Gerry Armstrong the manipulator losing face completely and utterly
Spacetraveler
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bj1eg05s9212ciu1cmituqvrdno8c3tv0h%404ax.com
However it was too interesting to put it in some old thread, so I
created a whole new thread of it.
Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<bj1eg05s9212ciu1c...@4ax.com>...
> On 26 Jul 2004 14:31:13 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >The issue of HCOPL 21 July 1968 and this at least in writing
> >cancelling fair game practices has to do with that so far both Gerry
> >Armstrong and Fredric Rice avoid it's actual existence.
>
> What is so important about what I have to say that you have to lie
> about it? LF
>
> That reads. So what? LF
>
> There are only two reasons, related to each other, why I have not
> responded to any of your posts when I have not responded: your
> dishonesty and your pretended stupidity. I find you very dishonest.
> You have lied about me multiple times. I find your pretended stupidity
> so dominates your "communication" mode, that I now hold no hope
> whatsoever of engaging you in a real discussion. I find you such a
> liar, your pretended stupidity so obvious, and the targets of your
> lies also so obvious, that it makes no sense to assume you're other
> than a cult op, knowingly opped, co-opped or not.
There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer. And
that is the fact that it will put you in an uncomfortable position.
And there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON! Evasion
tactics noted!
The following REMAINS UNANSWERED!
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
> I will, as I'm moved and have the time, correct your lies.
Prove them to be lies, so far I disproved EVERY SINGLE ONE of your
manipulations.
> As you can clearly see, I am not avoiding the existence of any policy
> letter or other Scientology cult directive, policy or order of any
> kind. Your assertion that I am avoiding the existence of some policy
> letter is a lie. I am demonstrating right here that it is a lie.
You avoid to acknowledge to me what it actually says, furthermore you
fail to correct your website where you still avoid to mention this
very reference. Simple fact!
> As I
> said, I have avoided attempting to engage you in what is commonly
> understood to be real discussion, after attempting on numerous
> occasions to engage you in real discussions,
If have attempted to get you to finish off your communications with
me, which so far you fail to do. I repeat WHICH YOU SO FAR FAIL TO DO!
And that you even admit in the beginning remarks of your post.
Extensively you explain why you did not respond.
> because of your
> dishonesty and your pretended stupidity, which serve the Scientology
> cult's malevolent purposes.
The following REMAINS UNANSWERED!
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
Prove the policies of L. Ron Hubbard serving malevolent purposes. I am
consulting your understanding of the above in that communication. So
far you fail to respond. Simple observed FACT!
> It's not completely unhelpful that you lie so much, actually. If you'd
> told the truth you could make a point or two for Scientology and
> Scientologists. Now you simply reaffirm the knowledge that Scientology
> makes those able to prevaricate lie like a sidewalk.
You talk, and talk, and still say nothin'.
> >My argument
> >is that doing such even when made aware of these references is
> >'premeditated' dishonesty. Both still claim that the later Oct 1968
> >issue (which cancelled only the use of the name fair game) meant that
> >the message was given by L. Ron Hubbard was that one should continue
> >with fair gaming people, but only not name it fair game anymore. And
> >this attitude I regard as convenient manipulation.
>
> You are lying again. Where did I ever state that?
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1968-10-21-cancel-fair-game.html
Your website I believe?
You say there:
"Note: Hubbard's fair game doctrine, when he laid it out in his Policy
Letter of 18 October 1967, was quickly recognized by thinking
government officials, journalists and citizens as calling for violent,
illegal actions against the cult's "enemies." As a result, he issued
another Policy Letter dated 21 October 1968 entitled "Cancellation of
Fair Game," that the Miscavige regime insists cancelled this criminal
doctrine. But Hubbard was just fair gaming his "enemies" with his
"cancellation," just playing a trick on them. He "cancelled" the use
of the term "fair game" when declaring people "enemies" or "SPs," with
the cynical excuse that it caused bad PR, but he ordered that the same
"treatment" of those "enemies" continue as before. The Scientologists
in the Hubbard regime knew that the same violent, antisocial and
criminal actions were to be taken against these "enemies," the "SPs."
Fair game would continue, but it would not be called by that name.
GA"
The above gives your OWN words on you OWN website. I am lying, Gerry?
Get a grip on yourself!
L. Ron Hubbard did not play some trick as you proclaim, HCOPL 21 July
1968 EXISTS! DEAL with it!
> It is obvious that Hubbard ordered and enforced Fair Game at all
> times. There has never been a time since at least 1966 when Fair Game
> was not Scientology's basic philosophy, policy and practice. Fair Game
> is Scientology's basic philosophy, policy and practice regardless of
> what directives the cult has ever published that imply otherwise.
Unsupported opinion, which is entirely useless!
> You pretend ignorance of Fair Game. That's fine, because that's how
> much credibility your claims should be given. I have been recognized
> judicially as an expert in Fair Game, have testified concerning Fair
> Game in several legal proceedings, and written dozens of sworn expert
> declarations or affidavits concerning my knowledge and experiences of
> Fair Game.
I don't give a damn about what some court, legal proceedings and I
don't know what may or may not judicially 'recognize'. It is your
behaviour, your words on your website which decide that, and nothing
else. You the expert on Fair Game avoids completely the existence of
HCOPL 21 July 1968, which is factually cancelling the practice of Fair
Game. It cancels SPECIFICALLY Policy Letter of 18 October 1967, your
claimed Fair Game issue. And you don't know or want to know about this
issue and intead talk on your website like this issue does not exist?
YOU the EXPERT on FAIR GAME? Explain!
Do I smell some dishonesty here, Gerry?
> On the other pseudopod, you won't even reveal your name,
> and you only make the noise of an empty clam shell.
That my friend is my privilege.
> >Anything which is not being used is useless.
>
> A fine example of pretended stupidity. You base your lies on this kind
> of idiocy. Try using your brain.
Sorry, it is the fact of reality. A reality that you choose to not
face. May be got som'thin' to do with som' policy you don't want to
know 'bout, yeah, may be.
Please also explain to us HOW you misinterpreted 'criticism'.
I asked about you understanding about it in the communication you
conveniently AVOID to respond to.
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Spacetraveler
mimus
(Spacetraveler) wrote:
<snip>
Come off it, he's a "Kha Khan", appointed so by Elron Himself, so how
can he ever possibly lose face?
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
http://www.holysmoke.org/sm/tabayoyon.htm
I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson
http://www.holysmoke.org/lm/lm062.htm
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
http://www.skeptictank.org/handlars.htm
Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD
KSJ
(And, BTW: Xenu Xenu Xenu!)
Virginia McClaughry
Spacetraveler <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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realpch
>
> Fascinating.
You read this stuff?
Peach
Genesis
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
decided not to waste his time with you.
Hey doesn't your code of horror # 8 state don't give or recieve
communication
to a troll, unless you have absolutely nothing better to do ?
Could that be the reason troll, # 8, could it ? Dah
No other reason, geeeeeeeez what and idiot.
Genesis
--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.clambake.org
http://ThetaNews.da.ru
The Secrets of Scientology
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
Karin Spaink
http://www.spaink.net
Arnie Lerma
http://www.lermanet.com
Tilman Hausherr
http://www.snafu.de/tilman
Ron Newman
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/home.html
^ a historical look at the Co$ vs. the Internet
http://www.spaink.net/cos/rnewman/home.html
^ Netherlands mirror, courtesy of Karin Spaink
NARCONON-EXPOSED.ORG (Chris Owen)
http://www.narconon-exposed.org
ScientologyWatch.org
http://www.scientologywatch.org
Stop-Narconon.org
http://Stop-Narconon.org
roger gonnet
See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
fair-gamed.
r
Barbara Schwarz
I have been to the religiousfreedomwatch.org website frequently, Roger
Gonnet, and I have not seen one single lie yet. You just hate that
site as they list some of your evil deeds.
Barbara Schwarz
Spacetraveler
> Fascinating.
I take it that you are the person who questioned those 6 months
secchecks on OT VIIs. I've studied your experiences with great
interest, and can only admire your persistence, straightforwardness,
and living up to your integrity!
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> Virginia McClaughry wrote:
> >
> > Fascinating.
>
> You read this stuff?
See, if you are not wiling to read you will not find out about anything either.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
> there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
>
> Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
> decided not to waste his time with you.
The problem is that he himself several times wrote that he was very
eager to have such a communication with a Scientologist. At this time
he resorts to another method to cover up that in fact he chooses to
run!
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
>
> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
>
> Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
> write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
> fair-gamed.
I am not interested in your opinion. This is not the argument made.
However all I see is that Gerry is running here! This is something
that ALL can see here!
Also it is not my cult.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
They make up their OWN reality. Any sees what he or she wants to see.
They have made great effort to spin their cocoons. Hiding in those
cocoons they consider themselves being the great heroes. But they
don't dare to step outside of them for one single second.
But you can always expose them by their behaviour, for example right
here on this newsgroup.
Spacetraveler
realpch
I'm not real interested in these long arguments on minute particulars.
It's reminiscent of someone calling a friend and saying, "There's an
elephant in the living room." The friend says, "How do you know,
describe the animal", and then they go on arguing about the number of
hairs on the elephants back, as if that's going to decide whether or not
it's an elephant.
Peach
Barbara Schwarz
> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04072...@posting.google.com>...
> > "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> > > Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
> > >
> > > See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
> > > France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
> > > all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
> > > demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
> > >
> > > Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
> > > write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
> > > fair-gamed.
> > >
> > > r
> >
> >
> > I have been to the religiousfreedomwatch.org website frequently, Roger
> > Gonnet, and I have not seen one single lie yet. You just hate that
> > site as they list some of your evil deeds.
>
> They make up their OWN reality.
Most of what the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org has on its site are
facts. Facts that you can also otherwise find, e.g. in court
documents, in usenet archives on other websites, etc.
Truth is that the anti-religious extremists make their reality up and
claim that their fabrications would be what L. Ron Hubbard did or what
Scientology is all about and it is not. They and their case officers
are the spin doctors.
Barbara Schwarz
Android Cat
>
> Most of what the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org has on its site are
> facts. Facts that you can also otherwise find, e.g. in court
> documents, in usenet archives on other websites, etc.
Snippits of IRC "logs"? Those aren't proof of anything at all.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Zinj
spacetra...@hotmail.com says...
> "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> > Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
> >
> > See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
> > France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
> > all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
> > demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>
> Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
> argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
*Your* preferred argument is a mere distraction. Of course you'd prefer
that everyone else duplicate it, since it distracts from the core
*issue*, i.e. 'Is Fair Game still practiced'.
Of course, Scientology 'Policy Issues' are deliberately self-
contradictory, coyly disingenuous and multifarious for a very specific
*purpose*; and that is to allow the 'Church' (and Hubbard before it) to
do literally *anything* while claiming a basis in 'policy'.
Obvious to anyone willing to examine both 'the issues' *and* actual
practice is that the *practice* of Fair Game, whether against
Scientologists or non-Scientologists *never* ceased. Not under Hubbard,
and not under his heirs.
If you want 'duplication'; get thee to the Kinkos. So far you have not
even supported your *own* claim that Fair Game *practice* is itself
forbidden by 'policy', whether the use of the term is or not.
If you only want to talk about 'policy issues', that would be your first
start. It's a waste of time, since the *practice* quite obviously never
stopped, but if you can find people willing to argue about
irrelevancies, well, then duplicate away.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Gerry Armstrong
(Spacetraveler) wrote:
>Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04072...@posting.google.com>...
>> "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> > Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>> >
>> > See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>> > France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
>> > all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> > demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>> >
>> > Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
>> > write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
>> > fair-gamed.
>> >
>> > r
>>
>>
>> I have been to the religiousfreedomwatch.org website frequently, Roger
>> Gonnet, and I have not seen one single lie yet. You just hate that
>> site as they list some of your evil deeds.
>
>They make up their OWN reality.
Who or what, your SPness, are they? F
Oh, them! LFBD F/N WoW!
> Any sees what he or she wants to see.
Any is as any does, is that what you're saying?
>They have made great effort to spin their cocoons.
Holy larvae, Metaphorboy!
This has to be DM writing his own stuff.
> Hiding in those
>cocoons they consider themselves being the great heroes.
Flunk, Spacetroglodyte. They aren't hiding. And you've long since
overrun us with the wonky ellipsis. You're always leaving things
out.They're waiting to emerge as the great HEteROcErouS swarm.
> But they
>don't dare to step outside of them for one single second.
What a load, Spacetrainingseat. I am a wogŽ. I stepped outside of all
of that for twelve and a half years. You are such a little liar, you
must be DM. Who or what is a bigger little liar than David Miscavige?
