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Eldon  
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 More options Jan 6 2009, 9:05 am
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From: Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 06:05:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 9:05 am
Subject: Idiotic double talk by Tommy Davis re: "Travolta misconceptions"
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28511424/
In response to the claim that the family might not have sought
appropriate, conventional medical treatment for Jett’s seizures, Tommy
Davis from Scientology International says that simply isn’t allowed
under Scientology practices.

“Scientologists seek conventional medical treatment for medical
conditions. Scientologists use prescription drugs when physically ill
and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. The
church does not involve itself in the diagnosis or classification of
any medical condition,” says Davis.

(If you’re wondering how the church’s stance might apply to Tom
Cruise’s now-infamous argument with Matt Lauer of the use of anti-
depressants, Davis points out, “That centered around a psychological
diagnosis, not a medical diagnosis, there’s a distinction.”)
------
Ah, that explains it. Tommy Cruse must have been upset because a
psychologist illegally prescribed Paxil for Brook Shields instead of
getting a psychiatrist to do it. But wait a minute -- psychiatrists
are medical doctors, which is why they can prescribe psych drugs just
like your family GP... or doesn't Tommy D. know the difference?

This begs further explanation by someone of Miscavige stature -- and
perhaps even a quote from LRH.


 
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cultxpt  
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 More options Jan 6 2009, 10:16 am
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From: cultxpt <cult...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Idiotic double talk by Tommy Davis re: "Travolta misconceptions"
On Jan 6, 7:05 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cos/ftp/medclaim.txt

Heal a body                             HCO BULLETIN OF 24 APRIL 1969RA
 REVISED 20 SEPTEMBER 1978
 "The basic use of Dianetics is to make a well body
and to augment physical treatment."

Cure retardation [ibid]
"Whole classes of "mentally retarded" children have been made
more normal by teachers in London County Council schools using
relatively unskilled Dianetics. "

Cure goiter              DIANETICS TODAY (1975 ED.) P.280
   "I've seen a goiter the size of a baseball visibly shrink and
   disappear in the space of one-half hour right after an engram
   was run."

Cure polio               DIANETICS TODAY    "       P. 353
   "A girl crippled by polio was able to throw away her crutches
   after my first session."

Cure arthritis           History of Man p. 7
   "Today, Eleanor has arthritis.  She is audited... tonight she
   doesn't have arthritis"

Speed broke bone healing DIANETICS TODAY    "       P.110
   "A broken limb will heal (by X-ray evidence) in two instead of
   six weeks."

Cure effects of drugs    DIANETICS TODAY    "       P.481
   "ONLY processing by Dianetics and Scientology can handle the
   effects of drugs fully."

Raise the dead           Magazine Articles on Level
0
     Checksheet 1968, "Dissemination of Material" p.75
   "A child had died, was dead, had been pronounced dead by a doctor,
   and the auditor, by calling the thetan back and ordering him to
take
   over the body again brought the child to life."

Cure migraines           DIANETICS    "       P.125
   also see HCOB 15 Jan. '79 "Handling with Auditing"

Cure cancer              THE HISTORY OF MAN (1961) P. 20
   "Cancer has been eradicated by auditing out conception and
   mitosis."

Cure skin cancer         ALL ABOUT RADIATION (1979 ED.) P.114

Cure radiation sickness  ALL ABOUT RADIATION    "       P.109
   also PAB no. 82 "Scientology is the only specific (cure)
for
radiation (atomic bomb) burns."

Improve eyesight         PAB no. 111 "Eyesight and glasses"
   also Dianetic Auditor's Bulletin vol. 2 no. 7 January 1952 "An
   afternoon with Ron"  "You are only three or four hours from taking
   your glasses off for keeps."

Cure a broken ankle      HCOB 30 July 1973 "Scientology, Current State
     of the Subject and Materials."

Cure insanity            HCOB 28 Nov. '70 "Psychosis"  "The
alleviation
   of the condition of insanity has also been accomplished now..."

Cure bronchitis          HCOB 14 Dec. '63  "Case analysis Health
Research"
   "12 days after this auditing the coughing was still in abeyance."

cure brainwashing        HCOB No. 19 Dec. '55 "The turn of the Tide"
   "... in Dianetics in particular, we have the total antidote for
the
   eradication of brainwashing."

Miscellaneous claims    DIANETICS (1987 ED.) p.72
   "arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness
   decreases, asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and
   the whole catalogue of illnesses goes away and stays away."
                        HISTORY OF MAN P.13
   "The GE has the record of past deaths.  Auditing it alters
physical
   structure, eradicates physical malformations."
                        HISTORY OF MAN P.14
   "Paralysis, anxiety stomachs, arthritis and many ills and
aberrations
   have been relieved by auditing them."

   Hubbard wrote that Scientologists taking courses were barred from
visiting a doctor without express permission from the church "except
in
cases of severe emergency." (HCOPL 26 July 1965 "Release Declaration
Restrictions, Healing Amendments).  One must assume that the church
did
not really want sick people taking courses, and thus one could infer
that
it was assumed that auditing could handle any illness of the student.

