There is a book called "Hollywood and Whine:  The Snippy, Snotty, and
Scandalous Things Stars Say About Each Other" (by Boze Hadleigh) and
the following quote is attributed to Roman Polanski (though it does
not give the source of this quote):

====================

I was not so eager to direct John Travolta, but the deal was an
attractive one . . . . We did have a huge fight.  There is no need for
details.  But it began when I dared to criticize his religion, or
cult."

--Roman Polanski on Scientologist Travolta

====================

Presumably this was when Travolta was supposed to do a film called
"The Double" with Polanski, but then Travolta had a big disagreement
with Polanski about the film and walked off the set and then wound up
getting sued by the movie studio for breach of contract (which was
later settled out of court).

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Polanski had good cause to distrust the Scientology cult, after self-professed
Scientologist Charles Manson and his brainwashed "Family" murdered his wife
Sharon Tate and others.

http://members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/manson.html
snip>
On August 9, a Manson hit team raided the home of movie director Roman
Polanski, slaughtering Polanski's wife - pregnant actress Sharon Tate
- and four of her guests: Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, Voytek
Frykowski, and Steven Parent. The following night, Manson's "creepy
crawlers" killed and mutilated another couple, Leno and Rosemary
LaBianca, in their Los Angeles home."
{end}

My father once received a haircut from Jay Sebring himself back in the
early 60's. I remember him saying before going that Jay had promised
to make what was remaining of his more than balding head look like a
"forest" once Jay got through with him. If memory serves, Jay charged
a whopping fifty dollars for a personal cut which would be like having
a five hundred dollar haircut today, so my family had our attention on
my fathers head to see what this 'wizard of hair' could do to create
more croppage, as a cut. When my father arrived home after the cut his
head looked like a weaved birds nest in the beginnings that tried to
look 60's 'modern' for the Gillette 'upcoming executive', which was
anything but him as a conservative businessman from the 1940's
generation. My mother saw to it that he never went back again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jay was a client of my fathers for him to
even go in the first place because my Dad wasn't a 'hipster' hanging
out in 'hipster' crowds. I never found out if he was a client, but
knowing my Dad, he probably was.

Tragic what happened at Tate/LaBianca and I remember the period well,
almost as if it were yesterday. I never saw such pitbull determination
in the form of Bugliosi to 'get his man' as a prosecutor. The guy was
an animal, and still is.

http://members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/manson.html
snip>
Jay Sebring - Professional hairstylist and owner of Sebring
International, ex-fiance of Sharon Tate, friend of Tate and Polanski.
It is believed Sebring and Frykowski struggled with their killers
before being subdued: Stabbed 7 times, shot once. 3 of these stab
wounds alone, as well as the gunshot wound, were sufficient to cause
death. Cause of death: Exsanguination - Sebring literally bled to
death."

http://www.cielodrive.com/victims/kummer/
Jay Sebring bio snip>
After serving four years in the Navy, Kummer moved to Los Angeles and
changed his name to Jay Sebring, taking the name from the famous
Florida car race. In California, Sebring developed a unique style of
cutting hair, which helped launch the male hair care revolution. He
opened one of the first male salons in the United States and quickly
made a name for himself. His client list included big Hollywood names
such as Warren Beatty, Steve McQueen, and Paul Newman. At Kirk
Douglas' request Sebring was hired to design a haircut for the slaves
in the movie Spartacus. This added attention brought in a steady flow
of contracts from different movie studios. He fit in well in
Hollywood; Friends, acquaintances, and clients remembered him as being
a kind, thoughtful man with sophisticated taste. He was insecure about
things such as his short stature. However it was those insecurities
that fueled his attention to style. Whether it was his fashionable
clothes or the cars he drove; he always seemed to put time and effort
into his appearance. In October of 1960 he became a husband, his wife
was a model named Cami, their brief relationship came to an unofficial
end when the two separated in August of 1963.

Helter Skelter:
http://www.cielodrive.com/helterskelter/

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Charles was a clam? I had no idea, can you provide any more information about
this?

Too bad Polanski's a pedophile, or he'd be a pretty swell guy.

Epoch

 A pedophile is someone into babies and small children-pre-pubescent.
Polanski is not.  He fucked a 13 year old, which is wrong, but she was
a fully developed, menstruating (not apparently at that time) sexually
mature-biologically-female. It's a question of "malum prohibitum"
rather than "malum in se". I'm not defending what he did, but it's
well known he fled the country because the judge announced, while
urinating, that he planned to fuck Polanski over in a big way after he
and the DA agreed on an appropriate punishment. Polanski has suffered
enough for an episode of bad judgment and everyone but a few fundies
and ass-showers knows it.

On 1 Jul 2004 19:46:43 -0700, larboar...@hotmail.com (Ted Azito)
wrote:

Agreed, and I don't think that Roman will do anything like that again;
he has been married to his current wife, actress Emmanuelle Seigner,
for about 15 years now and they have two kids and he seems to have a
stable, happy family life now.