X
On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
Miscavige, has anything been suppressed? tick
On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
Miscavige, has anything been invalidated? X
On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
Miscavige, has anything been not-ised? X
On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
Miscavige, has anything been abandoned? X
I'd like to indicate that the biggest little liar is David Miscavige.
F/N VGI's ind
Now let's get you to the Examiner.
>
>But you can always expose them by their behaviour, for example right
>here on this newsgroup.
Well, your needle's sure floating isn't it?
>
>Spacetraveler
Š Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
(Spacetraveler) wrote:
>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>>
>> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
>> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>
>Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
>argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
No, Spacetrunker, that is NOT the argument. That is a dead horse. You
go ahead and flog it for all it's worth. But it is not my argument.
It's probably not other people's arguments either.
And in any case, what on earth do you mean here by "argument?"
Go ahead and post all the "issues" you want.
But your sleazy, lying assertion that people who don't post or web
what *you* say they should are avoiding some argument, is, pure cult
op BS.
Why don't you apply that standard to yourself, Spacetransient? You've
been claiming that I said something about Fair Game, but you have not
quoted everything I've said about the subject. So go to my web site
and the Suppressive Person Defense League site and find everything
I've written about Fair Game on the sites and post it here. Otherwise,
using your own standard, it's conclusive proof that you're avoiding
the issue, or the argument, whatever that means. Here are the two
sites to search:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
The issue is Scientology's war on good people. You support and
prosecute the cult's war on good people. My intention is to win the
war because I want peace.
>
>>
>> Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
>> write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
>> fair-gamed.
>
>I am not interested in your opinion.
Of course you aren't. You can't be. You're a covert cult op, who hates
good people, and helps the Scientology cult wage war on them. If you
were interested in the opinions of the good people your cult wages war
on (also known as Fair Game, which is the standard war condition)
you'd yourself become a target of your little dictator Miscavige in
his sick war on good people.
> This is not the argument made.
Guess what, Spacetrillium, you do not get a set for me or anyone else
what argument is made, whatever that means. The issue is Scientology's
war on good people. You fair game good people to help the cult in its
dirty, dangerous war.
>However all I see is that Gerry is running here!
You don't see that at all. Not even in the heights of the highest
pretended stupidity you can pretend to can you see that. And that this
lie is *all* that you can see says a whole bunch for you, for your
cult, and for the efficacy of Scientology "tech." "Seeing" illusions
is what Scientologists call "keeping Scientology working" and "going
OT." It's not a very highly evolved state.
> This is something
>that ALL can see here!
Yes, scream, Spacetrouser. But no matter how loud you shout, it's
still a lie. ALL *cannot* see your illusions. I'll prove it here.
I am not running, as shown by the fact that I'm here on a.r.s.,
provide my real name, real address, real phone number, real photos,
real sworn statements of my real experiences. You on the other hand
provide no name, no address, no phone number, no photos, no sworn or
even unsworn statements of your real experiences. You attack with lies
and pretended stupidity from hiding.
Further, I can see that I'm not running. Therefore I have proven your
assertion that ALL can see what you say ALL can see is a lie.
>
>Also it is not my cult.
Well sure, it's David Miscavige's cult because Scientology is a
dictatorship and Miscavige is the dictator. But it's your cult in that
you support it in its war on good people.
Really, is there any other cult than the Scientology cult whose war on
good people you support?
No? Well then Scientology's your cult.
>
>Spacetraveler
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
(Spacetraveler) wrote:
>"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4108696e$1...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
>> there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
>>
>> Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
>> decided not to waste his time with you.
>
>The problem is that he himself several times wrote that he was very
>eager to have such a communication with a Scientologist.
You're lying again, Spacetrougher. I have never written even once that
I was very eager to have a communication which is a waste of time with
a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
You are an idiot to just to utter such an easily provable lie. But go
ahead, Spacetrawler, see if you can dredge up any of those several
times you assert that I wrote that I was very eager to have a
communication which is a waste of time with a Scientologist I think is
an idiot. No, Spacetraitor, you're just plain lying.
> At this time
>he resorts to another method to cover up that in fact he chooses to
>run!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. What a liar you are. You are a covert cult op, a
hater of good people, and a practitioner of the "Suppressive Person"
doctrine. That's why you lie about me. That's why you're hiding.
That's why you're attempting with all these attacks and lies to avoid
and obfuscate this pernicious doctrine.
Now watch very closely, Spacetruckler. This is a response to all your
posts. They are all now answered. I have answered you despite the fact
that I am not very eager to have a communication which is a waste of
time with a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
If you were to quit lying, Spacetrencher, communications to you would
quit being a waste if time, and you would also quit being an idiot
with whom no one with any brains would be very eager to communicate.
Being a cult op, however, under the little thumb of Nanodictator
Miscavige, you have no hope of ever quitting your lying. And hence
there's no hope that anyone with any brains would ever be very eager
to communicate with you.
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
wbarwell
> On 30 Jul 2004 02:20:27 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
> ................
> >
>>However all I see is that Gerry is running here!
>
> You don't see that at all. Not even in the heights of the highest
> pretended stupidity you can pretend to can you see that. And that this
> lie is *all* that you can see says a whole bunch for you, for your
> cult, and for the efficacy of Scientology "tech." "Seeing" illusions
> is what Scientologists call "keeping Scientology working" and "going
> OT." It's not a very highly evolved state.
>
The only person running is Space Traveler. I dug out the intel
training packs for GO (1974) and OSA (1991)
The 1974 checklist mandated star rating HCOPL 1 Mar 65.
Not some later watered down version, but the full blown
fair game law of 65.
Spece Traveler then avoided acknowledging the argument by the
usual net kook tactic of arguing a diversionary argument as to whether
star rating involves for pracytical purposes memorizing the star rated
item, which "letter perfect" as per the technical dictionary definition
so strongly implies.
He used that to try to argue aound teh fact GO was mandating Hubbard's
fair game laws and did in fact fair game people furiously.
I note later, after his death, DM took his cue from Hubbard's
GO, which in fact Hubbard was very well running from his
hotel room in Dunedin, to the point of personally creating, and taking
credit for the whole Snow White program.
Using the Amprinistics ED to sneak fair game as a policy into
OSA.
Space Travelor ran from the real issue. Fair game was never really
cancelled, remained policy, was explicitly made policy in GO, still is
policy following Hubbard's lead. As testified to by Budlong and Kember.
He dived out after nattering to distract us and now posts his hectoring
pseudochallnges while he has not completed out comm cycle on
the real record of fair game.
He broke ARC with me. Fact is, anybody with a brain who is not
utterly biased, who has not made a fetish out of Hubbard, who races
fair game policy, knows it never went away, and is still there following,
aping, "duplicating" Hubbard 39 years after he angrily created fair game
on 7 Mar 65.
12 year later it was reinstated, in its full glory, in his own little KGB
outfit, the GOWW.
Space Traveler has no intention of being honest here.
Never was, never will be.
It is instructive though. We have here a a man who is not even
willing to use his own name. Who uses all the tired old net pest
diversionary tactics that are so well known and obvious and
discredited and rejected by one and all, by anybody who cares
about facts and truth.
I still have stuff coming from helpful fairies to track fair game
issues, and the Time Line is still being worked on as I find
stuff.
Just grab a copy of the Time line, and slap it on him
until Space Travelor achieves a cognition.
He's strictly, like Barbara Schwarz, Dev-T.
Cheerful Charlie
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THE SCIENTOLOGY FAIR GAME TIMELINE
W. C. Barwell 7-3-04
Version II
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This Fair Game Timeline is copylefted 2004. This list may be freely
distributed or webbed. E-mail wbar...@mylinuxisp.com if you have
any items you might want to offer for possible inclusion on this list
or to point out typos or other errors.
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1950
"Dianetics - the Modern Science of Mental Health" first published
simultaneously as a two part article in Astounding Science Fiction
and as a full book.
"JUDICIAL ETHICS"
....
"An ideal society would be a society of unaberated persons, clears
conducting their lives within an unaberrated culture: for either the
persons or culture may be aberrated.
....
Perhaps at some distant date, only the unaberrated person will
be granted civil rights before the law."
[Here we can see at this early date Hubbard's dividing people
into two groups, scientologically processed people and lessor
persons who do not deserve civil rights. Later he would redefine
ethics to mean that which furthers Scientology's expansion
and define those who hinder that as unethical, as "Suppressive
Persons" or "Groups". SPs were labelled later as "Fair Game", without
rights. Here in the chapter "Judicial Ethics" we see the attitude
that has been the basis of fair game and similar policies of
Scientology were with Scientology from the beginning.]
- WCB
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1951
"Science of Survival"
"Such people should be taken from society and as rapidly
and uniformly institutionalized.
....
No social order which desires to survive dares overlook its stratum of
1.1s.
No social order will survive which does not remove these people from its
midst.
....
The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such
persons
from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and and the
general
turblence they bring to any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale,
or processing such persons until they have attained a level on the tone
scale
which gives them value."
[Some parts of Science of Survival would later be used in
"Introduction to Scientology Ethics", and the misleading
1951 copyright notice would be found in "Introduction to
Scientology Ethics" which was first actually published in 1968.]
- WCB
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1955
Manual of Dissemination of Materials
Collected from writings of Hubbard in Ability Magazine
"The DEFENSE of anything is untenable. The only way to defend
anything is to ATTACK, and if you forget that you will lose
every battle that you engage in, whether it is in terms of
personal conversation, public debate, or a court of law.
NEVER BE INTERESTED IN CHARGES. Do yourself, much
MORE CHARGINGS and you will WIN.
(Capitols in original)
"Should you ever be arrested for practicing Scientology,
treating people, make very sure long before the time comes that
you have never used drugs, or surgery, and have never prescribed
a diet, or vitamins, and when the times might come, make very
sure that you imediately and instantly, with two or three hours
after your receipt of that warrant, have served on the signer
of that warrant, a personal civil suit for $100,000.00 in
damages for causing a Man of God going about his business
in his proper professionand for bring about embarressing
publicity and molestation."
---------------
THE BRAIN WASHING MANUAL
A book written by Hubbard and published anonymously
as an attack on psychiatry.
[Thus by 1955 Hubbard was already playing dirty tricks.]
-WCB
http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brain-Washing-manual.html
http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg
http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-back.jpg
---------------
SCIENTOLOGY OPERATIONS BULLETIN 8
"The brainwashing manual that came into our hands so mysteriously,
is being released, not to unmock psychiatry, but as a necessary
piece of information..."
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1959
MANUAL OF JUSTICE
(Out of copyright now)
"Investigation by outside sources"
Overt investigation of someone or something
should by an outside detective agency should
be done more often and hang the expense."
****************************************************************************
1965
HCOPL 7 Mar 65 Issue 1
[Widely misdated as 1 Mar 65 but actually 7 Mar 65]
Suppressive Acts -Suppression of Scientology
and Scientologists - The Fair Game Law
"A suppressive person or group becomes fair game.
.......
The homes, property, places and abodes of people
who have been active in attempting to suppress
Scientology or scientologists are beyond all
protection of Scientology Ethics unless absolved
by later Ethics or an amnesty"
A truely suppressive person or Group has no rights
of any kind as Scientologists and actions taken
against them are not punishable under Scientology
Ethics codes."
[A webbed report on HCOPL 7 Mar 65, 23 Dec 65
and the subsequent versions and reissues,
"Scientology (R): The history of a Policy Letter -
A detailed study or the transformation of HCO PL
23 Dec 65 is webbed and is very good.]
- WCB
See: http://mccalcon.notlong.com
--------------
HCOPL 2 April 65
Administration Outside of Sciento,ogy
"You see, none is fair game until he
or she declares against us."
-------------
ETHICS ORDER
September 17, 1965
"Subject: suppressive Person
1. J.F. "Jack" Horner is hereby declared a suppressive person
for the reasons hereby given:
....
IV. Declared "Fair Game"
-------------
HCOPL 16 August 65
COLLECTIONS FROM SPs AND PTSs
"Civil Court action against SPs to collect monies
owed may be resorted to as they are fair game."
-------------
HCO Executive letter 27 Sept 65
AMPRINISTICS
"Treatment - They are fair game, can be sued or harassed.
...
(2) Harass these persons in any possible way.
....
(4) Tear up any meeting held and get names of
those attending and issue SP orders on them
and you'll get rid of a lot of rats."
-------------
HCOPL 23 December 65
Revised version of 7 March 65.
[Most inflammatory lines (See 7 Mar 65 above)
are dropped from this version.
