Rod and the LMT
Teresa Summers
"Rod's post is but one example of how the LMT operates."
I work at the LMT. I don't believe I have ever even met Rod -- I assume this
is Rod Keller. Perhaps I did at the 2000 picket but I was very new and don't
remember all the people.
I don't believe he has ever been in our offices since I began working here
Oct 2000. He is involved in none of our current projects. He speaks to none
of the people who call or visit.
So how is it he is an example of how the LMT operates? Just curious.
Teresa
arnie lerma
It is an example of the the exact same way Miscavige's Bridge to
total Freedum operates...
on implication and innuendo
Every pseudo criticizm, every statement OSa makes - to try to
attach implied evil innuendo to critics... is a clue.
A clue to the nature of the heart of Scientology.
There is nothing there...
No OTs Either
or you wouldnt be reading this line.
arnie
>Teresa
>
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/grifters.htm - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
You want Bigots? http://members.home.net/bwarr1/Movie2.html
Rod Keller
: I work at the LMT. I don't believe I have ever even met Rod -- I assume this
: is Rod Keller. Perhaps I did at the 2000 picket but I was very new and don't
: remember all the people.
:
: I don't believe he has ever been in our offices since I began working here
: Oct 2000. He is involved in none of our current projects. He speaks to none
: of the people who call or visit.
We met briefly in December, but as I recall you were really busy and a lot
of folks were coming and going. I'd say I'm the one with the long hair and
beard, but maybe that doesn't narrow it down too much. I don't think we
saw each other during the time of the Clearwater 13 trial when I was at
the office frequently. Next time I come down I hope we'll have a chance to
talk for a few minutes.
As Theresa says, I'm not involved in any of the Trust's projects, other
from a few donations of material to help build the library. Of the people
who've come to visit, I guess I've spoken to a few, but not at 33 N. Fort
Harrison, and not on behalf of the Trust. I speak to Tory sometimes, I met
Debra Barnes while protesting in Clearwater, I've spoken with Uschi once
or twice. But I'm not a contact person for people coming to the Trust for
help.
Here's a fairly decent picture of me in front of FCDC.
http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/7959/1mage23.jpg
--
Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher / Black Hat #1
Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece / Shelly Thompson in Drag
The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
Bigot of Mystery / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully / Killer Rod
Teresa Summers
Rod,
Ok. Looking at your picture I do remember you from the Clearwater 13 days.
You walked by my office a few times. Thanks for reminding me.
Teresa
barb
>
> Teresa Summers (tsum...@lisatrust.net) wrote:
> : I work at the LMT. I don't believe I have ever even met Rod -- I assume this
> : is Rod Keller. Perhaps I did at the 2000 picket but I was very new and don't
> : remember all the people.
> :
> : I don't believe he has ever been in our offices since I began working here
> : Oct 2000. He is involved in none of our current projects. He speaks to none
> : of the people who call or visit.
>
> We met briefly in December, but as I recall you were really busy and a lot
> of folks were coming and going. I'd say I'm the one with the long hair and
> beard, but maybe that doesn't narrow it down too much. I don't think we
> saw each other during the time of the Clearwater 13 trial when I was at
> the office frequently. Next time I come down I hope we'll have a chance to
> talk for a few minutes.
>
> As Theresa says, I'm not involved in any of the Trust's projects, other
> from a few donations of material to help build the library. Of the people
> who've come to visit, I guess I've spoken to a few, but not at 33 N. Fort
> Harrison, and not on behalf of the Trust. I speak to Tory sometimes, I met
> Debra Barnes while protesting in Clearwater, I've spoken with Uschi once
> or twice. But I'm not a contact person for people coming to the Trust for
> help.
>
> Here's a fairly decent picture of me in front of FCDC.
> http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/7959/1mage23.jpg
"We are sorry, but this page is not available for viewing..."
>
> --
> Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com / Irresponsible Publisher / Black Hat #1
> Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece / Shelly Thompson in Drag
> The Lerma Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision of Destruction
> Bigot of Mystery / OSA Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully / Killer Rod
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site
"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable
insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as
Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
Diane Richardson
<tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
Ummm ... Teresa, as Vice President of the LMT you should know the
members of your company's Board of Directors. You can find Rod
Keller, along with the other Board members listed at
http://www.lisatrust.net/AboutLMT.htm
HTH. I hope this isn't indicative of your normal level
of competence.
Your ignorance indicates that either a) your job title as an LMT
executive is entirely fraudulent, b) the LMT Board of Directors
exists only on the LMT website and not in the real world, or
c) both of the above.
I tend to believe the correct explanation is c) both of the above.
Diane Richardson
ref...@bway.net
JimDBB
>From: ref...@bway.net (Diane Richardson)
>Date: 8/22/01 6:28 AM Central
>>So how is it he is an example of how the LMT operates? Just curious.
