ARSCC Photo Gallery Updated
Martin Hunt
ARSCC Photo Gallery: http://www.islandnet.com/~martinh/arscc.htm
After a long, long time; I think I actually lost some of
the photos people sent me.
Updated about 10 photos with new ones people sent in, and
added Zinjifar. If anyone sends in more, I promise to be
more prompt with the next update. 104 people on the page,
now.
--
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"It's easy to 'fall in love' with these guys. A lot of them are like
kids. No social veneer. If they have a win, they tell you, and if they
don't, they certainly don't pretend to. 'What you see is what you get'
with these guys. Watching two of them line charge the other night while
doing TR-0 bullbaiting over the size of one inmate's nose almost made
me go exterior!" - Lawy...@aol.com (Jim Jackson) talking about inmates
at Lorton, Virginia, being recruited into the Scientology cult via the
front group, Criminon.
jbwebb
Alright, I think Tallulah has knocked Karin Spank-Me off the top. Kady,
you're very beautiful and young! Not at all what I expected. Very
pleasant surprise. Not that anyone cares, but Martin O still leads the
men's list.
Take care
Joni
wgert
Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
Eric Bohlman
wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote:
: Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
: long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
Astounding! wgert actually *modified* an incorrect statement he'd been
making! I think this incarnation of wgert is going to be blowing soon.
Tilman Hausherr
>Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
here (copyright violation!)
http://www.freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea03/img/pg03c_1.jpg
he is of course not "half-naked", he is "half-dressed", as he was
wearing shorts.
Martin Hunt
From: wg...@loop.com (wgert)
>Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
Sounds great! Send it along. Do you have my snail-mail address?
Scan it, if you can, and send it in via email.
>>mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>>ARSCC Photo Gallery: http://www.islandnet.com/~martinh/arscc.htm
ttyl,
martin.
tall...@mail.storm.ca
Karin is the reigning a.r.s. babe goddess; always has been, always will be.
I'd aspire to fill her shoes - or boots - but some positions are eternal.
As for that men's list, I have a few suggestions for the top five names - but
best take that to email. Boys are *so* sensitive, you know.
K
PS So where is jwebb's pic, hmmm?
Paul
wgert wrote:
>
> Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
> long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
So you've finally admitted that he wasn't naked in that photograph?
In any case, why do you care? Is your pig no longer enough to satisfy
you? Do you now need Armstrong's photograph for your private little
fantasies?
-Paul
/\ndroid <at
wgert wrote in message <6g1cie$9ar$8...@usenet53.supernews.com>...
>Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
And where's the one of wgerty embracing his pig?
/\<.
*oink-oink*!
Martin Hunt
In article <352519CF.262D@REMOVE_ME.seanet.com>,
Paul <pauldb@REMOVE_ME.seanet.com> wrote:
>grunt grunt, the OSA piggy wrote:
>>
>> Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>> long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
>
>So you've finally admitted that he wasn't naked in that photograph?
>
>In any case, why do you care? Is your pig no longer enough to satisfy
>you? Do you now need Armstrong's photograph for your private little
>fantasies?
Well, Gerry *is* pretty cute in that photo; even as a purely
hetero man, I can see the attraction.
How about it, grunt grunt pig pig? Are you sexually attracted
to Gerry? Come on; you can tell us. Don't withhold, now. It's
a step up from a pig, you have to admit. (no insult to Gerry
intended).
(Gerry, should I replace your current photo in the arscc
gallery, http://www.islandnet.com/~martinh/arscc/gerry.jpg
with the globe-holding one? It's a *great* photo!)
Martin Hunt
In article <6g4e27$pnq$1...@pugsley.tor.metronet.ca>,
"/\\ndroid <at" <Andro...@Large.com> wrote:
>wgert wrote in message <6g1cie$9ar$8...@usenet53.supernews.com>...
>>Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>>long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
>
>And where's the one of wgerty embracing his pig?
Good idea! How about it, OSA grunt? Send in your pic, and give
me a URL to link to. You can use the big OTs page, if you like.
I've always considered it a good page for showing people what
Scientology is really all about.
Ron Newman
> Alright, I think Tallulah has knocked Karin Spank-Me off the top. Kady,
> you're very beautiful and young! Not at all what I expected. Very
> pleasant surprise. Not that anyone cares, but Martin O still leads the
> men's list.
My vote would go to Brian O'Grady (who is he, anyway?)
--
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http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
Ron Newman
> Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
> long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
The one you published in the anti-Herald pamphlet here in Boston
last month? Say, did you get permission from the owner of that
photograph, or did you violate a copyright?
Raymond Berlin
Martin Hunt wrote:
>
> In article <6g4e27$pnq$1...@pugsley.tor.metronet.ca>,
> "/\\ndroid <at" <Andro...@Large.com> wrote:
>
> >wgert wrote in message <6g1cie$9ar$8...@usenet53.supernews.com>...
> Good idea! How about it, OSA grunt? Send in your pic, and give
> me a URL to link to. You can use the big OTs page, if you like.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|||||||||||||
What? Where?
I gotta see.
