Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!
Kng Peter
Greenway, and this newsgroup is occasionally archived and made available to
search engines, please allow me to set the record straight on this subject.
I have known Patricia Greenway for close to five years now.
The first thing she did upon coming to the Totally Fun Company in late October,
1996 is to give my business a shot in the arm. At that time, we were a WISE
(Scientology) business and some clients and key personnel had been driven away
because they did not want to be associated with the cult of Scientology.
Patricia, with her excellent marketing skills, turned things around and "got
our stats up" right away.
Patricia, who at first had no opinion about Scientology, began to notice some
very strange things regarding the cult. One day, a member of the local OT
Committee burst into our busy Totally Fun Office, and despite being told by the
receptionist that he needed to have an appointment to see me, brushed past
Patricia with a glazed look in his eyes and stormed into my office, demanding
that I attend the OT Committee meeting. This guy, whose name I don't know to
this day, looked and acted like a completely hypnotized robot, and I had to
admit: he was scary in his insanity.
Next, the Church required that I settle my divorce with my ex-wife through a
Scientology WISE arbitration, which was a disaster in every way. Patricia
began to wonder: what was this Scientology that could turn people into robots
and ruin businesses?
She started doing research on the internet. She found this newsgroup, and
other websites which showed the true nature of the evil of this cult.
Although I had been a public member of Scientology for twenty years, I knew
nothing of the crimes of the cult. When Patricia first brought me evidence, I
became angry with her. Finally, she showed me government documents about L.
Ron Hubbard: these proved he had not been a World War II Naval hero who had
cured himself of war injuries with Dianetics as stated by the Church. In
reality, the person I referred to as "my hero" was an incompetent blowhard who,
after screwing up in every position the Navy had placed him, had tried to con
the Veteran's Administration out of an undeserved pension. I knew that good
things do not come from evil people, so I began to look at Scientology more
closely.
Even though, at this point, I knew L. Ron Hubbard was a con man, I still
thought Scientology worked. I recalled how I had enjoyed the euphoric "high" I
got from "auditing" myself on the OT7 level. One day, Patricia discovered on
the internet that L. Ron Hubbard believed in "body thetans." Body thetans are
little beings who are supposed to be stuck to you-and the Scientology "tech"
teaches that by "blowing off" these "body thetans" you can attain spiritual
freedom. This thought seemed so ridiculous to Patricia that she took her hand
and stuck it in a napkin and moved the napkin around like a hand puppet,
saying, "Look, I'm a body thetan. Look, I'm stuck on you!"
I laugh at that memory now, but at the time I became very, very angry. I had
been taught never to "joke or degrade" about the tech. When I calmed down, I
had to admit that I, myself, had never believed this "body thetan" story, and
didn't really understand what I was doing to myself on OT7. I decided to stop
"auditing," and almost instantly felt a cloud lifting from my mind.
I have to say in retrospect that no one, and I mean no one, would have risked
offending me and presenting the truth about Scientology to me, other than
Patricia Greenway. She has the ability to get right in someone's face and tell
them the truth, regardless of the consequences, regardless of how upset they
get, regardless of what they say to her, regardless of the personal harm it may
do her.
Some time ago, Patricia learned that if she connects up with the truth, and
follows it in an unswerving manner, regardless of personal danger, her life
will go right no matter what.
So that's what she does.
This connection with the truth, strangely enough, gives Patricia some of the
"OT" powers: the same powers Scientologists think they can obtain by paying the
cult.
One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
Greenway.
So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is merely
an observation of an invariable fact.
I do not air personal grievances, nor do I feel it is appropriate to discuss
business matters over the internet, but I thought some of you-the good souls
who are on the right track for themselves-would enjoy reading the truth about
Patricia Greenway.
Now, for those gutless, anonymous OSA posters who say I am duped on this
subject, let me make one thing clear: since I have left Scientology, I haven't
been duped on anything. I see things clearly now, and for those of you who
know me, you know I cut no one any slack, including Patricia. I call it as I
see it, and I see things exactly as they are.
Now, if you want to see things exactly as they really are, see our new film,
"The Profit." You can get a glimpse of what this is all about by going to our
website www.theprofit.org.
Sincerely,
Peter N. Alexander
GunBunny
>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
I'm choking on my coffee, for God's sake will you crazy critics quit this
stupid DA war.
PG has powers, POWERS, *POWERS*!
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From: kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter).
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Wrote on the subject: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
Geezus Christ Peter Alexander, if this really was written by you.
Praising a person like you did her, like you previously did with L Ron
Hubbard, surely makes at least me wonder if you're holding all cards in
your deck.
For the sake of Xenu and all that's unholy, please read this excerpt of
your statement again, and compare it to some of Hubbard's more insane
ideas about SP's and criminals:
You actually wrote this Peter?:
Begin quotes:
"By definition, if you have evil intentions, or you are going off the
deep end mentally, you do not like Patricia Greenway. She can see you
for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you are, with unfailing, and I mean
unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you are a good soul who is
on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
Greenway."
And:
"So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone
attacks Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or
they have bad intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who
is in one or the other condition. This is not, in my observation, a
subject for debate: it is merely an observation of an invariable fact."
End of quotes.
SAZ
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boris_karloff
LOTS of SNIPS
>This connection with the truth, strangely enough, gives Patricia some of the
>"OT" powers: the same powers Scientologists think they can obtain by paying the
>cult.
>
>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
>
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is merely
>an observation of an invariable fact.
>
God, this stuff sounds like it took you 20 years in the cult to come up with
such creepy ideas.
>Sincerely,
>
>Peter N. Alexander
LOTS of SNIPS
Boris Karloff
mr_rogerz
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is merely
>an observation of an invariable fact.
Well, I don't think Minton has bad intentions. If the honeypots
Brooks and Bennett cared at all for scientology recovery rather than
the money of Robert Schenk Minton why did they only start doing this
social work *after* Minton paid them for it?
Once Minton is gone from the scene I think Brooks and Bennett will
drop this philanthropic project as fast as Brook drove the dozens of
cats to be euthanthized after Minton invited her east as a mistress.
She supposedly had "devoted her life" to the cats. She says that she
is now committed to recovering scientologists. I am sure she is
devoted to Bob Minton. I am sure Bennett and Summers are too.
At least as much as to the cats.
But look at the situation now. Minton is facing enormous fines and
fees from his various contempts. Maybe $1,000 a day doesn't sound
like a big fine to a multimillionaire but wait for the attorney's
fees to roll in. He will be directly paying the opposing cult
attorney's fees. How long can this last?
He sees the wall ahead of him.
I expect him to withdraw not slowly from this battle but all at once
like he hit Cicere, Haney, Berry, and now Greenway.
Within weeks I reckon. Maybe days.
Strangely enough, his running away will be a blessing to the other
critics who are fire by compassion-not ego. His money could have been
used for so much good. What a waste.
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From: Mr Rogerz.
Organization: .
Wrote on the subject: Re: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
And the newscene insane idiot, comes up with yet another fake ID. You
are truly insane you idiot.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
breathing more when you drink, maybe you'll scald your throat enough to find
yourself the subject of $cieno vitamin quackery the likes of which may
actually wake you up from your shared delusion. But I'm not holding my
breath.
Bang! Killfile away!
"GunBunny" <gun_b...@hotmail.com_invalid> wrote in message
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Bob Minton
Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
Peter, these two paragraphs are straight out of Scientology.
On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
>
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is merely
>an observation of an invariable fact.
>
Bob Minton
PS I forgive you for saying I have "evil intentions" or I'm "going off the deep
end mentally" because I don't like Patricia.
Bob Minton
Another really scary thing about the two paragraphs that I quoted from Peter is
that Patricia 100 percent believes in what Peter has said. I know this because
she has stated the same thing verbatim many times to me as well as Stacy. They
have both used the term "infallible" when referring to Patricia's "powers".
Make that two tickets for remedial exit counselling at the LMT.
Bob Minton
Anonymous
<bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:33:41 -0400, Bob Minton <bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>
>Another really scary thing about the two paragraphs that I quoted from Peter is
>that Patricia 100 percent believes in what Peter has said. I know this because
>she has stated the same thing verbatim many times to me as well as Stacy. They
>have both used the term "infallible" when referring to Patricia's "powers".
>
>Make that two tickets for remedial exit counselling at the LMT.
>
Why not set an example and stop your drinking binges?
Bob Minton
PPS I now know that I did not finish reading the first sentence of the second
paragraph after the first use of the word "or." Peter also includes the
possibility that my dislike for Patricia's behavior may also be because I am
merely PTS to an SP (presumably Stacy). Ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes it
much more "CLEAR."
Bob Minton
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From: Bob Minton <b...@minton.org>.
Organization: Lightlink Internet.
Wrote on the subject: Re: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
>On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:33:41 -0400, Bob Minton <bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
Well, when people are claimed to be infallible, and the person in
question doesn't stand up and refuse to wear such label, then this
fallible person at least withdraws his support for that person.
One might interpret that as one wish....:-)
Sten-Arne
Anonymous
<bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>Peter, you said Patricia helped get you out of the cult.
>
>Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
>the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
>
And Jesse can help you score some drugs too as part of the exit
counselling.
Bob Minton
I just called Peter (1:18 pm edst) and he explained that the concepts contained
in the two paragraphs were borrowed by L. Ron from Buddism. Peter is using the
Buddist line in his thought process. He further stated that these are his
observations about Patricia and he believes them to be true.
