This is what is needed:
1) Encourage everyone to come to Flag® for their next service since this will
help distimulate a very restimulated country and bring in more theta.
2) People who are willing to go to New York to give assists and whatever else
is needed. Need names and phone numbers. People will probably be leaving within
24 hours but this has to be coordinated with the Red Cross,
3) Donations are needed to cover air fares, buses, T-shirts etc. Donations
should be given to Benetta Slaughter. It would be a tax deductible donation to
the Gung Ho Groups. Call 446-1100 for info on how to make out checks.
4) A blood drive is being set up for tomorrow morning either outside the FH
or in the Sandcastle area.
5) Need donations of Way to Happiness booklets. These can be dropped off at
the FH.
6) Right now what is needed most is people to come in to the FSM area in the
FH to make calls. There should be 50 phones available (being set up right now).
This is very much needed since calls will be made to all the members of the
different groups. If you can come at night or during the day tomorrow, please
do report to Kaye.
Kaye can be reached at the FH 461-1282 ext. 36825
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Money is exactly what seemed already interesting in the message below
"Baron, what the disaster costs."
Incredible. Please, Bob, send me the original message in my mailbox, by
**follow-up**. It'll be used here.
roger
Bob Minton <b...@minton.org> a écrit dans le message :
eltupt4l7lgp2is6a...@4ax.com...
> 4) A blood drive is being set up for tomorrow morning either outside the FH
>or in the Sandcastle area.
Will they take SP blood? Interesting to go and stand in line and see.
Mike
Only with a personality test.
I wonder what blood bank they will donate to? I hope they don't sell blood
type info to the raelians for future sabotage.
Feisty
>
> Mike
>
Considering the booming market in 'blood products' I'm sure they would.
Zinj
Un-fucking-believable!
There really are no depths to which this repulsive crime syndicate will
not stoop.
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
A word of caution here - Mayor Guiliani has made it very clear in his message to
the people of NYC yesterday that people who are out to make a profit from this
disaster will be severely dealt with.
> 2) People who are willing to go to New York to give assists and whatever else
>is needed. Need names and phone numbers. People will probably be leaving within
>24 hours but this has to be coordinated with the Red Cross,
The bridges and tunnels into NYC are closed.
> 3) Donations are needed to cover air fares, buses, T-shirts etc. Donations
>should be given to Benetta Slaughter. It would be a tax deductible donation to
>the Gung Ho Groups. Call 446-1100 for info on how to make out checks.
T-shirts??? How tacky can you get.
> 4) A blood drive is being set up for tomorrow morning either outside the FH
>or in the Sandcastle area.
Donating blood is a good idea for anyone.
> 5) Need donations of Way to Happiness booklets. These can be dropped off at
>the FH.
>
> 6) Right now what is needed most is people to come in to the FSM area in the
>FH to make calls. There should be 50 phones available (being set up right now).
>This is very much needed since calls will be made to all the members of the
>different groups. If you can come at night or during the day tomorrow, please
>do report to Kaye.
>
> Kaye can be reached at the FH 461-1282 ext. 36825
I find it disgusting that this tragedy is being used as a way for you folks to
promote yourselves. The term that comes to my mind is ambulance chasers.
Monica Pignotti
Bob Minton wrote:
> From: "Darlene K. Swanson" <dar...@van-garde.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 XX:XX:XX -0400
> To: <cec...@lists.intnet.net> (CEC News)
> Subject: What you can do about today's events
>
> This is what is needed:
>
> 1) Encourage everyone to come to Flag® for their next service since this will
> help distimulate a very restimulated country and bring in more theta.
>
> 2) People who are willing to go to New York to give assists and whatever else
> is needed. Need names and phone numbers. People will probably be leaving within
> 24 hours but this has to be coordinated with the Red Cross,
>
> 3) Donations are needed to cover air fares, buses, T-shirts etc. Donations
> should be given to Benetta Slaughter. It would be a tax deductible donation to
> the Gung Ho Groups. Call 446-1100 for info on how to make out checks.
>
> 4) A blood drive is being set up for tomorrow morning either outside the FH
> or in the Sandcastle area.
>
> 5) Need donations of Way to Happiness booklets. These can be dropped off at
> the FH.
>
> 6) Right now what is needed most is people to come in to the FSM area in the
> FH to make calls. There should be 50 phones available (being set up right now).
> This is very much needed since calls will be made to all the members of the
> different groups. If you can come at night or during the day tomorrow, please
> do report to Kaye.