And the young girl involved in the case, who is now a wife and mother
in her late 30s, doesn't seem to have any negative feelings towards
Roman, and even wrote an op-ed piece in the LA Times in early 2003
(shortly after Roman's film "The Pianist" received multiple Academy
Award moninations) saying people should judge "The Pianist" by the
film's merits alone and not by what happened to her 25 years ago (and
apparently the Academy members must have taken her advice, since "The
Pianist" won three major Oscars, including Roman for Best Director).

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On 1 Jul 2004 19:46:43 -0700, larboar...@hotmail.com (Ted Azito) wrote
in <b53da461.0407011846.7ea39...@posting.google.com>:

After Polanski left the US, that judge had to recuse himself...
(Polanski had served 40+ days jail for "evaluation") The next judge was
Breckenridge, who said he wouldn't sentence him in absentia. Small
world!

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I can't answer for the girl Polanski raped and sodomised, but if it were me,
after 30 years I'd be wishing it would all go away and leave me alone. If it
meant saying publicly that I was over it, then I'd say it. So long as the
media stopped dredging it up each time Polanski did something.

He might be happily settled in Europe, but what he did was still a mongrel
act.

biscuit.

news:qKbFc.75149$sj4.890@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Then don't.

In article<b53da461.0407011846.7ea39...@posting.google.com>, Ted Azito

 Isn't it unfortunate that when someone criticised Scientology
 over a major matter i.e. one of their members being a multiple
 killer, that suddenly discussion got (successfully) diverted
 into "discussing his own crimes" rather than Scientology.

 Could someone re-post the basic material on Manson and Scientology,
 so we can have a discussion on the issue which matters? We seem to
 have lost our way a bit at the moment. It is arguable how much CofS
 had to do with Manson or how much he just wormed himself into Scn,
 but the debate is worth having.

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Please don't give me that bullshit, I'm not trying to divert the topic like the
OSA goons do, I was just bringing it up because it's the first thing that came
to my mind. Because while I love all his movies i'm not a big fan of Polanski
personally.

 I was also wondering about Charles Manson, I didn't know he was a
Scientologist...

So, go on, please keep discussing the rest of this story, and if you're going
to be suspicious of me Dave, then why don't you tell it to my face what you
think about me instead of gossiping?

Epoch.

In article<20040714213722.25456.00001...@mb-m29.aol.com>, Epoch II

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/scientology-manson-family.htm

More on Charles Manson as a Scientologist. Something the cult wants to
hide...

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Scientology
From: ?Anti-Cult? - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galactic.Federatio
n...@ThePentagon.com>
Subject: More on Charles Manson as a Scientologist. Something the cult
wants to hide...
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:57:35 +0100
Message-ID: <ijidato3ujffcfi7ce4028s1f6vqmhbk60@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Sur
veillance>

From: http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/docs/manson.html
GS-C Comm
GS-G 22 June 70
D/G Intell U.S.
Dear Mary Sue, COMPLIANCE REPORT RE: MANSON, BRUCE DAVIS There have been
numerous new developments on this case and they are as follows.

An individual by the name of Steve Grogen appeared on our lines (PM). I
received word that he had made statements that he was a member of
Mansons family and therefore started some intell.

action, which at first consisted of talking to the girls he had been in
contact with. By the time I had finished talking to them Grogen had been
put away in jail for car theft. In spite of numerous efforts on our part
it was impossible to get together with him. I had the girl he seemed to
be most in comm with, journey out to the valley on four different
occasions to talk to him and in spite of our best efforts he was never
made available. He was either "in court" or the jail was undergoing
extensive re- decoration. Of course we did not want it known that a
member of The Church was trying to see him. At the same time this was
going on we received word that two members of the Manson Family "squeeky
Frome" and "Sandy Goode" were staying at the Viking Motel on 3rd and
Alverado which is in close proximity to the org. We made no efforts to
contactthem.

On 18 June 80 the following report was received by me.

Report of interview with Raul Morales, Re: Charles Manson.

According to Raul: Raul arrived in prison on McNeil Island, Washington
in 1962 and became a cell mate of Lafayette Raimer allegedly a trained
Scientology auditor (about Level I in Raul's estimation) and was
introduced to Scientology at that time. Raimer was auditing in prison at
that time and in one 10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about
7, all in Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO
etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 hours of
auditing from Raimer. Processes used were CCH's, Help processes (Who
have you helped-Who have you not helped) and other Dichotomy processes
(Rauls terms, such as What can you confront, what would you rather not
confront), Havingness (Such as "What can you have?" "Look around and
find something you can have. Look around and find something you're not
in." Rainer kept recor records of his auditing. Manson got super-
energetic & flipped out when he'd been audited and would, for a time,
talk about nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his
company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away from
his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run or
something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- nement
to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials got suspicious
of the groups strange activities and broke up the group. Subsequently,
Raul was released from the prison in 1965.