Bob Minton
Lianna Skywalker
<bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
<snip>
>>Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
>>the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
>>
>>Peter, these two paragraphs are straight out of Scientology.
Is it just me, or was that the POINT?
I think it's hilarious that you're actually taking this seriously. You
sound like the cult shills freaking out over ADOPI.
Lianna Skywalker
SP4
"When you show the odd flash of contextual intelligence, I forget your generation can't read." -- Dr. Hannibal Lecter
Phil Scott
Well, thanks for 'the other half of the story'... there are always at least two
sides. And in the case of people on both sides of the story, both very
effective in bringing the cult down, the truth may be found with both stories
left in tact, but mixed in the middle... to form pie alamode or some such.
Phil Scott
Anonymous
>>
>I just called Peter (1:18 pm edst) and he explained that the concepts contained
>in the two paragraphs were borrowed by L. Ron from Buddism. Peter is using the
>Buddist line in his thought process. He further stated that these are his
>observations about Patricia and he believes them to be true.
>
>Bob Minton
You are obsessing, Minton. Take your meds and get some help.
Remember why you have to swear off Internet Relay Chat?
Mark Bunker
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Anonymous shill.
Jack Craver
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<snip>
> And the newscene insane idiot, comes up with yet another fake ID. You
> are truly insane you idiot.
>
> SAZ
>
>
hey AC.
This newscene guy's a pain and ineffective to boot.
One of the reasons I don't post much anymore is because there's way too much
intrigue on this NG, but I still read it.
BTW - who do you think this is?
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best of luck sten
jack
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
You are absolutely correct about waste, except for your target. It was a waste
of my time to read this dribble. If you had any compassion, you would have had
better taste, and manner, then to have written this post.
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime; it is simply a reasonable reaction to tyranny!
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
>
>Peter, you said Patricia helped get you out of the cult.
>
>Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
>the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
>
>Peter, these two paragraphs are straight out of Scientology.
>
>
person's inability to find a way to respect other people. When there is no
respect, deplorable manners and bad behavior are certain to follow. It rather
tragic, and truly a waste of time, of which none of us has enough.
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime, simply a reasonable response to tyranny!
Gregg
snip
>PPS I now know that I did not finish reading the first sentence of the second
>paragraph after the first use of the word "or." Peter also includes the
>possibility that my dislike for Patricia's behavior may also be because I am
>merely PTS to an SP (presumably Stacy). Ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes it
>much more "CLEAR."
ROTFLMAO! Keith Henson
Casual...@erols.com
>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
You're just pussy whipped.
mr_rogerz
eliza...@chesapeake.net wrote:
>In article <a8g1jtgcgl1am3r1s...@4ax.com>, Mr says...
>>
>>On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>Strangely enough, his running away will be a blessing to the other
>>critics who are fire by compassion-not ego. His money could have been
>>used for so much good. What a waste.
>>
>
>You are absolutely correct about waste, except for your target. It was a waste
>of my time to read this dribble. If you had any compassion, you would have had
>better taste, and manner, then to have written this post.
"Sunshine disinfects", to quote Minton quoting "Warrior"
Or maybe you are one who thinks it better *not* to air all the dirty
laundry in a public forum?
If so I expect you to criticize Minton for it.
Starshadow
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"Bob Minton" <bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:33:41 -0400, Bob Minton
> <bobm...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
>
> Another really scary thing about the two paragraphs that I quoted
> from Peter is that Patricia 100 percent believes in what Peter has
> said. I know this because she has stated the same thing verbatim
> many times to me as well as Stacy. They have both used the term
> "infallible" when referring to Patricia's "powers".
>
> Make that two tickets for remedial exit counselling at the LMT.
Cripes, I'm a pretty good psychic, but I don't claim infallibility.
Patricia might consider hiring on at the Psychic Friends' Network.
(which is prolly based near her anyway). If she's really infallible,
she should make a mint.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4 with clam cluster, Official Wiccan Chaplain
ARSCC(wdne)
"Hubbard is a dead fat fraud who started a "religion" to make money,
and Miscavige is a wheezing dwarf who
makes insane outbursts about public buggery in court. There are no
OTs , and Xenu rules." That should be good for -25 stats points,
right OSA?
(find out what this means at www.clambake.org )
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Get lost, newscene troll.
- --
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow, KoX, SP4 with clam cluster, Official Wiccan Chaplain
ARSCC(wdne)
"Hubbard is a dead fat fraud who started a "religion" to make money,
and Miscavige is a wheezing dwarf who
makes insane outbursts about public buggery in court. There are no
OTs , and Xenu rules." That should be good for -25 stats points,
right OSA?
(find out what this means at www.clambake.org )
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Phil Scott
When I first met Stacy in 1975 at AOLA I knew then that she was going to be a
bit ...er difficult to 'clear'. :)
Phil Scott
>
>
>Bob Minton
Phil Scott
wrote:
>In article <g2g1jt8mukk30nivn...@4ax.com>, Bob says...
>>
>>Peter, you said Patricia helped get you out of the cult.
>>
>>Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
>>the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
>>
>>Peter, these two paragraphs are straight out of Scientology.
>>
>>
>A well reasoned response to a rather depressing situation brought about by one
>person's inability to find a way to respect other people. When there is no
>respect, deplorable manners and bad behavior are certain to follow. It rather
>tragic, and truly a waste of time, of which none of us has enough.
that is a key point, one must respect the accomplishments of another, regardless
the imprefections .... or with that lack of respect there is no beneficial
relationship.
Phil Scott
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
And you live in a glass house? Do I dare throw a stone?
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime, simply a reasonable reaction to tyranny!
>
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
Of course you are perfect, lacking any questionable habits. I guess you must
think you're an OT. Guess what? The cult would not know how to create an OT.
Just continue in your own delusional paradise.
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
And you are why anonymous assholes are unwelcome on selected channels. Life is
simply too short and precious to surround oneself with assholes.
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable response to tyranny!
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
You apparently failed to read my earlier posts, on this subject and many others.
I am not known for stately quiet and reticence. I am in total agreement with
Bob's original post. I have, and a number of others, have endured the Patricia
Diatribes for months. I have watched her try to ruin the lives of others.
Exposure is long past due. And yes, Warrior is so very correct, sunshine does
disinfect.
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable reaction to tyranny!
Zinj
says...
>"OT" powers: the same powers Scientologists think they can obtain by paying
the
>cult.
>
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you
have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if
you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
>
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the
other
>condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is
merely
>an observation of an invariable fact.
I consider Pat a friend, and have always enjoyed and respected her, but this
one last paragraph in what is otherwise a cogent and isightful post, is a
problem. I think you're wrong Peter, and I think that Pat would be one of the
first to tell you that.
About the only thing I have to criticize about Pat is something we're all
guilty of at times, and that is letting our personal animosities blind us.
Here's hoping that we can, in a week or a month, but hopefully in an hour, look
at this tempest in a teapot and laugh at ourselves.
It's what makes us different than the Cult of Invariably Certain Silliness.
Our silliness is like a quick belly laugh.
This too shall pass
Zinj
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From: "Jack Craver" <j.cr...@prsint.com>.
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com.
Wrote on the subject: Re: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
>"©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/"
Well Jack, since the newscene troll is also posting from newsguy....
sigh...
Sten-Arne
Bodo Staron
>
> One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
> intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
> evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
> Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
> are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
> are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
> Greenway.
>
Peter,
I learned that it takes the same time to heal from Scientology as the
time you were in. Healing means: Get Hubbard out of your head.
bye,
Bodo
--
========================================================
Home: http://www.staron.org/ | Now nuked!
Headless Scientologist: http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm
Anonymous
eliza...@chesapeake.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>I just called Peter (1:18 pm edst) and he explained that the concepts contained
>>>in the two paragraphs were borrowed by L. Ron from Buddism. Peter is using the
>>>Buddist line in his thought process. He further stated that these are his
>>>observations about Patricia and he believes them to be true.
>>>
>>>Bob Minton
>>
>>You are obsessing, Minton. Take your meds and get some help.
>>
>>Remember why you have to swear off Internet Relay Chat?
>>
>
>And you are why anonymous assholes are unwelcome on selected channels. Life is
>simply too short and precious to surround oneself with assholes.
>
>Elizabeth Ann Cox
>aka, Bunnyann
>
>Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable response to tyranny!
Without any assholes around you quickly become full of shit.
Phil Scott
>In article <20010620090110...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
>kngp...@aol.com says...
>
>>
>> One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>> intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>> evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>> Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>> are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>> are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>> Greenway.
>>
>
>
>Peter,
>I learned that it takes the same time to heal from Scientology as the
>time you were in. Healing means: Get Hubbard out of your head.
thats close. for some its faster, Tory did very well in that regard. Most
take 10 or 15 years if they are critics to get close to totally unbrainwashed..
If the person is a freezoner, in some cases the brainwash seems terminal.
Phil Scott
Anonymous
eliza...@chesapeake.net wrote:
I am not perfect but I don't set myself up as an "exit counsellor".
Isn't trust what counseling is all about? Isn't the name of
the organization the Lisa McPherson *Trust*? Would you trust
someone who swore that he wouldn't use illegal drugs only
to have him lie to you *and* cost you $60k in extra legal fees?
Could that money been better used to help really deserving
people out of the cult of scientology?
