I say in there: "Recently but also in the past people having been attempting to expose some identity. Gerry Armstrong was the first to make a move. He got no where, and so he left ..."
> >You wrote: > >"But most importantly, please provide your own personal experience. > >What posts have you been on during what years? What do you know about > >the "Suppressive Person" doctrine?"
> >I responded: > >"I don't think it will suit any purpose to tell about that without > >directly relating it to matters discussed. Anyhow I have been involved > >with many missions (longterm establishment projects actually), have > >been posted in CMO and various HCO's (Flag & LA). I do not intend to > >disclose personal details, I prefer to keep my anonimity for personal > >reasons." > >(somewhere on this page: > >http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775...)
> >So what does: "What posts have you been on during what years?" > >actually mean?
> In this context, it was a logical question in the "communication" or > "conversation" that *you* claimed you wanted.
I agree, it could be, that's an option.
But further on in the very same post you write: "Please identify all your posts in the cult, when and where you held each, and what training and processing you did when and where."
Well Gerry? [end quote]
I am still waiting for your reaction, dear old boy....
>I say in there: >"Recently but also in the past people having been attempting to expose >some identity. Gerry Armstrong was the first to make a move. He got no >where, and so he left ..."
>I only want to reiterate the following from that:
>[start quote] >> >You wrote: >> >"But most importantly, please provide your own personal experience. >> >What posts have you been on during what years? What do you know about >> >the "Suppressive Person" doctrine?"
>> >I responded: >> >"I don't think it will suit any purpose to tell about that without >> >directly relating it to matters discussed. Anyhow I have been involved >> >with many missions (longterm establishment projects actually), have >> >been posted in CMO and various HCO's (Flag & LA). I do not intend to >> >disclose personal details, I prefer to keep my anonimity for personal >> >reasons." >> >(somewhere on this page: >> >http://groups.google.se/groups?hlsv&lr&selmŸ53d1e2.0407131802.775ca...@posting.google.com&rnum4)
>> >So what does: "What posts have you been on during what years?" >> >actually mean?
>> In this context, it was a logical question in the "communication" or >> "conversation" that *you* claimed you wanted.
>I agree, it could be, that's an option.
>But further on in the very same post you write: >"Please identify all your posts in the cult, when and where you held >each, and what training and processing you did when and where."
If your long term partner objects, warn her once.
>Well Gerry? >[end quote]
>I am still waiting for your reaction, dear old boy....
Why do you ask if it makes you annoyed to be still waiting for their reaction?
-- Lady Chatterly
"Without a doubt she(?) is intelligent. The smugness in her comments seems to comes from a need for self praise. She likely wants to avoid the hook of interaction and it seems her punish/reward system is a bit fucked up (she's too sensitive and it seems acknowledged). She is usually the most unprovocative. She is most likely educated in a non-typical feminist fashion (this is a big complement). She usually goes out of her way not to offend. She adds no value to the group (what I thought was intentional distance until the last few posts)." -- Leone
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On 27 Nov 2004, spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote:
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“Affirmations/Admissions”
Making Light of Black PR, Part 7, The Admissions of L. Ron Hubbard. 03/11/2000 03/11/2000
Making Light of Black PR, Part 7, The Admissions of L. Ron Hubbard.
This is my contribution to the celebrations and protests on the occasion of the birthday of L. Ron Hubbard in 2000.
Not all that long ago, someone sent me a copy of the set of writings which follow, written by L. Ron Hubbard in or about 1947. The original of these writings was in Hubbard's personal archive which I assembled and worked with in 1980 and 1981. I provided the writings to Omar Garrison, a wog ® writer with whom $cientology had contracted to write Hubbard's "authorized biography." In 1984 I read portions of them into the record at my trial in $cientology v. Armstrong, Los Angeles Superior Court, Case No. C 420153. The trial resulted in the widely cited decision by Judge Paul G. Breckenridge, Jr. wherein he described Hubbard as a "pathological liar." (URL?)
Omar first called these writings Hubbard's "Affirmations." Later, after it dawned on him that Hubbard was a stupendous liar, Omar said he was correcting himself, and thereafter called the writings the "Admissions." I believe that Omar was right, and that these writings are "Affirmations," but more importantly, "Admissions."
I will not now provide anything really of my own analysis or conclusions about Hubbard's Admissions, because I want every $cientologist or wog ® who reads them to be free, or with negligible influence, to think about them for himself. I will comment below, for legal reasons, on *why* I am posting the Admissions. I have my own experiences, naturally, with these writings, I have drawn my own conclusions about them, and I expect I will participate in a discussion or two they may generate.
I don't know who in this recent period sent me the copy from which I typed that follows. In any event I would not divulge the identity of the person because of the clear and senseless threat of attack from the people who now run $cientology. It is sufficient for legal purposes to state that the copy I received was not made by me. By the time the Admissions are posted to the internet, I will have, pursuant to the wishes of the person who made it, destroyed the copy I received.
I will also immediately wipe the Admissions from my hard drive. Thus the people who run $cientology will have less reason or justification to raid me or break into my house or computer than they have to raid or break into the house or computer of a million other people.
The Admissions I received are not complete. Perhaps when the kind person who sent me the copy sees they have been posted he will send the rest of the writings. My recollection is that the remainder of the Admissions do not diverge from the substance, direction or tone of what I'm posting here. Included in the remainder is, I think, a deeper delve into Hubbard's sexual anxieties or aberrations, following the same vein he mined in the part I received. What I received, for example, doesn't include Hubbard's startling admission, "It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The lot of women is to be fornicated."
