Report on the 2005 IAS event
Cerridwen
October 30th. The night before the IAS event, the IAS Patron's
Ball/Charity event was held. That was the event reported by the media
that told of Tom Cruise, Katie, John Travolta and others entertaining
the guests.
The video of this event played at the US orgs the weekend of
November 4th and 12th.
I really didn't want to attend this event. My husband refuses to go
with me anymore and my friends have been losing interest as well.
It's tough to get a date for this thing!
Since I have always been a "trooper," I decided I'd go to the event
even if I had to go on my own, so I could make this report. I'm sorry
I never wrote up my notes from this summer's "Freewind's Anniversary
Events" but those events were so boring and so lacking of any real
information that you didn’t miss much.
My premeal event report is that I ate leftovers at home from the night
before. Grilled salmon, with a mango salsa (to die for), asparagus
and little red potatoes! Yummy indeed! I don't put in too much
jalapeno pepper because I don't like breaking out into sweats!
I arrive at the event to the same old faces. I'd say attendance was
about 15% down from last year.
The event starts with the classic "Crusader" looking men on horseback
riding in the back fields of Saint Hill, coming to the rescue. Take a
look at this so you can get an idea of what they actually look like.
http://www.iasmembership.org/#start
Next, there is this gruesome high tech, in your face, anti-psych
video. It was like ars anti-psych spammers on steroids. It looks
like a sci-fi short movie about what the world would be like dominated
by psychiatry, as Scientology portrays it. It’s 4 or 5 minutes of the
most outrageous anti-psych propaganda I've ever seen and it’s obvious
that it was designed to scare and outrage people.
Later in the event when Mike Rinder was speaking, he gave quotes from
one of the world's most evil SP's ever, Brock Chisholm, President of
the World Federation of Mental Health (1957 - 1958). I don't remember
the exact quotes he used but it was something like this one:
"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds
of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national
patriotism and religious dogmas."
Scientology freaks out about stuff like this and uses it to prove that
psychiatry is the ultimate evil.
Rinder tells us that Chisholm and an evil British psych joined in a
"pivotal moment in psychiatry" when they set these goals because if
you look around, you can see that psychiatry has actually achieved
them, and it is now up to us to take care of it and rid the world of
the evil psychs once and for all.
Which brings me to the "theme" of this year's IAS event.
THE EVIL PSYCHS MUST BE TAKEN OUT! BUT THIS TIME I REALLY MEAN IT!
After the opening video, DM came out on stage wearing his crisp,
perfectly fit tux and "inflowed" the thunderous applause of his
adoring followers. Even if the past year was not good for
Scientology’s image, DM has been tightening the screws of
indoctrination like never before. I’d say the applause for him was
15% up from last year.
He began the event with another of his straight-up-vertical-bullshit
introductions. He explained that whatever we thought this event might
be about, we were wrong. Then he launched into the psychs in a way
that made last year's event, that up until then was the most
in-your-face attack on psychs ever, look mamby-pamby in comparison.
DM’s hyperbole impressed me. I think it would have impressed even LRH!
Now I just want to stress here that if you think the Scientologists
were bat shit crazy about the evil psychs before, you ain't seen
nothin’ yet.
DM says, “the final product of psychiatry is death!” We are going for
their heart and we’re going to “tear it out!” “There will be no more
gradients!” “No mercy will be shown!" Tom delivered that line better
at last year’s event but then he is a better actor.
Creepy! Very creepy!
Maybe Tom will show a video of the event to Katie's parents. I’m sure
they’ll love it!
I find myself sitting there and asking myself again when the
Scientologist's in the audience will start to wonder when all these
grand plans and schemes are supposed to actually occur? Scientology
has been "taking out the psych's" for as long as I can remember. For
years Heber has been showing graphs of the number of psychs jailed and
how many dollars aren’t going to the psychs anymore due to CCHR's
activities. But each year we are told that illiteracy in schools is
getting worse, there are more drug addicts and more criminality.
We’re told that the social programs are expanding like mad and that
more and more auditors are being made. So why do things keep getting
worse instead of better? Scientologists don’t ever seem to ask this
question.
Scientologists are very disconnected from the real world around them.
They see the world through Hubbard's and DM’s eyes rather than their
own. There is no comparison to the claims being made by Scientology
and the actual stats and the Scientologists are unable to see it. They
are completely taken in by the bullshit.
So there I am, a lowly evil SP, among the sheep. I am watching DM
ranting and raving about the trillions of dollars that the psychs rake
in from the government, when I finally I have a major cognition.
It's all about money. Don't get me wrong, it's always been about
money, but now it's about A LOT more money. DM is serious, make that
very serious, about getting his hands on government funding.
He's been having some success doing this with greedy politicians that
will happily look the other way when it comes to Scientology front
groups if they can get some campaign donations and lunch with a
Scientology celeb.
Money talks. It talked to Sheriff Lee of New Orleans, who happened to
be at this event and walked away with a check for £40,000. DM is
spending money on getting their orgs to look "ideal" and expensively
upstat. He is using the money they reg from Scientologists to buy
their way into the mainstream. Why? Because it works. Because the
mainstream is where the real money is. And because the easiest
mainstream money to get is from governments. The psychs get the
billions now. If DM could get his hands on this money, man he
could... he would… Clear the planet!
Up until it was exposed, they had success with this strategy by
donating sizeable amounts of cash to the campaign of the openly gay,
NY Councilwoman, Margarita Lopez, and she in turn assisted them in
getting a grant for $630,000 in city funds for the New York Rescue
Workers Detoxification Project, that is nothing more than another
Purification recruitment center for the Church of Scientology.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/programs/p rograms15.html
I mention “gay” because it goes to show that Scientology will violate
their own "beliefs" and "tech" by contributing to a gay politician.
Per the tech, gays are 1.1 on the "tone scale" and they are all
perverts and should never be trusted.
They also have Applied Scholastics working with a wog grant writer to
get government money in order to get study tech into the schools, and
new recruits on the “Bridge to Total Freedom.”
