IF there were any OT's in Scientology, they could handle these horrific natural disasters, now couldn't they?
Oh, I know the drill: "We've kept it away from Clearwater!" How insane is that! If one could honestly keep any of this away from anywhere, why would they not help all the other areas that have been harmed so very much?
The truth is: There are no OT's, and this is just more proof of it.
Scientology, quit lying to people: Admit it: The "OT" Levels are a scam.
(To those lurking, think I'm kidding? Try taking L. Ron Hubbard's Final PL exit:
mago...@charter.net "Those that give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote: >IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >now couldn't they?
If there were any OT's in Scientology, they would handle Stu Miller!!!!!
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote: >IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >now couldn't they?
If there were any OT's in Scientology, they'd handle Pwalt.
> IF there were any OT's in Scientology, > they could handle these horrific natural disasters, > now couldn't they?
> Oh, I know the drill: "We've kept it away from Clearwater!" > How insane is that! If one could honestly keep any of this > away > from anywhere, why would they not help all the other areas > that > have been harmed so very much?
Are you saying you don't think the scientologists have blocked Wilma so it stays in the Carribean?
If Wilma escapes it would indicate that way more than a few OT's have gone entirerly out ethics... I'd have to call em at the Flub land base and ask what the hell is up.
If the hurricane hits the tip of the Yucatan a and exits still headed northwest especially as a cat 3 or 4 the computer projections put it on a path to Clearwater.
You would have to say in that case that the cult boys are loosing their ability to steer these hurricanes onto other people as they had been bragging about in the past.
> mago...@charter.net > "Those that give up essential liberty > to purchase a little temporary safety, > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message > news:0N%5f.11133$RG4.6200@fe05.lga... >> IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >> they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >> now couldn't they?
>> Oh, I know the drill: "We've kept it away from Clearwater!" >> How insane is that! If one could honestly keep any of this away >> from anywhere, why would they not help all the other areas that >> have been harmed so very much?
> Are you saying you don't think the scientologists have blocked Wilma so it > stays in the Carribean?
Nooooooo...I'm saying they used to "Claim" That they'd "Handled" any problem such as that, by diverting it. When in truth, IF they could, and they had ANY good powers at all, they'd divert it all together, wouldn't they? So that tells ya who they are, either way.
> If Wilma escapes it would indicate that way more than a few OT's have > gone entirerly out ethics... I'd have to call em at the Flub land base > and ask what the hell is up.
> If the hurricane hits the tip of the Yucatan a and exits still headed > northwest especially as a cat 3 or 4 the computer projections put it on a > path to Clearwater.
> You would have to say in that case that the cult boys are loosing their > ability to steer these hurricanes onto other people as they had been > bragging about in the past.
> Phil Scott
>> The truth is: There are no OT's, and this is just more proof of it.
>> Scientology, quit lying to people: Admit it: The "OT" Levels >> are a scam.
>> (To those lurking, think I'm kidding? Try taking L. Ron Hubbard's Final >> PL exit:
>> "The WAY OUT >> IS >> The Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearest
>> mago...@charter.net >> "Those that give up essential liberty >> to purchase a little temporary safety, >> deserve neither liberty nor safety." >> -- Benjamin Franklin
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote: >IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >now couldn't they?
If there were any OT's in Scientology, they would handle Stu Miller!!!!!
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote: >IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >now couldn't they?
If there were any OT's in Scientology, they'd handle Pwalt.
>> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote in message >> news:0N%5f.11133$RG4.6200@fe05.lga... >>> IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >>> they could handle these horrific natural disasters, >>> now couldn't they?
>>> Oh, I know the drill: "We've kept it away from >>> Clearwater!" >>> How insane is that! If one could honestly keep any of this >>> away >>> from anywhere, why would they not help all the other areas >>> that >>> have been harmed so very much?
>> Are you saying you don't think the scientologists have >> blocked Wilma so it stays in the Carribean? > Nooooooo...I'm saying they used to "Claim" That they'd > "Handled" > any problem such as that, by diverting it. When in truth, IF > they could, and they had ANY good powers at all, they'd > divert it all together, wouldn't they? > So that tells ya who they are, either way.
either the criminal cult is at cause and steering the hurricanes as they so routinely claim away from Clearwater, or they are not at cause.
If they are at cause then they they need to get on the horn right away and applogize to the mayor of Cozumel for all the dead people, chaos, and loss.