Raymond
Steve A
On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 01:06:04 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
> Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
> long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
Why? You gone off pigs?
Practicing medicine without a licence? You decide.
"Step Four - Cures for Illness
You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses of the body
part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing them off. "Cures for
Illness" will then cease to read. [NOTS 34, Fair Use excerpt]
--
Steve A, SP4, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12
"...Your suppositions include an unwarranted accusation which
I do not consider myself called upon to address..."
- a nice line in diplomatic put-down from Swedish
A/G in response to letter of Warren McShane
wgert
Armstrong's photo:
www.freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea03/img/pg03c_1.jpg
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>From: wg...@loop.com (wgert)
>>Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>>long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
>Sounds great! Send it along. Do you have my snail-mail address?
wgert
There is a photo of the German Intelligence operative Tilman Hausherr
at
www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
which ought to go into your gallery - especially after all the fuss
between Lerma and Tilman over Tilman and/or Dieter or whatever it was
(some identification problems) - and before either decides that the
photo should not go up.
wgert
Martin Hunt
In article <6g9577$fu2$2...@usenet87.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>Armstrong's photo:
>www.freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea03/img/pg03c_1.jpg
What an awesome photo! I'm certain Gerry is proud of it; I
know I would be, if someone took such a nice picture of me.
It's been a while since I could do the full lotus.
I shouldn't wonder that if Gerry ever puts up a webpage, that
photo will be at the top of it.
--
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"It's easy to 'fall in love' with these guys. A lot of them are like
Martin Hunt
>There is a photo of the German Intelligence operative Tilman Hausherr
>at
> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
>
>which ought to go into your gallery - especially after all the fuss
>between Lerma and Tilman over Tilman and/or Dieter or whatever it was
>(some identification problems) - and before either decides that the
>photo should not go up.
>
>wgert
The gallery was never meant to "out" anyone, wgert; I think you've
got the wrong idea. I know if you put up such a page, that would
be your purpose - it wasn't mine. It was just meant as a spot of
fun, something to do, put a face to some of the names. I know
it had at least some use, as it was handy to be able to recognize
people IRL, and perhaps it could prevent an imposter from pretending
to be someone else (now, who would want to do that?)
Almost all the photos in it were sent in by the person in the
pictures; the exceptions were either mailed to me in a batch a
long time ago by, I think it was, Tilman, or taken from webbed
photos where the name was already attached (and usually after
*asking* the person in question). I think there's 105 people
in it now; most of them either snailed me a photo for scanning
or emailed me a scan (.gif or .jpg) for the gallery or gave me
a URL where I could pick up the photo. I almost never even ask
someone for their picture (although there are 1-2 exceptions
to that out of the 105); they just find out about it, send one
in, and then wait for me to lose it in all the junk on my HD,
or, if they're lucky, put it up on my page after six months. :-)
I think your whole concept of the arscc gallery is 180 degrees
out of whack, wgert. The chances of me trying to deliberately
"out" someone who wishes to remain anonymous are about the
same as your chances of ever making a rational post: vanishingly
small. Still, you're welcome to send in a photo; someone suggested
you get one taken with your pig.
(the page in question: http://www.islandnet.com/~martinh/arscc.htm)
Robert Vaughn Young
Martin Hunt (mar...@islandnet.com) wrote:
: >Armstrong's photo:
: >www.freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea03/img/pg03c_1.jpg
: What an awesome photo! I'm certain Gerry is proud of it; I
: know I would be, if someone took such a nice picture of me.
: It's been a while since I could do the full lotus.
: I shouldn't wonder that if Gerry ever puts up a webpage, that
: photo will be at the top of it.
No, no, Martin, you aren't with the program, man! You're supposed to be
shocked! Reviled! Stunned! Shudered into silence and never wanting to
speak with Armstrong or utter his name again! You are supposed to be
disgusted and upset and writing your leglistature, police, the
authorities. You should be crying, sobbing in pain, throwing up, screaming
in rage! You should be then throw yourself at the feet of the OSA and
plead forgiveness and sign any document and give them all of your money
and all of your possessions and then find Armstrong and beat the shit out
of him as a "birthday surprise" for Hubbard and turn against all of your
friends to prove that Hubbard and Scientology is The Way, The Truth, The
Everlasting Light and Only Hope For Mankind and you really don't care if
you sleep again or do your laundry because "wgert" has a "wife" that does
it for him.
On the other hand, let's get his "wife" to do our laundry too. That would
be "Keeping Scientology Working."
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Robert Vaughn Young wrote in message <6gatpf$e6r$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>...
>On the other hand, let's get his "wife" to do our laundry too. That would
>be "Keeping Scientology Working."
Heh... only if she promises not to use that damned "laundry ball" thing.
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rod_fl...@hotmail.com
My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
Rod.
On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:50:39 -0500, rne...@thecia.net (Ron Newman) wrote:
>In article <6g1cie$9ar$8...@usenet53.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert)
wrote:
>
>> Where is Gerald Armstrong's photo - the one with over the shoulder
>> long hair, half naked, embracing a globe?