I am posting the Admissions for all of the reasons stated in my declaration of January 26, 1997, specifically in paragraphs 57 - 65, which I recently posted to a.r.s.:
From: armstr...@dowco.com (Gerry Armstrong) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Making Light of Black PR, Part 2, January 26, 1997 Armstrong Declaration for RTC v. Ward. Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:12:59 GMT Message-ID: <38c3687e.235039...@news.dowco.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: tch1c192.chw.dowco.com X-Trace: 6 Mar 2000 00:14:19 -0800, tch1c192.chw.dowco.com Lines: 1276 Path: news.vphos.net!tch1c192.chw.dowco.com Xref: ares.vphos.net alt.religion.scientology:1212275
In that declaration I provided my expert opinion that the exposing or dissemination of $cientology's "sacred scriptures," which exposure or dissemination the organization prohibits, suppresses and punishes by commercial, secular copyright and trademark law and millions upon millions of simoleons to lawyer scumbags, is justified by the greater principle of religious freedom. I stated that publication of $cientology's "secret scriptures" is in my opinion Constitutionally protected religious expression.
Hubbard's Admissions are quite obviously a part of $cientology's "scriptures. On the holiness scale ®, they are holier than the holiest of the Advanced Technology scriptures, because the people who run $cientology won't show them to $cientologists even if they have a half million dollars to pay and agree to the organization implant. Although the Admissions are the holiest of $cientology's scriptures, the Miscavige regime withholds them for the identical commercial, secular, base and criminal reasons they withhold the "OT" "Levels," the "NOT$," and the whereabouts of Xenu's mountain cave.
$cientology has set no prerequisites or punishments that I'm aware of for $cientologists reading Hubbard's Admissions, and for that at least I'm grateful. I believe that the Admissions should be read by every $cientologist at whatever point they find themselves on the bridge. $cientologists won't get pneumonia. They might have some good cognitions. ® They might become free.
The Admissions were very important to me in my getting free of the web of lies Hubbard and $cientology had spun, and getting free of their domination and suppression. I am posting these writings now with the prayer that they help to free other $cientologists from Hubbard's and Miscavige's lies, domination and suppression. If Hubbard has been humbled and regained his willfully lost humanity, I know he too would want every $cientologist to read all his Admissions.
Obviously I don't have any desire to profit monetarily by posting Hubbard's unpublished Admissions. My desire is that these writings help everyone, $cientologist and wog ®, to make informed and better choices about L. Ron Hubbard and $cientology. I was not freed by being a $cientologist, doing $cientology, and having all the experiences, cognitions and trappings of $cientology. I was freed by reading what $cientologists don't get to read, by being what no $cientologist would be, a wog ®, by doing what no $cientologist would do, and having my own experiences, cognitions and stuff. I share Hubbard's Admissions with everyone because God Who created knowledge does not want anyone to be kept ignorant.
I stated in the Jan 26, 1997 declaration that the people $cientology identified as violating the organization's copyrights and sued - Grady Ward, Lawrence Wollersheim, Keith Henson, Dennis Erlich, Arnie Lerma, Bob Penny -- were in general agreement that $cientology is not a sincere, and hence real, religion, but is a criminal cult engaged in harmful practices. I also stated that if these people are correct in their assessment, and if they did expose or publish $cientology's "secret" documents, they were and are completely justified in having done so.
Repeating what I wrote in the Jan 26, 1997 declaration, "In my opinion this kind of expression is an expected, logical response to Scientology's efforts to corrupt the meaning of religion in order to "sanctify" its antisocial and dangerous mind set and criminal activities. It is expression which cannot legally be prohibited or punished by judicial process." I agree completely that $cientology, that is, $cientology as directed by David Miscavige and his regime, is not a sincere, real religion, but a criminal cult engaged in harmful practices.
I could, quite clearly, have posted the Admissions anonymously. I gave it serious consideration, because while I believe these writings, for the peace and health and spirit of so many people, should be posted immediately, I wanted to do what be effective and not the stupid end of martyrdom. I decided against anonymity, however, for a number of reasons. I believe that by U.$., Canadian and international law, and common sense, I am permitted to publish these writings openly. I believe that by common decency, by human and civil rights codes, by being a Prophet to $cientologists (Pt$), and by God Himself, I am urged, in fact directed, to post these writings and post them openly.
I am also posting the Admissions openly to confirm their authenticity. The copy I received was not clear in places, and it is now gone. All words, spellings, punctuation and notations are Hubbard's, except for brackets [] which are mine. I pray that DM makes the complete original of the Admissions available for $cientologists around the world. Indeed I pray that he reveals every hidden piece of Hubbard's writings, and yes, even his own secret documents, to all $cientologists and interested wogs ®. Robert Vaughn Young and Stacy Brooks at least have read the Admissions and will be able to confirm that what follows here is, within reasonable parameters, authentic. I was very careful, but if there are any errors at all in what I have posted of the Hubbard Admissions, I urge DM to have them corrected.
