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Dave Touretzky  
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(3 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 7:30 pm
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Date: 1 Sep 2006 19:30:08 -0400
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 7:30 pm
Subject: why Scientology hates the Internet

Scientology hates the Internet because it's full of "copyright
terrorists" -- Helena Kobrin's ridiculous phrase.

Scientology hates the Internet because Wikipedia has developed into a
giant glowing mass of entheta, with content that is highly ranked in
search engines and mirrored at several other sites.

Scientology hates the Internet because Xenu lives there.

Scientology hates the Internet because critic sites like Xenu.net
receive equal prominence with the cult's own web sites, thanks to
Google.

Scientology hates the Internet because ex-members it thought had been
"shuddered into silence" are finding their voices again.  They've seen
a lot of the cult's dirty laundry, and they're no longer afraid to
talk about it.

Scientology hates the Internet because my E-Meter page is more
highly ranked in Google than their E-meter page.

Scientology hates the Internet because it will never forget Lisa
McPherson.

Scientology hates the Internet because, among an entire generation of
young people, anyone with enough brains to use a web browser quickly
learns the truth about L. Ron Hubbard.

Scientology hates the Internet because every book, magazine article,
or television program critical of Scientology has been resurrected and
made available worldwide, for free.

Scientology hates the Internet because kids on YouTube and YTMND
make fun of them without fear of retribution.

Scientology hates the Internet because it's destroying their
membership stats.

Scientology hates the Internet because their front groups like Applied
Scholastics and Narconon are exposed and thoroughly debunked there.

Scientology hates the Internet because they can't control it.

-- Dave Touretzky:  fearless NOTs scholar extraordinaire.
   http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets


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Dave Touretzky  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 8:18 pm
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From: d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Date: 1 Sep 2006 20:18:54 -0400
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet

Oh yes, coffeecup, I actively encourage people to learn about
Scientology.  And I'm a very effective disseminator, as you know if
you've listened to some of my radio or TV appearances:

  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/Media

Unfortunately for Scientology, when *I* lead people to learn the lingo
and the belief system, they fail to approach the subject with the
reverence that LRH required.  They view Scientology as a perverted,
wacky cult -- fun to learn about, but not something they'd ever spend
money on.

  This Scientology bashin'
  Sets DM's teeth a-gnashin'
  The stats they are a-crashin'
  As it all
            falls
                  down!

Last one out of INT Base, turn out the lights.

-- Dave Touretzky:  "Prozac never tasted so good."
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Druac  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 8:32 pm
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From: "Druac" <druac.bla...@gmail.com>
Date: 1 Sep 2006 17:32:27 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet
Bingo!

Dave Touretzky wrote:

"Scientology hates the Internet because they can't control it."

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Dave Touretzky  
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From: d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Date: 1 Sep 2006 20:55:03 -0400
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet
coffee...@aussiesip.com appears to have deleted his own posting soon
after I replied to it.  So here it is again, reposted for posterity.

No wonder Scientology hates Usenet.

-- Dave Touretzky:  "My server can beat up your server."
   http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets

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Dave Touretzky wrote:
> Scientology hates the Internet because it's full of "copyright
> terrorists" -- Helena Kobrin's ridiculous phrase.

Hubbard originated the name 'XENU' and words like 'enturbulation'
and yet critics of the Co$ still promote the Church by using these
very same words.  The critics are giving validitity to Hubbard's
claims.  Why do they do this?  I suspect a large number of them
are deep hidden 'scientologists' working hand-in-hand with
Scientology to either positively promote or negatively promote
the Church on the Internet.  Knowing that the Internet, is a public
soup of low toned, ARCX beings, and using communication levels
corresponding with those as you would find on the 'HUBBARD
CHART OF HUMAN EVALUATION'.  This game that scientologists
and to a lesser extent the Official Church of Scientology use on the
Internet, are all part-and-parcel of their technological understandings
of the human mind, and human spirit, the tone scale, the comm
line, Dianetics 55.  You can promote Scientology in one of two ways,
either pro or anti; either way if you are using terms that
scientologists
use you are promoting it in some way.  What an interesting exercise,
and experiment you are running here on the Internet, you pseudo-
church-critics.  Even up to defending ECT and drugging patients with
neurotoxins.  They understand that 'destructive' communications are
the only type of communication lines that low-toned beings work with,
can appreciate, and have any ARC with.

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Skipper  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 8:57 pm
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From: Skipper <skipspaml...@charter.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:28 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet
In article <1157154625.760631.80...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,

Do you wake up in the morning and push your crazy button, or is it just
permanently on?

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Chip Gallo  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 9:21 pm
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From: Chip Gallo <cga...@NOSPAMcitlink.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:21:09 GMT
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 9:21 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet

Druac wrote:
> Bingo!

> Dave Touretzky wrote:
> "Scientology hates the Internet because they can't control it."

The internet exists beyond the boundary of Hubbard think. He missed the
concept of shared electronic community in others' work, and wasn't smart
enough to think of it himself. Heinlein, for example, did imagine places
like the internet (see "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress").

