Course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to Confront and Shatter Suppression" 1989 edition
Spacetraveler
http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
******************************************
An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims on
that page:
"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
really changed after all."
Referred is to the following:
"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
our Justice Codes."
I intended to verify this, and was able to locate 4 copies of this
1989 edition from different sources. None of them carried the texture
as shown above. It is also to be noted that these 'packs' were
binders. You can put in or take out pages as you please, just make
sure they have those 4 holes on the sides. So how do we know that not
someone else purposely fed Andreas with this information? Photocopies
are also quickly made, who would see the difference.
Personally I can add that this was either a mistake this mentioning of
'fair game' in the 1989 pack, or it is simply a fake! I have been
familiar with things and happenings in this organization for many
years and to claim that fair game would be so openly in use that they
would print that in a 1989 pack, is utterly ridiculous!
Please add this information on your webpage Andreas! You can either
mislead people or inform them, Let THEM do the judging!
Spacetraveler
Rev. Desertphile de Rothschild
wrote:
X-No-archive: no
> You're right. Wasn't in the pack I had that year.
Writer's Guide to Hollywood Producers, Directors, and Screenwriter's
Agents, 1999-2000 (Writer's Guide): Who They Are! What They Want! And
How to Win Them Over! by SKIP PRESS
This book is chock full of misinformation, March 8, 1999
Reviewer: A reader
I bought this book because it looked like it was a good guide for the
beginning writer about how to break into Hollywood as a screenwriter.
Boy was I wrong. More than half the numbers I called in the book are
incorrect (not counting the 213/323 area code change). For the
contacts that are right, more than half of those refused to read my
material, even though this book said they would. Some people said they
were very annoyed at being listed in the book because they felt it
misrepresented them severely. A lot of the listings also look helpful
until you parse them and find out you have to contact the agents or
companies anyway as the author supplies no contact information. I feel
really let down by this book. I thought it would be helpful and I
wasted my money.
---
http://lastliberal.org
Voting Republican makes baby Jesus cry!
Warrior
Spacetraveler says...
>
>Andreas Heldal-Lund:
>http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>
>******************************************
>
>An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>on that page:
>"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>really changed after all."
>
>Referred is to the following:
>"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>our Justice Codes."
I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
"Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
"Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
http://warrior.xenu.ca
Kim P
Spacetraveler wrote:
NO such thing as PTS'ness and the only suppression I see is the cult of
scientology suppressing the rights of its victims to know the truth and
the right its critics to tell the truth.
Other than that Hubbard's words are nothing more than the rantings of a
paranoid delusional drug abuser who cared not a whit about anyone but
himself.
The cult of scientology has nothing to offer but enslavement and
destruction.
Kim P
Lady Chatterly
>
>On Thu, 04 Nov 2004, Skipper <skipsp...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>> I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
>>> May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
>>> 140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
>>> "Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
>>> appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
>>> "Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
>>>
>>> Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
>>> http://warrior.xenu.ca
>>>
>>big project going on. The sec check courses at the time had transcripts
>>to go along with the tapes. Some of the transcripts had things the
>>tapes did not - because they'd been edited out - like Humbug auditing
>>James Hare and Hare "running whole track" and laughing about taking
>>over a planet at rounding up the 12 year-olds to rape them.
>>
>>I suspect the same thing happened with PLs etc. and the public simply
>>wasn't told.
>
>You can run. But you can not hide
Can you say more about your dreams?
--
Lady Chatterly
"LC pistol whips the poove" -- Peter Hood
arnie lerma
>In article <9f53d1e2.0411...@posting.google.com>,
>Spacetraveler says...
>>
>>Andreas Heldal-Lund:
>>http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>>
>>******************************************
>>
and this one:
28 Nov 1995 Memorandum Opinion [ Full Text ] - Judge Leonie Brinkema
"On the first issue, the Court finds that the motivation of plaintiff
in filing this lawsuit against the Post is reprehensible. Although the
RTC brought the complaint under traditional secular concepts of
copyright and trade secret law, it has become clear that a much
broader motivation prevailed--the stifling of crticism and dissent of
the religious practices of Scientology and the destruction of its
opponents. L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, has been quoted
as looking upon law as a tool to
[h]arass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very
easily to harrass and enough harrassment on somebody who is simply on
the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will
generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If
possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
(Declaraction of Mary Ann Werner, Attachment A, at C5; see also The
Post's reply brief at p. 24, note 23). "
>>An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>>on that page:
>>"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>>Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>>extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>>really changed after all."
>>
>>Referred is to the following:
>>"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>>our Justice Codes."
>
>I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
>May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
>140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
>"Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
>appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
>"Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
>
>Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
> http://warrior.xenu.ca
If the Ferengi were to breed with the Borg you'd get Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/comedy.html
The internet is the Liberty Tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/libertyl.html
Ex-Scientologist staff member
apoligizes to John Travolta, Mayor Gabe Cazares
and the Citizens of Clearwater
http://www.lermanet.com/garyweber/
Help getting someone OUT of Scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html
Spacetraveler
If that is true for you then it is true for you! But, are these
personal experiences or are you just repeating others?