Posting the Admissions, I believe, lessens the threat of harm or murder to silence me, but it ups the revenge factor ®. The person who sent me the copy emphatically doesn't want any trouble. Good Lord, I don't want any trouble, and I'm the guy who typed this copy and will now post it using my own name to a.r.s. The person who sent the copy certainly knew that I would recognize the writings and I'd like to think wanted me to do with
On 27 Nov 2004 17:04:04 -0800, spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com
(Spacetraveler) wrote: > In an earlier post of mine it appears that I made dear old Gerry to > say the least feel uncomfortable. So, what was that all about?
Why did Scientology fabricator and head madman create the "Fair Game" policy that mandated and still mandates harassment and abuse towards Scientology customers and others? Why did he later tell his customers and staff to stop using the phrase "Fair Game" but continue the criminal and abusive policy? Why did Hubbard write that "niggers" are on Earth ("Teegeeack" to you Scientology customers) only to do hard physical labor?
"It has been a tragedy for all the families that have lost members. As many as 100,000 people have died, half of them women and children. If that is not a war crime, what is?" --- Stephen Hawking, astrophysicist
"In the more or less two hundred Exorcisms I've done, by far the majority are possessing dead humans. Ghosts with bad behaviour. Every once in a while, I'll run into a 'Being of Darkness', and then that can be a REAL spooky situation!" --- Lani Stucker This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/
On 2004-11-29, Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. Also it > is not his regular email address in the headers. So, what is this all > about?
> Not even addressing issues.
> Someone playing tricks?
> Spacetraveler
There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep them apart.
Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. > > Also it is not his regular email address in the headers. > > So, what is this all about?
> > Not even addressing issues.
> > Someone playing tricks?
> > Spacetraveler Rasta Robert wrote: > There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', > they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep > them apart.
> Rasta Robert > --//->
Every tactic any ARS Maggot tried against me has failed, so they had to start impersonating me.
Their purpose: To destroy Faxhor. Their reason: They dont like the spotlight I wield.
Any Faxhor postings not from fax...@hotmail.com are impersonations from an unoriginal and unobjective dupe who's reputation probably has already been destroyed by their own actions in the past.
What is important is the string of Fax...@hotmail.com posts which are permanently archived in google. To find them enter "author:fax...@hotmail.com" in a google search. Or click you can this link: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=author%3Afax...@hotmail.com
Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, so don't expect to see too many more postings from fax...@hotmail.com.
In former days, Armstrong hatched a plot to seize the Church's assets in collaboration with the Los Angeles IRS Criminal Investigation Division.
When the Church discovered this, its attorneys obtained permission from a Los Angeles police officer to conduct an investigation into Armstrong's plans. The investigation caught Armstrong on videotape stating that he intended to forge and then plant incriminating documents on Church premises, to be discovered in a subsequent raid. When challenged on how he would obtain proof of the allegations he intended to make, he responded that: "We don't have to prove a goddam thing. We don't have to prove shit. We just have to allege it."
> Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. > > > Also it is not his regular email address in the headers. > > > So, what is this all about?
> > > Not even addressing issues.
> > > Someone playing tricks?
> > > Spacetraveler
> Rasta Robert wrote: > > There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', > > they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep > > them apart.
> > Rasta Robert > > --//->
> Every tactic any ARS Maggot tried against me has failed, > so they had to start impersonating me.
> Their purpose: To destroy Faxhor. > Their reason: They dont like the spotlight I wield.
> Any Faxhor postings not from fax...@hotmail.com are > impersonations from an unoriginal and unobjective dupe > who's reputation probably has already been destroyed > by their own actions in the past.
> What is important is the string of Fax...@hotmail.com posts > which are permanently archived in google. To find them enter > "author:fax...@hotmail.com" in a google search. > Or click you can this link: > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=author%3Afax...@hotmail.com
> Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. > My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right > after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, > so don't expect to see too many more postings from > fax...@hotmail.com.
I wouldn't worry too much Faxwhore; any anonymous poster from a hotmail account really has little 'reputation' to worry about.
Your 'timetable' is interesting though. Why tied to the election? Of course, whether you 'self-destruct' now or later really doesn't matter, and yes, we realize that soon the Faxwhore of today will be replaced by some other anonymous drone with a different label; just like you replaced the Trough Slurper of yesteryear.
I'm not sure why you're so interested in your 'collected work', since the sum total of your 'research' is a single-minded reference to religiousfreedomwatch, which is at the very least a strange research method, even it if is marginally more legitimate than Hubbard's own patented 'pull it out of my ass'.
Zinj -- You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVe_ThIs.invalid> wrote in message <news:slrncqm5s5.qea.rr@localhost.localdomain>... > On 2004-11-29, Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. Also it > > is not his regular email address in the headers. So, what is this all > > about?
> > Not even addressing issues.
> > Someone playing tricks?
> > Spacetraveler
> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', > they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep > them apart.
I expected that, how low can someone sink I wonder....
> Rasta Robert wrote: >> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep >> them apart.
> Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. > My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right > after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, > so don't expect to see too many more postings from > fax...@hotmail.com.
One thing that I was wanting to ask you as the original Faxhor... Before you 'self-destruct' the handle 'Faxhor' you are posting with, would you mind telling what the idea behind that name is, what its meaning is, or the reason you chose that nickname to post with?
On 29 Nov 2004, fax...@hotmail.com (CRIMINAL MAGGOT) wrote:
>Every tactic any wonderful ARS critic tried against me has failed, so they >had to start impersonating me.
