Head OSA Netherlands wild screaming running into nearby police department
scientologate
"cuffed" the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the
street.
However Julia Rijnvis by accident found out that she was going to be
handcuffed in a second and ran away (while loud and wild screaming)
into the nearby police departement.
Of course the whole team of the National TV station ran after her to
film the whole thing, even within the police department.
Still 10 minutes of wonderful material. :) There.
The name of the TV show is called in dutch "boeiend" which translated
would mean "chained" of "something which attracks a lot of attention".
The whole show is about chaining someone and then someone runs away
with the keys of the handcufs. The person will not be freed untill
certain questions have been answered by the person chained. This all
is recorded on the camera of the dutch national TV station KRO.
Wonder when the first youtube video's of this event will appear.
Well we have to think up a new Epic event now.
Some people hope the cross of the church will be hijacked and replaced
by a dollar symbol, or painted in purple on the day of the gayparade.
Of course all recorded on nice youtube videos....
Alexia Death
wait...wait... this is a LEGITIMATE tv show? They can just grab
someone off the street and cuff them? O_O waird entertainment you have
there.(why do I see a LOLsuit coming?) Lots o LULZ in the event I bet
tho.
henri
This has an illegal sound to it. Isn't this unlawful imprisonment or
kidnapping or something? Here, this would be a felony and would be
pretty likely to get you serious prison time.
I'm not aware of any civilized country where you're allowed to chain
someone to something for no reason. Hope you have a good lawyer.
scientologate
trying out things.
Probably you have heard about TV shows and films like Big Brother, The
Big Donor Show and Fitna The Movie.
They always trying out things and searching for the limit.
By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
scientology in Amsterdam. So it would be a kind of hypocritical to sue
an anonymous or TV-guy.
scientologate
>
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Is painting a cross in purple or pink legitimate in your country?
And what about hijacking the cross and replacing it by a dollarsign?
Here it would be a subject for a lot of lulz with movies appearing
from all around the world of groups hijacking the cross.
They even would consider giving it back in a TV-show, under the
condition that the ED personally comes to pick it up in a "live" show.
And probably would be given back this cross in a pink-color.
henri
I doubt the hypocrisy of something has ever, once, in the history of
Scientology, kept them from doing anything at all.
Chip Gallo
Who said TV couldn't be educational? Now the vast wasteland is dotted
with false imprisonment and crazy stunts. I love how you can judge the
extremeness of the situation being shown by how many blurred-out faces
there are in the video ...
A big shout out to Sylvia Stanard of OSA DC. Can you get John to get
John Jr. to finish that darn web site? So what if you don't have a
picture of Julie?
Chip Gallo
Knowing How to Know is Knowing Where to Go:
http://www.xenu-directory.net/index.html
http://www.lermanet2.com/scientology/LawrenceWoodcraftAsbestos.htm
http://xenutv.wordpress.com
http://groups.myspace.com/scngoodbadugly
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363363/inside_scientology
http://www.xenu.net/
http://www.xenuTV.com
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/
http://whyaretheydead.net/
http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?8
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
Alexia Death
> And what about hijacking the cross and replacing it by a dollarsign?
> Here it would be a subject for a lot of lulz with movies appearing
> from all around the world of groups hijacking the cross.
> They even would consider giving it back in a TV-show, under the
> condition that the ED personally comes to pick it up in a "live" show.
> And probably would be given back this cross in a pink-color.
Minor act of vandalism... Pehaps its worth the LULZ...
Piltdown Man
scientologate <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> This is a new dutch TV show, can't help, but in Holland they always
> trying out things.
Like trolling on Usenet? Yes, a wonderful new idea to try out.
<snip>
> By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
> scientology in Amsterdam. So it would be a kind of hypocritical to sue
> an anonymous or TV-guy.
If anything of what you described was true, the people involved wouldn't be
being sued, they'd have been arrested by the police and awaiting criminal
charges in jail.
Piltdown Man
scientologate <scient...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program
> "cuffed" the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the
> street.
>
> However Julia Rijnvis by accident found out that she was going to be
> handcuffed in a second and ran away (while loud and wild screaming)
> into the nearby police departement.
>
> Of course the whole team of the National TV station ran after her to
> film the whole thing, even within the police department.