Like it or not, they are having some successes buying politicians and
lobby governments. If you notice, they can keep it very quiet when
they want to. They never announced at any event or published in any
mag that they had obtained a $630,000 grant from NY City.
The money DM is spending sometimes gets them to first base. We're
going to see a lot more of this unless IAS and other donations dry up.
You would think they would brag about these "wins" but I think they’ve
stopped doing that. Would it have something do to with SP's attending
events and reading their mags and blowing the whistle on them? :)
I can picture DM as his master plan moves forward. In his mind he has
nothing to lose. He wants Scientology to be mainstream. He wants to
replace psychiatry with Scientology and get government money and the
power comm lines that go with it.
I haven’t forgotten that the psychs give the loyal followers an
external enemy to keep them from getting any closer to understanding
the things that never get resolved in Scientology.
I haven’t forgotten that they use the psychs to turn away the
attention of wogs from their sacred scriptures. Ask Mike Rinder a
question on the Today show about “he who must not be named” and he’ll
sidestep it and tell you all about the evil psychs.
But it’s also about the money, the power comm lines and getting into
the mainstream.
I believe the anti psych-spammers on ars now are part of the program
to push the whole anti-psych program. DM didn’t wait for the IAS
event to give his orders to OSA. They got the orders right before the
latest psych spammers arrived on ars. If you don’t like the
anti-psych spamming, get used to it because it’s not going to go away
until the spammers have a cognition and “blow.” Hint to you spammers:
don’t forget to take documents with you when you leave!
Whenever there was applause the cameras would pan the front row that
was loaded with all the Big Scientology Celebrities wearing their
Freedom Medals. Those front row seats are ONLY for the big players
like John Travolta and his wife, Kelly Preston, and Isaac Hayes and of
course Tom Cruise and his pregnant and newly brainwashed girlfriend
Katie Holmes. But this year there was someone new. Right beside
Katie was her “best friend” and Scientology minder, Jessica Feshbach!
I've mentioned before that I tend to zone out at these events. Trying
to juggle Scientology reality and real life does that to me. This
event did it to me a lot faster than ever before. It wasn’t just the
creepiness. It was the evil. I used to love going to events but now,
it's just an unpleasant experience.
I don't know how to explain what happens to me when I am at these
events other than to tell you to try to imagine how an normal
unindoctrinated person might feel attending a fascist rally.
It can be extremely unpleasant to be a live witness to evil. It’s not
something you’re reading on ars or watching on tv. You’re there. And
the indoctrinated are there with you. You see the evil and want to do
something. But you know that if you do, you’ll be taken away, turned
over to “the authorities” and that will be the end of you.
It was never anywhere near this bad and I believe DM is going to keep
piling it on. That means Scientologists are going to keep lapping it
up. If anything is expanding “straight up vertical” in Scientology,
it’s the fanaticism. For the first time it’s beginning to worry me.
I’ve had a question about DM for a long time. How much of what he
does is because of his indoctrination and how much of it is his own
evil? I don’t have the answer. To me it still looks like a
head-to-head battle.
At one point during this event I asked myself how many more overts I
must have committed on the track to be sitting there while the rest of
the critics were sitting at home playing on their computers or having
a nice time with their family. ;)
When I finally come out of these thoughts, I notice DM is announcing
the first freedom medal winner who’s from France. Per DM, this French
guy was personally responsible for putting a bunch of French psychs
into jail in the past year. "My stable datum is what LRH said about
the psychs being the sole cause of decline in this universe." That
was an actual quote from the Frenchman’s acceptance speech. I’ll say
no more.
SCIENTOMOLOGY
I was looking forward to seeing how they were going to spin the Cruise
media entheta. They left that task up to Mike Rinder. There was Tom
Cruise, their number one boy, sitting in the front row and Rinder
enlightened us by telling us that as a result of Tom's tirades on
psych drugs, there were now hundreds of thousands fewer children
taking some psych drug for ADHD.
That was only the beginning of the spin and later Rinder gave more of
Tom’s stats. He said that the day after one of Tom’s anti-psych
interviews, the FDA called for a black box warning on one psych drug,
and two days after another of Tom's interviews, the FDA called for a
black box warning on another psych drug.
If you’re asking how Tom Cruise’s interviews made these things happen,
you’re not a Scientologist and just be thankful for that.
There were two standing ovations for Tom. The first one was during
DM's half hour or so at the beginning of the event. He got a much
longer one during Rinder's spin. I may have been hallucinating by
this point, but although I didn’t see the bullshit, I swear I saw the
steam that must have been rising from it blow past the front rows and
go unnoticed by the celebs.
Tom looked a little uncomfortable accepting the first standing ovation
but by the time he got the second one, he looked like the spin was as
true for him as it seemed to be for Rinder.
During both standing ovations, Katie's unblinking stares of adoration
towards Tom were something to see.
THE MUSEUM OF PSYCH HORRORS
I kid you not. In December CCHR will be having a grand opening for
the Museum of Psych Horrors.
They have produced documentaries that include original video footage
of Pavlov and his drooling dogs, Pavlov and drooling children, people
getting electroshocked and convulsing, and other good psych stuff like
that. They’re doing to these documentaries to show the world that
psychs and psychiatry are nothing but evil. Of course they will try
to get them shown everywhere but mainly they will be pushed in their
orgs. For one day of each month, the Column Tech in all orgs will
show only CCHR anti-psych propaganda.
Before Rinder showed some of the footage, he said that some of the
images are too gruesome to show at this event with "women and
children" being present.
My TR's really went out on that one. I had to restrain myself from
jumping up and saying "go fuck yourself, Mikey!" I can understand him
saying "children" but "women and children"?
What the hell was that boy thinking? Was this part of the script that
he was reading on his teleprompter or did he ad lib that one? That is
just an incredibly stupid thing to say. And I'm going to withhold a
rant about DM and his men-only inner circle.
MORE SPIN
DM’s spin on all of the "interest” there is in Scientology on the
Internet was highest ever. Yes, we all know how much he bullshits but
it even took me by surprise. He didn’t say a word about any evil
SP’s. He didn’t say a word about there being any criticism of
Scientology at all!