   In 1963 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raided the
church
in Washington DC and confiscated their e-meters.  The FDA sued the
Church of Scientology for fraudulant medical claims and called the
e-meter a fraudulant healing device.  The church after many years
finally settled with the FDA.  In part, the ruling that the church
was
to abide by states concerning the e-meter:

      "The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice
warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any
kind
is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or
scientific
basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the
diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease.  It should be
noted
in the warning that the device has been condemned by a United States
District court for misrepresentation and misbranding under the Food
and
Drug laws, that use is permitted only as part of religious activity,
and
that the E-meter is not medically or scientifically capable of
improving
the health or bodily functions of anyone.
   "Each user, purchaser, and distributee of the E-meter shall sign a
written statement that he has read such a warning and understands its
contents and such statements shall be preserved." (United States of
America, Libelant, v. An Article or Device... "Hubbard Electrometer"
or "Hubbard E-Meter" etc., Founding Church of Scientology et al.,
Claimants, No. D.C. 1-63, United States District Court, District of
Columbia, July 30, 1971 (333 F. Supp. 357)

   Obviously, the church was supposed to stop promoting their
auditing
process with the e-meter as having medical value.  And it was assumed
by the outside world that the church was at least minimally abiding
by
the agreement with the FDA, though it continues to sell the works
that
contain the previously quoted medical claims.
   When the NOTs courses were posted on the internet, some who read
it perceived that portions of the series seemed to be stating that
auditing could cure illnesses.  Since these courses were not
available
to the public or even the FDA, no one had been able to observe any
possible medical claim except Scientologists in good standing who had
completed a long list of courses and reached the particular level of
"clear."
   H. Keith Henson, upon reading NOTs, was certain enough about one
of
the series, #34, that he posted it in its entirety to the internet
newsgroup alt.religion.scientology, stating that he was exposing
medical fraud.  He did this despite Scientology's well-known record
for suing and harassing critics.  The church promptly sued him (U.S.
District Court, Northern District of California, case number
C-96-20271RMW).
   I have reviewed the NOTs material posted to the internet and
assume
that it is the real thing, because 1) the church legally went after
those who posted the NOTs for copyright violations, 2) former members
vouched for the authenticity of the material, and 3) it is consistent
with other church writings.
   Basically, the NOTs series are auditing methods that use an e-
meter
purportedly designed to rid the Scientologist of a multitude of
unwanted spiritual beings attached to his/her soul.  These unwanted
beings, called "Body Thetans" or "BTs", can allegedly cause physical
problems for humans.

For example:

Series 2
   Being a Clear but not having completed OT levels "doesn't
necessarily effect the person himself, but it does effect the body -
severely." Series 2 seeks to motivate Scientologists to take the next
courses by stating that "Clears should be told they are at risk until
OTIII" of "illness, possibly worse."

Series 12
   This series deals with mis-auditing problems.  NOTs mis-auditing
can hurt the physical body "dangerously so" by stirring up dormant
BTs.

Series 22
   A cluster of BTs can shut off nerve channels which can cause
deafness or blindness - "when a cluster suddenly mocks up mass, it
shuts off nerve channels."  Extrapolating from this, one could
imagine many other illnesses caused by such a phenomenon, such as
blockage of the urinary tract.

Series 27
   BTs and clusters can effect a person's perception.
   BTs are acting as various illnesses.  Once audited away the illness
supposedly is gone.
   "BTs or clusters being 'negative'... probably are the root of
sickness."

Series 32
   "You can run into a cluster causing damage to the body."

   There are several quotes within the series which clearly state that
auditing can cure illnesses:

Series 2
   "Clears should be told they are at risk (of illness) until OTIII."

Series 3
   "If a guy has a bad secondary, or a bad injury, you handle that
with
Date/Locate [an auditing procedure using the e-meter]."

Series 26R
   "If ill or injured handle [w]ith an Assist (NOTs 3)"

Series 27
   "Body distortions" are cleared up.

Series 34
   "The above are the full steps and sequences for
...

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xenufrance  
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 More options Jan 7 2009, 4:22 am
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From: "xenufrance" <xenufra...@free.fr>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:22:58 +0100
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: Idiotic double talk by Tommy Davis re: "Travolta misconceptions"

"Eldon" <EldonB...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
d0bbd322-c921-4c57-b0db-83c0c0378...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28511424/
In response to the claim that the family might not have sought
appropriate, conventional medical treatment for Jett’s seizures, Tommy
Davis from Scientology International says that simply isn’t allowed
under Scientology practices.

“Scientologists seek conventional medical treatment for medical
conditions.

FULL SIZE LIE. Scientology forbids mostly anyy medical treatment, as it
forbids any wine, anything that could supposedly have any mental effect.

Then, if the crime cult had been logical, he should also have forbidden any
food, as foods have mental effects, happily enough. But Hubbard was'nt
interested in any mental effects unless that made him richer.

rScientologists use prescription drugs when physically ill
and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. The
church does not involve itself in the diagnosis or classification of
any medical condition,” says Davis.

(If you’re wondering how the church’s stance might apply to Tom
Cruise’s now-infamous argument with Matt Lauer of the use of anti-
depressants, Davis points out, “That centered around a psychological
diagnosis, not a medical diagnosis, there’s a distinction.”)
------
Ah, that explains it. Tommy Cruse must have been upset because a
psychologist illegally prescribed Paxil for Brook Shields instead of
getting a psychiatrist to do it. But wait a minute -- psychiatrists
are medical doctors, which is why they can prescribe psych drugs just
like your family GP... or doesn't Tommy D. know the difference?

This begs further explanation by someone of Miscavige stature -- and
perhaps even a quote from LRH.


 
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