>
>Ummm ... Teresa, as Vice President of the LMT you should know the
>members of your company's Board of Directors. You can find Rod
>Keller, along with the other Board members listed at
>
> http://www.lisatrust.net/AboutLMT.htm
>
>HTH. I hope this isn't indicative of your normal level
>of competence.
>
>Your ignorance indicates that either a) your job title as an LMT
>executive is entirely fraudulent, b) the LMT Board of Directors
>exists only on the LMT website and not in the real world, or
>c) both of the above.
>
>I tend to believe the correct explanation is c) both of the above.
>Diane Richardson
>ref...@bway.net
Well, this is four attacks already this morning on the LMT. Diane has to get
them all in before work at the Institute as she doesn't dare post her vitriol
from there now. She has to maintain her lies that she never posts to the ARS
from her work.
Perhaps Deanna can help you out and get off some shots at Minton, Teresa and
the evil LMT during the day and you can take over again at night...after work.
Diane and Deanna...a Confederacy of Dunces.
JImdbb
Tigger
>>Someone previously wrote:
> http://www.lisatrust.net/AboutLMT.htm
>Diane Richardson
Oh geesh,
I can't believe I am going to agree with Diane Richardson, but I do.
c) both o the above.
Did Rod Keller ever mention HE was on the Board of Directors? Gee,
maybe he doesn't even know. Has LMT never had a Board of Directors'
meeting? Oh drat, I guess that was another stupid tigger
question. Who's been ill informing me? :( Why would there ever be a
Board of Directors' meeting when the Chairman of the Board only takes
directions from the President of the Company?
Gee, I wonder if Dr. Lottick knows he's a member of the LMT Board of
Directors?
Tigger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL. I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK IT'S
HELL."'
Harry S. Truman (GIVE 'EM HELL, HARRY)
U. S. President
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark Bunker
Tigger, this isn't the time to attack the LMT. This is the time to
show support for "The Profit."
Please don't allow others to sidetrack you.
Harry Truman kept his eye on the prize that's why he was the first
president to win both the Nobel Peace Prize and the Kentucky Derby in
the same year.
ultram...@webtv.net
He didnt know he had the film,she didnt know she was VP.
scary.
Movie: "The Profit" coming to Clearwater soon.
www.theprofit.org
Rod Keller
: Did Rod Keller ever mention HE was on the Board of Directors? Gee,
: maybe he doesn't even know. Has LMT never had a Board of Directors'
: meeting? Oh drat, I guess that was another stupid tigger
: question. Who's been ill informing me? :( Why would there ever be a
: Board of Directors' meeting when the Chairman of the Board only takes
: directions from the President of the Company?
:
: Gee, I wonder if Dr. Lottick knows he's a member of the LMT Board of
: Directors?
I have this idiot in my extensive killfile, but saw this on Mark's reply.
The workings of the LMT board are, of course, a matter only for the board
to be worried about. I am proud to be a member of the board and do what I
can to help the Lisa McPherson Trust. Very little, really, compared to the
staff members. I don't think it's at all surprising that Theresa spends
more time working on projects that help people rather then memorizing the
Trust's web site.
As for Dr. Ed Lottick and his lovely wife Sally, they have been tremendous
in their support of the Trust. I admire them both greatly, and some of my
fondest memories are of our visits to Clearwater. If you care to take
shots at two people who have lost so much, and have given so much of
themselves to help others, then you really are slime.
Teresa Summers
mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
is an indication of "how the LMT operates." And you know, I meant no offense
in stating that you were not a part of the day-to-day operations of LMT. Why
would you be? A Member of the Board of the company I worked at for three
years prior to this job had no hand in the daily activities, either. And, as
for not knowing what you looked like, oh well. What can I say. Now I do.
See, someone else who seems to have a habit of jumping on my posts and taking
them into directions far afield of what's stated began the bit about me not
knowing you were on the board. No need to worry about it.
Teresa Summers
board -- though I did and never said or indicated that I didn't. But, the
whole current attack on me is "Teresa didn't know Rod Keller was on the
board. She is SUCH a moron!" etc etc. Just so you know.
Teresa
Tigger
Gee Mr. Keller, What would be the logical thing to do, when a Vice
President of a Company on whose Board of Directors you served, said she
didn't know you from Adam, especially if you are extremely proud of the
position? Tell her all the chance meetings you may have had, which she
doeesn't remember or that you were a member of the Board of Directors of
the company which employs her, a position of which you are so proud? I
mean you wouldn't want the Vice President to be ill informed, would you?
If a member of the Board of Directors called to talk to Mr. Minton or Ms
Brooks, would he/she tell Ms Summers, oh I met you in such and such a
place on such and such a date or that he/she was a member of the Board
of Directors which employs her, especially after she says she can't
remember you?
>As for Dr. Ed Lottick and his lovely wife
> Sally, they have been tremendous in
> their support of the Trust. I admire them
> both greatly, and some of my fondest
> memories are of our visits to
> Clearwater.