>
>The one you published in the anti-Herald pamphlet here in Boston
>last month? Say, did you get permission from the owner of that
>photograph, or did you violate a copyright?
>
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john smith
In article <352993c9...@news.mindspring.com>, tde...@mindspring.com (T. Devon Sharkey) wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:40:11 -0600, rod_fl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
>>violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
>>your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
>>Rod.
>>
>
>papers need be filed, no fees need be paid. Copyright protection is
>an incident of creation.
You'd think that as litigious as the cult is about copyright law, they'd
understand this basic point of fact.
I am a software developer, and am very familiar with copyright law. In my
early days, I had to handle all of the copyrighting myself (back when I worked
for myself as a contract programmer--I have a patent too, but that's an
entirely different concept and process). Anything you create is copyrighted
to you, automatically. The courts can be used to uphold that copyright. The
only way to lose the copyrights is to give them away (this can be done
explicity, as Roland does with his flyers, and though I'm not a lawyer, you
can probably lose them through neglect by failing to protect them).
REGISTERING for a copyright simply gives more teeth to the court proceedings.
Point of note(again, IANAL): Whoever took the photograph of Gerry actually
holds the copyright, unless it was taken FOR Gerry. Then Gerry would own the
copyright under the "work for hire" clause.
Scott A. McClare
(rod_fl...@hotmail.com) writes:
> My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo.
Whatever. Hey Clod: Better word-clear "sources" - you might be surprised
to find out "whatever I pull out of my ass" isn't one of the definitions.
Scott
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Geoff Burling
On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:40:11 -0600, rod_fl...@hotmail.com saith:
>My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
>violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
>your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
>Rod.
>
What is it with Scieno shrills & sex? First it was Willie Gertner &
the pig fantasy, & now this Scieno who calls himself ``Rod".
Jeez! Next time I'm invited to the weekly ARSCC meeting (wdne/m), I'm
going to ask that chastity belts be issued to all picketers to prevent
us from, er, suffering an unwanted invasion of our personal spaces!
(But only if said picketers also receive a key for said devices. ;-)
Geoff
Olympic-Class Prude
Note that my return address has been munged to foil spambots.
Want to try Hubbard's ``Tech"? Go to http://www.fza.org/pilot/
& do it for free!!!
Pimoty
Rod: My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo.>>
YOu do not have to copyright a picture for it to be protected by copyright. You
migh have a harder time to file for certain damages in federal court, of course
you could always register it and sue.
It's as simple as that.
I guess Scientology has no respect for other people's copyrights ?
ROTFL
Hud Nordin
In article <6gc5ke$s...@news3.newsguy.com> jsm...@jsmith.com (john smith) writes:
>In article <352993c9...@news.mindspring.com>, tde...@mindspring.com (T. Devon Sharkey) wrote:
> Anything you create is copyrighted
>to you, automatically.
You can transfer those rights to others.
> The courts can be used to uphold that copyright. The
>only way to lose the copyrights is to give them away (this can be done
>explicity, as Roland does with his flyers, and though I'm not a lawyer, you
>can probably lose them through neglect by failing to protect them).
No. You cannot lose copyrights by failing to enforce them. It is a
right to control copying of the work; if you choose to let A make
copies, you can still stop B from making copies.
--
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David Gerard
On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:40:11 -0600, rod_fl...@hotmail.com (Justan
Sherwood) wrote:
:My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
:violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
:your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
:Rod.
Gerry never copyrighted the photo because he didn't *take* the photo.
Copyright goes to the photographer, or their employer.
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In article <3537ac72...@thingy.apana.org.au>,
f...@thingy.apana.org.au (David Gerard) wrote:
>Gerry never copyrighted the photo because he didn't *take* the photo.
>
>Copyright goes to the photographer, or their employer.
So who took the photo?
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On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:40:11 -0600.
rod_fl...@hotmail.com.
From: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion.
Wrote on the subject: Re: ARSCC Photo Gallery Updated:
>My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
>violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
>your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
>Rod.
>
Your sources also told you that the Narconon scam had the support of the
King of Sweden. Was that right? Nah, it evolved into another footbullet.
So much for your sources clamboy. Retarded idiots.
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Ron Newman
> My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
> violation. I suggest you copyright your own photo because I heard there is
> your very own page coming up. Just make sure you copyright the right photo.
Are you sure the photo isn't in fact owned by a newspaper in
Marin County?
wgert
A photo of one of the German Intelligence operatives calledTilman
Hausherr is at
www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
This ought to go into the ARSCC gallery - especially after all the
fuss between Lerma and Tilman over Tilman and/or Dieter or whatever it
was (some identification problems) - and before either decides that
the photo should not go up.
E-mail Martin Hunt your agreement, will you. He is at
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt)
Rebecca Jo McLaughlin
We'd much rather have picture of you, gertie, preferably with your porcine
light o' love?