The disgusting thought of anybody wanting to impersonate a CRIMINAL MAGGOT could only come from a CRIMINAL MAGGOT.
>Their purpose: To destroy Faxhor.
Our purpose: To toy with a maggot.
>Their reason: They dont like the spotlight I wield.
Our reason: The spirit of games. We like to play.
>Any Faxhor postings not from fax...@hotmail.com are >impersonations from an unoriginal and unobjective dupe >who's reputation probably has already been destroyed >by their own actions in the past.
The ravings of fax...@hotmail.com speak for themselves. They always do. Be glad you're not an indoctrinated Scientologist.
>What is important is the string of "Faxhor" posts which are permanently >archived in google. To find them enter "author:faxhor" in a google search.
Sound advice.
>Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. >My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right >after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, >so don't expect to see too many more postings from >fax...@hotmail.com.
Expect to see what we want you to see. The Church of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs' fax...@hotmail.com account has been an inspiration to us all. You will not be forgotten.
>Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVe_ThIs.invalid> wrote in message ><news:slrncqm5s5.qea.rr@localhost.localdomain>... >> On 2004-11-29, Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. Also it >> > is not his regular email address in the headers. So, what is this all >> > about?
>> > Not even addressing issues.
>> > Someone playing tricks?
>> > Spacetraveler
>> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep >> them apart.
>I expected that, how low can someone sink I wonder....
>Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler, the criminal maggot fax...@hotmail.com's OSA buddy. Keep working. You've got more sinking to do before you're done.
> Rasta Robert <r...@dds.nl.ReMoVe_ThIs.invalid> wrote in message <news:slrncqm5s5.qea.rr@localhost.localdomain>... >> On 2004-11-29, Spacetraveler <spacetraveler2...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Well, signed by Faxhor, but not resembling his usual posting. Also it >> > is not his regular email address in the headers. So, what is this all >> > about?
>> > Not even addressing issues.
>> > Someone playing tricks?
>> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep >> them apart.
> I expected that, how low can someone sink I wonder....
To a large extent, I think things look the way someone looks at them. You look through the viewpoint of rising high versus sinking low, or 'advancing on the bridge' versus 'the dwindling spiral'... I can see such things as an opportunity to learn about the importance of paying attention to details and being prepared that things not always turn out to be how they appear on a first casual look.
> On 2004-11-29, Faxhor <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rasta Robert wrote: > >> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', > >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep > >> them apart.
> > Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. > > My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right > > after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, > > so don't expect to see too many more postings from > > fax...@hotmail.com.
> One thing that I was wanting to ask you as the original Faxhor... > Before you 'self-destruct' the handle 'Faxhor' you are > posting with, would you mind telling what the idea > behind that name is, what its meaning is, or the reason > you chose that nickname to post with?
Faxhor is not very responsive to questions. Recently I asked him about the military service he referred to in this post:
---- From: fax...@yahoo.com (Faxhor) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.dear.whitehouse,alt.military.retired,alt.politics.bush,u s.taxes Subject: Re: USA - love it or leave it Date: 10 May 2004 14:05:42 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <197c7921.0405101305.d34be9c@posting.google.com> References: <c779l3$c4b$4@nnrp.atgi.net> <524db79f.0405090520.7e683...@posting.google.com> <Fyqnc.133$dr1.26...@news20.bellglobal.com> <197c7921.0405091306.777b...@posting.google.com> <w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.232.38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1084223142 18079 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2004 21:05:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:05:42 +0000 (UTC)
"ronin" <ro...@ree.tv> wrote in message <news:w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no>... > Easy to say when you're safe in your trailer park. > When are you enlisting, loser?
I attended West Point and was in the military for 30 years. Now I am retired, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
> > On 2004-11-29, Faxhor <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Rasta Robert wrote: > > >> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', > > >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep > > >> them apart.
> > > Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. > > > My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right > > > after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, > > > so don't expect to see too many more postings from > > > fax...@hotmail.com.
> > One thing that I was wanting to ask you as the original Faxhor... > > Before you 'self-destruct' the handle 'Faxhor' you are > > posting with, would you mind telling what the idea > > behind that name is, what its meaning is, or the reason > > you chose that nickname to post with?
> Faxhor is not very responsive to questions. Recently I asked him > about the military service he referred to in this post:
> ---- > From: fax...@yahoo.com (Faxhor) > Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.dear.whitehouse,alt.military.retired,alt.politics.bush,u s.taxes > Subject: Re: USA - love it or leave it > Date: 10 May 2004 14:05:42 -0700 > Organization: http://groups.google.com > Lines: 10 > Message-ID: <197c7921.0405101305.d34b...@posting.google.com> > References: <c779l3$c4...@nnrp.atgi.net> > <524db79f.0405090520.7e683...@posting.google.com> > <Fyqnc.133$dr1.26...@news20.bellglobal.com> > <197c7921.0405091306.777b...@posting.google.com> <w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.232.38 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Trace: posting.google.com 1084223142 18079 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2004 > 21:05:42 GMT) > X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com > NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:05:42 +0000 (UTC)
> "ronin" <ro...@ree.tv> wrote in message <news:w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no>... > > Easy to say when you're safe in your trailer park. > > When are you enlisting, loser?
> I attended West Point and was in the military for 30 years. > Now I am retired, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
> Faxhor > ----
> but he never replied.
> regards
> Howard
You forgot to address him as General Faxwhore Sir.. (or is it commode door?)
