Chattanooga - Barbara Schwarz's submarine village under the Great Salt Lake
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> I never made "wild accusations". Your postings are on 1.1.. With a
> hidden knife, you attack me in your postings and try to get away with
> it. I don't like people who are on 1.1.
1.1 is a Scientology term. I'm trying to get at the facts, evaluating
information and making a conclusion.
> If you would have read what I wrote about the submarine village, you
> would not post about ocean submarines, as I never wrote about ocean
> subs.
Well, the Great Salt Lake is pretty salty, more so than open ocean.
It would stand to reason that any sub that could go into the GSL would
do perfectly well in ocean.
But this begs the question, why do you need submarines in the GSL.
Subs are used for either stealth or exploration, and the GSL is so
shallow, greatest depth 40 feet, you can just use some snorkel gear,
or scuba gear.
> I lived in a submarine village for the first years of my life. It was
> a very beautiful village with a slow train going from station to
> station, very green, very beautiful. It was under water for security
> and health reasons (e.g. no dust and contamination, etc.).
This doesn't sound practical. If it's a civilian operation, why the
security?
Also, where does the green come from if it's under water? Do they
generate power to provide grow lamps? Do they burn coal, use hydro,
or nuclear? Why would a self enclosed environment be healthier?
It would be more practical to go underground or drill into a mountain,
and even then, even then it would not be practical to grow plants.
And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
why do they need subs?
> It is a village. It has little houses and trees. It Iooks like a huge
> country club NOT like a military submarine. It has no skyscrapers.
Well, it's under the Salt Lake... which well... why dedicate all this
space to build houses? Keep in mind in the deepest parts you only
have 40feet to work with. A house in an open air environment is the
least practical.
> You don't get it. THE SUBMARINE VILLAGE DID NOT HAD ANY MILITARY
> PURPOSE. IT WAS A PLACE TO LIVE.
That sort of venture you really need the government backing. It would
be just to massive a project for your average civilian outfit. It
would be a huge expense to build a city underwater even at
20-40feet.
> I assume that you never swam in the GSL. It is hard to get down there
> without weights on your legs as the water keeps you at the surface.
Use a rock. FYI I have actually swam in the GSL. It's nice, I like
it. I can't say I noticed any subs.
> Of course nothing will change my mind, as I saw it, I was down there,
> you don't.
You seem to be the only one who was down there. Now there are
compounds in the Salt Flats of Utah. They tunnel into the salt to
provide space to dispose of nuclear waste, as well as doing testing.
This could be seen as mini cities, but this is a case where there is a
practical application, building in a place where nuclear accidents
would have a minimal effect on the local population, and less locals
to complain.
> You can't convince me. You are like one of the Spaniards who never
> were in America who told Christopher Columbus (after he returned from
> America) how America looks like...
Columbus thought he was in the East Indies. He thought that for a few
voyages. But in his case, he travelled about 3000 miles, and brought
back spices, gold, and I presume marijuana. There was hard evidence
he traveled somewhere, just not to the East Indies.
You claim to have grown up in an underwater INLAND submarine base,
where there is no evidence to this day that it exists. There is no
one else who talks about it, you can't find massive power cables to
power this underwater arboretum, no evidence of a train route that
goes under the lake, and no one in all these years have spotted any of
these submarines in a lake with an average depth of 20feet.
The case against Chattanooga is strong. But if you want to putter
around the lake in a rowboat, get your self a GPS and get an
underwater camera, microphone, metal detector, feel free. I'd be most
pleased to be wrong on this issue. Your story is unlikely.
If kids were permitted there, and if it was just a place to live,
people tend to talk about things, even super secret things.
> Right, by reading your posting, I am thinking the same that CC was
> thinking when such guys knew everything better without ever being
> there.
Respectfully, since you are the only one that claims existence of
Chattanooga, odds are it's a figment of your imagination.
1) There is no practical reason to have subs in a shallow lake with
no outlet
2) It's very cost prohibitive to build under water
3) There is no evidence of anything you would need to make an
underwater village work
So we must look at your claims and consider the following
1) It's a government conspiracy to cover up Chattanooga
2) Chattanooga under the GSL does not exist.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
> My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
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Askren
Has this shit been posted on Enturb yet? If not, it's going on Enturb.
This is too fucking funny.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Has this shit been posted on Enturb yet? If not, it's going on Enturb.
> This is too fucking funny.
It's not there that I can see. She's not even gotten into the story
of the evil nazi psychiatrists who kidnapped her as a child and took
her to Germany.. This is a group known as the "Still Existing German
Nazi Psychiatrists' Mindcontroller Secret Service" (SEGNPMSS)." if not
by Barbara than everyone else. They have vays of making you talk
about your mother.
But I'm not addressing that. After the war there were a number of
Nazi POWs released after the war, and those POWs who were converted.
While far fetched, Nazis did exist. I'm just addressing the
unlikelihood of sub village Chattanooga. If it did exist, it would be
the only successful biodome projects known, the sort of thing that
would get huge grants even if it's a tad impractical to putter around
the Salt Lake in a submarine.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:31 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > I never made "wild accusations". Your postings are on 1.1.. With a
> > hidden knife, you attack me in your postings and try to get away with
> > it. I don't like people who are on 1.1.
>
> 1.1 is a Scientology term. I'm trying to get at the facts, evaluating
> information and making a conclusion.
Right, L. Ron Hubbard's explains on the tonescale about tonelevel 1.1.
You better get used to it as it is science. It will stay around, and
the entire world will be able to discover people that are low on the
tonescale, which means, they will be less disappointed in others as
they are able to figure out who they can trust and not.
>
> > If you would have read what I wrote about the submarine village, you
> > would not post about ocean submarines, as I never wrote about ocean
> > subs.
>
> Well, the Great Salt Lake is pretty salty, more so than open ocean.
> It would stand to reason that any sub that could go into the GSL would
> do perfectly well in ocean.
>
> But this begs the question, why do you need submarines in the GSL.
> Subs are used for either stealth or exploration, and the GSL is so
> shallow, greatest depth 40 feet, you can just use some snorkel gear,
> or scuba gear.
Panda, what don't you want to understand? The village was build
centuries ago under the surface of the water as AN ALTERNATIVE AND
HEALTHIER WAY TO LIVE, not to shot any missiles.
Again, it was build centuries ago mainly for the following reasons:
No outside pollution, to preserve health and youth and as secure place
for its residents (It is now 2008, and you guys still doubt its
existence, which means, it is very secure).
I swam a couple of times in the GSL. You can't dive there as the water
doesn't allow you to get down. Is that so hard to understand? You need
special equipment that pulls you down. (However, if there is a
twister, you can drown in the GSL, as you suffocate on the waves that
spill in your face.) But you can't dive to the ground.
>
> > I lived in a submarine village for the first years of my life. It was
> > a very beautiful village with a slow train going from station to
> > station, very green, very beautiful. It was under water for security
> > and health reasons (e.g. no dust and contamination, etc.).
>
> This doesn't sound practical. If it's a civilian operation, why the
> security?
Because of the p$ychs and their agents. The German secret service (run
secretly by German p$ychs) hate Jews, Marty's family, L. Ron Hubbard,
Dwight David Eisenhower and won't let them live in peace. The village
is a great place to live but it is also infiltrated. I was lured by a
woman out of the village in age of 4, and she was a resident of the
village. She turned me over to the German secret service who kidnapped
me to Germany.
I was born many years after Hitler was allegedly defeated, but I met
so many still active Nazis in Germany that I can say that the Nazis
are not gone and still operate on 3rd Reich activities.
Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
the Nazis.
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One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we
must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our
own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a
Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations
can offer in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary
by KIDNAPPING THEIR CHILDREN AND RAISING THEM WITH US.
Whether
nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only
in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise,
it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall
down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest
me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished.
We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary,
that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world
who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a
decent attitude towards these human animals...
Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler
October 4, 1943
Poznan
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>
> Also, where does the green come from if it's under water?
You take healthy seeds and plant them in a clean environment, they
they grow, then you harvest.
>Do they
> generate power to provide grow lamps? Do they burn coal, use hydro,
> or nuclear? Why would a self enclosed environment be healthier?
Yes, there was light down there. But no huge power station. Rather
small generators.
Why closed environment would be healthier? Because Chernobyl and other
environmental disasters won't get to you. Allergies won't get you
either.
Did you ever go in the forest (where air allegedly is the healthiest)
and looked against the sun and did you see all the contaminants in the
air? That is what you breathe in. And gazillions of germs you don't
even see with the bare eye. Why would anybody not want to live
cleaner?
Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
healthy and young.
You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
outside. It is paradise, Panda, and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard
said that too.
You die in average of 70s on the surface of the Earth, and you feel
and look rather bad at the end of these 70 years. If you would move
today in such a village, you would not age a day. You could live
forever by feeling and looking young.
Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
ARS poster, which tells me that they either have a death wish or think
they don't deserve staying young and healthy.
>
> It would be more practical to go underground or drill into a mountain,
> and even then, even then it would not be practical to grow plants.
The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
(However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
village.
>
> And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> why do they need subs?
In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
lived, I could see the market place but it was
a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
around the village.
It had hundred of residents.
One reason why they didn't talk about it much on the outside is
because they didn't want it overrun by curious people.
Who wouldn't want to see it.
>
> > It is a village. It has little houses and trees. It Iooks like a huge
> > country club NOT like a military submarine. It has no skyscrapers.
>
> Well, it's under the Salt Lake... which well... why dedicate all this
> space to build houses? Keep in mind in the deepest parts you only
> have 40feet to work with. A house in an open air environment is the
> least practical.
The village is occupied by many different families. (As I recall many
Mormons were there.)
You want your own house to raise your family and have some privacy. If
you don't have any walls, anybody can see you when you dress and
undress or love your partner. That's why you want a house.
But the windows were more decorative than as protection of rain of
something. But you could sleep on your padio. It was just as safe and
clean as in your bedroom.
>
> > You don't get it. THE SUBMARINE VILLAGE DID NOT HAD ANY MILITARY
> > PURPOSE. IT WAS A PLACE TO LIVE.
>
> That sort of venture you really need the government backing.
I agree. They had the government backing.
> It would
> be just to massive a project for your average civilian outfit. It
> would be a huge expense to build a city underwater even at
> 20-40feet.
It is huge.
>
> > I assume that you never swam in the GSL. It is hard to get down there
> > without weights on your legs as the water keeps you at the surface.
>
> Use a rock.
Lol. A rock? I can't carry a rock that is so heavy that it would pull
me down.
>FYI I have actually swam in the GSL. It's nice, I like
> it. I can't say I noticed any subs.
You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
supported by wood. Beautiful.
>
> > Of course nothing will change my mind, as I saw it, I was down there,
> > you don't.
>
> You seem to be the only one who was down there.
I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
raised in this village.
I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
but avoided
to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
> Now there are
> compounds in the Salt Flats of Utah. They tunnel into the salt to
> provide space to dispose of nuclear waste, as well as doing testing.
> This could be seen as mini cities, but this is a case where there is a
> practical application, building in a place where nuclear accidents
> would have a minimal effect on the local population, and less locals
> to complain.
The State of Utah protested against storage of nuclear waste in the
GSL.
This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
under water.
>
> > You can't convince me. You are like one of the Spaniards who never
> > were in America who told Christopher Columbus (after he returned from
> > America) how America looks like...
>
> Columbus thought he was in the East Indies. He thought that for a few
> voyages. But in his case, he travelled about 3000 miles, and brought
> back spices, gold, and I presume marijuana.
That might be right.
> There was hard evidence
> he traveled somewhere, just not to the East Indies.
I have hard evidence. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
village.
>
> You claim to have grown up in an underwater INLAND submarine base,
> where there is no evidence to this day that it exists.
No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
grow up in this place.
I was kidnapped from this place.
It is a similar lies as the one that says that I should have said that
Marty is the secret heir of the de Rothschild fortune. I don't know
anything about any fortune and it makes no sense. Why would Marty as
the son of the Anmerican family branch de Rothschild be the SECRET and
not official heir?
And who says that he ever inherits? If his parents remain in the
village, they can live forever, and I wish it to them with all my
heart.
But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly repeated.
> There is no
> one else who talks about it, you can't find massive power cables to
> power this underwater arboretum,
It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
a thing. But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the
mainland. But I didn't find it.
GSL is huge.
> no evidence of a train route that
> goes under the lake, and no one in all these years have spotted any of
> these submarines in a lake with an average depth of 20feet.
The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
water, it is in the village.
>
> The case against Chattanooga is strong. But if you want to putter
> around the lake in a rowboat, get your self a GPS and get an
> underwater camera, microphone, metal detector, feel free. I'd be most
> pleased to be wrong on this issue. Your story is unlikely.
I have quite some fantasy. But this village goes beyond my fantasy. It
is real as I remember it.
I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
the inside of this village by recalling it. We even had a swimming
pool. It is the most beautiful place that I ever saw.
>
> If kids were permitted there, and if it was just a place to live,
> people tend to talk about things, even super secret things.
It is a beautiful place, they have a high school there. The kids don't
want to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
No, some secrets, just as ear implants are hushed up forever.
>
> > Right, by reading your posting, I am thinking the same that CC was
> > thinking when such guys knew everything better without ever being
> > there.
>
> Respectfully, since you are the only one that claims existence of
> Chattanooga, odds are it's a figment of your imagination.
Feel free to believe. The village exists as I lived in it.
>
> 1) There is no practical reason to have subs in a shallow lake with
> no outlet
Outlet? They found safe and clean ways to get rid of waste. Remember,
when I was kidnapped, I was a little girl.
You don't think much like an engineer in that age but I recalled that
the village moved rather mechanical over the lake ground
not with gas.
> 2) It's very cost prohibitive to build under water
True. But I never claimed that it was build by poor people. However,
the not poor people were very generous to the not rich people. Anybody
was welcome to settle in the village as long the person came with good
intentions.
The Scientology orgs could and should build such villages.
> 3) There is no evidence of anything you would need to make an
> underwater village work
Huh?
>
> So we must look at your claims and consider the following
>
> 1) It's a government conspiracy to cover up Chattanooga
There is a German p$ychiatric conspiracy that does not want me to find
the village. These guys don't want you to stay young and healthy
either. The existence of this way of live is withheld also from most
others.
However, I bet the content of the world bank on that the top
controllers of the German secret service build themselves also such
villages (bunkers) and that they - unless us - stay young and healthy
as their bunkers build after the same system of the village protects
their lives.
> 2) Chattanooga under the GSL does not exist.
It does. It exists a 100 %. I never was more sure about anything than
this.
Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> > My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Right, L. Ron Hubbard's explains on the tonescale about tonelevel 1.1.
> You better get used to it as it is science. It will stay around, and
> the entire world will be able to discover people that are low on the
> tonescale, which means, they will be less disappointed in others as
> they are able to figure out who they can trust and not.
The tone scale is only used in Scientology. It has no basis in fact
as seen by the recent video on sexuality and the tone scale. Further,
you use 1.1 on the tone scale to refer to people who disagree with
you. You should also note that homosexuals are automatically low on
the tone scale, as well as women who don't act like Hubbard thinks
women should act.
> Panda, what don't you want to understand? The village was build
> centuries ago under the surface of the water as AN ALTERNATIVE AND
> HEALTHIER WAY TO LIVE, not to shot any missiles.
Built centuries ago? By whom? I have great respect for native
American people, but Kivas of that area are a far cry from an
underwater complex. The Americans simply didn't have the technology
required. To build a complex like you describe you need
1) Artificial light
2) O2 scrubbers
3) Industrialization
It would be a feat by today's standards, though not impossible.
Now... microorganism are important. There are so many that we and
plants go-depend on that you can't haphazardly get rid of them all and
live in a sterilized environment. In fact, that's the issue with
building a truly self sufficient moonbase. They could build close to
the poles where getting sunlight isn't an issue, but what they don't
understand is what microorganizams are needed to build a self
sufficient biodome.
> Again, it was build centuries ago mainly for the following reasons:
> No outside pollution, to preserve health and youth and as secure place
> for its residents (It is now 2008, and you guys still doubt its
> existence, which means, it is very secure).
Centuries ago there was NOT an issue with pollution. Also if it was
so secure, how were you kidnapped by Nazi psychologists after the
war?
> I swam a couple of times in the GSL. You can't dive there as the water
> doesn't allow you to get down. Is that so hard to understand? You need
> special equipment that pulls you down. (However, if there is a
> twister, you can drown in the GSL, as you suffocate on the waves that
> spill in your face.) But you can't dive to the ground.
The special equipment is called a weight belt, and it's standard
gear. If you don't have one, you can use a rock. Diving into the
water does require a strong swimmer but it's not impossible without
"special equipment".
> Because of the p$ychs and their agents. The German secret service (run
> secretly by German p$ychs) hate Jews, Marty's family, L. Ron Hubbard,
> Dwight David Eisenhower and won't let them live in peace. The village
> is a great place to live but it is also infiltrated. I was lured by a
> woman out of the village in age of 4, and she was a resident of the
> village. She turned me over to the German secret service who kidnapped
> me to Germany.
Four year olds don't have the memory or the cognitive skills to have
this sort of recall with any sort of accuracy.
> I was born many years after Hitler was allegedly defeated, but I met
> so many still active Nazis in Germany that I can say that the Nazis
> are not gone and still operate on 3rd Reich activities.
Allegedly? Ummm, Germany surrendered and Hitler shot him self. Now I
would agree there are people who still subscribe to the Nazi ideals,
many were POWs of the war who either were NAZIs or became nazified.
But these neo-nazies are considered to be a bunch of kooks with no
real political power.
> Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
> insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
> the Nazis.
Who, where?
<snip>
> > Also, where does the green come from if it's under water?
>
> You take healthy seeds and plant them in a clean environment, they
> they grow, then you harvest.
Plants need sunlight. Where does this sunlight come from?
> Yes, there was light down there. But no huge power station. Rather
> small generators.
Small generators? To power an underground village large enough for a
train, and houses, and trees not getting natural sunlight? If they
were looking for a healthier way to live, and must live underground,
it would stand to reason that they would plant on the surface and
import foods underground.
> Why closed environment would be healthier? Because Chernobyl and other
> environmental disasters won't get to you. Allergies won't get you
> either.
But you can't run a generator in a closed environment without
polluting it. You "could" take air from the outside, and funnel it
back out, but there would be evidence of this, in the form of
snorkels. If this existed centuries ago, how the living hell did
they get O2 down there? You need a ton of trees or O2 scrubbers,
which to be fair I believe you can bubble air through limestone water,
but centuries ago? Again I have respect for Native American peoples
but they didn't really have things like beasts of burden or a use for
the wheel, let alone evidence of any complex gear or pulley system.
This also presumes some understanding of chemistry which was limited
centuries ago. The first experiments in 02 scrubbers I believe were
1862 with the USS Monitor of the civil war, and even that was an
advanced design not seen on the prior attempt the Alligator.
Now, you might be able to get away with a ton of blue green algae, but
they need sunlight.
> Did you ever go in the forest (where air allegedly is the healthiest)
> and looked against the sun and did you see all the contaminants in the
> air? That is what you breathe in. And gazillions of germs you don't
> even see with the bare eye. Why would anybody not want to live
> cleaner?
Well... you bring germs with you, to an enclosed damp environment.
Also there is the issue of waste disposal. It can't be healthy to
live in your own waste, and were there decent pumps centuries ago?
Which leads me to an advance that would be required to have an
underwater village.
Air filters.
And this ignores the human need to get some sunlight.
Closed environments require much in the way if infrastructure to be
healthy.
> Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
> healthy and young.
HOW. Where does fresh water come from? Centuries ago, the method of
choice to desalinate water was with heat. We know the Japanese did
this with earthenware, and we know the US under Jefferson investigated
chemical distillation, but the first commercial plants were based in
steam. Where does the heat come from? The choice centuries ago was
burning things, which is something you wouldn't want to do in a closed
environment. You would have to import burnables which requires an
open environment less open. You "can't" import water via a canal
system as you would need to overcome the pressure of the water
outside. You could use pumps, but that technology didn't really exist
centuries ago.
> You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
> outside. It is paradise, Panda, and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard
> said that too.
Ummmm... this is where we start talking science fiction. People
age... period. A cell life is limited, and telomeres act as a
countdown clock. And centuries ago, we didn't have things like
antibiotics, that was a 20th century invention.
> You die in average of 70s on the surface of the Earth, and you feel
> and look rather bad at the end of these 70 years. If you would move
> today in such a village, you would not age a day. You could live
> forever by feeling and looking young.
Ummmmm.... no. Lifestyle can extend the average age of a human to 80,
90. There are some cases were people live up to 100, but this is
frankly just fiction. There is no evidence to support your claims,
and a 4 year old wouldn't have the background to understand any of
this.
> Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
> ARS poster, which tells me that they either have a death wish or think
> they don't deserve staying young and healthy.
Who are you to judge how long a person lives. Any hatred of you in
this group is based on the fact that you attack others, post their
personal information in 80+ line signatures. You invent conspiracies
without any evidence to back them up, like with the case your claim
that Tori Magoo is making posts under your name. You make your own
enemies.
Everyone wants to live a healthier without a sacrifice to their
lifestyle. But if this village does exist, and if it's perfect, you
are doing those Utopian people a disservice by blabbing about their
SECRET village under the Great Salt Lake. If it's so perfect, it's
bound to be less perfect if 300million get wind of it and want to move
there.
>
> The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
Ummmm.... this is just nuts. Being under 20-40 feet of water is not
adequate protection, and as you stated before, this was built
centuries ago. Being inside a mountain is far far better protection
from bombs than being underwater, where you could just conventional
explosives, i.e. depth charges. Crack the wall, and poof!
An earthquake underwater would be MORE problematic than the surface as
one a break in a wall would spring a leak.
And laserbeam earthquakes? This is pure fantasy. Even presuming we
could generate enough in the way of laser energy to melt rock, that
would be pretty effective underwater wouldn't it. Let's see how we
could attack an underwater village in the Great Salt Lake shall we?
1) Depth charges
2) Drain the lake
3) Tunnel
We have the equipment to build a tunnel between France and England, so
that would be non-trivial but possible. Draining the lake would be
the most practical as it is way above sea level. Depth charges are
probally the most effective.
> Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
This is fiction.
> Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> village.
Why not.... let's say, the Great Lakes? It's fresh water which is
less problematic than Salt water.
> > And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> > why do they need subs?
>
> In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
> In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
> place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
> lived, I could see the market place but it was
> a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
> around the village.
It had a post office, but the address does not exist on the map. The
US postal service can not deliver to there.
You can't power a train on a little generator, even for let's say 5
people. You need fuel or batteries, and with batteries you still need
a power plant to get the power.
> It had hundred of residents.
