Exit Strategy
Gerry Armstrong
But if you're in, or about to go in, you need an exit strategy.
The good thing about Scientology is that it *can* be exited.
Life, God, Love, those sorts of things, can't be exited even by
killing yourself, or by killing every other living entity in the
universe, so an exit strategy isn't needed. That's not to say that a
will is not useful, but forget Life for the moment. You're left with
God and Love, which compose Life anyway.
But yes, have an exit strategy. And don't be afraid to die in its
execution. That should make obvious the need for depth in your
strategy.
I didn't have an exit strategy right up to the end, and in the end I
probably had more time to develop it than many before and after me
had. You have the time until you exit to develop an exit strategy from
the moment you know you need one. You do.
I suggest this simple 4-step program:
1. Think about all the reasons to exit. 2. Think about all the reasons
there could be to exit you haven't even thought about. 3. Develop an
exit strategy. 4. Exit.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Spacetraveler
"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
news:p8l4015n37i3vd62j...@4ax.com...
> You don't need an exit strategy if you don't get in.
Meaning you don't want peope to find out for themselves. What does this say
about you?
If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and walk
out, that's al. Exit strategy?
Spacetraveler
luz_...@latinmail.com
> If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and
walk
> out, that's al. Exit strategy?
Hey Spacetraveler. Lisa McPherson tried to walk out and was killed by
scientologists. An exit strategy is needed having scientology-psychos
around...
Spacetraveler
<luz_...@latinmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107450884.3...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Spacetraveler wrote:
> > If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and
> walk
> > out, that's al. Exit strategy?
>
> Hey Spacetraveler. Lisa McPherson tried to walk out and was killed by
> scientologists.
At gunshot, right?
> An exit strategy is needed having scientology-psychos
> around...
I walked out, just like that and NO ONE stopped me, NO ONE! I would not
have advised them to do so either...
Spacetraveler
Gerry Armstrong
<spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
>news:p8l4015n37i3vd62j...@4ax.com...
>> You don't need an exit strategy if you don't get in.
>
>Meaning you don't want peope to find out for themselves.
Oh stop your pretended stupidity. I mean exactly the opposite.
>What does this say about you?
No read. And remember, God is the LFBD F/N item for every properly
formulated listing question. F/N
So know what you're asking. F/N
>
>If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and walk
>out, that's al. Exit strategy?
Now this is a guy with no depth urging no depth.
You can be like this covert guy Spacetraveler, who pretends he's so
terrified he has to communicate even stupidity from in hiding using a
fake name. Or you can think about it and develop a real exit
strategy.
Notice this op is urging you to not find out for yourself if you need
an exit strategy. He's *telling* you to prevent you from finding out
for yourself.
Notice too that this op has never done the simple program I suggested.
This op wants to keep you ignorant.
Scientology requires the suppression of wisdom. That's all the reason
in the world a person needs to exit this cult. Be wise. Do the simple
4-step program. Develop an exit strategy.
>
>Spacetraveler
>
>
>>
>> But if you're in, or about to go in, you need an exit strategy.
>>
>> The good thing about Scientology is that it *can* be exited.
>>
>> Life, God, Love, those sorts of things, can't be exited even by
>> killing yourself, or by killing every other living entity in the
>> universe, so an exit strategy isn't needed. That's not to say that a
>> will is not useful, but forget Life for the moment. You're left with
>> God and Love, which compose Life anyway.
>>
>> But yes, have an exit strategy. And don't be afraid to die in its
>> execution. That should make obvious the need for depth in your
>> strategy.
>>
>> I didn't have an exit strategy right up to the end, and in the end I
>> probably had more time to develop it than many before and after me
>> had. You have the time until you exit to develop an exit strategy from
>> the moment you know you need one. You do.
>>
>> I suggest this simple 4-step program:
>>
>> 1. Think about all the reasons to exit. 2. Think about all the reasons
>> there could be to exit you haven't even thought about. 3. Develop an
>> exit strategy. 4. Exit.
>>
>> © Gerry Armstrong
>> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
>
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Magoo
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OCtMd.16285$d5.1...@newsb.telia.net...
We all have our stories. I walked out only to find the VP of C of S at the
airport, insisting "We know where you're going and you're NOT going".
When I finally got onto the plane (one hour later..with she following me the
whole way), OSA was in Chicago when I changed planes. Granted, they didn't
ever physically grab me, probably because I told them if they did I'd call
the police. (which was a HUGE leap for me, a loyal member for 30 years and
an OT 7...believe me). They were quite insistant, and when people first
leave, they're often in a very volital place.
Lastly, when I got off the plane in Tampa, FL at 1:45 in the a.m. there was
a mob of Scios and OSA, 3 cops Stacy and Bob had called, and Bob, Stacy and
Jesse Prince.
Just walk out, eh? For some...true.
For many, this is true.
However, we all have our stories, and Sea Org members, or people they for
whatever reason don't want to leave, need some sort of plan.
Lastly, before any exit plan is waking up. I suggest listening to talk
radio, music, reading many books of basic self improvement. All of these
helped me break out of the Scio/Truman show.
Tory/Magoo~
>
>
>
>
Magoo
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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powers: Real high powers....
aka: God. Scios will laugh at that, (Even though they lie continuously to
'wogs' saying they believe in God)........
and some critics will find that weird.
I know Andreas, even though he's an atheist, has always respected what I
believe to be true. That's quite refreshing, and helps expand my willingness
to look at other things.