We will see what scn has to say to the folks on the florida coast in 4 days.. they can brag about how OT they are for steering the Huricane into those areas... Then they could sell em a truck load of way to happiness booklets. that would be hot.
If Wilma comes out of the Yucatan headed north, especially northwest to any degree and its perimeter structure is not showing any deflection, it will strike the Florida coast a lot farther north than the keys.
>> If Wilma escapes it would indicate that way more than a >> few OT's have gone entirerly out ethics... I'd have to >> call em at the Flub land base and ask what the hell is up.
>> If the hurricane hits the tip of the Yucatan a and exits >> still headed northwest especially as a cat 3 or 4 the >> computer projections put it on a path to Clearwater.
>> You would have to say in that case that the cult boys are >> loosing their ability to steer these hurricanes onto other >> people as they had been bragging about in the past.
>> Phil Scott
>>> The truth is: There are no OT's, and this is just more >>> proof of it.
>>> Scientology, quit lying to people: Admit it: The "OT" >>> Levels >>> are a scam.
>>> (To those lurking, think I'm kidding? Try taking L. Ron >>> Hubbard's Final PL exit:
>>> "The WAY OUT >>> IS >>> The Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearest
>>> mago...@charter.net >>> "Those that give up essential liberty >>> to purchase a little temporary safety, >>> deserve neither liberty nor safety." >>> -- Benjamin Franklin
Magoo wrote: >IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >they could handle these horrific natural >disasters, now couldn't they?
Altruism is not on the minds of those who have gained enough demonic cooperation to get things accomplished in the spirit realm (without the use of their physical bodies.)
Only high-level Satanists can really be at cause over MEST.
People with consciences still intact will not achieve the status of OT no matter how many Scientology courses they take.
>>IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >>they could handle these horrific natural >disasters, now couldn't they?
> Altruism is not on the minds of those who have gained enough demonic > cooperation to get things accomplished in the spirit realm (without the > use of their physical bodies.)
> Only high-level Satanists can really be at cause over MEST.
> People with consciences still intact will not achieve the status of OT > no matter how many Scientology courses they take.
What a bunch of crap. From both of you.
In the first place, there're degrees of "OTness". Anyone who'd really studied Scn would know that.
>>IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >>they could handle these horrific natural >disasters, now couldn't they?
> Altruism is not on the minds of those who have gained enough demonic > cooperation to get things accomplished in the spirit realm (without the > use of their physical bodies.)
> Only high-level Satanists can really be at cause over MEST.
> People with consciences still intact will not achieve the status of OT > no matter how many Scientology courses they take.
Guess what. Anybody anywhere will not achieve the status of OT, because there is no such thing. Nor does anyone but Superman and other comic book characters have power over MEST. Or Jeebus.
If you even think it's a little "possible," you're a deluded moron. It's all Ron's fantasy! He was a science fiction writer! Get a grip, Ruby.
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
>>>IF there were any OT's in Scientology, >>>they could handle these horrific natural >disasters, now >>>couldn't they?
>> Altruism is not on the minds of those who have gained >> enough demonic >> cooperation to get things accomplished in the spirit realm >> (without the >> use of their physical bodies.)
>> Only high-level Satanists can really be at cause over MEST.
>> People with consciences still intact will not achieve the >> status of OT >> no matter how many Scientology courses they take.
> Guess what. Anybody anywhere will not achieve the status of > OT, because there is no such thing. Nor does anyone but > Superman and other comic book characters have power over > MEST. Or Jeebus.
> If you even think it's a little "possible," you're a deluded > moron. It's all Ron's fantasy! He was a science fiction > writer! Get a grip, Ruby.
Dr M Scott Peck, MD... a shrink, who wrote as you probably know "The Road Less Traveled"..also wrote "People of the Lie"...that is way more than revealing on the issues we are discussing.
> "Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release > form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." > This assistance might involve holding you against your > will for an indefinite period, isolating you from > friends and family, and denying you access to > appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed > for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, > the release form absolves your caretakers of all > responsibility for your suffering and death.
Ball of Fluff wrote: >In the first place, there're degrees of "OTness". >Anyone who'd really >studied Scn would know that.
Good point.
There degrees just like there are in Masonry, Mormonism, and other esoteric religions. A third degree Mason knows little compared to a 33 degree or above and a beginning or middle-level Scientologist does not have a true understanding of what is going on at the top levels.
