San Diego Raid, EPIC WIN yarrr!
barb
battened down,
and I picked up a stalker. I wouldn't notice a bright green vehicle
behind me, nar.
Swung by our meeting place, honked horn, cheers. Turned up 3rd, green
car still on me tail.
Turned into a parking lot, tight U turn, wound up behind the green car
wench. Waited until
she went through the intersection, then did a quick turn back down the
hill to my seekrit
motorcycle parkng place. Daftpunk anon reported being followed by the
same vehicle.
Heard later another anon got followed by the same car. Aye, weird green
car later parked right
inside the org's parking lot! Hehehehe.
Met anonymous, many in epic pirate gear or slick suits and masks. Had a
bit of police presence,
but for the most part they were cool, just asking that we not get too
enthusiastic in our enturbulation. Barricades were up at the org, but a
gust of wind (or our mighty anon powerzz)
made one collapse. There was a scuttle of clams to fix that. I'm not
sure, but after a chat with
the polis, our leader Paul Fetch directed us down to Broadway, our usual
fliering turf. And we did that thing, giving away hundreds of fliers,
fielding honks and waves, talking to folks.
We didn't have the numbers, but we had the mojo. A few of us were in
full pirate gear. God,
we're good lookin! So we got caek in the form of cup. We had to get moar
fliers printed.
Our plan was originally to visit org, distribute fliers downtown, then
wind up back at the org
for a final hurrah.
We were gathered for a group photo towards the end. There we were, all
posing and fucking
hot as hell, and a guy gave our photographer a flier. It was about
anonymous. It was all lies.
The cult was feet on the street, handing out "FAQ Anonymous." OMFG. A
swarm of anon
went down the street and found the perpetrator, a pore little ol' lady
from the org. She was
little. She was old. She had a big ass stack of fliers that she
probably didn't get to distribute,
cuz we were on her like white on rice, and she did a beeline back to the
mothership.
A guy mooned her and flipped her off simultaneously on the corner of
Broadway and 4th.
I'm sorry, it was a hairy, unattractive pink booty, but we laughed. A
few anons stuck with her,
following her to the org, and a bunch of us cleaned up our detritus and
did a parade walk around downtown.
That was epic amusement! I talked to a guy from France, and a dude from
Switzerland who
knew about the cult and exhibited some deserved pride in the way their
governments handle it.
Two cop cars were parked outside the org, so we positioned ourselves
silently across the street. Saw the woman who had been handing out the
lying ass "what is anonymous" faq whining to the police. Hey, we backed
off when that poor little critter was scuttling back to the org with us on
her tail. We are polite, and we clean up our mess.
I'd parked in a commercial garage, and when I was leaving, their
computer system went down.
The arm wouldn't lift. The lady couldn't compute my tally. So, she let
me go free, to drive around the arm, and I went to a meeting of my
motorcycle club.
And guess what. I just renewed my registration, and the sticker is gone.
At the "kicking the tires" part of our meeting, a guy said, "Hey Barb,
you'd better renew that." And I just put the sticker on last week. Go
figure, eh?
--
Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
It's Poodlin' Time!
“I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate.”
--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC
t_shuffle
"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:qa%4k.590$i55...@newsfe22.lga
"FAQ Anonymous."
That's what Mikey, DSA Sac was handing out. Epic Fail.
John Dorsay
Scans or it didn't happen :P
John
Patty Pieniadz
Sounds like a great day of entheta! I want to see pix!
P
Alexia Death
that he saw nobody...
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
"John Dorsay" <restim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g325n2$rvs$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
Funny, thousands of Anons and critics worldwide protest the Scientology
CULT, with the CULT being able to send out only the oldest dupes they could
wrangle. Somehow you want more proof than when the CULT announces something
without documentation. Yawn!
barb
Up soon, I'm sure. After the rum is gone. ;)
barb
> Barb, how many of you were there? There was a guy baaaaawing on IRC
> that he saw nobody...
Probably because he was online and we were downtown.
There were around 30 of us.
Alexia Death
Figured as much.
Monica Pignotti
> The cult was feet on the street, handing out "FAQ Anonymous." OMFG. A
> swarm of anon
> went down the street and found the perpetrator, a pore little ol' lady
> from the org. She was
> little. She was old. She had a big ass stack of fliers that she
> probably didn't get to distribute,
> cuz we were on her like white on rice, and she did a beeline back to the
> mothership.
>
> A guy mooned her and flipped her off simultaneously on the corner of
> Broadway and 4th.
> I'm sorry, it was a hairy, unattractive pink booty, but we laughed. A
> few anons stuck with her,
> following her to the org, and a bunch of us cleaned up our detritus and
> did a parade walk around downtown.
>
> That was epic amusement! I talked to a guy from France, and a dude from
> Switzerland who
> knew about the cult and exhibited some deserved pride in the way their
> governments handle it.
>
So you call dressing up in pirates costumes and ganging up on a little
old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
"epic win"? Are you serious? Do you really think this is an effective
tactic that will bring down the CofS? Or is it just making all
concerned look like fools? I have no idea what the CofS stats are but
it sounds like yours are crashing if number of people coming to the
pickets is any indication. Although I have no doubt I'll get more
flames for saying this, I really don't think you're seeing this the
way an outsider would.
FTSOH
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID:
<cc320b4a-1c43-40f5...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
And the Organization Header: http://groups.google.com.
The famous author: Monica Pignotti <pign...@worldnet.att.net>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: San Diego Raid, EPIC WIN yarrr!:
May I indicate that it finally seems as if your needle is floating.
You may now write a success story.
Thank you
SAZ
John Dorsay
<snip>
> Up soon, I'm sure. After the rum is gone. ;)
Yo ho ho :)
barb
No, you stupid fuck, I'm calling it a win because we had to go to Kinkos
to replenish our flier supply because we handed out so many of them.
I'm calling it a win because a lot of people on the street saw us and
said, "Scientology! Right on, fight them they suck."
Funny, the things you focus on to make yourself right.
barb
WHY IS THE RUM GONE????
Zinj
says...
<snip>
Didja teach the newbs the 'We're Here; We're Clear! We Mock Up Our
Reactive Minds!' chant?
It's traditional for SD :)
Zinj
--
Scientology may be the first 'religion' best comprehended by forensic
accountants.
Zinj
@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, pign...@worldnet.att.net says...
<snip>
> So you call dressing up in pirates costumes and ganging up on a little
> old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
> "epic win"? Are you serious? Do you really think this is an effective
> tactic that will bring down the CofS? Or is it just making all
> concerned look like fools? I have no idea what the CofS stats are but
> it sounds like yours are crashing if number of people coming to the
> pickets is any indication. Although I have no doubt I'll get more
> flames for saying this, I really don't think you're seeing this the
> way an outsider would.
Oh, bugger off Monica
At best, you're tiresome
Monica Pignotti
detract from what you and the mob did to that little old lady and then
had the stupidity to brag about.
