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 More options Nov 7, 9:22 am
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From: barbz <xenub...@netscape.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:22:09 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 9:22 am
Subject: To the Sea Org Kids
If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend.
Can you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your
fault? Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around,
away from the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to
return in a while.

Perhaps you know people who were thrown into the RPF. While you're out
and about, what are they doing right now?

Have you ever been prevented from going to berthing at night because
some task wasn't completed?

Have you ever been punished by being fed nothing but rice and beans?

Have you ever been denied the ability to visit with your family, or
prevented from spending holidays with them?

That's life in the Sea Org, isn't it! Perhaps you're resigned to it;
after all, you signed a lot of documents when you joined, agreeing to
place your life and your youth in the hands of CSI. Perhaps you feel
trapped and hopeless that your life will ever get any better. Well,
guess what!

SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!

Marc Headley was an executive at Golden Era Productions in Riverside
County. Located on 400 acres, this compound is surrounded by fences with
security spikes on the inside; clearly not meant to keep people out.
There, people are subjected to the same harsh treatment you've doubtless
seen in LA. It's even worse, though. There is literally nowhere to run,
it's out in the desert, miles from civilization.

Marc Headley made his run to escape on a dirt bike. He was run off the
road by security guards, rescued by police, and given an escort into
town to prevent him being recaptured by the guards.

Marc's wife, Claire, was coerced into having two abortions while in the
Sea Org. Maybe you know of someone that suffered the same thing. The Sea
Org does not want its members having kids.

Laura DeCrescenzo joined the Sea Org at age 12. This child worked long
hours, received little schooling, and her youth was spent working to
make money for Scientology. She was coerced into having an abortion at
age 16.

These people have something in common. They all worked long hours for
far less than minimum wage. They received no health insurance, and their
medical problems, if treated, were provided by public clinics and paid
for by taxpayers. They endured privation, abuse, and their every move
was controlled. They were completely dependent upon Scientology for
food, medical care and lodging. And Scientology failed them.

These people have one more thing in common. They left the Sea Org and
their lives of toil and abuse at slave wages, and they are suing.

They are suing for compensation for their years of hard work at well
under minimum wage.

They are suing for emotional distress, as well as the children they
might have had, aborted at the direction of Sea Org policy.

The papers you signed when you joined are not legal agreements. You
should be made aware of that. Those agreements which violate your civil
rights are unenforceable.You cannot be made to sign those rights away.
Those documents you signed will not hold up in court.

Perhaps you were told that, because you're a "religious worker," CSI
doesn't have to pay you minimum wage, and that your room and board
counts as part of your compensation. This is false. The courts have
determined in past cases that minimum wage must be paid, regardless of
the "religious" nature of the work. Slavery is illegal. Religions are
not exempt from labor laws. Any written agreements that violate these
laws are void. Okay? They are not legally binding!

YOU DID NOT SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY WHEN YOU JOINED THE SEA ORG!

You may have been told that you're a volunteer. However, Scientology's
own websites refers to Sea Org members as "employees." As such, they
have certain rights which may not be waived, given up, or ignored.

You should also be aware that documents signed under duress, that is,
under threat, are not legally binding.

People who join the Sea Org at a young age may find that, when they
leave, they have nothing. No education, no savings, no idea where to go
from there. The threat of "flipping burgers" is held as an example of
what life may hold outside the Sea Org and Scientology.

Yet, people who work in fast food restaurants work eight hour days. They
have days off that are truly theirs. They receive health insurance. They
are not subjected to punishment and abuse. They are not sec-checked.
Many people work these jobs to pay for college.

Marc and Claire Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo have one more thing in common.
They are suing CSI for compensation. Slave wages, abuse, forced
abortions are illegal in this country. You simply cannot subject people
to this kind of totalitarian control, but Scientology has been getting
away with it for years.

If you're tired of living this way, you can leave. Just walk away and
don't look back. The exit process is designed to break you down and
convince you to stay. You don't have to route out. The contracts you
signed are not binding.

Marc Headley escaped on a motorcycle. Laura DeCrescenzo swallowed
bleach. You can just walk away. There are people on the outside who are
ready and willing to help.

Should you make the decision to leave, you can do that right now. Put
down the mouse and get to a phone. Call 1-866-XSEAORG. It is a toll-free
call. There is an ex-Sea Org member at the other end of the line,
someone who knows what you've been through.

Then call attorney Barry Van Sickle, who is handling these cases for the
Headleys and DeCrescenzo. His number is (916) 549-8784.

You don't have to work your life away so that David Miscavige can have
his thousand dollar suits and Ducati motorcycles. While you slave, he
lives in luxury. You know that is true. He is saving the planet, one
expensive luxury at a time, while you go without medical care and live
under horrible conditions.

It is time for CSI to pay back its loyal workers for the privation and
abuses they've suffered. These three people are only the beginning of a
flood of lawsuits.

Right now, Tommy Davis is visiting ex-Sea Org members, trying to get
them to sign statements declaring that they were volunteers. He is doing
this at DM's instruction; it is a desperate attempt to cover their asses
for years of truly horrendous treatment suffered by members who worked
hard in the belief that they were saving the planet.