How many hundred of residents? Do you know how many trees a single
person needs to get their daily allotment of oxygen? I believe a
given tree will take away about 13lbs of carbon per year. Given the
massive power requirements of the underwater village... most of it to
make light for the trees, 150 trees per person won't cut it, but
presuming 150 trees per person, and presuming 1000 people, that's
150,000 trees. Presuming they are spaced 12 feet a part, or 300 trees
per acre, that's about 500 acres just for trees... under water! This
also presumes you can let the trees continue to grow, which you can't
because your max ceiling on average is 20 feet. So, you need another
500 acres of trees to take into account that you have to chop trees
that grow too big. This is not taking into account how much land you
need to grow crops for people in this closed environment, which isn't
so closed anymore as it has a post office.
> One reason why they didn't talk about it much on the outside is
> because they didn't want it overrun by curious people.
> Who wouldn't want to see it.
But here you are, talking about it. But get this... no one has ever
found this underwater village of yours.
> > Well, it's under the Salt Lake... which well... why dedicate all this
> > space to build houses? Keep in mind in the deepest parts you only
> > have 40feet to work with. A house in an open air environment is the
> > least practical.
>
> The village is occupied by many different families. (As I recall many
> Mormons were there.)
> You want your own house to raise your family and have some privacy. If
> you don't have any walls, anybody can see you when you dress and
> undress or love your partner. That's why you want a house.
Houses are not practical in this sort of environment. Keep in mind on
average you only have 20feet to work with, or 40 feet on the outside.
Space is a premium, as it takes so much in the way of resources to
build underwater. Privacy is a luxury, the first to go when space is
at a premium. Houses make no sense, little births do, about 3*3*6ft
for your sleeping space packed in tightly like sardines is the
ticket.
Sure you'd want a house.... but something with 4 sides makes no sense
in a closed environment where you already have walls to keep the water
out. You would, to be practical, build a big complex from floor to
ceiling and put living quarters there. The alternative is a series of
pilers through out the area to keep the ceiling up.
> But the windows were more decorative than as protection of rain of
> something. But you could sleep on your padio. It was just as safe and
> clean as in your bedroom.
Padio, bedrooms? How large is this underwater village of hundreds of
people?
> > That sort of venture you really need the government backing.
>
> I agree. They had the government backing.
But there needs to be an application for this. Research, experiments,
tactical military value, natural resources... all of these things can
be had at a lower price by
1) Building on the surface
2) Building underground
3) building walls and removing the water
4) using the scuba gear and diving
>
> It is huge.
If it's so huge, you could find it with ease couldn't you, in a
rowboat, puttering around the lake.
> > Use a rock.
>
> Lol. A rock? I can't carry a rock that is so heavy that it would pull
> me down.
Then you are not very strong. You can rent a weight set from a nearby
scuba shop, but they are cheap enough to just buy them.
Or, get boat, get rock, get rock on boat. Hold onto rock fall out of
boat, sink, release rock float. Repeat if necessary.
> You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
> anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
> the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
> supported by wood. Beautiful.
There is absolutely no reason to have a sub on the great salt lake
except for stealth or exploration. A wooden submarine would be
impractical. ALL WOOD BOATS LEAK. Being underwater would make it a
bigger problem.
> I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
> raised in this village.
> I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
> but avoided
> to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
So it must be a conspiracy?
You are the only person who talks about this village. Period!
> The State of Utah protested against storage of nuclear waste in the
> GSL.
The Salt Flats of Utah
> This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
> under water.
But you said it was a place that people lived, not a resort. If it's
a resort it's going to have people coming and going. A resort would
be different, you could get air and supplies when you bring on
people.
> I have hard evidence. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
> village.
Sorry, that's not hard evidence. You were 4 when you claim to have
been kidnapped by the Nazis, and a 4 year old's memory isn't all that
great. Hard evidence is something physical. A photograph would be
dandy, a location would be dandier. Eye witnesses would even be a
start, but to date you are the ONLY person who talks about it, and you
even claim the Nazis, the government, and the Mormons know about it.
Keep in mind that there are people who claim to have been taken on
alien craft. But there is no evidence to back up their claim.
> No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
> grow up in this place. I was kidnapped from this place.
Why, why was a 4 year old kidnapped by Nazi psychiatrists? Why not
kidnap someone more local, which well they did during the war, and
there was a good reason.... cause too many people died.
> If his parents remain in the village, they can live forever, and I wish it to
> them with all my heart.
Um no.
> But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
> against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly repeated.
We're ignoring LRH for the moment.
> It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
> a thing. But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the
> mainland. But I didn't find it. GSL is huge.
There is no evidence of this.... you can easily find the marina and
docks and observe the traffic. Hell, satellite photography is pretty
good and available.
> The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
> water, it is in the village.
Which requires power, which isn't going to be powered by a dinky
little generator. What you are probably describing is light rail,
which would need POWER. You don't have nuclear there, I presume, so
you're going to need coal, oil, wood... and where does the waste gas
go?
> I have quite some fantasy.
Yes, you do.
> But this village goes beyond my fantasy.
> It is real as I remember it.
Just because you remember something as a 4 year old doesn't make it
real. When I was 4 I couldn't tell the difference between a light
rail and an elevator. Children's barrier between fantasy and reality
is thin. We learn critical reasoning as an adult.
> I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
> the inside of this village by recalling it. We even had a swimming
> pool. It is the most beautiful place that I ever saw.
You saw something because you wanted to see something. The mind is
very tricky. You can have 20 people claim they were Napoleon in a
former life, that doesn't mean they all were Napoleon in a former
life. The hypnagogic state is a funny place, where visual and
auditory hallucinations are the norm.
> It is a beautiful place, they have a high school there. The kids don't
> want to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
> No, some secrets, just as ear implants are hushed up forever.
Ear implants?
Also if people live forever there, it wouldn't take long for 1000
people to become 2000, 4000. Sure a colony of 1000 people could use a
school, but what you are talking about is impractical under water.
Domes, cement, steel, artificial light, cramped quarters.
> Feel free to believe. The village exists as I lived in it.
Where is it?
> Outlet? They found safe and clean ways to get rid of waste.
How?
> Remember, when I was kidnapped, I was a little girl.
> You don't think much like an engineer in that age but I recalled that
> the village moved rather mechanical over the lake ground
> not with gas.
By age 4, odds are you already are potty trained. It's a 4 year old
question "where does the poop go".
A mechanical village? For 1000 people? This is far fetched, this is
beyond far fetched. The bottom of the GSL isn't flat, as indicated
it's average depth is 20 feet, 40 in some spots. You mean to tell me
they move around a high school, houses, trees? And it's been there
for centuries?
Ok, let's take a Los Angles class attack sub. 130 people. 360foot
long, 33 ft tall, 29foot wide. We're talking cramped space. You're
talking something 10 times the size, with trees, houses, and a high
school, moving around? Even if you can obtain neutral boyancy you
still have to deal with the mass and resistance. What do these
people use their legs to move the village? How many tons can you
move, how many tons can 1000 people move?
And if it's moving around, you can hear it. So get some sonar gear
and find your village.
> > 2) It's very cost prohibitive to build under water
>
> True. But I never claimed that it was build by poor people. However,
>the not poor people were very generous to the not rich people. Anybody
>was welcome to settle in the village as long the person came with good
> intentions.
This is pure fantasy. Where does this money come from, the energy to
run the grow lights, the millions you would need to grow trees?
> There is a German p$ychiatric conspiracy that does not want me to find
> the village. These guys don't want you to stay young and healthy
> either. The existence of this way of live is withheld also from most
> others.
What do the German Psyches have to do with it?
> However, I bet the content of the world bank on that the top
> controllers of the German secret service build themselves also such
> villages (bunkers) and that they - unless us - stay young and healthy
> as their bunkers build after the same system of the village protects
> their lives.
What?
> It does. It exists a 100 %. I never was more sure about anything than
> this.
Show me the village.
Askren
But did Barbara just say rocks don't sink in the Great Salt Lake?
Yeah, she's never even been NEAR it then.
Askren
>
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By the way: "Also, you need to make your own water and food"
Assuming you're not filtering the salt water around you (which, given
the salinity of the Great Salt Lake, would be nigh on impossible) into
fresh water, let's look at it on an atomic scale.
Water has the chemical compound H2O. Now, if you were to use chemical
reactions that produce water as a byproduct (Drain-O and Hydrochloric
Acid mixed produce table salt and water as products), you would need
to get the chemicals from somewhere, and have at least 2x the amount
of each than the amount of water you intent to produce. Now using
nuclear fusion to make one atom of water (which can only be
accomplished by slamming the hydrogens into the oxygen molecule at
near light speed, simultaneously), would release enough energy in the
process to not only turn the entire Lake to vapor, but kill everything
near it. Fusion releases about 4x the energy of fission
So, importing water from the outside would be the only way.
That said, Panda hit just about everything.
This story is as lulzy as it is batshit insane.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> By the way: "Also, you need to make your own water and food"
Yes, I wasn't even to that level yet... I did cover water somewhat.
You have chemical desalination or you have heat distillation, you need
need a lot of water for 1000 people, and these trees. And this
village is MOBILE puttering around the bottom the the Great Salt
Lake?
Food, I imagine Barbara would suggest fishing, but the truth of the
matter is, the GSL is so much more saline than sea water it it doesn't
support typical marine life. It supports brine shrimp though, and
brine flies. Not sure what other marine life the lake supports, but
because of the salinity not much. You have brine shrimp, brine flies,
some algae. I imagine it might be possible to construct a tank and
dilute the salt water to something ocean fish can take, but you have
to get this water from somewhere. Migratory birds do depend on the
brine shrimp, but that would be an outside food source.
Now you "could" use the brine shrimp to feed to other organisms, like
prawns or birds, but you still run into the problem of fresh water.
I don't remember all the details of chemical desalination with
Hydrochloric and lye, but if I recall correctly, you might run into
some problems with chlorine gas being released. Keep in mind that we
are talking the GSL here and there are going to be a ton of salts
other than sodium. There are forms of electrolysis, which is a
commercially viable option, well except for the salinity that'll chew
up your anodes faster than you can say "Nazi psychiatrist"
Importing water is really the best best. It can be piped in from one
of the near by rivers. It's a tad tricky since anything you bring in
is going to add pressure to your underground community. You can burp
the dome and add air as needed, or better yet if you get your air from
the outside, and intake and out take vents, this problem is resolved,
and further you only need fans to cycle the air. Still not practical,
but a hell of a lot more reasonable than importing a forest
underwater.
Food an clothing, well, you'd be better off importing those.
One thing I didn't cover was the possibility of geo-thermal power.
An abundance of this would at least make it more practical to live
under the Great Salt Lake, presuming there were some handy dandy geo-
thermal vents you could tap into. I'm not aware of any there, but
that's at least a remote possibility.
But Barbara claims a great place to live, under water, in the Great
Salt Lake. It's one of the most impractical places to choose because
the water is so damned corrosive, and the ecosystem is like that of a
desert. If "I" wanted to build a utopia, as much as I would enjoy
solving all these problems.... I'd find my self a nice island in the
pacific. Plenty of those still uninhabited, and there would have been
more so in the 60s and centuries ago. Volcanic ash is one of the best
things to feed your plants, and thanks to migratory birds pooping
seeds, new islands get lush really quickly. You have your geo-thermal
power for distillation, ample food from the oceans and plants, Better
still, you don't need much in the way of shelter or clothing, so one
less industry you need to produce.
If Barbra claimed she was kidnapped from one of these islands, that's
a far far far better conspiracy theory since islands exist, and they
are far enough away that she'd never be able to find out the truth.
You'd have to eliminate the Nazi psychiatrists, and replace them with
Japanese psychiatrists to fit with that whole WWII theme. You can
still have tiny Japanese subs this way, and even a splitter group who
have kept radio silence for 15 years still puttering around the
Pacific I think there was a Gilligan's Island episode with this
theme.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
On Jun 7, 7:54 pm, IntergalacticExpandingPanda
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 12:49 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > Right, L. Ron Hubbard's explains on the tonescale about tonelevel 1.1.
> > You better get used to it as it is science. It will stay around, and
> > the entire world will be able to discover people that are low on the
> > tonescale, which means, they will be less disappointed in others as
> > they are able to figure out who they can trust and not.
>
That's right, but when the p$ychs are being busted of mindcontrolling
people's mind in order to be biased towards SCN, people will have a
fresh look at it.
>It has no basis in fact
> as seen by the recent video on sexuality and the tone scale.
It is science. Life (thetans) are of a certain quality and they have
these levels, and all are included. I use the tonescale and I can spot
it. The tonescale does not make me to trust the wrong people, as I
know what I can expect from those who are low on it.
> Further,
> you use 1.1 on the tone scale to refer to people who disagree with
> you.
That is incorrect. A person might agree with you and still be on 1.1.
It is covert hostility.
> You should also note that homosexuals are automatically low on
> the tone scale,
Homosexually are in the wrong, in between life, when they just were
thetans without body, they got tricked in a body of the other sex.
In other words, the men who love men were women in former lifetimes
and the women who love women were men in former lifetimes.
The 2ndD is a strong Dynamic. Ron didn't change his gender. He was
always a man. No homosexuality here. I was always a woman, I would
never take a male body. That's why I just have sisterly feelings for
women.
>as well as women who don't act like Hubbard thinks
> women should act.
L. Ron Hubbard FOUND the axioms. It is not him who invented some
rules. He found how life is on its own.
It's like gravity. It is there, he just happen to see it and write it
up and I am forerever grateful that he did.
>
> > Panda, what don't you want to understand? The village was build
> > centuries ago under the surface of the water as AN ALTERNATIVE AND
> > HEALTHIER WAY TO LIVE, not to shot any missiles.
>
> Built centuries ago? By whom?
By the constructors.
> I have great respect for native
> American people, but Kivas of that area are a far cry from an
> underwater complex. The Americans simply didn't have the technology
> required.
There were Indians residents in that village but they were not the one
who build it. I want to put my hand in the fire that Marty's family
build the village and L. Ron Hubbard in his former lifetime. Their
heritage was Jewish and I think that Scientology is older than 50
years. I think that Ron developed Scientology already in each former
lifetime. It is the way he is. You do in this lifetime what you did in
former lifetimes already.
> To build a complex like you describe you need
>
> 1) Artificial light
The ceiling had glass. It was light during the day. At night it was
dark. When I saw it, they had light but in the beginning they might
have used candles.
> 2) O2 scrubbers
They made their own oxygen.
> 3) Industrialization
What for?
>
> It would be a feat by today's standards, though not impossible.
It was possible centuries ago. It was likely build on the surface of
the lake and then lowered with weights. I checked the Mormon libraries
to find newspaper articles about the constructions of that village.
But in order to find it, I have to read just about anything that was
written from 1600 -.... and I did not find it.
Nevertheless, my own perceptions are not shuttered just because I did
not find the media article about this construction,
>
> Now... microorganism are important.
That is what doctors want you to believe.
< There are so many that we and
> plants go-depend on that you can't haphazardly get rid of them all and
> live in a sterilized environment.
That is what I don't believe. I know that they say that we and plants
need germs but I think it is a load of crap.
> In fact, that's the issue with
> building a truly self sufficient moonbase. They could build close to
> the poles where getting sunlight isn't an issue, but what they don't
> understand is what microorganizams are needed to build a self
> sufficient biodome.
Germs are killing you and anybody else. They cause cancer and heart
disease and just about any other disease.
The people who live in this village are healthier than others. They
stay young and free of disease.
Somebody in this village can be 200 years or older and compared with
somebody age 30 on the unprotected surface might be old and sick
compared to the person who lives in the village without the germs.
Germs are nothing but destroyed thetans implanted in lower life forms.
You don't need these kind of body thetans to stay healthy.
>
> > Again, it was build centuries ago mainly for the following reasons:
> > No outside pollution, to preserve health and youth and as secure place
> > for its residents (It is now 2008, and you guys still doubt its
> > existence, which means, it is very secure).
>
> Centuries ago there was NOT an issue with pollution.
Smart people knew already of pollution many centuries ago. There is
dust, there is radioactivity, there are bugs, and they had eyes in
their heads, they saw that people age, so they decided to stop it and
move in that village.
I read a book about the French Revolution written by somebody born
1709. He wrote down the eye witness notes of his uncle. They were
aware of "illness carriers" and they describe in great detail what
they did to protect their families from them (e.g. they boiled stuff
out with hot water to kill germs, etc.)
> Also if it was
> so secure, how were you kidnapped by Nazi psychologists after the
> war?
Infiltration is everywhere. An infiltrator resident in the village
told me to go with her to downtown SLC, and that we would be back in
no time...
First I didn't want to, then I felt sorry for the woman as I thought
she has nobody else to go with.
She turned me over to RB and the German secret service. They took me
to Germany and this was the end of a good life.
>
> > I swam a couple of times in the GSL. You can't dive there as the water
> > doesn't allow you to get down. Is that so hard to understand? You need
> > special equipment that pulls you down. (However, if there is a
> > twister, you can drown in the GSL, as you suffocate on the waves that
> > spill in your face.) But you can't dive to the ground.
>
> The special equipment is called a weight belt, and it's standard
> gear. If you don't have one, you can use a rock. Diving into the
> water does require a strong swimmer but it's not impossible without
> "special equipment".
I can swim, but I don't have the physical strength to on the bottom of
the lake. Also remember how large the lake is. In order to find it, I
have to walk the lake up and down on its ground! And even if I would
do it, I still could miss it as it might as it does not stay at the
same place all the time.
>
> > Because of the p$ychs and their agents. The German secret service (run
> > secretly by German p$ychs) hate Jews, Marty's family, L. Ron Hubbard,
> > Dwight David Eisenhower and won't let them live in peace. The village
> > is a great place to live but it is also infiltrated. I was lured by a
> > woman out of the village in age of 4, and she was a resident of the
> > village. She turned me over to the German secret service who kidnapped
> > me to Germany.
>
> Four year olds don't have the memory or the cognitive skills to have
> this sort of recall with any sort of accuracy.
I was a very unsual kid. I also talked much sooner than other
children.
>
> > I was born many years after Hitler was allegedly defeated, but I met
> > so many still active Nazis in Germany that I can say that the Nazis
> > are not gone and still operate on 3rd Reich activities.
>
> Allegedly? Ummm, Germany surrendered and Hitler shot him self.
A burned uniform is no evidence. He came away. They used his uniform
and burned another guy.
> Now I
> would agree there are people who still subscribe to the Nazi ideals,
> many were POWs of the war who either were NAZIs or became nazified.
> But these neo-nazies are considered to be a bunch of kooks with no
> real political power.
Before the Nazis came into power, they were viewed as kooks by most of
the Germans.
In other words: today ridiculed, tomorrow nevertheless the rulers.
>
> > Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
> > insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
> > the Nazis.
>
> Who, where?
They sit in their secret headquarters and protect their bodies as they
don’t want to get sick and old and die as we have to because they
don’t allow us to live like they do.
> <snip>
>
> > > Also, where does the green come from if it's under water?
>
> > You take healthy seeds and plant them in a clean environment, they
> > they grow, then you harvest.
>
> Plants need sunlight. Where does this sunlight come from?
Not really. Some need light and you can create the light for them.
>
> > Yes, there was light down there. But no huge power station. Rather
> > small generators.
>
> Small generators? To power an underground village large enough for a
> train, and houses, and trees not getting natural sunlight?
The people in the village were handymen and fruit and vegetable
growers. You don’t need large generators for them. If you have small
generators for your home and small business, it is enough.
The village does not look like Disney World with 100 000 lights.
>I they
> were looking for a healthier way to live, and must live underground,
> it would stand to reason that they would plant on the surface and
> import foods underground.
They don’t want the radioactive polluted food. They don’t want to get
old and die.
Even upper surface organic food is polluted to a certain grade.
> > Why closed environment would be healthier? Because Chernobyl and other
> > environmental disasters won't get to you. Allergies won't get you
> > either.
>
> But you can't run a generator in a closed environment without
> polluting it.
I think they made the electricity with water in the village. Recycled
water generated the light.
>Youcould" take air from the outside, and funnel it
> back out, but there would be evidence of this, in the form of
> snorkels.
They don’t want the polluted air. They want their own air.
>If this existed centuries ago, how the living hell did
> they get O2 down there?
Some invention are older than school text books say.
>You need a ton of trees or O2 scrubbers,
> which to be fair I believe you can bubble air through limestone water,
> but centuries ago? Again I have respect for Native American peoples
> but they didn't really have things like beasts of burden or a use for
> the wheel, let alone evidence of any complex gear or pulley system.
They architects of this village did it somehow.
> This also presumes some understanding of chemistry which was limited
> centuries ago. The first experiments in 02 scrubbers I believe were
> 1862 with the USS Monitor of the civil war, and even that was an
> advanced design not seen on the prior attempt the Alligator.
Information was and is suppressed on this planet. We might think that
the radio is invented not too long ago but from the private notes of
the French Revolution, I was able to tell that many of the soldiers
and the people who robbed houses had actually ear implants and a case
officer.
And remember, that was 17th Century.
>
> Now, you might be able to get away with a ton of blue green algae, but
> they need sunlight.
They need light but no sunlight.
>
> > Did you ever go in the forest (where air allegedly is the healthiest)
> > and looked against the sun and did you see all the contaminants in the
> > air? That is what you breathe in. And gazillions of germs you don't
> > even see with the bare eye. Why would anybody not want to live
> > cleaner?
>
> Well... you bring germs with you, to an enclosed damp environment.
As you make your own water and soap, you reduce them more and more.
> Also there is the issue of waste disposal. It can't be healthy to
> live in your own waste, and were there decent pumps centuries ago?
It is a very clean village. Perhaps they burned the waste or they
brought it outside to a dump.
BTW, I know 100 % that they had no cemetery in the village.
> Which leads me to an advance that would be required to have an
> underwater village.
>
> Air filters.
They made their own oxygen. It is not our dirty air.
>
> And this ignores the human need to get some sunlight.
We die with approx. 70 years, they can live as long as they want if
they are not murdered on orders of the German psych secret service. I
rather stay forever young and healthy without burning in the sun.
If you want to have a tan, eat carrots.
>
> Closed environments require much in the way if infrastructure to be
> healthy.
And?
>
> > Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
> > healthy and young.
>
> HOW. Where does fresh water come from?
They made the water from scratch. Probably cooled an area till it
became ice and then melted the ice.
>centies ago, the method of
> choice to desalinate water was with heat. We know the Japanese did
> this with earthenware, and we know the US under Jefferson investigated
> chemical distillation, but the first commercial plants were based in
> steam. Where does the heat come from?
Too bad I did not made notes about it and tattooed them on my body
before the age of 4.
If you cool an area you get ice. The ice can be melted and is water
that was never used before.
>The choice centuries ago was
> burning things, which is something you wouldn't want to do in a closed
> environment. You would have to import burnables which requires an
> open environment less open. You "can't" import water via a canal
> system as you would need to overcome the pressure of the water
> outside. You could use pumps, but that technology didn't really exist
> centuries ago.
They made no huge fires in the village. I remember that candles were
used.
They lived good there.