John Dorsay
Last week I had psychokiller Koos announcing to dozens of newsgroups
that I was a past-life potential murderer, the a few days later
Durks included me on his shiny new kook-list. Now I have Kneejerk
Norle posting one of his classic clueless non-sequiturs in what
might be an attempt to respond to one of my posts.
It's not like I've been posting much lately in the first place, but
for some reason I have my very own kook squad trailing behind me
these days. I wonder why I'm so fortunate.
Fredric L. Rice
>Monica Pignotti wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 10:31 pm, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
LOL. If people would ignore that poor woman, she would go away. Again.
---
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71238
Scientology smacked down for trying to stop free speech
Jens Tingleff
Hash: SHA1
Monica Pignotti wrote:
> On Jun 14, 10:31 pm, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> The cult was feet on the street, handing out "FAQ Anonymous." OMFG. A
>> swarm of anon
>> went down the street and found the perpetrator, a pore little ol' lady
>> from the org. She was
>> little. She was old. She had a big ass stack of fliers that she
>> probably didn't get to distribute,
>> cuz we were on her like white on rice, and she did a beeline back to the
>> mothership.
>>
>> A guy mooned her and flipped her off simultaneously on the corner of
>> Broadway and 4th.
>> I'm sorry, it was a hairy, unattractive pink booty, but we laughed. A
>> few anons stuck with her,
>> following her to the org, and a bunch of us cleaned up our detritus and
>> did a parade walk around downtown.
>>
>> That was epic amusement! I talked to a guy from France, and a dude from
>> Switzerland who
>> knew about the cult and exhibited some deserved pride in the way their
>> governments handle it.
>>
> So you call dressing up in pirates costumes and ganging up on a little
> old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
> "epic win"? Are you serious?
Oooh, that sounds really serious!
Let's look at the pics posted by the 'orrible, 'ORRIBLE, anonymous, shall
we?
"little old lady" (you've been trolled, Monica, but there you have it):
http://flickr.com/photos/26488727@N06/2580021686/in/set-72157605616104502/
First post on:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/127-usa-west-coast/san-diego-ca-18407/
An OT8. At cause over Matter Energy Space and Time. Or not, as the case may
be.
Sounds 'orrible, just 'orrible
;-) ;-) ;-)
> Do you really think this is an effective
> tactic that will bring down the CofS?
And you, Monica, obviously think that this was all they did.
> Or is it just making all
> concerned look like fools? I have no idea what the CofS stats are but
> it sounds like yours are crashing
Oooh, that sounds serious. Please do not let anything or anyone slow down
your search for someone who cares.
> if number of people coming to the
> pickets is any indication. Although I have no doubt I'll get more
> flames for saying this,
Well, what do you expect from group that you're just too good for? Just
because people who are right are sometimes flamed and you are sometimes
flamed, that doesn't make you right, you know.
> I really don't think you're seeing this the
> way an outsider would.
Thanks for sharing
;-) ;-) ;-)
Best Regards
Jens
- --
Key ID 0x09723C12, jens...@tingleff.org
Analogue filtering / 5GHz RLAN / Mandriva Linux / odds and ends
http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/ +44 1223 829 985
"Stop calling it aggression, ooh we hate that expression" 'Send the
marines'
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Alexia Death
http://flickr.com/photos/26488727@N06/2580021494/in/set-72157605616104502/
Epic group photo is epic:D
RolandRB
> "Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:g325n2$rvs$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> t_shuffle wrote:
> >>> "barb" <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shut it, you slag, or I'll stick a pin in you!
Eldon
If she's on Scientology staff, she will probably be a little old bag
lady begging on the street corner the minute she can't "produce" for
the org.
But yeah, I suppose she has the "right" not to be reminded that she's
a brainwashed robot. Right?
If you had stayed in the Sea Arrrgh, Monica, would you be running the
"universal human rights" campaign right now? Sounds about your speed.
out...@live.co.uk
Thanks for the report. There was a Scientologist handing out similar
anti-Anonymous flyers at our protest. Although she handed most of the
flyers to us rather than the public (probably saw it as a quicker way
to get rid of the flyers and get her stats up). The flyer basically
just paraphrased the 2007 Fox11 report and the more sinister sounding
stuff from the satirical Encyclopedia Dramatica article on Anon.
barb
We escorted her back to the org, is all. As an OT8, she could have fried
us with her Awesome Powerzzz at any time. Or held her ground and
continued to hand out false information about us.
Scuttling back to the Mother Ship was her choice.
barb
It was someone in a passing car who mooned her, not us. Try to keep up,
will you?
barb
Good lookin bunch of pirates and reprobates, sez I!
barb
Monica, do you have reading comprehension challenges, or are you
suffering from such tunnel vision you failed to notice I included
*everything* in this report? You may have zoomed in on the incident with
the OT8 crone, but I did not give it any more attention than the rest of
my KR. And what exactly did we "do" to that woman, other than give her a
round of justly deserved derision?
Let me reiterate: YOU'RE the one focusing on one incident in a whole day
of enturbulation! That you're accusing me of the same thing is laughable.
Just accept your fail and crawl back under your rock. You're just making
yourself look silly.
Ted Mayett
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Right back at you, Barb. Funny the things you focus on in order to
>detract from what you and the mob did to that little old lady and then
>had the stupidity to brag about.
This is not new behavior though. Back when Minton and Prince were
picketing, this one picket they are both of them drunk in front of the
org doing a picket. (please excuse the language). A scieno says
something like, "been drinking a little there Jesse?" Jesse Prince
responds to the guy, "I want my dick nice and hard so I can shove it
up your ass." And they webbed this video on XenuTV, and it meant
nothing to them, they were smug in their accomplishments of stopping
the evil criminal cult of scientology.
And I wondered how they could be so dense as to not edit that part of
the video, to remove that part. How they could not realize how they
looked to the world at large. But it was a happy cult here then, just
like it is now.
And somebody drops their pants and waves their ass around on a public
street, and they admit doing this! They are so far gone they don't
even know the impression they are making.
But ummm, most importantly is this. Read the Policy Letters that come
through this NG. Any negative behavior is NOT done by Anons. Read
the policy letters.
--
Ted Mayett
Critical information regarding Scientology:
http://www.solitarytrees.net
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
Um, what's with the street theater and the apple juice?
Fredric L. Rice
>We escorted her back to the org, is all. As an OT8, she could have fried
>us with her Awesome Powerzzz at any time. Or held her ground and
>continued to hand out false information about us.
Besides, with her eyes tightly shut and her brain tightly shut, she
might have gotten lost.
barb
Are you impaired? WE didn't moon the woman, a guy in a passing car did!
Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough. We were on the sidewalk. A car
went by with a big old hairy ass sticking out the side window.
We just assumed it was for her. Everybody loves anonymous!
Monica Pignotti
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:44:22 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
>
> >Right back at you, Barb. Funny the things you focus on in order to
> >detract from what you and the mob did to that little old lady and then
> >had the stupidity to brag about.