You have the right to receive minimum wage for your labor. You have the
right to see your family, get married, have children. Nobody can take
that away from you, but you can give up these rights if you're not aware
of them. You have the right to a decent education, decent food, time
off. You have the right to work an eight hour day, and enough time for
sleep and personal business. You have the right to call your family and
receive mail without being monitored.

In a world where your every move is controlled and directed, you have
the right to make one decision. Walk away. You can leave, and there are
people who will help you find a place to stay and help you return to
normal society. With all its flaws, it isn't as bad as you've been told.
It's certainly better than what you endure now. You know those scary
masked protesters? If you were to run up to them and tell them you want
to leave, they will help you and protect you from the Sea Org personnel
who will try to force your return.

We don't wear masks to scare you. We wear masks to protect ourselves
from Scientology retribution. If we were the monsters Scientology claims
we are, why would we spend our free time fighting for your rights?
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.

Stephen Jones


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Discussion subject changed to "To the Sea Org Kids - STRANGER DANGER" by Gregory Hall
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 More options Nov 7, 1:31 pm
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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:31:56 -0500
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids - STRANGER DANGER
"barbz" <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:IofJm.7124$Xf2.80@newsfe12.iad...

> If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend. Can
> you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your fault?
> Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around, away from
> the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to return in a
> while.

<DELETED TO END>

STRANGER DANGER,  STRANGER DANGER,  STRANGER DANGER

Children, please delete posts from 'barbz.'  She's a bad person. Read about
her here:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...

--
Gregory Hall


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Discussion subject changed to "To the Sea Org Kids" by Tigger
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 More options Nov 7, 2:50 pm
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From: Tigger <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids

On Nov 7, 12:31 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:

Listen jerk,

Stop changing thread titles.

If there is anything that is not true in barbz' post, address it.
Otherwise stop being an asshole.   Anyone, even a child, can tell you
are an asshole.

Tigger

FIXING THREAD TITLE


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Discussion subject changed to "To the Sea Org Kids - STRANGER DANGER!!!" by Gregory Hall
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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:32 -0500
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids - STRANGER DANGER!!!
"Tigger" <Tiggerinthe...@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:6021cf41-1001-45cf-ae6b-7e1043965c78@j11g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...


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Discussion subject changed to "To the Sea Org Kids" by Peter Schilte
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From: Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:22:03 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 12:22 am
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
Dear children,
Please ignore the hateful messages from the man calling himself
"Gregory Hall".
He is not interested in you, he doesn't care about children.
He sees women as sex objects. So does he with your mothers.

Peter

http://www.scamofscientology.nl


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Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for 15 years!  
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From: "Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for 15 years!" <arnaldole...@lermanet.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:58:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 8:58 am
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
On Nov 7, 9:22 am, barbz <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
> If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend.
> Can you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your
> fault? Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around,
> away from the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to
> return in a while.

> Perhaps you know people who were thrown into the RPF. While you're out
> and about, what are they doing right now?

(snip)

Notice for those still in or recovering from the Scientology scam
Re: Scn Non Disclosure Agreements having never been enforced by a
court of law.

Florida's Sunshine Laws prohibit concealing a public hazard,
from Ralph Nader's book about Litigation "No Contest" page 96
emphasis mine:

"In 1990, Florida adopted an antisecrecy law, The Sunshine in
Litigation Act. The law prohibits courts from entering orders that
conceal a public hazard or information about a public hazard. The law
also makes any agreement to conceal a public hazard unenforceable and
allows the public or newsmedia to contest court orders or contracts
that conceal public hazards."

Based upon this, ANY of scientology's non disclosure, and secrecy
"contracts" signed in Florida are UNENFORCEABLE by law.

Tell your stories now, you know what it is that Scientology doesn't
want you to reveal.

Don't carry that soul wasting, toxic blackness inside you any longer,
get rid of it, the law is on your side.

Do it NOW

Sincerely

Arnie Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON

-----------------------------------------------------------------

From Blacks Law Dictionary:

Fraud:

An intentional perversion of the truth for the purpose of inducing
another in reliance upon it to part with some valuable thing or to
surrender a legal right; a false representation of a matter of fact,
whether by words ot conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by
concealment of that which should have been disclosed, which deceives
and is intended to deceive another so that he shall act upon it to his
legal inquiry; anything calculated to deceive, whether by a single act
or combination, or by suppression of truth, or suggestion of what is
false, whether it be by direct falsehood or innuendo, by speech or
silence, word of mouth, or look or gesture; fraud comprises all acts,
omissions, and concealments involving a branch of legal or equitable
duty and resulting in damage to another.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

In his book Complicity: Ethics and Law for a Collective Age,
Christopher Kutz suggests that ‘marginally effective participants in a
collective harm are accountable for the victim’s suffering, not
because of the individual differences they make, but because their
intentional participation in a collective endeavour directly links
them to the consequences of that endeavour.’


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From: barbz <xenub...@netscape.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:14:15 -0800
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:14 am
Subject: To the Sea Org Kids
Have you ever looked around you while walking around Los Angeles? Do you
ever notice other kids your age, driving cars, shopping for clothes,
enjoying a meal on a restaurant patio?