Yeah, right. This has got to be the most pathetic trolling attempts I've
seen in years.
> Still 10 minutes of wonderful material. :) There.
>
> The name of the TV show is called in dutch "boeiend" which translated
> would mean "chained" of "something which attracks a lot of attention".
> The whole show is about chaining someone and then someone runs away
> with the keys of the handcufs. The person will not be freed untill
> certain questions have been answered by the person chained. This all
> is recorded on the camera of the dutch national TV station KRO.
For those not familiar with Dutch broadcasting, which I imagine is most
people in ARS: KRO is one of the non-profit organisations that make up the
public service broadcasting system. The "K" stands for "Katholiek", which
means exactly what you think it means. While their original roots as the
on-air voice of the Roman Catholic Church don't show anymore in a lot of
their programming, they still do fill the "religious" airtime the RCC is
allotted for free.
Their website is at http://www.kro.nl. I challenge anyone to find any sign
there of a TV programme called "Boeiend", which consists of grabbing people
off the street against their will, handcuffing them, and subjecting them to
forced interrogation in front of a TV camera. Not only that, they
apparently do this with full cooperation of the police, since one their
victims, Julia Rijnvis, ran into the Amsterdam police HQ (which is indeed
right next door to the Amsterdam org) pursued by the people who wanted to
kidnap and handcuff her, including a camera crew, and the police didn't
arrest the criminals involved.
God, this is so stupid I don't know why I'm wasting time bothering to
reply.
Wim Derksen
I wait and see. I dont believe a word of it.
Wim
Jonnie Tyler
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> This is a new dutch TV show, can't help, but in Holland they always
> trying out things.
>
> Probably you have heard about TV shows and films like Big Brother, The
> Big Donor Show and Fitna The Movie.
> They always trying out things and searching for the limit.
As far as I know the origin of Big Brother was German, not Dutch.
Dutch are very liberal but I doubt it would include chaining people against
their will and making fun of them in front ot TV, especially not in a
context where a heated contention already exist between the two parties.
There are certain things one can get away with in the context of a hidden
camera setting but the context is very different here. What you find "funny"
can bring anons in serious legal trouble and by all means make them look
exactly as scilons claims them to be.
peters...@gmail.com
> "scientologate" <scientolog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Big Brother really is originating from Holland: Endemol Productions
was the producer and they sold the format to other countries. They
produced also the German version.
Normally, when you get cuffed in front of a camera crew by people who
are obvious from a television program, you wouldn't panic, I think.
Not in the way you would panic when it was by the cops, I would say.
Yet, being a brainwashed OSA op, you have lost touch with reallity and
won't see the humor of it. It is something like Banana Split.
Peter
Jens Tingleff
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scientologate wrote:
> Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program
> "cuffed" the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the
> street.
Oooh, I hope this isn't true. If there is such a rogram, I hope they get
stopped before something serious happens.
>
> However Julia Rijnvis by accident found out that she was going to be
> handcuffed in a second and ran away (while loud and wild screaming)
> into the nearby police departement.
I'm with Julia on that one.
Best Regards
Jens
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scientologate wrote:
>
> By the way, recently an anonymous was help hostage in the "church" of
> scientology in Amsterdam.
And that was truly idiotic (on the part of the Anon), and anyone with an
ounce of sense told her that it was idiotic. The thread on enturb didn't
turn into a major show of support for her, or for the other Dutch
protesters/Anon present at that time. (Is that a hint? it's more likely
than you think!)
Best Regards
Jens
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Android Cat
> Normally, when you get cuffed in front of a camera crew by people who
> are obvious from a television program, you wouldn't panic, I think.
> Not in the way you would panic when it was by the cops, I would say.
> Yet, being a brainwashed OSA op, you have lost touch with reallity and
> won't see the humor of it. It is something like Banana Split.
Umm, if people who didn't identify themselves as police officers following
procedure tried to grab me and cuff me against my will, I wouldn't see the
humour in that. Neither would they.
--
Ron of that ilk.
peters...@gmail.com
The program is still in the developing phase. They are not allowed to
give any information. However, when I suggested as to that people were
jumped upon and cuffed, he denied it strongly.
My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was going to
be in a television program, seconds before she was going to be cuffed.
She ran away, using her OT-powers (screaming). She didn't want to
appear in a TV-show.