>
> This is not new behavior though. Back when Minton and Prince were
> picketing, this one picket they are both of them drunk in front of the
> org doing a picket. (please excuse the language).
That's true. Before, I was referring to the picketers before Minton
came on the scene. Minton was the beginning of some very extreme
aggressive behavior. He and his followers were also upset with me for
criticizing them.
>A scieno says
> something like, "been drinking a little there Jesse?" Jesse Prince
> responds to the guy, "I want my dick nice and hard so I can shove it
> up your ass." And they webbed this video on XenuTV, and it meant
> nothing to them, they were smug in their accomplishments of stopping
> the evil criminal cult of scientology.
Yeah, I heard it was pretty bad.
>
> And I wondered how they could be so dense as to not edit that part of
> the video, to remove that part. How they could not realize how they
> looked to the world at large. But it was a happy cult here then, just
> like it is now.
Right -- their behavior was a big win for Scientology, as is the
behavior of certain Anons who moon little old lady Scientologists who
are just trying to exercise their rights to free speech.
> And somebody drops their pants and waves their ass around on a public
> street, and they admit doing this! They are so far gone they don't
> even know the impression they are making.
>
Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
> But ummm, most importantly is this. Read the Policy Letters that come
> through this NG. Any negative behavior is NOT done by Anons. Read
> the policy letters.
I've read them. Maybe I need some word clearing on them by the ARSCC
cramming officer.
Monica Pignotti
No, you didn't say that in your original posting. Now you're changing
your story and trying to backpeddal. Even without the guy mooning,
though, you were describe Anon as being all over the old lady like
"white on rice".
> We just assumed it was for her. Everybody loves anonymous!
Saying "everybody loves anonymous!" doesn't make it so. The only thing
that shows is that you, Barb, have become a true believer who cannot
stand anyone's criticism.
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
> Professor Emeritus, UCSC- Hide quoted text -
Monica Pignotti
You're joining right in participating in the dehumanization of cult
members. I would have expected these rationalizations from people who
are very new to all this and ignorant. I am very disappointed to see
them from you. You and I never met, but you are obviously not the
person I had thougt you were. You really should know better but
obviously I have misjudged you. Don't you know that ganging up on a
cult member in that way only reinforces their programming that the
outside world is a very bad place? If this little old lady had been
having doubts and thinking of leaving, the kind of hateful treatment
she got would not motivate her to leave -- it only reinforces the
phobia indoctrination. I can't believe that I have to explain this to
you, Eldon. At one time you would have known better. What has happened
to you? Wake up, Eldon.
Monica Pignotti
You escorted her? It sounds more like harrassment and intimidation to
me, but I see you're furiously backpedalling on your initial semi-
coherently written account. What happened to the "white on rice" and
being "all over her"? Now that you got challenged, you're completely
changing your story. Too late. You said what you said so its very
difficult to take your backpedalling seriously.
>
> Scuttling back to the Mother Ship was her choice.
Yeah, right. Some choice. What would any small frail elderly person do
when strong young adults surrounded them and get all over them like
"white on rice"? It sounds to me like you drove her deeper into the
"mother ship". After witnessing that hateful behavior, I'm sure she
took that as evidence that the outside world is a very bad, unfriendly
place. You and your gang reinforced her cult programming and now
you're rationalizing it. No doubt, I'll be attacked for calling you
out on it but I'll see it for what it is and not take it personally.
Monica
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
l.l.lipshitz
<9Iu5k.468$rH1...@newsfe20.lga>:
| Monica Pignotti wrote:
[...]
| > So you call dressing up in pirates costumes and ganging up on a little
| > old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
| > "epic win"? Are you serious?
monica, lighten up. 'street theater' (like the
pirate costumes in this case) is often employed with
great effect to attract attention to one's cause.
a link to the 'little old lady's' photo was provided
in another post. take a look. she's not old like 80,
she's more like 50, ie, i'd guess barb was implying
that scn is not attracting new members by emphasizing
'old'.
i can understand the intimidating aspect of several
anons 'sticking with her' but assuming barb is no
more clear about this than she is about the mooning
incident, it's hard to tell what really happened.
maybe the photos show.
|Do you really think this is an effective
| > tactic that will bring down the CofS?
i would speculate that it has some effect on the
general public's perception of scn and on scn's
recruiting efforts.
|Or is it just making all
| > concerned look like fools? I have no idea what the CofS stats are but
| > it sounds like yours are crashing if number of people coming to the
| > pickets is any indication. Although I have no doubt I'll get more
| > flames for saying this, I really don't think you're seeing this the
| > way an outsider would.
|
| It was someone in a passing car who mooned her, not us. Try to keep up,
| will you?
barb, please note that you said 'A guy mooned her
and flipped her off simultaneously on the corner of
Broadway and 4th.' there is no mention of a passing
car. i thought, like monica, it was an anon that
mooned her. try to be clear, will you?
--
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
those are my principles and if you don't
like them...well, i have others. -gm
barb
Right. Had to clarify that later. You'll notice in the video taken by
one of the guys who escorted her back to the org, they kept a decent
distance away from her person.
How unlike the Scientologists in other videos who impinge, jostle, loom,
impose on people's personal space, sometimes nose-to-nose, screeching in
people's faces. We were downright polite in comparison.
An OT8 who can't take a little J&D isn't much of an OT in my book...
Eldon
Monica, how can a single person gang up on a cult member? At one time,
I wouldn't have had to word clear for you the fact that "gang" is a
plural noun by definition. The gerund usage would imply several
people, certainly more than two.
As Barb later clarified, the person who mooned her and flashed a
middle finnger was in a passing car, and not part of the
demonstration. But even if he had been in the Anon crowd, it was no
more than a jocular, college kid insult. As far as I can see, the
Anons pretty much respect social limits and rein in anyone who
doesn't.
Compare this incident to the various nastiness Scientologists
habitually mete out to anyone who dares to cross them.
Jeezus. The Anons are the best and the brightest of the forthcoming
generation, and they are kick-boxing Scientology's sleazy ass, Monica.
Why do you attack them?
Perhaps because you missed out on having kids and never will at this
juncture?
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>Are you impaired? WE didn't moon the woman, a guy in a passing car did!
>Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough. We were on the sidewalk. A car
>went by with a big old hairy ass sticking out the side window.
>
>We just assumed it was for her. Everybody loves anonymous!
oops, thought it was the picketers doing the mooning. Apologies.
Ted Mayett
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
>OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
>their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
>right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
>
Well, we were confused, it was a passing car that was so vulgar.
obscene dog
wrote:
>Ted Mayett wrote:
>> And somebody drops their pants and waves their ass around on a public
>> street, and they admit doing this! They are so far gone they don't
>> even know the impression they are making.
>
>Are you impaired? WE didn't moon the woman, a guy in a passing car did!
>Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough. We were on the sidewalk. A car
>went by with a big old hairy ass sticking out the side window.
It wasn't clear in your first post about it but you cleared the M/U in
your second post.
>We just assumed it was for her. Everybody loves anonymous!
They're only human :-)
--
Don't get in front of me.
What the... Oh, shi-
barb
Accepted, and apologies for not making that initially clear in my report.
I'll do a better job on the Flag World Tour report...oops! Should I have
said that? <snicker>
barb
And she'd rather latch on, pitch-bull like, to the idea of anonymous
mooning a flabby, hairy ass at the OT lady than acknowledge it was
merely my crappy, exhausted account of the day. Or so it seems.
obscene dog
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
><pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
>>OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
>>their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
>>right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
>>
>
>Well, we were confused, it was a passing car that was so vulgar.
Yes.
You and Monica were "confused".
That speaks volumes.
barb
Now, now...to be fair, my report wasn't Clear on a couple of points.
I usually write better reports, but I was pretty exhausted. Us internet
geeks aren't used to being outside on our feets for hours, doncha know.
Jonnie Tyler
news:9e5e0b77-11c3-4af1...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> As Barb later clarified, the person who mooned her and flashed a
> middle finnger was in a passing car, and not part of the
> demonstration.
This seems to imply that it was just a passer-by who did this and not part
of anonymous. Why would a passer-by in car moon at an old lady surrounded by
anonymous? How would they know that this old lady deserved to be mooned?
barb
There's always the possibility that he was mooning the gang of people in
pirate gear, and suits/GF masks.
But we'd rather he was mooning the OT.
Monica Pignotti
It wasn't a single person. There were a group of Anonymous involved.
>At one time,
> I wouldn't have had to word clear for you the fact that "gang" is a
> plural noun by definition. The gerund usage would imply several
> people, certainly more than two.
>
> As Barb later clarified, the person who mooned her and flashed a
> middle finnger was in a passing car, and not part of the
> demonstration.
But there was still a group of people who were on the person like
"white on rice". It was not a "single person".
>But even if he had been in the Anon crowd, it was no
> more than a jocular, college kid insult. As far as I can see, the
> Anons pretty much respect social limits and rein in anyone who
> doesn't.
That's a rationalization of dehumanizing behavior.,
> Compare this incident to the various nastiness Scientologists
> habitually mete out to anyone who dares to cross them.
Another rationalization. Two wrongs don't make a right.
> Jeezus. The Anons are the best and the brightest of the forthcoming
> generation, and they are kick-boxing Scientology's sleazy ass, Monica.
If that's true, critics of Scientology are in big trouble.
> Why do you attack them?
I have explained my criticisms, in depth. Don't -pretend like I
haven't.
> Perhaps because you missed out on having kids and never will at this
> juncture?
You don't know me. You don't know if I have kids or not. Hint: I would
not be discussing any children I may have on a newsgroup such as this
one. In any case you are a slimeball for making such a remark that has
nothing at all to do with the topic at hand.
>
> > If this little old lady had been
> > having doubts and thinking of leaving, the kind of hateful treatment
> > she got would not motivate her to leave -- it only reinforces the
> > phobia indoctrination. I can't believe that I have to explain this to
> > you, Eldon. At one time you would have known better. What has happened
> > to you? Wake up, Eldon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Monica Pignotti
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:24:18 -0700, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in
> <9Iu5k.468$rH1....@newsfe20.lga>:
> | Monica Pignotti wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> | > So you call dressing up in pirates costumes and ganging up on a little
> | > old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
> | > "epic win"? Are you serious?
>
> monica, lighten up. 'street theater' (like the
> pirate costumes in this case) is often employed with
> great effect to attract attention to one's cause.
Duh, I lived in NYC for 21 years. I know what street theater is. I
wasn't objecting to streat theater. Straw man. I was objecting to the
inhumane treatment of an old woman and questioning whether street
theater was really going to make any kind of difference as far as
Scientology goes. Creating a spectacle isn't the same thing as
actually making an impact on Scientology itself.
> a link to the 'little old lady's' photo was provided
> in another post. take a look. she's not old like 80,
> she's more like 50, ie, i'd guess barb was implying
> that scn is not attracting new members by emphasizing
> 'old'.
More rationalization. It's not okay to treat a human being that way,
period.
> i can understand the intimidating aspect of several
> anons 'sticking with her' but assuming barb is no
> more clear about this than she is about the mooning
> incident, it's hard to tell what really happened.
> maybe the photos show.
They were still all over her like "white on rice".
> |Do you really think this is an effective
> | > tactic that will bring down the CofS?
>
> i would speculate that it has some effect on the
> general public's perception of scn and on scn's
> recruiting efforts.
I would speculate that it has an impact on the public's negative
perception of Scientology critics or at the very least, lead the
public to write off both sides as completely nuts.
Monica Pignotti
> been allowed to form their own opinion about things. All they would
> hear should have been hours and hours of nagging, nagging and nagging,
> until they finally would have snapped and went nuts.- Hide quoted text -
You're making assumptions about my status as a mom when you really
don't know a thing about my personal life. Suffice it to say that many
people who have kids and are into criticising cults, don't advertise
the fact on the web.
AnonymousNasty
OH GROW SOME BALLS, WENDY
WINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monica Pignotti
>
> - Show quoted text -
I will not be silenced by this slimeball's DA job of attempted
character assassination. Rest assured.
Monica Pignotti
wrote:
> "Eldon" <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote in message
Good question, Jonnie.
Monica Pignotti
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:07 -0400, Ted Mayett
>
> >On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
> ><pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >>Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
> >>OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
> >>their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
> >>right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
>
> >Well, we were confused, it was a passing car that was so vulgar.
>
> Yes.
>
> You and Monica were "confused".
>
> That speaks volumes.
No, I wasn't confused. I read what I read. Barb by her own admission
wasn't clear and said nothing about a car in her first posting. The
mooning was ony part of it, though.
Jonnie Tyler
news:WXX5k.701$oY2...@newsfe21.lga...
> Jonnie Tyler wrote:
>> "Eldon" <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:9e5e0b77-11c3-4af1...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> As Barb later clarified, the person who mooned her and flashed a
>>> middle finnger was in a passing car, and not part of the
>>> demonstration.
>>
>> This seems to imply that it was just a passer-by who did this and not
>> part of anonymous. Why would a passer-by in car moon at an old lady
>> surrounded by anonymous? How would they know that this old lady deserved
>> to be mooned?
>
> There's always the possibility that he was mooning the gang of people in
> pirate gear, and suits/GF masks.
> But we'd rather he was mooning the OT.
Is this a very common incident, passer-by mooning anonymous? I never heard
of that before.
barb
We kept a comfortable distance away from her, yet you still keep
yammering away. Look at the bullbaiting videos where scilons got right
up in people's noses. We. Did not do that.
We gave her space, yet you seem to thing we did something horrible to
her. Never mind she was handing out false information and all that.