Spacetraveler
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:041120040713385976%skipsp...@charter.net...
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> In article <109544475.0...@drn.newsguy.com>, Warrior
> big project going on. The sec check courses at the time had transcripts
> to go along with the tapes. Some of the transcripts had things the
> tapes did not - because they'd been edited out - like Humbug auditing
> James Hare and Hare "running whole track" and laughing about taking
> over a planet at rounding up the 12 year-olds to rape them.
>
> I suspect the same thing happened with PLs etc. and the public simply
> wasn't told.
That's correct. My twin and I at the time (Training on the Sec Check Course)
kept finding HCOB's (Tech) and Policies that were different than what we
remembered. (And no, don't ask me which ones...but there were both. Someone
else can fill in the exact ones).
We both told our Supervisor, "This isn't how we first learned this". At
first we were told, "Just move along, do your checksheets". We refused
without seeing the ORIGINAL ref's...and guess what? They had been changed
quite a bit.
That was in 1985.
Best
Tory/Magoo~~
Warrior
>http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>
>******************************************
>
>An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>on that page:
>"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>really changed after all."
>
>Referred is to the following:
>"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>our Justice Codes."
I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
Spacetraveler
Well, I have a copy of that pack too. And you know what? It says: "HCO
Policy Letter of 5 April 1965RA" You better find out quickly what RA
actually means. Damn waht are ou ignorant about these things. You
really don't know where you talk about, now do you?
Meaning that you claim is false!
Spacetraveler
Warrior
>> Spacetraveler says...
>> >
>> >Andreas Heldal-Lund:
>> >http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>> >
>> >******************************************
>> >
>> >An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>> >on that page:
>> >"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>> >Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>> >extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>> >really changed after all."
>> >
>> >Referred is to the following:
>> >"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>> >our Justice Codes."
>Warrior wrote in news:<111321052.0...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>>
>> I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
>> May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
>> 140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
>> "Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
>> appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
>> "Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
In article <9f53d1e2.04112...@posting.google.com>,
Spacetraveler says...
>
>Well, I have a copy of that pack too.
The pack you're referring to is not the same, i.e., it is not the 1986 pack.
>And you know what? It says: "HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965RA"
Then you don't have the same pack that I do.
>You better find out quickly what RA actually means.
I have known what 'RA' means in this context for 29 years.
>Damn waht [sic] are ou [sic] ignorant about these things. You
>really don't know where [sic] you talk about, now do you?
I most certainly do. I not only have the 1986 pack I cited above,
but I have an earlier pack too, and it has the same policy letter
that I cited. And I have done the course. See my site page at
http://warrior.xenu.ca/19780209ptsspcrs.jpg for a scan of my
certificate.
>Meaning that you [sic] claim is false!
>
>Spacetraveler
No, my claim is not false. I will gladly provide a scan of my issues
to prove my claims. And should you ever travel to my home in
Texas I will show you the actual original materials I've had in my
possession for many years.
Spacetraveler
You speak about: "PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21 May
1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive 140"
That means RA is in there. In 1989 it still was RA. Meaning your claim
is still false.
>
> >And you know what? It says: "HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965RA"
>
> Then you don't have the same pack that I do.
In the line of how policies are dealt with and used, RA is the valid
version, period.
> >You better find out quickly what RA actually means.
>
> I have known what 'RA' means in this context for 29 years.
>
> >Damn waht [sic] are ou [sic] ignorant about these things. You
> >really don't know where [sic] you talk about, now do you?
>
> I most certainly do. I not only have the 1986 pack I cited above,
> but I have an earlier pack too, and it has the same policy letter
> that I cited. And I have done the course. See my site page at
> http://warrior.xenu.ca/19780209ptsspcrs.jpg for a scan of my
> certificate.
And? This does not say your claim is valid.
> >Meaning that you [sic] claim is false!
> No, my claim is not false. I will gladly provide a scan of my issues
> to prove my claims. And should you ever travel to my home in
> Texas I will show you the actual original materials I've had in my
> possession for many years.
Someone did some research about it, http://mccalcon.notlong.com
Spacetraveler
Reposter
Title: Re: PTS/SP Course
Author: Skipper <skipsp...@charter.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 07:13:38 -0800
In article <109544475.0...@drn.newsguy.com>, Warrior
<war...@xenu.ca> wrote:
> In article <9f53d1e2.0411...@posting.google.com>,
> Spacetraveler says...
> >
> >Andreas Heldal-Lund:
> >http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
> >
> >******************************************
> >
> >An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
> >on that page:
> >"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
> >Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
> >extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
> >really changed after all."
> >
> >Referred is to the following:
> >"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
> >our Justice Codes."
>
> I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
> May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
> 140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
> "Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
> appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
> "Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
>
> Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
> http://warrior.xenu.ca
>
Warrior
>> >> In article <9f53d1e2.0411...@posting.google.com>,
>> >> Spacetraveler says...