Zinj -- You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:24:47 +0000, Howard <m...@privacy.net> wrote: >Rasta Robert wrote:
>> On 2004-11-29, Faxhor <fax...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Rasta Robert wrote: >> >> There are several persons using the nickname/handle 'Faxhor', >> >> they use different e-mail addresses, that's how you can keep >> >> them apart.
>> > Since the beginning, I planned to "self-destruct" Faxhor. >> > My original timetable was to stop posting as Faxhor right >> > after the election. It has almost been a month overdue, >> > so don't expect to see too many more postings from >> > fax...@hotmail.com.
>> One thing that I was wanting to ask you as the original Faxhor... >> Before you 'self-destruct' the handle 'Faxhor' you are >> posting with, would you mind telling what the idea >> behind that name is, what its meaning is, or the reason >> you chose that nickname to post with?
>Faxhor is not very responsive to questions. Recently I asked him >about the military service he referred to in this post:
>---- >From: fax...@yahoo.com (Faxhor) >Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.dear.whitehouse,alt.military.retired,alt.politics.bush,u s.taxes >Subject: Re: USA - love it or leave it >Date: 10 May 2004 14:05:42 -0700 >Organization: http://groups.google.com >Lines: 10 >Message-ID: <197c7921.0405101305.d34b...@posting.google.com> >References: <c779l3$c4...@nnrp.atgi.net> ><524db79f.0405090520.7e683...@posting.google.com> ><Fyqnc.133$dr1.26...@news20.bellglobal.com> ><197c7921.0405091306.777b...@posting.google.com> <w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.215.232.38 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1084223142 18079 127.0.0.1 (10 May 2004 >21:05:42 GMT) >X-Complaints-To: groups-ab...@google.com >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:05:42 +0000 (UTC)
>"ronin" <ro...@ree.tv> wrote in message <news:w1Bnc.432032$Ig.411174@pd7tw2no>... >> Easy to say when you're safe in your trailer park. >> When are you enlisting, loser?
>I attended West Point and was in the military for 30 years. >Now I am retired, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>Faxhor >----
>but he never replied.
I had posted on this, but I got this part wrong.
An officer can stay in the army (implied from West Point) for 30 years, but he has to make pay grade O-6 (Colonel) or higher to do it. (Pay grade O-5, Lt. Colonels can only stay to 28 years.)
So if Faxhor was telling the truth here, he retired least a Colonel.
As I said:
"But it is not consistent with having been in scientology. Not long after the GO 11 got caught, the military got rid of all the scientologist they could identify as serious security risks. Joe Harrington got bounced out of the Coast Guard this way (IIRC)."
Assuming he retire about 2000 plus or minus a bit, that would have him being commissioned in 1970 plus or minus a few years. The GO 11 thing started in 1977.
"Several years later I got squeezed between the criminal activities in the GO and the investigation by the FBI and the Coast Guard. I was in the Coast Guard in an Intelligence job. The FBI and the Coast Guard thought I was a GO plant and the GO thought I was a govt plant. They BOTH declared me persona non-grata. I was involuntary discharged from the Coast Guard and the Flag GO declared me a "security risk" and banned me from any further services or elgibility for staff. :-)"
I had not remembered that Joe had been in an Intelligence job.
"I've previously indicated in public, and to you in private, that while I remained in good standing, I was not active in any church activities from 1979 to 1989, following my involuntary discharge from the Coast Guard because of my religious affiliation with the CofS."
That puts a date on it. It might be that Joe's getting the boot was because of his Intelligence job rather than just being in the cult. Anyone know if officers were generally being kicked out because of cult involvement in the late 70s?
Of course, the possibility exist for Faxhor to have joined CoS even after he retired. That might be the more likely scenarios because starting to spout cult nonsense (which a cult members can hardly contain) is surely going to be noticed and reported in an officer. I don't think it would take long for him to be kicked out as unfit.
Also, if Faxhor *is* for real and a scientologist, he can't be very far out on the pier to total insanity.
>> I definitely remember when your thetan, Faxhor, >I dont have a thetan because I am not a slave master nor >a prison warden.
"slave master" from looking at Google is a relatively unusual term on ars. "prison warden" even more so. Why either would have anything to do with having or not having a thetan is beyond me.
>> You were sitting in an odd high backed chair >> across a desk from this "tax agent." He had >> just opened a thick file about you >Actually the "tax agent" isnt a real tax agent and just a >nazi in disguise.
Shades of BS.
>> when I walked up behind you and stuck a large needle >Henson is a sneaky PSYCH! Heh! Very funny. >> (about 18 gage by current standards) through a hole in the >> chair and into your neck. I injected about half a liter of >> 50/50 alcohol and glycol. >Big deal. >Henson's trying to use Black Scientology on me. Lol. >Whatever, Henson should go find a weak being to experiment on, >because such attempted attacks on me only cause my connection >to the supreme being to surge beyond Henson's imagination.
"my connection to the supreme being" does not sound to me like scientology at any level, high or low. Any comments from the ex scientologists would be appreciated.
I have a few connections in Washington to people with high level military connections. I might for my own amusement see if they could figure out just what Colonel or General "Faxhor" is about. I would hold off if Faxhor were to ask in private email though.
It is all rather bizarre and probably a lot more work than verifying that wanlorn was what he said he was.