We didn't give her cake. Is that our crime?
Jonnie Tyler
news:ccd8a75d-d884-4d95...@n19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Duh, I lived in NYC for 21 years. I know what street theater is. I
wasn't objecting to streat theater. Straw man. I was objecting to the
inhumane treatment of an old woman and questioning whether street
theater was really going to make any kind of difference as far as
Scientology goes. Creating a spectacle isn't the same thing as
actually making an impact on Scientology itself.
==========
It's part of the amusement factor (street theater, not harassing old
ladies). People will protest Scientology at the same time as they are having
fun. Makes it an additional motivation to attend protests. All made in the
spirit of lulz.
Monica Pignotti
I "seem to think" that because of what you wrote. I looked at the
pictures and they look very different from what you described. If the
woman you were writing about was the woman in the white suit on the
cell phone, the woman looked like she was in her 40s or at most her
50s and she seemed to me to be in quite good shape -- far from being
really old as you described her and she wasn't carrying a big stack of
flyers. Sounds to me like you wrote a piece of fiction here, unless
that was not the footage you were describing. I'll know from now on
not to assume that anything you write necessarily bears any
resemblance to the truth.
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
> Professor Emeritus, UCSC- Hide quoted text -
Monica Pignotti
wrote:
> "Monica Pignotti" <pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
I get that. What I objected to was her description of how they were
treating the "little old" lady who turns out to be very far from old,
if those pictures are any indication. I'll know from now on not to
believe what she writes.
Monica Pignotti
>
your account to someone else? Why the need to smear and DA me in such
a highly personal way (even though you don't know me and are making
some pretty fantastic assertions)? Am I really that much of a threat?
If you really are the same Eldon I had such good dialogue with in the
past, you sure did fool me if this is the kind of behavior you're
capable of. Or have you just reverted back to your cult personality?
barb
Nope, I've never seen such a thing, big wobbly pink ass cheeks all hairy
and such.
I was offended! It was not Epic Ass, I tell you what.
barb
You're pulling it in. And you won't listen.
Monica Pignotti
wrote:
> "barb" <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> news:WXX5k.701$oY2...@newsfe21.lga...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jonnie Tyler wrote:
> >>news:9e5e0b77-11c3-4af1...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> As Barb later clarified, the person who mooned her and flashed a
> >>> middle finnger was in a passing car, and not part of the
> >>> demonstration.
>
> >> This seems to imply that it was just a passer-by who did this and not
> >> part of anonymous. Why would a passer-by in car moon at an old lady
> >> surrounded by anonymous? How would they know that this old lady deserved
> >> to be mooned?
>
> > There's always the possibility that he was mooning the gang of people in
> > pirate gear, and suits/GF masks.
> > But we'd rather he was mooning the OT.
>
> Is this a very common incident, passer-by mooning anonymous? I never heard
> of that before.
Its a common incident in general at this type of spectacle, not
necessarily having to do with Anonymous but similar types of protests
or even after-football game parties where people are drunk.
Monica Pignotti
> Jeezus. The Anons are the best and the brightest of the forthcoming
> generation, and they are kick-boxing Scientology's sleazy ass, Monica.
> Why do you attack them?
>
> Perhaps because you missed out on having kids and never will at this
> juncture?
Eldon Braun is engaging in sexist character assassination of me
because I dared to criticize Anonymous and call for some common
decency in treating human beings who are in cults. First, he attempts
to make completely unwarranted assumptions about my mental health.
Now, he is making a sexist attack on me as a woman. What will he and
others do next? This is no different from cult DA, Eldon, and I am
going to expose this behavior, far and wide. I am not alone in being
attacked, though, for calling into question the practices of fringe
groups. It is a typical tactic of people in fanatical movements, as at
least some of the anti-cult movement has become, to engage in sleazy
vicious character assassination of anyone who criticizes. I have
academic colleagues who have undergone similar character assassination
for daring to challenge a fringe group. Eldon Braun apparently assumes
that all women naturally just want to give birth to children and if
they don't, he imposes sexist stereotypes that women who do not have
children "missed out", especially if the woman in question dares to
criticize any of his cherished notions. Here he is making a sexist
assumption about a woman he has never even met and really doesn't even
know if it is true, but regardless of whether I have children or not,
he is obviously back in the 1950s in his sexist mindset. Eldon also
behaves like a totalitarian in attempting to brand anyone who
disagrees with those in "power" (in this case in power on ARS, which
really isn't saying much of anything) as mentally ill. Thankfully for
me and unfortunately for Eldon, we are not living in a totalitarian
dictatorship where people of Eldon's mentality are in charge, branding
dissidents as mentally ill. If you think you are going to intimidate
me, think again, Eldon. On the contrary, when I see this kind of
sexist behavior, I have all the more reason to speak up.
Alert
> On Jun 17, 2:29 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Jeezus. The Anons are the best and the brightest of the forthcoming
> > generation, and they are kick-boxing Scientology's sleazy ass,
Oh, they arent just "kick-boxing". Theyre in there with metaphorical
elbows, knees, axe kicks et al and are KICKING THE SHITE out of Cof$.
I believe it's called, fighting the cult of scientology by way of a
metaphorical Mauy Thai
Monica Pignotti
Why are you using Scientology jargon on me? I have been listening very
intently, though. Just because you don't like my evaluations and
criticism doesn't mean I am not listening and just because I am
listening doesn't mean I have to obey and fall into lockstep with your
groupthink.
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
Eldon
Jeezus again! I said "perhaps" as one possibility of many. I do sort
of look on the Anons as kids, because the ones I've met are college
age, and I'm not much younger than that old codger Phil Scott.
How do you interpret my remark as sexist within the context? Don't you
think that males might also feel they missed out by not having
children?
"Oh, no!" screams Monica. "The ONLY people who might regret not having
had children are FEMALE, and you're not supposed to talk about that
anyway. And if you did, I'd call you sexist!"
You walked right into that one, hon. Now why don't you go get a mental
health checkup from a professional -- just in case?
Monica Pignotti
And "perhaps" makes your attack okay? No, it doesn't. It only makes it
slimier and more underhanded.
> How do you interpret my remark as sexist within the context? Don't you
> think that males might also feel they missed out by not having
> children?
Because you are assuming that all women who haven't had children feel
they have "missed out", as if all women want to have biological
children and if they don't they're frustrated. The fact is that you
attacked a woman, not a man. Get real. No one would attack a man in
that way.
> "Oh, no!" screams Monica. "The ONLY people who might regret not having
> had children are FEMALE, and you're not supposed to talk about that
> anyway. And if you did, I'd call you sexist!"
Wrong. You're now trying to be even more dishonest and twist my words.
The fact is that these are the kinds of attacks that get leveled at
women, not men. I challenge you to find any examples of men who were
personally attacked for regretting not having children. It just
doesn't happen. There are, of course, men who do regret having
children but they don't get attacked for it.
