Scientology and Gays
Magoo
Scientology and Gays---so here is my 6 minute talk. If you have anything to
add to it, please do.
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dK-UYjOAs
or if that won't work, try this:
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
and click on 15 videos---it's in their, the first one.
"Scientology and Gays"
It was #1 in education yesterday--and today the # count
is all screwed up, again. grrrrrrrrrr.
My best :)
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
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For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
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& Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
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Skipper
<mag...@charter.net> wrote:
> A few people have written to me asking me to speak about
> Scientology and Gays---so here is my 6 minute talk. If you have anything to
> add to it, please do.
>
> Here ya go:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dK-UYjOAs
>
> or if that won't work, try this:
> www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
>
> and click on 15 videos---it's in their, the first one.
> "Scientology and Gays"
> It was #1 in education yesterday--and today the # count
> is all screwed up, again. grrrrrrrrrr.
When John Travolta got his first three-picture deal his managers, Bob
Lemond and Lois Zetter, were gay. When he got very sick on the set of
Urban Cowboy the auditor who flew out to fix him was Manu Topou, who
was probably bi (I knew Manu pretty well, but not in THAT way). You're
right, whether Travolta is bi or gay, doesn't matter, but the funny
thing is, his registrar at Celebrity Centre all those years when he got
in was Hector Carmona, who was very gay and struggled with it
constantly until he finally left.
Mario Fenninger (concert pianist) and his live-in lover Ian Brooks were
around Celebrity Centre all the time. So was Jimmie Spheeris, who
struggled with being bisexual and got auditing for it.
From what I know, Quentin Hubbard was bi, not completely gay, but then
I don't know from first-hand knowledge about any of them, just what
they told me and what people very close to them (and multiple people)
told me.
One of the biggest Field Staff Members and field auditors in the early
days of Celebrity Centre was a lesbian named Margaret George, who
repeatedly clashed with Yvonne Jentzsch over preying on pretty young
things around CC.
The gay thing has been a BIG thing in $cientology from its beginnings,
and don't forget Elwrong's "rituals" with Jack Parsons, and that the
first Clear, John McMasters, was completely gay.
Isn't it funny that such a lying homophone as Elwrong had a son leave
him over being mistreated for his sexuality,a nd that the Flounder left
behind a cult that has so many gay people?
That's called "KARMA".
>
> My best :)
Beth
> In article <Iymxj.377$bc1....@newsfe06.lga>, Magoo
>
>
>
> <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> > A few people have written to me asking me to speak about
> > Scientology and Gays---so here is my 6 minute talk. If you have anything to
> > add to it, please do.
>
> > Here ya go:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dK-UYjOAs
>
> > or if that won't work, try this:
> >www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
>
> > and click on 15 videos---it's in their, the first one.
> > "Scientology and Gays"
> > It was #1 in education yesterday--and today the # count
> > is all screwed up, again. grrrrrrrrrr.
>
> When John Travolta got his first three-picture deal his managers, Bob
> Lemond and Lois Zetter, were gay. When he got very sick on the set of
> Urban Cowboy the auditor who flew out to fix him was Manu Topou, who
> was probably bi (I knew Manu pretty well, but not in THAT way). You're
> right, whether Travolta is bi or gay, doesn't matter, but the funny
> thing is, his registrar at Celebrity Centre all those years when he got
> in was Hector Carmona, who was very gay and struggled with it
> constantly until he finally left.
>
> Mario Fenninger (concert pianist) and his live-in lover Ian Brooks were
> around Celebrity Centre all the time. So was Jimmie Spheeris, who
> struggled with being bisexual and got auditing for it.
Question 1: So Fenninger was openly gay? What kind of attitude did
others at Celebrity Centre have toward that? Was it generally
accepted? I guess what I'm getting at is, did people simply look the
other way, or was it actually seen as okay, or what?
Question 2: Whatever happened to Jimmie Spheeris? Is he still in?