Invalidating what people find great peace in is a very wrong way to help
anyone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Rev Norle Enturbulata
Lisa was PREVENTED from being able to leave, by a group of Scientologists
who signed her out of the hospital she sought shelter in. Then they took
her back to the Hotel Death/Harrison to pretend they knew what they were
doing - how could a Scientologist not know what they were doing? - and ended
up causing her death by dehydration and neglect. The place she was put in
was in such a state that the autopsy showed quite a number of cockroach
bites, not just the damage to her throat from the turkey baster
Scientologists put down her throat. Later the cult's lawyers argued for
some time and expense about whether cockroaches could bite.
And Davey "The wheezing dwarf" Miscabbage said, when asked by the media,
"She died. People die."
Scientologists are persuaded that it's "just a meat body" and that they'll
come back anyway. Lisa McPherson however had already figured out that the
whole thing is a crock of Hubbard's lies, and attempted to escape in a mad
panic. A psychotic panic caused by Scientology tenets and criminal
operation.
The Man Behind the Church: How Scientology Began
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056545.asp
Defending Against its Critics
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1055254.asp
What Scientologists Believe - and What Critics Say
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056579.asp
The Star Treatment
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1067682.asp
Addiction Specialists Criticize Detoxification Program
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1051251.asp
Scientology Tests' Purpose and Validity are Questioned
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1008269.asp
And, unlike Scientology in any published form, which is never allowed in the
cult to be thought of as less than PERFECT, the Buffalo News has published a
Corrections listing at
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1067437.asp .
Ever seen a "Corrections" listing in a Scientology tract?
Four-Part Series:
Enlightenment's Dark Side (1/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp
Being In, Breaking Out (2/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1060672.asp
Helping Spread the Word (3/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1064780.asp
Outside Critics are Unacceptable (4/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1064176.asp
Spacetraveler won't address any of these FACTUAL, VERIFIED, PUBLISHED NEWS
STORIES. This operative REFUSES TO EVALUATE DATA!
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*
"You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them."
- UK Review of Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening"
*
"Scientology is evil; its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to
the community medically, morally and socially; and its adherents sadly
deluded and often mentally ill."
- 1965 Report into Scientology by Australian Government
Spacetraveler
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:05:48 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
> <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> >news:p8l4015n37i3vd62j...@4ax.com...
> >> You don't need an exit strategy if you don't get in.
> >
> >Meaning you don't want peope to find out for themselves.
>
> Oh stop your pretended stupidity. I mean exactly the opposite.
The product of you actions is what decide that, nothing else. Meaning you
lost your argument.
>
> >What does this say about you?
>
> No read. And remember, God is the LFBD F/N item for every properly
> formulated listing question. F/N
>
> So know what you're asking. F/N
>
> >
> >If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and
walk
> >out, that's al. Exit strategy?
>
> Now this is a guy with no depth urging no depth.
>
> You can be like this covert guy Spacetraveler, who pretends he's so
> terrified he has to communicate even stupidity from in hiding using a
> fake name. Or you can think about it and develop a real exit
> strategy.
>
> Notice this op is urging you to not find out for yourself if you need
> an exit strategy. He's *telling* you to prevent you from finding out
> for yourself.
Well, that or you listen to this Miscavige op trying to pull your leg. He
just contradicts me to attempt you to make you do exactly what HE wants you
to do, or not do.
>
> Notice too that this op has never done the simple program I suggested.
> This op wants to keep you ignorant.
>
> Scientology requires the suppression of wisdom. That's all the reason
> in the world a person needs to exit this cult. Be wise. Do the simple
> 4-step program. Develop an exit strategy.
The story about Gerryoko, the Miscavige op:
The communication making him so uncomfortable:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.7
75cab17%40posting.google.com
You misunderstanding of 'criticism':
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407310557.7
03a51%40posting.google.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26q%3
D%2522The%2Bmisconception%2Bof%2BGerry%2BArmstron%2Babout%2B%27criticism%27%
2522%26btnG%3DS%25C3%25B6k%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.religion.scientology.*
Here he is exposed:
http://groups.google.se/groups?q=g:thl1073962928d&dq=&hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sel
m=9f53d1e2.0407281328.283929c2%40posting.google.com
And here the summum of Gerry's operating basis:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407300139.3
5377502%40posting.google.com
Judge for yourself.
Spacetraveler
Magoo
Are you waiting from Cramming to get the program to answer OSA chasing me
across the country, or will it be one more "Tory you're the only person who
thinks you're important". What a horseshit excuse that one is.
So, what do you have to say, Spaceboy? That is one of MANY stories where
Scientology worked quite hard to keep people "in". I remember Jesse Prince
telling me he left the RPF once with shotguns on DM. Believe it or not,
although he got away, they came and got him and it took more planning for
him to actually finally get free.
Why is it you're trying to black PR Gerry so, if it's soooo easy to just
leave?
Good question, huh?
Tory/Magoo~
Larry T.
It can be really easy for some people to just leave if the want to.
I did, I just said "Thank You" and walked out the door and came home. I
threw all their stuff in the garbage and I have not had any Scientology
anything in my house for years. AND MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, my family was very,
very happy I did, and not because they are crazy either. If anybody has
something to say about that, then that person has a lot of people to buck
heads with, not just me. Think of ALL the other people who were mislead by
the confusion of my situation that the church caused, that had to spend
their time and money compensating for what the church thinks is funny jokes?
Even some of my neighbors drew a conclusion from this move.
Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
Lermanet.com
Lermanet.com
All one has to do it get the scientologist to turn his attention away
from
L Ron Hubbard's dreck
Get him to raise his head,
and start looking around him.
of course, this is far easier said than done.
But all it takes is to prove, irrefutably that Scientology, and david
miscavige have LIED TO THE JUST ONCE...
At the instant you prove ONE LIE.. then they realize that maybe it was
ALL LIES...
More folks should have the guts to actually go to the coronors office
in San Luis Obispo
and ask for copy of Hubbard's death certificate, which PROVES he had
anti-psychotic "PSYCH" medications in his bloodstream... at the time of
death.