Beck
wgert (wg...@loop.com) wrote:
: A photo of one of the German Intelligence operatives calledTilman
: Hausherr is at
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <6gatpf$e6r$1...@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Robert Vaughn Young
<wri...@eskimo.com> writes
>Martin Hunt (mar...@islandnet.com) wrote:
>: In article <6g9577$fu2$2...@usenet87.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert)
>wrote:
>
>: >Armstrong's photo:
>: >www.freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea03/img/pg03c_1.jpg
>
>: What an awesome photo! I'm certain Gerry is proud of it; I
>: know I would be, if someone took such a nice picture of me.
>: It's been a while since I could do the full lotus.
>
>: I shouldn't wonder that if Gerry ever puts up a webpage, that
>: photo will be at the top of it.
>
>No, no, Martin, you aren't with the program, man! You're supposed to be
>shocked! Reviled! Stunned!
why would Martin be scorned and sneered at by others bacuse of it?
(perhaps you mean "revolted")??
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>My sources tell me that Gerry never copyrighted the photo. There is no
>violation.
The photo, like _any_ work, is automatically copyrighted in the U.S. the
moment it exists in tangible form.
So yes, it is copyrighted, by either the photographer, or if the
photographer worked for someone else, then the person who paid the
photographer.
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wgert
Yep - you badly need that - especially with Graham around!
wgert
Well fine! You have noble motives. Tilman being what he is and JWebb
drooling to get to see a photo of him and having some fun it's almost
a punishment not to put it up. There ought to also be one of JWebb
herself.
As they're reading this post - they can e-mail you their agreements.
wgert
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>In article <6g958g$fu2$3...@usenet87.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>>There is a photo of the German Intelligence operative Tilman Hausherr
>>at
>> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
>>
>>which ought to go into your gallery - especially after all the fuss
>>between Lerma and Tilman over Tilman and/or Dieter or whatever it was
>>(some identification problems) - and before either decides that the
>>photo should not go up.
>>
>>wgert
Martin Hunt
In article <6gemsk$7ag$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>,
wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>Well fine! You have noble motives.
Only the best; that's why I work tirelessly to destroy Scientology.
You know, that photo you referenced has four people in it, and
you said it was of Tilman. Are you able to distinguish differences
and similarities and sort out your data a bit more here? Which one
of the four people is supposed to be Tilman?
>Tilman being what he is and JWebb
>drooling to get to see a photo of him and having some fun it's almost
>a punishment not to put it up. There ought to also be one of JWebb
>herself.
Well, they have my email address; I welcome submissions to the
Photo Gallery, and, if people catch me while I'm in the mood,
they just might get into it in less than six months. :-)
>As they're reading this post - they can e-mail you their agreements.
Or post them. Frankly, I doubt I'll hear from them. You know how
choppy these SPs are with their comm.
Tilman Hausherr
In <KUzK1Mdl...@islandnet.com>, mar...@islandnet.com (Martin
Hunt) wrote:
>You know, that photo you referenced has four people in it, and
>you said it was of Tilman. Are you able to distinguish differences
>and similarities and sort out your data a bit more here? Which one
>of the four people is supposed to be Tilman?
It is certainly logical, since he claims I am four different people.
Whether I am a person on that picture or not will hopefully forever
remain a mystery, or at least be very expensive to investigate :-)
(Unless of course someone tells it to Garry Scarff, then the result
would appear on ars within seconds)
Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine
In article <35cba5e4....@news.snafu.de>, Tilman Hausherr
<til...@berlin.snafu.de> writes
>In <KUzK1Mdl...@islandnet.com>, mar...@islandnet.com (Martin
>Hunt) wrote:
>
>>You know, that photo you referenced has four people in it, and
>>you said it was of Tilman. Are you able to distinguish differences
>>and similarities and sort out your data a bit more here? Which one
>>of the four people is supposed to be Tilman?
>
>It is certainly logical, since he claims I am four different people.
PKB: I assume there are a team of four people assigned to post
from the WGrunt account, and we thinks we must do as they do.
wgert
ars is not about your "beliefs" Newman. At the time you posted your
comment saying "Not any more" it was still up. Check it out, then
report back what you found.
wgert
Ron Newman <rne...@thecia.net> wrote:
>In article <6gdqrr$lkl$1...@usenet88.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com says...
>>
>>A photo of one of the German Intelligence operatives calledTilman
>>Hausherr is at
>>
>> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
>Not any more. I believe that www.adbroker.net has been permanently
>taken down (as originally announced).
Garry Scarff
Geoff Burling wrote:
>
> On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 02:12:35 GMT, wg...@loop.com (wgert) quoted:
>
> >llywrch-d...@rdrop.com (Geoff Burling) wrote:
> >>Jeez! Next time I'm invited to the weekly ARSCC meeting (wdne/m), I'm
> >>going to ask that chastity belts be issued to all picketers to prevent
> >>us from, er, suffering an unwanted invasion of our personal spaces!
> >
> >>(But only if said picketers also receive a key for said devices. ;-)
> >
>
> >Yep - you badly need that - especially with Graham around!
> >
> Do we fear to shop in the supermarket because some nasty homosexual
> (you know, the kind of folks you & your drinking chums call ``fags")
> will knock you down & sodomize you?