According to DM, there’s HUGE interest in Scientology and it’s all
because of their fantastic dissemination! That includes TC of course.
If you were a Scientologist and only looked at Scientology web sites,
and if you believed DM, what would be “true for you” is that millions
of people are interested in finding out about Scientology, and when
they find out about it, they LOVE it!
DM says stuff like:
According to Lycos search engine, of all the searches for "ology's"
(anthropology, sociology, etc) the # 1 "ology" searched is
Scientology!
Big applause!
But what’s the big deal?
How long was Scientology # 1? Were people searching because of DM’s
latest dissemination campaign or to find out more of what the Tom
Cruise nut cult is all about? We’ve been watching DM’s campaigns for
years and know they NEVER work! So which is it?
Everything he said about Scientology on the Internet was nothing but
spin to make a horrible downstat look like a fantastic upstat.
I’m used to Scientology propaganda but it keeps getting worse. All of
their spokespeople from DM on down are lying at unprecedented levels.
They lie to the media and they lie to their followers. They lie
without shame or embarrassment. They lie without a conscience. While
I write this report and try to maintain my sense of humor, I am still
deeply pained by what I witnessed.
Alright, enough of that.
THE AGING HEBER
The aging Heber is still a favorite speaker of public Scientologists
and DM dragged him out to award the other Freedom Medals. Heber may
also be one of the few “execs” that are not on the RPF or who knows
where.
Heber announced two Freedom Medal winners from the Ukraine. They were
basically credited for saving the Ukraine from the evil psychs because
they were the ones responsible for making the political revolution
that took place there last year go right. I don’t remember if Heber
said how but I’ll look in the next issue of Impact to see.
The last two Freedom Medal Winners were two women from Venezuela.
They got their medals for handling corruption in Venezuela, whatever
that means. I'll have to wait until the next issue of Impact to see
if it solves that mystery too.
Heber also announced that 130 or some such psychs lost their licenses
in the past year as a result of CCHR. This was upstat from about 70
the year before.
The rest of the event went by me in a blur because I was just sitting
there with my mind wandering, waiting to get the hell out and
wondering if my husband ate the last of the Pralines & Cream Ice
Cream.
ED Int showed up and did a boring talk on the VM's and all their
"great work" during Katrina and other disasters.
And that was it.
SCIENTOLOGY EVENT WEIRD MOMENT
I wanted to end on a cheerful note so I’ve saved the "Scientology
Event Moment" for last. It happened during the first hour when DM was
rattling off the stats. You know, where he goes so fast that nobody
has time to actually think about any of them, and afterwards nobody
remembers what they were.
He announces that LRH has just been acknowledged by Guinness World
Records as the author translated into the most languages. DM still
has lots more to say about it but everybody in the audience jumps out
of their seats in a truly spontaneous and noisy standing ovation for
LRH.
Does DM shut up and let them enjoy their celebration?
No! He plows right on and tries to talk over them!
Does the audience shut up and let DM finish?
No! They don’t care that he’s still talking, stay on their feet and
keep on applauding, cheering and whistling LRH loudly!
All I could think was, “This is The Battle Of The Titans!” LRH,
represented by his devoted followers, versus DM, represented by
himself!
Neither side gave an inch! The audience didn’t stop and sit down
until DM had spoken his last word!
It was a first, and a truly priceless Scientology Event Weird Moment.
LOL!!
Cerridwen
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com
nexi...@yahoo.co.in
I'd rather you stayed home next time and share Pralines & Cream Ice
Cream with your husband.
> While
> I write this report and try to maintain my sense of humor, I am still
> deeply pained by what I witnessed.
Your reports are great, priceless, very "colorful" and enlightening,
but are they worth the pain (and the risk you are taking .....) ....
¦::::::::]:)
nexibello
Quaoar
> The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
> October 30th.
....
> THE EVIL PSYCHS MUST BE TAKEN OUT! BUT THIS TIME I REALLY MEAN IT!
....
> DM's hyperbole impressed me. I think it would have impressed even
> LRH!
...
> Now I just want to stress here that if you think the Scientologists
> were bat shit crazy about the evil psychs before, you ain't seen
> nothin' yet.
>
> DM says, "the final product of psychiatry is death!" We are going for
> their heart and we're going to "tear it out!" "There will be no more
> gradients!" "No mercy will be shown!" Tom delivered that line better
> at last year's event but then he is a better actor.
>
> Creepy! Very creepy!
>
There is a fine line between the use of hyperbole for effect and the use
of hyperbole to incite personal action. DM and his henchMen are quite
possibly setting the stage for claims of incitement to bodily harm of
"evil psychs" if your summary is close to the facts of his presentation.
If only one of the $cientologists attending this event were to act out
the drama, causing the death or serious injury of an "evil psych", DM
could find himself in an inescapable world of criminal charges, the kult
could be labeled a terrorist group, and the entire affair brought down
in an instant. DM has declared a fatwa against psychiatry, the church
(sic) is reportedly increasing the intensity of their public rantings
against psychiatry with new investments and displays, CCHR is already
well-known for its rapidness against the profession in public venues.
The whole anti-psych affair doesn't look much different on the surface
than do the anti-abortion fundamentalist Christian right in the US, the
ecoterrorist stalinist liberals in the US, or the activist anti-West
Islamists in the UK. A single criminal act could expose DM and
$cientology in all its parts to their absolute worst nightmare.
Q
roger gonnet
Very impressive and very right regarding the dream of these criminal assholes
wanting ALL the money from govt.
To do what?
War, and more war, so as to dominate the "whole universes" with their armies and
ill minds of lrh creepy bastard cloned despotes.
because they can't exist if they have'nt some illicit war to spend their energy
on, since they hate pleasure and life as they are.
roger
"Cerridwen" <noad...@nowhere.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
TALHH39X386...@anonymous.poster...
roger gonnet
"Quaoar" <qua...@tenthplanet.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
OsKdnUnokLLHLuXe...@comcast.com...
> Cerridwen wrote:
>> The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
>> October 30th.
>
> ....
>
>> THE EVIL PSYCHS MUST BE TAKEN OUT! BUT THIS TIME I REALLY MEAN IT!