Some tips for breaking the TRANCE:
Tips for breaking the trance of a Scientologist
The following from email - and posted at the suggestion of the author:
If the Study Tech worked, how is it possible that long time auditors
who studied applying the Tech would need cramming on a continuous
basis?
If they actually did "clear all their misunderstood words" and did all
the patter drills, were double checked out etc, , why then did the tech
did not work?
The cramming action is the biggest proof that the Study Tech does not
work, because if it did work as it is being promoted, nobody would need
cramming...
If the tech worked... as it is promoted as a "working technology", then
no member would lose his business or get fired from work... I know
several active public members who have lost their business, were fired,
layoff, etc...
Were they PTS or it was the economy? You can not blame recession,
because it is always the persons fault, but it really happens all the
time.
If the tech worked... you would not see strange aberrations happening
all of the time amongst members of Scientolotgy.
If the tech worked... the divorce rate among the members of the group
would be low, not higher than in any other group in the world
If the scientologist private schools worked... you would not see
children dropping out of school, rejecting the idea of study to advance
in life, or being far and further behind in academics than the children
in the "wog" Public School System...
If the Teachers (Supervisors) are so good in these schools, why can any
person off the street who has no formal education be hired?
How can someone teach or supervise a child in a subject when he himself
does not know it?
How can a Supervisor teach Algebra to a child, if he himself does not
know it?
When a member is sick why is it blamed on the individual?
Have they never heard anything about Genetics, or the tendency of
illnesses that run in the family?
cwood suggested this brilliant idea.
Make a direct statement of fact about scientology. whatever facet of
it that outrages you that particular day.
Ask the borg member " Do you agree?'
He will say No, its all lies...
You say: Hubbard said the only reason a person disagrees with a
subject is due to a misunderstood word.
What word did you not understand?
this is not a rote patter as long as this gist is what gets across
This might demonstrate to the scientologist that word clearing is
used to quash disagreement.. period.
this is short simple and elegant
A 25 year member does his own research and find that the information on
the net is real!
See this new addition to this web site, A write up by another 25 year
member of scientology who was told that the information on the net "is
all lies" and he had the nerve to actually go out and get original
documents.. and he found that the docuemnts on the net and the ones he
found from public government files, were in fact the same , though he
did comment that his copies were better quality... Read Michael Tilse's
new write up HERE -
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tilse.htm
this is the best tool, written in scientology lingo, - if you can just
get the Scientologist to READ it.. good luck...
Whenever a scientologist says :
WHAT IS TRUE FOR YOU IS TRUE FOR YOU"
seize the moment and retort with the corollary of Hubbard's key
phrase that isolates them from reality ...
Then "WHAT IS NOT TRUE FOR YOU IS NOT TRUE FOR YOU?
This will short circuit that particular lock on his mind... thank you
to whoever told me about this.. Might have been Jeff Jacobean
>From "The Art of Deception" by Arnie Lerma
This is a long routine but seems to work ]
"Before one can attack a complete operating system for defining a
reality, you must realize that it is an operating system that includes
definitions of you and your efforts as being "all lies, paid for by
the evil psychiatrists" or just "nutballs" or "suppressive person" -
all forms designed to "make less of it", "it" being your efforts to
expose the truth, instead of Hubbard's fictional view of reality as
rendered by his PROGRAM running in the target's mind.
You see if the minds of Scientologists have been expertly programmed,
or, as some say, infected with the mind virus called Scientology, it
is very difficult to make them let go, as they know their program is
right because "auditing works" for them, at least that is an appearance
for them.
So I do this.
I explain how the "Bridge to Total Freedom" [TM] by 'Religious
Technology Center', claims to go to a state called OT, or Operating
Thetan. I point out how the old gradation charts used to state that at
OT level VIII one was "total cause over Matter Energy Space and Time",
I then point out to the fellow how *IF* there was just ONE OT... if
there was just one person who had a shadow of the super abilities that
Scientology makes its adherents dutifully toe the line for, in promise
of its realization, then "I WOULD NOT BE HERE".
I chant this at them:
"No OTs in Scientology, if there were just ONE OT, you would not be
listening to my voice right now"
They do not like this, as it reminds them that they are all there
waiting to achieve a promise, which, like the story about "The
Emperor's New Clothes", does not exist, except as part of the stage
magic show called Scientology.
I explain to the person some of what I have described herein
previously, with emphasis on how Dianetics tricks you into mocking up
something called the "reactive mind", and how the "E-meter may help to
induce a euphoric response to the expectations of the "Auditing
Experience" and that "There are NO OTs in Scientology".
(Note: OT's is pronounced OH TEAS)
And of course the target is rejecting all of this all along. But
that's ok, just depending on time, repeat these concepts gently as
long as time permits.
You are baiting a hook, to pull him out of the illusion.
After a while, when you intend to end off the conversation, tell the
fellow this:
"OK, so you don't feel you are the target of deceptions by Scientology
or Hubbard, or in any sort of trance, stage play or illusion, or
running any kind of mental program. right? {emphasis on 'right?')
He agrees.
"So how about this, lets make a little friendly wager, ok?"
He agrees.
"Here's the deal" [ then I state with emphasis, command style, with
'intention', very directly ].
"The next time you hear the words, 'Pick up the cans please, this is
the session' you will remember everything we discussed in this
conversation today".
Now the fellow has just denied all of your allegations, and agreed to
this wager... and you have commanded him, (he is after all running a
program) to recall this conversation at a very specific time, a time
in which Scientologists are at a heightened level of expectation - as
those words: "Pick up the cans, this is the session" commence every
auditing action with an E-meter!
And what will he have to deal with at the beginning of his next
auditing?
What fun! Turning the stage play against itself!