> You walked right into that one, hon. Now why don't you go get a mental
> health checkup from a professional -- just in case?
No, you have walked right into cult-like behavior and are continuing
to prove my point with your insinuations about my mental health. What
you need, Eldon, is a "checkup" with a good exit counselor.
Monica Pignotti
Here's yet more evidence of Eldon Braun's attempted DAing of me and
cult-like personal smear tactics. Why don't you consult a cult exit
counselor, Eldon, "just in case"?
Eldon
It isn't an attack to point out a possible source of angst. And how do
you know that no one would make that remark to a man? Oh, you just
KNOW, right? Sure.
>
> > "Oh, no!" screams Monica. "The ONLY people who might regret not having
> > had children are FEMALE, and you're not supposed to talk about that
> > anyway. And if you did, I'd call you sexist!"
>
> Wrong. You're now trying to be even more dishonest and twist my words.
> The fact is that these are the kinds of attacks that get leveled at
> women, not men. I challenge you to find any examples of men who were
> personally attacked for regretting not having children. It just
> doesn't happen. There are, of course, men who do regret having
> children but they don't get attacked for it.
I don't know why you label my remark as an attack. I asked if it was a
source of regret.
You turned it into a sexist issue. I was addressing you as a human
being.
>
> > You walked right into that one, hon. Now why don't you go get a mental
> > health checkup from a professional -- just in case?
>
> No, you have walked right into cult-like behavior and are continuing
> to prove my point with your insinuations about my mental health. What
> you need, Eldon, is a "checkup" with a good exit counselor.
Are you insinuating something about my mental health? ROFL!
Eldon
>
> > - Visa citerad text -
>
> See, that was a level headed reply. One which I'´m sure most people
> can agree with.
Thanks for dangling that yummy-looking carrot in the direction of sane
discourse. ;-)
Monica Pignotti
It was obviously disingenuous on your part. Unlike Skipper who is
right up front in his attacks, you are slimy and underhanded. Your
question is highly inappropriate and a form of attack that is much
more dishonest than directly attacking me.
> You turned it into a sexist issue. I was addressing you as a human
> being.
No, you were not addressing me as a "human being" -- you left any kind
of humanity behind when you joined the group think. The only
difference between you and Skipper is that he lacks your skills at
underhanded attacks and says things straigh up. What you were doing
was engaging in underhanded attacks that are commonly leveled against
women, not men. Then you proceed to attempt to twist what I wrote and
even had the gall to put quotation marks around words I never wrote.
Men of course can regret not having kids but they never get asked
those kinds of questions -- only women get asked things like that, and
the fact that my having children or not has nothing to do with this
thread, reveals that this is a tactic on your part of attempting to
deflect from the topic at hand by making underhanded insinuations
about me.
>
> > > You walked right into that one, hon. Now why don't you go get a mental
> > > health checkup from a professional -- just in case?
>
> > No, you have walked right into cult-like behavior and are continuing
> > to prove my point with your insinuations about my mental health. What
> > you need, Eldon, is a "checkup" with a good exit counselor.
>
> Are you insinuating something about my mental health? ROFL!-
No, unlike you I don't pathologize cultists. Just because someone is
in a cult mindset doesn't mean they are mentally ill. I am not
insinuating -- I am calling you out on your behavior right here with
me, which is very cult-like. Instead of sticking to the content of the
topic, you engage in slimy, underhanded insinuations about me. You are
using all the skills you learned in the cults you were involved in and
I am calling you out on it. I wonder what personal smear you will
bring up next.
Monica Pignotti
Actually, I'll go ahead and predict what personal smear Eldon will
bring up next. He will attempt to diagnose me as "paranoid" because I
recognized and called him out on what is obviously a phony concern. If
Eldon were truly concerned about me as a human being, he would have
written to me back channel, but no, he has made it clear that he wants
to publicly smear me. The phony concern and claims to be addressing me
as a human being is unlikely to convince anyone but the most gullible.
Eldon is putting the tactics he learned in the cults he was involved
in, to good use.
المضيييييوم
> us with her Awesome Powerzzz at any time. Or held her ground and
> continued to hand out false information about us.
>
> Scuttling back to the Mother Ship was her choice.
>
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
> Professor Emeritus, UCSC- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
مشكوووووووووووووووووووووووووووور
يعطيك العافيه
barb
Don't be stupid. Men also have children. They're called fathers and
husbands, or babydaddies. It wasn't a sexist remark at all, rather an
observation of your choice not to reproduce. But men can make the same
Eldon
Jeezus, Monica! Was Skip polite enough to write you back channel to
tell you that you have been sounding... well, a bit disconcerted
lately?
I am not attempting to diagnose you, but saying you might want to get
a diagnosis, just in case. As a fledgling mental health professional,
you surely know that one requirement for becoming a fully-fledged
psychoanalyst is undergoing psychoanalysis yourself. Right? So get on
with it.
> If Eldon were truly concerned about me as a human being, he would have
> written to me back channel, but no, he has made it clear that he wants
> to publicly smear me.
Why do you think that suggestion was a smear? Where is the shame in
having a mental health problem?
> The phony concern and claims to be addressing me
> as a human being is unlikely to convince anyone but the most gullible.
> Eldon is putting the tactics he learned in the cults he was involved
> in, to good use.
Really? Do you think I'm as evil or effective as OSA? I don't. Maybe
Skip will venture an opinion, though I don't know if I would value his
very much, considering he's a Bush cult Republican.
<ducks>
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
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>مشكوووووووووووووووووووووووووووور
> يعطيك العافيه
Speak English, trooper!
--
SP Goodman
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*
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*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967
*
* "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely..."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117
Eldon
Well, thanks fer yer support. The thing is that I sorta consider the
Anons as the next generation, so I sorta feel --- well, fatherly
toward them.
I was way inspired by the response of Epic Nose Guy to that idiot
London policeperson*, quoting a 1984 court document. Shit, I couldn't
have done that at age 15 with so much aplomb.
I was at the Paris CC recently with Nono the clown and a bunch of
Anons who spent a Saturday afternoon enturbulating and handing out
fliers to a lot of people who give thumbs up signs or said "Je suis
d'accord!" ("I agree!"). The anons were great kids. Very polite and
"civile" if you translate that into anglais or get my drift.
I definitely look upon these young people as my ideological "kids" or
successors, and I hope to support them and steer them in the best
direction I can. I sense that the old fart Phil Scott shares my
sentiment.
If Monica took my remark as sexist, I'm sorry. But I really didn't
mean it that way. I have helped to raise a few kids who weren't
biologically mine, but I missed out on the real DNA thing. I sort of
regret it, but not a whole lot. Hell, maybe I can help Monica grow up.
That's an interesting challenge.
<ducks>
* Who incidentally happened to be female, but I shouldn't go into
that, should I?
Skipper
<0bf4e31e-f3e3-49cf...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Eldon <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote:
Well, evil asshole liberal that you are, I have to hand it to you for
busting Monica's bullbait TRs.