>
> ....
>> DM's hyperbole impressed me. I think it would have impressed even LRH!
>
> ...
>
>> Now I just want to stress here that if you think the Scientologists
>> were bat shit crazy about the evil psychs before, you ain't seen
>> nothin' yet.
>>
>> DM says, "the final product of psychiatry is death!" We are going for
>> their heart and we're going to "tear it out!" "There will be no more
>> gradients!" "No mercy will be shown!" Tom delivered that line better
>> at last year's event but then he is a better actor.
>>
>> Creepy! Very creepy!
>>
>
> There is a fine line between the use of hyperbole for effect and the use of
> hyperbole to incite personal action. DM and his henchMen are quite possibly
> setting the stage for claims of incitement to bodily harm of "evil psychs" if
> your summary is close to the facts of his presentation.
I agree, and my advice is to get a general complaint from the medical bodies
(including psychiatrists) to forbid the scam. Not only these assholes don't have
anything efficient to cure such cases, but they want them freed, and they want
the money for them while they are forbidding to take these cases! Insane
moneygrabbers and dangerous would-be-killers.
>
> If only one of the $cientologists attending this event were to act out the
> drama, causing the death or serious injury of an "evil psych", DM could find
> himself in an inescapable world of criminal charges, the kult could be labeled
> a terrorist group, and the entire affair brought down in an instant. DM has
> declared a fatwa against psychiatry, the church (sic) is reportedly increasing
> the intensity of their public rantings against psychiatry with new investments
> and displays, CCHR is already well-known for its rapidness against the
> profession in public venues.
I agree. Despite such an opinion could pass as an abuse of language, I don't
think the insane delusory "UFO" people (loyal officers) leading that UFO cult
are not able to do that.
They can ask that to be done, like the ill "religious" fools were doing years
ago to get aborter MDs killed.
>
> The whole anti-psych affair doesn't look much different on the surface than do
> the anti-abortion fundamentalist Christian right in the US, the ecoterrorist
> stalinist liberals in the US, or the activist anti-West Islamists in the UK.
> A single criminal act could expose DM and $cientology in all its parts to
> their absolute worst nightmare.
I had not read the next paragraph before putting mine: indeed, we agree.
r
Eldonbraun
of attending this surreal affair. The bit about them drowning out DM by
cheering LRH's multitudinous translation record was real damn funny,
especially considering some recent comments on how amateurish the
translations are anyway.
This CCHR "kill the evil psychs" bit will obviously work to some extent
only in countries where the mental health professions are halfway
vulnerable or lax in confronting Scientology. Maybe Davie thinks the
whole world operates like the United States of Supersitious Stardom,
but it doesn't.
It ain't gonna fly at all in Germany, France, Russia, and not very far
in the rest of Europe and Asia for that matter. We note that Ulf
recently kicked their sorry asses in Sweden. So where else are they
going to peddle this BS? Maybe the UK and Australia? South Africa?
It would be interesting to obtain a copy of this video and send it to
the two APAs (American Psychiatric Association and American
Psychological Association). Except for a few outspoken members,
they've been pretty mealy-mouthed about cults for a number of years.
But something like this might give them a bigger picture.
Howard
Not the UK. They have a bit of a track record here.
Howard
--
hedmundoatmacmaildotcom
Hartley Patterson
> DM says stuff like:
>
> According to Lycos search engine, of all the searches for "ology's"
> (anthropology, sociology, etc) the # 1 "ology" searched is
> Scientology!
I just checked lycos.com (I guess Google are on the SP list now) for
"scientology"
1. Scientology - Church of Scientology Official Site
The official site of the Church of Scientology. Offers video and audio
presentations, as well as virtual tours of churches.
www.scientology.org
2. Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology
Major anti Scientology site, with extensive news articles, analyses, and
criticism of the alleged Scientology cult, Dianetics, and L. Ron Hubbard
www.xenu.net
3. Scientology, What is it? - A Reference from the Church of...
Scientology, a comprehensive reference on the religion and how it helps
people live a better life. Find out for yourself and get your questions...
www.whatisscientology.org
4. Scientology, Scientologists, What Scientologists Believe, About...
A concise description of the Scientology religion, its beliefs and
practices, from Beliefnet.com...
www.beliefnet.com
5. Scientology Media Information - Church of Scientology International
Church of Scientology media relations site providing press releases,
biographical information and demographics.
www.scientologytoday.org
6. Lisa McPherson Memorial Page: killed by the Church of Scientology
Dedicated to a young woman who this site says was _QUOTATION_killed by the
Church of Scientology._QUOTATION_ Overview of the case, timeline, news...
www.lisamcpherson.org
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
David Rice, Esq.
wrote:
> The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
> October 30th. The night before the IAS event, the IAS Patron's
> Ball/Charity event was held. That was the event reported by the media
> that told of Tom Cruise, Katie, John Travolta and others entertaining
> the guests.
(Trimmed and saved)
Good Goddess, this is frightening. It sounds exactly like a Nazi
rally in Germany in the late 1930s.
For frightening parallels, one may read historical documents
regarding the "witch trails" in the early North American colonies.
The insane belief mechanism is the same, with merely the imaginary
designated targets changing.
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David Rice, Esq.
<qua...@tenthplanet.net> wrote:
> There is a fine line between the use of hyperbole for effect and the use
> of hyperbole to incite personal action. DM and his henchMen are quite
> possibly setting the stage for claims of incitement to bodily harm of
> "evil psychs" if your summary is close to the facts of his presentation.
>
> If only one of the $cientologists attending this event were to act out
> the drama, causing the death or serious injury of an "evil psych", DM
> could find himself in an inescapable world of criminal charges, the kult
> could be labeled a terrorist group, and the entire affair brought down
> in an instant.
That is very unlikely to happen. Look at the people who wound up
and let loose Timothy McVeigh: they still run their churches, give
sermons to like-minded psychotics, and remain utterly and
completely unmolested by law enforcement for their part in the
bombing McVeigh was convicted of committing. The entire Christian
Identity Movement creates people like McVeigh and USA law
enforcement does nothing.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial9/mcveigh/
One cannot expect (*) to be held responsible when he orders his
brainwashed psychopaths to go on killing sprees.