He will have to tell his auditor ALL ABOUT THIS.
And it gets repeated again!
And hopefully he notices.. Gee, that guy was right, I *AM* running a
program.
This is one technique I think might crack the mind armor that
Scientologists wear under the guise of "Thinking for yourself".
I don't know if it works, but the last two public Scientologists that
were assigned to keep me busy during a picket have yet to be seen
again!
And at the last picket, I was studiously ignored... "
(c) Arnaldo Lerma 1999 not-for-profit use encouraged
Now then of course there is this one:
NO OT's THERE.
repeat this chant a few times during a picket...
The say
THERE ARE NO OT'S in SCIENTOLOGY, IF THERE WAS ONE OT YOU WOULD NOT BE
HEARING MY WORDS"
The NO OT's THERE
It is also simple and makes people think...
the purpose is to generate a system error in the hubbardian control
programming - the blue screen of death from windows95/8....
This is the instant that the person will suspend belief long enough to
hear you....or look at the net web sites.
If Scientology starts yelling about de-programming.... use this one
from a father who wishes his son would get the hell out of the
cult now:
"Why would scientology ever object to DEPROGRAMMING unless
it' actually is no more than mental programming to being with?
Mr. xxxxxxxx I look forward to being able to tell your story someday
Response to "It's all lies" I want EVIDENCE
well you could ask them for evidence of OT....
but this works better:
he US federal 2nd court of
appeals wesbite
https://www.tourolaw.edu/FTP/SecondCircuit/January01/98-9522.rtf
Or try this one
of the United States Supreme Court
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/00-1683.htm
now, come back here and tell me "It's all lies"
be sure you fully understand all the words in the legal definition of
malice .... cause this huge case was not lost because of
a 'technicality' as OSA is telling it's sheep.
Why are we here doing this?
This was received this am, I hope it has the same effect upon you as
it did upon me. this is why we are here
[email header deleted ]
Dear Sir,
I was just wondering if it is still possible to reach you, if writing
to this address. And also ask if I can write to you about $cn some day
if I
And then I froze... Its been more than 2 years now since I left the $o
and I still panic when trying to sent a mail to a "known SP", "cause
what if THEY find out"... Will I ever stop being scared??? I don't
even dare to use my real name or my own computer. Is it me being
paranoid?
I really don't know if I should sent the mail like this. I don't even
know if I should sent this letter at all, but if your reading this
now, then I guess I did...
There is a major struggle going on inside of me right now...
I feel terrified when I think about what I'm doing right now. If I
sent this letter I can never go back there. And I don't know that
scares me so much since I have no wish to return to the church.
I just decided that I will sent this to you.
But I'm still scared... If you receive this, and if you answer this I
really hope that I didn´t waste your time, cause to be honest I really
don't know if I would dare to answer you. So please forgive if that
will
be the case.
I keep looking at the screen not believing that I'm doing this. Not
believing that this has taking me almost an hour to write. I hope you
can find some kind of logic in all the mess above.
[ signature deleted ]
Related Links:
The more you know about the prison of lies that Hubbard built, the more
effective you will be at springing the trap, no other organization has
such a tough hold on it's members, besides Al Quada, and Scientology
does far more supressing the truth....
The Tone Scale
http://www.lermanet.com/tonescale.htm
Conspiracy for Silence
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/silence.htm
Scientology Matrix
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/scientologymatrix.htm
Art of Deception
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/FINAL.htm
Art of Deception Part 2
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/FINAL2.htm
Hubbard the master stage hypnotist
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist.htm
The E-Meter Pages
http://www.lermanet.com/e-metershort.htm
"How long would I have to run a subliminal current through your body
while telling you things that you wanted to hear until you thought that
I held the secrets to the universe?"
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millenium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for
the mind
http://www.lermanet.com/grifters.htm - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with
no HEAD"
Visit Mr. Tilse's home page
http://home.earthlink.net/~mtilse2/
Lermanet.com
How to talk to a Scientologist by Michael Tilse
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tilse1.htm
Lerma's Exit page introduction:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html
from same page:
Slave chains forged of lies
are stronger than fine steel
And those enslaved see
neither shackle nor lock.
The mission must be,
in order to set them free:
show them how their
chains were made
and where lies hid the key..
by Arnie Lerma
The Real Wall of Fire is Leaving Scientology,
Larry T.
Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
"Lermanet.com" <ale...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Funky Donny
Yeah, it can be easy to physically walk out. Especially if you're a paying
public scientologist. What's there to leave except a mindset and a way of
life? There aren't any chains for public scientologists. It can be tough to
go, but you can still walk out. Public scientologists who attend course at a
Class V org can and do leave every night. It is up to them whether they go
back the next time. The real difficulty for the believer is in leaving the
mindset, leaving their friends, leaving their social sense of belonging to
something they revere, etc. Chains aren't only steel, they're emotional too.
It is harder for those who have joined staff, and harder still for those who
were in the SO. Not only is there the fear of the unknown, and a shattered
social support structure outside of the cult due to estranged family members
and ex-friends dropping by the wayside, but you also run the risk of very
real physical coercion to keep you in. Tory and Jesse had it real tough.
I myself had to plan my blow weeks in advance. I was at AOSH, on the Tech
Training Corps for a Cl V org. You tend to leave the cult before the tech
leaves you. (Some never stop believing, even though they may detest RTC/SO
etc.) So because you still think it works, during the whole time you're
planning to leave, you have to stay off the meter. That's tough. One slip-up
and you're in ethics, doing months of sec-checks, comm evs, getting busted
off the TTC sent back to your org, weeks of MEST work, etc. etc.,
Yeah, it can be tough to set yourself up for a clean blow. Scientology hates
people leaving: publicly departing scientology is suppressive.