You nailed it - she failed to have kids and it pisses her off that kids
in her eyes are kicking ass on the cult like she never could.
I won't even get into the psychology of it, you just slammed down hard
with the hammer on that big old button and the slide flew all the way
to the top of her spinal column and rang that empty bell and set her
off.!
Congratulations.
l.l.lipshitz
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
<ccd8a75d-d884-4d95...@n19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
| On Jun 17, 11:23 am, "l.l.lipshitz" <elk...@seesig.info> wrote:
| > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:24:18 -0700, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote in
| > <9Iu5k.468$rH1....@newsfe20.lga>:
| > | Monica Pignotti wrote:
| >
| > [...]
| >
| > | > old lady so she couldn't pass out her flyers and then mooning her, an
| > | > "epic win"? Are you serious?
| >
| > pirate costumes in this case) is often employed with
| > great effect to attract attention to one's cause.
|
d'oh! i'm an idiot for not knowing where you lived
or what you know.
| wasn't objecting to streat theater. Straw man. I was objecting to the
| inhumane treatment of an old woman and questioning whether street
| theater was really going to make any kind of difference as far as
| Scientology goes. Creating a spectacle isn't the same thing as
| actually making an impact on Scientology itself.
you are assuming that the treatment of the 'old'
woman was 'inhumane' based on nothing but barb's
description, which was written for the audience here.
were you there to witness the event? did you look
at the video or the photos? i haven't, so i can't
say whether the treatment was 'inhumane' or not, and
i suspect you can't either.
creating a spectacle may or may not have an impact.
how would you prove whether it did or didn't?
| > a link to the 'little old lady's' photo was provided
| > in another post. take a look. she's not old like 80,
| > she's more like 50, ie, i'd guess barb was implying
| > that scn is not attracting new members by emphasizing
| > 'old'.
|
| More rationalization. It's not okay to treat a human being that way,
| period.
what way, exactly? i am under the impression that
you were not a witness to the event. am i mistaken?
| > i can understand the intimidating aspect of several
| > anons 'sticking with her' but assuming barb is no
| > more clear about this than she is about the mooning
| > incident, it's hard to tell what really happened.
| > maybe the photos show.
|
| They were still all over her like "white on rice".
what exactly does that mean? did they knock her down
and sit on her? surround her? touch her? shout at
her? was it 87 anons or 3? you have no idea.
| > |Do you really think this is an effective
| > | > tactic that will bring down the CofS?
| >
| > i would speculate that it has some effect on the
| > general public's perception of scn and on scn's
| > recruiting efforts.
|
| I would speculate that it has an impact on the public's negative
| perception of Scientology critics or at the very least, lead the
| public to write off both sides as completely nuts.
i really have no idea whether the impact is
positive or negative. either way --or both-- is
quite possible.
[...]
Beth
I think Monica has a point (though she could have made it *much* more
briefly!). Eldon said, "Why do you attack them? Perhaps because you
missed out on having kids and never will at this juncture?" If I'd
read that cold, without already seeing it had stirred something up, I
would have thought "WTF??" It's a snarky jab from out of left field,
not a sincere inquiry, and it does reflect some sexism: Even though
men have kids, their fertility doesn't decrease and stop the way it
does for women, so no one would try to get in a dig at a guy by saying
he missed his chance and he's never gonna do it. So it is a gender-
based snipe. It's like accusing a woman of being irrational cos she's
having her period or going through menopause. But I think it was
extreme for Monica to call it character assassination. It was a run-of-
the-mill sexist snipe.
Beth
l.l.lipshitz
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
<02539b5e-bbb6-4779...@n19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
| On Jun 17, 6:46 pm, obscene dog <obscene....@xenu.com> wrote:
| > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:07 -0400, Ted Mayett
| >
| > <ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
| > >On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
| > ><pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| >
| > >>Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
| > >>OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
| > >>their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
| > >>right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
| >
| > >Well, we were confused, it was a passing car that was so vulgar.
| >
| > Yes.
| >
| > You and Monica were "confused".
| >
| > That speaks volumes.
|
| No, I wasn't confused. I read what I read. Barb by her own admission
| wasn't clear and said nothing about a car in her first posting. The
| mooning was ony part of it, though.
oh good grief, monica, usenet is not a peer-reviewed
scientific journal!
Monica Pignotti
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
> <02539b5e-bbb6-4779-a035-c6a69b0b6...@n19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
> | On Jun 17, 6:46 pm, obscene dog <obscene....@xenu.com> wrote:
> | > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:07 -0400, Ted Mayett
> | >
> | > <ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> | > >On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Monica Pignotti
> | > ><pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> | >
> | > >>Yes -- I really have to wonder if there are agent provocateurs from
> | > >>OSA mixed up in all this or if Anonymous is just playing right into
> | > >>their hands due to sheer impulsivity. The behavior seems to have gone
> | > >>right off the deep end and some people just aren't seeing it,
> | >
> | > >Well, we were confused, it was a passing car that was so vulgar.
> | >
> | > Yes.
> | >
> | > You and Monica were "confused".
> | >
> | > That speaks volumes.
> |
> | No, I wasn't confused. I read what I read. Barb by her own admission
> | wasn't clear and said nothing about a car in her first posting. The
> | mooning was ony part of it, though.
>
> oh good grief, monica, usenet is not a peer-reviewed
> scientific journal!
I'm only asking for common decency toward people in cults and an
honest description of what occurred, not peer review.
Monica Pignotti
> In article
> <0bf4e31e-f3e3-49cf-81c3-2092351f6...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
First of all, you don't even know if I have kids or not, nor does
Eldon. Second, you really need to get out of the 50s mindset and
understand that many women and men these days are choosing not to have
kids and do not regret it. For some people their "failure" was if
their birth control methods did not work and they had unwanted kids.
There are plenty of surveys of people who had kids who then regretted
it. Come up to present time, Skipper. Not having kids is not
considered a "failure" any longer any more than being gay is. People
today have many choices in lifestyles and it is bigotted to label
people who make unconventional choices as "failures". In fact, I
realize you care little for facts, but if you have a look at Daniel
Gilbert's book Stumbling on Happiness he completely debunks the myth
that having kids makes people happy. If people want to have kids and
enjoy having kids, I respect that, but I EQUALLY RESPECT people who
chose not to and do not label them failures.
> I won't even get into the psychology of it, you just slammed down hard
> with the hammer on that big old button and the slide flew all the way
> to the top of her spinal column and rang that empty bell and set her
> off.!