Some of them are devoted to saving the world, and dedicate some of their
time to saving the environment, being politically active, adopting
causes. But children, these kids aren't spending 99% of their time
running on the Hamster Wheel to Toadle Freedom!

Youth is a time of discovery. Parties with friends, a day at the beach,
your first car, dating, and learning what the real world is all about.

Have you ever been to the mountains or the desert? Or, is your time
spent within the Scientology reality bubble?

Do the names Miscavige or Wiseman sound familiar to you? How about
Woodcraft? He was the architect who redesigned the Freewinds. Bruce
Wiseman is the president of CCHR. And I don't think I have to tell you
who Miscavige is. So, here are the stories of growing up in Scientology
by their daughters and neices. Why are they speaking out? Because they
all realise it's the right thing to do. Perhaps you can benefit from
the stories from Scientology's "royal" families. Maybe you have a story
you'd like to add.

http://www.exscientologykids.com/index.html

Voices In Unison, stories from people just like you who made the choice,
took the final step, and escaped for good.
http://www.exscientologykids.com/voicesinunison.html

Perhaps these stories may remind you of what your life is like now.

So much of what Scientology is teaching you is not true. If you're
reading this, it's possible that you, yourself have nagging doubts, but
you keep them to yourself, don't you? Because you know what will happen
if you dare to share them with a confidant...kr reports, Ethics, the RPF.

Kids, out in the real world, we have the right to speak out about things
we feel aren't "right." Real communication means sharing your thoughts
with others, and getting their input. I have met many ex-Scientologists.
They are, like you, often intelligent people who misplaced their trust.

One thing I think is interesting is, they all harbored these doubts. So,
if there are things about the Sea Org that bother you, be assured that
the people around you are also harboring doubts about Scientology, yet
none of you dare to mention them for fear of reprisal.

This isn't freedom! The gate to the Auschwitz concentration camp had a
message to the prisoners on it; 'Arbeit macht frei,' work makes you
free. The Nazis twisted these words around, being in a concentration
camp doing slave labor isn't freedom!

Don't believe me? Hear this message to you from a guy who spent 10 years
in the Sea Org:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html

You are at a time in your life when you should be getting your first car
and exploring the world around you. Like the song says, 'Nobody walks in
L.A."

You should be playing at the beach. You should have your first job, and
be earning your own money for toys like Ipods, computers, video games.
You should have a dog. You should have real friends, who like you for
who you are, friendship not dependant upon membership in a group.

Saving the world is a noble endeavor. But Scientology is a mock-up; the
organization isn't really working in that direction. Deep down inside,
you probably know this, but you don't want to know. Your youth is being
stolen. Many members, when they finally leave, are in their 20s and 30s.
You can never get the time back when you are free to explore the world.
You'll be spit out as an adult into the real world, with no skills, no
connections, no friends. It's harder as you get older.

Right now, there's still time to go to school and learn to do something
you enjoy. Making money is only part of life, but it does grease the
wheels. If you start now, you can take your life back, and still get in
on some of the youthful fun you're entitled to enjoy.

I know, you wouldn't know what to do if you packed up your small
belongings and walked out, never to return. You don't know where to go,
or who to trust. Los Angeles is a big city.

However, there is a big network of people who would be happy to help
you! Magoo, myself, Arnie, Warrior, Dr. Dave Touretzky, we can all be
contacted thru email.

If you're fed up with your life in the Sea Org and Scientology, you can
find help. Some of you, like Magoo, have invested their whole lives
inside Scientology, and you know that, if you leave, you will lose all
your friends and, some of you, your families as well.

That's no different than a drug addict who decides to clean up. They
have to give up their old friends and their old life, too. But, people
do it all the time. It's not impossible.

And here's a funny thing. Ex-members are connecting up with some of
their old, dear friends on the other side of the veil! Sometimes you
just have to wait until they "wake up" too, and leave the organization.

If you stay in, Scientology will use you up. There is no retirement home
for elderly Scientologists. There is no pension plan. When you quit
producing, that's it! You will find yourself on a street corner,
clutching a garbage bag of possessions, with nowhere to go, no Social
Security (such as it is) and few options. You know this is true! An old
person with few skills is doomed to taking crappy jobs for minimum wage,
living in a crappy little apartment somewhere. But, think about it.

They've got their own place, which they don't have to share. Nobody is
going to drink the last milk in their fridge, or eat the last Ho-Ho out
of the cupboard. They can have a television if they wish. They can call
their friends whenever they want. They don't need permission to go out
of town.

It's better when you're young enough to create a decent life for
yourself. Think about it! If you want to cut class, you can, although a
responsible person would realize that they're going to school for a
reason. Having your own car means you can take a drive up Mt. Wilson to
see the snow whenever you want. You don't need anyone's permission to do
anything. That's Total Freedom, kids! Being responsible enough to pilot
your own life, not relying on somebody else telling you what to do,
being free enough to hit the beach on a sunny day when you feel like it.

Taking up hang gliding, riding motorcycles, exploring the boundaries of
your own ability. You should, at this point in your life, be driving
your own bus. Don't you want to?