>
> Let me put your weak little mind to rest: I've met Graham, & he
> appears to be a man of taste & discimination. He wouldn't have
> anything to do with a Sea Org typist like you, who can't afford soap
> for a bath, or toothpaste to brush your teeth, let alone a steady
> supply of shampoo.
>
> No wonder you fuck pigs, wgert. Until you learn the secrets of hygene,
> no self-respecting woman would want to sleep with you. And even the
> ones fucked up on drugs & living on the streets know better than to
> hit on a ``Smurf" like you.
>
> Geoff
> Olympic-Class Advisor on Sex
Damn, Geoff, you're starting to sound like me!
Garry Scarff
wgert wrote:
>
> Well fine! You have noble motives. Tilman being what he is and JWebb
> drooling to get to see a photo of him and having some fun it's almost
> a punishment not to put it up. There ought to also be one of JWebb
> herself.
>
>
So, wgert, do you eat em' after you fuck them, or audit them first?
Just curious.
Garry
Garry Scarff
Tilman Hausherr wrote:
>
> In <KUzK1Mdl...@islandnet.com>, mar...@islandnet.com (Martin
> Hunt) wrote:
>
> >You know, that photo you referenced has four people in it, and
> >you said it was of Tilman. Are you able to distinguish differences
> >and similarities and sort out your data a bit more here? Which one
> >of the four people is supposed to be Tilman?
>
> It is certainly logical, since he claims I am four different people.
> remain a mystery, or at least be very expensive to investigate :-)
>
> (Unless of course someone tells it to Garry Scarff, then the result
> would appear on ars within seconds)
Thank you Tilman. I am honored...
jbwebb
wgert wrote:
>
> Well fine! You have noble motives. Tilman being what he is and JWebb
> drooling to get to see a photo of him and having some fun it's almost
> a punishment not to put it up. There ought to also be one of JWebb
> herself.
>
> As they're reading this post - they can e-mail you their agreements.
>
> wgert
>
>
> >In article <6g958g$fu2$3...@usenet87.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>
> >>There is a photo of the German Intelligence operative Tilman Hausherr
> >>at
> >> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
> >>
> >>which ought to go into your gallery - especially after all the fuss
> >>between Lerma and Tilman over Tilman and/or Dieter or whatever it was
> >>(some identification problems) - and before either decides that the
> >>photo should not go up.
> >>
> >>wgert
Jeez, most photos of me are very old. Elisabeth seems to be the only
one who gets her picture taken in this family! We're going on vacation
this week -- maybe I'll get Ben to snap one just for YOU, WILLIAM
GERTNER. BTW, I'm not a PIG, so I know you won't find me attractive :-(
take care
Joni
Patrick L. Humphrey
jbwebb <jbw...@idt.net> writes:
[to our favorite pig-shagger, of course]
>Jeez, most photos of me are very old. Elisabeth seems to be the only
>one who gets her picture taken in this family! We're going on vacation
>this week -- maybe I'll get Ben to snap one just for YOU, WILLIAM
>GERTNER. BTW, I'm not a PIG, so I know you won't find me attractive :-(
>take care
>Joni
Rest assured that those of us who _have_ had the pleasure of meeting you in
person know the truth -- and isn't it funny that the clams are so concerned
about your appearance? What have you done to set _them_ in such a tizzy? :-)
If the clams can't handle your appearance, so much for their vaunted Tech!
--PLH, keep up the good work...when the clams devote attention to you, you're
revaling things they don't want known
Martin Hunt
In article <6ghgeg$3oa$1...@news.net-quest.com>,
J.M. Ivler <iv...@net-quest.com> wrote:
>For the record, no names are assocaited with any of the images I posted,
>and anyone who wanted to could have been removed from the images (in fact
>in one case one of the images has a big black spot where that person used
>their incredible ARS powerz (much like OT powerz) and caused a black hole
>to appear where there are no colour pixels!).
>
>I was asked to post names, but that wasn't why I was there. I was there to
>record the event and make the images availabale to any who wanted them.
If anyone in the pictures wants to be in the arscc gallery, drop
me a line. If you have a URL to link to, so much the better.
Oh, and is it just me, or do photos 11 and 14 from the 10th disk
have an error in the jpeg? They load up OK, but give an error in
LView, and a small part of the bottom of the photo doesn't load.
Netscape doesn't mind them, but there's a small part at the bottom
clipped in black.
Thanks for the photos, J.M.; it's almost like being there, looking
at all of them. (what's with the tarps? did the Scns pop the balloon
Xenu man? what's that big brown building? I wish there were some
captioning, even if the names must be left out.)
--
Cogito, ergo sum. FAQs: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~av282/
.
.
.
.
Geoff Burling
Note that my return address has been munged to foil spambots.
J.M. Ivler
wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote:
> A photo of one of the German Intelligence operatives calledTilman
> Hausherr is at
> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg
Hey Gertie, I was hoping to catch one with you and the pig, but you
weren't there.