> DM has declared a fatwa against psychiatry, the church
> (sic) is reportedly increasing the intensity of their public rantings
> against psychiatry with new investments and displays, CCHR is already
> well-known for its rapidness against the profession in public venues.
>
> The whole anti-psych affair doesn't look much different on the surface
> than do the anti-abortion fundamentalist Christian right in the US, the
> ecoterrorist stalinist liberals in the US, or the activist anti-West
> Islamists in the UK. A single criminal act could expose DM and
> $cientology in all its parts to their absolute worst nightmare.
>
> Q
---
friendship
Thanks so much for this account, Cerri!!! Especially the applause
mania you recount at the end. Sounds like a little bit of a protest on
the part of the audience.
Eldonbraun
make a good rumor.
Povmec
So that must be the part that Matt Lauer hasn't studied, which explains
why he doesn't know about the history of psychiatry as well as Tom
Cruise... We should forward this to Mr Lauer.
Ray.
Android Cat
> friendship wrote:
Maybe DM didn't think translations were such a big deal since he'd already
helped translate LRH into the afterworld?
--
Ron of that ilk.
Michael Pattinson
"Idiots Ball" that Scn events have become.
I hope you continue to be so brave as to do this until your karma is
all pearly white...lol just kidding.
I remember the last event I attended in 1997 at Flag and being made
almost sick by the fake stats, false facades, insincerity and downright
hills of BS that was spewed out. I also remember the attendees being
surrouded (literally, no way out) by eager staff members there to sell
me the latest "release" whether I felt I wanted it or not (I didn't).
Thanks for the info on the aim to get government funding behind Scn...
it is all about the money, yes.
DM's little world is shrinking into a blob of unreality and gooey mess
of syrupy fake PR. I wonder if they will even notice as the world
scrapes them off the soles of its shoes in disgust?
bb
HARTLEY
1. Scientology - Church of Scientology Official Site
The official site of the Church of Scientology. Offers video and audio
presentations, as well as virtual tours of churches.
www.scientology.org
2. Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology
[snip]
4. Scientology, Scientologists, What Scientologists Believe,
About...
A concise description of the Scientology religion, its beliefs and
practices, from Beliefnet.com...
www.beliefnet.com
[snip]
BB
This seems a desparate attempt to find any positive statistic. DM
has
just invited parishioners to search the net. Note that beliefnet has
forums for the FZ in the scientology section.
Lagniappe
Cerri thank you for the report, it's more fun when you tell us
than when we are right there.
I saw the video http://www.iasmembership.org/#start " and I must
tell you that
these horseback men, didn't remind me of the 'crusaders' at all but
instead they reminded more of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
who came to bring us War, Famine, Pestilence and Death.
But then on DM's version I counted eight horsemen instead of four,
which leads me to believe that one the other four might represent
the image of a corporate COB with business suit with colored tie,
overseeing a vast global operation to bring about the end of the
world from an office headquarters.
The other horseman will bring Gullibility, the third one Abnormally
Low IQ and the fourth one Corruption.
All those colored speeches against the psyches are just brainwahsing
routines to make the scientologists believe that they are heroes who
will save the world by giving their money to the church
(Gullibility)
As good SP that they are they are always directing the attention
away from them and into others.
Lagniappe
Android Cat
> On 14 Nov 2005, Cerridwen wrote:
>
>
>
> Cerri thank you for the report, it's more fun when you tell us
> than when we are right there.
>
> I saw the video http://www.iasmembership.org/#start " and I must
> tell you that
> these horseback men, didn't remind me of the 'crusaders' at all but
> instead they reminded more of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
> who came to bring us War, Famine, Pestilence and Death.
You have to use IE because of the ActiveX. There's no sign of it in
Firefox.
Hmm. AAAAAiiieeeee! Make it stop, make it stop! The horror, the cheese!
I could never have sat through hours of that in person, never mind the
speeches.
barb
What? Are you saying you don't care for a nice Wendsleydale, Gromit?
:)
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
Android Cat
> Android Cat wrote:
>
>> Lagniappe wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Nov 2005, Cerridwen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cerri thank you for the report, it's more fun when you tell us
>>> than when we are right there.
>>>
>>> I saw the video http://www.iasmembership.org/#start " and I must
>>> tell you that
>>> these horseback men, didn't remind me of the 'crusaders' at all but
>>> instead they reminded more of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
>>> who came to bring us War, Famine, Pestilence and Death.
>>
>>
>> You have to use IE because of the ActiveX. There's no sign of it in
>> Firefox.
>>
>> Hmm. AAAAAiiieeeee! Make it stop, make it stop! The horror, the
>> cheese! I could never have sat through hours of that in person, never
>> mind
>> the speeches.
>>
> What? Are you saying you don't care for a nice Wendsleydale, Gromit?
> :)
That was pure Velveeta, maybe even Chez Whiz
John
> "Cerridwen" <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:TALHH39X386...@anonymous.poster...
Critics have a similar film showing a world under scientology. It's called
'1984'.
>
> Later in the event when Mike Rinder was speaking, he gave quotes from
> one of the world's most evil SP's ever, Brock Chisholm, President of
> the World Federation of Mental Health (1957 - 1958). I don't remember
> the exact quotes he used but it was something like this one:
>
> "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds
> of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national
> patriotism and religious dogmas."
>
> Scientology freaks out about stuff like this and uses it to prove that
> psychiatry is the ultimate evil.
>
> Rinder tells us that Chisholm and an evil British psych joined in a
> "pivotal moment in psychiatry" when they set these goals because if
> you look around, you can see that psychiatry has actually achieved
> them, and it is now up to us to take care of it and rid the world of
> the evil psychs once and for all.
And for Ron's sake, don't mention the 2000 deadline.
John
"David Rice, Esq." <deser...@ho-tmail.com> wrote in message
news:4378...@news2.lightlink.com...