They HAVE to try to prevent you from doing so because for another
scientologist NOT to prevent you from blowing is a refusal to protect you
from your MUs and MWHs. That's not applying the tech - it's refusal to apply
KSW. It's also complicity if you do nothing to prevent another from blowing,
which means the penalty is doubled.
You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the SO, unless
you're smart and blow while you're on your two week vacation in Spain - and
ALL SO members get that holiday don't they? :)
Cheers,
Funky D
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> Hey,
>
> Yeah, it can be easy to physically walk out. Especially if you're a paying
> public scientologist. What's there to leave except a mindset and a way of
> life? There aren't any chains for public scientologists. It can be tough
> to go, but you can still walk out.
First, it wasn't tough!
Public scientologists who attend course at a Class V org can and do leave
every night. It is up to them whether they go back the next time. The real
difficulty for the believer is in leaving the mindset, leaving their
friends, leaving their social sense of belonging to something they revere,
etc. Chains aren't only steel, they're emotional too.
Second, my friends (i.e. neighbors) left WITH me!
> It is harder for those who have joined staff, and harder still for those
> who were in the SO. Not only is there the fear of the unknown, and a
> shattered social support structure outside of the cult due to estranged
> family members and ex-friends dropping by the wayside, but you also run
> the risk of very real physical coercion to keep you in. Tory and Jesse had
> it real tough.
So don't you think it is WISE NOT to be on staff in the first place?
I did not ASK to be on staff, it was offered to me as an option to paying
for my whole bridge, which I was prepared to do, willing to do and felt like
doing ANYWAY! It is like being on staff was FORCED on me. I was told all
kinds of things, OH! all kinds of stuff, like "Hey Larry you are such an
upstat" or "Hey Larry your TR's are great!" Really? Upstat and good enough
to steal from and then LIE to and then say it was for a good cause, for a
fellow Scientologist?
> I myself had to plan my blow weeks in advance. I was at AOSH, on the Tech
> Training Corps for a Cl V org. You tend to leave the cult before the tech
> leaves you. (Some never stop believing, even though they may detest RTC/SO
> etc.) So because you still think it works, during the whole time you're
> planning to leave, you have to stay off the meter. That's tough. One
> slip-up and you're in ethics, doing months of sec-checks, comm evs,
> getting busted off the TTC sent back to your org, weeks of MEST work, etc.
> etc.,
Are you out of your gourd? I wanted to say to that examiner Maria Suarez in
New York one time right to her face on the E-Meter "What the fuck are you
looking at honey?" but I F/N'd anyway, so who even cares?
> Yeah, it can be tough to set yourself up for a clean blow. Scientology
> hates people leaving: publicly departing scientology is suppressive.
> They HAVE to try to prevent you from doing so because for another
> scientologist NOT to prevent you from blowing is a refusal to protect you
> from your MUs and MWHs. That's not applying the tech - it's refusal to
> apply KSW. It's also complicity if you do nothing to prevent another from
> blowing which means the penalty is doubled.
Donny, if you were on your way out the door of the org because you were
blowing and I was on staff, I would see to it you made it out the door in
one piece is more like it.
Spacetraveler
"Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
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>
> Yeah, it can be easy to physically walk out. Especially if you're a paying
> public scientologist. What's there to leave except a mindset and a way of
> life? There aren't any chains for public scientologists. It can be tough
to
> go, but you can still walk out. Public scientologists who attend course at
a
> Class V org can and do leave every night. It is up to them whether they go
> back the next time. The real difficulty for the believer is in leaving the
> mindset, leaving their friends, leaving their social sense of belonging to
> something they revere, etc. Chains aren't only steel, they're emotional
too.
>
> It is harder for those who have joined staff, and harder still for those
who
> were in the SO. Not only is there the fear of the unknown, and a shattered
> social support structure outside of the cult due to estranged family
members
> and ex-friends dropping by the wayside, but you also run the risk of very
> real physical coercion to keep you in. Tory and Jesse had it real tough.
If you really have realized something, it will be easy to follow-up on that.
The change in how you perceive things will basically do the work for you.
You will become cause. You will only then be effect if you persist in making
someone or something else cause.
There was some situation when I left. Naturally you experience some kind of
make-wrong. But if you know what is true for you, this will not bother, and
it did not bother me. Attempts were made by some to put me in an effect
position, they consequently all failed. Various were SP declared or put in
serious ethics situations because of my defense.
>
> I myself had to plan my blow weeks in advance.
Why blowing? It is much tougher and satisfying to do it the proper way.
> I was at AOSH, on the Tech
> Training Corps for a Cl V org. You tend to leave the cult before the tech
> leaves you. (Some never stop believing, even though they may detest RTC/SO
> etc.) So because you still think it works, during the whole time you're
> planning to leave, you have to stay off the meter. That's tough. One
slip-up
> and you're in ethics, doing months of sec-checks, comm evs, getting busted
> off the TTC sent back to your org, weeks of MEST work, etc. etc.,
>
> Yeah, it can be tough to set yourself up for a clean blow. Scientology
hates
> people leaving: publicly departing scientology is suppressive.
Not per LRH himself actually, but staff will condemn you and will be
ruthless.
>
> They HAVE to try to prevent you from doing so because for another
> scientologist NOT to prevent you from blowing is a refusal to protect you
> from your MUs and MWHs. That's not applying the tech - it's refusal to
apply
> KSW. It's also complicity if you do nothing to prevent another from
blowing,
> which means the penalty is doubled.
Some are pretty much mixed up. PDH Vchecks were attempted on me, trying to
find 'stuff', but there was nothing to be found... What was found was
exaggerated and used (attempted) to enforce some ethics actions done on me.
They failed...