That's all folks!
Peter
"When you move off a point of power, pay all your obligations on the
nail, empower all your friends completely and move off with your
pockets full of artillery, potential blackmail on every erstwhile
rival, unlimited funds in your private account and the addresses of
experienced assassins and go live in Bulgravia [sic] and bribe the
police."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 12
February 1967, "The Responsibilities of Leaders"
Fredric L. Rice
>with the keys of the handcufs. The person will not be freed untill
>certain questions have been answered by the person chained.
When done without the person's permission, that's kidnapping and assault.
Do that in Los Angeles and you get a bullet in your head.
What a stupid stunt.
---
Anonymous
they propably read on http://www.sektevrij.nl/ or http://forums.enturbulation.org/
that we were planning a raid.
I can safely say most Anons were as surprised as the Sci's at the
sight of Camera crew and comotion.
Jonnie Tyler
news:44fcdd7e-b2a3-4bf9...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
How come there is no news of this on enturbulation.org? At least none that I
could find.
And where are the pics?
Pix or it didn't happen :-)
Jonnie Tyler
news:llrbk.220196$6i4....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
OK - I jus found mention of it on enturbulation.org - it was on another
thread:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/22-local-events/operation-stat-crasher-amsterdam-july-3rd-20835/
"*) Dutch TV trying to handcuff the local head of OSA and failing. Local
head of OSA bawww's at police who tells her to stop moaning"
Piltdown Man
<annoying crosspost once more deleted>
peters...@gmail.com wrote...
<snip>
> Normally, when you get cuffed in front of a camera crew by people who
> are obvious from a television program, you wouldn't panic, I think.
I love that use of the word "normally". Yeah, it happens all the time. In
the Netherlands, people get grabbed of the street and handcuffed by
strangers all the time, so they don't panic about such things anymore. This
isn't a matter of multiple serious criminal offenses being committed. As
long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a videocamera so
that it can be shown on TV later it's all perfectly legal, and the Dutch
police won't lift a finger.
> Not in the way you would panic when it was by the cops, I would say.
In civilised countries, of which the Netherlands is one the last time I
checked, the police are the only people allowed to arrest and handcuff
people, and only under very strict conditions. I really have to wonder what
strange mental world you live in, where you think it is "normal" for
someone to panic when they're arrested by the police, but not normal for
them to panic when a criminal gang attempts to grab them off the street and
handcuff them. Because that is exactly what the people you describe as
being from a KRO TV programme would be, if they did the things you claim
they did: a criminal gang. What's more, a gang that carried out their
criminal activities in broad daylight, right on the doorstep of the
Amsterdam police headquarters.
Piltdown Man
<crosspost removed>
peters...@gmail.com wrote...
> I have phoned the KRO, the producer of the show, just a minute ago.
> The program is still in the developing phase. They are not allowed to
> give any information. However, when I suggested as to that people were
> jumped upon and cuffed, he denied it strongly.
The sound you hear is that of a Dutchman on a bicycle, frantically
back-pedalling.
> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was going to
> be in a television program, seconds before she was going to be cuffed.
Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth hidden
somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE CUFFED BY A
TV CREW, you total moron.
Black Mamba
"Piltdown Man" <pilt...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry> wrote in message
news:01c8de3b$b932a580$LocalHost@gateway...
There is such a thing as reporting a crime and then there is such a
thing as "reporting a crime".
I wish people did not have to do either of the two.
But, like you, like a lot of people that sometimes post here that are
always "ranting" "I hope that the police catch those @#$%&(**!+_
Scientologists in the act and send them to jail!" It would be nice if it
happened, but sometimes it can help just to shut up. Because, I don't know
if you are aware or not what went on between the Church of Scientology and
myself for many years, right under the noses of the local authorities in
these parts, and I am not here to dredge up the past about my invovlement
with the church, but, listen.
In the end most of the people in Scientology I didn't get along with too
well, that were invovled in other things around here in New Jersey, were
kicked out of the cities that they were in by people I never even met! So,
how's that for revenge?
--
Larry
{LaserClam Is Like A Pit Viper!}
Fredric L. Rice
Apparently is _did_not_ happen. It may be that a Scientology crook
ran screaming to a police station, but nobody would be stupid enough
to handcuff people on the street other than, well, insane Scientology
criminals.
