Hubbard's rules give Scientology's OT super-people an "out" so they are not embarrassed.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Hubbard orders the Scientology OT super-people not to show off their
super people powers.
This Hubbard policy kills many birds with one stone. One problem this
policy solves is that OT super-people don't have to be put on trial
for NOT delivering on their OT super-powers.
The Hubbard "don't show off your OT powers" rule lets Scientology OT
super-people off the hook.
I ran across an Indian Rationalist Association which has a 50 year
plus history of debunking thousands and thousands of Indian mystics as
frauds.
Here's a recent BBC radio/news link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/outlook/2008/07/080703_india_outlook_challenge.shtml
This tradition of the Indian Science and Rationalist Association
debunking Indian mystics is decades long.
(I wish I'd heard about their work, I possibly would have saved myself
the Scientology wrong turn in life, I was ripe for the Scientology OT
super-people claims, due to my already having falsely thought there
was validity in groups like Baba Ram Dass, Theosophy, Ekankar,
Rosicrucianism , all those groups touch upon fantastic spiritual
states or abilities.)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_n3_v20/ai_18372127
Quote:
"Premanand has a book, Science Versus Miracles, in which he explains
150 or so tricks of the godmen. In his letter, he expressed interest
in writing nine more volumes "so that I can explain about 1,500 tricks
of the godmen which I have been able to explain since I started
investigating them." The Indian Skeptic he edits is a monthly, in
English. In a New Humanist (June 1992) interview with British editor
Jim Herrick, Premanand smiled upon hearing that, in the West, European
psychics and spiritualists are thought of as fraudulent whereas Indian
gurus are believed to be basically honest. "They want something new
and they think that new powers come from these gurus," he explained.
"In India, you can take action against people who make false
advertisements."
"Although Ghosh and Premanand appear to be tackling "religious
trickery" in different Randilike [James Randi, magician] ways and with
differing claims, both appear to be enjoying the challenge of
debunking mysticism in India, reputedly the most resistant nation to
the appeal of rationalism and skepticism."
Tom Newton
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> Hubbard orders the Scientology OT super-people not to show off
> their super people powers.
That's because Hubbard, unlike you, had a functioning mind.
He knew what happens to people who demonstrate extra-ordinary
abilities to the public: They and their associates and families
are hounded by the press and the corporations and the governments
for the rest of their lives.
Sometimes by mobs of frightened citizens.
Depending on the abilities demonstrated, that "hounding" can
become serious indeed. Even lethal.
(He's referring to L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology,
who is long dead. The current leader of the Church of Scientology
is David Miscavige, and he is not a puppet of Hubbardian
doctrine.)
One gets so tired of these ignorant bigots trying to stab the
Church of Scientology in the back with their sophomoric
hate propaganda.
Hate warps the mind and interferes with its proper functioning,
as you can see here and in most of the articles posted on this
cesspool of a forum.
<snip>
Tom
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"Tom Newton" <t...@server.invalid> wrote in message
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Chuck's not an anon. That's obvious.
He also was in CofS for YEARS.
C
obsce...@live.com
You moron.
Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
call him.
You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve
Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
You chickened out because you're an abject coward and a pussy.
You're the laughing stock of this group, "Tom".
Alexia Death
> You're the laughing stock of this group, "Tom".
/me has a heartily laugh at "Tom"
Hey, every village has its idiots. We have Koos, Barbara and Tom, Tom
being the most coherent of them. Sadly that makes him predictable and
boring. He has not tried a new troll in ages.
And yes, that "OT-s shall not show their super-powers" is the ultimate
logical loop to let them of the hook. that still does not explain why
the OT-s have not manged to quietly and without sorrow dispose of the
anonymous, the ULTIMATE sp-s.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> snip... Hubbard ...knew what happens to people who demonstrate extra-ordinary
> abilities to the public: They and their associates and families
> are hounded by the press and the corporations and the governments
> for the rest of their lives.
>
Greek gods hung out at Mt Olympus, away from the pestering humans.
They just dipped into reality, did their OT superpower business, and
retreated to Mt Olympus.
I guess earth's current crop of Scientologist OT superpeople produced
by L. Ron Hubbard's "Bridge to Total Freedom" haven't yet set up shop
in a safe place they can congregate and hang out as a group of OT
superpeople.
All the Scientologists who are OT superpeople would have to do, is
create their own Mt. Olympus club.
I guess the Freewinds was supposed to be that, sort of.
For sure the Sea Organizations is NOT a Mt. Olympus! Staff life
involves NO superpeople power demonstration, rather quite a lot of
frustration and blaming of each other (omitting to ever blame Hubbard
for his delusional claims about reality and people's superpowers).