> On 14 Nov 2005 13:16:44 -0000, Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
>> October 30th. The night before the IAS event, the IAS Patron's
>> Ball/Charity event was held. That was the event reported by the media
>> that told of Tom Cruise, Katie, John Travolta and others entertaining
>> the guests.
>
> (Trimmed and saved)
>
> Good Goddess, this is frightening. It sounds exactly like a Nazi
> rally in Germany in the late 1930s.
>
> For frightening parallels, one may read historical documents
> regarding the "witch trails" in the early North American colonies.
> The insane belief mechanism is the same, with merely the imaginary
> designated targets changing.
>
I does sound like a ramp-up of extremism. One hopeful thought is that many
cults get more extreme as their numbers shrink down to the core True
Believers. An armed compound of the faithful may not be too far away.
Quaoar
The other four are the lawyers.
Q
Fear Not
Psychiatrists?
They are getting depterate it seems.
What if their Ronroids actually try that kind of terrorist activity.
They (Church of Scientology) are starting to sound really creepy!
Wholely Crap!
Frear Not
Quaoar
I don't know the specifics of your claim that fundamentalist Christian
churches in the US actively promoted physical assault against of those
participating in abortions or proved connections of churches to the OKC
bombing. I am aware that there were or are groups of individuals that
have and probably will continue to assault abortion clinics and
personnel, but not of any churches that do or did.
OTOH, if what C has reported is factually (or even contextually)
correct, DM has made statements that can easily be interpreted as
calling for the physical assault or death of psychiatrists in the US.
Q
Quaoar
"Eldonbraun" <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131985114.1...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I seriously do not know where the hell you get your information about
the US; most of your monologues are based on knowledge of the US that
approaches zero asymptotically.
FWIW, the kult in the US is a non-entity except for those specific
individuals that willingly become involved in its duplicity. The kult
is a minor, almost invisible irritant, especially to the psy*
professions. No one takes them seriously.
The only issue that you can attack is that the kult is free to recruit
at will in the US. The fact that an invisible fraction of US citizens
become involved has escaped your limited intellect.
Q
Quaoar
I don't need to "think" anything. If what C has reported is factually
correct, then DM has come close to exhorting $cientologists to do bodily
harm to a selected group of people. One person's religious (sic) leader
is another person's terrorist. It's all a matter of interpretation
unless or until one of the followers follows through.
Q
Magoo
"John" <ju...@junk.com> wrote in message
news:dlbgkl$r5n$1...@perki.connect.com.au...
Thanks, Cerridwen!
Sounds like they're moving closer and closer to Jonestown every day.
Didn't Hubbard say, "In order to be suppressed, you have to agree to being
so"?
Well, they certainly are AGREEING that these 'evil' psychs are suppressing
them, aren't they? Death? errrrr.....knock, knock kids,....
Time to put on the life jackets and BAIL!!!
Remember LRH's FINAL PL:
"The Way OUT
IS
The Neeeeeeeeeeeeeearest
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!"
(Hey! HE Took it, why not YOU?)
Tory/Magoo~~
>
>
>
>
Little Princess
Thank you for your report. As someone who has never been "in" and has
just recently (a few months) started learning about this evil cult,
your report was very helpful. I've always wondered why the members of
Scientology could not see past the lies and brainwashing but this
report goes a long way in explaining that cult mentality and
brainwashing. Its hard for me to imagine how they can be that
delusional. How does the real world not intrude. I could see how it
doesn't for the "stars" like Cruise and Travolta since they are so
insulated, but it's hard to imagine a regular person being so taken
with it. I don't mean to insult those you you other who were "in", but
it's just so hard to see from the outside. I saw the parallels between
DM and Hitler and the whole Nazi and fashist thing and that scared the
hell out of me. I think you are doing a great thing by bringing this
all to light and I hope I can do something to help too at some point.
l.l.lipshitz
Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote:
| The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
| October 30th. The night before the IAS event, the IAS Patron's
| Ball/Charity event was held. That was the event reported by the media
| that told of Tom Cruise, Katie, John Travolta and others entertaining
| the guests.
|
| The video of this event played at the US orgs the weekend of
| November 4th and 12th.
thanks for your report, i like hearing about
scn events (i hate that you have to suffer thru them,
tho).
so let me understand how this works. the 'real' event
happens somewhere and is recorded, then the recording
is then shown at orgs around the world at some later
date.
do scnists dress up for these video presentations? are
refreshments served? are there other activities (games,
raffles, bake sales, etc) at these events? is the video
played straight thru or is it stopped periodically for
live comments or discussion? ie, are these video events
what scnists do to socialize, instead of pancake
breakfasts or spaghetti dinners?
[...]
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
people are not only innately stupid,
they are ambitiously so. -kk
l.l.lipshitz
"l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@lycos.invalid> wrote:
hello?
Cerridwen
>In article <elkube-410DC8....@aurora.lightlink.com>,
> "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@lycos.invalid> wrote:
>
> | In article <TALHH39X386...@anonymous.poster>,
> | Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> |
> | | The 2005 IAS event was held at Saint Hill, UK over the weekend of
> | | October 30th. The night before the IAS event, the IAS Patron's
> | | Ball/Charity event was held. That was the event reported by the media
> | | that told of Tom Cruise, Katie, John Travolta and others entertaining
> | | the guests.
> | |
> | | The video of this event played at the US orgs the weekend of
> | | November 4th and 12th.
> |
> | thanks for your report, i like hearing about
> | scn events (i hate that you have to suffer thru them,
> | tho).
Thanks :)
Sorry about the delay in answering. I've been quite busy suppressing mankind.
> |
> | so let me understand how this works. the 'real' event
> | happens somewhere and is recorded, then the recording
> | is then shown at orgs around the world at some later
> | date.
Correct. As a general rule:
The New Year's event is held in Los Angeles 4 or 5 days prior to the new year
and then shown on New Year's Eve, at the rest of the orgs
The LRH Birthday Event is held at Flag somewhere around March 13th and then
is shown at the local orgs around the world, approximately a week later.
The Maiden Voyage Anniversary Event is held on the Freewinds in the July and then
shown repeatedly at the orgs all summer.