Surf's up! The fish are biting! The sun is out (well, not today) and you
should be outside, expanding your mind, learning new things, meeting new
friends. You should be driving your own bus. Don't you want to?

One other thing. There are people on this newsgroup whose job it is to
confuse and instill mistrust. They pose as critics of Scientology, but
it's just a Scientology op. All the off-topic posts about eevil psychs,
same thing, a Scientology op to disrupt communication here.

Odd behavior for a group that claims to be committed to communicating,
isn't it?

Road Runner, Truth Seeker, Lily Fired, Space Traveler (aka Roadrunner)
Barbara Schwarz, are all Scientologists trying to break the flow of
communication about Scientology and its abuses. Some pose as critics.
However, they will never recommend critical websites, trying to convince
you that the critical sites are somehow Scientology related OSA ops.

Truth Seeker is known for referring readers to a series of essays,
written by OSA, which purport to be critical.

http://www.xenu.net is one site he won't recommend.
http://www.lermanet.com is another.
The creator of lermanet.com is Arnie Lerma, ex-SO member, who almost
married one of Hubbard's daughters! You can trust him. He has helped
many people get their lives back.

For those of you who are disconnected from friends and family, here is a
brand new website set up for people in your situation:
http://www.reconnect.org/

Beware of the sock puppets who say everyone here is OSA. I'm not. On my
hate pages at religiousfreedomwatch.com/extremists, the first thing on
that page is, "Barbara Graham has never been a Scientologist, never had
relatives who were in, etc."

Look at those pages. If a person is listed as a "religious extremist,"
it means they are on Scientology's "enemies list."

Did you ever wonder why a "church" has an enemy's list?
----------------------------------------------
And now, an added note from someone who has been where you are now:
"Rockyslammer's" message to you;

I came into scientology when I was 17 years old - I left when I was 35
years old.  I had to start my life anew.  I had to work extra hard to
make up for 18 years of not earning.  Everything people normally do
much younger.  I vowed to give my kids a better start than I made for
myself.

My daughter was born into scientology.  We left when she was quite
young.  She did her schooling and then went to university.  She studied
sound and TV production and has just graduated.  She is working her
first job.  She is a female DJ and obviously heavily into music.  She
teaches kids to DJ.  She has travelled to many countries and has just
learnt to surf.  She has been riding horses since she was 6 years old
and has had three horses/ponies.  At the moment she is learning
dressage.  She has boyfriends, a car, a flat of her own and she can talk
to ANYONE she wants.  And she does - because she is very outgoing.

She is better at communication than me - an OT!  I love her to bits as
I do her younger brother.  I am a very proud dad!!

My son is nine and he has great fun playing "Crazy Frog" on a his
little guitar.  He is really very good.  What is even more amazing is
that he is really hooked on Beethoven's "Flur Elise" - gosh what is the
modern generation coming to?  He also loves to boogy board and snorkel.

  His school is right on the beach and he swims every day in summer.
Unfortunately he is also addicted to his computer games.  Damn!

You know something kids?  My
...

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Discussion subject changed to "To the Sea Org Kids -- STRANGER DANGER!!" by Gregory Hall
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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:16:20 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids -- STRANGER DANGER!!
"barbz" <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:ZmAJm.7703$de6.4355@newsfe21.iad...

> Have you ever looked around you while walking around Los Angeles? Do you
> ever notice other kids your age, driving cars, shopping for clothes,
> enjoying a meal on a restaurant patio?

SNIPPED STRANGER DANGER. 'Barbz' is a bad person.

Children, please delete posts from 'barbz.'  She's no good. Read about
her here:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...

Gross, huh?

--
Gregory Hall


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From: Django <djange...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:57:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 11:57 am
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
On Nov 8, 11:16 am, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:

> Children, please delete posts from 'barbz.'  She's no good.

No need to fear Barbz, kids. She has your best interests at heart. Her
weekly "To The Sea Org Kids" posts are a valuable public service. Read
her whole post, and, if you're in the Sea Org, take some time to think
about her words.

Religious Freedom Watch is a Scientology-run site, attempting to
foment lies about honest Scientology critics like Barbara Graham.
Follow the link above, and give it a look; it's actually pretty
transparent, what they're trying to do. Make up your own mind.

Also do a search and read some of Gregory Hall's, ummm, wisdom. It's
pretty transparent where he's coming from as well. He usually follows
Barb's "Sea Org" posts with this "Stranger Danger" nonsense, for
whatever reason (Mom made him the wrong sandwich, or that woman next
door pointed the Mace can at him again....).


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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:42:41 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids -- STRANGER DANGER!!!
"Django" <djange...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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<snip>

Barbz is STRANGER DANGER. Don't listen to a word she says. She's scum. Read
about her crimes here:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...

--
Gregory Hall


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From: Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:44:40 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend.
Can you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your
fault? Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around,
away from the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to
return in a while.

Perhaps you know people who were thrown into the RPF. While you're out
and about, what are they doing right now?

Have you ever been prevented from going to berthing at night because
some task wasn't completed?

Have you ever been punished by being fed nothing but rice and beans?

Have you ever been denied the ability to visit with your family, or
prevented from spending holidays with them?

