found another one from Narconon Stone Hawk Greg Beha
Behaser
Karin son went to Stone Hawk in March, lasted almost 2 months. Her
son ended up in the same Motel 6 in Kalamazoo as my step-son.
F.Y.I.
Greg Beha
gre...@frognet.net
http://vincedaniels.com/article16.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Personal/Beha/
From: Karin [mailto:karin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 AM
To: gre...@frognet.net
Subject: Stonehawk Narconon
Hi Greg,
Not sure if you are going to receive this email or not but I was
reading your story about what happened to your Step son at Stonehawk.
My son had such a bad experience there that he ended up leaving too. I
sent Per a certified letter (which was refused) requesting a refund.
When the "Stonehawk Executive Council" refused my letter, I called
Stonehawk and left a message for Per to call me. He did call me back
but was very belligerent about the issue. I was wondering if you are
suing Stonehawk??? A lawyer friend of mine indicated that I have a
strong case. Was wondering if you knew of anyone that has sued
before??
Karin
Nevaeh N. Lleh
Jesus Christ! How many times has this happened and no one's ever even
heard about it? When is some healthcare regulatory organization going
to shut down these friggin' scam "rehabs?"
barbz
So now we have THREE unsatisfied Stone Hawk customers, and one Newport
beach. Nice... I sense the snowball is gaining momentum and size as it
rolls down the hill. :)
--
--
Spidergraham
Chaplain, ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Eldon
It might be interesting to start a class action. Those guys work like
PI attorneys, on contingency. I'll bet there are lots of people out
there who would come out of the woodwork. And the last thing Narconon
wants is to have its records made public.
mad_kow
Behaser wrote:
> Karin son went to Stone Hawk in March, lasted almost 2 months. Her
> son ended up in the same Motel 6 in Kalamazoo as my step-son.
>
I'm wondering if it's time for one of those inside undercover
journalist reports, maybe on 60 Minutes or CBS, where the journalist
poses as a parent seeking help for his/her addicted offspring. With
hidden cameras and all that other stuff.
Be afraid Narconon. Be very afraid :)
Mad Kow (would you speak into this briefcase please)
realpch
Ah, yes! And then follow up interviews with Mr. Beha! The longer he
doesn't get his full refund, the more willing he will be to discuss the
matter widely!
Peach
--
Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
LagsAlot
person injured in their business or property by reason of a RICO violation.
Any person who succeeds in establishing a civil RICO claim automatically
receives judgment in the amount of three times their actual damages and
would be awarded their costs and attorneys' fees.
"Behaser" <gre...@frognet.net> wrote in message
news:1169083202.3...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Beckyboo
Eldon wrote:
> Greg,
> It might be interesting to start a class action. Those guys work like
> PI attorneys, on contingency. I'll bet there are lots of people out
> there who would come out of the woodwork. And the last thing Narconon
> wants is to have its records made public.
That would be very interesting.
Eldon, would you kindly take a moment to summarize how this might work,
should a class decide to form and go forward against Narconon? Would
they have to file against HQ's?
What's the first step?
--
Becky
One nice thing about egotists: They don't talk about other people.
Eldon
Beckyboo wrote:
> Eldon wrote:
> > Greg,
> > It might be interesting to start a class action. Those guys work like
> > PI attorneys, on contingency. I'll bet there are lots of people out
> > there who would come out of the woodwork. And the last thing Narconon
> > wants is to have its records made public.
>
>
> That would be very interesting.
>
> Eldon, would you kindly take a moment to summarize how this might work,
> should a class decide to form and go forward against Narconon? Would
> they have to file against HQ's?
Oooooh, you're putting me on the spot here, Beckyboo ;-). Disclaimer:
I'm not an attorney, nor is this legal advice, blablabla.....
However, as I understand in my own limited way, a class action is an
injury suit filed by a bunch of plaintiffs in a US federal court. Two
or three will do for starters. Once it is certified in federal court,
it is a free-for-all and more plaintiffs can be invited to join the
party -- not only in the US but internationally. That's what Melvin
Belli did about the Bhopal chemical plant explosion, starting at the
site of the disaster in India where he pitched a tent and people formed
a queue to sign up.