Revised versions adding to list of "High Crimes"
were reissued 31 December 1979 as HCOPL 23 Dec 65R,
was itself cancelled and replaced by HCOPL 16 May 80 Issue II.
Reissued HCOPL 23 Dec 65RA (25 Aug 1988) and again
HCOPL 23 Dec 65RB (8 January 1991) and yet again as
HCOPL 7 March 65RB (4 November 2001)
See "The History of a Policy Letter etc."
See http:// macc...@notlong.com for the long and complex history
of this HCOPL.
- WCB
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1966
HCOPL 15 Feb 66
Attacks on Scientology
"(4) Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime, based
on actual evidence on the attackers to the press.
....
Don't ever submit tamely to an investigation
of us. Make it rough on the attackers all the way."
--------------
HCOPL 18 Feb 66
ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY - CONTINUED
"G.2.3 - Suits against sources of libel and slander."
--------------
HCOPL 17 Feb 66
Public Investigation Section
Limited Distribution
"(3) Collect as many case histories as possible on
individuals of that group specializing on those
that can be lead to criminal prosecution by state or
world agencies."
--------------
HCO Executive letter of 5 Sept 66
Subject: How to do a NOISY investigation.
"Soon as one of those threats start you
get a Scientologist or Scientologists to
investigate noisily."
[Source - The Foster Report]
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1967
HCOPL 18 Oct 67
Penalties for Lower Conditions
"Enemy -May be deprived of property or injured or
by any Scientologist without any discipline of
the Scientologists. May be tricked, lied to,
sued or destroyed."
[See HCOPL 21 July 68 updated version of this HCOPL]
- WCB
------------------
HCOPL 18 Oct 67
POLICY AND HCOB ALTERATIONS
HIGH CRIME
"Recently, during the reoganization of WW, it came
to light in some continental orgs ECE SECS an SECs
have an (sic) occasion actually ordered that certain Pol Ltrs
and HCOBs were not to be followed.
------------------------ (Original in italics)
....
Any executive issuing such an order shall hereafter be
considered as committing a high crime..."
[Source: Foster Report]
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1968
HCOPL 21 July 68
Penalties for Lower Conditions
(replaced ENEMY definition of HCOPL 18 Oct 67)
"ENEMY - Suppressive Person order. May not be
communicated with by anyone except and Ethics
Officer, a Master at Arms, a Hearing Officer,
or a board or committee. May be restrained or
imprisoned. May not be protected by any rules of
the group he sought to injure as he sought to
bar fair practices for others."
[Source: Foster Report]
------------
HCOPL 21 Oct 68
CANCELLATION OF FAIR GAME
"Fair Game may not appear on any
Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations.
This P/L does not cancel any treatment or
handling of an SP."
[Source: Foster Report]
--------------------------
29 November 1968
CODE OF REFORM
"1. Cancellation of discconnection as a relief to those suffering
from familial suppression.
2. Cancellation of security checking as a form of confession.
3. Prohibition of any confessional materials being written down.
4. Cancellation of declaring people Fair Game.
If you yourself have observed any further aspect of this Church's
activities that you feel calls for reform, please let us know.
29 November 1968
THE ACADEMY OF SCIENTOLOGY
THE HUBBARD GUIDANCE CENTRE"
[This Code of Reform is not signed by Hubbard but by seven
members of the "Board of Directors". But see HCOPL 7 Mar 69.]
-WCB
[Source: Dumbleton - Powles report, 3 February 1969]
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1969
3 February 1969
Dumbelton-Powles Report
New Zealand
This was a report of an investigation into Scientology in
New Zealand. It concentrated on Scientology disconnection
policies, and focused on Scientology in New Zealand rather
than general Scientology activities worldwide.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/nz-pref.html
----------------
HCOPL 16 Feb 69 Issue II
CONFIDENTIAL
BATTLE TACTICS
"One cuts off enemy communications, funds, connections.
He deprives the enemy of political advantages, comnnections and
power. He takes over enemy territory. He raids and harasses.
All on a thought plane - press, public opinion, governments, etc.
Seeing it as a battle, one can apply battle tactics to
thought actions."
...
"Never treat a war like a skirmish. Treat all skirmishes like
wars."
[This document shows Hubbard's attitudes towards critics.
This HCOPL will be reissued 24 September 1987. it is referenced
in the 8 Sept 74 and 1991 GO and OS intelligence training hat check
sheets.]
- WCB
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/pl-battle-tactics.html
........................................
HCOPL 16 Feb 69 Issue IV
CONFIDENTIAL
TARGETS, DEFENSE
"The Vital targets on which we must invest most
of our time are:
...
T1. Depopularizing the enemy to the point of total obliteration.
T2. taking over the control or allegience of the heads or proprieters
of all news media."
----------
HCOPL 7 Mar 69
[Name unknown at this time. I have not seen the whole HCOPL,
just excerpts from the Dumbleton-Powles report of 3 February
1969, which see. - WCB]
"The policy which cancels the policy of disconnection, cancellation
of the Fair Game law, the cancellation of security checks, and
no records allowed on confessional materials, plus the new code
of the Scientologist. have accomplished every reform suggested
to us. lets get the show on the road."
[Apparently this HCOPL, unlike the 29 Nov 68 "CODE OF REFORM
(which see) was signed by Hubbard.]
- WCB
HCOPL 2 Dec 69
Covert intelligence: Data Collection of December 2, 1969
"Essentially a covert operation is intended to embarress,
discredit, or overthrow or remove an actual or possible
opponent. it is a small war carried on without its true
source being disclosed."
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1970
Sectarian Healers and Hypnotherapy
A Study for the Committee on the Healing Arts.
By Professor Jonathan A. Lee - Ontario, Canada
Chapter 4 Scientology and Dianetics
"An incident which occured at the Toronto Organization in 1967
serves to illustrate how members are disciplined. Internal dissention
between two executives, both trained at Saint Hill. lead to one
charging the other with "high crimes against Scientology" and declaring
him a Suppressive person. Although the accused executive appealed to
Saint Hill for restitition, the appeal was rejected. A bulletin
labelled "The Fair Game Law"(issued by Hubbard) was posted on the
Toronto centre bulletin board for a few months.
It informed all Scientologists that any actions that they took that
otherwise might be offensive against Scientology standards, would
not so be considered when directed at SPs; these people were to be
regarded as "fair game" for any sort of attack.
See: http://xenu.ca/papers/lee.html
-----------------
HCOPL 6 Oct 70 Issue III
ETHICS PENALTIES
"The Following HCOPLs are cancelled:"
HCO PL 26 Sept '67 Conditions for Scn Orgs addition to
Applying Formulas.
HCO PL 18 Oct '67 issue IV Penalties for Lower Conditions.
HCO PL 20 Oct '67 issue II Conditions Penalties New Employees
and Persons Newly on Post
HCO PL6 Oct '67 Condition of Liability"
"The motto is, "Hat don't Hit".
[Purported by some to have cancelled "Fair Game",
This cancels HCOPL 18 Oct '67, but not HCOPL 21 July '68
That displaced HCOPL 18 Oct '67. The "ENEMY - Fair Game.."
provision of HCOPL 18 Oct '67 had made for very bad PR in
England in the press at that time, even getting attention in
the Parlement. See the 1994 Hana Whitfield declaration.]
- WCB
[Source: Foster report 1971]
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1971
Enquiry into the Practices and Effects of Scientology
(AKA The Foster Report)
[Chapter 7 "Scientology and its Enemies" has a good selection
of HCOPLs and related materials. Widely webbed.]
- WCB
See: http://xenu.net/archives/audit/foster07.html
****************************************************************************
1972
GO 011272 LRH
CONFIDENTIAL: Black Propaganda
"Black Propaganda is a covert communication of
false info intended to injure, impeded, or destroy the
activity or life of another person, group, or nation,
usually issued from a false or removed source from the
actual instigator."
....
Our propaganda is dirty, but it is not black
because it is true. Black Propaganda is essentially
false."
************************************************************************
1973
A new edition of "Introduction to Scientology Ethics"
is issued. All mentions of Fair Game are now removed
from this edition and subsequent editions to come.
*************************************************************************
1976
INTRODUCTION TO SCIENTOLOGY ETHICS is reprinted.
-----------
Spring 7 (otherwise undated)
OPERATION STREET MAN
[A document seized from Scientology in the 1977 FBI raids.]
"PROJECT INFO
B1 has enough terminals in the field in strategic positions
to bring about the decline of Gabe Cazares as a political
candidate both locally and nationally.
....
4. CONDITIONAL: Based on the successful results of Channels
A & B, the possibility of an amended complaint filed against
Cazares is to be looked over. It should be one in which the
City of CW is let off the hook in defense of Cazares as mayor
and directed to him as an individual. This will tie him up with
large legal committments and deny him funds for any campaign
bid in Frebruary for Mayor."
htttp://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/op.htm
----------------
Operation "SPEEDY GONZALES"
3 Mar 1976
A document seized in the FBI raids of July 1977 of
Scientology offices.
"SPEEDY GONZALES"
"MAJOR TARGET
To ruin Mayor Gabriel Cazares political career by spreading a
scandal about his sex life broadly.
...
Note: THIS IS TO BE SAID TO ALL SPOKEN TO:
"DID YOU HEAR THAT THE MAYOR OF CLEARWATER--CAZARES--IS
IS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITHH LARRY GALANTIS' MOTHER...HE'S
IN (CLASS)ie:Psych 201""
[This Fair Game operation against Clearwater, Florida Mayor
Gabe Cazares was discovered in papers seized in the 1977
FBI raid on scientology.]
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/ops.htm
----------------------
3 Mar 1976
Data #1 Re: Mayor Cazares
A document seized in the FBI raids of July, 1977 of
Scientology offices. Concerns Clearwater Mayor Gabe Cazares
"On either 13 March or 14 March, the mayor picked up a young
woman."
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/op.htm
-----------------------
3 Mar 1976
RE: ALPINE, TEXAS/CAZARES
A document seized by the FBI in July, 1977 in raids on
Scientoloy offices. Regarding Clearwater Mayor Gabe Cazares.
"Feb 25, mission fired to Alpine, Texas with major target
to provide documentations usable by legal and Info of the facts
surrounding the alleged birth of Gabriel Cazares there in Jan 31,
1920 with purpose of completing a standard B1 investigation
there to provide documented facts of use."
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/ops.htm
-------------------------------------
5 Mar 1976
RE: BASE
A documents seized in the FBI raids of July, 1977 of
Scientology offices. Concerns Clearwater Mayor Gabe Cazares
"He is working as well on getting 2d data on Cazares Mistress who
looks from the descrition like a perfect for us--rumored to be after
the mayor for financial consideration--mayor rumored to be devoted
to her."
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/op.htm
------------------
23 March 1976
ITALIAN FOG
One of two documents seize by the FBI in July, 1977 raids
on Scientoogy offices. Part II of ITALIAN FOG is dates
November 3, 1976.
"MAJOR TARGET: To discredit C W's Mayor and weaken his power in his
attacking actions at the Base.
VITAL TARGETS:
To locate a Mexican that can carry it without any negative kickbacks.
To get documentations mocked up and "planted".
....
5. When the above is done, recruit a Mexican FSM (one who
has done similar actions before ) See that the Docs are put in
proper files showing that the Mayor was married in Mexico
about 25 years ago. A Mexican girl will have to be dug up.
One that can't be located.
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/ops.htm
____________________________
1 April 1976
OPERATION FREAKOUT
Op Freakout Main Planning Document
This document was seized in the July 1977 FBI raid on Scientology
head quarters.
"MAJOR TARGET: To get P.C. (Paulette Cooper) incarcerated in a
mental institute or jail, or at least hit her so hard she drops
her attacks."
"I'm going to kill you basterds. I am going to bomb you.
Kissinger is a traitor. I am going to bomb him to."
[A GO document that describes how to frame Paulette Cooper for a
bomb threat, which plan was in fact carried out. There are at least
6 known Freak out documents. All are widely webbed in fascimile
form JPG) and as transcripts. Perhaps the most infamous fair game
operation from Scientology. This document lists 4 "channels",
that is, plans.
1. Call in bomb threats using somebody sounding like Cooper
to Arab Embassies.
2. Creating written bomb threats and mailing them to frame Cooper.
3. Having an agent impersonating Cooper make bomb threats at a
laundry mat so it is called in to police.
4. Having an agent calling the FBI after 3. to make sure it
is investigated.]
- WCB
http://home/snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/
----------
5 April 76
Re: P.C. Operation
A GO document planning action against Paulette Cooper
This document was seized in the July, 1977 FBI raid on Scientology
headquarters.