What he did is expose his own sleazy OSA-like mindset. He has not "set
me off". What he has done is reminded me of another issue that I feel
very strongly about -- trashing people for their lifestyle choices. It
is also sexist because it would never occur to anyone to ask this
question of a man. Now, lets get back to the topic at hand that you
have NOT succeeded in deflecting me from. In fact BECAUSE OF YOUR
ATTACKS ON ME AND ELDON'S ATTACKS ON ME I am going to get back to it
and HAMMER AWAY AT IT EVEN HARDER BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT
THE TOPIC. My purpose is to demonstrate that it is possible to stand
up to BULLIES who such as yourself, Eldon, and others here who attempt
to verbally abuse people who do not fall INTO LOCKSTEP WITH GROUTHINK.
So once again, here is the issue and SUBSTANCE of my criticism: The
ISSUE here is the inhumane treatment of people in cults and the way
some individuals who identify with Anonymous are treating
Scientologists. That has nothing at all to do with whether anyone
decides or not to have kids. We are talking about the report of an
adult about a picket.
> Congratulations.- Hide quoted text -
Monica Pignotti
Yes, exactly. I predict your last sentence will be the next thing
people will accuse me of. I'm really suprised someone hasn't played
that card already.
>But I think it was
> extreme for Monica to call it character assassination. It was a run-of-
> the-mill sexist snipe
That's true if that was the only thing that was said, but Eldon has
been making insinuations about my mental health and engaged in some
pretty nasty innuendo that taken together does amount to hideous
character assassination. Eldon has been in two nasty cults and learned
their DA tactics well. He is only exposing his own inability to have
an intelligent discussion that focuses on ISSUES rather than personal
attack and innuendo under the obviously phony guise of concern.
Monica Pignotti
Get real, Barb. What does a choice to reproduce or not have to do with
the topic at hand? Zilch, other than in Eldon's sick imagination. Now
that he has shared that HE HIMSELF REGRETS not having had children
that provides us with more insight into his PROJECTION OF HIS OWN
ISSUES ONTO ME, but no one ever hassles men on this issue. When was
the last time anyone asked that kind of question of a man? Yes, men do
have children too -- duh. You missed my point which is when men choose
to NOT have children they don't get it trotted out and flung in their
faces as an ad hominem attack. Yes, some men might regret not having
children but they don't get it used against them as a cheap shot to
deflect from the issue at hand, when that kind of thing happens to
women all the time. You see, Barb, we're not living in the 50s anymore
and the myth that people need children to be fulfilled and happy has
been thorougly debunked by research that shows otherwise. See social
psychologist Dan Gilbert's book Stumbling on Happiness for details.
> --
> Barb "That's Captain Barbossa to you!"
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
> It's Poodlin' Time!
>
> “I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
> so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
> belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
> the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
> appropriate.”
>
> --Robert Goff
> Professor Emeritus, UCSC- Hide quoted text -
peters...@gmail.com
that, what she reads is with a prejudiced view.
Nothing good can come out of that, me thinks.
I saw the photo's and video. I missed the mooning, but what I did see
was a middle aged lady that knowingly went on the street to spread
libel and slander about a peaceful group of protesters. When she saw a
few of them coming towards her, she walked, and the photo's show she
wasn't scared or afraid at all, back to the Org. Followed with
appropriate distance by a few Anonymous. She didn't even show she had
a bad conscience about spreading the lies about Anonymous. Although
she must have known she was doing something wrong, I guess, because
why did she return to the Org? Do picketers run away for members of
the CULT? No, they don't, knowing they are there for the right cause.
Apparently the lady wasn't so sure about her right cause.
Monica, you still believe the CULT's propaganda. It's all I can think
of to explain your posts against Anonymous. You still look at thinks
with the eyes of a CULT member (CULT = Cof$). And it makes me sad.
Peter
"Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we
have investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have
found crimes for which that person or group could be imprisoned under
existing law. We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have
criminal pasts."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 5 November
1967, "Critics of Scientology"
efish
Eldon <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote:
> It isn't an attack to point out a possible source of angst. And how do
> you know that no one would make that remark to a man? Oh, you just
> KNOW, right? Sure.
> >
> > > "Oh, no!" screams Monica. "The ONLY people who might regret not having
> > > had children are FEMALE, and you're not supposed to talk about that
> > > anyway. And if you did, I'd call you sexist!"
> >
> > Wrong. You're now trying to be even more dishonest and twist my words.
> > The fact is that these are the kinds of attacks that get leveled at
> > women, not men. I challenge you to find any examples of men who were
> > personally attacked for regretting not having children. It just
> > doesn't happen. There are, of course, men who do regret having
> > children but they don't get attacked for it.
>
> I don't know why you label my remark as an attack. I asked if it was a
> source of regret.
>
> You turned it into a sexist issue. I was addressing you as a human
> being.
you know, eldon... monica is right and that was indeed an abhorrently sexist
remark.
as much as you might wish to confront her on her more ah, specious academizings,
presuming regrets of childbearing (and calling into question someones sanity)
still constitute ad hominems and thus are... unacceptable in discourse. or
discourse worth reading, anyways.
and i am a person who disagrees with her on most of her rantandraves... but not
this one. she is absolutely right on this one.
so stop twisting. and think about what you said, instead.
and then... apologize.
regards
-ef
l.l.lipshitz
<pign...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
<6ee16eed-afce-47cc...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
ok, not peer review. if you insist on being so
literal, how about: usenet, or at least the ars part
of it, is not a factual, unbiased, accurate, proofed-
and-edited news reporting service. holding posters
to some kind of quality standard, especially in a
forum whose communication is decidedly colloquial
and coarse, will result in nothing but continuing
disappointment for you. but then you already know
that. good luck on your mission to edify us.
Monica Pignotti
> In article <576634e5-e911-4f2b-88d5-c8f30b54e...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Thank you for recognizing this, ef. Yes, sexism and the expectation
that all women should "want" to have kids and women who don't being
branded as failures (as Skipper put labeled me), is alive and well.
Eldon denies being sexist, but one good test for sexism is for people
to think about whether a man would have been asked this same question.
I think its pretty evident that it is highly unlikely. I'll bet it
never occurred to anyone to ask male critics of anonymous whether they
regretted not having had kids. I'm sorry to say it doesn't surprise
me, though, after witnessing what Hillary was subjected to throughout
her campaign, but that's for another usenet group to discuss.
AnonymousNasty
>
> - Show quoted text -
How many different threads are there out here talking about Monica,
eh?! TOO FUCKIN' MANY! My God/Xenu people can we actually discuss what
is of real importance here, the dismantling of this murderess cult or
shall we kept discussing a person who is irrelavant now. Does somebody
have some asprin because my head really hurts.....from talking about
bullshit over the past few days. Fuck we do not even talk about Tom
Newton this much even on a bad day. Not that Tom and/or Monica for
that matter deserve any of our attention.
$CIENTOLOGY KILL$ AND $O DOE$ DIANETIC$
marika
> On Jun 18, 1:34 pm, Monica Pignotti <pigno...@worldnet.
>
> Jeezus again! I said "perhaps" as one possibility of many. I do sort
> of look on the Anons as kids, because the ones I've met are college
> age, and I'm not much younger than that old codger Phil Scott.
>
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