My point was Indian Rationalists are debunking Indian mystics, and
that is a good thing!
Eldon
wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>
> > snip... Hubbard ...knew what happens to people who demonstrate extra-ordinary
> > abilities to the public: They and their associates and families
> > are hounded by the press and the corporations and the governments
> > for the rest of their lives.
>
> Greek gods hung out at Mt Olympus, away from the pestering humans.
>
> They just dipped into reality, did their OT superpower business, and
> retreated to Mt Olympus.
>
> I guess earth's current crop of Scientologist OT superpeople produced
> by L. Ron Hubbard's "Bridge to Total Freedom" haven't yet set up shop
> in a safe place they can congregate and hang out as a group of OT
> superpeople.
>
> All the Scientologists who are OT superpeople would have to do, is
> create their own Mt. Olympus club.
You mean like the Super Adventure Club of South Park fame?
>
> I guess the Freewinds was supposed to be that, sort of.
Hmmm.... since those Sea Org kids are just thetans in small bodies,
perhaps money could be made by running a ship-based child prostitution
business in international waters. I mean, it's freedom of religion,
right?
Stephen Durkin
> On Jul 4, 1:12 am, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>
> You moron.
>
> Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
>
> Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
> call him.
>
> You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
Yeah, Tom, where's my air ticket? Wait...what's an air ticket?
obscene dog
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 4, 5:21 am, obscene....@live.com wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 1:12 am, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You moron.
>>
>> Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
>>
>> Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
>> call him.
>>
>> You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
>
>Yeah, Tom, where's my air ticket? Wait...what's an air ticket?
Have I erred in some way?
--
Don't get in front of me.
What the... Oh, shi-
Stephen Durkin
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Durkin
>
> >On Jul 4, 5:21 am, obscene....@live.com wrote:
> >> On Jul 4, 1:12 am, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> You moron.
>
> >> Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
>
> >> Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
> >> call him.
>
> >> You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
>
> >Yeah, Tom, where's my air ticket? Wait...what's an air ticket?
>
> Have I erred in some way?
>
> --
>
> Don't get in front of me.
> What the... Oh, shi-
I'm not sure if you've erred...I just don't know what air ticket
means...
Jonnie Tyler
news:7b13fd7c-2bdc-49a5...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
It's the kind of ticket Tom sends to keep up with his word - a ticket full
of hot air.
WolfyRik
> On Jul 4, 3:16 pm, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > snip... Hubbard ...knew what happens to people who demonstrate extra-ordinary
> > > abilities to the public: They and their associates and families
> > > are hounded by the press and the corporations and the governments
> > > for the rest of their lives.
>
> > Greek gods hung out at Mt Olympus, away from the pestering humans.
>
> > They just dipped into reality, did their OT superpower business, and
> > retreated to Mt Olympus.
>
> > I guess earth's current crop of Scientologist OT superpeople produced
> > by L. Ron Hubbard's "Bridge to Total Freedom" haven't yet set up shop
> > in a safe place they can congregate and hang out as a group of OT
> > superpeople.
>
> > All the Scientologists who are OT superpeople would have to do, is
> > create their own Mt. Olympus club.
>
> You mean like the Super Adventure Club of South Park fame?
>
>
>
> > I guess the Freewinds was supposed to be that, sort of.
>
> Hmmm.... since those Sea Org kids are just thetans in small bodies,
> perhaps money could be made by running a ship-based child prostitution
> business in international waters. I mean, it's freedom of religion,
> right?
One of the many reasons I find scientology disturbing is exactly that
possibility. We have laws governing what age makes a child or an adult
in order to protect children from terrible abuses. Children cannot
reason the same way adults do because they have less knowledge, less
life-experience and are not emotionally mature. When Hubbard's ron-
bots claim that children are just adults in small bodies, it opens a
very disturbing can of worms.
obscene dog
<stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 7, 12:49 pm, obscene dog <obscene....@xenu.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Durkin
>>
>> <stephen.dur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 4, 5:21 am, obscene....@live.com wrote:
>> >> On Jul 4, 1:12 am, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> You moron.
>>
>> >> Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
>>
>> >> Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
>> >> call him.
>>
>> >> You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
>>
>> >Yeah, Tom, where's my air ticket? Wait...what's an air ticket?
>>
>> Have I erred in some way?
>
>I'm not sure if you've erred...I just don't know what air ticket
>means...
You use it to board a 'plane and fly places.