>
> > You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
> > outside. It is paradise, Panda, and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard
> > said that too.
>
> Ummmm... this is where we start talking science fiction. People
> age... period.
Says who? People age because they are living in a polluted, UV,
chemical and germ mess and drink chemicals and eat them. They age
inside and outside. But if you get out of this, you have very
different chances.
> A cell life is limited, and telomeres act as a
> countdown clock. And centuries ago, we didn't have things like
> antibiotics, that was a 20th century invention.
I am not talking about antibiotics. You don’t need them if you live in
the village. What for? You don’t get the infections, the germs on the
surface are giving you the infections.
The cell life is limited because the cell has to live under the same
conditions. Let a cell live in the village and it will not die.
>
> > You die in average of 70s on the surface of the Earth, and you feel
> > and look rather bad at the end of these 70 years. If you would move
> > today in such a village, you would not age a day. You could live
> > forever by feeling and looking young.
>
> Ummmmm.... no. Lifestyle can extend the average age of a human to 80,
> 90. There are some cases were people live up to 100, but this is
> frankly just fiction. There is no evidence to support your claims,
> and a 4 year old wouldn't have the background to understand any of
> this.
Again, I was a very special little girl.
You age and you die because you have to live like in stone age on the
surface on the earth.
The body is immortal in the right environment.
They found a German Earl in Eastern Germany. He died and after he was
dead, they put him in something like the village just smaller. His
body didn’t age a day but was centuries down there.
He should have moved in that place while he still was alive. He would
be now 400 years old but would probably younger than you.
>
> > Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
> > ARS poster, which tells me that they either have a death wish or think
> > they don't deserve staying young and healthy.
>
> Who are you to judge how long a person lives.
Here it is again, just as I wrote. I am being attacked for telling
people that they don’t have to die in average of 70 years, it is like
biting the hand that feeds them.
> Any hatred of you in
> this group is based on the fact that you attack others, post their
> personal information in 80+ line signatures.
Crap.
>ou invent conspiracies
> without any evidence to back them up, like with the case your claim
> that Tori Magoo is making posts under your name. You make your own
> enemies.
Crap again. I am attacked because your p$ych case officers don’t want
you to find out the truth.
They are not even good to their own agents.
I was already attacked and defamed before I ever posted one single
word.
>
> Everyone wants to live a healthier without a sacrifice to their
> lifestyle. But if this village does exist, and if it's perfect, you
> are doing those Utopian people a disservice by blabbing about their
> SECRET village under the Great Salt Lake. If it's so perfect, it's
> bound to be less perfect if 300million get wind of it and want to move
> there.
>
>
>
> > The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> > lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> > beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
>
> Ummmm.... this is just nuts.
Nuts? You think a cage in a mountain cannot crash?
>Being under 20-40 feet of water is not
> adequate protection, and as you stated before, this was built
> centuries ago.
Nothing is foolproof protection. The best protection is to better the
world and make people respect each other and to show them how they
will suffer if they don’t build a better world.
Being inside a mountain is far far better protection
> from bombs than being underwater, where you could just conventional
> explosives, i.e. depth charges. Crack the wall, and poof!
You are wrong. Anybody knows where your mountain is and where to throw
the bomb or use the laser beam to make the earth quake. If you throw
a bomb in a big lake, you have to know exactly where the submarine
village is in order to hit it. It might not more be at the spot where
the attacker suspected it.
>
> An earthquake underwater would be MORE problematic than the surface as
> one a break in a wall would spring a leak.
That’s why the village is not in the ocean but in the GSL. Once water
pours in, it lifts up 40 feet and the people can get out.
>
> And laserbeam earthquakes? This is pure fantasy. Even presuming we
> could generate enough in the way of laser energy to melt rock, that
> would be pretty effective underwater wouldn't it.
You know all the lasers, huh? What makes you think that there is no
laser than can get thru water?
I could probably invent such one within a day.
>Let's see how we
> could attack an underwater village in the Great Salt Lake shall we?
>
> 1) Depth charges
> 2) Drain the lake
> 3) Tunnel
> ...
What the matter with you ? Why would you attack that peaceful village?
After all the many years even wars, they were and still are safe.
And what is the problem now with tunnels and draining?
The problem that the residents have are more secret attacks instead of
somebody draining the lake but there were such attempts via weather
satellites.
We have the equipment to build a tunnel between France and England,
so
that would be non-trivial but possible. Draining the lake would be
the most practical as it is way above sea level. Depth charges are
probally the most effective.
> Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
This is fiction.
Everything that your mind doesn’t allow you to grasp is fiction.
> Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> village.
Why not.... let's say, the Great Lakes? It's fresh water which is
less problematic than Salt water.
No, the salt water preserves, it preserves the sub.
> > And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> > why do they need subs?
> In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
> In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
> place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
> lived, I could see the market place but it was
> a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
> around the village.
It had a post office, but the address does not exist on the map.
The
US postal service can not deliver to there.
It must have their own zip code. A resident of the village must pick
up the mail from the outside and bring it in the village.
>You can't power a train on a little generator, even for let's say 5
>people. You need fuel or batteries, and with batteries you still need
>a power plant to get the power.
That's easy.
> It had hundred of residents.
How many hundred of residents?
** I didn't conduct any census.
Google is weird, the layout changed, it is hard to say who wrote what.
I mark my answers with two stars** now.
Do you know how many trees a single
person needs to get their daily allotment of oxygen?
** It was loaded with trees. It was completely green.
I believe a
given tree will take away about 13lbs of carbon per year. Given the
massive power requirements of the underwater village... most of it to
make light for the trees, 150 trees per person won't cut it, but
presuming 150 trees per person, and presuming 1000 people, that's
150,0>00 trees. Presuming they are spaced 12 feet a part, or 300
trees
per acre, that's about 500 acres just for trees... under water! This
also presumes you can let the trees continue to grow, which you can't
because your max ceiling on average is 20 feet. So, you need another
500 acres of trees to take into account that you have to chop trees
that grow too big. This is not taking into account how much land
you
need to grow crops for people in this closed environment, which isn't
so closed anymore as it has a post office.
**The village was not that high but it was large. Probably as big as
Monte Carlo.
> One reason why they didn't talk about it much on the outside is
> because they didn't want it overrun by curious people.
> Who wouldn't want to see it.
But here you are, talking about it. But get this... no one has ever
found this underwater village of yours.
** There you see, it is much more secure than your mountain village!
> > Well, it's under the Salt Lake... which well... why dedicate all this
> > space to build houses? Keep in mind in the deepest parts you only
> > have 40feet to work with. A house in an open air environment is the
> > least practical.
> The village is occupied by many different families. (As I recall many
> Mormons were there.)
> You want your own house to raise your family and have some privacy. If
> you don't have any walls, anybody can see you when you dress and
> undress or love your partner. That's why you want a house.
Houses are not practical in this sort of environment. Keep in mind
on
average you only have 20feet to work with, or 40 feet on the outside.
Space is a premium, as it takes so much in the way of resources to
build underwater. Privacy is a luxury, the first to go when space is
at a premium. Houses make no sense, little births do, about 3*3*6ft
for your sleeping space packed in tightly like sardines is the
ticket.
Sure you'd want a house.... but something with 4 sides makes no sense
in a closed environment where you already have walls to keep the
water
out. You would, to be practical, build a big complex from floor to
ceiling and put living quarters there. The alternative is a series
of
pilers through out the area to keep the ceiling up.
**You can always create your own village. But the one that I know was
just wonderful. It was build like a huge arena. In the middle was the
market place. Trees and vegetation everywhere and the houses were in
cabin styles. Very very pretty. Very very clean.
> But the windows were more decorative than as protection of rain of
> something. But you could sleep on your padio. It was just as safe and
> clean as in your bedroom.
Padio, bedrooms? How large is this underwater village of hundreds of
people?
I didn't measure it. It was huge.
> > That sort of venture you really need the government backing.
> I agree. They had the government backing.
But there needs to be an application for this. Research,
experiments,
tactical military value, natural resources... all of these things can
be had at a lower price by
1) Building on the surface
2) Building underground
3) building walls and removing the water
4) using the scuba gear and diving
> It is huge.
**The individuals who constructed the place where not poor.
If it's so huge, you could find it with ease couldn't you, in a
rowboat, puttering around the lake.
** It is under water. But perhaps, if the post man leaves to pick up
mail, you could see a dry spot where he gets out. But you have to find
him on the large lake at the right moment.
> > Use a rock.
> Lol. A rock? I can't carry a rock that is so heavy that it would pull
> me down.
Then you are not very strong. You can rent a weight set from a
nearby
scuba shop, but they are cheap enough to just buy them.
Or, get boat, get rock, get rock on boat. Hold onto rock fall out of
boat, sink, release rock float. Repeat if necessary.
*** My strongest muscle is my brain. :)
> You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
> anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
> the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
> supported by wood. Beautiful.
There is absolutely no reason to have a sub on the great salt lake
except for stealth or exploration. A wooden submarine would be
impractical. ALL WOOD BOATS LEAK. Being underwater would make it a
bigger problem.
** Not this one. I think the salt helps to preserve.
> I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
> raised in this village.
> I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
> but avoided
> to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
So it must be a conspiracy?
** Yes, as this is what I had to deal with all the time.
You are the only person who talks about this village. Period!
*** Hey, it was you who started this thread. You want to know. You
talk about it. Period!
> The State of Utah protested against storage of nuclear waste in the
> GSL.
The Salt Flats of Utah
> This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
> under water.
But you said it was a place that people lived, not a resort. If it's
a resort it's going to have people coming and going. A resort would
be different, you could get air and supplies when you bring on
people.
** It was LIKE a huge resort but residents lived there permanent.
> I have hard evidence. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
> village.
Sorry, that's not hard evidence. You were 4 when you claim to have
been kidnapped by the Nazis, and a 4 year old's memory isn't all that
great.
** I amaze myself sometimes about my abilities.
Hard evidence is something physical. A photograph would be
dandy, a location would be dandier.
** Sure, the Germans kidnap me and let me keep a photo of the sub. Get
real.
Eye witnesses would even be a
start, but to date you are the ONLY person who talks about it,
** And you, and other before you were also fascinated by that
village..
and you
even claim the Nazis, the government, and the Mormons know about it.
** They do.
Keep in mind that there are people who claim to have been taken on
alien craft. But there is no evidence to back up their claim.
** It exist. If I would have the cash, I would build another one.
> No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
> grow up in this place. I was kidnapped from this place.
Why, why was a 4 year old kidnapped by Nazi psychiatrists?
**To cause Ron pain.
> Why not
kidnap someone more local, which well they did during the war, and
there was a good reason.... cause too many people died.
**The Germans knew that I am a special kid. Like Himmler said, if we
find a kid that we want, we take it.
> If his parents remain in the village, they can live forever, and I wish it to
> them with all my heart.
Um no.
** What, um no?
> But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
> against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly repeated.
We're ignoring LRH for the moment.
** Why, he is the key to all of this.
> It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
> a thing. But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the
> mainland. But I didn't find it. GSL is huge.
There is no evidence of this.... you can easily find the marina and
docks and observe the traffic. Hell, satellite photography is pretty
good and available.
** Satellite pic UNDER water?
> The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
> water, it is in the village.
Which requires power, which isn't going to be powered by a dinky
little generator.
** Many little generators, each provides a home or little shop.
What you are probably describing is light rail,
which would need POWER. You don't have nuclear there, I presume, so
you're going to need coal, oil, wood... and where does the waste gas
go?
*** It would be mechanical or batteries.
> I have quite some fantasy.
Yes, you do.
> But this village goes beyond my fantasy.
> It is real as I remember it.
Just because you remember something as a 4 year old doesn't make it
real. When I was 4 I couldn't tell the difference between a light
rail and an elevator. Children's barrier between fantasy and reality
is thin. We learn critical reasoning as an adult.
** I was not a regular kid. I was able to speak just a few weeks after
birth. That is what I was told by others. They said they never saw
anything like it.
Don't attack me on this. This is what I was told.
> I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
> the inside of this village by recalling it. We even had a swimming
> pool. It is the most beautiful place that I ever saw.
You saw something because you wanted to see something. The mind is
very tricky.
** My mind is not tricky. Mine is a sensation. My memory was removed
by the p$ychs and I was able to recover it.
You can have 20 people claim they were Napoleon in a
former life, that doesn't mean they all were Napoleon in a former
life.
** That's true. Many people claimed to be Jesus. They might had felt
that they were cruzified and thought that they were Jesus but
criminals were cruzified too in those times.
The hypnagogic state is a funny place, where visual and
auditory hallucinations are the norm.
** That is what p$ychs want me to believe as they don't want me to
continue to look for the village. They know, I tell the world that
there is a better place and that they can stay healthy and young. But
they don't want others to live good lives.
> It is a beautiful place, they have a high school there. The kids don't
> want to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
> No, some secrets, just as ear implants are hushed up forever.
Ear implants?
** Exactly.
Also if people live forever there, it wouldn't take long for 1000
people to become 2000, 4000.
** Then they move out and build a new village. It might not the the
only village of this kind.
Sure a colony of 1000 people could use a
school,
** They got one.
but what you are talking about is impractical under water.
Domes, cement, steel, artificial light, cramped quarters.
** Sigh. You got nothing of what I explained before.
> Feel free to believe. The village exists as I lived in it.
Where is it?
> Outlet? They found safe and clean ways to get rid of waste.
How?
> Remember, when I was kidnapped, I was a little girl.
> You don't think much like an engineer in that age but I recalled that
> the village moved rather mechanical over the lake ground
> not with gas.
By age 4, odds are you already are potty trained. It's a 4 year old
question "where does the poop go".
** I was a lady already by age of 4. Lady's don't talk about poop.
A mechanical village? For 1000 people? This is far fetched, this is
beyond far fetched. The bottom of the GSL isn't flat, as indicated
it's average depth is 20 feet, 40 in some spots. You mean to tell me
they move around a high school, houses, trees?
** Yes, it is in the village.
And it's been there
for centuries?
** Yes.
Ok, let's take a Los Angles class attack sub. 130 people. 360foot
long, 33 ft tall, 29foot wide. We're talking cramped space. You're
talking something 10 times the size, with trees, houses, and a high
school, moving around?
** Perhaps you should draw it and put in on a website one day.
It is not a military sub, how often do I have to tell you this? It is
a village under water with a glass roof.
Even if you can obtain neutral boyancy you
still have to deal with the mass and resistance. What do these
people use their legs to move the village?
** If you don't want the train, you walk around in the village or you
jump on the treatmill or whatever.
How many tons can you
move, how many tons can 1000 people move?
** They don't move the village. The village can move.
And if it's moving around, you can hear it. So get some sonar gear
and find your village.
** It is deep in the lake. You don't hear it crawling slowly forward.
You want to see the village? I am not surprised. I want to see it even
more than you do! I will find it sooner or later.
I know myself. One day, I will see it again. On the day on which I
find Marty again...
However, in the meantime, you could start to build your own...
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 7:34 pm, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > By the way: "Also, you need to make your own water and food"
If you want to stay young and healthy, you better know what's in the
food that you eat.
>
> Yes, I wasn't even to that level yet... I did cover water somewhat.
> You have chemical desalination or you have heat distillation, you need
> need a lot of water for 1000 people, and these trees. And this
> village is MOBILE puttering around the bottom the the Great Salt
> Lake?
It did when I saw it the last time.
>
> Food, I imagine Barbara would suggest fishing, but the truth of the
> matter is, the GSL is so much more saline than sea water it it doesn't
> support typical marine life.
No, actually, the best is a vegetarian life. And it can be delicious.
> It supports brine shrimp though, and
> brine flies. Not sure what other marine life the lake supports, but
> because of the salinity not much. You have brine shrimp, brine flies,
> some algae. I imagine it might be possible to construct a tank and
> dilute the salt water to something ocean fish can take, but you have
> to get this water from somewhere. Migratory birds do depend on the
> brine shrimp, but that would be an outside food source.
You are missing the point. The village was build to get away from the
contamination. If you fish fishes from the contaminated surface of the
Earth, you can move out again as it will not protect your life.
>
> Now you "could" use the brine shrimp to feed to other organisms, like
> prawns or birds, but you still run into the problem of fresh water.
They make their own water. Again, if you cool a certain area, you get
ice. Then you melt it. Then you have water.
>
> I don't remember all the details of chemical desalination with
> Hydrochloric and lye, but if I recall correctly, you might run into
> some problems with chlorine gas being released. Keep in mind that we
> are talking the GSL here and there are going to be a ton of salts
> other than sodium. There are forms of electrolysis, which is a
> commercially viable option, well except for the salinity that'll chew
> up your anodes faster than you can say "Nazi psychiatrist"
You are on the wrong boat. Or in the wrong sub village. You can make
your own water without distilling it. You can make fresh water from
scratch.
>
> Importing water is really the best best. It can be piped in from one
> of the near by rivers. It's a tad tricky since anything you bring in
> is going to add pressure to your underground community. You can burp
> the dome and add air as needed, or better yet if you get your air from
> the outside, and intake and out take vents, this problem is resolved,
> and further you only need fans to cycle the air. Still not practical,
> but a hell of a lot more reasonable than importing a forest
> underwater.
>
> Food an clothing, well, you'd be better off importing those.
No! The food is germ invested, once I am back in the village, I throw
all my Earth upper surface clothes away.
You use the cotton in the village to make own clothes.
>
> One thing I didn't cover was the possibility of geo-thermal power.
> An abundance of this would at least make it more practical to live
> under the Great Salt Lake, presuming there were some handy dandy geo-
> thermal vents you could tap into. I'm not aware of any there, but
> that's at least a remote possibility.
>
> But Barbara claims a great place to live, under water, in the Great
> Salt Lake. It's one of the most impractical places to choose because
> the water is so damned corrosive, and the ecosystem is like that of a
> desert. If "I" wanted to build a utopia, as much as I would enjoy
> solving all these problems.... I'd find my self a nice island in the
> pacific.
Have fun in the sun, You'll age and die in your 70s, while the village
residents don't age and don't die.
> Plenty of those still uninhabited, and there would have been
> more so in the 60s and centuries ago. Volcanic ash is one of the best
> things to feed your plants, and thanks to migratory birds pooping
> seeds, new islands get lush really quickly. You have your geo-thermal
> power for distillation, ample food from the oceans and plants, Better
> still, you don't need much in the way of shelter or clothing, so one
> less industry you need to produce.
You will age and die.
>
> If Barbra claimed she was kidnapped from one of these islands,
Who said so? Barbra Streisand?
I never said that I was kidnapped from a pacific island but from a
village under water.
> that's
> a far far far better conspiracy theory since islands exist, and they
> are far enough away that she'd never be able to find out the truth.
I will find it.
> You'd have to eliminate the Nazi psychiatrists, and replace them with
> Japanese psychiatrists
Yeah right! You replace psychs with sanity and not with new p$ychs.
> to fit with that whole WWII theme. You can
> still have tiny Japanese subs this way, and even a splitter group who
> have kept radio silence for 15 years still puttering around the
> Pacific I think there was a Gilligan's Island episode with this
> theme.
If I would have the money, I would build another village as that which
I know. I would solve any problem that exists and I would be able to
prove that these villages could have been already constructed
centuries ago.
I know what I saw. You never have been there. But I was. I can draw a
blue print of the village. I know it so well in so many details. I
even know my way around it.
I even remember how the post office was organized.
It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. Important is just that I
believe what I saw and I do. I know what's fantasy and what is real.
And this village exists on Earth because I lived in it.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 7, 8:54 pm, IntergalacticExpandingPanda
Askren, you are so clueless. But if clueless makes you happy...
Barbara Schwarz
peters...@gmail.com
>
> It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. Important is just that I
> believe what I saw and I do. I know what's fantasy and what is real.
> And this village exists on Earth because I lived in it.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
You are serious about this imaginary village, right?
Then you are even more deluded than I ever thought.
You even could beat Hubbard in kookery!
BTW. Do you remember a few months ago when you claimed these were all
lies, made up to make you look crazy?
You even got the Wikipedia page removed that contained this story
because it was all lies! And now you confirm it?
I'll save it just in case you are going to deny it in the future.
Peter
"It has been proven that Scientology uses
similar procedures ("techniques") on the one hand to make individuals
pliable and to
discipline its members, and on the other hand to attack its critics,
who are seen as enemies,
in order to silence them and obstruct them in their activities against
the organization."
redco...@gmail.com
She has already cost the American taxpayer piles of money for her
insane FOIA crap.
She is a leach and is completely insane
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> That's right, but when the p$ychs are being busted of mindcontrolling
> people's mind in order to be biased towards SCN, people will have a
> fresh look at it.
Umm, no, LRH was not an expert is psychology.
> It is science. Life (thetans) are of a certain quality and they have
> these levels, and all are included. I use the tonescale and I can spot
> it. The tonescale does not make me to trust the wrong people, as I
> know what I can expect from those who are low on it.
And you observe a thetan, can you measure a theatan?
The tone scale is someone attempting to impose their own order to the
world. You placed me at 1.1, on the same level as criminals and
homosexuals (not that I think homosexuality is a lower form of
life).
> That is incorrect. A person might agree with you and still be on 1.1.
> It is covert hostility.
Which you inturperate anyone who disagrees with you as being hostile,
so you create a 80+ signature file... and by the same definition you
are 1.1 on the tone scale.
I may not be the most polite person in the world, but I don't mean you
ill will. I just like to unravel conspiracies with information.
> Homosexually are in the wrong, in between life, when they just were
> thetans without body, they got tricked in a body of the other sex.
> In other words, the men who love men were women in former lifetimes
> and the women who love women were men in former lifetimes.
> The 2ndD is a strong Dynamic. Ron didn't change his gender. He was
> always a man. No homosexuality here. I was always a woman, I would
> never take a male body. That's why I just have sisterly feelings for
> women.
Homosexuality is part of nature. We have a population of well over 4
billion on this planet. It stands to reason that a certain number of
homosexuals do wonders to help reduce population growth and serves to
keep a species in check.
If two men want to get it on... it does me no harm. Neither does two
women. If they are in a healthy relationship, and it makes them
happy... great.
> L. Ron Hubbard FOUND the axioms. It is not him who invented some
> rules. He found how life is on its own.
> It's like gravity. It is there, he just happen to see it and write it
> up and I am forerever grateful that he did.
Gravity is an observable fact, there for anyone to discover. LRH
respectfully didn't understand many of the subjects he wrote about.
> > Built centuries ago? By whom?
>
> By the constructors.
But who were they. This is some seriously advanced technology for
centuries ago.
> There were Indians residents in that village but they were not the one
> who build it. I want to put my hand in the fire that Marty's family
> build the village and L. Ron Hubbard in his former lifetime. Their
> heritage was Jewish and I think that Scientology is older than 50
> years. I think that Ron developed Scientology already in each former
> lifetime. It is the way he is. You do in this lifetime what you did in
> former lifetimes already.