Zinj
No shortage of them around here Anonymous, might I suggest Dingleberry as a
more memorable nick?
Zinj
mr_rogerz
eliza...@chesapeake.net wrote:
\
>>
>
>You apparently failed to read my earlier posts, on this subject and many others.
>I am not known for stately quiet and reticence. I am in total agreement with
>Bob's original post. I have, and a number of others, have endured the Patricia
>Diatribes for months. I have watched her try to ruin the lives of others.
>Exposure is long past due. And yes, Warrior is so very correct, sunshine does
>disinfect.
>
>Elizabeth Ann Cox
>aka, Bunnyann
>
>Doubt is not a crime; simply a reasonable reaction to tyranny!
Fine, so please my opinion that Greenway is right and the Sea Org
people at the Lisa McPherson Trust bear very close watching.
I trust them to to as they were trained for years in scientology,
to skillfully lie for their own personal benefit.
I.S.Rennie
*yawn* you're just a fucking troll
Bid
wrote:
>In article <20010620090110...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
>kngp...@aol.com says...
>
>>
>> One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>> intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>> evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>> Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>> are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>> are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>> Greenway.
>>
>
>
>Peter,
>I learned that it takes the same time to heal from Scientology as the
>time you were in. Healing means: Get Hubbard out of your head.
>
>bye,
>Bodo
You are waaay to serious ... :-)
Bid
beerslayer
news:vg02jt4mq30ppch3v...@4ax.com...
> Without any assholes around you quickly become full of shit.
Well, we certainly won't have to worry about this with you around,
"Anonymous"...
-- The Beerslayer
-- SP2
Zinj
>
>
>
>
Mr. Rogerz is the newscene troll, but on the bright side, he gave you an
opportunity to say something worth more than his 'shit stirring' will be in a
century.
And I agree, Stacy is one of the nicest people I've ever met, although I've
never confused her with an infallible icon.
Thanks for the post.
Zinj
>
>
>Dear Mr. Rogerz,
>
>Your post appears to be the work of a Scientologist: your logic sucks,
>and your OSA supplied "facts" are, of course, wrong, so I'm responding
>to you accordingly.
>
>Many people are devoted to Robert Schenk and Honeypot Brooks because
>they're just the coolest friends anyone could have. All they ever ask
>for in exchange for the enormous personal sacrifices they daily make
>on behalf of others is, get this: NOTHING.
>
>They deserve to be respected and treated well by those they've
>selflessly helped. That some people they've helped have had the
>audacity to attack them or attempt to harm or disparage them in any
>way is unbelievable, perplexing, outrageous, crazy and just down-right
>in extremely bad taste. These two people spend their days caring
>about, worrying over, and helping in any way they possibly can, any
>human being in need of help - believe it or not, that help extends
>past the realm of Scientology-related battle. It is exhausting,
>thankless work. The lack of thanks they receive for their efforts has
>been, at times, infuriating to me.
>
>Beyond all the money he's put into this crusade, Bob Minton has made
>personal sacrifices of a kind that I've never known any other person
>to make - except, of course, his partner Ms. Brooks, which might
>better explain why they're together than your twisted theory. No
>amount of money in the world could compensate either of them enough
>for the innate sense of justice and goodness driving their tireless
>work. Are people devoted to them? Of course they are. And it has
>nothing to do with money. That other selfless people, such as Mark
>Bunker, Jesse Prince, John Merrett and Teresa Summers, just to name a
>few, work with and are devoted to them is natural. The strong moral
>fiber and strong sense of righteousness each possesses propels them to
>seek like company. There is no question that if the LMT closed its
>doors tomorrow, our group would still be devoted to Bob and Stacy and
>would do everything possible to help them in any way. That some
>selfish people - people who are completely unaware of the kind of
>personal sacrifice needed to provide real help - don't fit in well
>with this tight-knit group isn't at all surprising. It's just natural
>that those types should be weeded out so they can move on to other
>pursuits that they're better equipped for.
>
>To answer your question about why I personally started this work
>*after* the LMT/Bob offered me an opportunity to do so: In the first
>place, the LMT scooped me up after I had stupidly given $cientology
>every opportunity it needed to completely destroy my life. When you
>guys were done with me, I just didn't have any strength left to defend
>myself against you, let alone defend others who had experienced a
>similar plight. In the second place, you're completely clueless about
>me. In the third place, history has shown that fighting $cientology
>alone or without resources isn't a good idea. The LMT presently offers
>some of us to do this work on a regular basis but, paid or not, we'll
>continue the work until either the job is done or it is simply no
>longer possible to do it.
>
>BTW, Stacy Brooks, who is even more beautiful on the inside than the
>outside, never euthanized her cats. She patiently found loving homes
>for each and every one of them. I know it's hard for dorks like you to
>imagine that people can be as good as these two are. Having grown up
>inside the insincere, cold, faux-caring world of $cientology, I didn't
>know people like these could actually exist either but, if you ever do
>wake up and "have the cog", the way they spend their time and money
>might actually make sense to you.
>
>You're absolutely right that Minton has good intentions and should you
>ever decide to explore truth outside of the walls of your
>organization, please feel free to avail yourself to the help Bob,
>Stacy and the rest of the LMT will naturally provide to you. We'll
>never ask for anything in exchange but you just might find you have an
>overwhelming desire to help us anyway.
>
>Regards,
>
>Heather Bennett
>
>
>On 20 Jun 2001 10:55:08 -0500, Mr Rogerz wrote:
>
>>On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>>>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>>>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the
other
>>>condition. This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is
merely
>>>an observation of an invariable fact.
>>
>>Well, I don't think Minton has bad intentions. If the honeypots
>>Brooks and Bennett cared at all for scientology recovery rather than
>>the money of Robert Schenk Minton why did they only start doing this
>>social work *after* Minton paid them for it?
>>
>>Once Minton is gone from the scene I think Brooks and Bennett will
>>drop this philanthropic project as fast as Brook drove the dozens of
>>cats to be euthanthized after Minton invited her east as a mistress.
>>
>>She supposedly had "devoted her life" to the cats. She says that she
>>is now committed to recovering scientologists. I am sure she is
>>devoted to Bob Minton. I am sure Bennett and Summers are too.
>>At least as much as to the cats.
>>
>>But look at the situation now. Minton is facing enormous fines and
>>fees from his various contempts. Maybe $1,000 a day doesn't sound
>>like a big fine to a multimillionaire but wait for the attorney's
>>fees to roll in. He will be directly paying the opposing cult
>>attorney's fees. How long can this last?
>>He sees the wall ahead of him.
>>
>>I expect him to withdraw not slowly from this battle but all at once
>>like he hit Cicere, Haney, Berry, and now Greenway.
>>
>>Within weeks I reckon. Maybe days.
arnie lerma
>As there have been several strange and incorrect posts regarding Patricia
>Greenway, and this newsgroup is occasionally archived and made available to
>search engines, please allow me to set the record straight on this subject.
>
>I have known Patricia Greenway for close to five years now.
>
>
Peter,
ask patricia what she thinks of the ex-member-ops on
#scientologylies
seems we wouldnt toe her line so ex members were accused of being
nazi's - in back channel chats....
when confronted she takes refuge in vagaries of memory, denial and
outright fabrications.
I'd prefer not to deal with folks of that ilk
arnie
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/grifters.htm - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
You want Bigots? http://members.home.net/bwarr1/Movie2.html
mr_rogerz
>In article <7i12jtghu4eu48thu...@4ax.com>, <Unknown> says...
>>Dear Mr. Rogerz,
>>
>>Your post appears to be the work of a Scientologist: your logic sucks,
>>and your OSA supplied "facts" are, of course, wrong, so I'm responding
>>to you accordingly.
Start with the universal dead-agent name-calling "Scientologist" and
"OSA supplied facts". Similar to Minton call Greenway a OSA pawn.
The truth is, I have never been in scientology while you have been in
Sea Org. You have taken TR-L and I have not.
>>
>>Many people are devoted to Robert Schenk and Honeypot Brooks because
>>they're just the coolest friends anyone could have. All they ever ask
>>for in exchange for the enormous personal sacrifices they daily make
>>on behalf of others is, get this: NOTHING.
I disagree. Brooks motive is pretty simple, Mintons is more
complicated. He is generous. He has compassion. He also is
domineering, threatening, obscene, violent and controlling.
>>
>>They deserve to be respected and treated well by those they've
>>selflessly helped. That some people they've helped have had the
People should treat people with respect no matter whether they are
helping or have been helped. Minton treated Greenway with utter
disrespect similar to those in the past such as his own separated
wife Terese Minton, Brian Haney, Graham Berry, David Cecere
and now Patricia Greenway.
>>audacity to attack them or attempt to harm or disparage them in any
>>way is unbelievable, perplexing, outrageous, crazy and just down-right
>>in extremely bad taste. These two people spend their days caring
That is bullshit. If Mother Teresa was a child molestor she should be
called on it even if she were the most generous person in the world.
In Mintons case he is a control freak and should be called on it
even if he were the most generous person in the world.
>>about, worrying over, and helping in any way they possibly can, any
>>human being in need of help - believe it or not, that help extends
>>past the realm of Scientology-related battle. It is exhausting,
>>thankless work. The lack of thanks they receive for their efforts has
>>been, at times, infuriating to me.
Well if Greenway was a "OSA pawn" then why doesn't his quiet
modest helpfulness extend to her rather than publically blasting her
on a public channel? Is this the way he helps people escape
OSA clutches?