---
peters...@gmail.com
> "Jonnie Tyler" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >"Anonymous" <scientologyru...@live.com> wrote in message
Well, the person I spoke on the phone when I called the KRO (producing
broadcaster) confirmed there was an incident with Julia Rijnvis. So it
DID happen as described. Point is: The show is in the starting phase,
which means that the first video's are being made but the format is
still subject to changes. Even the first broadcast date isn't set yet.
That is the reason you won't find anything about this show on their
website.
Peter
"We're playing for blood, the stake is EARTH."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 7
November 1962
Jeta
Piltdown Man wrote:
> <crosspost removed>
[Removed newsgroups added]
> peters...@gmail.com wrote...
[...]
>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
>> going to be cuffed.
> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
Dutch national broadcasting corporation.
Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
The formula of this program is that the reporter stays attached to
the person until he gives answers to questions he usually refuse
to give. One could, for example, ask Julia: "is this the core of
Scientology's secret upper level teachings?" (showing her a print
of the OT III story), next to a print of a court document where
Scientology claims to have the copyrights on that story.
Julia isn't "clear(tm)" yet (will take her twenty more years in
the cult I guess), so you can imagine her reaction. :)
I wonder what your reaction will be when some footage of this event
shows up on the net. Will you apologize and call yourself a "total
moron" then?
Jeta Eggers
Amsterdam
The Netherlands
--
Scientology's secret core-story:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn//ot3/ot3.html
Jeta
Piltdown Man wrote:
> <annoying crosspost once more deleted>
[Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]
[...]
> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
station).
And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.
[...]
> Because that is exactly what the people you describe as
> being from a KRO TV programme would be, if they did the things
> you [Peter] claim they did: a criminal gang. What's more, a gang
> that carried out their criminal activities in broad daylight,
> right on the doorstep of the Amsterdam police headquarters.
I will tell them this informed opinion from the famous Pulldown
Man. They will be impressed. :)
Jeta Eggers
Amsterdam
The Netherlands
--
BodyThetan Products(r) for Scientologists:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn/humour/bodythetan-products.html
peters...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <crosspost removed>
>
> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote...
Moron? Did YOU do the effort to phone for information? No.
Did you speak to anyone from the producing broadcaster? No.
Do people get jumped upon and handcuffed? No.
But are they being handcuffed? YES! By a TV-crew? YES!
Had it something to do with Anonymous? No.
Get your head out of where ever you put it and READ.
And then come back and tell me about that steaming pile of shit you
are talking about.
Peter
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
peters...@gmail.com
wrote:
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
Jens Tingleff
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Jeta wrote:
>
> Piltdown Man wrote:
>
>> <crosspost removed>
>
> [Removed newsgroups added]
>
>
>> peters...@gmail.com wrote...
>
> [...]
>
>>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was
>>> going to be in a television program, seconds before she was
>>> going to be cuffed.
>
>> Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
>> hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
>> TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
>
> Are you so sure about this that you have to shout? Well then, let
> me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
> a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
> the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
> Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
> Dutch national broadcasting corporation.
>
> Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
> been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
>
Not speaking for Piltdown, I must say that this sounds like pretty darned
stupid TV, and I wish Julia every luck with her complaint to the police.
Best Regards
Jens
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Jonnie Tyler
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This is not what your fellow anonymous "scientologate" said initially in the
message that started this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/nl.scientology/browse_thread/thread/8e7cece206e44ac0
"Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program "cuffed"
the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the street." ... "Well we
Eldon
> Piltdown Man wrote:
> > <annoying crosspost once more deleted>
>
> [Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]
>
> [...]
>
> > As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
> > videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
> > perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>
> Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
> station).
>
> And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
> filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.
Well, thanks for the clarification about how the show is produced,
Jeta. It does seem "edgy" in the sense of legality, but maybe in
Holland people can take that as more of a joke.
Bruticus Anonymous
untill he/she answered your questions , is a dream of every
reporter/journalist, but there are some legal issues. The cuffed person must
be notified before the cuffing session is started, else it is as illegal as
holding someone hostage! Therefor i think the producers of the show told
julia they going to cuff her, and she didn't like that at all..... and with
a little drama she ran to the police station.. trying to make this story in
favorite of scientology...