"P.C. has been arrested before for bomb threats against the C of S.
We reinforce this backround and get her arrested."
[This document had one "channel" or plan, to hae an agent
impersonating Cooper "act crazy" at a laundry mat and make
bomb threats.]
- WCB
http://home/snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper
------------
13 April 1976
RE: P.C. OP FREAKOUT
This document was seized in the July, 1977 FBI raid on Scientology
offices.
"Attached is approve Op Freakout. This additional channel
should really have her put away.
...
2) Drunk takes sheet with lovelies' prints (fingerprints)
to AG 1 (agent 1) beng sure to get no prints on it.
.....
3) Write the following letter on a library typewriter and address
the envelope to Kissinger in Wash. DC on the same typewriter."
[This "Op" had one channel" or plan, to obtain Cooper's
fingerprints by ruse on a blank sheet of paper and use
that to type a bomb threat and mail it to Henry Kissinger.]
- WCB
http://home/snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/
------------
ALLARD APPEAL
58 Cal. App 3d 453
Hearing Denied
July 15, 1976
"-----------------------footnote-----------------------
(4.) The trial court gave appellant almost the
entire trail within which to produce evidence that the
fair game policy had been repealed. Appellant failed to
do so, and so the trial court thereafter permitted the
admission of Exhibit 1 into evidence.
--------------------------------------------------------"
------------
3 Nov 76
ITALIAN FOG II
A document seized by the FBI in the July, 1977 raids on
Scientology Offices. Concerning Clearwater Mayor Gabe Cazares.
"MAJOR TARGET: To discredit CW's Mayor and weaken his power in
his attacks at base by reducing his credibility.
VITAL TARGETS: To locate a Mexican who can carry this
project out without any kickbacks. Recruit him and train him.
....
To get the documentations mocked up and "planted".
....
* NOTE: AS PART OF THE SECURITY - IF A BRIBE IS USED
DATA SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE PERSON ACCEPTING THE BRIBE
TO PINPOINT A FALSE WHO IN HIS MIND IDEALLY ONE OF THE MAYOR'S
DEADLY ENEMIES SO THAT IF TEH OPS GETS BLOWN UP TO THE PERSON
WHO WAS BRIBED THAT PERSONS WOULD GIVE DATA ON THE PLANTED WHO
AND S. WOULD NEVER COME UP."
http://spaink.net/cos/SecrServ/ops/ops.htm
3 Nov 1976
COMPLIANCE REPORT
A document seized by the FBI in July, 1976 in a raid
on Scientology offices. Regarding Clearwater Mayor Gabe Cazares.
"Many actions have been done on this target which have brought about
a product as called for in the target. Phone calls, 3P letters,
spreading rumors inside his camp, contributing to disorganization
in his camp, giving data to Young on Cazares, all contrbute
to a final outcome with the headline.."YOUNG SWAMPS CAZARES
FOR CONGRESS".
[3P letters means third party letters, that is letters designed
to bring discord between to parties by a third party.]
- WCB
http://spaink.org.co/SecrServ/ops/ops.htm
-----------------------
OPERATIONS OFFICER
[Undated, but about 1967-7.
Seized from GO in the July 1977 raid.]
WCB
"OPERATIONS OFFICER
Successful:
....
(7) When hitting a group or individual, hitting their
financial and comm lines
.....
Unsuccessful:
....
(4) Harassment"
[This and many other GO documents are widely webbed.]
-WCB
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1974
9 Sept 74 Confidential Intelligence Course
"GUARDIAN ORDER
GO 1314 9 September 1974
Info Bureau only
CONFIDENTIAL
------------
INTELLIGENCE COURSE
-------------------
...
SEQUENCE: This checksheet is done once through, with study tech
fully applied. Starrates are noted with an asterisk (*).
...
-18-
(2) PL 1 Mar 65, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS *________"
[This is the official GO course Intelligence training hat pack
check list. This PL 1 Mar 65 is the "Fair Game Law" HCOPL originally
written by Hubbard in 1965. This was seized in the 1977 FBI raids on
Scientology's headquarters.]
- WCB
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/ic_conts.htm
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1979
3 Dec 79
SENTENCING MEMORANDUM OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Mary Sue Hubbard et al Criminal Case No. 78-401
"Moreover, a review of the documents seized in the two Los Angeles,
California searches, which have since been unsealed by this Court,
show the incredible and sweeping nature of the criminal conduct of
the defendents and the organization which they lead. These crimes
include the infiltration and theft of documents from a number of
prominent private national and world organizations, law firms and
newspapers; the execution of smear campaigns and baseless law
suits to destroy private individuals who had attempted to exercise
their First Amendment rights to freedom of expression; the framing
of private citizens who had been critical of Scientology, including
the forging of at least one innocent person; violation of the civil
rights of prominent private figures and public officials."
[This memorandum covers many notorious actions of Scientology
including the fair gaming of Paulette Cooper, Gabe Cazares and
others.]
- WCB
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1980
HCOPL 22 July 80
CANCELLATION OF FAIR GAME - MORE ABOUT
" "Fair Game" was cancelled and has remained cancelled
because it was found to be misinterpreted by those
antipathetic to Scientology to authorize justice actions of
more severe nature than expulsion.
There was no reason to retain it as part of our
justice system if there was any way it could be misinterpreted
in that way.
Justice is a much abused subject. Too many men of evil
intent have used the disguise of "justice" to forward evil and
malicious and destructive ends."
[This HCOPL was itself cancelled by HCOPL 8 Sept 83.
See Atack "Religion or Intelligence Agency?" for more information.]
-WCB
------------------
SCIENTOLOGY'S WAR AGAINST JUDGES
(The American Lawyer -December 1980)
"At the same time the church was issuing "Guardian Programme
Orders" (directives to church members telling them to use
"standard overt sources" and "any suitable guise interviews") to
monitor the activities of of all district court judges presiding over
the FOIA suits. In 1977 that directive was extended to all 15 active
judges in the D.C.federal district court."
[American lawyer is an influential legal journal that thus
gave a heads up to Scientology attacks and fair gaming of
judges involved in suits with Scientology. A good source
for general fair game activities of judges up to 1980 from
the legal profession itself. Widely webbed.]
- WCB
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1981
Mr. Jakob Anderson vs The Church of Scientology Denmark
March 11-16 1981
[Widely available webbed - In English]
[Vibeke Dammon, an ex-GO operative testifies as
to GO fair game practices]
- WCB
-----------------------------------------------------------
"DAMMAN - At one time it was mentioned in one of these
meetings that B-1 had been successful in having a
Dutch professor, who had attacked the Scientologists,
sent to a mental hospital? (sic)
JACOBSEN - Did they succeed?
DAMMAN - Yes, they suceeded.
----------------------------------------------------------
-----------
US vs Kember, Budlong Sentencing Memorandum
(Undated) 1981
"It is interesting to note that he Founder of their organization,
unidicted co-conspirator L.Ron Hubbard, wrote in his dictionary
entitled "Modern Management Technology Defined" That "truth is what is
_true_ for you, and "illegal" is that which is "contrary to statistics
or policy" and not pursuant to Scientology's "approved program".
Thus with the Founder-Commodore's blessings they could wantonly
commit crimes as long as it was in the interest of Scientology."
"They believed they had _carte blanche_ to violate the rights of others
in order to destroy them, burglarize private, and public offices and
steal documents outlining the strategy of individuals and organizations
that the Church had sued. These suits were filed by the Church for the
sole purpose of of financially bankrupting its critics and in order to
create an atmosphere of fear so that critics would shy away from
exercising
the First Amendment rights secured them by the Constitution."
"To these defendents and their associates, however, anybody who
did not agree with them was considered an enemy agaisnt whom the
so called "fair game doctrine' could be invoked."
"This policy, together with the actions of the defendents who represent
the very top leadership of the Church of Scientology, brings into question
their claim the Church prohibited the commision of illegal acts."
"Defendents, through one of their attorneys, have stated that the fair
game policy continued in effect well after the indictment in this case
and the conviction of the first nine co-defendents.
Defendents claim that the policy was abrogated by the Church's
Board of Directors in late July or Early August, 1980, only after
the defendents' personal attack on Judge Richey.
Transcript of September 5, 1980 at 14."
[Widely webbed, this important document is admission
fair game was policy as late as August 1980 despite
numerous claims from Scientology that Fair Game had
been cancelled in 1968, which was the position of Helena
Kobrin, RTC lawyer of record, on Alt.religion.scientology
in 1996.]
- WCB
***********************************************************************
1982
May 5 - 10, 1982
Clearwater Hearings, Clearwater Florida
[5 days of hearings on past Scientology actions including
appearances of Attorney Michael Flynn,Paulette Cooper and others.
Videos are available as well as transcripts of these hearings
plus other materials such as declarations and other legal
documents. Participants testified under oath.]
-WCB
http://lisatrust/bogie.nl/Media/cwhearings.htm
*************************************************************************
1983
HCOPL 8 Sept 83
CANCELLATIONS OF ISSUES ON SUPPRESSIVE ACTS AND PTs
[I have not seen this.]
-WCB
Cancels HCOPL 22 July 80
[See Atack, "Religion or Intelligence Agency?"
for more information.]
- WCB
**************************************************************************
1984
Breckenridge Decision
June 20 1984
[Judge Breckenridge hands down decision in the case of Mary Sue
Hubbard vs Gerald Armstrong. Finding for Armstrong, Breckenridge
finds among other things, Scientology did indeed practice Fair Game
policies.]
- WCB
"I addition to violating and abusing its member's civil-rights
the organization over the years with its "Fair Game" doctrine
has harassed and abused those persons not in the Church whom
it perceives as enemies."
.......
"Yet she (Mary Sue Hubbard) was the head of the Gaurdian Office for
many years and among other things authored the infamous order
"GO 121669" which directed culling of supposedly confidential
P.C. files/folders for purposes of internal security."
"Defendents, through one of their attorneys, have stated that
the fair game policy continued in effect well after the
indictment in this case and the conviction of the first nine
defendents. Defendents claim the policy was abrogated by
the Church's Board of Directors in late July or early August,
1980, only after the defendents' personal attack on Judge Richey.
Transcript of September 5, 1980 at 14."
-------------------
23 July 84
The Latey Decision in the lawsuit "Re: B & G (Minors) (Custody)
Delivered in High Court (Family Division), London 23 July 1984"
"To give two illustations: Beginning in 197 the Church of Scientology
began a campaign of persecution against Dr. Clark. They wrote letters
to the dean of Harvard medical school and the director of the Massachusets
General Hospital. But they refused to gag him. Their agents tracked
down and telephoned several of his patients and ainterviewd their
neighbors
looking for evidence to impugn his private or personal actions.
They submitted a report to a committee of the Massachussets State
Senate. On three occasions over the last five years a Scientology
"front" called the Citizens Committee on Human rights have brought
complaints against him to the Massachussets Mediavl Board of Registration
alledging improper professional conduct. In 1980 he was declared a
"Number one enemy" and in 1981 they brought two law suits against him
(Summarily dismissed but costly and worrying). They distributed leaflets
at the Massachussets General Hospital offering $25,000 to employees
for evidence that would lead to his conviction on any charge of criminal
activity."
**************************************************************************
1987
HCOPL 24 September 87
CONFIDENTIAL
BATTLE TACTICS ISSUE II
[Reissue of 16 September 1969
Issued with various GO investigator hat packs.]
- WCB
************************************************************************
1989
26 October 1989
LARRY WOLLERSHEIM VS. CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
Cal Appeal 3D 872 2o Cal Rpt 331
2nd Dist 1989
"The complaint alledged appellant intentionally and negligently
inflicted severe emotional injury on respondant through certain
practices including "auditing", "disconnection" and "fair game".
We conclude there was ubstantial evidence to support a factual
finding the "auditing" as well as other practices in this case
we conducted in a coercive enviroment. Thus none of them qualify
as "voluntary religous practices" entitled to constitutional
protection under the First Amendment religous freedom guaranties."
"Evidence wwas introduced that at least during the time relevant
to Wollersheim's case, "fair game" was a practice of retribution
Scientology threatened to inflict on "suppressives", which included
people who left the organization or anybody who could pose a threat
to the organization."
"Evidence was also introduced detailing Scientology's retribution
policy, sometimes called "fair game.""
"Finally whe Wollersheim was able to leave the church it subjected him
to financial ruin through its policy of fair game."
"(4)Conducting a retributive campaign of "fair game" against
Wollersheim and particularly against his business enterprise."