>
> You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the SO,
See, I just DON'T understand that... It HAS to be personal insecurity abut
something. I was completely open and honest about it. Why bother about
stupid people trying to get you do things you don't want to?
> unless
> you're smart and blow while you're on your two week vacation in Spain -
and
> ALL SO members get that holiday don't they? :)
You get 3 weeks LOA yearly actually... .-)
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
The usual Lerma rubbish....
Spacetraveler
"Lermanet.com" <ale...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Larry T.
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is this with or withou full severance pay you toilet bowl?
Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
>
> Spacetraveler
>
>
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
<snip>
> Why blowing? It is much tougher and satisfying to do it the proper way.
And only those who have themselves pounded 16" nails into their eyes can
truly appreciate the satisfaction, or see the sights seen by the
practitioners.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Lermanet.com
<spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The usual Lerma rubbish....
>
>Spacetraveler
>
>
Well, thanks anyway, for the uncut repost
Try this on for size:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.htm
from my introduction to the exit pages:
Slave chains forged of lies
are stronger than fine steel
And those enslaved see
neither shackle nor lock.
The mission must be,
in order to set them free:
show them how their
chains were made
and where lies hid the key..
by Arnie Lerma
The Real Wall of Fire is Leaving Scientology,
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/index.html
Lermanet.com
<ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:05:48 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
><spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gerry Armstrong" <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
>>news:p8l4015n37i3vd62j...@4ax.com...
>>> You don't need an exit strategy if you don't get in.
>>
>>Meaning you don't want peope to find out for themselves.
>
>Oh stop your pretended stupidity. I mean exactly the opposite.
>
>>What does this say about you?
>
>No read. And remember, God is the LFBD F/N item for every properly
>formulated listing question. F/N
>
>So know what you're asking. F/N
>
>>
>>If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and walk
>>out, that's al. Exit strategy?
>
>Now this is a guy with no depth urging no depth.
>
>You can be like this covert guy Spacetraveler, who pretends he's so
>terrified he has to communicate even stupidity from in hiding using a
>fake name. Or you can think about it and develop a real exit
>strategy.
Or you could be like Larry T, or Barbra schwartz...
examples of nutballs that are held up to current membership
as proof that the "Critics are crazy"
Another bright idea by David Miscavige
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/miscavige.htm
>
>Notice this op is urging you to not find out for yourself if you need
>an exit strategy. He's *telling* you to prevent you from finding out
>for yourself.
>
>Notice too that this op has never done the simple program I suggested.
>This op wants to keep you ignorant.
Scientology IS a conspiracy of extortionate conduct in pursuit of
silence...
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/silence.htm
How are you doing gerry? I so look forward to a big reuinion,
a congress ( hubbard speake) of ex members, and activists, at the end
of this "what a strange road its been..."
Arnie
Lermanet.com
wrote:
to leave, a scientologist must actually THINK FOR HIMSELF
He might consider, acually ponder... the following question:
Whose program am I running?
Arnie Lerma
repost follows:
8 steps out of Scientology
8 Steps out of Scientology
preface: Try the following exercise - for current members of
Scientology:
this mental reboot' program is (c) Arnie Lerma
1) Consider that the 'mind' is programmable
2) Whose program are you running?
3) goto 1)
If Scientology is a bridge to OT levels of super dooper powers
why is this website here?
Title: 9 steps out of Scientology
Author: Arnie Lerma
Date: 31 Aug 1997 17:01:27 -0700
I was in the cult and on staff for 10 years... here are the stages I
have seen... as one exits the 'Hubbardian' mind control program....
1) There is something wrong here, if this is so great, then
why is (______) going on?
[ insert whatever atrocity you have recently witnessed ]
2) The guys at the top must be crazy
3) Miscavige and crew are evil demons from another dimension
[ or something similar ]
4) Hubbard went crazy at the end .....
5) Hubbard went crazy in 1966
6) Hubbard was mad from the start.
7) This whole thing is a complete fraud
8) my god, its a criminal organization... with criminal convictions
all over the world... and it was only about money
9) realization that THERE ARE NO OT's THERE!
see http://www.lermanet.com
Arnie Lerma "Clear 3502"
Ex _ Sea Organization Staff
Support the critic of your choice....
By the time you get up to step 7 or so, consider sending a NON-TAX
Deductible GIFT to
Arnaldo Lerma
6045 N 26th RD
Arlington VA 22207
so I can spent as much time as possible doing something I seem to be
pretty good at doing
exposing Scientology.
It could be your kids I save from ten years of a delusion.
Phone: 703 241 1498
mailto:ale...@bellatlantic.net
shortly before hubbard died he signed a new will
which gave control to miscavige miscavige was the notary public for
this document also..
Pat Broeker, a fellah I used to work with who cared for Hubbard at the
end, has been paid off for his silence
MAIN index page
Ex-members go here EXIT Pages
(c) 1997,2000 Arnaldo Lerma
Crowley said "There are two main methods of acquiring the Magical
Memory as defined above. One is to train the normal memory to work
backwards instead of forwards, so that any past action is presented to
the mind after the manner of a cinematograph film set running in the
reverse direction. (I never succeeded fully in acquiring the technique
of this method.) The other is to deduce from present circumstances
those which gave rise to them."--Crowley, Aleister, (John Symonds,
Kenneth Grant, editors)
The Confessions of Aleister Crowley (page 463) © 1979 John Symonds and
Kenneth Grant
Hubbardsaid: The auditor is so accustomed to projectionists reeling
off movies and TV programs for him or her that the auditor tends to
just sit while the action rolls forward, acting like a spectator, not
the projectionist.
[...]
Take a pocket movie projector and any bit of a reel of film and wind
it back and forth for awhile and you'll see you are moving it. [...]