Narconon International and every other Narconon branch in the world
could be dragged into such a lawsuit, and their records subpoenaed
through discovery. Do you think their records are clean? Hmmm.....
>
> What's the first step?
Find a gutsy law firm that potentially wants to make a lot of money
(typically 1/3 of the settlement or award) by investing some time and
money to start the case. It's a PI (personal injury) sort of thing on a
large scale. Think asbestos.
barbz
What's that guy's name? Flynn? ;)
Eldon
You mean the one who went up against Scientology. What connection does
that have with Narconon other than using the technology of Mr. Hubbard?
I mean, that's just a coincidence, right?
barbz
He's a lawyer. He knows Scientology tactics. Might he not be a good
choice to take on Narconon?
Android Cat
> Eldon wrote:
>> barbz wrote:
>>> Eldon wrote:
>>>> Find a gutsy law firm that potentially wants to make a lot of money
>>>> (typically 1/3 of the settlement or award) by investing some time
>>>> and money to start the case. It's a PI (personal injury) sort of
>>>> thing on a large scale. Think asbestos.
>>> What's that guy's name? Flynn? ;)
>>
>> You mean the one who went up against Scientology. What connection
>> does that have with Narconon other than using the technology of Mr.
>> Hubbard?
>
> He's a lawyer. He knows Scientology tactics. Might he not be a good
> choice to take on Narconon?
CoS^w Narconon would bring all their legal guns (and big bag of dirty
tricks) into a fight like that. It'd probably take a big law firm that can
just toss a few more interns in when CoS^w Narconon raises endless legal red
herrings in hopes of dragging the case out another decade.
CoS is *terrified* of cases like Bonnie Woods, Dennis Elrich, Julie
Christofferson Titchbourne, or Larry Wollersheim that might establish a
precedent for later cases down the line.
Standard plays (mix and match):
* Overwhelm the other side, legally and financially with endless side issues
and procedures.
* Fair Game them with dirty tricks legal and otherwise.
* Drag the case out as long as possible, then settle with a gag clause.
* Appeal! Appeal! Appeal!!!!!
* Make such a dog's dinner out of the case over such a long period of time,
that no one can remember what the case established.
* Ponder shooting them. http://www.lermanet.com/dangarvin/index2.htm
* If all else fails, settle and even apologize--then lie about the result.
A class action suit, with no single "attacker" to take out, would make the
lawyers their natural target. So they'd better have resources and attitude
enough for the task.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Eldon
> barbz wrote:
> > Eldon wrote:
> >> barbz wrote:
> >>> Eldon wrote:
> >>>> Find a gutsy law firm that potentially wants to make a lot of money
> >>>> (typically 1/3 of the settlement or award) by investing some time
> >>>> and money to start the case. It's a PI (personal injury) sort of
> >>>> thing on a large scale. Think asbestos.
> >>> What's that guy's name? Flynn? ;)
> >>
> >> You mean the one who went up against Scientology. What connection
> >> does that have with Narconon other than using the technology of Mr.
> >> Hubbard?
> >
> > He's a lawyer. He knows Scientology tactics. Might he not be a good
> > choice to take on Narconon?
>
> CoS^w Narconon would bring all their legal guns (and big bag of dirty
> tricks) into a fight like that. It'd probably take a big law firm that can
> just toss a few more interns in when CoS^w Narconon raises endless legal red
> herrings in hopes of dragging the case out another decade.
>
> CoS is *terrified* of cases like Bonnie Woods, Dennis Elrich, Julie
> Christofferson Titchbourne, or Larry Wollersheim that might establish a
> precedent for later cases down the line.
Yes, you are right there. Do you think Cof$ might be terrified about
having its front groups exposed as being managed by Scientology
undercover? I know that some of the Narconon people are more or less
good-hearted dupes who don't quite realize how much they are under DM's
thumb. But some surely do. Also, I wonder how much funding they could
come up to defend themselves. Scientology might sacrifice some or all
of them as scapegoats. Remember the GO?