This is kind of interesting. Many years ago I ran phone banks in support of
political campaigns. This sort of operation is time sensitive just as the message
suggests because people are much more likely to respond closer to the actual time
of the event.
It takes about five minutes of telephoning to make one effective contact, that is,
assuming that it requires two minutes to make your pitch, handle objections and,
or, questions and three minutes to get a live voice, you need five minutes per
contact. That equals twelve good contacts per hour. If they operate the phone
bank from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. they can reach 144 per phone line per day. Fifty phone
lines can reach about 7,200 people per day. To reach 8 million members will take
1,111 days. But, to reach the actual number of "active" members will take one
week.
SP
> 2) People who are willing to go to New York to give assists and whatever else
>is needed. Need names and phone numbers. People will probably be leaving within
>24 hours but this has to be coordinated with the Red Cross,
>
You're being pulled out of a pile of burning rubble with both arms and
both legs broken, internal bleeding and burns over half your body.
Which do you choose?
a) Morphine.
b) A 'touch assist' from some opportunistic quack who blew into town
as part of what looks to be a glorified PR junket.
You won't have the choice. The quack in scenario "b," (having been kept
far away from the site) is searching for grieving relatives who will
have large insurance settlements that their UFO nut-cult can suck dry.
I thought that ever since Factor VIII is being produced by genetically
engineered bacteria and pigs, the permanent shortages on the market for
blood products were largely eradicated. It seems to me that Albumin is now
the most important 'blood product', but I may be mistaken.
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
"Funny- Billy never mentioned anything about Scientology- how much did
you say he promised to donate?"
You'll notice that this message exhorts Scn'ists to donate blood...
I've seen messages on other boards encouraging Scn'ists to donate blood and
give assists.
C
If you pass the normal blood donation criteria, you're a ok with us.
If you don't or just wish to bait people, then it's just rhetoric.
Rhetoric does not help victims of terrorism.
Like it or not, a number of Scn'ists who post these things really do care
about the wounded and their families, just as the many critics who've
encouraged others to donate blood or other efforts, do.
C
Sir:
Please be advised that touch assists are free and when they are given in a
disaster situation they are given by people who _are_ _not_ _checking_ _id_,
but who instead, deliver the assist and move on to the next person.
Scn'ists are also being asked on every board I've seen to donate blood and
time, as well.
Sorry to burst your little bubble there, sweetie.
C
Fine; he knows how people can be motivated to help.
>
> I find it disgusting that this tragedy is being used as a way for you
folks to
> promote yourselves. The term that comes to my mind is ambulance chasers.
Worse: jackals, rats, sharks. The cannibal type, uh, the Hubbardian type.
PS: I'm sure that when I was a clam, I would have been able to make such
things so as to "help scientology to clear the planet" . How brainwashed one
can be...
roger
Unfortunately they're exhorted to sell $cientology before being told to give
blood. And they deserve to be dragged out in front fo the camera for their
jackal's behavior.
What bubble is that? How mindlessly optimistic clams can be when they
believe the crap that's been pounded into them. They don't even believe
they've been under mind-control techniques when they regenerate the useless
crap spewed by $cientology.
Out them on camera! Show the world what they're doing!
COS did the very same things after the Oklahoma City bombing. Offered a
free debris removal service and wore t shirts with Church of
Scientology on them. Pictures of those activities later appeared in
FREEDOM magazine.
One local so-called Scientology minister (there is no COS in Oklahoma
or Oklahoma City unless you consider NarCONon, which is located many
miles away from OKC to be a church) got her letter published in the
DAILY OKLAHOMAN applauding and thanking scientologists from all over the
U.S. who had come to help in "our" hour of need.
But knowing full well some in Oklahoma would know about the COS, they
also offered a "free lunch and lecture" at a local university with nary
a mention of Hubbard of Scientology in their newspaper ad.
I would suggest, if Mr. Minton has proof that that directive exists, he
send it with URLs for information on Scientology. (The TIME cover story,
SCIENTOLOGY, THE CULT OF GREED AND POWER would be good. It includes the
NarCONon con and the subsequent harassment inflicted on Oklahoma.) And
an explanation of the hidden agendas of this "HELPING HAND".
It has been reported that Oklahoma is taking out a full page ad in a
New York paper to offer support and encouragement to the people of New
York City and that 2,000 a day in Oklahoma City are donating blood. New
York City fire and rescue teams were here immediately after the Oklahoma
City bombing and helped enormously with that senseless tragedy.