For the record, no names are assocaited with any of the images I posted,
and anyone who wanted to could have been removed from the images (in fact
in one case one of the images has a big black spot where that person used
their incredible ARS powerz (much like OT powerz) and caused a black hole
to appear where there are no colour pixels!).
I was asked to post names, but that wasn't why I was there. I was there to
record the event and make the images availabale to any who wanted them.
I would have included lots of Scientologist pictures too, but you guys
cancelled your block party!
wgert
Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy holding
the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk9/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy on the
left, wears cheap glasses. The chick in the middle is Stacey Minton.
Question:
www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk12/Mvc-001f.jpg : Can anyone put a name to
these two?
Tilman Hausherr
>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
>
>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy holding
>the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
What about his bluejeans - are the "cheap" or "expensive"?
>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk9/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy on the
>left, wears cheap glasses. The chick in the middle is Stacey Minton.
I am surprised - the two fotos actually show the same person, which is a
bigger "hit" than I would expect of you. I wonder why you cannot tell
what was written on his T-Shirt? And are you really sure that it was me?
If you expect me to confirm or deny it - keep dreaming. I had this for
several weeks with a german guy, who claimed that I had distributed
flyers at the Brandenburg Gate. After several weeks, he finally brought
his "evidence" - my URL was mentioned on the flyer (which he had not
even kept). It was hilarious. Later, his constantly whined about my
refusal to confirm or deny his allegation. He left the usenet shortly
after this.
The "chick" is Stacy Young, and maybe she doesn't want to be called a
"chick". We're in the 90ies - there are other words now.
>Question:
>
>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk12/Mvc-001f.jpg : Can anyone put a name to
>these two?
Two bankers from the UK. They are member of the "less than 12 people"
team.
Tilman
J.M. Ivler
WRONG! I took the pictures, I should know. One is Xemu and the other is
his brother Xenu, I forget which is which though. They were both really
quite nice, except got the H-bombs that they were carrying in those small
containers, and the map of the volcanos that the one on the right has in
his hand.
Rebecca Hartong
wgert wrote in message <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>...
>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:.....
Oh yeah? Hmmm... looking good, Tilman!
How about some photos of you (with or without the pig, your choice) Wgert?
(trimmed headers.. why should the unification people care?)
Tilman Hausherr
In <6gj8od$f...@enews1.newsguy.com>, "Rebecca Hartong"
<har...@erols.com> wrote:
>>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:.....
>
>Oh yeah? Hmmm... looking good, Tilman!
*That* I will of course never deny :-) But I'm still waiting for the
evidence that this person is me. I expect that in a week, wgert will
name another one, hoping for an acknoledgement. Maybe the videotapes of
the celebrity center weren't that good?
And what became of the theory that I am 4 different people? You can't
have it both ways, wgert. You have to point at the other three.
>How about some photos of you (with or without the pig, your choice) Wgert?
Ha ha... the other day I saw a plush pig in a toy store, and I thought
of wgert immediately. ROFL!!!
>(trimmed headers.. why should the unification people care?)
They do. They have a scientologist patrolling the area
(ange...@aol.com), and some of them hate me with passion.
Tilman
Garry Scarff
wgert wrote:
>
> Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
>
> the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
>
> left, wears cheap glasses. The chick in the middle is Stacey Minton.
>
OK, fine, but when are you going to post your picture of fucking the
pig, wgert? We are desperately waiting.
Garry
bc
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Speak for yourself, Garry. Some of us really don't want to see
that.
There's such a thing as too *much* information. The pictures in my
mind are already bad enough.
Excuse me...(sounds of intensely unpleasant
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David Fabian
>Two bankers from the UK. They are member of the "less than 12 people"
>team.
Is this a quote from LRH? Correct English is, "fewer than twelve people."
Martin Hunt
In article <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
[irrelevant newsgroups snipped]
>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
>
>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy holding
>the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
You seem quite certain; how do you know?
How do you know you haven't been trolled by the arscc?
What is the source of your information? Is it reliable? Do you
trust it?
I neither trust you, nor your source of information, whatever
or whoever that might be. (please don't say you just exteriorized
and checks the facts while out of your body!)
Garry Scarff
>
> Oh yeah? Hmmm... looking good, Tilman!
I have to admit that when picketing at the Celebrity Center and seeing
all these scroungy-haired picketers with beards, my eyes were focused on
this clean-cut, cute man with a nice ass wearing jeans and a white
T-shirt. I commented to a fellow picketer about how cute this man was,
and he remarked with surprise "That's Tilman Hausherr". I nearly died.
Garry Scarff
Garry Scarff
bc wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:29:56 -0700, Garry Scarff <scarff@
> mindspring.com> brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
>
> >wgert wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy
> holding
> >> the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap
> glasses.
> >>
> the
> >> left, wears cheap glasses. The chick in the middle is Stacey
> Minton.
> >>
> >> Question:
> >>
> >> www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk12/Mvc-001f.jpg : Can anyone put a
> name to
> >> these two?
> >
> >OK, fine, but when are you going to post your picture of fucking
> the
> >pig, wgert? We are desperately waiting.
> >
> >Garry
>
> Speak for yourself, Garry. Some of us really don't want to see
> that.