Ummm, how did these Jewish people get here? I know these people got
around, but there is no evidence of a Jewish community in the American
southwest. A dead give away would be a written language, which didn't
become popular in the American southwest until the late19th early 20th
century, and that was the Navajo.
Why bother with the Americas when you could pick your self a nice
island on the Pacific perfectly able to support life. Why build
underwater when it's most impractical? It makes no sense.
> The ceiling had glass. It was light during the day. At night it was
> dark. When I saw it, they had light but in the beginning they might
> have used candles.
Candles burn AIR, exactly the sort of thing you don't want in an
enclosed underwater community. Also, the sunlight is rather defused
even at 20 feet. You could grow some algae, perhaps some plants if
you had access to fresh water. You're not likely able to grow a tree
under water, not with without artificial light.
Besides if light can get in, it can get out too... if there is enough
light from the sun to support plants, then you are going to be able to
see a candle burning at night in the bottom of the lake.
> > 2) O2 scrubbers
>
> They made their own oxygen.
Centuries ago? Very unlikely. Limestone is the most likely solution
that boggle, but the only application I can think of was during the
civil war for the USS Monitor IIRC. Before that, well, it's
unlikely... so unlikely there would be
1) a need to build underwater
2) knowing enough in the way of chemistry to be able to "make"
oxygen.
>
> > 3) Industrialization
>
> What for?
For a underwater village of hundreds of people. The glass roof alone
would require a big feat of engineering to say the least. Machine
tools would certainly be helpful to say the least. This project is
respectfully beyond iron age technology.
> It was possible centuries ago. It was likely build on the surface of
> the lake and then lowered with weights. I checked the Mormon libraries
> to find newspaper articles about the constructions of that village.
> But in order to find it, I have to read just about anything that was
> written from 1600 -.... and I did not find it.
> Nevertheless, my own perceptions are not shuttered just because I did
> not find the media article about this construction,
1600? You know the Mormons didn't hit that area until well into the
first half of the 19th century don't you? Hell, America was hardly
colonized by that point, and the Mormon church was started in the 19th
century. News papers? The Escalante-Dominguez party visted the area
in 1776. (Francisco Atanasio Domínguez a Franciscan missionary,
Silvestre Vélez de Escalante cartographer) They didn't note any
newspapers... and odds are they were the first white men in that
area. From an American Perspective you have the Lewis and Clark
expedition that went through the Dakotas 1805 or so. Utah wasn't made
a part of the union until the later part of the 19th, though
California was starting out in the first half of the 19th, when I'm
sure there were newspapers after a fashion.
Now you could be talking of a lost Jewish tribe.... which there is no
evidence today of there ever being Jews in pre-America... and if a
colony did manage to make the crossing they'd be doing pretty damned
well just to make it by with a small farming colony and surviving. A
dead giveaway would be use of a written language in north America. We
have some nice pictures by the Anasazi, not nothing like Hebrew... or
even Mayan for that matter.
> > Now... microorganism are important.
>
> That is what doctors want you to believe.
And it's actually rather good to listen to your average doctor. But
fine.... you start your own biodome.
> > plants go-depend on that you can't haphazardly get rid of them all and
> > live in a sterilized environment.
>
> That is what I don't believe. I know that they say that we and plants
> need germs but I think it is a load of crap.
Ok, Ignore evolution all together, the food chain, and our
understanding of life as we know it on this planet.
> Germs are killing you and anybody else. They cause cancer and heart
> disease and just about any other disease.
> The people who live in this village are healthier than others. They
> stay young and free of disease.
> Somebody in this village can be 200 years or older and compared with
> somebody age 30 on the unprotected surface might be old and sick
> compared to the person who lives in the village without the germs.
Yet there is NO evidence to support this. And how do you know this
anyway, if you were there, you were 4 years old.
There are a ton of germs in your digestive tract. We've developed a
symbiotic relationship with many of them.
> Germs are nothing but destroyed thetans implanted in lower life forms.
> You don't need these kind of body thetans to stay healthy.
Yes you do.
> > Centuries ago there was NOT an issue with pollution.
>
> Smart people knew already of pollution many centuries ago. There is
> dust, there is radioactivity, there are bugs, and they had eyes in
> their heads, they saw that people age, so they decided to stop it and
> move in that village.
Sorry, Wilhelm Röntgen was the first person we know to discover
radiation. 1895 or so. Marie Curie 1898 coined the term
radioactivity. I'm not sure when Niepce de Saint Victor did his work,
but we are talking the latter part of the 19th century. Estimates of
the age of the earth were based totally without understanding
radioactive decay. Before that, radioactivity wasn't an issue.
Also, what you are saying about dust, makes no sense... as well... do
you know how much dust and dander humans produce, 1000 humans in an
enclosed space? And if you had trees you're going to have pollen.
And this village was made out of wood? Ton of microorganisms in
wood.
And cancer? It wasn't understood at all until the 20th century.
> I read a book about the French Revolution written by somebody born
> 1709. He wrote down the eye witness notes of his uncle. They were
> aware of "illness carriers" and they describe in great detail what
> they did to protect their families from them (e.g. they boiled stuff
> out with hot water to kill germs, etc.)
I'd buy boiling... but antibiotics are a 20th century invention.
> Infiltration is everywhere. An infiltrator resident in the village
> told me to go with her to downtown SLC, and that we would be back in
> no time...
> First I didn't want to, then I felt sorry for the woman as I thought
> she has nobody else to go with.
> She turned me over to RB and the German secret service. They took me
> to Germany and this was the end of a good life.
This is VERY unlikely. Germany was pretty damn busy after the war,
rebuilding. It's doubtful they would spend anytime in UTAH. It's even
more doubtful they would kidnap a 4 year old from Utah. It makes no
sense.
> I can swim, but I don't have the physical strength to on the bottom of
> the lake. Also remember how large the lake is. In order to find it, I
> have to walk the lake up and down on its ground! And even if I would
> do it, I still could miss it as it might as it does not stay at the
> same place all the time.
It's unlikely something so large and heavy moves. It makes no sense.
You could putter around on the surface, in a boat, and find it, if it
existed.
> > Four year olds don't have the memory or the cognitive skills to have
> > this sort of recall with any sort of accuracy.
>
> I was a very unsual kid. I also talked much sooner than other
> children.
Talking, possible, but that barrier between reality and fantasy?
> A burned uniform is no evidence. He came away. They used his uniform
> and burned another guy.
Ummmm.... near as I'm aware he was cremated by the Russians and they
kept the skull. The skull was tested in 1980... so either it's a
Scientist conspiracy or the dude died in the 40s.
Sorry
But if you believe differently, show me a Hitler.
> > > Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
> > > insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
> > > the Nazis.
>
> > Who, where?
>
> They sit in their secret headquarters and protect their bodies as they
> don’t want to get sick and old and die as we have to because they
> don’t allow us to live like they do.
There is no evidence to support this.
>
> > Plants need sunlight. Where does this sunlight come from?
>
> Not really. Some need light and you can create the light for them.
That is impractical, when there is enough sunlight on the surface.
And you mean to tell me that someone invested not only a light bulb,
but a grow lamp centuries ago... oh along with electricity.
Sorry, you can't grow trees in 20 feet of water, not without the right
soil and grow lamps. And, even then, it's a pain to grow trees
indoors. There is an arboretum in Iowa that employs tree shakers.
Also, where does candle wax come from? Pickings are pretty slim on
the bottom of the Great Salt Lake. No candle fish, only brine
shrimp. You could import bees but they need plants to make their wax,
and you would need enough to support 1000 people. Not practical.
Neither is rendering it from animal fat.
> The people in the village were handymen and fruit and vegetable
> growers. You don’t need large generators for them. If you have small
> generators for your home and small business, it is enough.
> The village does not look like Disney World with 100 000 lights.
At 20 to 40feet, you would need MORE THAN 100,000 to grow enough trees
to scrub the atmosphere. Even presuming 1000 people, and each one had
an electric lamp, that's like 60,000 to 100,000 watts of power.
Portable generators, in an enclosed environment, from people TRYING TO
GET AWAY FROM POLLUTION?!?!? Sorry that's living in your own filth.
For 1000 people you build a power plant. Air gets much cleaner even
on an island if you build a power plant, not to speak of an enclosed
village under water. And even then, you either need a ton of trees to
scrub the air, or you vent the power plant to the outside.
It's foolish to have small generators. They are not that
efficient.
>
> They don’t want the radioactive polluted food. They don’t want to get
> old and die.
> Even upper surface organic food is polluted to a certain grade.
But somehow these people have a totally self sufficient bio-dome?
Unlikely even with 21st century technology. We can do subs, but they
depend on food and resources form the outside, and nuclear power.
Century old technology, made out of wood? You are going to at the
very very very least get mold. And when you actually build under
ground, even underwater... you are MORE LIKELY TO BE EXPOSED TO RADON!
And healthy, it takes so much bother and effort to actually keep a
clean environment in an enclosed area.
> > But you can't run a generator in a closed environment without
> > polluting it.
>
> I think they made the electricity with water in the village. Recycled
> water generated the light.
Make electricity, with water in the village? Recycled water, recycled
from what. Human waste? Well, at least urine would be easier to
convert back to potable water than the Salt Lake water. But this
takes energy.
You can't just magically make energy from water. You could make a
small dam, but you would notice that on the surface.
> They don’t want the polluted air. They want their own air.
But according to you, they pollute their own air with these small
generators. They pollute the air them selves by breathing.
> >If this existed centuries ago, how the living hell did
> > they get O2 down there?
>
> Some invention are older than school text books say.
But O2 scrubbing requires understanding of chemistry, and even then a
ton of experiments are required to get there.
But this is a baseless assertion. You need to provide evidence of
this... evidence of a simple lime o2 scrubber used before the 19th
century. Lots of luck.
> They architects of this village did it somehow.
How!
> Information was and is suppressed on this planet. We might think that
> the radio is invented not too long ago but from the private notes of
> the French Revolution, I was able to tell that many of the soldiers
> and the people who robbed houses had actually ear implants and a case
> officer.
> And remember, that was 17th Century.
Ummm... 17th century they did have some understanding of surgery,
sure. But you know what those ear implants were like? They were
trumpets... really. Large opening to a little one. Nothing to do
with radio, or electricity.
And no, information is not that well suppressed. In fact we have an
information explosion. Even before the telephone, radio, telegraph,
you know what we had, we had a trivial little idea for public
libraries. We are presently talking on a planetary wide computer
network, on a decades old system reasonably free from censorship. And
you are talking about suppression of information?
> > Now, you might be able to get away with a ton of blue green algae, but
> > they need sunlight.
>
> They need light but no sunlight.
Yes, they do!
> > Well... you bring germs with you, to an enclosed damp environment.
>
> As you make your own water and soap, you reduce them more and more.
How do you MAKE YOUR OWN WATER. And it's an environment that's always
damp. Have you ever lived on a boat? That's what we are talking
about. Boats are high maintenance , esp wooden ones and having a
wooden underwater village compounds the problem.
Make the soap, from what? How?
> > Also there is the issue of waste disposal. It can't be healthy to
> > live in your own waste, and were there decent pumps centuries ago?
>
> It is a very clean village. Perhaps they burned the waste or they
> brought it outside to a dump.
> BTW, I know 100 % that they had no cemetery in the village.
You can't bury it because you are in an enclosed space UNDERWATER.
You could bring it outside to a dump, but that would be a ton of
work.
You really have to explain this basic need.
> > Air filters.
>
> They made their own oxygen. It is not our dirty air.
How did they make their own oxygen? Electrolysis? Far fetched.
Electricity wasn't really in use until well the last part of the 19th
century. There were experiments in the middle of the 19th, perhaps
Sir William Grove with his hydro-fuel cell, but you're talking a mass
application of it. You need some sort of engine, or hydro plant to do
it, and even then... you can't use pure oxygen. Not for humans, and
not for plants.
I can't see "making air" on this scale centuries ago. And even then,
where does the water come from? The Great Salt Lake.
> We die with approx. 70 years, they can live as long as they want if
> they are not murdered on orders of the German psych secret service. I
> rather stay forever young and healthy without burning in the sun.
> If you want to have a tan, eat carrots.
Ummmm... you still need vitamin D. And overdosing on carrots isn't
healthy either.
> > Closed environments require much in the way if infrastructure to be
> > healthy.
>
> And?
The infrastructure didn't exist centuries ago. Sorry.
Electricity, electric light, electrolysis to "make air" from water,
salt water (don't mind the chlorine).
> > > Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
> > > healthy and young.
>
> > HOW. Where does fresh water come from?
>
> They made the water from scratch. Probably cooled an area till it
> became ice and then melted the ice.
How! You don't MAKE water. There isn't enough free hydrogen in the
atmosphere to "make it". The best way to get water, is from water.
Really. You can get it from the sky, a river, a lake, well, aquifer,
tons of sources... but you can't magically make water.
And we are talking the great salt lake. Cooling does help separate
out the salt, this is true. But the GSL is typically 15% salt. Do
you know how low the temp needs to be for it to freeze? Somewhere
between -10C to -20C (I'm too lazy to calculate grams per mole). Or
14 to -4F. Doing this centuries ago? VERY unlikely considering one
of America's earliest industry was the export of ICE from the Michigan
area and New York (Canal Street). Ice was also imported in the
classical era. You could make ice using sodium or potassium nitrate
which was known in the 17th century, but you are talking sub freezing
and large scale. As I'm sure you note, the lake does not freeze. It
wasn't until the middle of the 19th century when we were able to make
our own ice using an ammonia based refrigerator, 1860 IIRC. Practical
use, early 20th century.
And even then, it would take MORE energy to freeze ice water than it
would to simply boil it... and as a bonus, steam distillation will get
out many other things not salt, though without filtering you're going
to have a nice happy glass of stewed brine shrimp. Yum yum.
> Too bad I did not made notes about it and tattooed them on my body
> before the age of 4.
> If you cool an area you get ice. The ice can be melted and is water
> that was never used before.
But you know all this other stuff, you were talking by 4, this is
rather rudimentary stuff. Ice isn't practical on the scale you would
need, and wasn't really an option until massive refrigerators early
20th century. Steam was the tool of choice and was used centuries
ago... and still is used today.
But this could be avoided by not living in a bloody 15% salt lake.
> They made no huge fires in the village. I remember that candles were
> used.
> They lived good there.
But they ran portable generators. That's pretty nutty in an enclosed
space.
> > > You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
> > > outside. It is paradise, Panda, and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard
> > > said that too.
>
> > Ummmm... this is where we start talking science fiction. People
> > age... period.
>
> Says who? People age because they are living in a polluted, UV,
> chemical and germ mess and drink chemicals and eat them. They age
> inside and outside. But if you get out of this, you have very
> different chances.
Says modern science. I mean really, all you have to do is actually
touch bases on the average life span of a person in an
unindustrializeds part of the world... like some brand spanking new
pacific islands only 50 years old.
> I am not talking about antibiotics. You don’t need them if you live in
> the village. What for? You don’t get the infections, the germs on the
> surface are giving you the infections.
Sorry, the first humans going in there would not be 100% free of
infection, and it's a damp moist environment even with SOAP will be a
breading ground for a ton of bacteria. Anything you bought in would
be contaminated. Antibiotics are a 20th century invention, they were
not discovered centuries ago.
> The cell life is limited because the cell has to live under the same
> conditions. Let a cell live in the village and it will not die.
Cells die all the time, but they divide. As we grow older we grow
less new cells. The Hayflick limit is the number of times a cell can
divide before the telomere reaches critical length. This is basic
biology. The exception of stemcells.
That being said, there are some humans who have lived beyond 100. The
longest documented that I'm aware of is 122.
> > Ummmmm.... no. Lifestyle can extend the average age of a human to 80,
> > 90. There are some cases were people live up to 100, but this is
> > frankly just fiction. There is no evidence to support your claims,
> > and a 4 year old wouldn't have the background to understand any of
> > this.
>
> Again, I was a very special little girl.
> You age and you die because you have to live like in stone age on the
> surface on the earth.
> The body is immortal in the right environment.
Ummm, no. Hayflick limit is very well proven. You see, there is a
problem with cancer. Every time a cell divides there is a chance for
error. Environment is a factor, but there's going to be error. A
lifespan is likely a result of evolution, as a truly long life beyond
100 years, nay, beyond 200 years really adds the likelihood of
error.
Your assertion is, respectfully, unproven.
> They found a German Earl in Eastern Germany. He died and after he was
> dead, they put him in something like the village just smaller. His
> body didn’t age a day but was centuries down there.
> He should have moved in that place while he still was alive. He would
> be now 400 years old but would probably younger than you.
Doubtful.
> > > Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
> > > ARS poster, which tells me that they either have a death wish or think
> > > they don't deserve staying young and healthy.
>
> > Who are you to judge how long a person lives.
>
> Here it is again, just as I wrote. I am being attacked for telling
> people that they don’t have to die in average of 70 years, it is like
> biting the hand that feeds them.
You are making a assertion with no evidence. You are also saying
these people don't deserve longer lives. You are making a judgment
for humanity.
If you really want to improve the human condition, and you think you
know a way, get a grant, build your own village. Be aware that other
biodome projects have failed due to the human element and not being
able to sustain a closed ecosystem. This is not an attack, this sort
of research is vital to space travel and future exploration. And if
as a side benefit people live longer, well, I'm more than happy to be
wrong.
But even under water 20 feet, you're not going to be totally away from
radiation. You your self claim there is sunlight... so the higher
energy ionizing radiation will still filter through, as with sunlight
greatly reduced. Cosmic rays will remain unaffected.
>
> > Any hatred of you in
> > this group is based on the fact that you attack others, post their
> > personal information in 80+ line signatures.
>
> Crap.
Nope, I've seen them, you release personal information on other
people. Why?
> Crap again. I am attacked because your p$ych case officers don’t want
> you to find out the truth.
No, there is no evidence to support a P$ych conspricy.
> They are not even good to their own agents.
> I was already attacked and defamed before I ever posted one single
> word.
I only know what I see you post here.
>
> > > The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> > > lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> > > beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
>
> > Ummmm.... this is just nuts.
>
> Nuts? You think a cage in a mountain cannot crash?
I can explain it very simply.
Wooden village with a glass ceiling under 20, perhaps 40 feet of
water.
Cage inside a mountain.
To take out "The Village" you need only depth charges. Conventional
explosives.
Cage in a mountain, either some mega tons of conventional explosives,
or nuclear.
Laser beam earth quake weapons? This respectfully is science fiction,
and if it wasn't, as you explained your "Village" gets sunlight via a
glass dome. Targeted directly and ZAP. Also you said it putters
around on the bottom of the Salt Lake. Even these laser earthquake
weapons existed, well, what would happen in the event of some heavy
seismic activity. Ground hits "The Village" and crack... all gone.
And nuclear? Forget about it. Water is good protection from heat,
but the radiation... not so much when it contaminates the water it
self. And as you said, it's made of wood and glass. This is not good
shielding.
And when you break out the big guns... the really big guns, well,
you're pretty screwed anyway, so it's really time to kiss your ass
good bye.
> >Being under 20-40 feet of water is not
> > adequate protection, and as you stated before, this was built
> > centuries ago.
>
> Nothing is foolproof protection. The best protection is to better the
> world and make people respect each other and to show them how they
> will suffer if they don’t build a better world.
But... they don't build a better world do they? They build an
isolated community of hundreds of people. They don't interact with
the outside world, they just, according to you, sit at the bottom of
the Great Salt Lake and putter around, and don't share how they
created the worlds first successful biodome project, an important step
for space colonization.
This presumes "The Village" exists, and there is no evidence to
support that it does.
>
> Being inside a mountain is far far better protection
>
> > from bombs than being underwater, where you could just conventional
> > explosives, i.e. depth charges. Crack the wall, and poof!
>
> You are wrong. Anybody knows where your mountain is and where to throw
> the bomb or use the laser beam to make the earth quake. If you throw
> a bomb in a big lake, you have to know exactly where the submarine
> village is in order to hit it. It might not more be at the spot where
> the attacker suspected it.
Actually... everyone DOESN'T know where your mountain is. There could
be projects today digging holes into mountains. Hell must of the LRH
tech is dug into a mountain.
Water isn't much of physical barrier. Limited stealth, you can use
sonar to find "the village" in the great salt lake. It's made of
wood. And even if you didn't, you can drain the lake by making a
canal. Sonar doesn't work so well in ground or rock. It's a great
physical barrier to bombs as bombs can't travel through rock like
water. And there are more mountains than salt lakes.
> > An earthquake underwater would be MORE problematic than the surface as
> > one a break in a wall would spring a leak.
>
> That’s why the village is not in the ocean but in the GSL. Once water
> pours in, it lifts up 40 feet and the people can get out.
That's a tad far fetched. If they have been living at that pressure
for... I dunno, HOURS, the body is going to take free nitrogen from
the air and put it in the blood. You know what's going to happen if
it cracks and you have to escape? YOUR BLOOD BOILS. It's called the
bends and if you are talking being down there for years, it's lethal.
Sorry... you'll need to spend time in a pressure chamber to go back to
1 atmosphere... or technically less. Even if this was not a factor,
there is going to be a high death factor from those people whose lungs
EXPLODE climbing up to the surface. This can be avoided by exhaling
as you climb and at 40 feet drowning is a very likely
possibility. .
> > And laserbeam earthquakes? This is pure fantasy. Even presuming we
> > could generate enough in the way of laser energy to melt rock, that
> > would be pretty effective underwater wouldn't it.
>
> You know all the lasers, huh? What makes you think that there is no
> laser than can get thru water?
> I could probably invent such one within a day.
I said it would be pretty effective underwater. According to you,
they get sunlight. Some of the laser would be defused, this is true,
but not all of it. Far far far more effective than a laser beam
earthquake, which is a technology you have no evidence for.
> >Let's see how we
> > could attack an underwater village in the Great Salt Lake shall we?
>
> > 1) Depth charges
> > 2) Drain the lake
> > 3) Tunnel
> > ...
>
> What the matter with you ? Why would you attack that peaceful village?
> After all the many years even wars, they were and still are safe.
> And what is the problem now with tunnels and draining?
This is your fantasy. You claimed it provided excellent protection.
I'm showing you it doesn't, not without secrecy which, according to
you, the Nazi psyches know about, and don't want anyone else to live
longer.
> The problem that the residents have are more secret attacks instead of
> somebody draining the lake but there were such attempts via weather
> satellites.
We have no weather satellites.
>
> We have the equipment to build a tunnel between France and England,
> so
> that would be non-trivial but possible. Draining the lake would be
> the most practical as it is way above sea level. Depth charges are
> probally the most effective.
>
> > Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> > (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> > attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> > Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> > me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
>
> This is fiction.
>
> Everything that your mind doesn’t allow you to grasp is fiction.
No. When you invest things that don't exist in today's world, that's
fiction.
> > Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> > village.
>
> Why not.... let's say, the Great Lakes? It's fresh water which is
> less problematic than Salt water.