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Alexia Death
> Indeed.. The idea of cuffing someone to yourself and not letting him/her go
> untill he/she answered your questions , is a dream of every
> reporter/journalist, but there are some legal issues. The cuffed person must
> be notified before the cuffing session is started, else it is as illegal as
> holding someone hostage! Therefor i think the producers of the show told
> julia they going to cuff her, and she didn't like that at all..... and with
> a little drama she ran to the police station.. trying to make this story in
> favorite of scientology...
>
Well, cuffing sombody to yourself is a bit more of a gray area. but I
can understand her running for cover. Trouble is, thats a retarded
reaction. All she had to do was say no and promise to sue. End of
game :)
Bruticus Anonymous
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l.l.lipshitz
wrote in <d81a46db-6700-4884...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
[...]
| Well, cuffing sombody to yourself is a bit more of a gray area. but I
| can understand her running for cover. Trouble is, thats a retarded
| reaction. All she had to do was say no and promise to sue. End of
| game :)
well, i guess i don't have the sense of humor that
you do. if strangers walked up to me, even with
cameras and even asking my permission to be cuffed,
i would certainly not consider running for cover to
be 'retarded'. running (and screaming!) is one of the
things that women are taught in self-defense classes.
why is that lulzy?
i am not familiar with that tv show or how they
approach their 'victims' so perhaps i am overreacting.
however, i've never been a fan of 'candid camera'
type set-ups or most practical jokes so call me a
stick-in-the-mud.
--
-elle
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those are my principles and if you don't
like them...well, i have others. -gm
Fredric L. Rice
>Well, the person I spoke on the phone when I called the KRO (producing
>broadcaster) confirmed there was an incident with Julia Rijnvis. So it
>DID happen as described.
I don't believe it for a second. There would have been news coverage
about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.
---
peters...@gmail.com
Fredric L. Rice
>Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
>been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
There is no significant difference insofar as the kidnapping and
imprisonment criminal acts are concerned. If this stunt had actually
happened, it would have been screamed on the mainstream media around
the world. Had it happened in Los Angeles, the stupid moron trying
to handcuff a Scientology crime boss would have been shot -- either
by citizens trying to save the kidnap victim or by police who just
_love_ to kill people for sport and just _itch_ for a reason.
>The formula of this program is that the reporter stays attached to
>the person until he gives answers to questions he usually refuse
>to give.
That's insane, not to mention criminal. The "reporter" would deserve
a knife in the guts for such a stupid, violently criminal act.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>Piltdown Man wrote:
>> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
>> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
>> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV station).
That doesn't make kidnapping and imprisonment acceptable -- either in
the eyes of the law or in the eyes of polite society (which aren't
always the same thing.)
What's bizarre is the _why_ the KRO idiots thought they could get away
with something like this (if it happened at all.) Good fucking grief.
Imagine some Coca Cola salesmen also handcuffing people and interrogating
them -- it's such a stupid, stupid, criminal move, one that deserves a
violent defense by its victims.
---
peters...@gmail.com
Luckily we live in a country where the police isn't trigger happy, and
no people carry guns.
I do remember however student pranks that looked like a kidnapping and
where the students were arrested. But In those cases there was no
camera crew around, and the students were masked with balaclava's.
I see a slight difference here.
peters...@gmail.com
It seems you don't watch television much these days: There are plenty
programs like this one today on the tubes.
Hendrik Jan de Fluiter
"Jeta" <je...@xs4all.nl> schreef in bericht
news:2148009.MOZdT33Pou@linux-is-stable-and-free...
>
> Piltdown Man wrote:
>
>> <annoying crosspost once more deleted>
>
> [Deleted appropriate newsgroups added]
>
>
> [...]
>
>> As long as one of the people carrying out such activities has a
>> videocamera so that it can be shown on TV later it's all
>> perfectly legal, and the Dutch police won't lift a finger.
>
> Julia Rijnvis knew she was being interviewed by KRO (national TV
> station).
>
> And indeed, Dutch police did nothing. The TV crew even followed and
> filmed her inside the police station where she filed a complaint.
>
>
> [...]