Just speculating here of course. But they do deny an overt connection.
Out_Of_The_Dark
endspam...@myway.com wrote:
> Behaser wrote:
> > Karin
>
> How did you get thist? Did you steal it? I don't understand why you
> have a problem with a drug rehab organization unless you are a druggie
> and afraid of sobering up.
>
>
> NOCEM Spam attack bot StopBabbles is spammer, defamer and death threat
> maker Robert Griffin from Australia, and he teams up with with stalker,
> forger and defamer Peat Stapleton. (Eru Avatar with e-mail address
> alsimak_three @ yahoo.com)
>
> Let's check these guys out:
> I did research. Robert Griffin is a very abusive person. Many posters
> complain bitterly about his abusive behavior on and off the net. Read
> this about Robert Griffin and google his name:
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=robert+Griffin%2BFAQ&qt_s=Search
>
> Apparently, he also forges a woman with last name Schwarz on Usenet,
> and he is cyber stalker Gary Duncan aka Clambake @ cliffhanger.com.
>
> He seems rather cozy with a Karin Spaink who has no bad conscience when
> people drop dead. Here is a link about the activities of that scary
> person:
> http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/karin-spaink/
>
>
> Griffin was nominated: Robert Griffin for Busted Urinal kook on
> alt.usenet.kooks
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/7f4a731c155a68d3?...
>
>
> NOCEM abuse and spam bot promotes and spams the website of k00k
> researcher David Touretzky. Here is a link that reports about this
> weirdo.
> http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/david-touretzky/
>
> Then we have old self-confressed child rapist, Peat Stapleton. Former
> inmate Stapleton teams up with the NOCEM bot owner.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=Peat+stapleton&qt_s=Search
>
> NOCEM abuse and spam bot also promotes the hate and defamer website
> ABHL website and their webmaster inmate Brian J. Bruns. Google groups
> reveals startling information about this abuser.
> Read this:
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Brian+Bruns%2BAHBL&qt_s=Search
>
> NOCEM abuse and spam bot promotes Wikipedia, while researcher know
> about significant false information on this unprofessional
> encyclopedia.
> Read this:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/wikiped/petition.html
> (I don't think that Jim Wales gives a damn. Google his name too!) <
Perhaps you forgot that these parents were ripped off financially by
Narconon Stone Hawk and their children were not given the services they
were promised.
Even Hubbard says that the only reason you'll get problems like this is
failing to deliver what all that the org promiseed or not delivering at
all. You were an exec. You should know that. Are you prejudiced against
parents helping their children who are addicted to drugs? Educate
yourself on these things first - you make stupid comments like that
Barbara if you aren't..
~Mary
wwww.stop-narconon.org
Eldon
Behaser wrote:
> Karin son went to Stone Hawk in March, lasted almost 2 months. Her
> son ended up in the same Motel 6 in Kalamazoo as my step-son.
Greg,
This brings up another point. I'm not sure of these kids' ages. Were
they of legal age? Were they considered "competent to make decisions,"
or were they at Stone Hawk under parental consent? I'm asking this
because legally, the Narconon people might have put them under the
guardianship of Motel 6.
Is Motel 6 a subsidiary drug rehab agency or is it a business catering
to adults? Just wondered about this aspect of things.
If someone dumps a minor who has a drug problem at a motel with ten
bucks... well, the motel manager might be called into question. Perhaps
Motel 6 might want to elucidate their policy on this matter. Just
wondered.
Eldon
Beckyboo wrote:
> Eldon wrote:
> > Behaser wrote:
> > > Karin son went to Stone Hawk in March, lasted almost 2 months. Her
> > > son ended up in the same Motel 6 in Kalamazoo as my step-son.
> >
> > Greg,
> > This brings up another point. I'm not sure of these kids' ages. Were
> > they of legal age? Were they considered "competent to make decisions,"
> > or were they at Stone Hawk under parental consent? I'm asking this
> > because legally, the Narconon people might have put them under the
> > guardianship of Motel 6.