I, too, have met Dr. and Mrs. Lottick and think they are wonderful
people. Perhaps you didn't see my post a few months ago when I posted
about TWO WONDERFUL PEOPLE. (And I'm not talking Minton and Brooks
here) Someone requested a copy of the copy Dr. Lottick sent to me of a
letter he wrote about his son to a University President in my state.
(Ooops, I guess I just blew the rumor that Bunker and Minton seem to be
spreading that Patricia Greenway is Tigger, didn' I? :-)
> If you care to take shots at
> two people who have lost so much, and
> have given so much of themselves to
> help others, then you really are slime.
My, I think you need a new pair of glasses too. You seem to be seeing
things that aren't there. Or maybe you just need to wipe the slime off
the ones you have? I was asking if Dr. Lottick knew he was a member of
the Board of Directors of LMT. If he wasn't a director, I wasn't going
to bother him with questions.
-
Gee, maybe you need a new slime meter too. The one you presently have
doesn't seem to be working properly.
LOL I see you have adopted the STARSHADOW defense, I have kilfiled the
idiot, so how could I possibly see her posts (answer her questions.)?
>Rod Keller / rke...@voicenet.com /
> Irresponsible Publisher / Black Hat #1
> Expert of the Toilet / CWPD Mouthpiece
> / Shelly Thompson in Drag The Lerma
> Apologist / Merchant of Chaos / Vision
> of Destruction Bigot of Mystery / OSA
> Patsy / Quasi-Scieno / Mental Bully /
> Killer Rod
And these are the qualifications for what?
Killing messages or messengers??????
Tigger
Rod Keller
: For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
: mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
: is an indication of "how the LMT operates." And you know, I meant no offense
: in stating that you were not a part of the day-to-day operations of LMT. Why
: would you be? A Member of the Board of the company I worked at for three
: years prior to this job had no hand in the daily activities, either. And, as
: for not knowing what you looked like, oh well. What can I say. Now I do.
:
: See, someone else who seems to have a habit of jumping on my posts and taking
: them into directions far afield of what's stated began the bit about me not
: knowing you were on the board. No need to worry about it.
No problem at all, no offense was ever taken. Apology not needed. :-)
Apparently I'll see you soon, since they're planning to waste more time
with a deposition next month. "Have you ever enslaved a civilization" type
of things, I expect.
Mark Bunker
I didn't say you were Patricia. I only responded to your post in
which you said that Bob was Laral, that you "could" be Patricia or I
could be Spartacus. When you posted that my office was on the non
existent third floor of the LMT, I knew you weren't Patricia but
merely being fed stories by her. Stories such as the LMT storming out
of the film in protest.
If Harry Truman had used your logic during his terms in office, he
never would have won the civil war and re-united the North and South.
Sitting in the front row at "the Profit" could lead to eye strain and
vision impairment but its worth it!
Russ K
> Tigger (boobook...@webtv.net) wrote:
> : Did Rod Keller ever mention HE was on the Board of Directors? Gee,
> : maybe he doesn't even know. Has LMT never had a Board of Directors'
> : meeting? Oh drat, I guess that was another stupid tigger
> : question. Who's been ill informing me? :( Why would there ever be a
> : Board of Directors' meeting when the Chairman of the Board only takes
> : directions from the President of the Company?
> :
> : Gee, I wonder if Dr. Lottick knows he's a member of the LMT Board of
> : Directors?
>
> I have this idiot in my extensive killfile, but saw this on Mark's reply.
> The workings of the LMT board are, of course, a matter only for the board
> to be worried about. I am proud to be a member of the board and do what I
> can to help the Lisa McPherson Trust. Very little, really, compared to the
> staff members. I don't think it's at all surprising that Theresa spends
> more time working on projects that help people rather then memorizing the
> Trust's web site.
>
> As for Dr. Ed Lottick and his lovely wife Sally, they have been tremendous
> in their support of the Trust. I admire them both greatly, and some of my
> fondest memories are of our visits to Clearwater. If you care to take
> shots at two people who have lost so much, and have given so much of
> themselves to help others, then you really are slime.
Hey Rod!
Stacy Young claims that the LMT has done more to help people than any
organisation she knows of. Do you think the LMT has done more than
CAN did? I'm asking you, as a memeber of the Board of the LMT, and
also as someone who has had his finger on the pulse of the battle for
quite a while.
Do you agree with her claim?
Thanks,
Rusty
Chris Leithiser
> Stacy Young claims that the LMT has done more to help people than any
> organisation she knows of.
No, she didn't.
Ted Mayett
<tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
>mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
>is an indication of "how the LMT operates."
No it pretty much is that when Rod or anyone from the LMT makes a
post, it is assumed to be an 'LMT' post. This is no gentle game being
played here, the stakes are high.. One would assume that a position
of any sort at the LMT carries a lot of responsibility. With the
responsibility comes a curbing of freedoms, particulary freedom of
speech. Anyone associated with the LMT has the task of weighing every
typed word on this NG at all times.