The IAS event is held at Saint Hill, UK near the end of October/early November and
then shown a week or two later around the world.
There are a few other minor events like May 9th and Auditor's Day but the above
are the Big Int events.
> |
> | do scnists dress up for these video presentations?
Some do, depends on the org and the event. The New Years
and the IAS events are usually more dressy.
are
> | refreshments served?
Yes. Depending on how the org is doing some of the
refreshments can be rather lavish, others are cheese and crackers.
When the Freewinds or the Flag World Tour do an event (to promote
and reg people for services) they usually have good treats at the end.
They do this to give the impression that Scn is very affluent.
are there other activities (games,
> | raffles, bake sales, etc) at these events?
No. There is regging for books, tapes and courses.
However some of the larger orgs will have entertainment
after the event, especially for New Year's event.
is the video
> | played straight thru or is it stopped periodically for
> | live comments or discussion?
Heh, nope, it's played straight through. We are talking Scn
here so there is NO discussion. But there usually are
"surveys" about the event, asking how you liked it, what
part you liked, what part you didn't like, and of course
to write up any wins you had from watching it.
ie, are these video events
> | what scnists do to socialize, instead of pancake
> | breakfasts or spaghetti dinners?
Yes.
Recently however, Scn have been getting together for more
fundraising activities, dinners etc, because they all have to raise
money to turn their orgs into Ideal Orgs.
Cerridwen
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com
Paranoia is part of the ambiance here.-- Keith Henson
l.l.lipshitz
gatherings and whether they are similar to events that
other religious or charitable groups put on.
In article <TJAZ3K9G3867...@anonymous.poster>,
Cerridwen <noad...@nowhere.com> wrote:
| On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@lycos.invalid> wrote:
|
| >In article <elkube-410DC8....@aurora.lightlink.com>,
| > "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@lycos.invalid> wrote:
[...]
| is the video
| > | played straight thru or is it stopped periodically for
| > | live comments or discussion?
|
| Heh, nope, it's played straight through. We are talking Scn
| here so there is NO discussion. But there usually are
| "surveys" about the event, asking how you liked it, what
| part you liked, what part you didn't like, and of course
| to write up any wins you had from watching it.
i assumed this was the case (no actual discussion). i
thought maybe they'd stop the video at, say, some point
where miscavige exclaimed some big win and the local
org representatives could stand up and talk about
similar local wins, or local efforts contributing
toward the big win. i suppose they just play it all
the way thru and have this kind of presentation at
the end. wouldn't want to interrupt mr. miscavige....
| ie, are these video events
| > | what scnists do to socialize, instead of pancake
| > | breakfasts or spaghetti dinners?
|
| Yes.
|
| Recently however, Scn have been getting together for more
| fundraising activities, dinners etc, because they all have to raise
| money to turn their orgs into Ideal Orgs.
are any of these events open to the public? for
instance, many other religious groups will hold a
bake sale or spaghetti dinner or 'county fair' type
thingy to raise money. do orgs ever do that? (other
than put up a booth at swap meets/malls/etc to sell
books or give personality tests.)
thanks again.
Zinj
elk...@lycos.invalid says...
> first of all, thanks. i've always been curious about scn
> gatherings and whether they are similar to events that
> other religious or charitable groups put on.
To get a true feeling for 'Scientology Events', rent 'Triumph of the
Will'.
Zinj
--
Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil!
- The Tick
Cerridwen
>Cerri,
>
>I'd rather you stayed home next time and share Pralines & Cream Ice
>Cream with your husband.
>
>> While
>> I write this report and try to maintain my sense of humor, I am still
>> deeply pained by what I witnessed.
>
>Your reports are great, priceless, very "colorful" and enlightening,
>but are they worth the pain (and the risk you are taking .....) ....
I complain about the events but I think other critics and Ex's enjoy
reading them and getting the inside scoop. Also, it's so much fun
to tease the C of S by attending and posting about the events.
realpch
I get a kick out of reading them.
Peach
Cerridwen
>first of all, thanks. i've always been curious about scn
>gatherings and whether they are similar to events that
>other religious or charitable groups put on.
I think they are more like a Tupperware convention.
>
> | is the video
> | > | played straight thru or is it stopped periodically for
> | > | live comments or discussion?
> |
> | Heh, nope, it's played straight through. We are talking Scn
> | here so there is NO discussion. But there usually are
> | "surveys" about the event, asking how you liked it, what
> | part you liked, what part you didn't like, and of course
> | to write up any wins you had from watching it.
>
> i assumed this was the case (no actual discussion). i
> thought maybe they'd stop the video at, say, some point
> where miscavige exclaimed some big win and the local
> org representatives could stand up and talk about
> similar local wins, or local efforts contributing
> toward the big win. i suppose they just play it all
> the way thru and have this kind of presentation at
> the end. wouldn't want to interrupt mr. miscavige....
At the end of the event the lights in the room come on and the
public are told not to leave their seats. They are told to fill out
the surveys that are on the chairs and then to stay and listen
for a briefing. Some stay, some try to leave.
On trying to leave an event, attempts are made to sell you the latest
release or rerelease of Hubbard tech, or as in an IAS event, you are
hit up for money, for the IAS. If that doesn't work, you are asked to
make an appointment to come into the org for some sort of "briefing".
During the event, the exec staff get together to see who is at the event
and who they can reg for what services, donations, books, etc.
If you ask most Scientologists what happened at the event they can
tell you a few blurry details about some wins, but most of them can't
remember a thing. I know this because I used to be like that and didn't
actually start remembering stuff until I started reporting on it. Weird huh?
>
> are any of these events open to the public?
Most of these events are open to the public. However, you will be
questioned by security/ethics as to why you are there if they don't know you.
The best way to get in is to go in with a Scio in good standing who brings
you in as potential selectee. Otherwise, you will have to make up a convincing
story as to how you heard about it and why you are there and it better be
real "theta" if you want in.
for
> instance, many other religious groups will hold a
> bake sale or spaghetti dinner or 'county fair' type
> thingy to raise money. do orgs ever do that? (other
> than put up a booth at swap meets/malls/etc to sell
> books or give personality tests.)