Scientology, Inc. fears the internet as much as it hates it. It forces
them into an end game strategy, which even all their lawyers, guns and
money cannot win for them. The internet is a Fair Witness to these
organizational death throes and will broadly publish the epitaph.

Chip Gallo
Knowing How to Know is Knowing Where to Go:
http://Stop-Narconon.org/LeonaValley/briefing-book.pdf (74MB PDF)
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://www.lermanet.com/tomgorman/tommygorman.htm
http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.xenuTV.com
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
http://whyaretheydead.net/
http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?11
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
http://www.torymagoo.org/


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zeeorger  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 1 2006, 10:12 pm
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From: "zeeorger" <zeeor...@yahoo.com>
Date: 1 Sep 2006 19:12:38 -0700
Local: Fri, Sep 1 2006 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet

Dave Touretzky wrote:
> ...

> Scientology hates the Internet because my E-Meter page is more
> highly ranked in Google than their E-meter page.

Well your e-meter page (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/)
has humor, something usually lacking inside fenced perimeters.

This must be a happy PC on endorphin overload ...

  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/kinky1.png

This must be Barbara Schwarz finding "Marty".  Looks like
it was an extra long sec-check session, ropes and all ...

  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/kinky2.png

Z


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barbz  
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(2 users)  More options Sep 2 2006, 8:44 am
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From: barbz <xenub...@netscape.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:44:28 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 2 2006 8:44 am
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet

coffee...@aussieisp.com wrote:
> Dave Touretzky wrote:

>> Scientology hates the Internet because it's full of "copyright
>> terrorists" -- Helena Kobrin's ridiculous phrase.

> Hubbard originated the name 'XENU' and words like 'enturbulation'
> and yet critics of the Co$ still promote the Church by using these
> very same words.  The critics are giving validitity to Hubbard's
> claims.  Why do they do this?

Because part of being human involves playing with language. It's fun.
Now, you might THINK we do it for the reason you give, but you're wrong.
We don't promote Scientology by using its jargon, we use the jargon
because it's amusing, and other critics also recognize and understand
the buzz words. Even The Simpsons have used the word 'enturbulate' on
one of their shows for the laugh factor. And before you bother telling
us the voice of Bart is a Scientologist, don't bother. The Movementarian
episode managed to take a slap at several cults at one time.

  I suspect a large number of them

> are deep hidden 'scientologists' working hand-in-hand with
> Scientology to either positively promote or negatively promote
> the Church on the Internet.  Knowing that the Internet, is a public
> soup of low toned, ARCX beings, and using communication levels
> corresponding with those as you would find on the 'HUBBARD
> CHART OF HUMAN EVALUATION'.

Oh, that's mighty nice of you. Discarding the millions of netizens as
low-toned, ARCX beings (talk about slinging the jargon,hah) must make
you feel real superior about yourself. Heh. Self delusion is another
human trait. Indulge at your own risk.

  This game that scientologists

> and to a lesser extent the Official Church of Scientology use on the
> Internet, are all part-and-parcel of their technological understandings
> of the human mind, and human spirit, the tone scale, the comm
> line, Dianetics 55.  You can promote Scientology in one of two ways,
> either pro or anti; either way if you are using terms that
> scientologists
> use you are promoting it in some way.  

That's a load of baloney, as well as a contradiction. I think you need
to word-clear "promote."

What an interesting exercise,

> and experiment you are running here on the Internet, you pseudo-
> church-critics.  Even up to defending ECT and drugging patients with
> neurotoxins.  They understand that 'destructive' communications are
> the only type of communication lines that low-toned beings work with,
> can appreciate, and have any ARC with.

You sad little bean! Disagreeing with the Scientology shills who post
anti-psych crap isn't the same as defending psychiatry. Only a
thoroughly indoctrinated cult member would think that makes sense. But
then, like yourself, they're stuck in the 50s view of psychiatry shown
you by Hubbard. Visions of patients strapped down for shock treatments
dance in your indoctrinated head, and you think you're "thinking for
yourself" when you spew the Scientology view.

Ever wonder if people are laughing at you, or with you?

--
"I'm for the separation of church and hate."

Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
xenub...@netscape.net


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mackbuck...@yahoo.com  
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From: mackbuck...@yahoo.com
Date: 2 Sep 2006 07:55:41 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 2 2006 10:55 am
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet
On 1 Sep 2006 19:30:08 -0400, d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:

<snip>

Dave Touretzky objects to any probing question about:

1) How he obtains his funding
2) How he converts public monies
3) Why he uses university facilities for private business
4) His "smoke and mirrors" research
5) Racism

therefore he specializes in diverting attention away from things that
prompt agency oversight.


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Beckyboo  
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From: "Beckyboo" <LtcRobertSH...@aol.com>
Date: 2 Sep 2006 07:58:06 -0700
Local: Sat, Sep 2 2006 10:58 am
Subject: Re: why Scientology hates the Internet

Dave Touretzky wrote:

> Scientology hates the Internet because they can't control it.

Shouldn't this read that they can't control it as much as they used to?
They tried, right? Didn't they infiltrate Google and suppress searches?

That's what I heard.....

--

Becky


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