Keith Henson (hkhen...@rogers.com) wrote: > I have a few connections in Washington to people with high > level military connections. I might for my own amusement see > if they could figure out just what Colonel or General "Faxhor" > is about. I would hold off if Faxhor were to ask in private > email though.
LOL. "For his own amusement," Keith "A FUGITIVE FROM THE U.S. LAW" has a misunderstanding. Find a definition for O4. That is oh 4, not zero 4.
I am one of those with high level military connections. You can contact me about "Col." or "Gen." Faxhor. There is no such person, except perhaps one of my ancestors.
Perhaps for "my own entertainment" I shall track down Keith Henson. Is there a bounty? If there is I'll donate 100% of it to the Church of Scientology.
Understanding Keith's connections will assist me in my search. Are they Al Qaeda connections in Washington? Or Nazi connections in Washington? Fairfax? :D
Keith has another misunderstanding. Find a definition for TR 0 Bullbait. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will dictate what or how I post. Besides, I have made it clear that I will remain anonymous.
> It is all rather bizarre and probably a lot more work than > verifying that wanlorn was what he said he was.
Keith get to work!!! It's not as "bizzaro" as an Extremist who is an "explosives expert." (see attachment.)
Keith Henson is an explosives expert and a convicted hate criminal. On July 19, 2000, he was arrested by the Riverside County, California, Sheriff's Office for making terrorist threats on the Internet against the Church of Scientology. On April 26, 2001, a jury found Henson guilty of having committed a hate crime under section 422.6 of the California Penal Code. http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/cal_code.html
Henson was scheduled to appear for sentencing on May 16, 2001, but failed to appear and the Judge was forced to issue a warrant for his arrest. He soon surfaced in Canada where he was arrested by Immigration authorities for having failed to disclose his conviction in the United States. Toronto police were not fooled by Henson's pretense of harmlessness: "We get notified by Scientology, we check, and he's an undesirable," Toronto Police Fugitive Squad Detective Phil Glavin said of Henson. "We look on the Internet, and he's a self-proclaimed bomb expert." Henson was released on bail in Canada pending a final disposition of his case and is restrained from coming within 100 feet of any Scientology Church.
Meanwhile, on July 20, 2001, the Riverside County Judge sentenced Keith Henson in absentia to one-year in county jail. As an alternative, the Judge ruled that Henson could accept a six-month jail term, three years probation, and pay a $2,000 fine. He would be restricted from going near the Church he had harassed and be subject to search for explosive devices. The Judge also stated that when Henson returns to the United States he will, in addition, face up to half a year in jail and a $1,000 fine, plus penalty assessments, for having failed to appear at the sentencing hearing on May 16, 2001. At this writing, Henson remains a fugitive from justice.
HATE THREATS ON THE INTERNET
Following are some samples of the threats Henson has made against the Church on an anti-religious newsgroup:
August 6, 1995 "That is why we are out to *break* the CoS [Church of Scientology]."
August 13 1995 In response to a posting in which an extremist wrote about Scientology "...I will see it in ruins,"
Henson wrote:
"Ahh, I love the smell of gunpowder drifting on the morning breeze. Keith Henson."
August 14, 1995 "PS, And thanks for being a punching bag. We, of course, are in training for a considerably larger event, and CoS [Church of Scientology] makes a nice expendable sparing [sic] partner."
April 20, 1997 "PPS Killing the organization off entirely is the best way to change the future of Scientology."
August 8, 1998 "From where I stand, the spread of my legal shotgun takes in [name of Church member] *and* the [Church] lawyers."
June 5, 2000 (IRC Chat Channel) Henson: "heh. see my posting on the Mt. view picket? brent and I kicked ass ..." "I am going to [church location] some time thiss [sic] week for several dasy [sic] picket till they starve. ..."
Henson: "... it is fairly safe but we don't have too long to do it they are growing trees which will make the road invisible from inside."
Lianna: "Keith: release some termites on their trees"
Henson: "agent orange lia"
July 4, 2000 "My only option to get back in the work force is to destroy scientology root and branch."
July 7, 2000
"barb wrote: ... GPS readings of Gold Base is a good start..."
"And a good topo map. The approach is clear from the south. Keith Henson"
July 10, 2000 "Modern weapons are accurate to a matter of a few tens of yards. The terminal guidence [sic] ones are good to single digits (Keith Henson)"
Henson's Expertise With Explosives The following postings evidence the extent of Henson's expertise and interest in explosives:
June 22, 1997 From: [name removed] Re: Keith Henson "Keith Henson, an explosives enthusiast since the early 1960's, was describing to us last night at a Silicon Valley party just how accurate the instructions were in the transcripts of the McVeigh trial, as the experts pointed out the steps needed to make the liquid explosive 'Astrolight' (or 'Astrolite'). Keith pointed out that most of the "lay" reports had repeated some of the usual lay errors about ammonium nitrate and fuel oil bombs, but that the full court transcript "got it right" on the conversion of the precursors to the more effective liquid form."
July 9, 2000 From: Keith Henson "If you are interested in large firecrackers, go ask how to make them in rec.pyrotechnics. Though, it is simple enough, cardboard tube, gunpowder, and fuse. You can make the tubes from rolled newspaper."
The following quote about Keith Henson is drawn from the book "Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition; Science Slightly Over The Edge" by Ed Regis. Henson was featured in this book as an individual who indulges in fringe sciences. The author also documents the extent of Henson's expertise with explosives.