That's life in the Sea Org, isn't it! Perhaps you're resigned to it;
after all, you signed a lot of documents when you joined, agreeing to
place your life and your youth in the hands of CSI. Perhaps you feel
trapped and hopeless that your life will ever get any better. Well,
guess what!

SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!

Marc Headley was an executive at Golden Era Productions in Riverside
County. Located on 400 acres, this compound is surrounded by fences
with
security spikes on the inside; clearly not meant to keep people out.
There, people are subjected to the same harsh treatment you've
doubtless
seen in LA. It's even worse, though. There is literally nowhere to
run,
it's out in the desert, miles from civilization.

Marc Headley made his run to escape on a dirt bike. He was run off the
road by security guards, rescued by police, and given an escort into
town to prevent him being recaptured by the guards.

Marc's wife, Claire, was coerced into having two abortions while in
the
Sea Org. Maybe you know of someone that suffered the same thing. The
Sea
Org does not want its members having kids.

Laura DeCrescenzo joined the Sea Org at age 12. This child worked long
hours, received little schooling, and her youth was spent working to
make money for Scientology. She was coerced into having an abortion at
age 16.

These people have something in common. They all worked long hours for
far less than minimum wage. They received no health insurance, and
their
medical problems, if treated, were provided by public clinics and paid
for by taxpayers. They endured privation, abuse, and their every move
was controlled. They were completely dependent upon Scientology for
food, medical care and lodging. And Scientology failed them.

These people have one more thing in common. They left the Sea Org and
their lives of toil and abuse at slave wages, and they are suing.

They are suing for compensation for their years of hard work at well
under minimum wage.

They are suing for emotional distress, as well as the children they
might have had, aborted at the direction of Sea Org policy.

The papers you signed when you joined are not legal agreements. You
should be made aware of that. Those agreements which violate your
civil
rights are unenforceable.You cannot be made to sign those rights away.
Those documents you signed will not hold up in court.

Perhaps you were told that, because you're a "religious worker," CSI
doesn't have to pay you minimum wage, and that your room and board
counts as part of your compensation. This is false. The courts have
determined in past cases that minimum wage must be paid, regardless of
the "religious" nature of the work. Slavery is illegal. Religions are
not exempt from labor laws. Any written agreements that violate these
laws are void. Okay? They are not legally binding!

YOU DID NOT SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY WHEN YOU JOINED THE SEA ORG!

You may have been told that you're a volunteer. However, Scientology's
own websites refers to Sea Org members as "employees." As such, they
have certain rights which may not be waived, given up, or ignored.

You should also be aware that documents signed under duress, that is,
under threat, are not legally binding.

People who join the Sea Org at a young age may find that, when they
leave, they have nothing. No education, no savings, no idea where to
go
from there. The threat of "flipping burgers" is held as an example of
what life may hold outside the Sea Org and Scientology.

Yet, people who work in fast food restaurants work eight hour days.
They
have days off that are truly theirs. They receive health insurance.
They
are not subjected to punishment and abuse. They are not sec-checked.
Many people work these jobs to pay for college.

Marc and Claire Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo have one more thing in
common.
They are suing CSI for compensation. Slave wages, abuse, forced
abortions are illegal in this country. You simply cannot subject
people
to this kind of totalitarian control, but Scientology has been getting
away with it for years.

If you're tired of living this way, you can leave. Just walk away and
don't look back. The exit process is designed to break you down and
convince you to stay. You don't have to route out. The contracts you
signed are not binding.

Marc Headley escaped on a motorcycle. Laura DeCrescenzo swallowed
bleach. You can just walk away. There are people on the outside who
are
ready and willing to help.

Should you make the decision to leave, you can do that right now. Put
down the mouse and get to a phone. Call 1-866-XSEAORG. It is a toll-
free
call. There is an ex-Sea Org member at the other end of the line,
someone who knows what you've been through.

Then call attorney Barry Van Sickle, who is handling these cases for
the
Headleys and DeCrescenzo. His number is (916) 549-8784.

You don't have to work your life away so that David Miscavige can have
his thousand dollar suits and Ducati motorcycles. While you slave, he
lives in luxury. You know that is true. He is saving the planet, one
expensive luxury at a time, while you go without medical care and live
under horrible conditions.

It is time for CSI to pay back its loyal workers for the privation and
abuses they've suffered. These three people are only the beginning of
a
flood of lawsuits.

Right now, Tommy Davis is visiting ex-Sea Org members, trying to get
them to sign statements declaring that they were volunteers. He is
doing
this at DM's instruction; it is a desperate attempt to cover their
asses
for years of truly horrendous treatment suffered by members who worked
hard in the belief that they were saving the planet.

You have the right to receive minimum wage for your labor. You have
the
right to see your family, get married, have children. Nobody can take
that away from you, but you can give up these rights if you're not
aware
of them. You have the right to a decent education, decent food, time
off. You have the right to work an eight hour day, and enough time for
sleep and personal business. You have the right to call your family
and
receive mail without being monitored.