>
> No, the salt water preserves, it preserves the sub.
Salt water corrodes metal rather well. Also, that glass ceiling, you
know what happens in the winter, the salt content goes down and the
salt precipitates downwards, which will cake on the glass.
> > > And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> > > why do they need subs?
> > In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
> > In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
> > place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
> > lived, I could see the market place but it was
> > a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
> > around the village.
>
> It had a post office, but the address does not exist on the map.
>
> The
> US postal service can not deliver to there.
>
> It must have their own zip code. A resident of the village must pick
> up the mail from the outside and bring it in the village.
So it's no longer a closed environment , you can bring mail from the
surface which is going to be contaminated with microbes, bacteria,
virii, and the spit they used to lick the envelope and the stamp.
> >You can't power a train on a little generator, even for let's say 5
> >people. You need fuel or batteries, and with batteries you still need
> >a power plant to get the power.
>
> That's easy.
Not underwater with no access to open air. Diesel subs have a limited
amount of time they can stay under, because the air runs out.
>
> > It had hundred of residents.
>
> How many hundred of residents?
>
> ** I didn't conduct any census.
You presented the information, it's up to you to back up your
statements.
> Google is weird, the layout changed, it is hard to say who wrote what.
> I mark my answers with two stars** now.
>
> Do you know how many trees a single
> person needs to get their daily allotment of oxygen?
>
> ** It was loaded with trees. It was completely green.
And mobile too? That's a amazing... that's beyond belief.
> I believe a
> given tree will take away about 13lbs of carbon per year. Given the
> massive power requirements of the underwater village... most of it to
> make light for the trees, 150 trees per person won't cut it, but
> presuming 150 trees per person, and presuming 1000 people, that's
> 150,0>00 trees. Presuming they are spaced 12 feet a part, or 300
> trees
> per acre, that's about 500 acres just for trees... under water! This
> also presumes you can let the trees continue to grow, which you can't
> because your max ceiling on average is 20 feet. So, you need another
> 500 acres of trees to take into account that you have to chop trees
> that grow too big. This is not taking into account how much land
> you
> need to grow crops for people in this closed environment, which isn't
> so closed anymore as it has a post office.
>
> **The village was not that high but it was large. Probably as big as
> Monte Carlo.
A mobile Monte Carlo?
> > One reason why they didn't talk about it much on the outside is
> > because they didn't want it overrun by curious people.
> > Who wouldn't want to see it.
>
> But here you are, talking about it. But get this... no one has ever
> found this underwater village of yours.
>
> ** There you see, it is much more secure than your mountain village!
Obviously not, you broadcasted it's location to the planet in usenet,
if it exists.
And mobile too apparently.
> > > That sort of venture you really need the government backing.
> > I agree. They had the government backing.
>
> But there needs to be an application for this. Research,
> experiments,
> tactical military value, natural resources... all of these things can
> be had at a lower price by
> 1) Building on the surface
> 2) Building underground
> 3) building walls and removing the water
> 4) using the scuba gear and diving
>
> > It is huge.
>
> **The individuals who constructed the place where not poor.
They would be after this project, billions of dollars to make such a
place, out of wood no less, that doesn't turn a profet?
No practical application, no need, no commercial value.
>
> If it's so huge, you could find it with ease couldn't you, in a
> rowboat, puttering around the lake.
>
> ** It is under water. But perhaps, if the post man leaves to pick up
> mail, you could see a dry spot where he gets out. But you have to find
> him on the large lake at the right moment.
As you stated, according to you it's close enough to the surface to
get sunlight. That would mean you could see it. Puttering around in
a rowboat you can catch it on sonar, camera, microphone as you said
this huge place travels, it's going to make some serious noise.
>
> > > Use a rock.
> > Lol. A rock? I can't carry a rock that is so heavy that it would pull
> > me down.
>
> Then you are not very strong. You can rent a weight set from a
> nearby
> scuba shop, but they are cheap enough to just buy them.
> Or, get boat, get rock, get rock on boat. Hold onto rock fall out of
> boat, sink, release rock float. Repeat if necessary.
>
> *** My strongest muscle is my brain. :)
Obviously not if you can't use a rock.
> > You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
> > anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
> > the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
> > supported by wood. Beautiful.
>
> There is absolutely no reason to have a sub on the great salt lake
> except for stealth or exploration. A wooden submarine would be
> impractical. ALL WOOD BOATS LEAK. Being underwater would make it a
> bigger problem.
>
> ** Not this one. I think the salt helps to preserve.
No, it doesn't. Teak, pine, oak, mahogany, THEY ALL LEAK. Under
pressure THEY LEAK MORE. You could prove me wrong by going to a
marina and finding a wooden boat that doesn't leak. They do not
exist. Also, in that sort of space, dry rot is a real issue even in
salt water. Wood is NOT the material to use. Sorry.
Wood is porous. You put it in water, it absorbs water. Water under
pressure, even with a perfect seal, water will get through.
. .
> > I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
> > raised in this village.
> > I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
> > but avoided
> > to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
>
> So it must be a conspiracy?
>
> ** Yes, as this is what I had to deal with all the time.
Well, the only evidence of a conspiracy you have is silence.
a) The Village is real and no one is talking about it
b) The Village is not real and no one is talking about it
Given the unlikelihood of your claims, b is more likely.
> You are the only person who talks about this village. Period!
>
> *** Hey, it was you who started this thread. You want to know. You
> talk about it. Period!
I would like it if this place was real. It would be a marvel of
modern engineering, even if it was made of out modern materials.
>
> > This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
> > under water.
>
> But you said it was a place that people lived, not a resort. If it's
> a resort it's going to have people coming and going. A resort would
> be different, you could get air and supplies when you bring on
> people.
>
> ** It was LIKE a huge resort but residents lived there permanent.
Luxurious, but hardly practical. It's mobile so you're going to have
to keep weight low. If it's stationary, well, space is still at a
premium.
> > I have hard evidence. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
> > village.
>
> Sorry, that's not hard evidence. You were 4 when you claim to have
> been kidnapped by the Nazis, and a 4 year old's memory isn't all that
> great.
>
> ** I amaze myself sometimes about my abilities.
Well, you can be amazed all you like, it doesn't make it credible.
Show me the Village.
>
> Hard evidence is something physical. A photograph would be
> dandy, a location would be dandier.
>
> ** Sure, the Germans kidnap me and let me keep a photo of the sub. Get
> real.
Well, the events you are describing are, in all fairness, just as
unlikely.
But again, no evidence to support the claim.
> Eye witnesses would even be a
> start, but to date you are the ONLY person who talks about it,
>
> ** And you, and other before you were also fascinated by that
> village..
I'm fascinated with biodomes. They are an important thing to research
if we are going to make a moon base, or colonize other planets. But
nothing you describe in this village is practical to this end.
>
> and you
> even claim the Nazis, the government, and the Mormons know about it.
>
> ** They do.
And you have no supporting evidence?
>
> Keep in mind that there are people who claim to have been taken on
> alien craft. But there is no evidence to back up their claim.
>
> ** It exist. If I would have the cash, I would build another one.
>
> > No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
> > grow up in this place. I was kidnapped from this place.
>
> Why, why was a 4 year old kidnapped by Nazi psychiatrists?
>
> **To cause Ron pain.
Respectfully, I don't think Ron was a threat to the German government,
nor do I think there is any reason to cause him pain. Why not shot
him, or you? Far more cost effective... but without a body there is
always hope.
Now in all fairness, Ron was monitored by the US government as it
turns out.
>
> > Why not
>
> kidnap someone more local, which well they did during the war, and
> there was a good reason.... cause too many people died.
>
> **The Germans knew that I am a special kid. Like Himmler said, if we
> find a kid that we want, we take it.
That was during the war trying to create a master race. That dream
died when Germany was occupied by the US and the Soviets.
>
> > If his parents remain in the village, they can live forever, and I wish it to
> > them with all my heart.
>
> Um no.
>
> ** What, um no?
They can't live forever. Humans have been observed to live a little
bit more than 100 years, but not much more than 100 years. I
illustrated this point earlier.
>
> > But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
> > against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly repeated.
>
> We're ignoring LRH for the moment.
>
> ** Why, he is the key to all of this.
I don't see how. LRH wasn't really a part of The Village... we rather
know this from most of his life being writing books and publishing.
He spent much time on a boat, and his final days in Cali.
>
> > It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
> > a thing. But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the
> > mainland. But I didn't find it. GSL is huge.
>
> There is no evidence of this.... you can easily find the marina and
> docks and observe the traffic. Hell, satellite photography is pretty
> good and available.
>
> ** Satellite pic UNDER water?
Yes. At 20 feet you can spot things like subs. convert to an 8 bit
image and perform color rotation. It's a poor mans spectral
analysis.
> > The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
> > water, it is in the village.
>
> Which requires power, which isn't going to be powered by a dinky
> little generator.
>
> ** Many little generators, each provides a home or little shop.
Not practical, and would foul the air. You would really need a power
plant to do anything on the scale of 1000 people or more, and find
some way to vent the exhaust. You don't want to live in generator
exhaust.
>
> What you are probably describing is light rail,
> which would need POWER. You don't have nuclear there, I presume, so
> you're going to need coal, oil, wood... and where does the waste gas
> go?
>
> *** It would be mechanical or batteries.
Batteries generate a HUGE amount of waste, and this waste is heavy
metal. Not the sort of thing you would want in a clean Village.
Also, when your average battery gets hit with salt water, you get
chlorine gas.
Mechanical would still need some sort of engine to wind it up.
>
> > I have quite some fantasy.
>
> Yes, you do.
>
> > But this village goes beyond my fantasy.
> > It is real as I remember it.
>
> Just because you remember something as a 4 year old doesn't make it
> real. When I was 4 I couldn't tell the difference between a light
> rail and an elevator. Children's barrier between fantasy and reality
> is thin. We learn critical reasoning as an adult.
>
> ** I was not a regular kid. I was able to speak just a few weeks after
> birth. That is what I was told by others. They said they never saw
> anything like it.
> Don't attack me on this. This is what I was told.
I can believe a bright kid speaking at a young age, but not really
weeks after birth. I would be very skeptical. I was a late talker my
self... I know this because I used a cassette recorder.
> > I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
> > the inside of this village by recalling it. We even had a swimming
> > pool. It is the most beautiful place that I ever saw.
>
> You saw something because you wanted to see something. The mind is
> very tricky.
>
> ** My mind is not tricky. Mine is a sensation. My memory was removed
> by the p$ychs and I was able to recover it.
So you believe your self to be different than every other human on
earth. Interesting.
>
> You can have 20 people claim they were Napoleon in a
> former life, that doesn't mean they all were Napoleon in a former
> life.
>
> ** That's true. Many people claimed to be Jesus. They might had felt
> that they were cruzified and thought that they were Jesus but
> criminals were cruzified too in those times.
So you would agree that past life regression should be met with
extreme skepticism. Good, that's progress.
> The hypnagogic state is a funny place, where visual and
> auditory hallucinations are the norm.
>
> ** That is what p$ychs want me to believe as they don't want me to
> continue to look for the village. They know, I tell the world that
> there is a better place and that they can stay healthy and young. But
> they don't want others to live good lives.
I am not going to tell you to stop looking for The Village. I'm
extremely skeptical. If you believe it exists, and want to spend your
life looking for it, it's your life. But do it right. You mastered
the legal system, so you are no intellectual slob. You could if you
so desired
1) Get a boat, row boat or sail boat
2) Get some rudimentary camera gear (old 12V camcorders would be
dandy) Microphone would be good.
3) Search the lake. Given it's size you can rule out places too
shallow to look, that'll narrow down your search area by, well, over
25%. Offset the cost of this adventure by selling videos. It might
help to search anything unusual, some as some locals believe in a lake
monster.
That's the ticket. Prove me and everyone else wrong. I'm happy to be
wrong, and in fact it would turn my understanding of this world upside
down... and that is a rare gift.
> > It is a beautiful place, they have a high school there. The kids don't
> > want to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
> > No, some secrets, just as ear implants are hushed up forever.
>
> Ear implants?
> ** Exactly.
If you're referring to 17th century ear implants, those were
trumpets. No radio or electricity. .
>
> ** I was a lady already by age of 4. Lady's don't talk about poop.
Odd, since well, you were potty trained.
> Ok, let's take a Los Angles class attack sub. 130 people. 360foot
> long, 33 ft tall, 29foot wide. We're talking cramped space. You're
> talking something 10 times the size, with trees, houses, and a high
> school, moving around?
>
> ** Perhaps you should draw it and put in on a website one day.
> It is not a military sub, how often do I have to tell you this? It is
> a village under water with a glass roof.
Sorry, things of this size are pretty limited to military. Huge space
requirements to house 100 people underwater for weeks at a time, and
you're talking about something for a lifetime.
>
> And if it's moving around, you can hear it. So get some sonar gear
> and find your village.
>
> ** It is deep in the lake. You don't hear it crawling slowly forward.
If it weighs TONS you can hear it. Really. Not to speak of portable
generators (power plant would be more practical), all those pesky
humans going to work or at play.
Askren
She just said "if you cool a certain area, you get ice."
She thinks you can make ice from nothing.
Lulz.
peters...@gmail.com
She sees infiltrators, kidnappers, conspiracies, impostors. She is
even convinced there is a village on the bottom GSL.
What do you think is wrong with her?
Peter
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down
on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with
reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts.
The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some
of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is
to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
This guy is the typical p$ychiatric troll. Lies, p$ychiatric
defamation and a very low IQ.
Read also this:
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Sorry to break your dolly, Mr. Heckler, but the village had equipment
to make the water.
But on the other side, an OT should be able to make the ice just by
saying:
Let it be ice. Or better: Let it be water! (So he doesn't has to waste
time for melting it.)
Askren, you and most of the other 5000 guys who rail against
Scientology have major problem: You are biased, dishonest and you
can't explore and think. That is why you fall for just about any lie
about Scientology.
If I would have an IQ like that, the German p$ych secret service would
have succeeded with killing me already years ago.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On 8 jun, 17:17, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dude.
>
> > She just said "if you cool a certain area, you get ice."
>
> > She thinks you can make ice from nothing.
>
> > Lulz.
>
> She sees infiltrators, kidnappers, conspiracies, impostors. She is
> even convinced there is a village on the bottom GSL.
> What do you think is wrong with her?
High IQ is "wrong" with me, Peter. High ethics level is "wrong" with
me, Peter. OT abilities are "wrong" with me, Peter. Not being a remote
controlled German p$ych agent with ear implants is "wrong" with me,
Peter.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On 8 jun, 07:22, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. Important is just that I
> > believe what I saw and I do. I know what's fantasy and what is real.
> > And this village exists on Earth because I lived in it.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> You are serious about this imaginary village, right?
> Then you are even more deluded than I ever thought.
> You even could beat Hubbard in kookery!
I was able to recall that L. Ron Hubbard wanted Scientologists to live
in such protected villages. Too bad that the German controlled p$ych
infiltrators removed these writings of them. They want Scientologists
to die just like other people and whenever a person drops a body, they
see a chance to implant a person, degrade her and remove her knowledge
about Scientology.
>
> BTW. Do you remember a few months ago when you claimed these were all
> lies, made up to make you look crazy?
I never claimed that what I said were lie, I claim that what others
(like you) lie about me are lies.
> You even got the Wikipedia page removed that contained this story
> because it was all lies! And now you confirm it?
Wikipedia contained deliberately lies and deliberate false light
information.
Not even the place of my birth, they could get right.
By reading it, I ask myself: who is that person that they describe? It
reminds not remotely to my real life and what I did.
And why do you think that you unsignificant guy deserves any
confirmation by me?
>
> I'll save it just in case you are going to deny it in the future.
You are a primitive and lying slimeball, Peter. Save this for the
future. You may cite that any time
and this too:
"It has been proven that Peter Schielte, a p$ychiatric troll
who attack his critics, who are seen as enemies, in order to silence
them and obstruct their activities against
his masters, the p$ychs and the German secret service."
Barbara Schwarz
Skipper
<198784e4-45f6-4445...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
<BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2:01 am, redcoat1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Barbara needs a padded cell and no sharp objects around her.
> >
> > She has already cost the American taxpayer piles of money for her
> > insane FOIA crap.
> >
> > She is a leach and is completely insane
>
> This guy is the typical p$ychiatric troll. Lies, p$ychiatric
> defamation and a very low IQ.
Yeah yeah. So do you have a submarine village or not? I'm hoping you do
and that there's a golf course there where the Nazi scientists have
kept your grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower alive. If so, I want to play
golf with Ike. If they kept your daddy Elwrong alive and he's around,
he can caddy for us, because he sucked at golf.
peters...@gmail.com
If this village exists and is so much better, why don't you go back?
Peter
"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower
bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an
almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the
dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered."
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 1:31 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > I never made "wild accusations". Your postings are on 1.1.. With a
> > hidden knife, you attack me in your postings and try to get away with
> > it. I don't like people who are on 1.1.
>
> 1.1 is a Scientology term. I'm trying to get at the facts, evaluating
> information and making a conclusion.
Right, L. Ron Hubbard's explains on the tonescale about tonelevel 1.1.
You better get used to it as it is science. It will stay around, and
the entire world will be able to discover people that are low on the
tonescale, which means, they will be less disappointed in others as
they are able to figure out who they can trust and not.
>
> > If you would have read what I wrote about the submarine village, you
> > would not post about ocean submarines, as I never wrote about ocean
> > subs.
>
> Well, the Great Salt Lake is pretty salty, more so than open ocean.
> It would stand to reason that any sub that could go into the GSL would
> do perfectly well in ocean.
>
> But this begs the question, why do you need submarines in the GSL.
> Subs are used for either stealth or exploration, and the GSL is so
> shallow, greatest depth 40 feet, you can just use some snorkel gear,
> or scuba gear.
Panda, what don't you want to understand? The village was build
centuries ago under the surface of the water as AN ALTERNATIVE AND
HEALTIER WAY TO LIVE, not to shot any missiles. If you don't get it
now, you make me cry about you and your little horizon.
Again, it was build centuries ago mainly for the following reasons:
No outside pollution, to preserve health and youth and as secure for
its residents (It is now 2008, and you guys still doubt its existence,
which means, it is very secure).
I swam a couple of times in the GSL. You can't dive there as the water
doesn't allow you to get down. Is that so hard to understand? You need
special equipment that pulls you down. Is that so hard to understand?
(However, if there is a twister, you can drown in the GSL as you
suffocate on the waves that spill in your face, but you can't dive to
the ground.)
>
> > I lived in a submarine village for the first years of my life. It was
> > a very beautiful village with a slow train going from station to
> > station, very green, very beautiful. It was under water for security
> > and health reasons (e.g. no dust and contamination, etc.).
>
> This doesn't sound practical. If it's a civilian operation, why the
> security?
Because of the p$ychs and their agents. The German secret service (run
secretly by German p$ychs) hate Jews, Marty's family, L. Ron Hubbard,
Dwight David Eisenhower and won't let them live in peace. The village
is a great place to live but it is also infiltrated. I was lured out
of the village in age of 4, and she was a resident of the village. She
turned me over to the German secret service who kidnapped me to
Germany.
I was born many years after Hitler was allegedly defeated but I met so
many still active Nazis in Germany that I can say that the Nazis are
not gone and still operate on 3rd Reich activities.
Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
the Nazis.
==============================-==============================-====
One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we
must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our
own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a
Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations
can offer in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary
by KIDNAPPING THEIR CHILDREN AND RAISING THEM WITH US.
Whether
nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only
in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise,
it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall
down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest
me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished.
We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary,
that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world
who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a
decent attitude towards these human animals...
Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler
October 4, 1943
Poznan
==============================-==============================
>
> Also, where does the green come from if it's under water?
You take healthy seeds and plant them in a clean environment, they
they grow, then you harvest.
>Do they
> generate power to provide grow lamps? Do they burn coal, use hydro,
> or nuclear? Why would a self enclosed environment be healthier?
Yes, there was light down there. But no huge power station. Rather
small generators.
Why closed environment would be healthier? Because Chernobyl and other
environmental disasters won't get to you. Allergies won't get you
either.
Did you ever go in the forest (where air allegedly is the healthiest)
and looked against the sun and did you see
all the contaminants in the air? That is what you breathe in. And
gazillions of germs you don't even see with the bare
eye. Why would anybody not want to live cleaner?
Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
healthy and young.
You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
outside. It is paradise, Panda,
and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard said that too.
You die in average of 70s on the surface of the Earth, and you feel
and look rather bad at the end of these 70 years.
If you would move today in such a village, you would not age a day.
You could live forever by feeling and looking young.
Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
ARS poster, which tells me that they either have
a death wish or think they dont deserve staying young and
healthy.
>
> It would be more practical to go underground or drill into a mountain,
> and even then, even then it would not be practical to grow plants.
The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
lovely civilization, and you would be all dead.
A lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a village.
>
> And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> why do they need subs?
In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
lived, I could see the market place but it was
a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
around the village.
>
> > It is a village. It has little houses and trees. It Iooks like a huge
> > country club NOT like a military submarine. It has no skyscrapers.
>
> Well, it's under the Salt Lake... which well... why dedicate all this
> space to build houses? Keep in mind in the deepest parts you only
> have 40feet to work with. A house in an open air environment is the
> least practical.
You miss the point. The village is occupied by many different
families. (As I recall many Mormons were there.)
You want your own house to raise your family and have some privacy.
But the windows were more decorative than as protection
of something. You could sleep on your padio as it was just as safe as
your closed home.
>
> > You don't get it. THE SUBMARINE VILLAGE DID NOT HAD ANY MILITARY
> > PURPOSE. IT WAS A PLACE TO LIVE.
>
> That sort of venture you really need the government backing.
I agree. They had the government backing.
> It would
> be just to massive a project for your average civilian outfit. It
> would be a huge expense to build a city underwater even at
> 20-40feet.
It is a huge.
>
> > I assume that you never swam in the GSL. It is hard to get down there
> > without weights on your legs as the water keeps you at the surface.
>
> Use a rock. FYI I have actually swam in the GSL. It's nice, I like
> it. I can't say I noticed any subs.
You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
supported by wood. Beautiful.
>
> > Of course nothing will change my mind, as I saw it, I was down there,
> > you don't.
>
> You seem to be the only one who was down there.
I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
raised in this village.
I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
but avoided
to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
> Now there are
> compounds in the Salt Flats of Utah. They tunnel into the salt to
> provide space to dispose of nuclear waste, as well as doing testing.
> This could be seen as mini cities, but this is a case where there is a
> practical application, building in a place where nuclear accidents
> would have a minimal effect on the local population, and less locals
> to complain.
The State of utah protested against storage of nuclear waste in the
GSL.
This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
under water.
>
> > You can't convince me. You are like one of the Spaniards who never
> > were in America who told Christopher Columbus (after he returned from
> > America) how America looks like...