>
> There's such a thing as too *much* information. The pictures in my
> mind are already bad enough.
>
> Excuse me...(sounds of intensely unpleasant
> regurgitation...)...sorry...
Oh, come one, aren't you the least bit curious????
William Barwell
In article <6ggpj6$nf9$7...@usenet88.supernews.com>, wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote:
>ars is not about your "beliefs" Newman.
I hereby declare ARS is about Gertie's beliefs.
Space cooties and pigs.
Silly little man!
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Jim McCann
If you go to these photo web sites - Don't forget to look at the whole
collection - Just take the original URL address, then go to the place where
there is a number (i.e. "disk4") and then replace it with another number
(i.e. "disk2") and you can see the whole collection the Scientology
surveillance team was able to capture - I especially like the photos where
the t-shirts plainly reveal "Scientology Kills" - But don't overlook the web
site to which the protest signs refer (disk2) The truth shall make you free
and the truth should be free.
I hope I won't be considered a bigot if I think it would be great if
people really were aware what are the inner teachings of a so-called
"religion for profit"
Tilman Hausherr wrote in message <354d1ad1....@news.snafu.de>...
>In <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>
>>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
>>
>>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy holding
>>the sigm, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
>
>
>>left, wears cheap glasses. The chick in the middle is Stacey Minton.
>
>bigger "hit" than I would expect of you. I wonder why you cannot tell
>what was written on his T-Shirt? And are you really sure that it was me?
>If you expect me to confirm or deny it - keep dreaming. I had this for
>several weeks with a german guy, who claimed that I had distributed
>flyers at the Brandenburg Gate. After several weeks, he finally brought
>his "evidence" - my URL was mentioned on the flyer (which he had not
>even kept). It was hilarious. Later, his constantly whined about my
>refusal to confirm or deny his allegation. He left the usenet shortly
>after this.
>
>The "chick" is Stacy Young, and maybe she doesn't want to be called a
>"chick". We're in the 90ies - there are other words now.
>
>team.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ron Newman
In article <6gl29n$2...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, "Jim McCann"
<nas...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> If you go to these photo web sites - Don't forget to look at the whole
> collection - Just take the original URL address, then go to the place where
> there is a number (i.e. "disk4") and then replace it with another number
> (i.e. "disk2") and you can see the whole collection the Scientology
> surveillance team was able to capture
These photos were taken by one or more members of the picketing group,
not by Scientologists.
--
Ron Newman rne...@thecia.net
http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/
J.M. Ivler
Jim McCann <nas...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> If you go to these photo web sites - Don't forget to look at the whole
> collection - Just take the original URL address, then go to the place where
> there is a number (i.e. "disk4") and then replace it with another number
> (i.e. "disk2") and you can see the whole collection the Scientology
> surveillance team was able to capture
WHOA!!!! I take a great deal of offense at this statement. Considering I
was the photographer and that I was wearing one of the black T-shirts that
feature so well in these shots, I would like to point out that these shots
were provided by WatchARS(tm)(wnde) who was there to record the event on
behalf of those on ARS who couldn't be there. That might explain why so
many of them are so well posed. Do you really think that the "Scientology
surveillance team" went and had Thai lunch (sitting right next to one of
the most outspoken critics [hi Dennis], and across from the former head of
CAN [the pre-Cos-CAN]) and was unnoticed (the empty chair next te Dennis
was mine)? :-)
Now, the fact is that people could opt to be omitted (and in at least one
picture you can see there is a "black hole"). And I choose to not add
commentary (who is whom) so that people could do so if they wanted by
taking the image on their own site, and adding their own comments.
jmi for WatchARS(tm)(wdne)
bc
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<snip>
>> >OK, fine, but when are you going to post your picture of fucking
>> the
>> >pig, wgert? We are desperately waiting.
>> >
>> >Garry
>>
>> Speak for yourself, Garry. Some of us really don't want to see
>> that.
>>
>> There's such a thing as too *much* information. The pictures in
my
>> mind are already bad enough.
>>
>> Excuse me...(sounds of intensely unpleasant
>> regurgitation...)...sorry...
>
>Oh, come one, aren't you the least bit curious????
No! You're scaring me now!
Truly, I'm more concerned for the poor pig's safety. Good lord,
man, the PETA people would have a field day with this...not to
mention the makers of KY Jelly...I really think we should just send
Gertie over to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality, and get it
over with.
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wgert
Through e-mail.
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
>In article <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>[irrelevant newsgroups snipped]
>>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:
>>
>>www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy holding
>>the sign, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap glasses.
Martin Hunt
What, exactly, was the point of quoting this post and adding
"through email" to the top of it?
And would you please not bother emailing me? I can read all your
posts on ars just fine, thanks; I have a great feed, and I don't
need emailed copies.
Now, over the alleged photos of Tilman Hausherr:
How do you know you haven't been trolled by the arscc?
What is the source of your information?
Is it reliable?
Do you trust your source of information?