>> >> >
>> >> >Andreas Heldal-Lund:
>> >> >http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>> >> >
>> >> >******************************************
>> >> >
>> >> >An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>> >> >on that page:
>> >> >"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>> >> >Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>> >> >extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>> >> >really changed after all."
>> >> >
>> >> >Referred is to the following:
>> >> >"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>> >> >our Justice Codes."
>> Warrior wrote in news:<111321052.0...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>> >>
>> >> I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
>> >> May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
>> >> 140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
>> >> "Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
>> >> appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
>> >> "Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
>> In article <9f53d1e2.04112...@posting.google.com>,
>> Spacetraveler says...
>> >
>> >Well, I have a copy of that pack too.
>Warrior wrote in <111402353.0...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>>
>> The pack you're referring to is not the same, i.e., it is not the 1986 pack.
In article <9f53d1e2.04112...@posting.google.com>,
Spacetraveler says...
>
>You speak about: "PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21 May
>1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive 140"
>That means RA is in there. In 1989 it still was RA. Meaning your claim
>is still false.
Wrong. Everything I've posted is true and 100% verifiable.
>> >And you know what? It says: "HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965RA"
>> Then you don't have the same pack that I do.
>In the line of how policies are dealt with and used, RA is the valid
>version, period.
All of the issues I cited exist.
>> >You better find out quickly what RA actually means.
>> I have known what 'RA' means in this context for 29 years.
>>
>> >Damn waht [sic] are ou [sic] ignorant about these things. You
>> >really don't know where [sic] you talk about, now do you?
>> I most certainly do. I not only have the 1986 pack I cited above,
>> but I have an earlier pack too, and it has the same policy letter
>> that I cited. And I have done the course. See my site page at
>> http://warrior.xenu.ca/19780209ptsspcrs.jpg for a scan of my
>> certificate.
>And? This does not say your claim is valid.
I've done the course. The materials I cited are originals still in my
possession.
>> >Meaning that you [sic] claim is false!
>> No, my claim is not false. I will gladly provide a scan of my issues
>> to prove my claims. And should you ever travel to my home in
>> Texas I will show you the actual original materials I've had in my
>> possession for many years.
>Someone did some research about it, http://mccalcon.notlong.com
>
>Spacetraveler
I've done my research, and everything I've posted is true. My claims
can be easily verified by examining the materials. The practice of
fair game continues. You're a living example.
Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
"Scientology: it's about deception."
http://warrior.xenu.ca
Warrior
>> Spacetraveler says...
>>>
>>>Andreas Heldal-Lund:
>>>http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html
>>>
>>>******************************************
>>>
>>>An additional comment can be made on Andreas Heldal-Lund. He claims
>>>on that page:
>>>"I personally got a copy of the course manual "PTS/SP COURSE - How to
>>>Confront and Shatter Suppression" as printed by the cult in 1989. This
>>>extract is from page 128 and shows that not even the wording was
>>>really changed after all."
>>>
>>>Referred is to the following:
>>>"The ex-student should realize this makes him Fair Game and outside
>>>our Justice Codes."
>Warrior wrote in <111321052.0...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>>
>> I have a copy of the PTS/SP Course and Checksheet Part Two, dated 21
>> May 1986. This checksheet was issued as Scientology Policy Directive
>> 140. The above quote appears in HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965
>> "Handling The Suppressive Person - The Basis of Insanity". This policy
>> appears on the checksheet as a "star rated" item on page 3, section C
>> "Organizational Actions" as item number 8.
In article <9f53d1e2.04112...@posting.google.com>,
Spacetraveler says...
>
>Well, I have a copy of that pack too.
Obviously your pack is not the same pack that I have.
>And you know what? It says: "HCO Policy Letter of 5 April 1965RA"
>You better find out quickly what RA actually means.
I know what 'RA' means. Naturally you attack with a statement
that assumes I don't know what 'RA' means. When you post a
silly 'argument' such as this, you have to realize how foolish it is.
After all, you've 'dubbed in' that I don't already know. [For those
of you who don't know, 'dubbed in' is Scienospeak for having made
something up -- in this case, having assumed a premise which lacks
any factual basis.] In other words, 'Spacetraveler', you committed
an error in logic.
>Damn waht [sic] are ou [sic] ignorant about these things. [sic]
>You really don't know where [sic] you talk about, now do you?
You're wrong. Factually, I have completed the PTS/SP Course
(see http://warrior.xenu.ca/19780209ptsspcrs.jpg and also
http://warrior.xenu.ca/19780209ptsspdetandhandling.jpg ) and
am also certified as a Fully Qualified and Trained Staff Member.
I can prove it. (see http://warrior.xenu.ca/19790201fqtsm.jpg )
>Meaning that you [sic] claim is false!
Maybe you wish it were so, but my claim is 100% verifiably true.
My materials are originals obtained directly from Scientology's
publications department. I studied the course, completed it, andI
passed the exam with a 100% grade. I've also been certified by
Scientology as 'Super-literate'.
( See http://warrior.xenu.ca/19800530m1wc.jpg )
Can you prove the same certification?