In a world where your every move is controlled and directed, you have
the right to make one decision. Walk away. You can leave, and there
are
people who will help you find a place to stay and help you return to
normal society. With all its flaws, it isn't as bad as you've been
told.
It's certainly better than what you endure now. You know those scary
masked protesters? If you were to run up to them and tell them you
want
to leave, they will help you and protect you from the Sea Org
personnel
who will try to force your return.

We don't wear masks to scare you. We wear masks to protect ourselves
from Scientology retribution. If we were the monsters Scientology
claims
we are, why would we spend our free time fighting for your rights?
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.

Stephen Jones


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From: Django <djange...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:55:46 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
On Nov 8, 12:42 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:

> "Django" <djange...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> <snip>

Snip away, Greggie. You're outed. The info on you is all over the net,
and can't be recalled.

You claim you can delete usenet posts. Go ahead. Delete mine.

You're a ridiculous, fraudulent little pussy, and we're laughing at
you...


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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:19:34 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids--STRANGER DANGER!!!!
"Peter Schilte" <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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STRANGER DANGER--STRANGER DANGER--STANGER DANGER.

Children, don't listen to Barbz or anybody who supports her.

She is a bad person and those who support her are just as bad.

Here she is:

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/barbar...

Pretty creepy, huh?

--
Gregory Hall


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From: slobeck <polymorp...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:22:42 -0800
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 1:22 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
your posts sometimes make me woinder if you're OSA.  RFW is a
scientology run smear site to silence and intimidate critics with its
Fair Game policy.

period.

Greg, If you're a Scientologist, I guess I understand you're just doing
your thing. But if you're not, and you keep talking up evengelical
Christianity so I've always assumed that that was your world-view, why
are you doing the cult's work for them?  It's not like they pay people
well, but you should be on the cult payroll what with all the work you
do on their behalf to smear its critics.

Knock it off.

-slø


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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:41:51 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids -- STRANGER DANGER!!! Barbz is STRANGER DANGER!!!
"slobeck" <polymorp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:2009110810224216807-polymorphic@earthlinknet...

I find Barbara Graham's solicitation of Scientology children way out of
bounds. No sane person would actively attempt to cyber kidnap any child from
their parents. It's sick. It's disgusting and it's despicable. It tells me
the woman is very dangerous and represents a very real danger to society.
She needs to be in jail.

Those of you who support her perverse solicitations of minors are almost as
bad. Your only saving grace is your ignorance of how abhorrent her acts
really are. Think how you would feel if some creep lured a child or yours
away from you - for whatever reason. I don't know about you but I would make
it my mission in life to ensure that my child was the LAST child the creep
ever lured away from anybody.

As for Scientology, the more I learn of it the worse it seems. But, as long
as Scientology is recognized as a religion, I will support the right of
people who wish to join Scientology to do so. I am no hypocrite like the
rest of you. I don't deny the Constitutionally guaranteed right to worship
the religion of one's choice even if I disagree with what they teach.

--
Gregory Hall


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From: Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:19:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids

If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend.
Can you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your
fault? Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around,
away from the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to
return in a while.

Perhaps you know people who were thrown into the RPF. While you're out
and about, what are they doing right now?

Have you ever been prevented from going to berthing at night because
some task wasn't completed?

Have you ever been punished by being fed nothing but rice and beans?

Have you ever been denied the ability to visit with your family, or
prevented from spending holidays with them?

That's life in the Sea Org, isn't it! Perhaps you're resigned to it;
after all, you signed a lot of documents when you joined, agreeing to
place your life and your youth in the hands of CSI. Perhaps you feel
trapped and hopeless that your life will ever get any better. Well,
guess what!

SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!

Marc Headley was an executive at Golden Era Productions in Riverside
County. Located on 400 acres, this compound is surrounded by fences
with
security spikes on the inside; clearly not meant to keep people out.
There, people are subjected to the same harsh treatment you've
doubtless
seen in LA. It's even worse, though. There is literally nowhere to
run,
it's out in the desert, miles from civilization.

Marc Headley made his run to escape on a dirt bike. He was run off the
road by security guards, rescued by police, and given an escort into
town to prevent him being recaptured by the guards.

Marc's wife, Claire, was coerced into having two abortions while in
the
Sea Org. Maybe you know of someone that suffered the same thing. The
Sea
Org does not want its members having kids.

Laura DeCrescenzo joined the Sea Org at age 12. This child worked long
hours, received little schooling, and her youth was spent working to
make money for Scientology. She was coerced into having an abortion at
age 16.

These people have something in common. They all worked long hours for
far less than minimum wage. They received no health insurance, and
their
medical problems, if treated, were provided by public clinics and paid
for by taxpayers. They endured privation, abuse, and their every move
was controlled. They were completely dependent upon Scientology for
food, medical care and lodging. And Scientology failed them.

These people have one more thing in common. They left the Sea Org and
their lives of toil and abuse at slave wages, and they are suing.

They are suing for compensation for their years of hard work at well
under minimum wage.

They are suing for emotional distress, as well as the children they
might have had, aborted at the direction of Sea Org policy.

The papers you signed when you joined are not legal agreements. You
should be made aware of that. Those agreements which violate your
civil
rights are unenforceable.You cannot be made to sign those rights away.
Those documents you signed will not hold up in court.

