Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and unthinking. The victim looks for an authority figure who will make everything OK again. The victim becomes a demanding child.
Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality! Most of the evil done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as victims. Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a thousand years ago by the crusades. Do you think the extremists ever want these wounds to heal? Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and himself as victims.
People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders to their death rather than lose it.
Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious war against it. In reality this war was created by the Church partly to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the Church and an eventual world wide ban.
On 15 Juli, 05:16, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Oh how people love to be victims!
Indeed they do...
> Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and > unthinking. The victim looks for an authority figure who will make > everything OK again. The victim becomes a demanding child.
Yeah, we see this everywhere.
> Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality! Most of the evil > done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as > victims. Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a > thousand years ago by the crusades. Do you think the extremists ever > want these wounds to heal? Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and > himself as victims.
For sure it is not limited by these.
> People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders > to their death rather than lose it.
Yes.
> Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious > war against it.
Did you study and verify history to see if there is reason for it??
>In reality this war was created by the Church partly > to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
So how does that work, support please.
> There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
> VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION > leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
> The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership > do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the > Church and an eventual world wide ban.
Start properly supporting please, more than every you are up there in the sky...
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Richard Ford
<doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: >Oh how people love to be victims!
Horseshit.
If you've ever been robbed, you know this is horseshit. This is Scientology thought, and very key in cult thought. It's an attitude that justifies victimizing people, and if you're not a victimizer then justifies not helping the victims.
There may be *some* kinds of victims that love being those kinds of victims, but seriously, how many people really love to be victims of humiliation? Do you?
How about victims of poverty. Do you really think that people are really looking forward to being real victims of real poverty as soon as possible.
How about victims of murder? In Heaven they might be overjoyed that someone shot them in the body so they could go off and love everything forever or whatever. But, again seriously, as far as living people loving the expectation of being a murder victim, I'll bet you'll find that people, almost universally, don't.
I would imagine that fakes would, in some contorted way, love to be fake victims, but fake victims are very different from actual victims.
I trust you will, if you're real, rethink what you've stated here.
>Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and >unthinking.
Bullshit.
This is not a rule or reality at all. Some people who have been victimized might do as you say, and of course the victimizers love their victims to become passive and unthinking.
But victims can have virtually any human response to their victimizers.
Miscavige, everyone in his cabal, the cult as a set of corporations, virtually every Scientology cultist that supports the cult, plus a bunch of their nasty wog professionals, have victimized me ever since I left the cult 27+ years ago.
Hubbard and his cabal victimized me for 12+ years before that.
I am a victim of the cult and Scientologists, Hubbard and Miscavige on down. I am a victim of them temporally, jurisprudentially, financially, socially, relationally and psychologically. If you honestly believe that my believing I am victim made me become passive and unthinking, your research is below suspect.
You can make your paradigm or postulates or delusions work, by redefining the word victim. Doing that, you could strip the word from all languages to make a victimless world. Rather than confront the frigging victimizers.
Here's an online definition:
1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite2: one that is acted on and usu. adversely affected by a force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a (1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim> (2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b: one that is tricked or duped <a con man's victim> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
Your definition for victim isn't in English dictionaries, yet.
>The victim looks for an authority figure who will make >everything OK again.
Goat shit. You might if you were victimized, because maybe that's your experience. Or maybe you've never been victimized.
Let's say that Miscavige beats someone. The person's a victim and Miscavige is the victimizer. Some of the authority figures that can help DM's beating victim are law enforcement, attorneys and judges. And in fact they should be looked for.
But very few victims actually believe that anyone can make everything OK again. You've mocked up here a bunch of straw victims.
>The victim becomes a demanding child.
Sheep shit. Miscavige's underlings have physically assaulted me on several occasions. I was the victim of those assaults. I am the present victim of a massive Fair Game campaign that Miscavige's underlings execute for him. Do you really think you can reduce the world's victims to "demanding children" with a childish inanity?
Nice for you to be superior to the world's victims. Easy to dispense with their demands -- like for safety, justice, fairness, honesty, decency, facts, evidence, reason -- if the demanders are just demanding children.
>Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality!
What is that? Is that a meme that uses your and Scientology's definition of "victim," a definition missing from English dictionaries?
How about the rape paradigm? Do all rape victims have a victim mentality? And what makes rape victims' mentalities so powerful people need to be warned not to underestimate them.
>Most of the evil >done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as >victims.
Chicken shit. The evil is done by victimizers.
Sure, lots of victimizers view themselves as victims. That's the sociopaths' logic.
>Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a >thousand years ago by the crusades.
That evidences the awful effect of victimizing people.
>Do you think the extremists ever >want these wounds to heal?
What? Are you now equating victims with extremists? Fascinating, because the cult also equates its victims with, or labels its victims, "extremists."
And speaking of the cult, if you believe it doesn't victimize people and produce victims, why bother "criticizing" it? So you can criticize its victims?
>Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and >himself as victims.
Well sure, because he was a sociopath. He was also a monstrous victimizer, who had many victims. And not all of those victims were victimizers.
>People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders >to their death rather than lose it.
You are so full of shit. You pull this out of your ass, and still you're full of shit. Or you've embraced sociopaths' logic.
You seem to be claiming that you've never been a victim -- of a bully, of a liar, of betrayal, of an illness, of an accident, of anything.
Now if I say you're a liar, or how about if I say you're nuts, or worse if I say you're so juvenile I seriously doubt you'll get just how juvenile you are, you wouldn't be the victim of ad hominem argument would you?
>Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious >war against it.
No, the cult doesn't call what its victims are doing in response to its victimizing a "religious war." After all, the cultists call their victims *anti-religious* extremists.
The cultists certainly call what they are waging on their victims a religious war.
And certainly the Scientologists, virtually universally portray themselves falsely as victims. But so do sociopaths of every cult, nation, color, creed, or gender universally.
This is not, however, a legitimate reason to redefine "victim" to accommodate the victimizers and facilitate more victimizing.
>In reality this war was created by the Church partly >to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
>There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
>VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION >leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
Goose shit. You're blaming the victims for having a "victim identity" plus blaming them for all the crimes against the world. And in your "cycle," victimizers are missing.
Are you victimizing us with all this shit?
>The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership >do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the >Church and an eventual world wide ban.
Redo your paradigm or "cycle" to begin with the cultists' FAKE VICTIM IDENTITY and see if it works.
But your cycle for ACTUAL VICTIMS is a load, and I trust you'll rethink this whole post.
Depending on how you react to being straightened out about your misinformation I'll know whether you think I've victimized you. If so, and you stick to your pronouncements about what victims will do, then I'm to expect you'll start committing crimes against the world pretty quick, right?
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Richard Ford
> <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >Oh how people love to be victims!
> Horseshit.
> If you've ever been robbed, you know this is horseshit. This is > Scientology thought, and very key in cult thought. It's an attitude > that justifies victimizing people, and if you're not a victimizer then > justifies not helping the victims.
> There may be *some* kinds of victims that love being those kinds of > victims, but seriously, how many people really love to be victims of > humiliation? Do you?
> How about victims of poverty. Do you really think that people are > really looking forward to being real victims of real poverty as soon > as possible.
> How about victims of murder? In Heaven they might be overjoyed that > someone shot them in the body so they could go off and love everything > forever or whatever. But, again seriously, as far as living people > loving the expectation of being a murder victim, I'll bet you'll find > that people, almost universally, don't.
> I would imagine that fakes would, in some contorted way, love to be > fake victims, but fake victims are very different from actual victims.
> I trust you will, if you're real, rethink what you've stated here.
> >Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and > >unthinking.
> Bullshit.
> This is not a rule or reality at all. Some people who have been > victimized might do as you say, and of course the victimizers love > their victims to become passive and unthinking.
> But victims can have virtually any human response to their > victimizers.
> Miscavige, everyone in his cabal, the cult as a set of corporations, > virtually every Scientology cultist that supports the cult, plus a > bunch of their nasty wog professionals, have victimized me ever since > I left the cult 27+ years ago.