"Scientology asserts that all four courses of conduct comprising the
Intentional infliction claim are forms of religous expression protected
by the freedom of religion clause clauses of the United States
Constitution and California Constitutions, We conclude that would not
be protected religous activity even if Wollersheim freely participated."
http://lermanet.com/scientology/legal/
************************************************************************
1991
OSA Investigation Officer Full Hat Check Shhet
Exact date unknown
EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE
OFFICE OF SPECIAL AFFAIRS
...
CONFIDENTIAL
DEPARTMENT OF SPECIAL AFFAIRS
INVESTIGATION OFFICER
FULL HAT CHECKSHEET
....
DRILLS ARE TO BE DONE TO THEIR FULL RESULT. If you are not a fast
flow student you must star-rate checkout all items marked with an
asterisk (*). (ref: HCOB 13 Aug 72RB FAST FLOW TRAINING)
..........
SECTION J: PTS/SP DATA
...
6. HCO PL 23 Dec SUPPRESSIVE ACTS _______
65RB SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY
Revison 8.1.91 AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
....
-26-
25. HCO PL Exec Ltr 27 Sept 65 "Amprinistics" _______
26. Ed 149 Int Branch 5 Project
2 Dec 65 Project Squirrel _______
[Item 25, Amprinistics ,which see above, commands certain people
be fair gamed. here it is obviously used as a model for OSA
behavior.]
- WCB
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html
*************************************************************************
1994
ROBERT VAUGHN YOUNG DECLARATION
10 Oct 94
[In the case of Dr. Uwe Geertz and Steven Fishman, RVY as
expert witness delivered this declaration in response
to a declaration by Scientology lawyer Lynn Farney.
This declaration is concerned largely with the Fair Game
policies of Scientology.]
- WCB
**************************************************************************
1995
RELIGION OR INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
THE VIEW FROM THE LION'S DEN
Jon Atack
October 1995
[A report on Scientology delivered at the Dialog Centre
International conference in Berlin
A good source on Scientology's fair game policies
and related matters.]
- WCB
"The Hubbard Policy letter that introduced Fair Game
asserted that individuals considered suppressive persons
could be the subject of "1st degree murder, arson,
disintergration of persons or belongings."
- Jon Atack
****************************************************************************
1996
The Fair Game FAQ
A FAQ found on the Scientology official website "Church of
Scientology FAQ homepage. The exact date of composition and author
are unknown to me. But the bottom of the page reads, "(c) 1996-2003
Church of scientology International". Until I know better I will
list this as 1996.
- WCB
"Fair Game was cancelled in 1968, more than 30 years ago, expressedly
because it was suseptible to misinterpretation and abuse."
[Actually the claim that it was "susceptible to abuse" would have come
from Hubbard's HCOPL 22 Dec 80. The 3 Feb 68 code of reform offers
no reasons for cancellation, nor does HCOPL 7 Mar 69 except to say
"..it seems that new policies evolved have ended in reform for severe
internal discipline systems". However, Scientology here ignores the
fact that Scientology argued in court that "fair game" was
Constitutionally protected religous behavior under the 1st amendment
in the Wollersheim case, Christofferson-Titchbourne cases and others
well past 1968. Plus the fact the "fair game law" HCOPL of 7 Mar
1965 was still being promulgated in such Scientology books as
"Modern Management Technology Defined" published as late as 1986.
See 15, June 98, Court Decision OVG Hamburg, and that HCOPL 1 Mar 65
was listed a sa star rated item in the 1974 GO training hat check sheet.]
- WCB
**********************************************************************
1998
15 June 98
Court Decision OVG Hamburg, Germany (Hamburg Administrative appeals
Court) Bs III 65/96
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/ovg6596.html
["Scientology had sued the city of Hamburg and the Hamburg Parliament
because of a report that had mentioned "fair game" and concluded
that even massive crimes against Scientology-critics would not
be a "suppressive act"according to Scientology ethics.
(http://home.snafu.de/tilman/caberta1.html
The court has doubts whether HCOPL 10.9.1983 has 1) removed the term
"fair game" and 2) brought another definition. The reason is
the defendent showed a 1986 book "Modern Managment Technology Defined"
which has the definition of "fair game" as in HCOPL 23.12.1965 and
specifically refers to it. The conclusion that massive crimes
against Scientology-critics are not considered "suppressive acts
is correct because "suppressive acts" are only acts against Scientology
or Scientologists, not against "suppressive persons".]
- Tilman Hausherr
[Documents at the site above are in German]
-WCB
********************************* END **************************************
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wbarwell
> On 30 Jul 2004 02:26:48 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
>
>> Hiding in those
>>cocoons they consider themselves being the great heroes.
>
> Flunk, Spacetroglodyte. They aren't hiding. And you've long since
> overrun us with the wonky ellipsis. You're always leaving things
> out.They're waiting to emerge as the great HEteROcErouS swarm.
Gerry and I and other use our real names.
Space Travelor and Faxhor are the ones who hide.
It is long Scientology habit. Anonymous cowards
95% of the time.
Hiding and posting anonymously.
Hiding is -8 on the tone scale.
Low toned indeed.
And its hard to take an anonymous coward seriously.
If they lose an argument, they can later change their
valence, come back and try again without having their
failures smeared on their faces.
Cheap net kook tricks.
>
>> But they
>>don't dare to step outside of them for one single second.
>
> What a load, Spacetrainingseat. I am a wogŽ. I stepped outside of all
> of that for twelve and a half years. You are such a little liar, you
> must be DM. Who or what is a bigger little liar than David Miscavige?
> X
>
> On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
> Miscavige, has anything been suppressed? tick
>
> On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
> Miscavige, has anything been invalidated? X
>
> On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
> Miscavige, has anything been not-ised? X
>
> On the question who or what is a bigger little liar than David
> Miscavige, has anything been abandoned? X
>
> I'd like to indicate that the biggest little liar is David Miscavige.
> F/N VGI's ind
>
> Now let's get you to the Examiner.
>
>>
>>But you can always expose them by their behaviour, for example right
>>here on this newsgroup.
>
> Well, your needle's sure floating isn't it?
>
>>
>>Spacetraveler
>
> Š Gerry Armstrong
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
--
wbarwell
And waving around long forgotten musty HCOPLs as if
that has anything to do with the obvioius lack of the promised
elephant in your living room.
You see this all over the net.
You point out Bush's lies, they soon are trying to change the
arguing to about Clinton's dick.
You point out the Bible has contradictions, they soon
are arguing whether "this generation" doesn't mean race.
and other bullshit.
Its the usual way most people run off the track. Its why so
many people are so wrong about so many things.
edo
>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
>news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>>
>> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
>> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>
>Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
>argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
What the issues say is *your* argument. It is not *the* argument. The
argument is fair game and scientology. The argument is fair game and
Hubbard. The argument is fair game and the fact that the Church of
Scientology has practised it for nearly 40 years.
Hubbard made fair game scientology policy. He practised it and ordered
scientologists in Department 20 (called the Guardian Office and then the
Office of Special Affairs) to practise it. They did. They still do.
Hubbard never did anything effective to stop it. Never. But all you want
to argue about is "what the issues say!" Talk about a Q & A!
You've been called "space for brains" and it's a good name for you because
the place in your brain that should have been filled with real life reality
by now is still empty.
The truth about Hubbard, scientology and fair game is on the Internet for
anyone who wants to see it. I've already said that to mushroomman who has
disappeared and probably was you with another name. But you don't want to
confront that.
You are like any indoctrinated scientologist whose beliefs about Hubbard
don't match up with some of the facts. All you're doing is defending your
indoctrination.
edo
-=-
wbarwell
> On 30 Jul 2004, spacetra...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
>>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
>>news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>>>
>>> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or
>>> me, all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>>> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>>
>>Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
>>argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
>
> What the issues say is *your* argument. It is not *the* argument. The
> argument is fair game and scientology. The argument is fair game and
> Hubbard. The argument is fair game and the fact that the Church of
> Scientology has practised it for nearly 40 years.
>
> Hubbard made fair game scientology policy. He practised it and ordered
> scientologists in Department 20 (called the Guardian Office and then the
> Office of Special Affairs) to practise it. They did. They still do.
> Hubbard never did anything effective to stop it. Never. But all you want
> to argue about is "what the issues say!" Talk about a Q & A!
>
We know that Hubbard was running Scientology out of a hotel room
in Dunedin Florida after he came ashore. We know he was intimately
involved with setting up GOWW and with setting tasks such as Snow White.
When the whole thing came crashing down, Hubbard fled.
Once safe, he set up an effort to dstroy all possible traces of his
involvemnt with running Scientology since 1966 when he
lied he had stopped running Scientology, and to destroy all
paper trails that could connect him with anything illegal.
That included runnning GO and anything involved with it.
Because of this masive effort, tons of documents were pulped.
Hubbard's exact and day by day efforts as far as GO are concerned
will never be known with exactitude.
Hubbard's minions were most thorough. Ask Armstrong, he was
one of them.
One thing that is known is, HCOPL 1 Mar 65 was part of the
training packs. And Budlong and Kember admitted they knew
fair game was policy and acted on it.
In light of Hubbard's orders to protect his ass by burning anything
imcriminating, Hubbard will always lose the benefit of any doubt
as to his role in this organization, GO and its fair game policies.
And that is that.
Hubbard claimed to have given up runing Scientology in 1966 and
retired to be a mere writer and researcher. But numerous HCOPLs,
EDs, and other materials show this was false. All you have to do is search
the OEC volumes for evidence.
Hubbard is a proven liar then.
Fair Game was GO policy, and with his own wife Mary Sus Hubbard
supervising the whole mess, you just know he had to be well informed
of goings on there.
His penchant for public lies and coverup and obstruction iof justice
strips him of any right to be considered blameless and innocent.
In the PDC supplemental tape #9, Hubbard informs us that all
morality is is agrrement to postulates. What is agreed in that culture is
despised by this culture. All value is merely postulates that are agreed on
by some beings.
So if Hubbard and Mary Sue and other Big Beings, OTs, A scientology elite
agree that "ethics" is merely a way of getting Scientology tech applied as
per "Introduction to Scientology Ethics", 1968, and that that there was no
justice nor 'ethics' outside of Scientology, and there was no real ethics,
just agreements, agreement between this elite as to what was "ethical",
that is acceptable to Hubbard, was all that mattered.
Looking at how Hubbard continually warp and redefined ethics, morals and
justice is sickening and its no surprise having seen how he did that that
he came up with fair game and that it was simply a matter of applying it as
a policy whenever he felt he could get away with it.
Those who say he was an innocent man whose clumsy minions
did all these bad things and it wasn't what Scientology is about
are turning a blind eye to the systematic and explicit trail of
ammorality that was a deep and persistant Hubbard doctrine.
And even if that was true that others did it not at his behest, it is
true he created the ammoral system that openly declared
that only Hubbard's wishes mattered, wog law was insane
and unjust and thus had no expectations that Scientology should
take law and ethics seriously.
Its still a problem.
Virginia McClaughry
question not only what is the real game, but just how big that game really
is.
I'd like to also say a brief word to you and other readers re: the
Veritas/Sci-irsology site's data on the copyrights.
A link you presented that I followed - goes to that site's page that has one
version of the story (which is actually relatively true although not *quite*
the complete truth). A subpage from that has a further expanded story that
is definitely way off the mark. I even noticed that in reading again that
secondary version, that since I last read that version it has had added to
it a new *explanation* that I now documented. I have a pretty good idea as
to why that latest addition was added, as well.
Sorry if that's a bit short or cryptic, but I don't have the time right now
to get into that in further detail. Although we will definitely be getting
into that whole area in great detail when we get to overhauling the
www.scientologyintegrity.org site.
Virginia
Spacetraveler <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9f53d1e2.04073...@posting.google.com...
Spacetraveler
> On 30 Jul 2004 02:16:13 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> >"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4108696e$1...@news2.lightlink.com>...
> >> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> > There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
> >> there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
> >>
> >> Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
> >> decided not to waste his time with you.
> >
> >The problem is that he himself several times wrote that he was very
> >eager to have such a communication with a Scientologist.
>
> You're lying again, Spacetrougher. I have never written even once that
> I was very eager to have a communication which is a waste of time with
> a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3b37f01opvg8f6juc7pruuvu2ctkd6dn6e%404ax.com
You say there: "Excellent. I have hoped a long time to have a
conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
And in the end did you follow up on that? No, you did not.
Still I have gotten NO RESPONSE to
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
More than 2 weeks ago already.