>>
>>Beyond all the money he's put into this crusade, Bob Minton has made
>>personal sacrifices of a kind that I've never known any other person
>>to make - except, of course, his partner Ms. Brooks, which might
>>better explain why they're together than your twisted theory. No
>>amount of money in the world could compensate either of them enough
>>for the innate sense of justice and goodness driving their tireless
>>work. Are people devoted to them? Of course they are. And it has
Fine and when these portable gods do wrong they should be called on
it just like us ordinary people. Minton was wrong to publically attack
Patricia Greenway as he has been wrong on many other issues.
Is he immune to criticism because he has given away his money
and his time to unfortunates?
>>nothing to do with money. That other selfless people, such as Mark
>>Bunker, Jesse Prince, John Merrett and Teresa Summers, just to name a
>>few, work with and are devoted to them is natural. The strong moral
They are also, as you are, *paid* by him. This biases your praise.
>>fiber and strong sense of righteousness each possesses propels them to
>>seek like company. There is no question that if the LMT closed its
>>doors tomorrow, our group would still be devoted to Bob and Stacy and
>>would do everything possible to help them in any way. That some
Isn't this the unthinking "devotion" criticized by Minton toward Peter
Alexander expressing his devotion to Patricia Greenway? Aren't
you being hypocritical saying that your devotion is justified while
others devotion is "straight out of Hubbard"?
>>selfish people - people who are completely unaware of the kind of
>>personal sacrifice needed to provide real help - don't fit in well
>>with this tight-knit group isn't at all surprising. It's just natural
>>that those types should be weeded out so they can move on to other
>>pursuits that they're better equipped for.
"Weeded out". Thats good, Bennett.
>>
>>To answer your question about why I personally started this work
>>*after* the LMT/Bob offered me an opportunity to do so: In the first
In other words: money.
>>place, the LMT scooped me up after I had stupidly given $cientology
>>every opportunity it needed to completely destroy my life. When you
>>guys were done with me, I just didn't have any strength left to defend
More personal attacks. *You* were-are the scientologist, not me.
>>myself against you, let alone defend others who had experienced a
>>similar plight. In the second place, you're completely clueless about
>>me. In the third place, history has shown that fighting $cientology
>>alone or without resources isn't a good idea. The LMT presently offers
>>some of us to do this work on a regular basis but, paid or not, we'll
>>continue the work until either the job is done or it is simply no
>>longer possible to do it.
Well see.
>>
>>BTW, Stacy Brooks, who is even more beautiful on the inside than the
>>outside, never euthanized her cats. She patiently found loving homes
>>for each and every one of them. I know it's hard for dorks like you to
>>imagine that people can be as good as these two are. Having grown up
>>inside the insincere, cold, faux-caring world of $cientology, I didn't
Did Brooks tell you this?
Zinj
>
>On 20 Jun 2001 16:56:13 -0400, zinj...@i.am (Zinj) wrote:
>
>>In article <7i12jtghu4eu48thu...@4ax.com>, <Unknown> says...
>
>>>Dear Mr. Rogerz,
>>>
Why would you post this whole stinkum and cut my own comments out while leaving
my name?
Zinj
Oh yah... you're a piece of shit
Phil Scott
>Would you trust
>someone who swore that he wouldn't use illegal drugs only
>to have him lie to you *and* cost you $60k in extra legal fees?
Oh bullshit. Jesse never swore to being a puritan or any such thing,
and the 60k in legal fees was a voluntary assist to a friend from Bob.
but yer spin in noted.
Phil Scott
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
Oh my, is that what happened to you? Your asshole became impacted from being
screwed by the cult too much? Oh no! Would an enema help?
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
>
>On 20 Jun 2001 16:56:13 -0400, zinj...@i.am (Zinj) wrote:
>
>>In article <7i12jtghu4eu48thu...@4ax.com>, <Unknown> says...
>
>>>Dear Mr. Rogerz,
>>>
>>>Your post appears to be the work of a Scientologist: your logic sucks,
>>>and your OSA supplied "facts" are, of course, wrong, so I'm responding
>>>to you accordingly.
>>>>
>>>outside, never euthanized her cats. She patiently found loving homes
>>>for each and every one of them. I know it's hard for dorks like you to
>>>imagine that people can be as good as these two are. Having grown up
>>>inside the insincere, cold, faux-caring world of $cientology, I didn't
>
>Did Brooks tell you this?
>
>
Yawn! Unable to interpret facts?
Elizabeth Ann Cox
aka, Bunnyann
Doubt is not a crime, simply a reasonble response to tyranny!
Unknown
Dear Mr. Rogerz,
Your post appears to be the work of a Scientologist: your logic sucks,
and your OSA supplied "facts" are, of course, wrong, so I'm responding
to you accordingly.
Many people are devoted to Robert Schenk and Honeypot Brooks because
they're just the coolest friends anyone could have. All they ever ask
for in exchange for the enormous personal sacrifices they daily make
on behalf of others is, get this: NOTHING.
They deserve to be respected and treated well by those they've
selflessly helped. That some people they've helped have had the
audacity to attack them or attempt to harm or disparage them in any
way is unbelievable, perplexing, outrageous, crazy and just down-right
in extremely bad taste. These two people spend their days caring
about, worrying over, and helping in any way they possibly can, any
human being in need of help - believe it or not, that help extends
past the realm of Scientology-related battle. It is exhausting,
thankless work. The lack of thanks they receive for their efforts has
been, at times, infuriating to me.
Beyond all the money he's put into this crusade, Bob Minton has made
personal sacrifices of a kind that I've never known any other person
to make - except, of course, his partner Ms. Brooks, which might
better explain why they're together than your twisted theory. No
amount of money in the world could compensate either of them enough
for the innate sense of justice and goodness driving their tireless
work. Are people devoted to them? Of course they are. And it has
nothing to do with money. That other selfless people, such as Mark
Bunker, Jesse Prince, John Merrett and Teresa Summers, just to name a
few, work with and are devoted to them is natural. The strong moral
fiber and strong sense of righteousness each possesses propels them to
seek like company. There is no question that if the LMT closed its
doors tomorrow, our group would still be devoted to Bob and Stacy and
would do everything possible to help them in any way. That some
selfish people - people who are completely unaware of the kind of
personal sacrifice needed to provide real help - don't fit in well
with this tight-knit group isn't at all surprising. It's just natural
that those types should be weeded out so they can move on to other
pursuits that they're better equipped for.
To answer your question about why I personally started this work
*after* the LMT/Bob offered me an opportunity to do so: In the first
place, the LMT scooped me up after I had stupidly given $cientology
every opportunity it needed to completely destroy my life. When you
guys were done with me, I just didn't have any strength left to defend
myself against you, let alone defend others who had experienced a
similar plight. In the second place, you're completely clueless about
me. In the third place, history has shown that fighting $cientology
alone or without resources isn't a good idea. The LMT presently offers
some of us to do this work on a regular basis but, paid or not, we'll
continue the work until either the job is done or it is simply no
longer possible to do it.
BTW, Stacy Brooks, who is even more beautiful on the inside than the
outside, never euthanized her cats. She patiently found loving homes
for each and every one of them. I know it's hard for dorks like you to
imagine that people can be as good as these two are. Having grown up
inside the insincere, cold, faux-caring world of $cientology, I didn't
know people like these could actually exist either but, if you ever do
wake up and "have the cog", the way they spend their time and money
might actually make sense to you.
You're absolutely right that Minton has good intentions and should you
ever decide to explore truth outside of the walls of your
organization, please feel free to avail yourself to the help Bob,
Stacy and the rest of the LMT will naturally provide to you. We'll
never ask for anything in exchange but you just might find you have an
overwhelming desire to help us anyway.
Regards,
Heather Bennett
On 20 Jun 2001 10:55:08 -0500, Mr Rogerz wrote:
>On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>
>
Elizabeth Ann Cox --
Tell me, do you see these as thier skills because they are actually your skills?
It sounds very much as if you are describing yourself.
Magoo
Heather Bennet. Period.
And that is YOUR loss...not theirs.
Tory/Magoo~still dancin~!
Zinj
ElizabethAnnC...@chesapeake.net says...
Ohmagawd... yet again my name left but comment trimmed... is this to be my
fate?
Zinj
ultram...@webtv.net
vouch for Patricia however. In the short time Ive gotten to know her she
has been courteous, considerate, thoughtful and very energetic.
I also hold Bob Minton in high regard for all he's done in exposing the
cult and helping victims.
Only a fool wouldnt see his post as being in bad taste however. A wise
man would tell a friend this. Kissing Bobs ass only harms him. Whats the
motive?
I am disturbed by 2 things 1.The scientology like behaviour inherent in
his tale. 2.I have experienced a real fear of Bob Minton by several
members of the newsgroup. Along with accusations of "OSA!" when
dissension is voiced. Does "OSA!"=SP? It takes strong and forceful
personalities to fight a formidable opponent. The most important issue
here-no one has brought up. How does this affect "The Profit". If this
movie is seen by enough public then it has the potential for being the
biggest blow to them since Mary Sue was convicted of burglary. Lets
focus on that. a quote:
"Choose your enemies well, for it is them you will become most like"
-unknown
Mike
Magoo
Thank you Phil. More than one person has mentioned this to me, and to each one I
point out why I think this is so.