> Hubbard and his cabal victimized me for 12+ years before that.
> I am a victim of the cult and Scientologists, Hubbard and Miscavige on > down. I am a victim of them temporally, jurisprudentially, > financially, socially, relationally and psychologically. If you > honestly believe that my believing I am victim made me become passive > and unthinking, your research is below suspect.
> You can make your paradigm or postulates or delusions work, by > redefining the word victim. Doing that, you could strip the word from > all languages to make a victimless world. Rather than confront the > frigging victimizers.
> Here's an online definition:
> 1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a > religious rite2: one that is acted on and usu. adversely affected by a > force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a > (1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of > various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> > <a murder victim> (2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, > or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b: one that > is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
> Your definition for victim isn't in English dictionaries, yet.
> >The victim looks for an authority figure who will make > >everything OK again.
> Goat shit. You might if you were victimized, because maybe that's your > experience. Or maybe you've never been victimized.
> Let's say that Miscavige beats someone. The person's a victim and > Miscavige is the victimizer. Some of the authority figures that can > help DM's beating victim are law enforcement, attorneys and judges. > And in fact they should be looked for.
> But very few victims actually believe that anyone can make everything > OK again. You've mocked up here a bunch of straw victims.
> >The victim becomes a demanding child.
> Sheep shit. Miscavige's underlings have physically assaulted me on > several occasions. I was the victim of those assaults. I am the > present victim of a massive Fair Game campaign that Miscavige's > underlings execute for him. Do you really think you can reduce the > world's victims to "demanding children" with a childish inanity?
> Nice for you to be superior to the world's victims. Easy to dispense > with their demands -- like for safety, justice, fairness, honesty, > decency, facts, evidence, reason -- if the demanders are just > demanding children.
> >Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality!
> What is that? Is that a meme that uses your and Scientology's > definition of "victim," a definition missing from English > dictionaries?
> How about the rape paradigm? Do all rape victims have a victim > mentality? And what makes rape victims' mentalities so powerful people > need to be warned not to underestimate them.
> >Most of the evil > >done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as > >victims.
> Chicken shit. The evil is done by victimizers.
> Sure, lots of victimizers view themselves as victims. That's the > sociopaths' logic.
> >Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a > >thousand years ago by the crusades.
> That evidences the awful effect of victimizing people.
> >Do you think the extremists ever > >want these wounds to heal?
> What? Are you now equating victims with extremists? Fascinating, > because the cult also equates its victims with, or labels its victims, > "extremists."
> And speaking of the cult, if you believe it doesn't victimize people > and produce victims, why bother "criticizing" it? So you can criticize > its victims?
> >Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and > >himself as victims.
> Well sure, because he was a sociopath. He was also a monstrous > victimizer, who had many victims. And not all of those victims were > victimizers.
> >People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders > >to their death rather than lose it.
> You are so full of shit. You pull this out of your ass, and still > you're full of shit. Or you've embraced sociopaths' logic.
> You seem to be claiming that you've never been a victim -- of a bully, > of a liar, of betrayal, of an illness, of an accident, of anything.
> Now if I say you're a liar, or how about if I say you're nuts, or > worse if I say you're so juvenile I seriously doubt you'll get just > how juvenile you are, you wouldn't be the victim of ad hominem > argument would you?
> >Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious > >war against it.
> No, the cult doesn't call what its victims are doing in response to > its victimizing a "religious war." After all, the cultists call their > victims *anti-religious* extremists.
> The cultists certainly call what they are waging on their victims a > religious war.
> And certainly the Scientologists, virtually universally portray > themselves falsely as victims. But so do sociopaths of every cult, > nation, color, creed, or gender universally.
> This is not, however, a legitimate reason to redefine "victim" to > accommodate the victimizers and facilitate more victimizing.
> >In reality this war was created by the Church partly > >to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
> >There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
> >VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION > >leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
> Goose shit. You're blaming the victims for having a "victim identity" > plus blaming them for all the crimes against the world. And in your > "cycle," victimizers are missing.