> You are an idiot to just to utter such an easily provable lie. But go
> ahead, Spacetrawler, see if you can dredge up any of those several
> times you assert that I wrote that I was very eager to have a
> communication which is a waste of time with a Scientologist I think is
> an idiot. No, Spacetraitor, you're just plain lying.
Proven in the above, link provided. Also I note that you assume at
forehand that I am wrong about something. Tseetsee, not very careful
of you, Gerry!
>
> > At this time
> >he resorts to another method to cover up that in fact he chooses to
> >run!
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. What a liar you are. You are a covert cult op, a
> hater of good people, and a practitioner of the "Suppressive Person"
> doctrine. That's why you lie about me. That's why you're hiding.
> That's why you're attempting with all these attacks and lies to avoid
> and obfuscate this pernicious doctrine.
>
> Now watch very closely, Spacetruckler. This is a response to all your
> posts. They are all now answered. I have answered you despite the fact
> that I am not very eager to have a communication which is a waste of
> time with a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
>
> If you were to quit lying, Spacetrencher, communications to you would
> quit being a waste if time, and you would also quit being an idiot
> with whom no one with any brains would be very eager to communicate.
> Being a cult op, however, under the little thumb of Nanodictator
> Miscavige, you have no hope of ever quitting your lying. And hence
> there's no hope that anyone with any brains would ever be very eager
> to communicate with you.
You do not intend to go into a discussion with someone who has the
know-how that I in fact display. It may turn out that you in reality
do not know so very much and in fact are in error about a variety of
things. So what do you do? You use diversion tactics to cover up the
real reason why you don't respond.
Observation: You do not respond.
Conclusion: You run.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> On 30 Jul 2004 02:20:27 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>
> >"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> >> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
> >>
> >> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
> >> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
> >> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
> >> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
> >
> >Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
> >argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
>
> No, Spacetrunker, that is NOT the argument. That is a dead horse. You
> go ahead and flog it for all it's worth. But it is not my argument.
It is because you ignore HCOPL 21 July 1968.
> It's probably not other people's arguments either.
>
> And in any case, what on earth do you mean here by "argument?"
>
> Go ahead and post all the "issues" you want.
>
> But your sleazy, lying assertion that people who don't post or web
> what *you* say they should are avoiding some argument, is, pure cult
> op BS.
On this page you are clearly dishonest:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1968-10-21-cancel-fair-game.html
You say there:
"Note: Hubbard's fair game doctrine, when he laid it out in his Policy
Letter of 18 October 1967, was quickly recognized by thinking
government officials, journalists and citizens as calling for violent,
illegal actions against the cult's "enemies." As a result, he issued
another Policy Letter dated 21 October 1968 entitled "Cancellation of
Fair Game," that the Miscavige regime insists cancelled this criminal
doctrine. But Hubbard was just fair gaming his "enemies" with his
"cancellation," just playing a trick on them. He "cancelled" the use
of the term "fair game" when declaring people "enemies" or "SPs," with
the cynical excuse that it caused bad PR, but he ordered that the same
"treatment" of those "enemies" continue as before. The Scientologists
in the Hubbard regime knew that the same violent, antisocial and
criminal actions were to be taken against these "enemies," the "SPs."
Fair game would continue, but it would not be called by that name.
GA"
You are in silence about HCOPL 21 July 1968.
Very, very dishonest Gerry! Very, very manipulative Gerry!
> Why don't you apply that standard to yourself, Spacetransient? You've
> been claiming that I said something about Fair Game, but you have not
> quoted everything I've said about the subject. So go to my web site
> and the Suppressive Person Defense League site and find everything
> I've written about Fair Game on the sites and post it here. Otherwise,
> using your own standard, it's conclusive proof that you're avoiding
> the issue, or the argument, whatever that means. Here are the two
> sites to search:
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
> http://www.suppressiveperson.org/
>
> The issue is Scientology's war on good people. You support and
> prosecute the cult's war on good people. My intention is to win the
> war because I want peace.
No, I duplicate issues. Which appearantly you are unable to. I also
noticed your misconception about 'criticism'.
It's all here:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.775cab17%40posting.google.com
> >> Take a look at what sort of lies your cult's website "religiousfreedom" does
> >> write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
> >> fair-gamed.
> >
> >I am not interested in your opinion.
>
> Of course you aren't. You can't be. You're a covert cult op, who hates
> good people, and helps the Scientology cult wage war on them. If you
> were interested in the opinions of the good people your cult wages war
> on (also known as Fair Game, which is the standard war condition)
> you'd yourself become a target of your little dictator Miscavige in
> his sick war on good people.
Again I am not interested in these kind of generalities. But then you
are not interested in exact reasoning.
> > This is not the argument made.
>
> Guess what, Spacetrillium, you do not get a set for me or anyone else
> what argument is made, whatever that means. The issue is Scientology's
> war on good people. You fair game good people to help the cult in its
> dirty, dangerous war.
No, the issue is that you make a false assumption based on a supposed
non-existing 21 July 1968. If you would be honest you would not uphold
what you write on page:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/sp/pl-1968-10-21-cancel-fair-game.html
> >However all I see is that Gerry is running here!
>
> You don't see that at all. Not even in the heights of the highest
> pretended stupidity you can pretend to can you see that. And that this
> lie is *all* that you can see says a whole bunch for you, for your
> cult, and for the efficacy of Scientology "tech." "Seeing" illusions
> is what Scientologists call "keeping Scientology working" and "going
> OT." It's not a very highly evolved state.
The following REMAINS UNANSWERED!
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>
> > This is something
> >that ALL can see here!
>
> Yes, scream, Spacetrouser. But no matter how loud you shout, it's
> still a lie. ALL *cannot* see your illusions. I'll prove it here.
>
> I am not running, as shown by the fact that I'm here on a.r.s.,
You are running from to deal with our original communication!!!!
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You are also running from the reality of the existence of HCOPL 21
July 1968.
> provide my real name, real address, real phone number, real photos,
> real sworn statements of my real experiences. You on the other hand
> provide no name, no address, no phone number, no photos, no sworn or
> even unsworn statements of your real experiences. You attack with lies
> and pretended stupidity from hiding.
Diversion tactics noted.
"There is a maxim in PR or advertising that a MESSAGE MUST BE REPEATED
OVER AND OVER TO IMPINGE ON A GIVEN PUBLIC." HCO PL 9 Jun 1975
Enemy Lines
Are you enforcing the above? You keep on saying that I lie and so on.
Do you intend to make it stick by assertion only?
> Further, I can see that I'm not running. Therefore I have proven your
> assertion that ALL can see what you say ALL can see is a lie.
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> >Also it is not my cult.
>
> Well sure, it's David Miscavige's cult because Scientology is a
> dictatorship and Miscavige is the dictator. But it's your cult in that
> you support it in its war on good people.
>
> Really, is there any other cult than the Scientology cult whose war on
> good people you support?
>
> No? Well then Scientology's your cult.
Diversion tactics and attempt to manipulate noted.
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Spacetraveler
nobody
Spacetraveler says...
>
>You say there: "Excellent. I have hoped a long time to have a
>conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>
>And in the end did you follow up on that? No, you did not.
You're dubbing in again. At no time did he promise to follow up.
It's your own wishful thinking. You're a little suppressive
running a must have. Get over it or continue to act like a jerk.
The choice is yours. HAND.
nobody
>news:<898lg0p0rt2o42svf...@4ax.com>...
>> On 30 Jul 2004 02:20:27 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
>> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>>
>>>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
>>news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> >> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>> >>
>> >> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>>>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
>> >> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> >> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>> >
>> >Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
>> >argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
>>
>> No, Spacetrunker, that is NOT the argument. That is a dead horse. You
>> go ahead and flog it for all it's worth. But it is not my argument.
>
>It is because you ignore HCOPL 21 July 1968.
As Dennis woulda sed, "You fulla shit!" But thanks for continuing
to show what an idiot you are, Spaceflunker.
Bent Stigsen
> Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<hi8lg0hs0acecrhdk...@4ax.com>...
>
>>On 30 Jul 2004 02:16:13 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
>>(Spacetraveler) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4108696e$1...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>>>
>>>>"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
>>>>
>>>>there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
>>>>
>>>>Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
>>>>decided not to waste his time with you.
>>>
>>>The problem is that he himself several times wrote that he was very
>>>eager to have such a communication with a Scientologist.
>>
>>You're lying again, Spacetrougher. I have never written even once that
>>I was very eager to have a communication which is a waste of time with
>>a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
>
>
> http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3b37f01opvg8f6juc7pruuvu2ctkd6dn6e%404ax.com
>
> You say there: "Excellent. I have hoped a long time to have a
> conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
If you look at Gerry's background, how serious do you think he was when
he said that.
On the other hand, Gerry is american, hmmm
---
Jay Fullmer, 38, yesterday became the first American to get
to grips with the concept of irony. "It was weird," Fullmer
said. "I was in London and like, talking to this guy and it
was raining and he pulled a face and said, `Great weather
eh?' and I thought - `Wait a minute... no way is it great
weather.'" Fullmer then realised that the other man's
`mistake' was in fact deliberate.
Fullmer, who is 39 next month and married with two children,
aged 8 and 3, plans to use irony himself in future. "I'm
like using it all the time," he said. "Last weekend I was
grilling steaks and I burned them and I said `Hey, great
weather!'"
---
/Bent
Barbara Schwarz
> edo wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jul 2004, spacetra...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote:
> >
> >>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
> >>news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> >>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
> >>>
> >>> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
> >>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or
> >>> me, all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
> >>> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
> >>
> >>Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
> >>argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
> >
> > What the issues say is *your* argument. It is not *the* argument. The
> > argument is fair game and scientology. The argument is fair game and
> > Hubbard. The argument is fair game and the fact that the Church of
> > Scientology has practised it for nearly 40 years.
> >
> > Hubbard made fair game scientology policy. He practised it and ordered
> > scientologists in Department 20 (called the Guardian Office and then the
> > Office of Special Affairs) to practise it. They did. They still do.
> > Hubbard never did anything effective to stop it. Never. But all you want
> > to argue about is "what the issues say!" Talk about a Q & A!
> >
>
> We know that Hubbard was running Scientology out of a hotel room
Everybody who knows L. Ron Hubbard personal (and is not a hired
psychiatric SEGNPMSS agent) knows that below is completely out of
character for L. Ron Hubbard. The stuff is fabricated by psychiatric
agents, or they told impostor Jack Marshall to do it and blame it on
L. Ron Hubbard. An old German Nazi trick. Even the word Doppelgaenger
is German.
And once again, Ron never would have married Mary Sue. I bet he never
met her. There are world between their tonelevels! Ron of all people
knows to spot a tonelevel of a person, esp. his wife. If she did not
make the marriage completely up, she married the impostor. Same
applies also for the other women who wrongfully claimed were married
to him.
Barbara Schwarz
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So, Barbara..............
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from the RTC, Mike Rinder from OSA International and all the bunch of
loosers of
the Cave of Scientology, again nice to meet you!
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> Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> news:<898lg0p0rt2o42svf...@4ax.com>...
>> On 30 Jul 2004 02:20:27 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
>> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
>>
>> >"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
>> >news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> >> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of
>> >> laughing.
>> >>
>> >> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as
>> >> in France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal
>> >> cults, or me, all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you
>> >> would try to demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice
>> >> it?
>> >
>> >Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
>> >argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
>>
>> No, Spacetrunker, that is NOT the argument. That is a dead horse. You
>> go ahead and flog it for all it's worth. But it is not my argument.
>
> It is because you ignore HCOPL 21 July 1968.
>
Does HCOPL 21 July 68 explicitly mention "fair game"?
No. Does it explicitly cancell "fair game"?
No. Does it implicitly cancel fair game?
No.
"ENEMY - Suppressive Person order. May not be communicated
by with by anyone except by an Ethics Officer, Master at Arms,
a Hearing Officer or a Board or a Committee.
May be restrained or imprisoned. May not be protected by the rules
of the group he sought to injure..."
It is obvious here, that Hubard was avoiding the words that drew
condemnation, while yet not giving up the harsh treatment meted
out to people he labelled "fair game", that is "ENEMY".
Theintent, the harsh treatment, the lack of any rights under
Scientology's "rules", it is fair game, it si not only not cancelled,
it is still in force, obviously. And Hubbard wants that meaning to come
through ere.
Oct 21 68, AFTER the above HCOPL.
He is talking about what? Fair game.
What does he say? the words "fair game" "May not appear on any
Ethics Order".
Why?
"It causes bad PR".
Not that it is wrong, not that it is unethical or immoral.
But because it causes bad PR.
We are now on the subject of what?
Fair game.
"This P/L does not cancel any policy on treatment or handling
of an SP."
