
a Ph.D. which
he received, he says, "fromSequoia University. This was a Los Angeles
establishment,
once housed in a residential dwelling, whose degrees are not
recognized by any
accredited college or university."2
Following the publication of Hubbard's book in 1950, The Hubbard
Dianetic Research
Foundation was established in Elizabeth, New Jersey, with centers in
the nation's
major cities. The earliest reference in the American Cancer Society
files is a letter
dated February 6, 1951, from Donald H. Rogers, Director of Research
for the
Foundation, offering the Society the opportunity of doing research in
the field of
Dianetics, since "engrams have been discovered which might account for
the physical
symptoms of cancer." In New Jersey, the Foundation was "charged with
violation of
the medical-practice act."2 It moved to Wichita, Kansas, where its
name became The
Hubbard Dianetic Foundation, Inc. In 1953, this Foundation wrote the
Committee on
Cancer Diagnosis and Therapy of the National Research Council offering
them a chance
to cooperate in research on Dianetics and reporting that " we have
seen enough
evidence of a significant nature to indicate that cancer may well be
psychogenic in
character."
"In February 1952, the Dianetic Foundation in Wichita went bankrupt.
It was later
purchased from the bankruptcy court by a Wichita businessman who
refuses to have
anything to do with Hubbard. At the moment (1952), the founder of
Dianetics is
living in Phoenix, Arizona. From there the Hubbard Association of
Scientologists
('Ëœscientology' is a new Hubbardian term, meaning the 'scienceof
knowledge') is
mailing out literature . . . publishing a periodical called
Scientotogy, and selling
a Summary Course in Diane-tics and Scientology, complete with tape
recordings, for
$382.50. The Hubbard College Graduate School, in Phoenix, charges a
registration fee
of $25.00 and offers a degree of Bachelor of Scientology."3
The headquarters of Scientology in 1964 was Saint Hill Manor, " a
traditional old
English mansion that stands behind a high gateway on a quiet Sussex
road some 30
miles south of London."2 From there Hubbard operates the Hubbard
Association of
Scientologists Inter national (H.A.S.I.). Individual Scientology
groups are called
"orgs." Many of the orgs are now chartered as churches."According to
Hubbard he has
'several million' followers in the United States, Canada, Mexico,
South America,
South Africa, Europe, Japan and Australia. . . ."There are also a
number of
Scientology academies, usually coxistent with a large org. In the
United States there
are 2 academies, one in Washington and one in Los Angeles, which train
people in
Scientology, award them certificates of various sorts and send them
out to train
other Scientologists. Saint Hill Manor. . . offers the equivalent of
post-graduate
courses. 'Saint Hill training' is necessary to achieve the top ranks
of H.G.A., which
stands for Hubbard Graduate Auditor. The loftiest of these is an
H.G.A. Class .4. . .
."2
Investigation
On December 8, 1963, an article in the New York Times, titled,
"Australians Look Into
Scientology. Ask if Preclear and Entheta Constitute Medical Fraud,"
reported that a
special board of inquiry had been appointed by the state of Victoria,
Australia, to
investigate "very serious allegations" made in Victoria's Parliament
about the
practice of Scientology there.
It also noted that "Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, 52-year-old founder and
coordinator of
research for the Hubbard Association of Scientology, denied the
Australian charges.
Mr. Hubbard. . . said today [December 7], that the association had
filed libel suits
in Melbourne totaling the equivalent of $700,000 but he declined to
say against
which. Scientologists, he insisted, are not permitted to 'treat'
persons for
illnesses. He said that some persons who had taken courses in
scientology had tried
to set up practice, but that 'where we see this happening we cut these
people off.'
Federal Action
"A seizure of 100 'scientology' devices charged misbranded by claims
that they are
good for detecting, treating and preventing disease was made during
December" 1962,
according to the FDA Report on Enforcement and Compliance, January,
1963.
"U.S.Marshals seized the 'Hubbard Electrometer' and 'Hubbard E-Meter'
devices at the
Academy of Scientology, The Distribution Center, Inc., and The Hubbard
Guidance
Center, both in Washington, D.C. . . . Also seized as labeling
containing therapeutic
claims charged to be false was a variety of literature. . . ."
"The Scientologists claimed religious persecution, showering
congressmen and the
White House with angry letters and telegrams. . . At Saint Hill Manor
Hubbard focused
on the book seizures, which he referred to as 'book
burning.' . . .Scientology has
appealed the FDA seizure in court, and the case will go to trial
sometime this
year."2
References
1. Proceedings, Second National Congress on Medical Quackery, October
25-26,1963.
Speech.by K. L. Milstead,Ph.D.,etat.
2. Saturday Evening Post,March 27, 1964.
3. In Time Name of Science, by Martin Gardner,
p.280 (New York, 1952).
>
> Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
> "John Dorsay" <restimula...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Gregory Hall wrote:
> >>news:hef8bs$vin$1...@arscc.motzarella.org...
> >>> Gregory Hall wrote:
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> >>>> I would report you if I were more like Monica Pignotti but I would
> >>>> commit
> >>>> suicide if people thought I was even a bit like her.
>
> >>> Many of us think you are a bit like Monica (no offense to Monica
> >>> intended).
>
> >>> Do you have a method and a date selected?
>
> >> I figure I can wire about ten Pignotrons in series and connect one end to
> >> my
> >> big toe and the other to my nose. That should do the job.
>
> > Do you have access to 10 Pignotrons? Do you have an alternate plan
> > if they are not available?
>
> If I can't come up with the necessary Pignotrons perhaps I can get Monica,
> herself, to come to the Keys for a week-end visit where she'll eat
> everything in all the supermarkets so I'll end up starving to death???