> Are you victimizing us with all this shit?
> >The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership > >do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the > >Church and an eventual world wide ban.
> Redo your paradigm or "cycle" to begin with the cultists' FAKE VICTIM > IDENTITY and see if it works.
> But your cycle for ACTUAL VICTIMS is a load, and I trust you'll > rethink this whole post.
> Depending on how you react to being straightened out about your > misinformation I'll know whether you think I've victimized you. If so, > and you stick to your pronouncements about what victims will do, then > I'm to expect you'll start committing crimes against the world pretty > quick, right?
I was talking about the IDENTITY of victim. I have seen talented people piss away their lives on this- 'my ancestor was a slave so why should I try' mentality.
Scientology sells a victim mentality to its own people. 'Poor poor us'
Of course if someone hurts you... you do something about it.
<doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: >On Jul 18, 10:21 pm, Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Richard Ford
>> <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >Oh how people love to be victims!
>> Horseshit.
>> If you've ever been robbed, you know this is horseshit. This is >> Scientology thought, and very key in cult thought. It's an attitude >> that justifies victimizing people, and if you're not a victimizer then >> justifies not helping the victims.
>> There may be *some* kinds of victims that love being those kinds of >> victims, but seriously, how many people really love to be victims of >> humiliation? Do you?
>> How about victims of poverty. Do you really think that people are >> really looking forward to being real victims of real poverty as soon >> as possible.
>> How about victims of murder? In Heaven they might be overjoyed that >> someone shot them in the body so they could go off and love everything >> forever or whatever. But, again seriously, as far as living people >> loving the expectation of being a murder victim, I'll bet you'll find >> that people, almost universally, don't.
>> I would imagine that fakes would, in some contorted way, love to be >> fake victims, but fake victims are very different from actual victims.
>> I trust you will, if you're real, rethink what you've stated here.
>> >Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and >> >unthinking.
>> Bullshit.
>> This is not a rule or reality at all. Some people who have been >> victimized might do as you say, and of course the victimizers love >> their victims to become passive and unthinking.
>> But victims can have virtually any human response to their >> victimizers.
>> Miscavige, everyone in his cabal, the cult as a set of corporations, >> virtually every Scientology cultist that supports the cult, plus a >> bunch of their nasty wog professionals, have victimized me ever since >> I left the cult 27+ years ago.
>> Hubbard and his cabal victimized me for 12+ years before that.
>> I am a victim of the cult and Scientologists, Hubbard and Miscavige on >> down. I am a victim of them temporally, jurisprudentially, >> financially, socially, relationally and psychologically. If you >> honestly believe that my believing I am victim made me become passive >> and unthinking, your research is below suspect.
>> You can make your paradigm or postulates or delusions work, by >> redefining the word victim. Doing that, you could strip the word from >> all languages to make a victimless world. Rather than confront the >> frigging victimizers.
>> Here's an online definition:
>> 1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a >> religious rite2: one that is acted on and usu. adversely affected by a >> force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a >> (1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of >> various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> >> <a murder victim> (2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, >> or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b: one that >> is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
>> Your definition for victim isn't in English dictionaries, yet.
>> >The victim looks for an authority figure who will make >> >everything OK again.
>> Goat shit. You might if you were victimized, because maybe that's your >> experience. Or maybe you've never been victimized.
>> Let's say that Miscavige beats someone. The person's a victim and >> Miscavige is the victimizer. Some of the authority figures that can >> help DM's beating victim are law enforcement, attorneys and judges. >> And in fact they should be looked for.
>> But very few victims actually believe that anyone can make everything >> OK again. You've mocked up here a bunch of straw victims.
>> >The victim becomes a demanding child.
>> Sheep shit. Miscavige's underlings have physically assaulted me on >> several occasions. I was the victim of those assaults. I am the >> present victim of a massive Fair Game campaign that Miscavige's >> underlings execute for him. Do you really think you can reduce the >> world's victims to "demanding children" with a childish inanity?