If motion picture film were 3D, had 52 perceptions and could fully
react upon the observer, the time track could be called a motion
picture film. <end quotes> --Hubbard. L. Ron HCOB 15 May 1963 The Time
Track and Engram Running by Chains Bulletin 1 © 1991 L. Ron Hubbard
Library
Both Hubbard and Crowley drew upon the work of Ananda Metteyya for
their
magical memory technique. Crowley did credit Metteyya. Hubbard
*became* Metteyya, and rolled his own credits.
antivirus
"The Fifth Horseman" by Richard Sherbaniuk, published in New York by
Tom Doherty Associates earlier this year, has a $cio reference. On
page 190, Zammit, the hero is saying "Did Smegyev make all this up?
Like L. Ron Hubbard did with Scientology?" This is a novel about
biological terrorism and contains derogatory
references to several cults as well as cults in general.
At George Washington University, according to L. Ron Hubbard's
official transcript, he received an "F" in "Modern Physical Phenomena;
Molecular and Atomic Physics."
The only comment on his brilliant work: "Placed on probation for
deficiency in scholarship September 1931.
In the US Navy he was sent back from Austrialia "UNSATISFACTORY FOR
ANY AVAILABLE ASSIGNMENT, HERE"
Lermanet.com
wrote:
I bet spacetravelar, LArry T and B schwarz have never watched
The Truman Show
That was an excellent suggestion, I loved the movie!!
And Scientology is sooooo much like that.
Good to see you posting again
Scientology IS losing the infomation war
arnie lerma
>
>Tory/Magoo~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Bent Stigsen
> "Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
> news:4202...@news.usenetzone.com...
>
>>You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the SO,
>
> See, I just DON'T understand that... It HAS to be personal insecurity abut
> something. I was completely open and honest about it.
Not everybody is strong enough to do that.
Whatever it is, insecurity, fear, conditioning or whatever emotional
leverage they can use, isn't it wrong for the org to take advantage of that?
> Why bother about
> stupid people trying to get you do things you don't want to?
Do you honestly think it is that simple?
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/mindcontrolmodel.htm
<quote: RVY talking about his 21 years in Scientology>
"Wow," she said actually surprised. "If it really is as bad as I hear,
how could you stay in it that long?"
There it was, that same question. Well, this time I had a new answer.
"I guess that's like asking an abused women why she stayed in that
relationship for so long when…"
She suddenly turned to me and raised her hands in front of her, one of
those "halt" motions and said, "Say no more! I just ended an abusive
marriage of 12 years. I know exactly what you are talking about."
<end quote>
/Bent
Spacetraveler
"Bent Stigsen" <ng...@thevoid.dk> wrote in message
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> Spacetraveler wrote:
> > "Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
> > news:4202...@news.usenetzone.com...
> >
> [snip]
> >>You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the SO,
> >
> > See, I just DON'T understand that... It HAS to be personal insecurity
abut
> > something. I was completely open and honest about it.
>
> Not everybody is strong enough to do that.
It is not about strength, it is about integrity. It's really nothing else.
>
> Whatever it is, insecurity, fear, conditioning or whatever emotional
> leverage they can use, isn't it wrong for the org to take advantage of
that?
>
> > Why bother about
> > stupid people trying to get you do things you don't want to?
>
> Do you honestly think it is that simple?
Yes. Life is simple, man makes it complicated.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:22:43 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
> <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >The usual Lerma rubbish....
> >
> >Spacetraveler
> >
> >
>
> Well, thanks anyway, for the uncut repost
Freedom of Speech... data will speak for itself for those who can see..
Spacetraveler
Bent Stigsen
> "Bent Stigsen" <ng...@thevoid.dk> wrote in message
> news:42037d26$0$48656$edfa...@dread15.news.tele.dk...
>
>> Spacetraveler wrote:
>>
>>> "Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
>>> news:4202...@news.usenetzone.com...
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the
>>>> SO,
>>>
>>> See, I just DON'T understand that... It HAS to be personal
>>> insecurity abut something. I was completely open and honest about
>>> it.
>>
>> Not everybody is strong enough to do that.
>
> It is not about strength, it is about integrity. It's really nothing
> else.
Whatever it is, insecurity, fear, conditioning or whatever
emotional leverage they can use, isn't it wrong for the org to take
advantage of that?
[snip]
>>> Why bother about stupid people trying to get you do things you
>>> don't want to?
>>
>> Do you honestly think it is that simple?
>
> Yes. Life is simple, man makes it complicated.
>
> Spacetraveler
How about things like "battered woman syndrome", like Robert is refering
to in the below quote. What would your advice be to a women in a abusive
home, or people in oppressive cults?
>> http://www.lermanet.com/cos/mindcontrolmodel.htm
>>
>> <quote: RVY talking about his 21 years in Scientology> "Wow," she
>> said actually surprised. "If it really is as bad as I hear, how
>> could you stay in it that long?"
>>
>> There it was, that same question. Well, this time I had a new
>> answer.
>>
>> "I guess that's like asking an abused women why she stayed in that
>> relationship for so long when…"
>>
>> She suddenly turned to me and raised her hands in front of her, one
>> of those "halt" motions and said, "Say no more! I just ended an
>> abusive marriage of 12 years. I know exactly what you are talking
>> about."
>>
>> <end quote>
/Bent
Spacetraveler
> Spacetraveler wrote:
> > "Bent Stigsen" <ng...@thevoid.dk> wrote in message
> > news:42037d26$0$48656$edfa...@dread15.news.tele.dk...
> >
> >> Spacetraveler wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
> >>> news:4202...@news.usenetzone.com...
> >>>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>>> You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the
> >>>> SO,
> >>>
> >>> See, I just DON'T understand that... It HAS to be personal
> >>> insecurity abut something. I was completely open and honest about
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> Not everybody is strong enough to do that.