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gregory Hall
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<snipped spam>
You are as bad as Barbz Graham with your spam, Barbara. But, I still love
you and forgive you. That is the Christian thing to do.
--
Gregory Hall
Bobb999
> On Nov 23, 11:51 am, Bobb999 <bobjb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Barbara that smoking's a "disgusting habit". But who is
> > it in Scientology who's primarily responsible for creating a
> > perception of smoking as acceptable, even desirable? You guessed it!
> > The chain smoker of Kools, LRH, even purveyed the nutty notion smoking
> > prevents or cures lung cancer! No wonder smoking among Scientologists
> > became widespread. They were just following advice and practices of
> > habit while in CoS, thanks in part to LRon's tobacco teachings, no
> > kicking an addiction some experts say is as addictive, or more so,
> > than heroin?
>
> L. Ron was a 3-4 pack-a-day Thetan.
>
> His theory was that smoking -- it's the nicotinic acid -- rid the body
> of radiation and that the only cause of cancer was radiation.
>
> L. Ron's book about Radiation is:
>
> ALL ABOUT RADIATION
> L. Ron Hubbard (in the jacket it says he is a medical doctor AND
> nuclear physicist).
>
> Geir wanted to argue with me about the scientific validity in the
> book.
>
> make sure was revised, taking the crazy out before the reissue.
>
> I raised the same issue you mentioned below on Geir's blog. LRH's
> insanity about smoking supposedly got some Scientology kids hooked on
> the habit as young as 9 years old. They could be seen puffing away on
> the streets of Clearwater, a very odd sight people thought.
>
>
>
> > Of the perhaps hundreds or thousands who may have taken up smoking
> > all, or in part due to LRon's example & wise teachings on tobacco's
> > health benefits, one wonders how many may have since died from
> > following LRon's tobacco disinfo, by way of cancer, emphysema, heart
> > disease, stroke...? Add to CoS related tobacco deaths, the many
> > suicides provoked by LRon's abusive policies (disconnection, fair
> > game, SP designations), and deaths due to other forms of CoS medical
> > malpractice (cajoling people to go off crucial meds, or persuading
> > them not to see a doctor for medical conditions - 'cause afterall,
> > auditing can cure all your ills!) -- and one gets the sense LRon left
> > a long trail of countless human casualties in his wake.
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Astrid wrote: "[LRH's] theory was that smoking -- it's the nicotinic
acid -- rid the body
of radiation and that the only cause of cancer was radiation.
L. Ron's book about Radiation is:
ALL ABOUT RADIATION
L. Ron Hubbard (in the jacket it says he is a medical doctor AND
nuclear physicist)."
-Ah, so that was the great M.D's & physicist's "reasoning" about
smoking! That reminds me it's been said LRon's fears of radiation
meant Scientologist cancer patients frequently have been actively
discouraged from accepting any kind of radiation treatment, which no
doubt has created yet another sub-category of human casualties dead
from CoS medical malpractice.
How many more people have unnecessarily been made dead thanks to
Hubbard & CoS on "radiation", I wonder?
With Scientologists dropping like flies from following official
teachings, one can't help but wonder if by "clear the planet", that
LRH just might have had alternate definition of "clear" in mind -- as
in, eradicate all humans from the face of the earth!!
Barbara Schwarz
> On Nov 23, 11:54 am, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
Hubbard.
Barbara Schwarz
Maureen
Androgeny would explain her aggressiveness....
Barbara Schwarz
Plonk for Arnie Lerma's defamation hiding cowardly behind Maureen's
name
Barbara Schwarz
John Dorsay
> "John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hefac3$jhp$1...@arscc.motzarella.org...
>> Gregory Hall wrote:
>>> "John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hef8bs$vin$1...@arscc.motzarella.org...
>>>> Gregory Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would report you if I were more like Monica Pignotti but I would
>>>>> commit
>>>>> suicide if people thought I was even a bit like her.
>>>>
>>>> Many of us think you are a bit like Monica (no offense to Monica
>>>> intended).
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a method and a date selected?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I figure I can wire about ten Pignotrons in series and connect one end to
>>> my
>>> big toe and the other to my nose. That should do the job.
>>
>> Do you have access to 10 Pignotrons? Do you have an alternate plan
>> if they are not available?
>
>
>
> If I can't come up with the necessary Pignotrons perhaps I can get Monica,
> herself, to come to the Keys for a week-end visit where she'll eat
> everything in all the supermarkets so I'll end up starving to death???
Obviously your "threat" of suicide is just another instance of your
pathological attention seeking. Pity. I had hoped you had genuine
suicidal intent. The thought that you might earn yourself a 72 hour
hold made me smile.
Maureen
> > I would report you if I were more like Monica Pignotti but I would commit
> > suicide if people thought I was even a bit like her.
>
> Many of us think you are a bit like Monica (no offense to Monica
> intended).
Piggybacking with the same persecutory language and even terms
sometimes, yet like oil and water towards each other when posting
here.
>
> Do you have a method and a date selected?
As-ising?
John Dorsay
Hoping...
Gregory Hall
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>
>
>Androgeny would explain her aggressiveness....
Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny and phylogeny recapitulates androgeny.
--
Gregory Hall
Django
> Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny and phylogeny recapitulates androgeny.
What's Mom serving for dinner tonight?
Barbara Schwarz
Scientologist.
Being born in Scientology or coming to Scientology because your
parents do, does not make you to be a Scientologist.
It is your own urge wanting to explore the universe. Aaron didn't want
his questions about the universe answered but was rather occupied with
sexuality and his problems.
I find most of his arguments really ridiculous.
Barbara Schwarz