Let us make the assumpiont that certain qualities are required to be
associated with the LMT. That only a breed of people a cut above the
rest can get the positions. And then us look at the words typed by
these LMT people, and let the assumptions be then proven.
Failing that, why just allow any slop at all. There is no half ground
to this. You is - or you ain't - bottom line.
Tigger
alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Rod and the LMT Date:
Wed, Aug 22, 2001, 6:02pm WROTE:
> Tigger wrote:
>>`(oops, I guess I just blew the rumor
>> that Bunker and Minton seem to be
>> spreading that Patricia Greenway is >>Tigger, didn't' I? :-)
>I didn't say you were Patricia. I only
> responded to your post in which you
> said that Bob was Laral, that you "could"
> be Patricia or I could be Spartacus.
Geesh Mr. Bunker, you don't need a new pair of glasses, you need a
seeing eye dog. Or a memory course or a brain transplant. I did not
say that. You did.
Geesh, no wonder your little stories keep changing. You can't remember
the story you told before????? That's one reasons why my grandother
used to tell us kids you shouldn't lie.
You, MARK BUNKER SAID:
(snip of a lot of Posts)
Some poster said:
>>For that matter, who is Tigger?
Mark Bunker wrote:
> Either way, it doesn't matter. Laral could
> be Bob...Tigger could be Patricia....or I
> could be Spartacus.
I, Tigger, said:
Wow Mr. Bunker, I am flattered you think I could be Ms Greenway. But I'm
not. :-) And you certainly are not Spartacus, are you?
Don't you think it would matter if Laral were Bob or Stacy? Don't you
think that would look a little like deception and manipulation? Oh, but
I guess we only have a right to complain about those things if it is a
Scientologist who is using deception and manipulating us into believing
something that is not true? I guess it only matters when you want to
know who a Trans Sargent or a Peter Ramsey is, right?
Golly gee, did you ever think Laral might be another Jolie Steckhart
trying to cosy up to Mr. Minton? I betcha it would matter then, wouldn't
it? One post and already she has gotten Mr. Minton's attention. Do you
suppose Mr. Minton should hire a P.I. and track this Laral person down?
END OF CCP EXCERPT FROM; WHO IS LARAL?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now, Mr. Bunker, would you like to tell us who said what again? No?
Well maybe now you have a clue as to why you get screamed at by so many
women.
> When you posted that my office was on
> the non existent third floor of the LMT, I
> knew you weren't Patricia but merely
> being fed stories by her. Stories such as
> the LMT storming out of the film in
> protest.
Gee Mr. Bunker, I thought you said the thrid floor in your e mail reply
to me way back last fall. I'll see if I can find it, but it's probably
been discarded because you didn't answer any of my questions then either
and at that time, I didn't have enough smarts to know I should save lots
of stuff. But I do now. :-)
And if Patricia was feeding me anything, don't you think she would feed
me the right floor?
Do you mean to say Mr. Bunker, you haven't been on the IRC channels
(whatever they are) talking about Patricia G. and Tigger? Do you mean
to say Mr. Minton hasn't been demanding a lot of people tell him if Pat
G. is Tigger and making a complete laughtstock of himself?
Geesh, someone mgiht wonder why he is so upset by a few questions ffrom
an idiot tigger, whom everybody else just kilfiles when they don't want
to answer qustions.
>If Harry Truman had used your logic
> during his terms in office, he never
> would have won the civil war and
> re-united the North and South.
Geesh, Mr. Bunker, you are sinking fast.
Better have Mr. Minton pay forf yfour brain surgery without any further
delay.
Mark Bunker
(Tigger) wrote:
>Mark Bunker <markb...@lisatrust.net> Group:
>alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Rod and the LMT Date:
> Wed, Aug 22, 2001, 6:02pm WROTE:
>> Tigger wrote:
>
>>>`(oops, I guess I just blew the rumor
>>> that Bunker and Minton seem to be
>>> spreading that Patricia Greenway is >>Tigger, didn't' I? :-)
>
>>I didn't say you were Patricia. I only
>> responded to your post in which you
>> said that Bob was Laral, that you "could"
>> be Patricia or I could be Spartacus.
>
>Geesh Mr. Bunker, you don't need a new pair of glasses, you need a
>seeing eye dog. Or a memory course or a brain transplant. I did not
>say that. You did.
>Geesh, no wonder your little stories keep changing. You can't remember
>the story you told before????? That's one reasons why my grandother
>used to tell us kids you shouldn't lie.
>
>You, MARK BUNKER SAID:
>(snip of a lot of Posts)
>
>Some poster said:
>>>For that matter, who is Tigger?