We shall be eternally grateful to those brave men and women, some who
may now have lost their lives on a similar rescue mission.
Tigger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL. I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK IT'S
HELL."'
Harry S. Truman (GIVE 'EM HELL, HARRY)
U. S. President
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Keep in mind that "touch assists" are given away by the cult. With their
"doctrine of exchange" it indicates that, deep down, they know what it's
worth!
I cannot even imagine being injured or stunned by a terrible incident
such as this, and having some asshole cult member start poking me
relentlessly until I admit that I'm feeling better. I think if capable,
I'd apply an ouch assist of my own.
Regardless, the cult knows that vulnerable people are more susceptible
to their scam. I agree with Norle Enturbulata, we should get cameras
down on the street recording their activities. Bleeding? In shock? Here,
read this Way to Happiness pamphlet, and come on into the org for some
nice brainw...errr...group processing.
When you were a clam, you probably thought that touch assists were of
use. I suspect these volunteers will be going to NYC with the firm
belief that they will truly be helping people. Others will view their
behavior as that of scavengers, snuffling out the injured and
shell-shocked to the benefit of the mother-church. They will be seen as
opportunistic predators but, if confronted with this attitude, the clams
truly won't understand that point of view. They will feel hurt and
dismayed by it.
Of course, should they ever blow, it will all become very clear to them.
Be that as it may, there are many Scn'ists whom I know, including myself who
are just sick about all the people who've died and are ill.
I myself and many of the people I know would not be interested in wearing
any tshirt. We'd just like to help people. I wouldn't care if they knew who
I was or why I was doing it.
When I go to bed at night, I think about all those who've died. Then I dream
about it, a bit. Or I did, last night, anyway. Then when I wake up I think
of the fact that the death toll is about 20,000 in NYC. And I would gladly
give my own life if it meant that this horrible event could be canceled out.
But of course, that cannot happen.
Most Scn'ists I know of DO care about the victims of this horrible tragedy.
However, an awful lot of them are church centered and not taking a do it
yourself approach to Scn as I do these days. So they're in touch with their
church. And their church spearheads a campaign to donate blood, give
assists, etc. But that does not mean that those involved do not care.
C
>If you pass the normal blood donation criteria, you're a ok with us.
>If you don't or just wish to bait people, then it's just rhetoric.
>Rhetoric does not help victims of terrorism.
>Like it or not, a number of Scn'ists who post these things really do care
>about the wounded and their families, just as the many critics who've
>encouraged others to donate blood or other efforts, do.
I am sure that Scientologists donating blood really do care, and similarly
certain that Scientologists in general are as deeply horrified by the events of
September 11 as the rest of the world.
However, management chooses to use this as a venue for profiteering and
proselytizing. That, I find revolting and inhuman.
ptsc
Church management does an awful lot of things I disagree with and even get
angered at. (I just know my grammar's shot, but bear with me.) But I do
think, in my humble opinion, that this does not mean that church management
does not care about the victims of this terrible tragedy.
It does look like they are taking a PR opportunity, perhaps. And if it were
me running things I'd not broadcast that so much, but I still do not for one
minute think that they don't also have some genuine feelings of sorrow,
empathy and wishing to help.
People are a mixed bag. Critics are, church management are, just people in
general are.
This is, ironically enough, a lesson I learned partially through my
communications to/from this forum and my many very interesting talks with
critics. I learned that life is not all black and white. Since that applies
to critics it also applies to anyone else.
C
I applaud the call for Scientologists to give blood... But is OT blood safe
for
non-clears?
John.
I'm inactive these days, as you know, and I think that assists are sometimes
very helpful. So do many Free Zoners and other non church Scn'ists, in fact.
However, I'd never advocate it as an end in of itself.
Touch assists and locationals are a type of stop gap, just made to assist
healing or to stabilize the person til the ambulance gets there.
I'd no more substitute assists for standard medical care than I'd fly to the
moon (or Venus!). Neither would any other Scn'ist I know.
Maybe SOME would- there're dipshits in every group, but the majority of us
would not.
C
Bodies are just that- *bodies*.
Obviously there's nothing in Scn tenets about that.
Not a very funny joke, John.
C
Well, since there's no OatTees, nor "Clears", it's a moot point.
Unfortunately they're exhorted to sell $cientology before being told to give
What bubble is that? How mindlessly optimistic clams can be when they
Well, since there's no OatTees, nor "Clears", it's a moot point.
I'm sorry, but this sounds like the usual, 'Mystic Meg's psychic readings
are for entertainment use only' speil.