What policies are cancelled? None.
What policies had been announced?
1 Mar 65.
17 Mar 65.
23 Dec 65.
21 Oct 67.
21 July 68.
.."Without rights for self, possessions or position."
"The homes, places and abodes of persons who have
been active in attempting to suppress Scientology
or Scientologists are all beyond any Scientology justice
unless absolved by a later justice or an amnesty."
A truely Suppressive Person or group has no rights
of any kind and actions taken against them are not
punishable."
"May be tricked, lied to or destroyed."
"May be retstrained or imprisioned."
Which of the above are cancelled? None.
"This P/L dose not cancel any policy on treatment
or handling of an SP."
HCOPL 21 Oct 68 is rather explicit in that no earlier
policies are cancelled.
End of argument.
If you want to argue "fair game" was indeed cancelled,
fine, do so.
The ONLY relevant issues here are, 3 Nov 68, "The Code
of Reform" which did in fact cancel "fair game " publically
and explicitly and HCOPL 7 Mar 69 Where Hubbard
references November 68 Code of Reform.
However the next relevant issue is the 1974 GO intel training
hat pack check sheet that explicitly starrates HCOPL 1 Mar 65
as a mandated item to be studied most carefully.
Fair game was policy until 2 Nov 68 and was back as official
though not openly and publically as of 9 Sept 74.
We should note here, that the era between the Code of Reform
and Intel hat pack was when Hubbard was on the Apollo with
the sea org, in great part to avoid governments, policmen and
laywers, to remain "Fabian" as Hubbard put it.
Laying low and looking to avoid stirring up big trouble
which the 'fair game' law most certainly did.
But when he felt the heat was off, he reinstated Fair Game,
and this time learned not to arrogantly make it public.
Hubbard set up his move to Clearwater in 1975, and
the Apollo was sold in Oct 75 at which point the Sea Org
crew moved temporarliy to Daytona.
This 9 September 74 GO hat check pack was conceived
aboard the Apollo, not later on under any rogues out
of Hubbard's immediate control.
Android Cat
> Fair game was policy until 2 Nov 68 and was back as official
> though not openly and publically as of 9 Sept 74.
>
> We should note here, that the era between the Code of Reform
> and Intel hat pack was when Hubbard was on the Apollo with
> the sea org, in great part to avoid governments, policmen and
> laywers, to remain "Fabian" as Hubbard put it.
Weren't policies for *other* people to use, and couldn't Hubbard give direct
orders superior to policy? He did use coded marine TELEX/TWX transmissions
as well as couriers. Are there any accounts of "burn after reading" type
orders? (Hard evidence of that would be hard to find, duh!)
Virginia McClaughry
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=9f53d1e2.0407131802.7
75c...@posting.google.com
That link goes to a post by spacetraveler apparently answering Gerry. In
that post Gerry said:
>
> And the "some way" that Hubbard ordered is Fair Game.
>
> Hubbard could have ordered that Scientology not respond, or that they
> respond with reason, truth and a higher level communication. Instead
> he ordered that Scientologists respond with unreason, lies and low,
> nasty, solid, overt and covert levels of communication, with attacks
> on persons.
Here's a real life example of a person operating with "unreason, lies and
low, nasty, solid, overt and covert levels of communication, with attacks on
persons."
Also known as a Black Op, and I would imagine if the person who did this
ever was caught or "confessed"? They would probably try to wave it off
saying it was a "joke" or a "harmless prank" and that it's somehow
"deserved". Which would of course further demonstrate the above that you
said of "unreason, lies and low, nasty, solid, overt and covert levels of
communication, with attacks on persons".
This type of activity is CERTAINLY NOT limited to just "OSA" nor should it
be so continuously and repeatedly preached about and boxed into
"Scientology" does this. For one thing, OSA (for the MOST part) is quite a
ways down the totem pole of the "dirty tricks" types that don't want their
activities exposed or interfered with in their end-goals. Government
mind-control fanatics for example, the Mafia is just as good an example.
Both of which are involved in the current Church.
Here's the example I mentioned above:
Thursday July 29, 2004, at a little before 3 pm - I picked up the mail at
the PO box for HASI. It's been at least 4 weeks since I last picked it up.
In it, was the following, postmarked from Sacramento, California, on 17 July
2004.
The envelope is handwritten addressed to : Mike McClaughry Po Box 2014 Post
Falls, Id 83877. The writing looks a bit familiar to me, but can't quite
place where it's familiar from.
There is no return address anywhere on the envelope.
The letter inside is all typewritten - probably printed from a computer.
This is the text:
Mike,
Sorry it's been a little while since I last wrote. Where was I? Oh yes, we
were talking about
thetans who are into creating trouble... thetans who pretend they are
someone else, which in
your case is this Thetan who has pretended to be LRH.
I'm telling you this is nothing but trouble. Granting this Thetan beingness
is wrong. Lives seem
pointless, everything goes wrong, money runs out, and families fall apart. I
have seen it over and
over again. Wish I could do more than give advice but I can't.
Me, who knows who this will all turn out. I hear y ou can buy land real
cheap in Mexicao and
live very nicely there. No TV, no computers, no yelling or screaming. Just
beach and sun as far as the
eye can see. Maybe that is where we will meet.
Wish I had more time to go over all this with you. Seems such a shame to
have you up in Post
Falls wasting away -- waiting for something or someone who is not coming.
I'll be in touch again when I can.
ML
----End text (which has no signature as shown above)
So, who do you think did this Black Op, and why Gerry?
Virginia
Gerry Armstrong
Thank you. Please send me every communication you and Mike have ever
had with anyone, and a detailed description of everything you've ever
done. Standard time, place, form and event. Triplicate isn't
necessary. I can copy everything to anyone. Treat all this as eyes
only.
>
>Virginia
Spacetraveler
> Spacetraveler wrote:
> > Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message news:<hi8lg0hs0acecrhdk...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >>On 30 Jul 2004 02:16:13 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> >>(Spacetraveler) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<4108696e$1...@news2.lightlink.com>...
> >>>
> >>>>"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>There is factually just one sole reason why you would not answer> And
> >>>>
> >>>>there is NO OTHER REASON. I repeat NO OTHER REASON!
> >>>>
> >>>>Hey space for brains, do you suppose perhaps he thinks your an idiot, and
> >>>>decided not to waste his time with you.
> >>>
> >>>The problem is that he himself several times wrote that he was very
> >>>eager to have such a communication with a Scientologist.
> >>
> >>You're lying again, Spacetrougher. I have never written even once that
> >>I was very eager to have a communication which is a waste of time with
> >>a Scientologist I think is an idiot.
> >
> >
> > http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3b37f01opvg8f6juc7pruuvu2ctkd6dn6e%404ax.com
> >
> > You say there: "Excellent. I have hoped a long time to have a
> > conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
>
> If you look at Gerry's background, how serious do you think he was when
> he said that.
Directly after he wrote that he actually responded to that very
communication. it's only that he did not do a follow-up after that.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> In article <9f53d1e2.04073...@posting.google.com>,
> Spacetraveler says...
> >
> >You say there: "Excellent. I have hoped a long time to have a
> >conversation with a Scientologist on this basis."
> >
> >And in the end did you follow up on that? No, you did not.
>
> You're dubbing in again. At no time did he promise to follow up.
It is decency to have done that.
> It's your own wishful thinking. You're a little suppressive
> running a must have. Get over it or continue to act like a jerk.
> The choice is yours. HAND.
Last response to you. Still "talkin' loud and sayin' nothin'". Please
crawl back in your cocoon!
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> Yes, that's me, and I'm happy if I helped in some way to inspire you to
> question not only what is the real game, but just how big that game really
> is.
I had found out already how big that came was, but your story
acknowledged that once again and added information.
>
> I'd like to also say a brief word to you and other readers re: the
> Veritas/Sci-irsology site's data on the copyrights.
>
> A link you presented that I followed - goes to that site's page that has one
> version of the story (which is actually relatively true although not *quite*
> the complete truth). A subpage from that has a further expanded story that
> is definitely way off the mark. I even noticed that in reading again that
> secondary version, that since I last read that version it has had added to
> it a new *explanation* that I now documented. I have a pretty good idea as
> to why that latest addition was added, as well.
>
> Sorry if that's a bit short or cryptic, but I don't have the time right now
> to get into that in further detail. Although we will definitely be getting
> into that whole area in great detail when we get to overhauling the
> www.scientologyintegrity.org site.
Indeed cryptic. Not sure how to interpret this.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
> Spacetraveler wrote:
>
> > Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
> > news:<898lg0p0rt2o42svf...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 30 Jul 2004 02:20:27 -0700, spacetra...@hotmail.com
> >> (Spacetraveler) wrote:
> >>
> >> >"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
> >> >news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> >> >> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of
> >> >> laughing.
> >> >>
> >> >> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as
> >> >> in France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal
> >> >> cults, or me, all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you
> >> >> would try to demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice
> >> >> it?
> >> >
> >> >Start duplicating, I NEVER denied any such thing! This is not the
> >> >argument. The argument is: "What do the issues themselves say!"
> >>
> >> No, Spacetrunker, that is NOT the argument. That is a dead horse. You
> >> go ahead and flog it for all it's worth. But it is not my argument.
> >
> > It is because you ignore HCOPL 21 July 1968.
> >
>
> Does HCOPL 21 July 68 explicitly mention "fair game"?
It does not have to do that. Issue cancelled, issue gone. Damn are
you really so incredibly stupid that you can not understand this?
> No. Does it explicitly cancell "fair game"?
Yes, the description given does not resemble anymore the definition
given in regular dictionaries.
> No. Does it implicitly cancel fair game?
The outcome is the same, see above response.
> No.
>
> "ENEMY - Suppressive Person order. May not be communicated
> by with by anyone except by an Ethics Officer, Master at Arms,
> a Hearing Officer or a Board or a Committee.
> May be restrained or imprisoned. May not be protected by the rules
> of the group he sought to injure..."
>
> It is obvious here, that Hubard was avoiding the words that drew
> condemnation, while yet not giving up the harsh treatment meted
> out to people he labelled "fair game", that is "ENEMY".
Common sense as explained many times before. Also DICTIONARIES DO NOT
TO ANY EXTEND AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!
>
> Theintent, the harsh treatment, the lack of any rights under
> Scientology's "rules", it is fair game, it si not only not cancelled,
> it is still in force, obviously. And Hubbard wants that meaning to come
> through ere.
>
> Oct 21 68, AFTER the above HCOPL.
>
> He is talking about what? Fair game.
> What does he say? the words "fair game" "May not appear on any
> Ethics Order".
> Why?
> "It causes bad PR".
> Not that it is wrong, not that it is unethical or immoral.
> But because it causes bad PR.
>
> We are now on the subject of what?
> Fair game.
>
> "This P/L does not cancel any policy on treatment or handling
> of an SP."
>
> What policies are cancelled? None.
Fair Game practice was already cancelled. However there are a variety
of issues dealing with how to deal with an SP, and these are not
cancelled.
FAIR GAME IS NOT SYNONYM WITH SP, GET THIS INTO YOUR SKULL!!!!!
>
> What policies had been announced?
>
> 1 Mar 65.
> 17 Mar 65.
> 23 Dec 65.
> 21 Oct 67.
> 21 July 68.
>
> .."Without rights for self, possessions or position."
> "The homes, places and abodes of persons who have
> been active in attempting to suppress Scientology
> or Scientologists are all beyond any Scientology justice
> unless absolved by a later justice or an amnesty."
> A truely Suppressive Person or group has no rights
> of any kind and actions taken against them are not
> punishable."
> "May be tricked, lied to or destroyed."
> "May be retstrained or imprisioned."
>
> Which of the above are cancelled? None.
All of it was.
>
> "This P/L dose not cancel any policy on treatment
> or handling of an SP."
>
> HCOPL 21 Oct 68 is rather explicit in that no earlier
> policies are cancelled.
Correct, it only stresses not to use the name Fair Game anymore as
apparently some were still using that, even when the practice was
cancelled. even at time we endured William Barwell's, those who do not
duplicate.
Spacetraveler
Faxhor
That is because people like me DO NOT track them down, sabotage
their life, and try to kill them.
Faxhor
nobody
Spacetraveler says...
>
>Directly after he wrote that he actually responded to that very
>communication. it's only that he did not do a follow-up after that.
Surely you understand people have the right to ignore idiots.
Yet you continue to whine, whine, whine. But then you are a
Scientologist, so I am not surprised to see your idiotic and
rude behavior. Now go ahead and be a good little clam and
write a things that shouldn't be report on your rude manners.