>> Nice for you to be superior to the world's victims. Easy to dispense >> with their demands -- like for safety, justice, fairness, honesty, >> decency, facts, evidence, reason -- if the demanders are just >> demanding children.
>> >Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality!
>> What is that? Is that a meme that uses your and Scientology's >> definition of "victim," a definition missing from English >> dictionaries?
>> How about the rape paradigm? Do all rape victims have a victim >> mentality? And what makes rape victims' mentalities so powerful people >> need to be warned not to underestimate them.
>> >Most of the evil >> >done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as >> >victims.
>> Chicken shit. The evil is done by victimizers.
>> Sure, lots of victimizers view themselves as victims. That's the >> sociopaths' logic.
>> >Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a >> >thousand years ago by the crusades.
>> That evidences the awful effect of victimizing people.
>> >Do you think the extremists ever >> >want these wounds to heal?
>> What? Are you now equating victims with extremists? Fascinating, >> because the cult also equates its victims with, or labels its victims, >> "extremists."
>> And speaking of the cult, if you believe it doesn't victimize people >> and produce victims, why bother "criticizing" it? So you can criticize >> its victims?
>> >Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and >> >himself as victims.
>> Well sure, because he was a sociopath. He was also a monstrous >> victimizer, who had many victims. And not all of those victims were >> victimizers.
>> >People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders >> >to their death rather than lose it.
>> You are so full of shit. You pull this out of your ass, and still >> you're full of shit. Or you've embraced sociopaths' logic.
>> You seem to be claiming that you've never been a victim -- of a bully, >> of a liar, of betrayal, of an illness, of an accident, of anything.
>> Now if I say you're a liar, or how about if I say you're nuts, or >> worse if I say you're so juvenile I seriously doubt you'll get just >> how juvenile you are, you wouldn't be the victim of ad hominem >> argument would you?
>> >Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious >> >war against it.
>> No, the cult doesn't call what its victims are doing in response to >> its victimizing a "religious war." After all, the cultists call their >> victims *anti-religious* extremists.
>> The cultists certainly call what they are waging on their victims a >> religious war.
>> And certainly the Scientologists, virtually universally portray >> themselves falsely as victims. But so do sociopaths of every cult, >> nation, color, creed, or gender universally.
>> This is not, however, a legitimate reason to redefine "victim" to >> accommodate the victimizers and facilitate more victimizing.
>> >In reality this war was created by the Church partly >> >to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
>> >There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
>> >VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION >> >leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
>> Goose shit. You're blaming the victims for having a "victim identity" >> plus blaming them for all the crimes against the world. And in your >> "cycle," victimizers are missing.
>> Are you victimizing us with all this shit?
>> >The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership >> >do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the >> >Church and an eventual world wide ban.
>> Redo your paradigm or "cycle" to begin with the cultists' FAKE VICTIM >> IDENTITY and see if it works.
>> But your cycle for ACTUAL VICTIMS is a load, and I trust you'll >> rethink this whole post.
>> Depending on how you react to being straightened out about your >> misinformation I'll know whether you think I've victimized you. If so, >> and you stick to your pronouncements about what victims will do, then >> I'm to expect you'll start committing crimes against the world pretty >> quick, right?
>I was talking about the IDENTITY of victim. I have seen talented >people piss away their lives on this- 'my ancestor was a slave so why >should I try' mentality.
>Scientology sells a victim mentality to its own people. 'Poor poor us'
That would be a fake victim mentality. And yes, Scientologists do buy it.
And universally, they do use their fake victim mentality to make themselves real victimizers of real people.
>Of course if someone hurts you... you do something about it.
Sure. If you can. Miscavige, the biggest victimizer among Scientology's army of victimizers, has all sorts of underlings to make sure he never has to account for all his victimizing. Will he and his underling victimizers murder their victims to prevent themselves from ever being held accountable for all their victimizing of their victims? Sure. It would be irresponsible to not acknowledge his murderous intentions.