Mostly, it is because of the Internet, and friends. Due to both, I have had the
following occur, which I am sure helped speed things up:
1) I was never alone...or out of communication, as many are when they leave. I left
On-line (almost one year ago) and thus had all of you to continue to be in
communication with.
2) I had some good friends, starting with Andreas, Stacy, Bob, Jessie and LMT to
support me as I left and have continued to be my friend and help me throughout this
year. They have meant more to me than I can put into words....but it is something very
deep with a great deal of thanks and love.
3) I had a few critics who supported me as I left.
4) I had a HUGE army of people who distrusted me, and although this made it
VERY difficult for me....it FORCED me to L O O K really hard. Also, because we
were on-line, it forced me to communicate to each of you and explain why I felt the
way I did, or tell exactly what I had done, etc.I had to be accountable...and I must
admit, you all collectively have come up with some great questions and things for me
to look at.....and from this I have made LOTS of wonderful new friends as well as
healing.
5) I have also has many X-scios become friends and they have helped me greatly as well
as all of my wonderful LA friends who have been tremendously helpful to me daily :)
6) I have stayed on-line and shared with people what has occurred with me. Many
people have suggested I get off of the Internet, but I could feel this healing going
on,
and thus I have stayed. Much of this has been hard, much has been wonderful.
7) People from all over the world have e-mailed me almost daily writing words of
encouragement and this also has been tremendously helpful. I know OSA has made a few
feeble attempts to tell me this is just critics trying to fool me, but as I said to
them, *only* people such as they would come to this sick conclusion...as it is what
they would do. If they could read some of the thing that have been written to me, they
would never say that...ever.
Whomever said it takes years to recover is correct. I work on it daily...and I have
a number of people helping me, and I get to try to help them too. Our purpose is full
recovery. :)
Sometimes things get too intense, and there must be a pause....or even a break. This
is not a Scientology handle as someone said...this is how people are when they are
pissed. A Scientology handle would be to "pretend to Be in ARC...while stabbling the
person in the back, behind his or her back. That goes on all the time I was a
Buddhist prior to Scientology, and that isn't any Buddhism
I knew or know. Perhaps they have a "new age Buddhism" which incorporates
Scientology principles? That's scarry....but not impossible as remember the C of S had
the whole big event re Buddhism. Make sure you are studying whole Buddhism.
More importantly is the following:
For anyone who has left the cult, make sure you take some time for just you. This is
not meant as an insult or a put down AT ALL. This is merely stating what many who have
written about recovery have said: it takes time, and work. There is a great book
called, "Captured Hearts, Captured Minds". I highly recommecnd anyone reads it. The
information is fascinating. It is good data for anyone to have. A few of us are
reading it, talking about the
concepts, and learning a great deal as well as helping each other move farther out of
the trap.
I wish you well.
Tory/Magoo~dancing in the light~
Phil Scott wrote:
Bob Minton
Tory, it's:
Captive Hearts, Captive Minds -- Freedom and Recovery from Cults and Abusive
Relationships ISBN: 0897931440
Written by Madeleine Tobias, a former member of a new age cult and a
psychotherapist, and Janja Lalich, a former member of a political cult.
Yes, it's a fantastic book.
Dan Bloomquist
imprinted. What I have found is we can determine what we think. That is liberating but
takes practice in daily life.
Up until tonight, I’ve taken for granted that sci technology and church policy were
polarized. Now I wonder how they co-exsist. But then, my exposer was rudimentary. It is
the nature of our reality to get hung up in yin and yang. Objectivity is realizing that.
See Fluffygirl’s post to: Re: scientology FUCKS!!!
It speaks well of human nature. Sciguys called it the big effect, I recall; said it was
but wouldn’t show you. (Then, they never saw it themselves.) All but the most ardent
materialist is looking for some kind of spiritual answer. And even they look in their own
way. It turns out to be that Zen thing, you can create your own peace, and it’s as simple
as changing the way you think. When you wake in the morning, no longer a victim of
anything, you’ve got it. The only hold Scientology has on you is what you let then have.
I sincerely hope this helps.
Best, Dan.
Magoo
point out why I think this is so.
Mostly, it is because of the Internet, and friends. Due to both, I have had the
following occur, which I am sure helped speed things up:
1) I was never alone...or out of communication, as many are when they leave. I left
On-line (almost one year ago) and thus had all of you to continue to be in
communication with.
2) I had some good friends, starting with Andreas, Stacy, Bob, Jessie and LMT to
3) I had a few critics who supported me as I left.
4) I had a HUGE army of people who distrusted me, and although this made it
VERY difficult for me....it FORCED me to L O O K really hard. Also, because we
were on-line, it forced me to communicate to each of you and explain why I felt the
way I did, or tell exactly what I had done, etc.I had to be accountable...and I must
admit, you all collectively have come up with some great questions and things for me
to look at.
people have suggested I get off of the Internet, but I could feel this healing going
on,
and thus I have stayed. Much of this has been hard, much has been wonderful.
a number of people helping me, and I get to try to help them too. Our purpose is full
recovery. :)
Peter basically left Scientology with the help of Patricia. But I don't know how much
actual time he has had healing from his many years of Scientology. Some of what he
has posted is so Scientologese...it only tells me one thing: He needs to work on this
more. I have found I NEED others who understand the trap. Perhaps this is also true
for Peter. Only he knows,,,,but from your words, Peter, they sound very much like
the cults thinking. I was a Buddhist prior to Scientology, and that isn't any Buddhism
I knew or know. Perhaps they have a "new age Buddhism" which incorporates
Scientology principles?
Whatever please make sure you take some time for just you. There is a great book
called "Captured Hearts, Captured Minds". I highly suggest you get it, and read it.
It is good data for you to have. A few of us are reading it, talking about the
concepts, and learning a great deal.
I wish you well.
Tory/Magoo~dancing in the light~
Magoo
As they told me in a seminar Saturday....
"even a mother bird throws her baby bird out of the nest.....and gets it to fly.
But you know what? They NEVER hit the ground.....and if they even get close, the mother or
father bird is right there to swoop down and catch it. You have done so,
over and over...and I thank you for this. :)
Magoo
(Aka: JI)
roger gonnet
You're a good man, and nobody contests it outside scienos (what you read
from Peter or understood can be understood differently, at least, that's how
i understand it).
I'm sure that anybody here can believe things unproven except for
themselves. That anybody - wherever and at whatever times or eras - has done
the wrong things at times. Anyone can err in life.
And everyone in LMT has made errors, or outside LMT, has erred sometimes.
The most evident is that one has to have a "holy" intention to attack
scientology. I'm sure that most of the critics have such "holy" intention.
roger
roger gonnet
GunBunny <gun_b...@hotmail.com_invalid> a écrit dans le message :
3b30be19.12604232@gunbunny...
good
> >intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if
you have
> >evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not
like
> >Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who
you
> >are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand,
if you
> >are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE
Patricia
> >Greenway.
>
> stupid DA war.
>
> PG has powers, POWERS, *POWERS*!
shut your mouth, stupid osaloon, you are believing that past aliens dead 75
millions ago are having present POWERS on you!!
roger
>
roger gonnet
Bodo Staron <bo...@staron.de> a écrit dans le message :
MPG.159b1a17f...@news.t-online.de...
> In article <v9i1jtoovlvo7vf4o...@4ax.com>,
> bobm...@lisatrust.net says...> > Another really scary thing about the two paragraphs that I quoted from
Peter is
> > that Patricia 100 percent believes in what Peter has said. I know this
because
> > she has stated the same thing verbatim many times to me as well as
Stacy. They
> > have both used the term "infallible" when referring to Patricia's
"powers".
> >
>
> Bob,
> don't be to pissed about Peter's writings. It is "normal" for an Ex-
> Scientologist. I heard the story of an Ex-Scio that it took 1 1/2 years
> of daily debates to get Hubbard out of his head. This programming goes
> deep. Just leaving the organization doesn't get Hubbard out of peoples
> minds.
I've evident exemples from EVERY ex-scieno I know, of "hubbardian methods"
remaining. EVERY ONE, me included. Why? Because some of it was "running",
like "attack, attack, attack" (even if one is also defending).
Or : quote the quotes (even if one does discuss them after, which is
forbidden as "verbal tech")
roger
roger gonnet
<Anonymous> a écrit dans le message :
rrl1jtc2p7a04cvc4...@4ax.com...> >Peter, you said Patricia helped get you out of the cult.
> >
> >Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over
to
> >the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
> >
>
> And Jesse can help you score some drugs too as part of the exit
> counselling.
ow, since i observe you are such a great benefactor having probably been
behind the payment of marijuana to jessie, please, send me 5 tons for
yesterday. I need to fly high.
roger
>
roger gonnet
<Mr Rogerz
Do you believe I could feel attacked because I'm one roger?
fuck off, osatroll.
r
roger gonnet
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<Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net> a écrit dans le message :
j4i1jtkm02i3sudff...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance...
> On 20 Jun 2001 10:55:08 -0500.
> In Message-ID: <a8g1jtgcgl1am3r1s...@4ax.com>
> From: Mr Rogerz.
> Organization: .
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
> are truly insane you idiot.