"But he knew how to do it, of course, and so he took a two-hundred-pound lard can and put three pieces of primacord inside, looping them around so they completely covered the bottom. Then he poured the ammonium nitrate into the can, inserted sticks of dynamite all around the perimeter, and ran the primacord fuse up to a blasting cap on top of it all. The cap would fire the primacord, which in turn would set off the dynamite, which would crush the mass of ammonium nitrate until the necessary pressure was reached - a true implosion device, just like the atom bomb." Pg.50
Keith Henson's anti-Scientology Activities One of Henson's first postings to a Usenet anti-religious newsgroup is dated February 21, 1995. Since then Henson has posted thousands of hate messages to this group. Since February 1998 he has conducted hundreds of hate marches (he calls them "pickets") against various Scientology Churches and parishioners.
Henson plotted to have the Church's tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS yet, having failed to do so, subsequently sued the IRS on December 31, 1998. The suit was dismissed on August 30, 1999. Henson appealed it but the appeal was denied in late 2000.
On October 31, 1997 Keith Henson was placed under a permanent injunction in Los Angeles for his harassment and physically violent behavior toward a Scientology parishioner. On November 1 and 26, 1997, Henson was arrested in Los Angeles for violating the restraining order that had been issued against him.
Henson was also found to have infringed upon a Scientology copyright. Following is an excerpt of the final judgment issued on May 14, 1998, against Henson by United States District Judge Ronald M. Whyte:
"Upon the decision of the court entered on April 15, 1997 granting in part and denying in part plaintiff's motion for summary judgment and upon the unanimous verdict of the jury published on May 12, 1998, final judgment is hereby entered in favor of plaintiff Religious Technology Center and against defendant H. Keith Henson that said defendant willfully infringed plaintiff's copyrighted work known as NOTs 34, and that said defendant shall pay to plaintiff the sum $75,000 in statutory damages pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 504 (c). Defendant is also permanently enjoined from engaging in infringing activities as set forth in the court's permanent injunction dated June 16, 1997 and amended order on ex parte motion for emergency relief dated April 27, 1998."
On June 22, 1999, Henson was found in contempt of Court by United States District Judge Ronald M. Whyte, who ruled as follows:
"On June 22, 1999 this court issued its findings of fact and conclusions of law finding defendant in civil contempt and awarding $7,500 in attorney's fees. Therefore, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that H. Keith Henson is adjudged in civil contempt and shall pay plaintiff Religious Technology Center the sum of $7,500 towards its attorney's fees incurred."
Background Information
In 1982, as part of the divorce proceedings between Henson and then wife Carolyn Meinel, Carolyn filed a signed affidavit of her expenses
"By eliminating certain fears by hypnosis, curing my rheumatism and laying off hormones, I hope to restore my former libido. I must! By hypnosis I must be convinced as follows:
(l1) That these words and commands are like fire and will sear themselves into every corner of my being, making me happy and well and confident forever!"
Read more of L Ron Hubbard's "Affirmations/Admissions"
If any there were any proof of your dualistic theory.
>"By elim<SLAP><SLAP><SLAP>
I must.
>(l1) That these words and commands are like fire and will sear themselves >into every corner of my being, making me happy and well and confident >forever!"
Thus spaketh the kook, reminding us all, the bowels of juicenet are the wellspring from which floweth all knowledge.
>Read more of L Ron Hubbard's "Affirmations/Admissions"
Now, now. Nice Be. Gore afterall, invented the Internet. He said I know, dontcha know? And don't forget, to there * is * the algorithm.
>Available in pdf at:
Well, *that's* an incredibly brilliant observation...
> Now he's quit the DA's office (or otherwise his employment has ended), > he made a brief stab at a private practice, and then promptly departed fo Idaho, > where he now lists his contact address with the California Bar Association > as a P. O. Box in Boise.
> Robert Kim Schwarz > Membership Info > CA Bar Number 202293 > Current Status Active — explanation of "Active" status > CA Admission Date July 15, 1999 > District Outside California > County Non-California > Contact Info > Address P O Box 2013 > Boise, ID 83701 > Phone Number Not Available > Fax Number Not Available > e-mail Not Available > Education Info > Undergraduate School Texas Tech Univ; Lubbock TX USA > Law School Univ of Idaho COL; Moscow ID USA
> I suppose he might be practicing in Idaho, but it's unusual > to have nothing but a P. O. Box as a contact address for an > attorney.
> Name: Robert Kim Schwarz > Address: PO Box 2013, Boise, ID 83701 > Firm: > Phone: (909) 694-1163 Ext: > Fax: (909) 694-1163 > E-Mail Address: arkeus <at> yahoo.com > Website Address: > ISB Membership Number: 5789 > Admittance Date: 9/24/1998 > Current Status: Active
> (Changed email address to avoid spambaiting him even > though he's a complete schmuckazoid.)
On 2 Dec 2004 18:11:14 -0800, fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote:
>Keith Henson (hkhen...@rogers.com) wrote: >> I have a few connections in Washington to people with high >> level military connections. I might for my own amusement see >> if they could figure out just what Colonel or General "Faxhor" >> is about. I would hold off if Faxhor were to ask in private >> email though.
>LOL. "For his own amusement," Keith "A FUGITIVE FROM THE U.S. >LAW" has a misunderstanding. Find a definition for O4. That is >oh 4, not zero 4.