Perhaps you were told that, because you're a "religious worker," CSI
doesn't have to pay you minimum wage, and that your room and board
counts as part of your compensation. This is false. The courts have
determined in past cases that minimum wage must be paid, regardless of
the "religious" nature of the work. Slavery is illegal. Religions are
not exempt from labor laws. Any written agreements that violate these
laws are void. Okay? They are not legally binding!

YOU DID NOT SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY WHEN YOU JOINED THE SEA ORG!

You may have been told that you're a volunteer. However, Scientology's
own websites refers to Sea Org members as "employees." As such, they
have certain rights which may not be waived, given up, or ignored.

You should also be aware that documents signed under duress, that is,
under threat, are not legally binding.

People who join the Sea Org at a young age may find that, when they
leave, they have nothing. No education, no savings, no idea where to
go
from there. The threat of "flipping burgers" is held as an example of
what life may hold outside the Sea Org and Scientology.

Yet, people who work in fast food restaurants work eight hour days.
They
have days off that are truly theirs. They receive health insurance.
They
are not subjected to punishment and abuse. They are not sec-checked.
Many people work these jobs to pay for college.

Marc and Claire Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo have one more thing in
common.
They are suing CSI for compensation. Slave wages, abuse, forced
abortions are illegal in this country. You simply cannot subject
people
to this kind of totalitarian control, but Scientology has been getting
away with it for years.

If you're tired of living this way, you can leave. Just walk away and
don't look back. The exit process is designed to break you down and
convince you to stay. You don't have to route out. The contracts you
signed are not binding.

Marc Headley escaped on a motorcycle. Laura DeCrescenzo swallowed
bleach. You can just walk away. There are people on the outside who
are
ready and willing to help.

Should you make the decision to leave, you can do that right now. Put
down the mouse and get to a phone. Call 1-866-XSEAORG. It is a toll-
free
call. There is an ex-Sea Org member at the other end of the line,
someone who knows what you've been through.

Then call attorney Barry Van Sickle, who is handling these cases for
the
Headleys and DeCrescenzo. His number is (916) 549-8784.

You don't have to work your life away so that David Miscavige can have
his thousand dollar suits and Ducati motorcycles. While you slave, he
lives in luxury. You know that is true. He is saving the planet, one
expensive luxury at a time, while you go without medical care and live
under horrible conditions.

It is time for CSI to pay back its loyal workers for the privation and
abuses they've suffered. These three people are only the beginning of
a
flood of lawsuits.

Right now, Tommy Davis is visiting ex-Sea Org members, trying to get
them to sign statements declaring that they were volunteers. He is
doing
this at DM's instruction; it is a desperate attempt to cover their
asses
for years of truly horrendous treatment suffered by members who worked
hard in the belief that they were saving the planet.

You have the right to receive minimum wage for your labor. You have
the
right to see your family, get married, have children. Nobody can take
that away from you, but you can give up these rights if you're not
aware
of them. You have the right to a decent education, decent food, time
off. You have the right to work an eight hour day, and enough time for
sleep and personal business. You have the right to call your family
and
receive mail without being monitored.

In a world where your every move is controlled and directed, you have
the right to make one decision. Walk away. You can leave, and there
are
people who will help you find a place to stay and help you return to
normal society. With all its flaws, it isn't as bad as you've been
told.
It's certainly better than what you endure now. You know those scary
masked protesters? If you were to run up to them and tell them you
want
to leave, they will help you and protect you from the Sea Org
personnel
who will try to force your return.

We don't wear masks to scare you. We wear masks to protect ourselves
from Scientology retribution. If we were the monsters Scientology
claims
we are, why would we spend our free time fighting for your rights?
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.

Stephen Jones


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From: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:25:31 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids - STRANGER DANGER!!!!
"Peter Schilte" <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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<snipped Barbz's attempted kidnapping of Scientology Children>

<snipped Peter Schilte's repeating it - I guess he'd kidnap children too.>

--
Gregory Hall


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From: Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:54:10 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: To the Sea Org Kids
If you're reading this, you obviously were allowed libs this weekend.
Can you recall a time when you were denied, even though it wasn't your
fault? Perhaps right now, you are happy enough to be roaming around,
away from the control of the Sea Org. But, you know you'll have to
return in a while.

Perhaps you know people who were thrown into the RPF. While you're out
and about, what are they doing right now?

Have you ever been prevented from going to berthing at night because
some task wasn't completed?

Have you ever been punished by being fed nothing but rice and beans?

Have you ever been denied the ability to visit with your family, or
prevented from spending holidays with them?

That's life in the Sea Org, isn't it! Perhaps you're resigned to it;
after all, you signed a lot of documents when you joined, agreeing to
place your life and your youth in the hands of CSI. Perhaps you feel
trapped and hopeless that your life will ever get any better. Well,
guess what!

SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT!

Marc Headley was an executive at Golden Era Productions in Riverside
County. Located on 400 acres, this compound is surrounded by fences
with
security spikes on the inside; clearly not meant to keep people out.
There, people are subjected to the same harsh treatment you've
doubtless
seen in LA. It's even worse, though. There is literally nowhere to
run,
it's out in the desert, miles from civilization.