>
ow, Sten-Arne, why do you call him an idiot, for once, we had a
good-scientologists-in-good-standing being also a joker and degrader,
therefore an espee!
roger
roger gonnet
Phil Scott <phils...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
3b30dda2...@news.tdl.com...> Well, thanks for 'the other half of the story'... there are always at
least two
> sides. And in the case of people on both sides of the story, both very
> effective in bringing the cult down, the truth may be found with both
stories
> left in tact, but mixed in the middle... to form pie alamode or some such.
I see we have often similar conclusions or demands, Phil.
roger
roger gonnet
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:35:03 +0200, Bodo Staron <bo...@staron.de> wrote:
>
> >In article <20010620090110...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
> >kngp...@aol.com says...
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >I learned that it takes the same time to heal from Scientology as the
> >time you were in. Healing means: Get Hubbard out of your head.
>
> thats close. for some its faster, Tory did very well in that regard.
Most
> take 10 or 15 years if they are critics to get close to totally
unbrainwashed..
>
> If the person is a freezoner, in some cases the brainwash seems terminal.
I had this chance that getting really out was very fast for me. FIfteen days
or so. But to get all the painful "lessons" separated from the truths
everyone has inside, that need eternity indeed, since all our experiences
have some impact on our lives.
roger
ptsc
eliza...@chesapeake.net wrote:
>Oh my, is that what happened to you? Your asshole became impacted from being
>screwed by the cult too much? Oh no! Would an enema help?
Don't feed the newscene.com troll.
ptsc
ptsc
<j.cr...@prsint.com> wrote:
>"ŠAnti-CultŽ - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/"
><Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net> wrote in message
>news:j4i1jtkm02i3sudff...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance...
>> And the newscene insane idiot, comes up with yet another fake ID. You
>> are truly insane you idiot.
>hey AC.
>This newscene guy's a pain and ineffective to boot.
>One of the reasons I don't post much anymore is because there's way too much
>intrigue on this NG, but I still read it.
>BTW - who do you think this is?
>Path: spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1
It's also the newscene.com troll. He got the Extra Newsguy account
about a month ago and also changes his nick every post there.
ptsc
ptsc
>Dear Mr. Rogerz,
>Your post appears to be the work of a Scientologist: your logic sucks,
>and your OSA supplied "facts" are, of course, wrong, so I'm responding
>to you accordingly.
No, it's the idiot newscene.com troll. Don't feed the trolls, it only
encourages them.
Still, a good post, but you're completely wasting your time
communicating with an insane loser with no life whose only activity,
all day and every day, is trolling various newsgroups with crazy
idiocy.
ptsc
EldonB123
I couldn't agree more. I don't know firsthand what happened, but it's apparent
that Peter and Patricia have put a lot of energy into a project that
Scientology would love to sabotage. It hasn't been easy for them.
The LMT has been under constant attack since it was established. It hasn't been
easy for them either.
Whatever the differences, I'm saddened to see this squabble aired in public. As
much as we might be amused by Scientology's crass antics at times, they do have
the skills and resources to find and push people's buttons. They are quite
adept at inserting disinformation where it will cause dissent between allies.
Bob, Stacy, Ursula, Peter and Patricia may have all become unwitting OSA pawns
in this sorry episode.
Best, Eldon
roger
Phil Scott
>Roger,
>
>I couldn't agree more. I don't know firsthand what happened, but it's apparent
>that Peter and Patricia have put a lot of energy into a project that
>Scientology would love to sabotage. It hasn't been easy for them.
>
>The LMT has been under constant attack since it was established. It hasn't been
>easy for them either.
>
>Whatever the differences, I'm saddened to see this squabble aired in public. As
>much as we might be amused by Scientology's crass antics at times, they do have
>the skills and resources to find and push people's buttons. They are quite
>adept at inserting disinformation where it will cause dissent between allies.
>
>Bob, Stacy, Ursula, Peter and Patricia may have all become unwitting OSA pawns
>in this sorry episode.
>
>Best, Eldon
On that particular issue. I had always been in good communication with Stacy
until one day in 1998 or 99 when she quit answering my email and would not take
phone calls from me, or return calls. I got a similar impression from Bob but
it was less emphatic. Stacy just cut all communication with me.
At the time, and now, I consider that they had been slipped some sort of false
information that caused them to treat me this way, and it has not bothered me, I
still support both people and the LMT... it is quite totally apparent to me that
they simply bought some false data, or made an incorrect evaluation on something
I might have said or done.
Oh well... why should I treat them any differently just because of some two bit
missunderstanding. Its almost as if someone said I had 9 feet or something.
really I wouldnt get too upset. The reality remains. Others come to that
reality in thier own way. It is not for me to tell others what to think.
I have had this experience with other critics as well, some old established ones
treating me at the slightest whim as an ill intended cult operative...and I
understand that as well. and still recommend them and reference their web
sites... these people simply got some false impression from
either something I said, or more likely an outside more orchestrated source.
The cult is world class at creating confusion and distrust as well.
My attitude is that in the end the truth comes out, and as the false sources
eventually surface then the mess eventually comes clean.
but it indeed does seem to take a while.
Then there are the real issues.... none of us are perfect by a long shot, some
of us can be half nutz at times . To find fault with each other in this arena
and circumstance is an error imho.
Its sort of like one solder at Normandy beach upbrading another for bleeding on
him.. its uncalled for... but none the less should be dealt with humanely.
Having said that, most people do the best they can, and that simply has to be
fine and wonderful in most cases. If someone says you are a nazi.. I think the
proper thing to do is give them the good old Sig Heil, and buy em a budweiser...
getting mad at ludicrous remarks is counter productive.
No one can do better than they can do. Thats reality. And one had better love
it. Hating it is a form of denial of reality. that is counter productive.
Phil Scott
Dr. Paloma
says...
>
>Roger,
>
>I couldn't agree more. I don't know firsthand what happened, but it's apparent
>that Peter and Patricia have put a lot of energy into a project that
>Scientology would love to sabotage.
I.e., the "project" of trying to sabotage Scientology.
> It hasn't been easy for them.
Lives of crime rarely are easy.
>
>The LMT has been under constant attack since it was established.
Don't you mean "constantly on the attack"?
>It hasn't been
>easy for them either.
A foundation of lies, slander and bigotry can be unstable at times.
>
>Whatever the differences, I'm saddened to see this squabble aired in public. As
>much as we might be amused by Scientology's crass antics at times, they do have
>the skills and resources to find and push people's buttons. They are quite
>adept at inserting disinformation where it will cause dissent between allies.
>
>Bob, Stacy, Ursula, Peter and Patricia may have all become unwitting OSA pawns
>in this sorry episode.
>Best, Eldon
>
>
><< Please Bob, stop attacking friend people publicly.
>
>You're a good man, and nobody contests it outside scienos
And half your staff and the newly impoversihed nation of Nigeria.
Dr. Paloma
linguist Gonnet. The object will be to guess what the hell he's talking about.
For example, can anyone guess what this means?
>
>I'm sure that anybody here can believe things unproven except for
>themselves.
>
>
>roger
Chris Leithiser
>
> I'm thinking of starting a new contest. It will feature excerpts from master
> linguist Gonnet. The object will be to guess what the hell he's talking about.
> For example, can anyone guess what this means?
"The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very
space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet -- 178 billion
on
average) by mass implanting."
Well, for one thing, his math is off.
beerslayer
news:9gt9e...@drn.newsguy.com...
Tell ya what, "Doc"...
YOU take up French (if you're a Scientologist, with a Scientologist's
"perfect memory" (as LRH himself says), this should be child's play,
right?). Then, post in your newly acquired language on any public newsgroup
where that language is predominant, and have hundreds of native speakers of
that language avidly reading what YOU write, and we'll see how perfect YOUR
writing is.
So Roger's English is not perfect. So what? Neither is yours. Try posting
meaningful information rather than attacking people.
-- The Beerslayer
-- SP2 and proud
Nick Andrew
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>condition. [...]
"So what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
Scientology, they are either insane or criminals, or they are being led
astray by suppressive persons." -- Hubbard, paraphrased.
So I really think you need to leave the "foregone conclusion" mindset.
Nick.
--
Do not send me email copies of postings. Keep it in USENET please.
Clar...@juno.com
>
>>Peter, you said Patricia helped get you out of the cult.
>>
>>Well, based on these two paragraphs below, you would do well to come over to
>>the LMT and have Stacy and Jesse give you some remedial exit counselling.
>>
>>>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>>>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>>>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>>>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>>>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>>>Greenway.
>>>
>>>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>>>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>>>an observation of an invariable fact.
>>>
>>
>>PS I forgive you for saying I have "evil intentions" or I'm "going off the deep
>>end mentally" because I don't like Patricia.
>
>PPS I now know that I did not finish reading the first sentence of the second
>paragraph after the first use of the word "or." Peter also includes the
>possibility that my dislike for Patricia's behavior may also be because I am
>merely PTS to an SP (presumably Stacy). Ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes it
>much more "CLEAR."
>
>
>Bob Minton
Bob,
It's very clear from the exchange of postings between you and Peter
that both of you are "pussy-whipped". Do we care what Stacy thinks
about Patricia or what Patricia thinks about Stacy? The bottom line is
that both of you are in this ng defending women who broke up your
marriages and are now in the process of destroying both of you.
Clark
l.l.lipshitz
| I'm thinking of starting a new contest. It will feature excerpts from master
| linguist Gonnet. The object will be to guess what the hell he's talking about.
in french, please.
[...]