No Scios don't really have bake sales, although I'm sure that
some have. Generally they are told to "think big" when raising
money. And to do it with Scn Tech. So they would go for having
a fancy Dinner at 200 bucks a plate and then once they had you
well fed, they hit you up for more money.
Cerridwen
>"David Rice, Esq." <deser...@ho-tmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4378...@news2.lightlink.com...
>> One cannot expect (*) to be held responsible when he orders his
While DM seems to be more fanatical than ever, I didn't want to give
the impression that he was ready to order mass murder of all psychs.
And while I suppose there could be more than a few whacked out types
sitting in the audience listening to DM thinking that all psychs should be
removed from the face of the earth, I don't think that they will go so
far as to start murdering them. I don't think that at all.
DM wants to replace them, he wants their money, and their power
but he also wants to be mainstream and killing psychs won't get him there.
So he will rally his troops to be more "active" in "exposing their crimes"
but not in wholesale murder. I just don't see that happening.
I don't know what will become of Scn. At this point they are getting completely
hammered in the press and in public opinion of them. DM's response to this
kind of stuff is limited to what Hubbard says to do, and that means just more
of the same old stupid stuff, except he has less and less personnel to do his
dirty work.
Recently there was a TV news report on the Stress Test in a Cincinnati Mall.
They had to bring the DSA from DC to Cincinnati to "handle" the press. Why?
Probably because they don't have the staff in Cincinnati trained to do it.
People continue to quietly leave while DM tightens his fist around the staff and public
and I personally love being a witness to their slow and steady decline.
Eldonbraun
the US, and enjoys support there not only by Hollywood stars, but a
number of business moguls like Craig Jensen and the notorious Feshbeck
Bros. (Admittedly, Zwan and Slatkin have tanked.)
>
> The only issue that you can attack is that the kult is free to recruit
> at will in the US. The fact that an invisible fraction of US citizens
> become involved has escaped your limited intellect.
Scholastics scams in 50 separate US states, each of which has to do
something about them individually. If it is a non-entity in the US, it
must be already gone from the rest of the world. But it isn't.
So why are we here talking about it? Because it's still big enough and
nasty enough to talk about.
>
> Q
Mark Thorson
> Cerridwen wrote:
> >
> > I complain about the events but I think other critics and Ex's enjoy
> > reading them and getting the inside scoop. Also, it's so much fun
> > to tease the C of S by attending and posting about the events.
> >
> > Cerridwen
> >
> > http://www.truthaboutscientology.com
> >
> > Paranoia is part of the ambiance here.-- Keith Henson
>
> I get a kick out of reading them.
>
> Peach
Me too. DM can scan the crowd, even sec-check
the whole lot of them, and they'll never find our SP.
(Though they'll probably find lots of perfectly innocent
Scn that "read" as the SP.)
Somewhere in that thronging multitude, there's our SP
who's screwing everything up.
And you don't know who it is.
Hartley Patterson
> I complain about the events but I think other critics and Ex's enjoy
> reading them and getting the inside scoop.
I do. The British press gave the junketing some publicity, and there was a
story that DM promised a specifically UK dissemination campaign. Do you
recall him mentioning that?
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
barb
I love reading your reports...you are observant and literate, so they're
always a great read! :>)
Dave Bird
<deser...@ho-tmail.com> writes:
>On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:54:59 -0700, "Quaoar"
><qua...@tenthplanet.net> wrote:
>> There is a fine line between the use of hyperbole for effect and the use
>> of hyperbole to incite personal action. DM and his henchMen are quite
>> possibly setting the stage for claims of incitement to bodily harm of
>> "evil psychs" if your summary is close to the facts of his presentation.
>>
>> If only one of the $cientologists attending this event were to act out
>> the drama, causing the death or serious injury of an "evil psych", DM
>> could find himself in an inescapable world of criminal charges, the kult
>> could be labeled a terrorist group, and the entire affair brought down
>> in an instant.
>
>That is very unlikely to happen. Look at the people who wound up
>and let loose Timothy McVeigh: they still run their churches, give
>sermons to like-minded psychotics, and remain utterly and
>completely unmolested by law enforcement for their part in the
>bombing McVeigh was convicted of committing. The entire Christian
>Identity Movement creates people like McVeigh and USA law
>enforcement does nothing.
>http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial9/mcveigh/
Babbling religious savagery gets away with murder in the USA, which
in some respects is a less civilised place than the Congo; not so
in Europe or Japan. Even if America, only specifically christian
flavours of slope-headed Neanderthal have full immunity from law.
>
>One cannot expect (*) to be held responsible when he orders his
>brainwashed psychopaths to go on killing sprees.
Possibly not if he remains in US jurisdiction.
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|_______|_______|,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dave Bird
>I don't know how to explain what happens to me when I am at these
>events other than to tell you to try to imagine how an normal
>unindoctrinated person might feel attending a fascist rally.
>It can be extremely unpleasant to be a live witness to evil. It’s not
>something you’re reading on ars or watching on tv. You’re there. And
>the indoctrinated are there with you. You see the evil and want to do
>something. But you know that if you do, you’ll be taken away, turned
>over to “the authorities” and that will be the end of you.
>
>It was never anywhere near this bad and I believe DM is going to keep
>piling it on. That means Scientologists are going to keep lapping it
>up. If anything is expanding “straight up vertical” in Scientology,
>it’s the fanaticism. For the first time it’s beginning to worry me.
Thanks for the insight in these reports. I can see that after ten
years (dog help us, has it really been ten years?) it's not true
that the Church<spit> of Scientology is undamaged, because it's
slowly collapsing through slow haemorrhage of skilled senior people
to keep it running.... but, equally, it's not dead or even surely
set for destruction yet> this, and the reports from London, tell
me there is very much still work to be done if we have the will
to keep doing it.
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>I’ve had a question about DM for a long time. How much of what he
>does is because of his indoctrination and how much of it is his own
>evil? I don’t have the answer. To me it still looks like a
>head-to-head battle.
I don't think there is a real distinction to be made: he is what he
is with full sincerity, a nasty little snake in need of extermination.