>
>Mark Bunker wrote:
You mixed up the order of posts you're quoting. To be proper my
response was to your original post of "Who is Laral" which went like
this:
>So the questions arise: Who is this mysterious poster, who uses
>newguy.com, appears out of nowhere and appears to know so much about Bob
>Minton and the LMT? Could this be the beginning of another Dorian?
>
>Tigger, the curious female feline. :-)
To which I replied:
For that matter, who is Tigger?
Either way, it doesn't matter. Laral could be Bob...Tigger could be
Patricia....or I could be Spartacus.
I know silliness when I see it.
But you're right...this is the way to sell tickets to "The Profit."
:0)
I said you COULD be...but didn't matter since it is silliness.
As Harry Truman put it, "You say potato and I say potaato."
bob_minton
>On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:57 -0400, Teresa Summers
><tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>
>>For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
>>mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
>>is an indication of "how the LMT operates."
>
>No it pretty much is that when Rod or anyone from the LMT makes a
>post, it is assumed to be an 'LMT' post. This is no gentle game being
>played here, the stakes are high.. One would assume that a position
>of any sort at the LMT carries a lot of responsibility. With the
>responsibility comes a curbing of freedoms, particulary freedom of
>speech. Anyone associated with the LMT has the task of weighing every
>typed word on this NG at all times.
Fuck you Ted :-)
Icee
"Mark Bunker" <markb...@lisatrust.net> schreef in bericht
news:fha8ot0q66jk4eed5...@4ax.com...
> >(Ooops, I guess I just blew the rumor that Bunker and Minton seem to be
> >spreading that Patricia Greenway is Tigger, didn' I? :-)
>
> I didn't say you were Patricia. I only responded to your post in
> which you said that Bob was Laral, that you "could" be Patricia or I
> could be Spartacus. When you posted that my office was on the non
> existent third floor of the LMT, I knew you weren't Patricia but
> merely being fed stories by her.
That was to divert your attention of Tigger being Patricia, Mark:-)
Maybe you got too close, huh? Tigger knows so much about LMT
and not that it doesn't have a third floor? Bwaaaahaha........
Icee.
Nessie visiting LMT:
|(o)(o)|
http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/mgormez/clearwater/
Ted Mayett
>Fuck you Ted :-)
LOL. Clever and properly done :)
Phineas Fogg
...a Confederacy of Dunces.
>
> JImdbb
Say, Jim, I've been looking for a copy of "Confederacy of Dunces", a great
book.
Know where I can find a copy?
Phineas Fogg
Russ K
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:39:08 -0700, Ted Mayett <ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:57 -0400, Teresa Summers
> ><tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
> >
> >>For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
> >>mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
> >>is an indication of "how the LMT operates."
> >
> >No it pretty much is that when Rod or anyone from the LMT makes a
> >post, it is assumed to be an 'LMT' post. This is no gentle game being
> >played here, the stakes are high.. One would assume that a position
> >of any sort at the LMT carries a lot of responsibility. With the
> >responsibility comes a curbing of freedoms, particulary freedom of
> >speech. Anyone associated with the LMT has the task of weighing every
> >typed word on this NG at all times.
>
> Fuck you Ted :-)
OK. So are you really saying "fuck you" to Ted, or does the little
smiley make it a joke...like you're kidding, making a joke, making
light of it? This time you're not only going for diversion, but doing
it with mixed messages.
Cult leaders pull that crap all the time.
It's certainly worth discussion---the idea that with extra
responsibility comes a heightened degree of culpability. I certainly
don't believe that people are "a cut above the rest"---in fact, it
seems far from it, but a board of directors does usually speak for the
organisation they are representing.
I remember one of the first things I read when finding this
newsgroup--it was something about you, Bob Minton, saying that CAN had
been poorly managed.
I read a lot of requests for clarification on that, but no answer.
How come? Certainly if you have time to respond to this thread you
could bother to finally answer that.
yer pal,
Rusty
Zinj
smash...@volcanomail.com says...
> Bob Minton wrote in message news:<akm8ot0fs9794eplr...@4ax.com>...
> > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:39:08 -0700, Ted Mayett <ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:57 -0400, Teresa Summers
> > ><tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
> > >>mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
> > >>is an indication of "how the LMT operates."
> > >
> > >No it pretty much is that when Rod or anyone from the LMT makes a
> > >post, it is assumed to be an 'LMT' post. This is no gentle game being
> > >played here, the stakes are high.. One would assume that a position
> > >of any sort at the LMT carries a lot of responsibility. With the
> > >responsibility comes a curbing of freedoms, particulary freedom of
> > >speech. Anyone associated with the LMT has the task of weighing every
> > >typed word on this NG at all times.
> >
> > Fuck you Ted :-)
>
>
> OK. So are you really saying "fuck you" to Ted, or does the little
> smiley make it a joke...like you're kidding, making a joke, making
> light of it? This time you're not only going for diversion, but doing
> it with mixed messages.