If a treatment is effective in any way, it's possible to substantiate
it's effectiveness in a way that would convince the scientific/medical
community. Why hasn't this occurred?
What makes you say that?
Hi Claire, why did you say you're no scientologist, when you cut such most
important passages as "come to Flag to take next service"??
Really, you'd better think a bit more BY YOURSELF. I'm sure you're
intelligent, but brainwashed, till now.
roger
error. OTs are supposed to be freed of bodies necessity.
Don't you want to remind where elrong is now? Why don't you ask him
directly?
r
> Church management does an awful lot of things I disagree with and even get
> angered at. (I just know my grammar's shot, but bear with me.) But I do
> think, in my humble opinion, that this does not mean that church
management
> does not care about the victims of this terrible tragedy.
It cares mainly about stats, money. That's their producty, don't ya see?
That's what is angering you, Claire, is it correct?
roger
More or less. But the next minutes they have thought they were indeed
helping, if ever their managers ask them to distribute "invitations" to
their f* "church", like here:
"http://www.country.com/news/feat/nash.vigil.091301.jhtml
An estimated 1,500 people came to NashvilleÕs Centennial Park Wednesday
(Sept. 12) to mourn the terrorist attacks carried out against America the
day before. In spite of the evident provocation for anger and grief, the
crowd was remarkably quiet and subdued. Even the young children attending
seemed to catch the seriousness of the moment and stayed close to their
parents.
Instead of mingling, most of the people sat on the park lawn in clusters
throughout the observance. Some wore white ribbons on badges that read
"God Bless America." Others carried small American flags. A handful of
young people circulated through the crowd and handed out invitations to
the Church of Scientology."
these scioenos can be really outraged at their chiefs stats and leave. I'm
sure that this won't escape their few sagacity left, and that the handling
of the crazy commanders of scientology shall help lots of them to leave.
More specifically those who will be most pressured to give money.
roger
That is not the subject of this thread.
C
I have *never* said I'm no Scientologist.
Geez, guy, it's like you don't even know *what* I write.
when you cut such most
> important passages as "come to Flag to take next service"??
What the hell are you talking about?
If I clipped that from some post it's obvious that I've no interest in it.
And I for sure never originated that sentiment on this ng so not sure what
you're on about....
>
> Really, you'd better think a bit more BY YOURSELF. I'm sure you're
> intelligent, but brainwashed, till now.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Your post makes no sense. Not because you're a critic, but because what you
say does not follow.
You say I say I'm no Scientoligist- I never said that. I have said
repeatedly that I am, but am taking a do it yourself approach these days,
that I'm inactive with CofS.
(Which you keep referring to as "my cult". D'oh!!)
Then you seem to imply the fact that I apparently snipped "Come to Flag"
seems to be at odds with my not being a Scientologist? Huh? Wouldn't a non
Scientologist find that to be not a sentiment they'd care to mention?
If you're that comprehension impaired, read my FAQ or my numerous posts
where I decry many of the activities of the church against critics and even
against some of their members and in which I say I'm inactive.
I'd say I do a damn fine job of thinking for myself.
Too bad I can't say the same for you.
C
We were talking about *blood*- donation of, Roger.
C
Huh?
The fact that they care about stats is angering me?
Izzat what you're saying?
Oh who the fuck can tell...
No, actually, I don't give a flying fuck about the stats one way or t'other.
My sentiments are as stated.
Reread and wordclear as necessary.
C
Where can I find your FAQ?
Jb.
"John B." <Jo...@nhoj.jon> wrote in message
news:9nt3rn$9t6$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
> Fluffy,
>
> Where can I find your FAQ?
>
> Jb.
It's hosted by freespeech.org which appears to be down. Or at least I can't
access it.
But here's the url
http://free.freespeech.org/fluffygirl/
C
> From: "Darlene K. Swanson" <dar...@van-garde.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 XX:XX:XX -0400
> To: <cec...@lists.intnet.net> (CEC News)
> Subject: What you can do about today's events
>
> help distimulate a very restimulated country
"Distimulate?"
> 2) People who are willing to go to New York to give
> assists and whatever else is needed.
Only if brings money into the crime syndicate, and / or if it
results in positive PR.
Scientologists are not allowed, as per policy, to perform
altruistic acts.
---
"Faith doesn't move mountains: it levels buildings." -- David Rice
Facts, complete absence of any shred of qualified proof, and only hearsay to
backup the claim of them existing. How about that?