Being at cause over MEST (matter, energy, space and time) is possible to accomplish in a limited way but only with the cooperation of demons (whether one chooses to acknowledge them as such or not). The higher the level that a Mason, Scientologist, Mormon, etc.has attained, the higher the level of spiritual prowess.
Demons can enable people (who learn how to gain their often fickle cooperation) to manipulate things: matter, energy (other demons must heed their commands), space (they learn how to astral project and thus "move through space," and time in limited ways. Putting delayed curses on people is one way of having "cause" over time.
note: Human beings, even those who are deceived into cooperating with the demonic realm, are not God and never will be God. Only God's power is unlimited. So in this sense, yes, there is no such thing as an OT because only God has unlimited power.
Warning: those who pursue OT powers (those who fellowship with devils) and die without repenting toward God and coming into a state of fellowship with Him, will end up in the place that was prepared for the demons they fellowship with-- a place of everlasting fire:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
Phil Scott wrote: >Dr M Scott Peck, MD... a shrink, who wrote as you probably >know "The Road Less Traveled"..also wrote "People of the >Lie"...that is way more than revealing on the issues we are >discussing.
Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. Those who lie have the devil as their father:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44
Since lying is Satan's trademark he works through his human servants to spread his lies everywhere.
He does not want people to realize that his supernatural power is real and that grave consequences come to those who succumb to the temptation to acquire and wield it.
In article <1130051030.294589.188...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Commissio...@groupmail.com says...
> Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. > Those who lie have the devil as their father:
Speaking of silly bullshit, the Bible recommends rending asunder by wild bears children who make fun of bald old farts (if they happen to be prophets.)
Zinj -- Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil! - The Tick
> In article <1130051030.294589.188...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > Commissio...@groupmail.com says...
> > Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. > > Those who lie have the devil as their father:
> Speaking of silly bullshit, the Bible recommends rending asunder by wild > bears children who make fun of bald old farts (if they happen to be > prophets.)
> Zinj > -- > Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil! > - The Tick
Yes, that one always caught my eye when I was a kid. I mean, it was a little HARSH, wasn't it? Nowadays we'd just take away their game cubes for a week.
>>Dr M Scott Peck, MD... a shrink, who wrote as you probably >>know "The Road Less Traveled"..also wrote "People of the >>Lie"...that is way more than revealing on the issues we are >>discussing.
> Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of > lies. > Those who lie have the devil as their father:
> "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your > father ye will > do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in > the truth, > because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he > speaketh > of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John > 8:44
> Since lying is Satan's trademark he works through his human > servants to > spread > his lies everywhere.
> He does not want people to realize that his supernatural > power is real > and that > grave consequences come to those who succumb to the > temptation to > acquire and > wield it.
>>In the first place, there're degrees of "OTness". >>Anyone who'd really >>studied Scn would know that.
> Good point.
> There degrees just like there are in Masonry, > Mormonism, and other esoteric religions. A third > degree Mason knows little compared to a 33 degree > or above and a beginning or middle-level Scientologist > does not have a true understanding > of what is going on at the top levels.
> Being at cause over MEST (matter, energy, space > and time) is possible to accomplish in a limited > way but only with the cooperation of demons > (whether one chooses to acknowledge them as such > or not). The higher the level that a Mason, Scientologist, > Mormon, > etc.has attained, the higher > the level of spiritual prowess.
I cant speak for the Masons or Morons, but I can speak for the scn situation... the 'spiritual prowess' the scns and hubbard have is entirely self destructive... the reverse of spiritual advance or ability... it ends in utter disaster. The good asspects of 'spiritual prowess' in scn are perverted to limitations... that is not to say there is not some black magic involved.... I see black magic though as a very low level, at the bottom of the barrel 'advance', that goes entirely south for its adepts.... 'beyond the black magicians' is an oposite...advance that can be recognised in others by the way they speak. Jesus of Nazareth spoke from those perspectives in his generic statements and admonitions.
> Demons can enable people (who learn how to gain > their often fickle cooperation) to manipulate > things: matter, energy (other demons must heed their > commands), space (they learn how to astral project > and thus "move through space," and time in limited > ways. Putting delayed curses on people is one way of having > "cause" > over time.
Those are at very crude levels, that ignore what you would term the founding intent of the creator...and are in conflict with it...and accordingly do not endure.
> note: Human beings, even those who are deceived into > cooperating with the demonic realm, are not God and > never will be God. Only God's power is unlimited. So > in this sense, yes, there is no such thing as an OT > because only God has unlimited power.