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Richard Ford
> <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 18, 10:21 pm, Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Richard Ford
> >> <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >Oh how people love to be victims!
> >> Horseshit.
> >> If you've ever been robbed, you know this is horseshit. This is > >> Scientology thought, and very key in cult thought. It's an attitude > >> that justifies victimizing people, and if you're not a victimizer then > >> justifies not helping the victims.
> >> There may be *some* kinds of victims that love being those kinds of > >> victims, but seriously, how many people really love to be victims of > >> humiliation? Do you?
> >> How about victims of poverty. Do you really think that people are > >> really looking forward to being real victims of real poverty as soon > >> as possible.
> >> How about victims of murder? In Heaven they might be overjoyed that > >> someone shot them in the body so they could go off and love everything > >> forever or whatever. But, again seriously, as far as living people > >> loving the expectation of being a murder victim, I'll bet you'll find > >> that people, almost universally, don't.
> >> I would imagine that fakes would, in some contorted way, love to be > >> fake victims, but fake victims are very different from actual victims.
> >> I trust you will, if you're real, rethink what you've stated here.
> >> >Once a person believes he is a victim he becomes passive and > >> >unthinking.
> >> Bullshit.
> >> This is not a rule or reality at all. Some people who have been > >> victimized might do as you say, and of course the victimizers love > >> their victims to become passive and unthinking.
> >> But victims can have virtually any human response to their > >> victimizers.
> >> Miscavige, everyone in his cabal, the cult as a set of corporations, > >> virtually every Scientology cultist that supports the cult, plus a > >> bunch of their nasty wog professionals, have victimized me ever since > >> I left the cult 27+ years ago.
> >> Hubbard and his cabal victimized me for 12+ years before that.
> >> I am a victim of the cult and Scientologists, Hubbard and Miscavige on > >> down. I am a victim of them temporally, jurisprudentially, > >> financially, socially, relationally and psychologically. If you > >> honestly believe that my believing I am victim made me become passive > >> and unthinking, your research is below suspect.
> >> You can make your paradigm or postulates or delusions work, by > >> redefining the word victim. Doing that, you could strip the word from > >> all languages to make a victimless world. Rather than confront the > >> frigging victimizers.
> >> Here's an online definition:
> >> 1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a > >> religious rite2: one that is acted on and usu. adversely affected by a > >> force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a > >> (1): one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of > >> various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> > >> <a murder victim> (2): one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, > >> or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b: one that > >> is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim
> >> Your definition for victim isn't in English dictionaries, yet.
> >> >The victim looks for an authority figure who will make > >> >everything OK again.
> >> Goat shit. You might if you were victimized, because maybe that's your > >> experience. Or maybe you've never been victimized.
> >> Let's say that Miscavige beats someone. The person's a victim and > >> Miscavige is the victimizer. Some of the authority figures that can > >> help DM's beating victim are law enforcement, attorneys and judges. > >> And in fact they should be looked for.
> >> But very few victims actually believe that anyone can make everything > >> OK again. You've mocked up here a bunch of straw victims.
> >> >The victim becomes a demanding child.
> >> Sheep shit. Miscavige's underlings have physically assaulted me on > >> several occasions. I was the victim of those assaults. I am the > >> present victim of a massive Fair Game campaign that Miscavige's > >> underlings execute for him. Do you really think you can reduce the > >> world's victims to "demanding children" with a childish inanity?
> >> Nice for you to be superior to the world's victims. Easy to dispense > >> with their demands -- like for safety, justice, fairness, honesty, > >> decency, facts, evidence, reason -- if the demanders are just > >> demanding children.
> >> >Never underestimate the power of a victim mentality!
> >> What is that? Is that a meme that uses your and Scientology's > >> definition of "victim," a definition missing from English > >> dictionaries?
> >> How about the rape paradigm? Do all rape victims have a victim > >> mentality? And what makes rape victims' mentalities so powerful people > >> need to be warned not to underestimate them.
> >> >Most of the evil > >> >done throughout history was done by people who viewed themselves as > >> >victims.