Beth
Skipper
<9c8e5d55-eb2d-4dff...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Beth <moont...@yahoo.com> wrote:
As open as people were back then, 70s, 80s.
> What kind of attitude did
> others at Celebrity Centre have toward that?
I never heard many people say much about it.
> Was it generally
> accepted? I guess what I'm getting at is, did people simply look the
> other way, or was it actually seen as okay, or what?
It was seen as "aberrated" by the case supervisors such as Don Baaska
and Ray Mithoff who felt "Ron" was against it and that it was "1.1"
(covert hostility tone).
> Question 2: Whatever happened to Jimmie Spheeris? Is he still in?
Killed while riding his motorcyle, hit by a car in Venice, early 90s.
Magoo
"Beth" <moont...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9c8e5d55-eb2d-4dff...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
IF someone is gay in Scientology--just like someone (as I was- with a
Chronic illness)---people either "look the other way"--(pretend it isn't
true), or look down on you. Hubbard said both are 1.1==covertly hostile "The
most insidious tone level of all".
So he HATED gays, and people with illnesses. Why? He couldn't fix either
one, and both were proof Dianetics DIDN'T work, thus he HAD to make them in
a separate catagory.
Question 2: Whatever happened to Jimmie Spheeris? Is he still in?
Jimmy Died years ago---in the early 80's. His music is on the Net--some of
his fans put up a web site, and I believe they still sell his music :)
My best,
Tory/Magoo~~~
Skipper
wrote:
July 4, 1984 was when Jimmie got killed.
The person who put together the reissue of the albums was a great guy
named Johnny Pierce, who also played with Juice Newton a long time.
Johnny died in 2005 - I get the feeling he wasn't into $cientology
then. I also think Nicky Hopkins was working with Johnny when he died
in Nashville, not sure.
Lots of musicians who were in $cientology who died too young.
http://www.jimmiespheeris.com/johnny.html
Magoo
Beth
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dK-UYjOAs
>
> Thought you all might enjoy this.
Thanks, Tory. I had been meaning to watch that but got sidetracked.
Glad you reminded me!
beth
>
> My best to all,
>
> --
> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA Volunteer after 20
> years (Mostly in PR)X-Executive Director of SPL to handle media
> X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what they were really
> doing and soon after left C of S forever.
> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster :)
> & Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
> Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int Mafia)
> or Type in Scientology in Google
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
Black Mamba
On Mar 2, 5:43 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7dK-UYjOAs
>
> Thought you all might enjoy this.
Thanks, Tory. I had been meaning to watch that but got sidetracked.
Glad you reminded me!
beth
She makes a very good point.
Have you met any "OT" lesbians or "OT" homosexuals lately?
It is undoubted that with "LRH's tech" they can fit in undisquised
almost anywhere and "help people get their ethics in".
Larry
rockyslammer
I met John M. before and after. In the late 60's he was the
scientology saint, clear number one. But more than that he was a
terrific speaker and had a charisma that brought thousand of people
into scientology.
Certainly he was gay and certainly he was hounded out of scientology
in the most nasty way imaginable. In fact John never really recovered
in my opinion. I suspect it had more to do with John being so much
more likable than flubbard. As you know flubbard got rid of anyone
and everyone that rose to reasonable height in scientology because of
his perceived threat they posed to him.
Jon Atak and I visited John M. in the 80's and he was in bad shape. I
left the area and I'm really happy that Jon A. got him out and about a
bit before he sadly died. John McMaster deserved so much more.
We will never know now why flubbard really went for John M. Probably
a bit of both. He was gay and he was more popular than flubbard by a
long way.
The difference between John M. as a spokesperson for scientology and
Tom Cruise is astronomical. Cruise comes over as a demented thug
whilst McMaster had the air of a real saint. Of course scientology
has been going down the pan since the 60's but not so fast as now with
Cruise at the PR helm.
Martin