> >
> > Is Motel 6 a subsidiary drug rehab agency or is it a business catering
> > to adults? Just wondered about this aspect of things.
> >
> > If someone dumps a minor who has a drug problem at a motel with ten
> > bucks... well, the motel manager might be called into question. Perhaps
> > Motel 6 might want to elucidate their policy on this matter. Just
> > wondered.
>
> and, letters should be written to them and their corporate offices, if
> applicable.
It might not be applicable in a strict legal sense if the people dumped
there were of legal age. I dunno. But it does not bode well for the
image of a national hostelry chain to be the dumping ground for
Narconon's rejects anyway, just in terms of PR. "We'll leave the porch
light on fer ya?" Gimme a f**king break.
There is such a thing as an "impaired adult," and just summarily
kicking someone out of a drug rehab program might be seen as putting
them at unacceptable risk. It's despicable.
> Becky
> Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?
I suppose so if they aren't made with butter... but I would prefer a
nice little piece of toast under the foie gras, thanks.
Kimberly
> Eldon wrote:
> > Greg,
> > It might be interesting to start a class action. Those guys work like
> > PI attorneys, on contingency. I'll bet there are lots of people out
> > there who would come out of the woodwork. And the last thing Narconon
> > wants is to have its records made public.
>
> That would be very interesting.
>
> Eldon, would you kindly take a moment to summarize how this might work,
> should a class decide to form and go forward against Narconon? Would
> they have to file against HQ's?
>
> What's the first step?
>
> --
>
> Becky
> One nice thing about egotists: They don't talk about other people.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Behaser wrote:
> > > son ended up in the same Motel 6 in Kalamazoo as my step-son.
>
> > > F.Y.I.
> > > Greg Beha
> > > gre...@frognet.net
> > >http://vincedaniels.com/article16.html
>
> > >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Personal/Beha/
>
> > > From: Karin [mailto:karin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:33 AM
> > > To: gre...@frognet.net
> > > Subject: Stonehawk Narconon
>
> > > Hi Greg,
>
> > > Not sure if you are going to receive this email or not but I was
> > > reading your story about what happened to your Step son at Stonehawk.
> > > My son had such a bad experience there that he ended up leaving too. I
> > > sent Per a certified letter (which was refused) requesting a refund.
> > > When the "Stonehawk Executive Council" refused my letter, I called
> > > Stonehawk and left a message for Per to call me. He did call me back
> > > but was very belligerent about the issue. I was wondering if you are
> > > suing Stonehawk??? A lawyer friend of mine indicated that I have a
> > > strong case. Was wondering if you knew of anyone that has sued
> > > before??
>
>
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I currently have a fiance there and his parents and I am very upset
not knowing what to do.....he needs help and we've already taken from
their retirement to pay for this and he's been there 6 weeks. Total
depression, badly treated, verbally and mentally abused, bad headaches
and now his kidneys hurt and his sugar levels are up from taking
2500mg of niacin a day!! He had to beg for a week to finally be seen
by a doctor to have blood tests done.....of course he still is forced
to take the niacin plus all the vitamins/drinks they force on him
otherwise he doesn't get to pass. We would love to get involved in a
class action suit and I talk to him twice a day.....any questions I
should ask him??? It's not just about the money....it's about saving
lives and getting help when an addict FINALLY reaches his end and is
begging for it.
But like he said....."whose going to belive me......I'm a junkie to
the world." (He's a 32 year old VERY handsome professional who has
battled addiction for 10 years)
Kimberly
Eldon
It doesn't matter who would believe him -- on his own word. But a
court would certainly believe that Narconon is junk science, what with
all the evidence already amassed. Is he at Stone Hawk? If so, this
makes three cases there in the past few months. Even if he's not, the
program is the same everywhere.
It's just that, as I understand it, a class action has to be filed
within a particular state, in a federal court. Then it can be extended
nationally and internationally.
Kimberly
>
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>
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Yes he is at Stone Hawk in Battle Creek currently. He has been there
since 1/2/07