>
> Cult leaders pull that crap all the time.
Funny. I didn't have any problem seeing this message as 'We disagree Ted.
Lucky for us there's no 'Party Discipline' to enforce a 'Party Line' or
this counter-cult-movement wouldn't be big enough for the both of us'.
Maybe I read it wrong :)
(P.S. I tend to disagree with Ted about some tactics too. And with
Bob/LMT too. Critics here tend to be critical the way they find best)
Zinj
Tigger
Subject: TWO WONDERFUL PEOPLE
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2000-12-09 17:15:09 PST
I just saw Ed and Sally Lottick's pictures in the Pickets Photos.
It's been years since Dr. and Mrs. Lottick lost their son, Noah, to the
evil practices of Scientology. They have been dedicated to the fight
against scientoogy for at least ten years. I applaud their courage and
fortitude in seeking justice not only for their son but for all the
victims of scientology.
I met Dr. and Mrs. Lottick at the 1993 CAN confference in Minneapolis.
After the Okllahoma City bombing, COS came to Oklahoma desguised as a
"Crisis Manaagement Co." with no mention of scientology or Hubbard. A
free lunch and seminar were offered at the Univ. of Central Okla. in
Edmond, Okla. (a few miles from OKC).
Here are excerpts from a letter Dr. Lottick sent to Pres. George Nigh:
Quote: " May 4, 1995
"My commiseration and even rage for the premeditted mass murder and
mayhem in your area. I too know the pain of unexpected and unnecessary
death."
-----------------------------------------------------
"Our son Noah's death was unusual in being promiently featured in a TIME
magazne cover story: SCIENTOLOGY. THE CULT OF GREED, May 6, 1991. As I
think back over the fInal months of Noah's life, I have come to realize
that he made only one mistake. Tha was calling the 800 telehone numbef
in the back of a Dianetics book and attracting the attention of
scientology. The rest followed as night follows day. He had no
knowledge that he was getting involved with what I now realize was a
death machine. Nor did we, his parents, his family, his neighbors, his
teachers or his friends. And even when he was deeply troubled, we did
not know where to turn. And he disappeared from us.
"We finally found Noah 31 days after his death in the morgue in New York
City --- the very day his remains were to go to potter's field where we
never would have found him or even surely known that he was dead."
----------------------------------------------------
"It is clear that we need to be on guard against organizations that
present themselves as helpful but actually either exploit or destroy or
exploit and destroy persons they entice, recruit or capture."
-----------------------------------------------------
"I have been informed that Dianetic recriters have descended on your
community like vultures and have planned a presence on your campus in
two days.
"Please consider me a sadder-but-wiser friend with greatly expander
knowledge. I would be happy to provide you or your school with
information and answer any questions or help you find answers."
-----------------------------------------------------
"Please know I am deeply concerned with the outcome and would do
anything to help you. Oklahoma has suffered an extreme form of planned
and deliberate
tragedy and should be spared further insult" End of quote
Words can not express the deep respect I feel for these two wonderful
people.
Tigger
James Wood
It's still in print. It's listed in Amazon. Paperback and hardcover. I
have a couple of copies. I LOVE the book...
Tigger
Do you live on Mars? Where I live, the phrase Mr. Minton used was an
insult of the highest order. It doesn't just say I disagree with you.
It says: HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU @#&@#&#@#$@#!!!!!!
Do you honestly think a person who is promoted as a compassionate,
understanding, loving humanitarian and protector of human rights should
lose his temper, blow a gasket and insult people? Is that any way to
promote compassion, understanding, love and human rights?
My, what a strange world you live in.
Have you gone through the Looking Glass?
"El Roto"
Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.15ef0f245...@news2.lightlink.com...
I saw it as even more simple than that. Ted wrote "Anyone associated with
the LMT has the task of weighing every
typed word on this NG at all times. " Bob's "Fuck you Ted :-) " was a
joking reaction to that (and an excellent one, IMO).
Steve G.
Bob Minton
wrote:
>Dear Mr/Ms Zinj
>
>Do you live on Mars? Where I live, the phrase Mr. Minton used was an
>insult of the highest order. It doesn't just say I disagree with you.
>It says: HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU @#&@#&#@#$@#!!!!!!
>
>Do you honestly think a person who is promoted as a compassionate,
>understanding, loving humanitarian and protector of human rights should
>lose his temper, blow a gasket and insult people? Is that any way to
>promote compassion, understanding, love and human rights?
>
Hey Tigger, I have chosen these words carefully: Fuck you too! :-)
Bob Minton
JimDBB
>Date: 8/23/01 2:52 PM Central Daylight Time
Yeah...we have one but won't part with it. It is a classic and shouldnot be
hard to find, new or used. Try Ebay.
Jimdbb
Tigger
>>Dear Mr/Ms Zinj
>Bob Minton
Thank you, Mr. Minton:
You have just proved my point.