>
>> Because that is exactly what the people you describe as
>> being from a KRO TV programme would be, if they did the things
>> you [Peter] claim they did: a criminal gang. What's more, a gang
>> that carried out their criminal activities in broad daylight,
>> right on the doorstep of the Amsterdam police headquarters.
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Fredric L. Rice
>> I don't believe it for a second. There would have been news coverage
>> about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.
I don't believe anything.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>On 5 jul, 17:14, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> What's bizarre is the _why_ the KRO idiots thought they could get away
>> with something like this (if it happened at all.) Good fucking grief.
>> Imagine some Coca Cola salesmen also handcuffing people and interrogating
>> them -- it's such a stupid, stupid, criminal move, one that deserves a
>> violent defense by its victims.
>programs like this one today on the tubes.
Such as? You're right, I don't watch television. Commercial television
is tailored toward catering to morons.
---
scientologate
> "Anonymous" <scientologyru...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:44fcdd7e-b2a3-4bf9...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > KRO did this of _their_ own accord. Anon was not involved in this . .
> > they propably read onhttp://www.sektevrij.nl/or
> >http://forums.enturbulation.org/
> > that we were planning a raid.
>
> > I can safely say most Anons were as surprised as the Sci's at the
> > sight of Camera crew and comotion.
>
> This is not what your fellow anonymous "scientologate" said initially in the
> message that started this thread:
>
> "Today anonymous Holland set up an Epic event. For a new TV program "cuffed"
> the Head of OSA was set up to be handcuffed out on the street." ... "Well we
> have to think up a new Epic event now."
Jonnie,
I checked this with some anonymous people and it turned out to be
wrong, sorry about that.
Pieter
P.S. You watched this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7fqjN3qhw
scientologate
Jonnie Tyler
news:a34a877f-dc46-42af...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
No - that was nasty and inappropriate, I would agree.
But the montage is nicely done and the music that goes with it great.
klau...@t-online.de
"Hendrik Jan de Fluiter" <nospam@Fluitenmaar!> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:486fd45a$0$6019$9a62...@news.kpnplanet.nl...
"Orwell" is sick.
Klaus Lynx
Fredric L. Rice
>On 6 jul, 01:09, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> about it all over the world by now if it had actually happened.
>> >Well, then don't believe it.
>> I don't believe anything.
More than fine, not believing anything, relying upon evidence, is the
key to reason -- and a good way to avoid falling for criminal cults.
---
Piltdown Man
<crossposts removed>
peters...@gmail.com wrote...
> On 5 jul, 03:30, "Piltdown Man" <piltd...@ivehaditwiththespam.sorry>
> wrote:
<snip>
> > Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth hidden
> > somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE CUFFED
> > BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
>
> Moron? Did YOU do the effort to phone for information? No.
> Did you speak to anyone from the producing broadcaster? No.
I love observing your back-pedalling. You make a totally outrageous claim:
that an eminently respectable Dutch broadcasting organization like the KRO
sends out gangs of thugs who grab people of the street, handcuff them, and
subject them to forced interrogation in front of TV cameras. The Dutch
police does nothing to stop these activities, even when a victim of it runs
into the headquarters of the Amsterdam police, with the gang of thugs hired
by the KRO pursuing her into the building. And when you're called on this
obvious total bullshit, you expect other people to start wasting time to
come up with evidence that it's total bullshit.
No, I'm not going to make a complete fool of myself by contacting the KRO,
saying: "there's this weird person on the internet who says you kidnap
people off the street, handcuff them, and subject them to forced
interrogation in front of TV cameras, can you confirm or deny that?"
> Do people get jumped upon and handcuffed? No.
Strange, that's exactly what you earlier said is happening on the streets
of Amsterdam as we speak. You even claimed this is "normal", and that
nobody would panic when confronted by such behaviour.
> But are they being handcuffed? YES! By a TV-crew? YES!
And now you're repeating the claim again.
> Had it something to do with Anonymous? No.
You started out this thread by saying these alleged criminal activities
taking place right there in the center of Amsterdam, while apparently
primarily run by the KRO, were also, somehow, set up by "Anonymous".
Piltdown Man
Jeta <je...@xs4all.nl> wrote...
> Piltdown Man wrote:
>
> > <crosspost removed>
>
> [Removed newsgroups added]
<and once again removed>
> > Whatever happened, if there's some tiny little grain of truth
> > hidden somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING
> > TO BE CUFFED BY A TV CREW, you total moron.