> >> Chicken shit. The evil is done by victimizers.
> >> Sure, lots of victimizers view themselves as victims. That's the > >> sociopaths' logic.
> >> >Islamic Fundamentalism is still nursing the wounds created a > >> >thousand years ago by the crusades.
> >> That evidences the awful effect of victimizing people.
> >> >Do you think the extremists ever > >> >want these wounds to heal?
> >> What? Are you now equating victims with extremists? Fascinating, > >> because the cult also equates its victims with, or labels its victims, > >> "extremists."
> >> And speaking of the cult, if you believe it doesn't victimize people > >> and produce victims, why bother "criticizing" it? So you can criticize > >> its victims?
> >> >Adolph Hitler also saw both Germany and > >> >himself as victims.
> >> Well sure, because he was a sociopath. He was also a monstrous > >> victimizer, who had many victims. And not all of those victims were > >> victimizers.
> >> >People love their victim status so much that they will follow leaders > >> >to their death rather than lose it.
> >> You are so full of shit. You pull this out of your ass, and still > >> you're full of shit. Or you've embraced sociopaths' logic.
> >> You seem to be claiming that you've never been a victim -- of a bully, > >> of a liar, of betrayal, of an illness, of an accident, of anything.
> >> Now if I say you're a liar, or how about if I say you're nuts, or > >> worse if I say you're so juvenile I seriously doubt you'll get just > >> how juvenile you are, you wouldn't be the victim of ad hominem > >> argument would you?
> >> >Scientology claims victim status by claiming that there is a religious > >> >war against it.
> >> No, the cult doesn't call what its victims are doing in response to > >> its victimizing a "religious war." After all, the cultists call their > >> victims *anti-religious* extremists.
> >> The cultists certainly call what they are waging on their victims a > >> religious war.
> >> And certainly the Scientologists, virtually universally portray > >> themselves falsely as victims. But so do sociopaths of every cult, > >> nation, color, creed, or gender universally.
> >> This is not, however, a legitimate reason to redefine "victim" to > >> accommodate the victimizers and facilitate more victimizing.
> >> >In reality this war was created by the Church partly > >> >to maintain a victim status among its own membership.
> >> >There is actually a cycle of victim hood.
> >> >VICTIM IDENTITY leads to CRIMES AGAINST THE WORLD leads to RETALIATION > >> >leads to VICTIM IDENTITY leads to (and so on)
> >> Goose shit. You're blaming the victims for having a "victim identity" > >> plus blaming them for all the crimes against the world. And in your > >> "cycle," victimizers are missing.
> >> Are you victimizing us with all this shit?
> >> >The Church of Scientology is locked into this cycle. If the membership > >> >do not wake up it can only lead to greater and greater crimes by the > >> >Church and an eventual world wide ban.
> >> Redo your paradigm or "cycle" to begin with the cultists' FAKE VICTIM > >> IDENTITY and see if it works.
> >> But your cycle for ACTUAL VICTIMS is a load, and I trust you'll > >> rethink this whole post.
> >> Depending on how you react to being straightened out about your > >> misinformation I'll know whether you think I've victimized you. If so, > >> and you stick to your pronouncements about what victims will do, then > >> I'm to expect you'll start committing crimes against the world pretty > >> quick, right?
> >I was talking about the IDENTITY of victim. I have seen talented > >people piss away their lives on this- 'my ancestor was a slave so why > >should I try' mentality.
> >Scientology sells a victim mentality to its own people. 'Poor poor us'
> That would be a fake victim mentality. And yes, Scientologists do buy > it.
> And universally, they do use their fake victim mentality to make > themselves real victimizers of real people.
> >Of course if someone hurts you... you do something about it.
> Sure. If you can. Miscavige, the biggest victimizer among > Scientology's army of victimizers, has all sorts of underlings to make > sure he never has to account for all his victimizing. Will he and his > underling victimizers murder their victims to prevent themselves from > ever being held accountable for all their victimizing of their > victims? Sure. It would be