>
> Columbus thought he was in the East Indies. He thought that for a few
> voyages. But in his case, he travelled about 3000 miles, and brought
> back spices, gold, and I presume marijuana.
That might be right.
> There was hard evidence
> he traveled somewhere, just not to the East Indies.
I have hard evidence too. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
village.
>
> You claim to have grown up in an underwater INLAND submarine base,
> where there is no evidence to this day that it exists.
No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
grow up in this place.
I was kidnapped from this place. It is the same lie as that I said
that Marty is the secret heir
of the de Rothschild fortune. I don't know anything about any fortune
and it makes no sense. Why would
Marty as the son of the Anmerican family branch de Rothschild be the
SECRET and not official heir?
And who says that he ever inherits? If his parents remain in the
village, they can live forever, and I
wish it to them with all my heart.
But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly
repeated.
> There is no
> one else who talks about it, you can't find massive power cables to
> power this underwater arboretum,
It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
a thing.
But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the mainland.
But I didn't find it.
GSL is huge.
> no evidence of a train route that
> goes under the lake, and no one in all these years have spotted any of
> these submarines in a lake with an average depth of 20feet.
The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
water, it is in the village.
>
> The case against Chattanooga is strong. But if you want to putter
> around the lake in a rowboat, get your self a GPS and get an
> underwater camera, microphone, metal detector, feel free. I'd be most
> pleased to be wrong on this issue. Your story is unlikely.
I have quite some fantasy. But this village goes beyond my fantasy. It
is real as I remember it.
I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
the inside of this village by
recalling it. We even had a swimming pool. It is the most beautiful
place that I ever saw.
>
> If kids were permitted there, and if it was just a place to live,
> people tend to talk about things, even super secret things.
It is a beautiful place, they have a school there. The kids don't want
to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
No, some things, just as ear implants are hushed up.
>
> > Right, by reading your posting, I am thinking the same that CC was
> > thinking when such guys knew everything better without ever being
> > there.
>
> Respectfully, since you are the only one that claims existence of
> Chattanooga, odds are it's a figment of your imagination.
Feel free to believe. The village exists as I lived in it.
>
> 1) There is no practical reason to have subs in a shallow lake with
> no outlet
Outlet? They found safe and clean ways to get rid of waste. Remember,
when I was kidnapped, I was a little girl.
You don't think much like an engineer but I recalled that the village
moved rather mechanical over the lake ground
than with gas.
> 2) It's very cost prohibitive to build under water
True. But I never claimed that it was build by poor people. However,
the not poor people were very generous to the
not rich people. Anybody was welcome to settle in the village as long
the person came with good intentions.
The orgs could and should build such villages.
> 3) There is no evidence of anything you would need to make an
> underwater village work
Huh?
>
> So we must look at your claims and consider the following
>
> 1) It's a government conspiracy to cover up Chattanooga
There is a German p$ychiatric conspiracy that does not want me to find
the village. These guys don't want you to stay young
and healthy either. The existance of this way of live is withheld also
from most others.
However, I bet the content of the world bank on that the top
controllers of the German secret service build themselves
also such villages (bunkers) and that they - unless us - stay young
and healthy as their bunkers build after the same
system of the village protects their lives.
> 2) Chattanooga under the GSL does not exist.
It does. It exists a 100 %. I never was more sure about anything than
this.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Read also this:
http://groups.google.com/group/rattle-users/browse_thread/thread/920c521a661d867a
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
On Jun 8, 4:25 am, IntergalacticExpandingPanda
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:05 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > That's right, but when the p$ychs are being busted of mindcontrolling
> > people's mind in order to be biased towards SCN, people will have a
> > fresh look at it.
>
> Umm, no, LRH was not an expert is psychology.
Psychology is crap. He didn't want to be an expert on psychology as
they don't understand the human mind. Why would anybody want to be a
crap expert?
>
> > It is science. Life (thetans) are of a certain quality and they have
> > these levels, and all are included. I use the tonescale and I can spot
> > it. The tonescale does not make me to trust the wrong people, as I
> > know what I can expect from those who are low on it.
>
> And you observe a thetan, can you measure a theatan?
A theathan? Lol. You mean those thetans that hide in theatres?
Yes, you can measure a thetan without a body as he consist of a tiny
bit of material and you can see him with infrared cameras.
The e-meter works because of that energy of the thetan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXVbZYy9se0&feature=related
Thetans without body on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZ_7edzxVg
Cat watching thetan or thetan part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh8MYeAaMVk&feature=related
This guy sees a bodyless thetan and cries for Jesus.
If you ask me, it is just somebody's bodyless grandma, who wants her
privacy and feels stalked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLSIaK5UhSQ
This thetan jumps over a woman, he doesn't want to go through her but
could of course.
Interesting, isn't it?
>
> The tone scale is someone attempting to impose their own order to the
> world. You placed me at 1.1, on the same level as criminals and
> homosexuals (not that I think homosexuality is a lower form of
> life).
There might be homosexuals who are lower or on 1.5. There might be
criminals that are on 1.5 or lower.
What you don't understand is that 1.1 means that a person is covertly
hostile to others. I never met you. I have no clue who you are.
In order to make a judgment about your tone level, I would need to see
you somewhere in action for a few moments.
However, have a look at your postings. They would qualify as covertly
hostile, wouldn't they?
>
> > That is incorrect. A person might agree with you and still be on 1.1.
> > It is covert hostility.
>
> Which you inturperate anyone who disagrees with you as being hostile,
> so you create a 80+ signature file... and by the same definition you
> are 1.1 on the tone scale.
Oh, please. These people attacked and defamed me first. Self-defense
and truthful information is not on 1.1
>
> I may not be the most polite person in the world, but I don't mean you
> ill will. I just like to unravel conspiracies with information.
Really? What kind of conspiracies? But not the largest conspiracy of
all, the German p$ych conspiracy....
>
> > Homosexually are in the wrong, in between life, when they just were
> > thetans without body, they got tricked in a body of the other sex.
> > In other words, the men who love men were women in former lifetimes
> > and the women who love women were men in former lifetimes.
> > The 2ndD is a strong Dynamic. Ron didn't change his gender. He was
> > always a man. No homosexuality here. I was always a woman, I would
> > never take a male body. That's why I just have sisterly feelings for
> > women.
>
> Homosexuality is part of nature. We have a population of well over 4
> billion on this planet. It stands to reason that a certain number of
> homosexuals do wonders to help reduce population growth and serves to
> keep a species in check.
When people die, they are still alive. They pick up a new baby body.
What else do you see but people dying and being born again? Have you
no ability that makes you wonder where you got this skill by having
not learned it in this lifetime? Aren't you attracted to certain times
and cultures in the past? Isn't it very easy for you to learn some
"new" things and you wonder how fast you got it? This all should point
you in the correct direction. And there is a possibility to relive
past lives. After Ron wrote so much about it, even some of your
beloved p$ychs caught on and they do confirm existence of past lives.
However, unlike Ron, they used hypnosis to find them.
German p$ych mindcrontrollers might trick people in picking up the
wrong body gender just to be mean to thetan and have fun with it and
to study how the person does with the wrong gender. This is the only
reason why people are homosexual. They got the wrong body and now they
have feelings for their own gender.
However, not all people who were tricked in a body of the wrong gender
are homosexual. It is basically a choice that they are making.
>
> If two men want to get it on... it does me no harm. Neither does two
> women. If they are in a healthy relationship, and it makes them
> happy... great.
They have a right to know what happened to them.
>
> > L. Ron Hubbard FOUND the axioms. It is not him who invented some
> > rules. He found how life is on its own.
> > It's like gravity. It is there, he just happen to see it and write it
> > up and I am forerever grateful that he did.
>
> Gravity is an observable fact, there for anyone to discover. LRH
> respectfully didn't understand many of the subjects he wrote about.
Please don't accuse L. Ron Hubbard on your shortcomings.
>
> > > Built centuries ago? By whom?
>
> > By the constructors.
>
> But who were they. This is some seriously advanced technology for
> centuries ago.
L. Ron Hubbard in a former lifetime, Marty's family, Scientologists
and Jews. I wrote this already.
>
> > There were Indians residents in that village but they were not the one
> > who build it. I want to put my hand in the fire that Marty's family
> > build the village and L. Ron Hubbard in his former lifetime. Their
> > heritage was Jewish and I think that Scientology is older than 50
> > years. I think that Ron developed Scientology already in each former
> > lifetime. It is the way he is. You do in this lifetime what you did in
> > former lifetimes already.
>
> Ummm, how did these Jewish people get here?
By ship. Then via a wagon track on a trail. I was a pioneer woman in a
former lifetime. I left Europe. You could say that
I am one of the most original residents of this village. The theatre
in the village was build mainly on my
urges. I wanted one so badly, and I got it.
> I know these people got
> around, but there is no evidence of a Jewish community in the American
> southwest.
If you should be in Utah, in SLC go to the Rio Grande Station, they
have a little museum with old documents. These documents
say that the first white settlers of Utah were not the Mormons but
Jews. Then walk to the Mormon temple. Look at their
windows. They still have the star of David in their window?
What happened with the Jewish colony that was there before the
Mormons. Seems that many became Mormons.
They were told: if you join our religion, you can have as many women
as you like.
And that must have been what many men wanted. Rest is history.
> A dead give away would be a written language, which didn't
> become popular in the American southwest until the late19th early 20th
> century, and that was the Navajo.
Navajo's are in the area. I recall some to be submarine village
residents. It might be possible that they were helping to
build the village. It needed lots of people. But the original plan and
the architecture is by Ron and Marty's family,
who are Scientologists of Jewish roots.
>
> Why bother with the Americas when you could pick your self a nice
> island on the Pacific perfectly able to support life. Why build
> underwater when it's most impractical? It makes no sense.
You make me cry. Why don't you want to understand that building under
water provides
1) More security before intruders
2) More security against attacks
3) Keeps dust and pollution outside
4) Keeps radio activitiy outside
5) Keeps UV rays outside
6) Keeps pesticides and chemical outside
7) Makes you stay young and healthy
8) Does not destroy your crop as wild weather can't get to your crop
9) Keeps pests outside
10)In case of an earth quake, your island village could be destroyed
but the submarine village can swim.
If the earth cracks, they just have to pull the anchors in and swim in
the water till it is over. They don't crack.
11) You don't have to deal with allergies
12) It is quiet down there and you are not bothered by the noise of
planes, choppers, etc.
13) And I could come up with so more reasons
However, theoretically, you could build such a village not in the
water. You should have water running over it if you are
not a fan of dusting your furnitures. It would not be as secure as
terrorists would see where it is and in case of
earth quakes, your village might break.
>
> > The ceiling had glass. It was light during the day. At night it was
> > dark. When I saw it, they had light but in the beginning they might
> > have used candles.
>
> Candles burn AIR, exactly the sort of thing you don't want in an
> enclosed underwater community.
They were better candles, they were made of special material that did
not harm the air. Also, I didn't say that they burned
hundred and thousands of candles. But I remmeber that we had sometimes
lit candles.
> Also, the sunlight is rather defused
> even at 20 feet.
True, but it was enough to ligthen the place during the day. The
entire ceiling was glass but with wood supported.
No wonder I didn't forget it. At night, wonderland looked beautiful
too. It was not lightened like a city but not dark at all.
> You could grow some algae, perhaps some plants if
> you had access to fresh water. You're not likely able to grow a tree
> under water, not with without artificial light.
There were lots of mature trees in the village. They did it. From the
maturity of the trees that I saw, you also could tell
that the village was in fact centuries old and they grew them down
there.
>
> Besides if light can get in, it can get out too... if there is enough
> light from the sun to support plants, then you are going to be able to
> see a candle burning at night in the bottom of the lake.
Lol. The GSL is not the clearest lake. Last time I was there, I could
see just four inches deep. Rest was grey green and
with lots of tiny shrimps. You can't see the lights of the village
when you would sail over the spot.
>
> > > 2) O2 scrubbers
>
> > They made their own oxygen.
>
> Centuries ago? Very unlikely. Limestone is the most likely solution
> that boggle, but the only application I can think of was during the
> civil war for the USS Monitor IIRC. Before that, well, it's
> unlikely... so unlikely there would be
> 1) a need to build underwater
> 2) knowing enough in the way of chemistry to be able to "make"
> oxygen.
They did it. It was probably build before the first Mormon settlers
arrived in Utah.
That would explain missing newspaper articles about the construction
as it was already build before the first official
newspaper.
>
>
>
> > > 3) Industrialization
>
> > What for?
>
> For a underwater village of hundreds of people. The glass roof alone
> would require a big feat of engineering to say the least.
I assume that they sealed the glass roof piece by piece in the wood
frame.
> Machine
> tools would certainly be helpful to say the least. This project is
> respectfully beyond iron age technology.
In other words, you are saying that the Pyramids were either recently
build or don't exist at all.
It is still not clear how they were build but they were build.
The same with this village. It was build centuries ago and I was in it
and could tell from the
trees and more that it was build centuries ago.
>
> > It was possible centuries ago. It was likely build on the surface of
> > the lake and then lowered with weights. I checked the Mormon libraries
> > to find newspaper articles about the constructions of that village.
> > But in order to find it, I have to read just about anything that was
> > written from 1600 -.... and I did not find it.
> > Nevertheless, my own perceptions are not shuttered just because I did
> > not find the media article about this construction,
>
> 1600? You know the Mormons didn't hit that area until well into the
> first half of the 19th century don't you?
They came later but as I said, I found documents that say that the
first settlers of Utah were Jews and no Mormons and they
came centuries before the Mormons. In order not to miss anything, one
has to research anything that was written
about Utah starting maybe from 1600...
> Hell, America was hardly
> colonized by that point, and the Mormon church was started in the 19th
> century. News papers? The Escalante-Dominguez party visted the area
> in 1776. (Francisco Atanasio Domínguez a Franciscan missionary,
> Silvestre Vélez de Escalante cartographer) They didn't note any
> newspapers...
That's my point, there were perhaps no newspapers and the huge
construction on the lake and then lowered into the GSL
were never reported. The Indians don't like to write history books
either...
>and odds are they were the first white men in that
> area. From an American Perspective you have the Lewis and Clark
> expedition that went through the Dakotas 1805 or so.
Don't forget that we live in a German p$ych controlled world. They
remove information and
redefine history. One reason why the existance village might be still
a secret to most people
because they don't want people to know about it because they would
build more of such villages and
that means health and youth preservance and they can't make Billions
with drugs anymore.
The pharmaceutical industry would be send packing if just about
anybody would live under such healthy
conditions.
> Utah wasn't made
> a part of the union until the later part of the 19th, though
> California was starting out in the first half of the 19th, when I'm
> sure there were newspapers after a fashion.
Utah became part of the union on January 4, 1896. I think the German
secret service bribed Jewish men to become Mormons as they can have
many women.
Then they got their motivator. The law one day demanded that they
could have just one. Tricked again....
>
> Now you could be talking of a lost Jewish tribe.... which there is no
> evidence today of there ever being Jews in pre-America...
In this library
I read in old documents. They might not be on the web. I read through
some of their drawers.
I found correspondence between a student and the former Governor
Bangarter. The student asked for research money about
a book he wanted to write that Jews not Mormons were the first white
settlers of Utah. The governor replied that
he will not fund the project because one book would have been already
written about this fact.
BTW, this Governor has a relative in Utah who is a while supremacist.
> and if a
> colony did manage to make the crossing they'd be doing pretty damned
> well just to make it by with a small farming colony and surviving.
They came with ships and then had wagons and horses and they made
their way to the GSL.
> A
> dead giveaway would be use of a written language in north America. We
> have some nice pictures by the Anasazi, not nothing like Hebrew... or
> even Mayan for that matter.
It says that the first Jewish settlers were in Utah in 1820. I think
they came earlier.
>
> > > Now... microorganism are important.
>
> > That is what doctors want you to believe.
>
> And it's actually rather good to listen to your average doctor. But
> fine.... you start your own biodome.
The average doctor doesn't know how to preserve youth and health. That
is why I rather keep my own
eyes open.
>
> > > plants go-depend on that you can't haphazardly get rid of them all and
> > > live in a sterilized environment.
>
> > That is what I don't believe. I know that they say that we and plants
> > need germs but I think it is a load of crap.
>
> Ok, Ignore evolution all together, the food chain, and our
> understanding of life as we know it on this planet.
"Life as we know it" sucks, it is unhealthy, unwise and painful. It
needs to be changed. And the first thing is to
not believe doctors any crap they shovel down our throats.
>
> > Germs are killing you and anybody else. They cause cancer and heart
> > disease and just about any other disease.
> > The people who live in this village are healthier than others. They
> > stay young and free of disease.
> > Somebody in this village can be 200 years or older and compared with
> > somebody age 30 on the unprotected surface might be old and sick
> > compared to the person who lives in the village without the germs.
>
> Yet there is NO evidence to support this. And how do you know this
> anyway, if you were there, you were 4 years old.
The healthy and young looking people moved in this village centuries
ago and stayed young and healthy ever since.
That did it for me.
>
> There are a ton of germs in your digestive tract. We've developed a
> symbiotic relationship with many of them.
Because we have to eat the lousy food and drink the lousy water.
It might be true that some germs might kill once in a while another
germ BUT we don't need them at all.
If you have no bad germs to kill in your body, you don't need the
socalled good germs either.
Also I don't believe that there are good germs.
>
> > Germs are nothing but destroyed thetans implanted in lower life forms.
> > You don't need these kind of body thetans to stay healthy.
>
> Yes you do.
That is what p$ychs lie to us. The top German psych secret service
masters ripped the way of living off for their purposes.
They live in such clean conditions. They never would want to live the
way you and others have to live.
>
> > > Centuries ago there was NOT an issue with pollution.
>
> > Smart people knew already of pollution many centuries ago. There is
> > dust, there is radioactivity, there are bugs, and they had eyes in
> > their heads, they saw that people age, so they decided to stop it and
> > move in that village.
>
> Sorry, Wilhelm Röntgen was the first person we know to discover
> radiation. 1895 or so. Marie Curie 1898 coined the term
> radioactivity. I'm not sure when Niepce de Saint Victor did his work,
> but we are talking the latter part of the 19th century. Estimates of
> the age of the earth were based totally without understanding
> radioactive decay. Before that, radioactivity wasn't an issue.
Think again:
In any way, hHistory is not recorded as it was. I know for sure that
the architects of this village knew about radioactity.
It is a German world. They remove what people should not know. There
also like to make doctors into the heroes,
who are no heros. They steal data and discoveries from others and let
their doctors shine with it.
I know the German secret service. I know the minds of German doctors.
>
> Also, what you are saying about dust, makes no sense... as well... do
> you know how much dust and dander humans produce, 1000 humans in an
> enclosed space?
I never said that the air is not ventilated. However, the most dust
comes from the outside.
Germs and pollution are not welcome in the village.
> And if you had trees you're going to have pollen.
> And this village was made out of wood? Ton of microorganisms in
> wood.
>
> And cancer? It wasn't understood at all until the 20th century.
Think again:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS266US267&q=cancer%2B16th+century+&btnG=Search
Cancer are the product of toxins, radioactivity and remote controlled
germs.
Microwave of terrorist doctors makes germs cause cancer.
>
> > I read a book about the French Revolution written by somebody born
> > 1709. He wrote down the eye witness notes of his uncle. They were
> > aware of "illness carriers" and they describe in great detail what
> > they did to protect their families from them (e.g. they boiled stuff
> > out with hot water to kill germs, etc.)
>
> I'd buy boiling... but antibiotics are a 20th century invention.
I didn't write that they were popping pills.
>
> > Infiltration is everywhere. An infiltrator resident in the village
> > told me to go with her to downtown SLC, and that we would be back in
> > no time...
> > First I didn't want to, then I felt sorry for the woman as I thought
> > she has nobody else to go with.
> > She turned me over to RB and the German secret service. They took me
> > to Germany and this was the end of a good life.
>
> This is VERY unlikely. Germany was pretty damn busy after the war,
> rebuilding.
Yeah right! The p$ychs of the German secret service used their own
hands and build up their towns!
Pull my leg. Women had to remove the debry, the Truemmerfrauen, while
the p$ychs continues to plot on how to control
the entire world.
>It's doubtful they would spend anytime in UTAH.
They are not just in Utah, they and their agents are everywhere. There
is no place that they don't infiltrate.
This includes the village and all Scientology orgs.
>It's even
> more doubtful they would kidnap a 4 year old from Utah. It makes no
> sense.
I never said that they make much sense. They are suppressive and evil.
Himmler himself admitted that they steal kids.
With me they sure kidnapped the wrong person as I was able to figure
it all out. And I had a change to study their
minds by observing their activities. They are obsessed, they can't
sleep at night if they don't control the entire world.
If they would not know that they control the entire world, they would
get out and just kill anybody.
They are SPs. They are stuck in past lifes event and they are afraid
that anybody would have more control than they have
as they are afraid that others would do what they do to others.
> > I can swim, but I don't have the physical strength to on the bottom of
> > the lake. Also remember how large the lake is. In order to find it, I
> > have to walk the lake up and down on its ground! And even if I would
> > do it, I still could miss it as it might as it does not stay at the
> > same place all the time.
>
> It's unlikely something so large and heavy moves. It makes no sense.
It moves and swims.
>
> You could putter around on the surface, in a boat, and find it, if it
> existed.
It is huge lake you are talking about. And, the lift (through which
people leave the village) must be
at the same minute on the surface otherwise, you miss it by boating
directly over it.
>
> > > Four year olds don't have the memory or the cognitive skills to have
> > > this sort of recall with any sort of accuracy.
>
> > I was a very unsual kid. I also talked much sooner than other
> > children.
>
> Talking, possible, but that barrier between reality and fantasy?
That's why they kidnapped me. The Germans knew I was smart but they
underestimated me.
They thought I never would be able to figure out the facts as detailed
as I did.
Guess, they kidnapped me because even SP thetans want to be busted for
their crimes, and I will make their wish come
true.
I was kidnapped in a country and given to a Lutheran family and asked
myself over and over: how on Earth did I get there
and why don't have I anything in common with them, not interests, not
personality, not looks...
>
> > A burned uniform is no evidence. He came away. They used his uniform
> > and burned another guy.
>
> Ummmm.... near as I'm aware he was cremated by the Russians and they
> kept the skull. The skull was tested in 1980... so either it's a
> Scientist conspiracy or the dude died in the 40s.
>
> Sorry
That is not the same guy.
>
> But if you believe differently, show me a Hitler.
Huh?
>
> > > > Moreover, the German p$ychs who set up the Nazis committed their
> > > > insane crimes already a long time before they founded and authorized
> > > > the Nazis.
>
> > > Who, where?
>
> > They sit in their secret headquarters and protect their bodies as they
> > don't want to get sick and old and die as we have to because they
> > don't allow us to live like they do.
>
> There is no evidence to support this.
I watched the pattern of organized conspiracy on this planet, and came
to the conculsion that they don't die.