Make sure Tom buys your return ticket too :-)
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Stephen Durkin
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:36:39 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Durkin
>
>
>
> <stephen.dur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 12:49 pm, obscene dog <obscene....@xenu.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Durkin
>
> >> <stephen.dur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 4, 5:21 am, obscene....@live.com wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 4, 1:12 am, Tom Newton <t...@server.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> You moron.
>
> >> >> Chuck Beatty is not Anonymous.
>
> >> >> Chuck Beatty is the one who posted his 'phone number and dared you to
> >> >> call him.
>
> >> >> You chickened out in much the same way you chickened out when Steve Durkin posted his real address so as you can send him an air ticket.
>
> >> >Yeah, Tom, where's my air ticket? Wait...what's an air ticket?
>
> >> Have I erred in some way?
>
> >I'm not sure if you've erred...I just don't know what air ticket
> >means...
>
> You use it to board a 'plane and fly places.
Oh that? Yeah, Tom, I want an air ticket to South Africa for the 2010
World Cup. I'm 6'4" so I prefer to sit by the exit. I don't want
first class, but I do want a window seat. I want to arrive the day
before the cup starts and leave two days after it ends. Thanks, Tom.
I'm really looking forward to it.
> Make sure Tom buys your return ticket too :-)
>
Jonnie Tyler
> Oh that? Yeah, Tom, I want an air ticket to South Africa for the 2010
> World Cup. I'm 6'4" so I prefer to sit by the exit. I don't want
> first class, but I do want a window seat. I want to arrive the day
> before the cup starts and leave two days after it ends. Thanks, Tom.
> I'm really looking forward to it.
In the Business Class they now have these reclining seats where you are
almost horizontal and thus are supposed to be able to sleep at night. The
only one I tried was I think from Thai Airways (or was it Lufthansa? Am not
sure anymore). It was terrible. Because you are in fact not horizontal, you
slide down and so is very uncomfortable. I was better in the economy class.
Being completely horizontal is reserved for First Class and is out of price.
This being said, the last Economy Class I took was for a short trip and was
an Airbus. You can't recline the chair anymore, and because the seats are so
"ergonomic", you can't lay across several seats to sleep. Because the trip
was in the middle of the night and it was impossible to sleep because of
these conditions, it was a nightmare.
It seems the improvement they make to airplanes nowadays follow the trend of
migration between MS Office 2003 to 2007 - dreadful in the attempt to make
better.
thomas_...@hotmail.com
On Jul 3, 7:48 pm, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com>
wrote:
> Hubbard orders....
> This Hubbard policy...
> The Hubbard "don't show off your OT powers" rule....
Chuck,
Can you provide a reference for this supposed "order", "policy",
"rule" or statement: "don't show off your OT powers" Hubbard is
supposed to have issued ?
I've been looking, but I've been able to find nothing to support your
claim that such a policy was ever issued.
Does anyone have any direct knowledge or evidence to indicate that
Hubbard ever stated this.
Putting the quote: "don't show off your OT powers" into Google brings
up nothing but this thread.
Jommy Cross
in msg <ee477f2f-b348-432e...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>.
>On Jul 3, 7:48=A0pm, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>> Hubbard orders....
>
>> This Hubbard policy...
>
>> The Hubbard "don't show off your OT powers" rule....
>
>Chuck,
>
>Can you provide a reference for this supposed "order", "policy",
>"rule" or statement: "don't show off your OT powers" Hubbard is
>supposed to have issued ?
>
>I've been looking, but I've been able to find nothing to support your
>claim that such a policy was ever issued.
>
>Does anyone have any direct knowledge or evidence to indicate that
>Hubbard ever stated this.
>
>Putting the quote: "don't show off your OT powers" into Google brings
>up nothing but this thread.
>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&fkt=3D&fsdt=3D4196&q=3D%22don%27t+sho=
w+off+yo
>ur+OT+powers%22&btnG=3DGoogle+Search
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[...]
So, again, as a final note on this chapter, let=92s not go upsetting
governments and putting on a show to 'prove' anything to Homo Sapiens for a=
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trying to get across this bridge. Let sleeping Sapiens snore in the bulk
for yet awhile.
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Incident zero: Ron trolled them
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thomas_...@hotmail.com
But I think I would classify that more as a friendly suggestion for
the sake of expedience, temporarily at that, and not any kind of
"order", "policy" or "rule".
He does, after all, qualify the statement. Twice: "...for a while...",
"...for yet awhile".
How long is "a while"?
Helpful. But I'm not sure these humorous musings in a 57 year old book
constitute any sort of current Church "policy" that anyone would
actually be obligated to follow under every circumstance.
Is there anything else ?