>
> Are you so sure about this that you have to shout?
Yes. While shouting doesn't have any real effect of course, some morons are
so annoying that they inspire a good shout among the people they're
exasperating.
> Well then, let
> me tell you something: the TV crew was there to record the event of
> a KRO reporter handcuffing _himself_ to Julia Rijnvis. Julia is
> the director of Scientology's dirty tricks department in the
> Netherlands (called the Office of Special Affairs), the KRO is a
> Dutch national broadcasting corporation.
I know what the KRO is, dear. What you're saying is that they sent out
someone to handcuff Julia Rijnvis against her will. Just wondering, but are
you sure such allegations of criminal activities don't open you up to libel
suits in the Netherlands?
> Have you noticed the difference between handcuffing someone, as has
> been stated before, and handcuffing yourself to someone?
No. Please enlighten us by telling us what specific articles of Dutch law
distinguish between grabbing someone off the street and handcuffing them,
as opposed to grabbing someone off the street and handcuffing *yourself* to
them. It must be an interesting twist to Dutch law that I was hitherto
unaware of.
> The formula of this program is that the reporter stays attached to
> the person until he gives answers to questions he usually refuse
> to give. One could, for example, ask Julia: "is this the core of
> Scientology's secret upper level teachings?" (showing her a print
> of the OT III story), next to a print of a court document where
> Scientology claims to have the copyrights on that story.
Yes dear. We know. In your fantasy version of the Netherlands, TV
broadcasters have the legal right to arrest people, handcuff them, and then
forcibly interrogate them until they tell the "truth" the interrogators
want to hear. Only then will the handcuffs be removed.
Meanwhile, back here on a planet called Earth, there's an entirely
different place called the Netherlands.
> I wonder what your reaction will be when some footage of this event
> shows up on the net. Will you apologize and call yourself a "total
> moron" then?
What does the net have to do with anything? KRO broadcasts its TV
programmes on the three public channels Dutch TV has. I can see all of
their output on my own television. (It's a legal requirement in the
Dutch-speaking part of Belgium for all cable operators to carry those
channels.) So I hope you will keep us all informed about when and on which
channel the KRO will show the footage of their failed attempt to abduct and
handcuff Julia Rijnvis, followed by their pursuit of her into the Amsterdam
police HQ. Who knows, maybe they will cancel one of their early Sunday
morning broadcasts of a Mass to make time for this much more entertaining
footage.
peters...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <crossposts removed>
>
>
>
> peterschi...@gmail.com wrote...
May I point you at the fact that I didn't do the claim at all? That I
didn't start this thread? That I therefor are not back pedaling? That
you really have to read the opening post again, and look who posted
it? That all I did was phone KRO and posted about it? That you don't
look good, accusing me falsely of things I didn't do?
Thank you!
Peter
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
scientologate
Frederic, you got a point here. That was the reason I lost my 300.000
to them :(
Pieter
Rasta Robert
>
><crosspost removed>
>
> peters...@gmail.com wrote...
>
>> I have phoned the KRO, the producer of the show, just a minute ago.
>> The program is still in the developing phase. They are not allowed to
>> give any information. However, when I suggested as to that people were
>> jumped upon and cuffed, he denied it strongly.
>
> The sound you hear is that of a Dutchman on a bicycle, frantically
> back-pedalling.
>
>> My conclusion: Julia Rijnvis at one moment realized she was going to
>> be in a television program, seconds before she was going to be cuffed.
>
> somewhere in your steaming pile of shit, SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE CUFFED BY A
> TV CREW, you total moron.
>
The idea is not even that original, Dutch 'naughty' broadcaster
had something on their internet channel 101.tv, a fan (actually
program maker/journalist) cuffed herself to actor Hugh Grant, she
did however get arrested (and handcuffed) by the police as a result.
Video:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIIGzxTXRUg>
Article:
<http://www.hollywood.com/news/Hugh_Grant_Handcuffed_by_Fan_at_Premiere/3661565>
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Jonnie Tyler
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"But he was the ultimate professional. He just stood in silence and waited
for the firefighters to free him."
Now can you imagine Hugh Grant running and screaming in a nearby police
station dragging the fan with him ;-)