They continue to web the same web of medical and controlling
corruption and conspiracy.
>
>
>
> > > Plants need sunlight. Where does this sunlight come from?
>
> > Not really. Some need light and you can create the light for them.
>
> That is impractical, when there is enough sunlight on the surface.
> And you mean to tell me that someone invested not only a light bulb,
> but a grow lamp centuries ago... oh along with electricity.
Impractical? Nothing is impractical if you can preserve your youth and
life.
>
> Sorry, you can't grow trees in 20 feet of water, not without the right
> soil and grow lamps. And, even then, it's a pain to grow trees
> indoors. There is an arboretum in Iowa that employs tree shakers.
I didn't say that they did not have the right soil and lamps.
>
> Also, where does candle wax come from? Pickings are pretty slim on
> the bottom of the Great Salt Lake. No candle fish, only brine
> shrimp. You could import bees but they need plants to make their wax,
> and you would need enough to support 1000 people. Not practical.
> Neither is rendering it from animal fat.
They made it, I assume from plants. Some plants grow material that
they burn.
>
> > The people in the village were handymen and fruit and vegetable
> > growers. You don't need large generators for them. If you have small
> > generators for your home and small business, it is enough.
> > The village does not look like Disney World with 100 000 lights.
>
> At 20 to 40feet, you would need MORE THAN 100,000 to grow enough trees
> to scrub the atmosphere. Even presuming 1000 people, and each one had
> an electric lamp, that's like 60,000 to 100,000 watts of power.
> Portable generators, in an enclosed environment, from people TRYING TO
> GET AWAY FROM POLLUTION?!?!? Sorry that's living in your own filth.
You are so wrong. Compared with the cleanliness of this village, the
person who applies hygiene on the Earth surface is
dirty.
> For 1000 people you build a power plant. Air gets much cleaner even
> on an island if you build a power plant, not to speak of an enclosed
> village under water. And even then, you either need a ton of trees to
> scrub the air, or you vent the power plant to the outside.
>
> It's foolish to have small generators. They are not that
> efficient.
I think that they had small generators but I am not 100% sure. But
what I remember is that
they had lights on at night. You could stand in one corner of the
village and see the little cabins and
lights were on in them.
>
>
>
> > They don't want the radioactive polluted food. They don't want to get
> > old and die.
> > Even upper surface organic food is polluted to a certain grade.
>
> But somehow these people have a totally self sufficient bio-dome?
That is what this village has since centuries.
> Unlikely even with 21st century technology. We can do subs, but they
> depend on food and resources form the outside, and nuclear power.
The biodome was sabotaged. And you say there are no conspiracies, yeah
right.
They had at least one mole in it, if not more.
>
> Century old technology, made out of wood? You are going to at the
> very very very least get mold.
Not at all. You alleged necessary germs are not in the village.
Nothing gets mouldy.
> And when you actually build under
> ground, even underwater... you are MORE LIKELY TO BE EXPOSED TO RADON!
Huh? If nobody plants radon deliberately in the village, it won't be
in there.
> And healthy, it takes so much bother and effort to actually keep a
> clean environment in an enclosed area.
What is eternal youth and health worth to you? To most people all the
efforts of the world.
I remember a rule from that village that littering and spitting was
not allowed.
>
> > > But you can't run a generator in a closed environment without
> > > polluting it.
>
> > I think they made the electricity with water in the village. Recycled
> > water generated the light.
>
> Make electricity, with water in the village? Recycled water, recycled
> from what. Human waste? Well, at least urine would be easier to
> convert back to potable water than the Salt Lake water. But this
> takes energy.
Man, you have a dirty fantasy.
They create their own fresh water and with that they can also produce
electrity.
>
> You can't just magically make energy from water. You could make a
> small dam, but you would notice that on the surface.
>
> > They don't want the polluted air. They want their own air.
>
> But according to you, they pollute their own air with these small
> generators. They pollute the air them selves by breathing.
Nothing was polluted. I am not a 100 % sure how they created power
inside if small generators or a big net.
But I remember that there was light in the village.
>
> > >If this existed centuries ago, how the living hell did
> > > they get O2 down there?
>
> > Some invention are older than school text books say.
>
> But O2 scrubbing requires understanding of chemistry, and even then a
> ton of experiments are required to get there.
>
> But this is a baseless assertion. You need to provide evidence of
> this... evidence of a simple lime o2 scrubber used before the 19th
> century. Lots of luck.
I don't have to provide anything. It is not my duty to enlighten
people. I just state what is possible.
It is up to anybody to explore the information how he or she pleases
and what they make out of it.
>
> > They architects of this village did it somehow.
>
> How!
>
> > Information was and is suppressed on this planet. We might think that
> > the radio is invented not too long ago but from the private notes of
> > the French Revolution, I was able to tell that many of the soldiers
> > and the people who robbed houses had actually ear implants and a case
> > officer.
> > And remember, that was 17th Century.
>
> Ummm... 17th century they did have some understanding of surgery,
> sure. But you know what those ear implants were like? They were
> trumpets... really. Large opening to a little one. Nothing to do
> with radio, or electricity.
Lol. They were not much larger than yours today.
>
> And no, information is not that well suppressed. In fact we have an
> information explosion. Even before the telephone, radio, telegraph,
> you know what we had, we had a trivial little idea for public
> libraries. We are presently talking on a planetary wide computer
> network, on a decades old system reasonably free from censorship. And
> you are talking about suppression of information?
Who is we?
Yes, lots of written stuff is in library but nothing contains the
absolute truth and nothing but the truth.
>
> > > Now, you might be able to get away with a ton of blue green algae, but
> > > they need sunlight.
>
> > They need light but no sunlight.
>
> Yes, they do!
You are wrong on this.
>
> > > Well... you bring germs with you, to an enclosed damp environment.
>
> > As you make your own water and soap, you reduce them more and more.
>
> How do you MAKE YOUR OWN WATER.
You don't listen to me. I explained this already. You can generate
water by cooling tanks.
Then you get ice, then you melt it. There might be also other ways.
> And it's an environment that's always
> damp. Have you ever lived on a boat? That's what we are talking
> about. Boats are high maintenance , esp wooden ones and having a
> wooden underwater village compounds the problem.
>
> Make the soap, from what? How?
From trees and plants. See here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS266US267&q=soap+tree&btnG=Search
>
> > > Also there is the issue of waste disposal. It can't be healthy to
> > > live in your own waste, and were there decent pumps centuries ago?
>
> > It is a very clean village. Perhaps they burned the waste or they
> > brought it outside to a dump.
> > BTW, I know 100 % that they had no cemetery in the village.
>
> You can't bury it because you are in an enclosed space UNDERWATER.
> You could bring it outside to a dump, but that would be a ton of
> work.
You might have quite a large disgestion if that is a lot of work.
It can be tried in tanks and then is light in weight and can be
transporsted to disposal outside.
>
> You really have to explain this basic need.
>
> > > Air filters.
>
> > They made their own oxygen. It is not our dirty air.
>
> How did they make their own oxygen? Electrolysis? Far fetched.
> Electricity wasn't really in use until well the last part of the 19th
> century. There were experiments in the middle of the 19th, perhaps
> Sir William Grove with his hydro-fuel cell, but you're talking a mass
> application of it. You need some sort of engine, or hydro plant to do
> it, and even then... you can't use pure oxygen. Not for humans, and
> not for plants.
Fact is that they had execellent oxygen and it felt good to breath it.
Not dry and dusty as Utah's climate. It also had
the same upper 70s temperatures in the village. No fights witht he
seasons, nobody needed heavy winter clothes.
Oxygen was officially discovered in the 16th century. A guy named
Sędziwój created oxygen by warming nitre (saltpeter).
>
> I can't see "making air" on this scale centuries ago. And even then,
> where does the water come from? The Great Salt Lake.
Panda, how often do I have to tell you that they made their own water!
And oxygen is created by warming nitre.
>
> > We die with approx. 70 years, they can live as long as they want if
> > they are not murdered on orders of the German psych secret service. I
> > rather stay forever young and healthy without burning in the sun.
> > If you want to have a tan, eat carrots.
>
> Ummmm... you still need vitamin D. And overdosing on carrots isn't
> healthy either.
You can add vit D to your food by eating food that contains vit D.
>
> > > Closed environments require much in the way if infrastructure to be
> > > healthy.
>
> > And?
>
> The infrastructure didn't exist centuries ago. Sorry.
Neither did the infrastucture of the pyramids, neverthless they were
build.
> Electricity, electric light, electrolysis to "make air" from water,
> salt water (don't mind the chlorine).
There is no clorine in that village. The water is fresh and was not
flushed through toilets and dirty rivers as the water that people on
the
surface of the earth drink.
>
> > > > Also, you need to make your own water and food if you want to stay
> > > > healthy and young.
>
> > > HOW. Where does fresh water come from?
>
> > They made the water from scratch. Probably cooled an area till it
> > became ice and then melted the ice.
>
> How! You don't MAKE water. There isn't enough free hydrogen in the
> atmosphere to "make it". The best way to get water, is from water.
> Really. You can get it from the sky, a river, a lake, well, aquifer,
> tons of sources... but you can't magically make water.
From my personal experiences, the best way to get water that was not
used is
generating coldness into an tank.
Please use your head. Have you ever seen one of these old
refrigerators?
The ice department? Condensed water is created. You melt the ice and
you have
fresh water.
>
> And we are talking the great salt lake. Cooling does help separate
> out the salt, this is true. But the GSL is typically 15% salt. Do
> you know how low the temp needs to be for it to freeze? Somewhere
> between -10C to -20C (I'm too lazy to calculate grams per mole). Or
> 14 to -4F. Doing this centuries ago? VERY unlikely considering one
> of America's earliest industry was the export of ICE from the Michigan
> area and New York (Canal Street). Ice was also imported in the
> classical era. You could make ice using sodium or potassium nitrate
> which was known in the 17th century, but you are talking sub freezing
> and large scale. As I'm sure you note, the lake does not freeze. It
> wasn't until the middle of the 19th century when we were able to make
> our own ice using an ammonia based refrigerator, 1860 IIRC. Practical
> use, early 20th century.
They did not use the GSL water inside, they created their own fresh
water.
This is what the school book says:
To produce two molecules of water (H2O), two molecules of diatomic
hydrogen (H2) must be combined with one molecule
of diatomic oxygen (O2). Energy will be released in the process.
The energy is probably used to make the electicity.
So, you got water and electricity.
What else do you want?
The water might be created in a fountain to which anybody has access
or is generated within the households, which is even
better as you have a better control that moles don't poison it.
>
> And even then, it would take MORE energy to freeze ice water than it
> would to simply boil it... and as a bonus, steam distillation will get
> out many other things not salt, though without filtering you're going
> to have a nice happy glass of stewed brine shrimp. Yum yum.
Again, they are not distilling GSL water or outside water. It is not
good enough if you want to live forever and
stay forever young.
>
> > Too bad I did not made notes about it and tattooed them on my body
> > before the age of 4.
> > If you cool an area you get ice. The ice can be melted and is water
> > that was never used before.
>
> But you know all this other stuff, you were talking by 4, this is
> rather rudimentary stuff.
Really? If it is just rudiment stuff and no memory, you should know
this as well.
> Ice isn't practical on the scale you would
> need, and wasn't really an option until massive refrigerators early
> 20th century. Steam was the tool of choice and was used centuries
> ago... and still is used today.
You could do it at home in a 4 foot tank/equipment.
>
> But this could be avoided by not living in a bloody 15% salt lake.
>
> > They made no huge fires in the village. I remember that candles were
> > used.
> > They lived good there.
>
> But they ran portable generators. That's pretty nutty in an enclosed
> space.
You can't image living without outside material. This is why you can't
follow.
>
> > > > You don't age in such a village. Neither on the inside nor on the
> > > > outside. It is paradise, Panda, and I remember that L. Ron Hubbard
> > > > said that too.
>
> > > Ummmm... this is where we start talking science fiction. People
> > > age... period.
>
> > Says who? People age because they are living in a polluted, UV,
> > chemical and germ mess and drink chemicals and eat them. They age
> > inside and outside. But if you get out of this, you have very
> > different chances.
>
> Says modern science.
Dummies.
> I mean really, all you have to do is actually
> touch bases on the average life span of a person in an
> unindustrializeds part of the world... like some brand spanking new
> pacific islands only 50 years old.
That are your beloved germs. They kill people.
>
> > I am not talking about antibiotics. You don't need them if you live in
> > the village. What for? You don't get the infections, the germs on the
> > surface are giving you the infections.
>
> Sorry, the first humans going in there would not be 100% free of
> infection, and it's a damp moist environment even with SOAP will be a
> breading ground for a ton of bacteria.
Damp? Breeding ground of bacteria? Not this village.
Yes, the first humans going in there would be not 100 % healthy but if
not killed, the person could nevertheless overcome it and live
forever.
> Anything you bought in would
> be contaminated. Antibiotics are a 20th century invention, they were
> not discovered centuries ago.
You don't need antibotics if germs don't invest your body and they
don't do in this village.
>
> > The cell life is limited because the cell has to live under the same
> > conditions. Let a cell live in the village and it will not die.
>
> Cells die all the time, but they divide. As we grow older we grow
> less new cells. The Hayflick limit is the number of times a cell can
> divide before the telomere reaches critical length. This is basic
> biology. The exception of stemcells.
Because germs divide them.
>
> That being said, there are some humans who have lived beyond 100. The
> longest documented that I'm aware of is 122.
The village people were much older. However, the German secret service
does get their ways in it.
They are not immortal because the German secret service can secretly
kill people and makes it look
"natural". However, I think that the hard core of the German secret
service, the SEGNPMSS, are
more than 500 years old and they can live forever, unless they kill
each other, which is highly likely as they are crazy and bad.
>
> > > Ummmmm.... no. Lifestyle can extend the average age of a human to 80,
> > > 90. There are some cases were people live up to 100, but this is
> > > frankly just fiction. There is no evidence to support your claims,
> > > and a 4 year old wouldn't have the background to understand any of
> > > this.
>
> > Again, I was a very special little girl.
> > You age and you die because you have to live like in stone age on the
> > surface on the earth.
> > The body is immortal in the right environment.
>
> Ummm, no. Hayflick limit is very well proven. You see, there is a
> problem with cancer. Every time a cell divides there is a chance for
> error. Environment is a factor, but there's going to be error. A
> lifespan is likely a result of evolution, as a truly long life beyond
> 100 years, nay, beyond 200 years really adds the likelihood of
> error.
>
> Your assertion is, respectfully, unproven.
Cancer is caused by remote controlled germs. With microwaves and
silent sounds, the
German secret service activates the germs and people die of cancer.
Same goes for heart attack.
>
> > They found a German Earl in Eastern Germany. He died and after he was
> > dead, they put him in something like the village just smaller. His
> > body didn't age a day but was centuries down there.
> > He should have moved in that place while he still was alive. He would
> > be now 400 years old but would probably younger than you.
>
> Doubtful.
>
> > > > Writing about this resulted in lots of hatred against me by numerous
> > > > ARS poster, which tells me that they either have a death wish or think
> > > > they don't deserve staying young and healthy.
>
> > > Who are you to judge how long a person lives.
>
> > Here it is again, just as I wrote. I am being attacked for telling
> > people that they don't have to die in average of 70 years, it is like
> > biting the hand that feeds them.
>
> You are making a assertion with no evidence.
Really? The evidence of me being attacked and defamed of Scientology
haters before I ever posted is
a fact on usenet. One just has to google the first postings ever on my
name or the deliberate misspelling Schwartz.
>You are also saying
> these people don't deserve longer lives. You are making a judgment
> for humanity.
You don't read carefully what I wrote. I wrote or they think that they
don't deserve to live longer.
I did not write that I say that these people don't deserve longer
lives. As far as I am concerned, anybody might live forever
.
>
> If you really want to improve the human condition, and you think you
> know a way, get a grant, build your own village. Be aware that other
> biodome projects have failed due to the human element and not being
> able to sustain a closed ecosystem. This is not an attack, this sort
> of research is vital to space travel and future exploration. And if
> as a side benefit people live longer, well, I'm more than happy to be
> wrong.
A grant from the German controlled American government? That will be
under 5 cents, that grant.
The orgs should build such villages. Better than to invest money in
the Freewinds and other housing and office buildings.
Be reminded that the German secret service wants people to get sick.
They enjoy sufferings and dying of others and want the pharma
industry to be the richest ever. Once people live in these villages,
the pharma industry will go bankcrupt as nobody
needs it anymore.
>
> But even under water 20 feet, you're not going to be totally away from
> radiation. You your self claim there is sunlight... so the higher
> energy ionizing radiation will still filter through, as with sunlight
> greatly reduced. Cosmic rays will remain unaffected.
No sunlight but light. Daylight. UV, cosmic rays as had no
influence.
Aging was stopped completely. A person with age of 20 moving in the
village and living in there for 80 years still would
look and feel 20.
>
>
>
> > > Any hatred of you in
> > > this group is based on the fact that you attack others, post their
> > > personal information in 80+ line signatures.
>
> > Crap.
>
> Nope, I've seen them, you release personal information on other
> people. Why?
Read my signature lines. They are in self-defense. These guys web
libelous website about me or even register
websites in my name.
>
> > Crap again. I am attacked because your p$ych case officers don't want
> > you to find out the truth.
>
> No, there is no evidence to support a P$ych conspricy.
Except my lifestory is evidence.
>
> > They are not even good to their own agents.
> > I was already attacked and defamed before I ever posted one single
> > word.
>
> I only know what I see you post here.
>
>
>
> > > > The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> > > > lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> > > > beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
>
> > > Ummmm.... this is just nuts.
>
> > Nuts? You think a cage in a mountain cannot crash?
>
> I can explain it very simply.
>
> Wooden village with a glass ceiling under 20, perhaps 40 feet of
> water.
>
> Cage inside a mountain.
The cage does not protect you from cosmic rays and radioactivity or
germs.
>
> To take out "The Village" you need only depth charges. Conventional
> explosives.
You also need to know where it is. If they look for the village, the
village surveillance spots them and
they change their position in the lake.
>
> Cage in a mountain, either some mega tons of conventional explosives,
> or nuclear.
You can't change your position in the mountain.
>
> Laser beam earth quake weapons? This respectfully is science fiction,
Not even remotely science fiction.
> and if it wasn't, as you explained your "Village" gets sunlight via a
> glass dome.
The are getting day light not sunlight from the glass dome.
> Targeted directly and ZAP. Also you said it putters
> around on the bottom of the Salt Lake. Even these laser earthquake
> weapons existed, well, what would happen in the event of some heavy
> seismic activity. Ground hits "The Village" and crack... all gone.
It pulls its anchors in and swims, nothing cracks.
> And nuclear? Forget about it. Water is good protection from heat,
> but the radiation... not so much when it contaminates the water it
> self. And as you said, it's made of wood and glass. This is not good
> shielding.
Well, if you target something with those means, I guess anything can
be destroyed sooner or later.
However, the village people have a much better change to survive such
an attack and you and your
mountain cage or your island in the sun.
>
> And when you break out the big guns... the really big guns, well,
> you're pretty screwed anyway, so it's really time to kiss your ass
> good bye.
This is no way to talk to a lady.
>
> > >Being under 20-40 feet of water is not
> > > adequate protection, and as you stated before, this was built
> > > centuries ago.
>
> > Nothing is foolproof protection. The best protection is to better the
> > world and make people respect each other and to show them how they
> > will suffer if they don't build a better world.
>
> But... they don't build a better world do they? They build an
> isolated community of hundreds of people. They don't interact with
> the outside world, they just, according to you, sit at the bottom of
> the Great Salt Lake and putter around, and don't share how they
> created the worlds first successful biodome project, an important step
> for space colonization.
They worked hard to get the American government to build such places
for anybody. But the American government is German
controlled and the Germans don't want people to preserve their youth
and health.
Scientology is first of all about spirital immortaltity but L. Ron
Hubbard wanted Scientologists and anybody else
to preserve their youth and lives in such villages, and what did
happen? Rotten non-scientological German run agents
infiltrated the orgs and removed his writings hereto. And therefore,
it is no longer a part of SCN, which makes me feel
like being under wogs when in the orgs.
>
> This presumes "The Village" exists, and there is no evidence to
> support that it does.
>
>
>
> > Being inside a mountain is far far better protection
>
> > > from bombs than being underwater, where you could just conventional
> > > explosives, i.e. depth charges. Crack the wall, and poof!
>
> > You are wrong. Anybody knows where your mountain is and where to throw
> > the bomb or use the laser beam to make the earth quake. If you throw
> > a bomb in a big lake, you have to know exactly where the submarine
> > village is in order to hit it. It might not more be at the spot where
> > the attacker suspected it.
>
> Actually... everyone DOESN'T know where your mountain is. There could
> be projects today digging holes into mountains. Hell must of the LRH
> tech is dug into a mountain.
The German secret service watches anybody. They know where you digged
holes.
And, I am afraid that your caves would be really uncomfortable. I
heard that
the cages Bin Laden was in had lots of fleas.
Your mountain residency might be also very dark.
>
> Water isn't much of physical barrier. Limited stealth, you can use
> sonar to find "the village" in the great salt lake. It's made of
> wood. And even if you didn't, you can drain the lake by making a
> canal. Sonar doesn't work so well in ground or rock. It's a great
> physical barrier to bombs as bombs can't travel through rock like
> water. And there are more mountains than salt lakes.
There are two aspects
1) The preservation of youth and health
2) Security.
1) Works real good in the submarine village
2) If people don't cease terror and war, nothing will survive.
Therefore, people have to understand and apply ethics.
>
> > > An earthquake underwater would be MORE problematic than the surface as
> > > one a break in a wall would spring a leak.
>
> > That's why the village is not in the ocean but in the GSL. Once water
> > pours in, it lifts up 40 feet and the people can get out.
>
> That's a tad far fetched. If they have been living at that pressure
> for... I dunno, HOURS, the body is going to take free nitrogen from
> the air and put it in the blood. You know what's going to happen if
> it cracks and you have to escape? YOUR BLOOD BOILS. It's called the
> bends and if you are talking being down there for years, it's lethal.
> Sorry... you'll need to spend time in a pressure chamber to go back to
> 1 atmosphere... or technically less. Even if this was not a factor,
> there is going to be a high death factor from those people whose lungs
> EXPLODE climbing up to the surface. This can be avoided by exhaling
> as you climb and at 40 feet drowning is a very likely
> possibility. .
The problem never came up. When the village is damaged, it would
slowly rise to the surface and people could get out.
>
> > > And laserbeam earthquakes? This is pure fantasy. Even presuming we
> > > could generate enough in the way of laser energy to melt rock, that
> > > would be pretty effective underwater wouldn't it.
>
> > You know all the lasers, huh? What makes you think that there is no
> > laser than can get thru water?
> > I could probably invent such one within a day.