The individuated individual, the glorifed individual as scn targets for ...will always have such a limited view that his best effort will be a net destruction across the larger perspectives... that chops off his or her 'OT' powers at the knees.
> Warning: those who pursue OT powers (those who > fellowship with devils) and die without repenting > toward God and coming into a state of fellowship > with Him, will end up in the place that was prepared > for the demons they fellowship with-- a place of > everlasting fire:
What you probably dont realize, but i do, from direct experience...is that such error produces a hell for the person on earth as he lives today..in the present..most ex scn's once they recover will tell you of some terminally nasty sufferings from being on that path. Recovery can take a decade or two or longer.
> Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, > Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, > prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41
The bible provides an extensive discussion of those issues in a wide range of analogy and direct remarks... one as you know is that a person is saved by grace alone.
With no grace, forget it regardless ones 'religion'...with grace... its all good. accordingly, my view is not to worry about it... ymmv.... i meet a lot of people that will do very well I think but whom have no obvious religious affiliations or concerns.\
and as you probably have experienced, there is totally no shortage of bogus bible thumpers running loose..people you and i and *all of the ARSCC try our best to avoid like the plague...some real hard core slime bags.
Accordingly its loaded subject. I prefer to notice the aspect of grace in a person.. it brings with it a supreme intelligence.. some would call it a 'saving grace'... a pleasure to behold...and a real contribution to mankind.
>>Dr M Scott Peck, MD... a shrink, who wrote as you probably >>know "The Road Less Traveled"..also wrote "People of the >>Lie"...that is way more than revealing on the issues we are >>discussing.
> Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. > Those who lie have the devil as their father:
> "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will > do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, > because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh > of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44
> Since lying is Satan's trademark he works through his human servants to > spread > his lies everywhere.
> He does not want people to realize that his supernatural power is real > and that > grave consequences come to those who succumb to the temptation to > acquire and > wield it.
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
Zinj wrote: > In article <1130051030.294589.188...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > Commissio...@groupmail.com says...
>>Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. >>Those who lie have the devil as their father:
> Speaking of silly bullshit, the Bible recommends rending asunder by wild > bears children who make fun of bald old farts (if they happen to be > prophets.)
> Zinj
The Bible also says I can't eat lobster. Wanna bet?
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
>> In article <1130051030.294589.188...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >> Commissio...@groupmail.com says...
>> > Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of lies. >> > Those who lie have the devil as their father:
>> Speaking of silly bullshit, the Bible recommends rending asunder by wild >> bears children who make fun of bald old farts (if they happen to be >> prophets.)
>> Zinj >> -- >> Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil! >> - The Tick
> Yes, that one always caught my eye when I was a kid. I mean, it was a > little HARSH, wasn't it? Nowadays we'd just take away their game cubes > for a week.
I always was personally charmed by their treatment of the Midianite women and children.
>>> In article >>> <1130051030.294589.188...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >>> Commissio...@groupmail.com says...
>>> > Speaking of lies, the Bible refers to Satan as the father of >>> > lies. Those who lie have the devil as their father:
>>> Speaking of silly bullshit, the Bible recommends rending asunder >>> by wild bears children who make fun of bald old farts (if they >>> happen to be prophets.)
>>> Zinj >>> -- >>> Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil! >>> - The Tick
>> Yes, that one always caught my eye when I was a kid. I mean, it was >> a little HARSH, wasn't it? Nowadays we'd just take away their game >> cubes for a week.
> I always was personally charmed by their treatment of the Midianite > women and children.
> C
God was so good to Pharoah, the first born of Egypt and all those Canaanites.
However I do not see Satan doing as much evil in the OT. In fact, I don't see Satan at all here.
-- The official spokesman of the Foxes said today that investigation into what happened to the henhouse may be needed.
Phil Scott wrote: >the 'spiritual prowess' the scns and >hubbard have is entirely self destructive... the reverse of >spiritual advance or ability... it ends in utter disaster.
Yes, that is so.
>What you probably dont realize, but i do, from direct >experience...is that such error produces a hell for the person >on earth as he lives today..in the present..most ex scn's once >they recover will tell you of some terminally nasty sufferings >from being on that path. Recovery can take a decade or two >or longer.
Yes I know, but recovery does not have to take that long. Not if ex-Scientologists are willing to come to God who desires to "open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. [Jesus Christ] Acts 26:18
>one as you know is that a person is saved by grace alone.
Yes, that is true. It is also true that the grace that brings salvation teaches those that posess it to deny "ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world" -Titus 2:12