Marc Headley made his run to escape on a dirt bike. He was run off the
road by security guards, rescued by police, and given an escort into
town to prevent him being recaptured by the guards.

Marc's wife, Claire, was coerced into having two abortions while in
the
Sea Org. Maybe you know of someone that suffered the same thing. The
Sea
Org does not want its members having kids.

Laura DeCrescenzo joined the Sea Org at age 12. This child worked long
hours, received little schooling, and her youth was spent working to
make money for Scientology. She was coerced into having an abortion at
age 16.

These people have something in common. They all worked long hours for
far less than minimum wage. They received no health insurance, and
their
medical problems, if treated, were provided by public clinics and paid
for by taxpayers. They endured privation, abuse, and their every move
was controlled. They were completely dependent upon Scientology for
food, medical care and lodging. And Scientology failed them.

These people have one more thing in common. They left the Sea Org and
their lives of toil and abuse at slave wages, and they are suing.

They are suing for compensation for their years of hard work at well
under minimum wage.

They are suing for emotional distress, as well as the children they
might have had, aborted at the direction of Sea Org policy.

The papers you signed when you joined are not legal agreements. You
should be made aware of that. Those agreements which violate your
civil
rights are unenforceable.You cannot be made to sign those rights away.
Those documents you signed will not hold up in court.

Perhaps you were told that, because you're a "religious worker," CSI
doesn't have to pay you minimum wage, and that your room and board
counts as part of your compensation. This is false. The courts have
determined in past cases that minimum wage must be paid, regardless of
the "religious" nature of the work. Slavery is illegal. Religions are
not exempt from labor laws. Any written agreements that violate these
laws are void. Okay? They are not legally binding!

YOU DID NOT SIGN YOUR RIGHTS AWAY WHEN YOU JOINED THE SEA ORG!

You may have been told that you're a volunteer. However, Scientology's
own websites refers to Sea Org members as "employees." As such, they
have certain rights which may not be waived, given up, or ignored.

You should also be aware that documents signed under duress, that is,
under threat, are not legally binding.

People who join the Sea Org at a young age may find that, when they
leave, they have nothing. No education, no savings, no idea where to
go
from there. The threat of "flipping burgers" is held as an example of
what life may hold outside the Sea Org and Scientology.

Yet, people who work in fast food restaurants work eight hour days.
They
have days off that are truly theirs. They receive health insurance.
They
are not subjected to punishment and abuse. They are not sec-checked.
Many people work these jobs to pay for college.

Marc and Claire Headley, Laura DeCrescenzo have one more thing in
common.
They are suing CSI for compensation. Slave wages, abuse, forced
abortions are illegal in this country. You simply cannot subject
people
to this kind of totalitarian control, but Scientology has been getting
away with it for years.

If you're tired of living this way, you can leave. Just walk away and
don't look back. The exit process is designed to break you down and
convince you to stay. You don't have to route out. The contracts you
signed are not binding.

Marc Headley escaped on a motorcycle. Laura DeCrescenzo swallowed
bleach. You can just walk away. There are people on the outside who
are
ready and willing to help.

Should you make the decision to leave, you can do that right now. Put
down the mouse and get to a phone. Call 1-866-XSEAORG. It is a toll-
free
call. There is an ex-Sea Org member at the other end of the line,
someone who knows what you've been through.

Then call attorney Barry Van Sickle, who is handling these cases for
the
Headleys and DeCrescenzo. His number is (916) 549-8784.

You don't have to work your life away so that David Miscavige can have
his thousand dollar suits and Ducati motorcycles. While you slave, he
lives in luxury. You know that is true. He is saving the planet, one
expensive luxury at a time, while you go without medical care and live
under horrible conditions.

It is time for CSI to pay back its loyal workers for the privation and
abuses they've suffered. These three people are only the beginning of
a
flood of lawsuits.

Right now, Tommy Davis is visiting ex-Sea Org members, trying to get
them to sign statements declaring that they were volunteers. He is
doing
this at DM's instruction; it is a desperate attempt to cover their
asses
for years of truly horrendous treatment suffered by members who worked
hard in the belief that they were saving the planet.

You have the right to receive minimum wage for your labor. You have
the
right to see your family, get married, have children. Nobody can take
that away from you, but you can give up these rights if you're not
aware
of them. You have the right to a decent education, decent food, time
off. You have the right to work an eight hour day, and enough time for
sleep and personal business. You have the right to call your family
and
receive mail without being monitored.

In a world where your every move is controlled and directed, you have
the right to make one decision. Walk away. You can leave, and there
are
people who will help you find a place to stay and help you return to
normal society. With all its flaws, it isn't as bad as you've been
told.
It's certainly better than what you endure now. You know those scary
masked protesters? If you were to run up to them and tell them you
want
to leave, they will help you and protect you from the Sea Org
personnel
who will try to force your return.

We don't wear masks to scare you. We wear masks to protect ourselves
from Scientology retribution. If we were the monsters Scientology
claims
we are, why would we spend our free time fighting for your rights?
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.

Stephen Jones


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