-elle
-----------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube/at/min/net]=-----------
oh, i'll bet you don't know what the number 8 really is.
it's a bag of money sitting on a bag of money. -lrh
l.l.lipshitz
beerslayer (beersla...@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com) sez:
| "Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
| news:9gt9e...@drn.newsguy.com...
| > I'm thinking of starting a new contest. It will feature excerpts from
| master
| > linguist Gonnet. The object will be to guess what the hell he's talking
| about.
| > For example, can anyone guess what this means?
| >
| >>
| >> I'm sure that anybody here can believe things unproven except for
| >> themselves.
'the only reason a person gives up study or becomes
confused or unable to learn is because he or she has
gone past a word that was not understood.'
which word don't you understand?
| Tell ya what, "Doc"...
|
| YOU take up French (if you're a Scientologist, with a Scientologist's
| "perfect memory" (as LRH himself says), this should be child's play,
hubbard learned 'igoroti' ('an eastern primitive
language') in a single nite.
as we all know, lrh was a genius and dr. paloma is
not, plus the igorots have a 'very simple language' **
unlike the french, so learning french in a single
nite is probably beyond the good dr's capability.
however, he should be able to learn it in a very
very short time, say, a week or 2, with the precise
application of the study tech.
** hubbard said igorot was 'primitive' and 'simple',
comprising only 300 words. compare that to the
1000-word vocabulary of koko the gorilla (who
uses american sign language). draw your own
conclusions about hubbard's opinion of the
igorots.
| right?). Then, post in your newly acquired language on any public newsgroup
| where that language is predominant, and have hundreds of native speakers of
| that language avidly reading what YOU write, and we'll see how perfect YOUR
| writing is.
but but but...it *will* be perfect! dr. paloma is
a neuropsychiatrist AND a scnist, dammit! you know
how awesomely smart they are!
| So Roger's English is not perfect. So what? Neither is yours. Try posting
| meaningful information rather than attacking people.
roger's post 'no one owns the war' was eloquent.
Anonymous
wrote:
>
>beerslayer (beersla...@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com) sez:
> | "Dr. Paloma" <Dr._m...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> | news:9gt9e...@drn.newsguy.com...
> | > I'm thinking of starting a new contest. It will feature excerpts from
> | master
> | > linguist Gonnet. The object will be to guess what the hell he's talking
> | about.
> | > For example, can anyone guess what this means?
> | >
> | >>
> | >> I'm sure that anybody here can believe things unproven except for
> | >> themselves.
>
> 'the only reason a person gives up study or becomes
> confused or unable to learn is because he or she has
> gone past a word that was not understood.'
>
> which word don't you understand?
>
>
ZING. The Hubbard is BARE
Dr. Paloma
>
>
>| So Roger's English is not perfect. So what? Neither is yours. Try posting
> | meaningful information rather than attacking people.
>
You mean the way Roger does?
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From: Dr. Paloma <Dr._m...@newsguy.com>.
Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com].
Wrote on the subject: Re: Patricia Greenway: Truth Revealed!:
>In article <slrn9j99dp....@min.net>, elkube-@-min-.-net says...
Shuddup insane mafia moron :-)
SAZ
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The way to redefine a word is to get the new *definition* repeated as
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l.l.lipshitz
no, i mean the way you do...not. isn't scn
supposed to teach you how to talk to anyone
about anything?? how come you can't demonstrate
that skill? one of your buddies pointed this out
in another thread (thx!): your taunts and insults
are pure reactive-mind behavior, stimulus and
response. isn't scn supposed to fix that?
now then, i want you to understand that this is
just my opinion and the author of what you quoted
above may have a completely different
interpretation....
beerslayer
news:slrn9jamp0....@min.net...
> Dr. Paloma (Dr._m...@newsguy.com) sez:
>| In article <slrn9j99dp....@min.net>, elkube-@-min-.-net
says...
>|>
>|>| So Roger's English is not perfect. So what? Neither is yours.
Try posting
>|>| meaningful information rather than attacking people.
>|>
>|
>| You mean the way Roger does?
>
> no, i mean the way you do...not. isn't scn
> supposed to teach you how to talk to anyone
> about anything?? how come you can't demonstrate
> that skill? one of your buddies pointed this out
> in another thread (thx!): your taunts and insults
> are pure reactive-mind behavior, stimulus and
> response. isn't scn supposed to fix that?
>
> now then, i want you to understand that this is
> just my opinion and the author of what you quoted
> above may have a completely different
> interpretation....
As the author of the above quote in question, my ears are burning...
Notice the way a Church of Scientology apologist approached my statement
about posting meaningful information rather than attacking people. His
(her? its?) response? Another attack on the person in question.
Of course. "Always attack, never defend" -- L.R.H.
Don't these people learn? Isn't Scientology supposed to be about
"learning how to learn"? I, for one, doubt it, as I have seen ZERO
evidence of this. I have never noticed a "bonafide" Scientologist to
learn from erroneous behaviour and modify future behaviour to
acknowledge and correct the mistake. Perhaps it happens occasionally,
but it must be rare. Certainly it's rare on this newsgroup.
The "Church" of Scientology will *NEVER* succeed in this society or any
other until it learns how to peacefully co-exist with non-members and
those who disagree with its practices. Since that will never happen
(it's a violation of scripture), I feel justified in stating that,
judging by "Dr." Paloma's example, the rest of society is safe from
imminent CoS takeover. And the numbers would seem to bear me out.
The few reasonable Scientologists on this newsgroup have been completely
drowned out by those who are determined to push the party line
regardless of its irrelevance to today's world.
You may strive against free speech, calling it "religious bigotry" and
whatnot, but it is a battle which you will lose. And this is as it
should be.
-- The Beerslayer
-- SP2 and proud!
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On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>As there have been several strange and incorrect posts regarding Patricia
>Greenway, and this newsgroup is occasionally archived and made available to
>search engines, please allow me to set the record straight on this subject.
The short version: Bob Minton trashed Patricia Greenway and she's now
using you to do damage control.
>I have known Patricia Greenway for close to five years now.
I feel sorry for you.
>The first thing she did upon coming to the Totally Fun Company in late October,
>1996 is to give my business a shot in the arm. At that time, we were a WISE
>(Scientology) business and some clients and key personnel had been driven away
>because they did not want to be associated with the cult of Scientology.
>Patricia, with her excellent marketing skills, turned things around and "got
>our stats up" right away.
Is that right Peter? I'm sure then you wouldn't mind showing us your tax
returns before and after Patricia took over your company. Nothing
personal, but I don't trust anyone who can't show proof. Money talks. BS
walks.
>Patricia, who at first had no opinion about Scientology, began to notice some
>very strange things regarding the cult. One day, a member of the local OT
>Committee burst into our busy Totally Fun Office, and despite being told by the
>receptionist that he needed to have an appointment to see me, brushed past
>Patricia with a glazed look in his eyes and stormed into my office, demanding
>that I attend the OT Committee meeting. This guy, whose name I don't know to
>this day, looked and acted like a completely hypnotized robot, and I had to
>admit: he was scary in his insanity.
Was your ex-wife a Scientologist? If so seems to me that right there
Patricia had a really good reason to trash Scientology - her agenda was a
little broader than giving the company "a shot in the arm." But carry on
with your story, you're doing a wonderful job of proving Bob's point about
Patricia.
>Next, the Church required that I settle my divorce with my ex-wife through a
>Scientology WISE arbitration, which was a disaster in every way. Patricia
>began to wonder: what was this Scientology that could turn people into robots
>and ruin businesses?
I see. Patricia was unhappy because she was afraid your wife was going to
get all your money. That wouldn't fit with her plan at all, would it?
Had she turned you into a pussy-whipped robot already at that stage?
>She started doing research on the internet. She found this newsgroup, and
>other websites which showed the true nature of the evil of this cult.
>
>Although I had been a public member of Scientology for twenty years, I knew
>nothing of the crimes of the cult. When Patricia first brought me evidence, I
>became angry with her. Finally, she showed me government documents about L.
>Ron Hubbard: these proved he had not been a World War II Naval hero who had
>cured himself of war injuries with Dianetics as stated by the Church. In
>reality, the person I referred to as "my hero" was an incompetent blowhard who,
>after screwing up in every position the Navy had placed him, had tried to con
>the Veteran's Administration out of an undeserved pension. I knew that good
>things do not come from evil people, so I began to look at Scientology more
>closely.
Come on Peter, do you expect me or anyone else in this ng to believe this
"research" crap? She had it all worked out to trap you in her web like a
black widow. Do you really consider this woman so powerful and intelligent
to be capable of doing such research? Her intelligence goes as far as
being a loud mouth and badmouthing anyone she doesn't like especially when
it comes to ex-Scientologists. She doesn't trust any ex-Scientologist why
would she trust you? She doesn't but she likes to keep you on a leash and
run your life. She probably wrote this posting for you.
>Even though, at this point, I knew L. Ron Hubbard was a con man, I still
>thought Scientology worked. I recalled how I had enjoyed the euphoric "high" I
>got from "auditing" myself on the OT7 level. One day, Patricia discovered on
>the internet that L. Ron Hubbard believed in "body thetans." Body thetans are
>little beings who are supposed to be stuck to you-and the Scientology "tech"
>teaches that by "blowing off" these "body thetans" you can attain spiritual
>freedom. This thought seemed so ridiculous to Patricia that she took her hand
>and stuck it in a napkin and moved the napkin around like a hand puppet,
>saying, "Look, I'm a body thetan. Look, I'm stuck on you!"