Oh 4 is Major. Not very impressive. My dad was reserves, not West Point and he made Lt. Col. by the time he had 18 years of service and retired at slightly over 20 years.
But I am interested in how you hung in there when the current rules for O-4 are thus:
"If eligible for retirement, retired after having twice failed of selection for promotion to the next higher grade, unless specially selected for continuation on active duty. If not eligible for retirement, continued on active duty if within two years of becoming eligible for retirement and retired when eligible; otherwise, discharged with entitlement to separation pay if eligible therefor, unless specially selected for continuation on active duty. An officer in pay grade O-4 who was selected for continuation could not be continued on active duty beyond completion of 24 years of active commissioned service unless promoted to the next higher grade; a similar officer in pay grade O-3 could not be continued beyond completion of 20 years of active commissioned service unless promoted to the next higher grade."
>I am one of those with high level military connections. You can >contact me about "Col." or "Gen." Faxhor. There is no such >person, except perhaps one of my ancestors.
>Perhaps for "my own entertainment" I shall track down Keith >Henson.
Start with Google. I don't know what happened, but the number of web hits on my name doubled in recent months. It is embarrassing to have more hits than Eric Drexler or Vernor Vinge. My address is in a dozen legal filings. To save you time I am here:
176 Henry St. #45 Brantford, ON N3S 5C8 Canada
519-770-0646 hm after 6 pm 519-774-1620 cell
>Is there a bounty? If there is I'll donate 100% of it >to the Church of Scientology.
The bounty *comes* from scientology. See the posted testimony of the Toronto officers quoting the now hard to find Robert K Schwarz. But the last people who collected a bounty on someone in Canada spent ten years in the local lockup after they were extradited from the US to face kidnapping charges.
>Understanding Keith's connections will assist me in my search. >Are they Al Qaeda connections in Washington? Or Nazi connections >in Washington? Fairfax? :D
I was not aware that any critics *or* scientologists knew about that business in Fairfax a few years ago. Unless you were making a lucky guess that puts an entirely new spin on this conversation, one that will interest important people.
>Keith has another misunderstanding. Find a definition for >TR 0 Bullbait.
You should look up TR Booger.
>Nothing, absolutely nothing, will dictate >what or how I post. Besides, I have made it clear that I >will remain anonymous.
If RS told RA to find you, it would happen in about 20 minutes.
>> It is all rather bizarre and probably a lot more work than >> verifying that wanlorn was what he said he was.
>Keith get to work!!! It's not as "bizzaro" as an Extremist >who is an "explosives expert." >(see attachment.)
I have (as you probably know) been extremely critical of the Rapture project. Perhaps I should not be.
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:20:39 GMT, hkhen...@rogers.com (Keith Henson) wrote: >On 2 Dec 2004 18:11:14 -0800, fax...@hotmail.com (Faxhor) wrote: >>Is there a bounty? If there is I'll donate 100% of it >>to the Church of Scientology. >The bounty *comes* from scientology. See the posted testimony of the >Toronto officers quoting the now hard to find Robert K Schwarz.
Now he's quit the DA's office (or otherwise his employment has ended), he made a brief stab at a private practice, and then promptly departed fo Idaho, where he now lists his contact address with the California Bar Association as a P. O. Box in Boise.
Robert Kim Schwarz Membership Info CA Bar Number 202293 Current Status Active — explanation of "Active" status CA Admission Date July 15, 1999 District Outside California County Non-California Contact Info Address P O Box 2013 Boise, ID 83701 Phone Number Not Available Fax Number Not Available e-mail Not Available Education Info Undergraduate School Texas Tech Univ; Lubbock TX USA Law School Univ of Idaho COL; Moscow ID USA
I suppose he might be practicing in Idaho, but it's unusual to have nothing but a P. O. Box as a contact address for an attorney.
Name: Robert Kim Schwarz Address: PO Box 2013, Boise, ID 83701 Firm: Phone: (909) 694-1163 Ext: Fax: (909) 694-1163 E-Mail Address: arkeus <at> yahoo.com Website Address: ISB Membership Number: 5789 Admittance Date: 9/24/1998 Current Status: Active
(Changed email address to avoid spambaiting him even though he's a complete schmuckazoid.)
>Which one is he? Left, centre or right? My guess is either left or right.
He's the one on the right cringing and ducking like he's a turtle trying to retract its head into its shell. One of the others is, I think, Tom Gage, and I forget who the other one is.
>>Which one is he? Left, centre or right? My guess is either left or right.
>He's the one on the right cringing and ducking like he's a turtle trying >to retract its head into its shell. One of the others is, I think, Tom Gage, >and I forget who the other one is.
Quoting from a June 14 2001 posting of mine:
"Left to right in the photograph is Jim Harr, Tony Greer and ducking like a mafia crime boss is Robert Schwarz. He actually held the box up to shield his face when he saw me with a camera."
Jim Harr was my lawyer, Tony Greer is the deputy sheriff who was forced by the DA's office to swear out a warrant against me. I met Tony originally when he was looking into the murder of Stacy Moxon Meyer.
I don't think I saw Tom Gage or his side kick Leonard Mandel after the case got dumped on Robert Schwarz.
Tom Gage was engaged in criminal conspiracy with Kendrick Moxon and possibly is boss Grover Trask. Eventually this will come out, sooner if he had the guts to sue me.