Raimer's wife was in training here at the L.A. Org in 1965-66; she had
disconnected from Raimer. Raul just found out yesterday that another
friend, Marvin White, later sent Manson books (after the Scientology
group was broken up) on hypnotism and black magic,

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From: ?Anti-Cult? - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <The.Galactic.Federatio
n...@ThePentagon.com>
Subject: More on Charles Manson as a Scientologist.
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:00:42 +0100
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veillance>
From: http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/deaths/uwc/helter.txt
From Bugliosi HELTER SKELTER -- page 647 On November 21, 1969, the
bodies of James Sharp, fiften, and Dorren Gaul, nineteen, were found in
an alley in downtown Los Angeles. The two teen-agers had been killed
elsewhere with a long-bladed kniife or bayonet, then dumped there. Each
had been stabbed over fifty times.
Ramparts division Leiutenant Earl Deemer investigated the Sharp-Gaul
murders, as did Los Angeles Times reporter Cohen. Although the two men
felt there was a good possibility that a Familty member was involved in
the slayings, the murders remain unsolved.

Both James Sharp and Doreen Gaul were Scientologists, the latter a
Scientology "clear" who had been residing in a Church of Scientology
house. According to unconfirmed reports, Doreen Gaul was a former girl
friend of Manson Family member Bruce Davis, himself an ex-Scientologist.

Davis' whereabouts at the times of the murders of Sharp, Gaul and Jane
Doe 59 are not known. He disappeared shortly after being questioned in
connection with the death of Zero.

On December 1, 1969, Joel Dean Pugh, husband of Family member Sandy
Good, was found with his throat slit in a London hotel room. As noted,
local police ruled the death a suicide. On learning of Pugh's demise,
Inyo County DA Frank Fowles made official inquiries, specifically asking
Interpol to check visas to detrmine if one Bruce Davis was in England at
the time.

Scotland Yard replied as follows: "It has been established that Davis is
recorded as embarking at London airport for the United States of America
on 25th April 1969 while holding United States passport 612 2568. At
this time he gave his address as Dormer Cottage, Felbridge, Surrey. This
address is owned by the Scientology Movement and houses followers of
this organization."
From Paulette Cooper THE SCANDAL OF SCIENTOLOGY p105 Another bit of
publicity that the Scientologists are probably not too pleased with
concerns the murder of three people in Los Angeles. Two were
Scientologists.

According to *The New York Post*, all three were brutal- ly beaten,
ritualistically stabbed, had their right eyes cut out, and were dumped
100 yards from a Scientology commune. One of the girls, Miss Doreen
Gaul, nine- teen, who came from New York to study Scientology, was naked
except for a strand of Indian beads. The boy, James Sharpe was fifteen
years old. The third was un- identified. Doreen Gaul's father allegedly
told a *New York Post* reporter that she had lately become disen-
chanted with Scientology.

She was not the only one. For the past fourteen years, John McMasters,
the first Scientology clear, ap- pears to have been groomed by Hubbard
to take his place when he dies. McMasters recently wrote a letter to
Hubbard, and sent copies to "suppressives" and Scientology enemies.
Although McMasters declared that "I shall never withdraw my allegiance
to Ron or Scientology" he announced that he was leaving Hub- bard's
ships to spread Scientology in Africa, because of his "horror at what
such people on the Sea Org could do to mankind." He criticized Hubbard
and Scientology for their "savage and vicious ethics" and seemed partic-
ularly disturbed over the death of the three Los Angeles teen-agers.
Their deaths may have partially precipitated McMasters' decision to
dissociate himself from certain aspects of Scientology. "Somehow we are
violating our basic ethics for such things to happen to us," he wrote.
"These last two ghastly murders of our students, one of whom is a clear,
need never have hap- pened if we hadn't been mocking up [making] enemies
so solidly." - Page 105

(more on google if you look)

http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci653.htm

http://members.aol.com/shockcin/manson.html

http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/docs/manson.html

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/serial-killers/charles-manson/

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:52:06 +0100, Dave Bird

[snip]

I found this post in Deja News which has a number of excerpts from the
book "Helter Skelter" (the book by Vincent Bugliosi, the DA who
prosecuted Manson and other members of Manson's "Family" for the
Tate-LaBianca murders) and some other books.  The post is available
at:

http://tinyurl.com/3wllj

But briefly, according to the "Helter Skelter" book, Manson got
involved with Scn whlle in prison about 1961 (?), being introduced to
it by another prisoner.  Manson claimed to have reached its (then)
highest level, "theta clear". Manson follower Charles "Tex" Watson
claimed that in the summer of 1968, he and Manson went to an org in
Los Angeles and Manson asked the receptionist "What do you do after
'clear'?", and when the receptionist couldn't tell him anything he
hadn't already done, he left.

Another Manson follower, Bruce Davis, also was involved in Scn.
Incidentally, in November 1969, two Scientologists were found murdered
in an alley in Los Angeles; the case apparently hasn't been solved,
but one of the victims was an ex-girlfriend of Davis.  Davis
disappeared shortly after (after being questioned about another
murder).

Hopefully some other critics can post some more information about the
Scn/Manson connection (or maybe repost some of their ARS posts about
Manson).

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He wasn't. He got a few auditing sessions from another inmate and
former infiltrator of Scientology. The SEGNPMSS organized that. They
want the wildest and most lawless people to be associated with
Scientology, to ruin its reputation, that is why they set such things
up.

Manson is nothing but a remote controlled SEGNPMSSrobot and actually
everything a Scientologist is NOT.

Barbara Schwarz