I am certain you will answer these questions at your first
opportunity. After all, it is Scientology policy to do so:
1. "But on post or off, we only fail when we do not help. The "public"
only objects to us when we fail to help or when we fail to answer their
questions. So we have two stable data on which we operate whether we're
on post or not: HELP PEOPLE! ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS EXACTLY! When
you don't you let everybody down." - HCOPL 2 Nov 1970, The Theory of
Scientology Organizations.
2. "16. Answer people's questions. Understand the question, answer it,
make friends." - HCOPL 25 April 1963, Duties of a Staff Member.
3. "A fourth cause [of creating ARC breaks] is failing to answer a
person's questions in letters." - HCOPL 28 April 1973, Good Service.
4. "People's Questions: A congress M U S T An organization M U S T
*answer* people's questions. This is the primary public complaint-that
Scientologists in the organization or out won't answer directly questions
asked about this or that. Understand it, answer it, make friends."
- HCOB 18 June 1957, People's Questions.
5. "In answering letters, answer their *questions*. Give them the
information they are seeking. Use the gradient scale method. DO NOT
FAIL TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. If you don't know the answers, find
out." - HCOPL 4 January 1966, Scientology Organizations Communications
System: Despatches.
Do not fail to answer my questions, wgert. I'm sorry, but "through
email" is just far too ambiguous to answer these very specific
questions, ie, "Do you trust your source of information?", "Through
email." Bizarre, almost surrealistic, but *not* an answer. TR3
until you do.
[p/m]
J.M. Ivler
In alt.religion.scientology wgert <wg...@loop.com> wrote:
> ars is not about your "beliefs" Newman. At the time you posted your
> comment saying "Not any more" it was still up. Check it out, then
> report back what you found.
> wgert
Yo! Dipshit. I stopped paying for the site on April 1, 1998. It is only up
because the ISP hasn't taken it off line yet. The site was officially
closed (from my point of view) as of 19980401:0001 as that was the minute
that I stopped paying for it.
wgert
I am open for any other suggested ng's to which to post information
about replicant Tilman.
"Rebecca Hartong" <har...@erols.com> wrote:
>wgert wrote in message <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>...
>>Photos of Tilman Hausherr:.....
>Oh yeah? Hmmm... looking good, Tilman!
snip
wgert
That was *not* Tilman - that was Ottmann.
Garry Scarff <sca...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Rebecca Hartong wrote:
>>
>> wgert wrote in message <6gj1eq$i77$1...@usenet52.supernews.com>...
>>
>> >Photos of Tilman Hausherr:.....
>>
>> Oh yeah? Hmmm... looking good, Tilman!
wgert
Try this:
Perhaps someone from Berlin e-mailed me the confirmation that this
portrays Tilman.
http://www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy
holding the sign, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap
glasses.
mar...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:
wgert
Martin Hunt
>Try this:
>
>Perhaps someone from Berlin e-mailed me the confirmation that this
>portrays Tilman.
>
>http://www.adbroker.net/~jmi/disk4/Mvc-016f.jpg : Tilman is the guy
>holding the sign, black Tshirt, bluejeans, shoulderbag, wears cheap
>glasses.
We're getting somewhere. Yuor comm-lag is still in the pathological
range, but you seem to have *almost* answered a question; I'll give
you an A for effort, but a D for duplication.
The questions were:
You seem quite certain; how do you know that this is Tilman?
How do you know you haven't been trolled by the arscc?
What is the source of your information? Is it reliable? Do you
trust it?
You came close to answering one of them the source of the
information, but you haven't said if it is reliable or if you
trust it yet.
Remember what L. Ron Hubbard said:
"16. Answer people's questions. Understand the question, answer it,
make friends." - HCOPL 25 April 1963, Duties of a Staff Member.
I'm not certain you've duplicated the questions yet, but thanks
for trying. It's the closest I've ever seen an OSA operative on
ars come to answering a question, so I have to congratulate you
on that. I remain unconvinced that the photo is Tilman, as you
won't even state, for the record, how much trust you place in
your own (still anonymous) source. It's far from a "confirmation".
Anyway, if the source is from Berlin, wouldn't that make them
an evil, psychobabbling German Nazi? You, of all people, should
*know* not to trusts them krauts.
Tilman Hausherr
>That was *not* Tilman - that was Ottmann.
Are you sure? "Tilman" and "Ottmann" sounds similar. Maybe we are
actually just the same person, but claim to be two different ones to get
double payment.
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos
Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.
Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html
Annoy scientology by buying books: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html
rgonnet
Tilman Hausherr wrote:
>
> In <6h0uc2$5jp$1...@usenet11.supernews.com>, wg...@loop.com (wgert) wrote:
>
> >That was *not* Tilman - that was Ottmann.
>
> Are you sure? "Tilman" and "Ottmann" sounds similar. Maybe we are
> actually just the same person, but claim to be two different ones to get
> double payment.
Rather to be three, it's better : try it!
Just laughing about that.
Roger
Also some good news: scienos seems to be hundred a one: they
declare 10 millions (why not billions or trillions, with
alll their BTs, ) so, why not call them hundreds... of goons
or poor souls...
Roger