> >
> > It is not about strength, it is about integrity. It's really nothing
> > else.
>
> Whatever it is, insecurity, fear, conditioning or whatever
> emotional leverage they can use, isn't it wrong for the org to take
> advantage of that?
It isn't about the org, it is about other persons in that org suffering from
that same illnes, it being insecure. It is easy to lead people who are in
that condition.
>
> [snip]
> >>> Why bother about stupid people trying to get you do things you
> >>> don't want to?
> >>
> >> Do you honestly think it is that simple?
> >
> > Yes. Life is simple, man makes it complicated.
> >
> > Spacetraveler
>
> How about things like "battered woman syndrome", like Robert is refering
> to in the below quote. What would your advice be to a women in a abusive
> home, or people in oppressive cults?
There is no option, you have to leave if you survival is threatened in such
a way.
Spacetraveler
Ball of Fluff
<luz_...@latinmail.com> wrote in message
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> Spacetraveler wrote:
>> If you want to leave the organization, it's just opening the door and
> walk
>> out, that's al. Exit strategy?
>
> Hey Spacetraveler. Lisa McPherson tried to walk out and was killed by
> around...
Oh. I thought she had a nervous breakdown and was then taken to Ft Harrison
to be neglected and die 17 days later...
C
Ball of Fluff
"Funky Donny" <Fu...@Donny.nyet> wrote in message
news:4202...@news.usenetzone.com...
>
> Yeah, it can be easy to physically walk out. Especially if you're a paying
> public scientologist.
For many public church members, it is pretty easy, as you said. Provided
that they don't make enough waves to get expelled AND don't have
family/friends in CofS...
> What's there to leave except a mindset and a way of life? There aren't any
> chains for public scientologists.
'Cept the one above in some cases.
> It can be tough to go, but you can still walk out. Public scientologists
> who attend course at a Class V org can and do leave every night. It is up
> to them whether they go back the next time. The real difficulty for the
> believer is in leaving the mindset, leaving their friends, leaving their
> social sense of belonging to something they revere, etc. Chains aren't
> only steel, they're emotional too.
I would suggest that any public churchie wanting to leave, if they have
family and friends still in, that they just do so quietly. The advice I'd
give and, indeed, have given is that when staff members come around or call,
which they will, to stonewall them. Got a new job. Working overtime. Oh, I'm
so busy. Yes, I know, those are just considerations. Yes, yes. See you, bye.
This way one doesn't get expelled or "in serious ethics trouble" and family
aren't pressured.
>
> It is harder for those who have joined staff, and harder still for those
> who were in the SO. Not only is there the fear of the unknown, and a
> shattered social support structure outside of the cult due to estranged
> family members and ex-friends dropping by the wayside, but you also run
> the risk of very real physical coercion to keep you in. Tory and Jesse had
> it real tough.
Tory wasn't staff, though. She mainly had the pressures you describe above.
>
> I myself had to plan my blow weeks in advance. I was at AOSH, on the Tech
> Training Corps for a Cl V org. You tend to leave the cult before the tech
> leaves you. (Some never stop believing, even though they may detest RTC/SO
> etc.) So because you still think it works,
Therapeutic gains are always subjective, regardless of the name of the
methodology. If a person thinks it helps, then for him or her, it does.
>during the whole time you're planning to leave, you have to stay off the
>meter. That's tough. One slip-up and you're in ethics, doing months of
>sec-checks, comm evs, getting busted off the TTC sent back to your org,
>weeks of MEST work, etc. etc.,
When I had my penultimate handling at CofS for posting here, they wanted me
to come in for a meter check a month later. I said no. It would have led to
a sec check and what for? I'd decided to leave already.
But what if I'd still wanted to stay in then? This wasn't the situation but
there was a time when it WOULD have been. This would have been an additional
thing for me to deal with.
>
> Yeah, it can be tough to set yourself up for a clean blow. Scientology
> hates people leaving: publicly departing scientology is suppressive.
Yes, they mentioned that on my most recent (and final) expell/declare.
Actually, all I'd done was say I was "inactive" on a.r.s. I'd not done
anything else.
>
> They HAVE to try to prevent you from doing so because for another
> scientologist NOT to prevent you from blowing is a refusal to protect you
> from your MUs and MWHs. That's not applying the tech - it's refusal to
> apply KSW. It's also complicity if you do nothing to prevent another from
> blowing, which means the penalty is doubled.
Right. That's exactly how they see it.
>
> You absolutely have to have an exit strategy if you're in the SO, unless
> you're smart and blow while you're on your two week vacation in Spain -
> and ALL SO members get that holiday don't they? :)
Yes, for sure.
I think that anyone who isn't living alone, who has any additional
complications, has to have some kind of strategy but this goes double, if
not triple, for SO members.
C
Ball of Fluff
Well, I'd say to leave.
BUT, stone walls do not a prison make. Well, they do, but the walls of the
mind are the toughest.
There's a Scn term, "PTS" which refers to a person undergoing suppression on
an ongoing basis. People in that position do not think clearly. (no pun
intended). Because they are under constant duress. If you get someone who
was always under such stress and duress, you will find that they never
established the right frame of reference and the right independent modes of
thinking to deal with anything.
This is where support by other people comes in. Because what may be needed
is to sit down and take stock but that is easier said than done when one is
in such a situation particularly if it's been going on for years.
This is why I do not respect people who bash Scn'ists and call them clams.
They really drive others away.
I had and have several critic friends and did when I was still in CofS. Not
one of them bashed me for my lifestyle choice or told me what to do. But if
I wanted to know what they thought or wanted assistance, I knew I had it.
C
Zinj
getof...@fluffentology.com says...
During the 17 days she attempted to walk out, but was restrained and
even bound to prevent that.