>
>I laugh at that memory now, but at the time I became very, very angry. I had
>been taught never to "joke or degrade" about the tech. When I calmed down, I
>had to admit that I, myself, had never believed this "body thetan" story, and
>didn't really understand what I was doing to myself on OT7. I decided to stop
>"auditing," and almost instantly felt a cloud lifting from my mind.
>
>I have to say in retrospect that no one, and I mean no one, would have risked
>offending me and presenting the truth about Scientology to me, other than
>Patricia Greenway. She has the ability to get right in someone's face and tell
>them the truth, regardless of the consequences, regardless of how upset they
>get, regardless of what they say to her, regardless of the personal harm it may
>do her.
Oh, get real dude. She just badmouths anyone that gets in between her and
your money and vice versa. Dig it - she doesn't give a damn about you,
that's obvious, otherwise she would be here speaking for herself. But no,
she sends you instead to talk about what a "great woman" she is and what
an idiot you were. One thing I'll give you, she does have an ability to
get in your face (I could see that in Sten's logs) and she definitely has the intimidation skills to trap a man with a lot of bucks, wreck his
marriage and control him for the past five years.
>Some time ago, Patricia learned that if she connects up with the truth, and
>follows it in an unswerving manner, regardless of personal danger, her life
>will go right no matter what.
>
>So that's what she does.
Connect up with the truth? We're still trying to figure out whether it's
Stacy or Patricia who's telling the bigger lie here. The problem is that
they're both speaking through Bob and you.
Patricia doesn't strike me to be as smart a crook as Stacy, taking into
account what I've read from and about her on the net that is.
Clark
See part 2 of 2
Clar...@juno.com
On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>This connection with the truth, strangely enough, gives Patricia some of the
>"OT" powers: the same powers Scientologists think they can obtain by paying the
>cult.
>
>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you have
>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if you
>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>Greenway.
Please Peter, listen to me, see a psychologist because you're talking like
someone who is completely demented. She must be really controlling you big
time for you to come out in public and make such moronic statements.
Nobody who's ever read anything by Greenway is going to believe your
hero-worshipping crap.
>So, what I have learned over the years, is that whenever someone attacks
>Patricia Greenway, they are either having mental problems or they have bad
>intentions, or they are being lead astray by someone who is in one or the other
>condition.
Let me ask you this then, what happened to the people that slept with her
in the past? Did they go insane after she left them? You talk like she's
some kind of saint or paranormal individual. Hey, I think Randi should see
this woman -- maybe if she can show her extraordinary paranormal powers,
Randi will give her a million bucks. Contact Randi today.
>This is not, in my observation, a subject for debate: it is merely
>an observation of an invariable fact.
If this isn't a subject for debate why did you post it to ars? You know
it's going to be torn apart and the real truth about Greenway will
eventually coming dribbling out. But maybe that's what you want - somebody
to show you just how badly you've been duped. You've certainly confessed
to being a man who can't make up his own mind about anything.
>I do not air personal grievances, nor do I feel it is appropriate to discuss
>business matters over the internet, but I thought some of you-the good souls
>who are on the right track for themselves-would enjoy reading the truth about
>Patricia Greenway.
Please don't be so pathetic. That's what you just did - air personal
grievances and try to fight your business battles in public. Your opening
statement says everything we need to know about why you're doing this.
>Now, for those gutless, anonymous OSA posters who say I am duped on this
>subject, let me make one thing clear: since I have left Scientology, I haven't
>been duped on anything. I see things clearly now, and for those of you who
>know me, you know I cut no one any slack, including Patricia. I call it as I
>see it, and I see things exactly as they are.
This is the saddest protestation I've ever read. You claim you were duped
for 20 years, so obviously you think you can be duped, but we're supposed
to believe that you weren't duped by a money-hungry woman who broke up
your marriage and is now separating you from another group of people you
gave your loyalty to - for what it's worth, which sure isn't much. You
can't seem to make up your own mind about anything.
Here is the way I see it: 1) Stacy got rid of Bob's wife and she is now
Bob's mistress and 2) Patricia got rid of your wife and she now runs you
and your company. Which doesn't speak half as badly of Patricia and
Stacy as it does of the lying deceitful men they screwed.
Clark
>Now, if you want to see things exactly as they really are, see our new film,
>"The Profit." You can get a glimpse of what this is all about by going to our
>website www.theprofit.org.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Peter N. Alexander
Dave Bird
writes:
>Reply- Part 2 of 2
>
>On 20 Jun 2001 13:01:10 GMT, kngp...@aol.com (Kng Peter) wrote:
>>This connection with the truth, strangely enough, gives Patricia some of the
>>"OT" powers: the same powers Scientologists think they can obtain by paying
>the
>>cult.
>>
>>One of these powers is that she is a lightning rod for good and evil, good
>>intentions and bad intentions, sanity and insanity. By definition, if you
>have
>>evil intentions, or you are going off the deep end mentally, you do not like
>>Patricia Greenway. She can see you for exactly, and I mean exactly, who you
>>are, with unfailing, and I mean unfailing, accuracy. On the other hand, if
>you
>>are a good soul who is on the right track, you love, and I mean LOVE Patricia
>>Greenway.
>
>Please Peter, listen to me, see a psychologist because you're talking like
>someone who is completely demented.
You have not read your own posts then? high dose stellazine, or a
self-administered R2.45, seem the only effective remedies.
Anyway why are you so angry, so despairing, so filled with selfdisgust:
what new disaster has befallen the cult NOW that we've yet to hear of??
You've blown it totally re Henson, at least in the short to medium
term. EFF is taking an interest again. Life must be tough
at the fuhrerbunker in GOLD these days: everyone must be thinking,
will **I** be called on to "volunteer" for the cyanide kool-aid
with the LO, or is there some way I can get posted before it
all blows????
--
FUCK THE SKULL OF HUBBARD, AND BUGGER THE DWARF HE RODE IN ON!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GROETEN --- PRINTZ XEMU EXTRAWL
(COMMANDER, FIFTH INVADER FORCE).
Mark Bunker
<Clar...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:200106241603...@mail.zedz.net...
Clark, you are as nasty as they come.
I understand fully Peter coming to the defense of his partner. I don't
fault him for that.
Patricia did a great job getting Peter to see the truth about Scientology
and not for any of the shitty reasons you espouse.
That Patricia needs to wake up and see the harm she is causing is a
different issue. I only fault Peter for suggesting that Patricia has
infallible OT powers. Loving and hating Patricia is not a litmus test for
one's "evil intentions." To suggest such is folly.
But then you're just a nasty troll trying to further stir things up.
Beverly Rice
The Admissions Of L Ropn Hubbard.
May be viewed in full at this URL:
http://holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm
Il Rum Says:
"You use the minds of men. They do not use your mind or affect it in
any way. You have a sacred spiritual mind, too strong, too high to be
touched. Your league with Higher Beings, your mighty Guardian and the
All Powerful, renders you beyond all human criticism."
ARC = As-Ising the Real Co$,
Beverly
Beverly Rice
From The Admissions Of L Ron Hubbard.
Complete HubTOADian Admissions can be seen here:
http://holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm
Ill Rum sez:
"You write wonderful poetry. Your guardian dictates it and she is all
wise. People gasp and thrill to your poetry. You handle all forms
superbly. You do not care what people think of your poetry. You have
always written the most magnificent verse known because of your
guardian.
Your guardian can dictate stories, poems to you at will. You do not
oppose them. You accept and write them easily. You are not eager. You
cannot doubt."
Gregg
<markb...@lisatrust.net> wrote:
snip
>Clark, you are as nasty as they come.
snip
>But then you're just a nasty troll trying to further stir things up.
Clark is one of the oddest current personalities on a.r.s. His
postings are inconsistent with previous CoS sock puppets--in ways
several long time observers have discussed in detail on IRC. In spite
of this a majority of readers here identify him as a scientologist and
as a result CoS takes a terrible PR beating by being identified with
his vicious postings.
This is not the first time trolls of this class have been seen here
but it is the first time a known scientology account did not denounce
such a troll as not their person. Have they reached the point where
they are so swamped they don't have time to be concerned about the
damage non scientologists are doing to CoS as "agents" by being
vicious on a.r.s? Or is the non scientologist "clark" being vicious
under their direction perhaps on contract?
Life's little mysteries.
Keith Henson
Magoo
man....
he just * happens* to be on a full blown attack on certain key critics and
x-scios?
mmmmm somehow it doesn't match up. If you have more information (data) I
would be most interested in it, and so would a few others. Please either
post it here, or e--mail me at mag...@worldnet.att.net.
Thank you.
Tory/Magoo~
JLHartley
The real mystery here is how the critics could maintain a straight face while
refering to someone else as "vicious".
e.g.:
"Why don't you just die!"
Message ID: 3ade2f3...@nancy.pacific.net.au
"Do you have a car? Do you have a length of hose-pipe?
Create a better eternity for you, your wife and your children."
Message ID: 361742...@virgin.net
>Keith Henson
Ed
At least two different people have said on a.r.s. that they
know that Clark is Edwin Richardson, one of the PI's who spent all
those 100 degree hours with Keith picketing in Gilman Hot Springs. If
anyone wants to share how it is they know Clark is Edwin Richardson,
well, that would be interesting...
Ed