HAND.
Virginia McClaughry
I understand, but you know - if you figured out how big the game was on your
own like I basically did (I assume that's what you meant) then I bet you
might even figure out what's going on with the Veritas/Scirsology site and
the copyrights issue before we get through with the www.ronsorgusa.org site
and get on to the www.scientologyintegrity.org site overhaul! That would be
something to see and would be very cool to see another person "get the
picture" who isn't on the wrong side of the fence - so to speak.
Best,
Virginia
>
> Spacetraveler
Virginia McClaughry
Interesting game you're playing.
OK, so clue me in - what's the preferred motivator generating childish
response to such a childish answer from you?
"Eat shit and die", "You're crazy!" "You suck!" "CULT OP!"
What?
Virginia
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> © Gerry Armstrong
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
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THE FILES OF RODI
SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/
Will be Justice!
Rodi.
Barbara Schwarz
You sound awfully confused to me, Ridi, no Rodi, no wonder that you
need Roger Gonnet as your Guru for each moment of your life. Problem
is only that is a confused guy too.
Barbara Schwarz
Spacetraveler
Yes.
> then I bet you
> might even figure out what's going on with the Veritas/Scirsology site and
> the copyrights issue before we get through with the www.ronsorgusa.org site
> and get on to the www.scientologyintegrity.org site overhaul!
I will be monitoring that.
> That would be
> something to see and would be very cool to see another person "get the
> picture" who isn't on the wrong side of the fence - so to speak.
There is actually only one correct side. But it requires a couple of
character features. Constant alertness, constant willingness to fight
back.
Unfortunately many are confused, they don't know how to separate the
inside from the outside and vice versa.
Spacetraveler
Virginia McClaughry
Only really "us" and a false "them" - yep.
>
> Unfortunately many are confused, they don't know how to separate the
> inside from the outside and vice versa.
Inside and outside? I'd say more like they don't know how to separate the
truth from lies - whether their OWN lies or other's. Perhaps that what you
meant though.
Virginia
>
> Spacetraveler
nobody
>
>Inside and outside? I'd say more like they don't know how to separate the
>truth from lies - whether their OWN lies or other's.
After all these years (decades?) since learning Scientology word
clearing junknology tech Virginia has never learned when to use
the possessive case. Hublard tech is junk.
wbarwell
When did Ron start that super literate nonsense?
Wasn't that the theory that underlays his study tech
and Keys to Life schmuzz?
Gerry Armstrong
<vm...@icehouse.net> wrote:
>Gerry,
>
>Interesting game you're playing.
It's the game Scientology calls its War Against Suppressive Persons
(WASP®). To Scientologists, war is a game. You are a Scientologist.
The object is to win the war. One of Scientologists' principal weapons
is pretended stupidity. Lying is essential to pretended stupidity,
hence it is in Scientology correctly called a sacrament.
>
>OK, so clue me in - what's the preferred motivator generating childish
>response to such a childish answer from you?
You might have considered perhaps how childish your question was. You
might also have considered how childish or cultish, or both, your
previous behavior has been that you have displayed here on a.r.s.
>
>"Eat shit and die", "You're crazy!" "You suck!" "CULT OP!"
And now you might consider how childish your acknowledgement is.
>
>What?
What, what?
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Still_lying_about_Marty
Spoken like a true retard.
Virginia McClaughry
You were talking in some posts about Fair Game and what are basically called
Black Ops. I posted in response and gave you a very real and recent example
of such.
Unfortunately, when dealing with such live, current, and very real examples
that are not targeted against yourself or other "critics"? You cannot seem
to discuss the matter without basically doing some form of tacit agreement
with whoever SENT that letter. (much like Tory Bezazian has done previously
on the subject of Black Ops on my children)
It's a pattern.
I'd also like to say, that if only ONE person out there sees that you are
blowing this whole "passionate cause" thing you have going supposedly
against Fair Game - then that's just fine with me.
Because hey, next thing you know?
There's TWO of them.
So, since that is the way it works - if you want that to happen? Then do
carry on as you were re: this Black Op letter.
If you'd like to respond (as you put it) with "reason, truth and a higher
level communication" to my question to you - let me know.
Sincerely,
Virginia
Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote in message
news:t7vtg0hk9tvv3am12...@4ax.com...
nobody
>
>
>So, who do you think did this Black Op, and why Gerry?
>
>Virginia
Can't you apply Hubbard's intel tech and find out who and why?
You're an OT, aren't you? Oh, that right... OT is BS. You're
just a humanoid infected with Hublard's program.
Why not scan and post the letter to alt.binaries.scientology?
Virginia McClaughry
That reminds me, for those who want to see this letter in it's original
form - the letter and the envelope with the postmark will be part of
documentation of multiple Black ops, both on the
www.scientologyintegrity.org site, and the www.hasi.ws site - and the
webbing of that documentation will be done when we get done with the
www.ronsorgusa.org site.
Virginia
nobody <nob...@anonymous.com> wrote in message
news:101552514.0...@drn.newsguy.com...
Dave Bird
Spacetraveler <spacetra...@hotmail.com> writes:
>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message news:<4108a
>c88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>>
>> See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>> France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or me,
>> all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>
>Start duplicating,
Must I buy my own photocopier? I don't keep one at home.
--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8====3 (O 0) GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL no real OT has
|n| (COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE) ever existed
.................................................................
A society without a religion is like a maniac without a chainsaw.
Dave Bird
Schwarz <Stilllov...@myway.com> writes:
>spacetra...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote in message news:<9f53d1e2.04
>> > > Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
>> > >
>> > > See, people like Gerry or Keith Henson, or Dave Touretzky, as well as in
>> > > France, Alain Vivien , the french govt office against criminal cults, or
>me,
>> > > all are still under fair gaming of the cult, and you would try to
>> > > demonstrate that your crime maffia do no longer practice it?
>> > >
>does
>> > > write on us, and cease to lie to ... fair game a bit more those already
>> > > fair-gamed.
>> > >
>> > > r
>> >
>> >
>> > I have been to the religiousfreedomwatch.org website frequently, Roger
>> > Gonnet, and I have not seen one single lie yet. You just hate that
>> > site as they list some of your evil deeds.
>>
>> They make up their OWN reality.
>
>Most of what the www
Proctological pixie.
Rodi
> Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.04080...@posting.google.com>...
> > rod...@yahoo.com (Rodi) wrote in message news:<1ed87747.04073...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Stilllov...@myway.com (Barbara Schwarz) wrote in message news:<bf456302.0407...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > wbarwell <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:<410b3ba2$0$17097$811e...@news.mylinuxisp.com>...
> > > > > edo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 30 Jul 2004, spacetra...@hotmail.com (Spacetraveler) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTER-L-ANTISPAM]> wrote in message
> > > > > >>news:<4108ac88$0$15284$636a...@news.free.fr>...
> > > > > >>> Reading the topic line is already enough to make us explode of laughing.
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Hi Barbara Schuartz
Please Barbara, this is too much for me, you makes me cry
:-))))))))))))
Someone Who really knows L.R.H, knows very well the Demon, the Beast,
and the Evil person who he is!!!
Just that, he is a Fraud and you too!
So, Barbara..............
Please have a nice day, and has ever, send my hello to David Miscavige
from the RTC, Mike Rinder from OSA International and all the bunch of
loosers of
the Cave of Scientology, again nice to meet you!
Rodi
THE FILES OF RODI
SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/
Eglish - Spanish - Web Site
Babbling.Barbara.Schwarz
Oh, Rodi, you're just mad at David because he told you that you were a
rank amateur at giving blowjobs. Give it a rest, will you?
We can't all be great cocksuckers.
Guess who?
Foregoing posting is not made by Barbara Schwarz but is another
forgery by slimy maggot and notorious identity stealer and liar Garry
Lynn Scarff.
Read Scarff in his own dangerous words: "You're very lucky there's
2000 miles between us, Beebe. You'd either be dead or in ICU."
Garry Scarff: "Yup! I AM SATAN, HEAR ME ROAR!"
Postings with e-mail address Barbara...@emailaccount.com and
identities "Barbara_Schwarz", "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"
and "Truth Speaker 2" are not done by me. I also don't post with ID
Still_lying_about_Marty. No posting by me, the true Barbara Schwarz,
is made under Babbling.Barbara.Schwarz and e-mail address
theonewhoisadelu...@emailaccount.com.
Those postings are forgeries of criminal, Aids infected, gay lunatic
Garry Lynn Scarff who is a fanatical defender of the porn and bomb
instruction guy Dave Touretzky. I wonder how much Touretzky is
involved in getting my home address constantly posted against my will
and in Scarff's perverted misinformation that I admire Touretzky or
want to be married to him or to be his "sex slave"!
Scarff is nobody on his own and also stole the identity of Mark
Rathbun Marty Rathbun (mrat...@scientology.org). I believe there is
something like the gay Mafia, and Scarff belongs it it. He constantly
posts my home address on the net in hope I come to harm or that I am
being murdered by those that find the address, if he can't make
himself to my town to kill me.
Scarff persecutes me from thread to thread often using my name as
identity for those crimes (!) and verbally assaults me, threatens me,
harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to intimidate me, libels,
insults and lies about me. He also posts with identity "Dicktop Stud"
and "Papa Boner". He furthermore lied that he spoke to a roomate of
mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never was in that hospital,
but he probably escaped from one. It is also striking that especially
the worst and most lawless guys, as Scarff, promote junk science
psychiatry.
Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to
Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo
member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
their active members, and that one of their active members murdered
others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as
their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, don't see what's wrong with that.
And below is a list of other anti-religious extremists, or psychiatric
trolls, how I call them. As far as I have seen, only a few of those
are not pro Scarff.
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Gerald Armstrong
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/armstrong1.html
Jim Beebe
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/beebej1.html
Graham Berry
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/berry.html
David Bird
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/birdd1.html
Tory Christman
http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/christmant4.html
Ursula Caberta
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/caberta.html
Ida Camburn
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/camburn1.html
Joe Cisar
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/cisarj1.html
Robert Clark
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/clark1.html
Elizabeth Ann Cox
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/coxea1.html
Mark Dallara
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/dallara1.html
Alexander Dvorkin
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/dvorkin1.html
Valerie Emanuel
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/emanuelv1.html
Steven Fishman
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/fishman1.html
Vickki Ford Cook
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/fordv1.html
Phil Georgi
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/jacobsen6.html
Scott Goehring
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/goehrings1.html
Roger Gonnet
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/gonnet1.html
Barbara Graham
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/graham1.html
Patricia Greenway
http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/greenwayp1.html
Gregg Hagglund
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/hagglund1.html
Steve Hassan
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/hassan1.html
Tilman Hausherr
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/hauser1.html
Andreas Heldal-Lund
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund1.html
Keith Henson
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/henson1.html
Deana Holmes
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/holmes1.html
Jeff Jacobsen
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/jacobsen1.html
Charlotte Kates
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/katesc1.html
Steven Kent
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/kent1.html
Mike Krotz
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/krotz1.html
Arnie Lerma
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lerma1.html
Pamela Lichtenwalner
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lichtenwalner01.html
Joe Lynn
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lynn1.html
Ted Mayett
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/mayett1.html
Frank Oliver
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/oliver.html
Kady O'Malley
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/omalley1.html
Zenon Panoussis
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/panoussis1.html
Ted Patrick
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/patrick1.html
Michael Pattinson
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pattinsonm1.html
Bruce/Kathleen Pettycrew
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/pettycrew.html
Jesse Prince
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/prince1.html
Roland Rashleigh-Berry
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/rashleighb1.html
David Rice
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/riced.html
Fred Rice
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/ricef.html
Rick Ross
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/rossr1.html
Karin Spaink
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/spaink1.html
David Touretzky
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/touretzky1.html
Alan Walter
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/walter1.html
Johan Wevers
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/weversj1.html
Hana/Jerry Whitfield
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/false_exp/whitfield1.html
Larry Wollersheim
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/wollersheim1.html
--
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org
--
Rodi
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Hi Barbara Schuartz
Please Barbara, this is too much for me, you makes me :-)))!
Please have a nice day, and has ever...................
For further Information about
The Cave of Scientology
THE FILES OF RODI
SCIENTOLOGY THE FRAUD EXPOSED
http://ar.geocities.com/rodi4f/
Eglish - Spanish - Web Site
P/S:
David Miscavige do not know what to do with you, :-)!
Saludos Rodi
Barbara Schwarz
You are even dumbr than I thought you are, Rodi. How come you don't
get that it is not me who posts perverted text but Scarff who posts
his dirt under my name?
Barbara Schwarz