Russ K
Oh Yes She Did. Chew before you swallow and Google before you start
typing.
She did back peddle on it when nailed, but of course never
acknowledged that she was doing so. Maybe no one noticed...
Not.
From: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net)
Subject: Re: P. Greenway and D. Holmes to the white courtesy phone,
please
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
View: Complete Thread (68 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-08-21 18:05:37 PST
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0700, Ted Mayett
<ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote
the message that follows my reply:
I'll respond, Ted. Thanks to Bob Minton, Mark Bunker, and a very few
others,
the Lisa McPherson Trust has helped more people who have been harmed
by
Scientology than any other organization I know of. This includes not
only
non-Scientologists but also many, many Scientologists who have left or
are
trying to leave.
<snip>
Russ K
Yes she did. Chew before you swallow and Google before you Post.
'Course she did back peddle when nailed with it, but never managed to
really acknowledge it. It was an interesting exercise in deception
for her.
She prolly figgered no one'd notice.
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From: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net)
Subject: Re: P. Greenway and D. Holmes to the white courtesy phone,
please
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
View: Complete Thread (68 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-08-21 18:05:37 PST
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0700, Ted Mayett
<ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote
the message that follows my reply:
I'll respond, Ted. Thanks to Bob Minton, Mark Bunker, and a very few
others,
the Lisa McPherson Trust has helped more people who have been harmed
by
Scientology than any other organization I know of. This includes not
only
non-Scientologists but also many, many Scientologists who have left or
are
trying to leave.
<snipparoo> ('cuz I haven't finished reading it yet.)
Chris Leithiser
>
> Chris Leithiser <clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote in message news:<3B844121...@bc.cc.ca.us>...
> > Russ K wrote:
> >
> > > Stacy Young claims that the LMT has done more to help people than any
> > > organisation she knows of.
> >
> > No, she didn't.
>
> Oh Yes She Did. Chew before you swallow and Google before you start
> typing.
No, she didn't. See below.
> She did back peddle on it when nailed, but of course never
> acknowledged that she was doing so. Maybe no one noticed...
>
> Not.
>
>
> From: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net)
> Subject: Re: P. Greenway and D. Holmes to the white courtesy phone,
> please
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> View: Complete Thread (68 articles) | Original Format
> Date: 2001-08-21 18:05:37 PST
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0700, Ted Mayett
> <ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote
> the message that follows my reply:
>
> I'll respond, Ted. Thanks to Bob Minton, Mark Bunker, and a very few others,
> the Lisa McPherson Trust has helped more people who have been harmed by
> Scientology
"who have been harmed by Scientology." Not what you said.
Admiral Qwog
> >Hey Tigger, I have chosen these words
> > carefully: Fuck you too! :-)
>
> >Bob Minton
>
> Thank you, Mr. Minton:
>
> You have just proved my point.
>
> Tigger
And he proved it well.
Admiral Qwog
Tigger
>On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:22:35 -0500
> (CDT), boobook...@webtv.net
> (Tigger) wrote:
>>Dear Mr/Ms Zinj
>>Do you live on Mars? Where I live, the
>> phrase Mr. Minton used was an insult
>> of the highest order. It doesn't just
>> say I disagree with you. It says: HOW
>> DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME,
>> YOU @#&@#&#@#$@#!!!!!!
>>Do you honestly think a person who is
>> promoted as a compassionate,
>> understanding, loving humanitarian
>> and protector of human rights should
>> lose his temper, blow a gasket and
>> insult people? Is that any way to
>> promote compassion, understanding,
>> love and human rights?
>Hey Tigger, I have chosen these words
> carefully: Fuck you too! :-)
>Bob Minton
Thank you, Mr. Minton:
You have just proved my point.
Tigger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL. I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK IT'S
HELL."'
Harry S. Truman (GIVE 'EM HELL, HARRY)
U. S. President
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Tigger
Do you live on Mars? Where I live, the phrase Mr. Minton used was an
insult of the highest order. It doesn't just say I disagree with you.
It says: HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU @#&@#&#@#$@#!!!!!!
Do you honestly think a person who is promoted as a compassionate,
understanding, loving humanitarian and protector of human rights should
lose his temper, blow a gasket and insult people? Is that any way to
promote compassion, understanding, love and human rights?
My, what a strange world you live in.
Have you gone through the Looking Glass?
Tigger
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I DON'T GIVE THEM HELL. I JUST TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY THINK IT'S
HELL."'
Harry S. Truman (GIVE 'EM HELL, HARRY)
U. S. President
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JimDBB
>From: "Phineas Fogg" lao...@hotmail.com
>Date: 8/23/01 2:52 PM Central Daylight Time
>...a Confederacy of Dunces.
Yeah...we have one but won't part with it. It is a classic and shouldnot be
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Russ K
Yes she did. Chew before you swallow and Google before you Post.
'Course she did back peddle when nailed with it, but never managed to
really acknowledge it. It was an interesting exercise in deception
for her.
She prolly figgered no one'd notice.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net)
Subject: Re: P. Greenway and D. Holmes to the white courtesy phone,
please
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
View: Complete Thread (68 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-08-21 18:05:37 PST
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0700, Ted Mayett
<ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote
the message that follows my reply:
I'll respond, Ted. Thanks to Bob Minton, Mark Bunker, and a very few
others,
the Lisa McPherson Trust has helped more people who have been harmed
by
Scientology than any other organization I know of. This includes not
only
non-Scientologists but also many, many Scientologists who have left or
are
trying to leave.
<snipparoo> ('cuz I haven't finished reading it yet.)
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Russ K
>
> >On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:33:57 -0400, Teresa Summers
> ><tsum...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
> >
> >>For heaven's sake, Rod, I knew you were a member of the board. That doesn't
> >>mean that when you post something to ARS or anywhere else for that matter it
> >>is an indication of "how the LMT operates."
> >
> >No it pretty much is that when Rod or anyone from the LMT makes a
> >post, it is assumed to be an 'LMT' post. This is no gentle game being
> >played here, the stakes are high.. One would assume that a position
> >of any sort at the LMT carries a lot of responsibility. With the
> >responsibility comes a curbing of freedoms, particulary freedom of
> >speech. Anyone associated with the LMT has the task of weighing every
> >typed word on this NG at all times.
>
> Fuck you Ted :-)
OK. So are you really saying "fuck you" to Ted, or does the little
smiley make it a joke...like you're kidding, making a joke, making
light of it? This time you're not only going for diversion, but doing
it with mixed messages.
Cult leaders pull that crap all the time.
It's certainly worth discussion---the idea that with extra
responsibility comes a heightened degree of culpability. I certainly
don't believe that people are "a cut above the rest"---in fact, it
seems far from it, but a board of directors does usually speak for the
organisation they are representing.
I remember one of the first things I read when finding this
newsgroup--it was something about you, Bob Minton, saying that CAN had
been poorly managed.
I read a lot of requests for clarification on that, but no answer.
How come? Certainly if you have time to respond to this thread you
could bother to finally answer that.
yer pal,
Rusty
> >
> >Let us make the assumpiont that certain qualities are required to be
> >associated with the LMT. That only a breed of people a cut above the
> >rest can get the positions. And then us look at the words typed by
> >these LMT people, and let the assumptions be then proven.
> >
> >Failing that, why just allow any slop at all. There is no half ground
> >to this. You is - or you ain't - bottom line.
> >
> >
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>
> Chris Leithiser <clei...@bc.cc.ca.us> wrote in message news:<3B844121...@bc.cc.ca.us>...
> > Russ K wrote:
> >
> > > Stacy Young claims that the LMT has done more to help people than any
> > > organisation she knows of.
> >
> > No, she didn't.
>
> Oh Yes She Did. Chew before you swallow and Google before you start
> typing.
No, she didn't. See below.
> She did back peddle on it when nailed, but of course never
> acknowledged that she was doing so. Maybe no one noticed...
>
> Not.
>
>
> From: Stacy Brooks (stacy...@lisatrust.net)
> Subject: Re: P. Greenway and D. Holmes to the white courtesy phone,
> please
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> View: Complete Thread (68 articles) | Original Format
> Date: 2001-08-21 18:05:37 PST
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:45:19 -0700, Ted Mayett
> <ted-m...@skylink.net> wrote
> the message that follows my reply:
>
> I'll respond, Ted. Thanks to Bob Minton, Mark Bunker, and a very few others,
> the Lisa McPherson Trust has helped more people who have been harmed by
> Scientology
"who have been harmed by Scientology." Not what you said.
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"El Roto"
I saw it as even more simple than that. Ted wrote "Anyone associated with
the LMT has the task of weighing every
typed word on this NG at all times. " Bob's "Fuck you Ted :-) " was a
joking reaction to that (and an excellent one, IMO).
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Admiral Qwog
> >Hey Tigger, I have chosen these words
> > carefully: Fuck you too! :-)
>
> >Bob Minton
>
> Thank you, Mr. Minton:
>
> You have just proved my point.
>
> Tigger
And he proved it well.
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:17:20 GMT
Bob Minton
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>Dear Mr/Ms Zinj
>
>Do you live on Mars? Where I live, the phrase Mr. Minton used was an
>insult of the highest order. It doesn't just say I disagree with you.
>It says: HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU @#&@#&#@#$@#!!!!!!
>
>Do you honestly think a person who is promoted as a compassionate,
>understanding, loving humanitarian and protector of human rights should
>lose his temper, blow a gasket and insult people? Is that any way to
>promote compassion, understanding, love and human rights?
>
Hey Tigger, I have chosen these words carefully: Fuck you too! :-)
Bob Minton
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