>
> I said it would be pretty effective underwater. According to you,
> they get sunlight. Some of the laser would be defused, this is true,
> but not all of it. Far far far more effective than a laser beam
> earthquake, which is a technology you have no evidence for.
I am convinced that the Tsunami not long ago was the product of a
secret German secret service laser beam.
>
> > >Let's see how we
> > > could attack an underwater village in the Great Salt Lake shall we?
>
> > > 1) Depth charges
> > > 2) Drain the lake
> > > 3) Tunnel
> > > ...
>
> > What the matter with you ? Why would you attack that peaceful village?
> > After all the many years even wars, they were and still are safe.
> > And what is the problem now with tunnels and draining?
>
> This is your fantasy. You claimed it provided excellent protection.
> I'm showing you it doesn't, not without secrecy which, according to
> you, the Nazi psyches know about, and don't want anyone else to live
> longer.
My idea is surival forever. You came up with the war game.
Again, anything that is targeted might break down sooner and later.
That is why understanding of Scientology ethics is so important.
Don't do to others what you don't want to be done to you, and, if you
do
rotten things, you pull yourself something really bad in...
>
> > The problem that the residents have are more secret attacks instead of
> > somebody draining the lake but there were such attempts via weather
> > satellites.
>
> We have no weather satellites.
We. Who is we? The Anonymous? The German secret service has access to
about any satellite.
>
>
>
> > We have the equipment to build a tunnel between France and England,
> > so
> > that would be non-trivial but possible. Draining the lake would be
> > the most practical as it is way above sea level. Depth charges are
> > probally the most effective.
>
> > > Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> > > (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> > > attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> > > Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> > > me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
>
> > This is fiction.
>
> > Everything that your mind doesn't allow you to grasp is fiction.
>
> No. When you invest things that don't exist in today's world, that's
> fiction.
Just because you personally didn't see it, doesn't mean that it does
not exist.
>
> > > Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> > > village.
>
> > Why not.... let's say, the Great Lakes? It's fresh water which is
> > less problematic than Salt water.
>
> > No, the salt water preserves, it preserves the sub.
>
> Salt water corrodes metal rather well. Also, that glass ceiling, you
> know what happens in the winter, the salt content goes down and the
> salt precipitates downwards, which will cake on the glass.
It was not the case in this sub village. The salt in the GSL works
rather as a preservative.
>
> > > > And what's with this train, station to station? If there is a train,
> > > > why do they need subs?
> > > In the middle of the village was a market place and the post office.
> > > In order to get your mail and buy whatever the market
> > > place offered, you had to go get to the market place. From where I
> > > lived, I could see the market place but it was
> > > a long walk. So, they build a little train to transport people from
> > > around the village.
>
> > It had a post office, but the address does not exist on the map.
>
> > The
> > US postal service can not deliver to there.
>
> > It must have their own zip code. A resident of the village must pick
> > up the mail from the outside and bring it in the village.
>
> So it's no longer a closed environment , you can bring mail from the
> surface which is going to be contaminated with microbes, bacteria,
> virii, and the spit they used to lick the envelope and the stamp.
Since the Internet things might have changed but back then, some
people got telegrams and
a person got out and fetched some mail. They put it in a instrument
where the germs were killed and and contamination
removed before the recipient could get the mail in the village.
They did not lick the stamps. They were affixed outside.
They had their own money in the village too.
>
> > >You can't power a train on a little generator, even for let's say 5
> > >people. You need fuel or batteries, and with batteries you still need
> > >a power plant to get the power.
>
> > That's easy.
>
> Not underwater with no access to open air. Diesel subs have a limited
> amount of time they can stay under, because the air runs out.
It had no Diesel motor.
>
>
>
> > > It had hundred of residents.
>
> > How many hundred of residents?
>
> > ** I didn't conduct any census.
>
> You presented the information, it's up to you to back up your
> statements.
You are so "fair". I am the one who was kidnapped and subjected to
German p$ych memory removal.
I am the person on Earth who should be last on Earth to ever find the
village again. Your case officers
likely know where it is.
>
> > Google is weird, the layout changed, it is hard to say who wrote what.
> > I mark my answers with two stars** now.
>
> > Do you know how many trees a single
> > person needs to get their daily allotment of oxygen?
>
> > ** It was loaded with trees. It was completely green.
>
> And mobile too? That's a amazing... that's beyond belief.
I saw it with my own eyes.
>
> > I believe a
> > given tree will take away about 13lbs of carbon per year. Given the
> > massive power requirements of the underwater village... most of it to
> > make light for the trees, 150 trees per person won't cut it, but
> > presuming 150 trees per person, and presuming 1000 people, that's
> > 150,0>00 trees. Presuming they are spaced 12 feet a part, or 300
> > trees
> > per acre, that's about 500 acres just for trees... under water! This
> > also presumes you can let the trees continue to grow, which you can't
> > because your max ceiling on average is 20 feet. So, you need another
> > 500 acres of trees to take into account that you have to chop trees
> > that grow too big. This is not taking into account how much land
> > you
> > need to grow crops for people in this closed environment, which isn't
> > so closed anymore as it has a post office.
>
> > **The village was not that high but it was large. Probably as big as
> > Monte Carlo.
>
> A mobile Monte Carlo?
The surface area was as big, not the houses.
>
> > > One reason why they didn't talk about it much on the outside is
> > > because they didn't want it overrun by curious people.
> > > Who wouldn't want to see it.
>
> > But here you are, talking about it. But get this... no one has ever
> > found this underwater village of yours.
>
> > ** There you see, it is much more secure than your mountain village!
>
> Obviously not, you broadcasted it's location to the planet in usenet,
> if it exists.
The German Secret Service knows that I look for it. It will remain a
secret as long as they can help it.
Health care of anybody costs a lot more than building such a value.
And youth and health are priceless.
One could produce certain products in such a village. Software could
be build down there or protective suits for
the Earth surface, whatever...
>
>
>
> > If it's so huge, you could find it with ease couldn't you, in a
> > rowboat, puttering around the lake.
>
> > ** It is under water. But perhaps, if the post man leaves to pick up
> > mail, you could see a dry spot where he gets out. But you have to find
> > him on the large lake at the right moment.
>
> As you stated, according to you it's close enough to the surface to
> get sunlight. That would mean you could see it. Puttering around in
> a rowboat you can catch it on sonar, camera, microphone as you said
> this huge place travels, it's going to make some serious noise.
I heard no motor noise at all while being inside.
No sunlight, daylight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, you cannot see through the GSL. Is has no clear enough water and
it is full with shrimps.
>
>
>
> > > > Use a rock.
> > > Lol. A rock? I can't carry a rock that is so heavy that it would pull
> > > me down.
>
> > Then you are not very strong. You can rent a weight set from a
> > nearby
> > scuba shop, but they are cheap enough to just buy them.
> > Or, get boat, get rock, get rock on boat. Hold onto rock fall out of
> > boat, sink, release rock float. Repeat if necessary.
>
> > *** My strongest muscle is my brain. :)
>
> Obviously not if you can't use a rock.
I am not sucidal or stupid. If I throw myself with a rock on my body
in the lake, I might never be able to come back.
>
> > > You didn't dive. Also, you have to know where the sub is. It did not
> > > anchor always at the same place. It could crawl over
> > > the ocean floor and changed anchor place. The ceiling was glass but
> > > supported by wood. Beautiful.
>
> > There is absolutely no reason to have a sub on the great salt lake
> > except for stealth or exploration. A wooden submarine would be
> > impractical. ALL WOOD BOATS LEAK. Being underwater would make it a
> > bigger problem.
>
> > ** Not this one. I think the salt helps to preserve.
>
> No, it doesn't. Teak, pine, oak, mahogany, THEY ALL LEAK. Under
> pressure THEY LEAK MORE. You could prove me wrong by going to a
> marina and finding a wooden boat that doesn't leak. They do not
> exist. Also, in that sort of space, dry rot is a real issue even in
> salt water. Wood is NOT the material to use. Sorry.
>
> Wood is porous. You put it in water, it absorbs water. Water under
> pressure, even with a perfect seal, water will get through.
Same applies also to wood. It is a preservative.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_salt_a_good_preservative
>
> . .
>
> > > I am convinced that Marty Rathbun (the original no impostor) was
> > > raised in this village.
> > > I asked the Mormon church if they would know about it. They answered
> > > but avoided
> > > to answer this questions. Very suspicious.
>
> > So it must be a conspiracy?
>
> > ** Yes, as this is what I had to deal with all the time.
>
> Well, the only evidence of a conspiracy you have is silence.
My entire life is evidence that I am a kidnapped village girl.
>
> a) The Village is real and no one is talking about it
> b) The Village is not real and no one is talking about it
>
> Given the unlikelihood of your claims, b is more likely.
>
> > You are the only person who talks about this village. Period!
>
> > *** Hey, it was you who started this thread. You want to know. You
> > talk about it. Period!
>
> I would like it if this place was real. It would be a marvel of
> modern engineering, even if it was made of out modern materials.
When I found it or when I will have otherwise the possibility to get
the money to build one,
I let you know.
>
>
>
> > > This place was not a construction place. It was like a huge resort
> > > under water.
>
> > But you said it was a place that people lived, not a resort. If it's
> > a resort it's going to have people coming and going. A resort would
> > be different, you could get air and supplies when you bring on
> > people.
>
> > ** It was LIKE a huge resort but residents lived there permanent.
>
> Luxurious, but hardly practical. It's mobile so you're going to have
> to keep weight low. If it's stationary, well, space is still at a
> premium.
It was spacey. It was luxerious and pratical. It had anything.
>
> > > I have hard evidence. My mind. I can draw a blue print of this
> > > village.
>
> > Sorry, that's not hard evidence. You were 4 when you claim to have
> > been kidnapped by the Nazis, and a 4 year old's memory isn't all that
> > great.
>
> > ** I amaze myself sometimes about my abilities.
>
> Well, you can be amazed all you like, it doesn't make it credible.
> Show me the Village.
German secret service does not want me to find it again.
They are afraid that the U.S. governments starts to approve the
construction of these
villages for anybody else too. That means, end of diseases and
aging...
>
>
>
> > Hard evidence is something physical. A photograph would be
> > dandy, a location would be dandier.
>
> > ** Sure, the Germans kidnap me and let me keep a photo of the sub. Get
> > real.
>
> Well, the events you are describing are, in all fairness, just as
> unlikely.
>
> But again, no evidence to support the claim.
The most influencal secret service on earth kidnaps me. It goes
through great lenghts to cover up my past.
And you think I can shake the evidence out of my sleeve.
>
> > Eye witnesses would even be a
> > start, but to date you are the ONLY person who talks about it,
>
> > ** And you, and other before you were also fascinated by that
> > village..
>
> I'm fascinated with biodomes. They are an important thing to research
> if we are going to make a moon base, or colonize other planets. But
> nothing you describe in this village is practical to this end.
If I would have the money, I could build one just based on my
memories.
If I would run in a problem, I am sure I could find the solution.
>
>
>
> > and you
> > even claim the Nazis, the government, and the Mormons know about it.
>
> > ** They do.
>
> And you have no supporting evidence?
You are a jerk.
>
>
>
> > Keep in mind that there are people who claim to have been taken on
> > alien craft. But there is no evidence to back up their claim.
>
> > ** It exist. If I would have the cash, I would build another one.
>
> > > No, this is what people lie about all the time. I had no change to
> > > grow up in this place. I was kidnapped from this place.
>
> > Why, why was a 4 year old kidnapped by Nazi psychiatrists?
>
> > **To cause Ron pain.
>
> Respectfully, I don't think Ron was a threat to the German government,
No, he was no threat to anybody but German p$ychs are too crazy to
understand this.
> nor do I think there is any reason to cause him pain. Why not shot
> him, or you? Far more cost effective... but without a body there is
> always hope.
>
> Now in all fairness, Ron was monitored by the US government as it
> turns out.
This is not what over 40 FBI field offices wrote to me.They wrote to
me that they never had him under surveillance a he
never was of investigatory interest to them.
>
>
>
> > > Why not
>
> > kidnap someone more local, which well they did during the war, and
> > there was a good reason.... cause too many people died.
>
> > **The Germans knew that I am a special kid. Like Himmler said, if we
> > find a kid that we want, we take it.
>
> That was during the war trying to create a master race. That dream
> died when Germany was occupied by the US and the Soviets.
The "dream" did not die. The Germans continued secretly on the same
Nazi policies.
>
>
>
> > > If his parents remain in the village, they can live forever, and I wish it to
> > > them with all my heart.
>
> > Um no.
>
> > ** What, um no?
>
> They can't live forever. Humans have been observed to live a little
> bit more than 100 years, but not much more than 100 years. I
> illustrated this point earlier.
Yes, when they live on the unprotected surface of the Earth. But once
they move in protected areas, all changes.
>
>
>
> > > But these lies are repeated over and over just as also the lies
> > > against L. Ron Hubbard are constantly repeated.
>
> > We're ignoring LRH for the moment.
>
> > ** Why, he is the key to all of this.
>
> I don't see how. LRH wasn't really a part of The Village... we rather
> know this from most of his life being writing books and publishing.
> He spent much time on a boat, and his final days in Cali.
He was, as I was there with him.
>
>
>
> > > It has no massive power lines. If they are under water, you don't see
> > > a thing. But there must be a ferry that goes back and forth to the
> > > mainland. But I didn't find it. GSL is huge.
>
> > There is no evidence of this.... you can easily find the marina and
> > docks and observe the traffic. Hell, satellite photography is pretty
> > good and available.
>
> > ** Satellite pic UNDER water?
>
> Yes. At 20 feet you can spot things like subs. convert to an 8 bit
> image and perform color rotation. It's a poor mans spectral
> analysis.
20 feet is not good enough. The village is at 40 feet.
>
> > > The train is like a children's train just for adults. It is not in the
> > > water, it is in the village.
>
> > Which requires power, which isn't going to be powered by a dinky
> > little generator.
>
> > ** Many little generators, each provides a home or little shop.
>
> Not practical, and would foul the air. You would really need a power
> plant to do anything on the scale of 1000 people or more, and find
> some way to vent the exhaust. You don't want to live in generator
> exhaust.
Not these kind of generators. Those used did not produce exhaust
fumes.
>
>
>
> > What you are probably describing is light rail,
> > which would need POWER. You don't have nuclear there, I presume, so
> > you're going to need coal, oil, wood... and where does the waste gas
> > go?
>
> > *** It would be mechanical or batteries.
>
> Batteries generate a HUGE amount of waste, and this waste is heavy
> metal. Not the sort of thing you would want in a clean Village.
> Also, when your average battery gets hit with salt water, you get
> chlorine gas.
>
> Mechanical would still need some sort of engine to wind it up.
It did not pollute anything. It was very slow. You could hop off
during the ride.
>
>
>
> > > I have quite some fantasy.
>
> > Yes, you do.
>
> > > But this village goes beyond my fantasy.
> > > It is real as I remember it.
>
> > Just because you remember something as a 4 year old doesn't make it
> > real. When I was 4 I couldn't tell the difference between a light
> > rail and an elevator. Children's barrier between fantasy and reality
> > is thin. We learn critical reasoning as an adult.
>
> > ** I was not a regular kid. I was able to speak just a few weeks after
> > birth. That is what I was told by others. They said they never saw
> > anything like it.
> > Don't attack me on this. This is what I was told.
>
> I can believe a bright kid speaking at a young age, but not really
> weeks after birth. I would be very skeptical. I was a late talker my
> self... I know this because I used a cassette recorder.
>
> > > I know that you think that auditing doesn't work. But it does. I SAW
> > > the inside of this village by recalling it. We even had a swimming
> > > pool. It is the most beautiful place that I ever saw.
>
> > You saw something because you wanted to see something. The mind is
> > very tricky.
>
> > ** My mind is not tricky. Mine is a sensation. My memory was removed
> > by the p$ychs and I was able to recover it.
>
> So you believe your self to be different than every other human on
> earth. Interesting.
Anybody is different.
>
>
>
> > You can have 20 people claim they were Napoleon in a
> > former life, that doesn't mean they all were Napoleon in a former
> > life.
>
> > ** That's true. Many people claimed to be Jesus. They might had felt
> > that they were cruzified and thought that they were Jesus but
> > criminals were cruzified too in those times.
>
> So you would agree that past life regression should be met with
> extreme skepticism. Good, that's progress.
Oh, please. It doesn't mean that if some get it wrong that anybody
gets it wrong.
>
> > The hypnagogic state is a funny place, where visual and
> > auditory hallucinations are the norm.
>
> > ** That is what p$ychs want me to believe as they don't want me to
> > continue to look for the village. They know, I tell the world that
> > there is a better place and that they can stay healthy and young. But
> > they don't want others to live good lives.
>
> I am not going to tell you to stop looking for The Village. I'm
> extremely skeptical. If you believe it exists, and want to spend your
> life looking for it, it's your life. But do it right. You mastered
> the legal system, so you are no intellectual slob. You could if you
> so desired
>
> 1) Get a boat, row boat or sail boat
> 2) Get some rudimentary camera gear (old 12V camcorders would be
> dandy) Microphone would be good.
> 3) Search the lake. Given it's size you can rule out places too
> shallow to look, that'll narrow down your search area by, well, over
> 25%. Offset the cost of this adventure by selling videos. It might
> help to search anything unusual, some as some locals believe in a lake
> monster.
You forget 4) Makeing a postulate that I find Marty as he knows the
way to the village. He'll take me there.
>
> That's the ticket. Prove me and everyone else wrong. I'm happy to be
> wrong, and in fact it would turn my understanding of this world upside
> down... and that is a rare gift.
It might happen.
>
> > > It is a beautiful place, they have a high school there. The kids don't
> > > want to leave it. They have their friends in the village.
> > > No, some secrets, just as ear implants are hushed up forever.
>
> > Ear implants?
> > ** Exactly.
>
> If you're referring to 17th century ear implants, those were
> trumpets. No radio or electricity.
No, they were already very small and you could not see them from the
outside.
>
>
>
> > ** I was a lady already by age of 4. Lady's don't talk about poop.
>
> Odd, since well, you were potty trained.
>
> > Ok, let's take a Los Angles class attack sub. 130 people. 360foot
> > long, 33 ft tall, 29foot wide. We're talking cramped space. You're
> > talking something 10 times the size, with trees, houses, and a high
> > school, moving around?
>
> > ** Perhaps you should draw it and put in on a website one day.
> > It is not a military sub, how often do I have to tell you this? It is
> > a village under water with a glass roof.
>
> Sorry, things of this size are pretty limited to military. Huge space
> requirements to house 100 people underwater for weeks at a time, and
> you're talking about something for a lifetime.
What has the military to do with a civilian village?
>
>
>
> > And if it's moving around, you can hear it. So get some sonar gear
> > and find your village.
>
> > ** It is deep in the lake. You don't hear it crawling slowly forward.
>
> If it weighs TONS you can hear it. Really. Not to speak of portable
> generators (power plant would be more practical), all those pesky
> humans going to work or at play.
You won't hear it and you won't see it when you are on a boat on the
GSL.
The only way to see it would be when a chamber dives up and somebody
gets out and in a boat for the mainland.
But you just would see the chamber, not the entire village.
However, if a strange boat hangs around there, they might not release
the chamber for the surface as they
don't know who you are and what you want. They might wait till you are
gone.
Again, I think that some within the Mormon church knows where it is as
they must have a Mormon ward in the
village. They had one before, but again, the village was not a Mormon
idea.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> Barbara, I have one question:
>
> If this village exists and is so much better, why don't you go back?
Because the German secret service does not want me to find it anymore.
It is not easy to find a village in a huge deep lake.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:49:02 -0700 (PDT), BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> >I swam a couple of times in the GSL. You can't dive there as the water
> >doesn't allow you to get down. Is that so hard to understand? You need
> >special equipment that pulls you down. (However, if there is a
> >twister, you can drown in the GSL, as you suffocate on the waves that
> >spill in your face.) But you can't dive to the ground.
>
Take a hike, lawless impostor.
Do live in Tory's home? You use the same service as she does. Does she
agree to that you steal my name?
Barbara Schwarz
---
Who is Paul Horner aka Paul Durks aka Darude and a lousy zoo full of
other sockpuppets? I describe Paul as typical ultra low and lawless
anti-religious extremist scum.
Right now, he imposters me under ID Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net.
He stole the name of Mark or Marty Rathbun and my name Barbara Schwarz
and forged our names as registrars of a criminal rip-off website.
Horner steals also the name, the layout and the informative ideas of
correct informing www.religiousfreedomwatch.org and twists their
information and distracts from the low activities of the anti-
religious extremists and the anonymous "protesters", which apparently
are front groups of the psychiatry-obsessed and Scientology-hating
traditionally intolerant German secret service.
This here is the original website:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/
It is not my website either, but I am a witness to numerous events
described on this website and therefore can testify that these events
indeed happened. I also encountered the extremists as portrayed on
this website and I find their characters and activities correctly
described on the www.religiousreligiousfreedomwatch.org.
Paul Horner can't accept that I didn't fall for the lies of anti-
religious extremists and Anonymous. By forging my name as registrar
under his rip-off-and-lie website, he simply tries to change reality
in his and their favor.
Let me give you another example what Paul Horner is doing. Let's say,
you despise smoking. He would steal your name and register and publish
a pro-smoking website under your name.
Let's say, you despise drinking. He would steal your name and register
and publish a pro-drinking website under your (famous) name. Let's say
you despise drugs. He would steal your name and publish a pro-drug
website under your name. Let's say you would despise Nazis and
psychiatrists. He would steal your name and register and publish a pro-
Nazi and psychiatrist website under your name. Let's say, you despise
pedophilia. He would steal your name and register and publish a pro-
pedophilia website under your name.
I hope you got the point what Paul Horner does to me with his rip off
website of the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org.
Any anti-religious extremist or Anonymous guy who does not handle Paul
Horner to remove his lying website from the net is just as guilty as
Paul Horner himself.
Paul Horner has a criminal history of ripping off websites.
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Any anti-religious extremist and Anonymous who is pro Paul Horner
should share a prison cell with him.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> Divers wear belts with lead weights all the time so they can easily dive in any
> water simply by adjusting the amount of lead on the belt. Clearly you know
> nothing about diving. Why don't you try it some time? Or, if you cannot find
> lead divers weights, just use 30 or 40 pounds of chain, and see how easy it is
> to sink to the bottom of the lake.
>
> >> On Jun 5, 1:31 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> >> > I lived in a submarine village for the first years of my life. It was
> >> > a very beautiful village with a slow train going from station to
> >> > station, very green, very beautiful. It was under water for security
> >> > and health reasons (e.g. no dust and contamination, etc.).
>
> The average depth of the lake is only about 14 1/2 feet. That is about the
> height of a single story house
>
> In 1963, the lake dropped to about 9 feet below it's average. The deepest part
> of the lake was only a bit over 20 feet deep.
>
> In any case, it would be impossible to hide anything as large as a "village"
> under water that is just 5 feet deep. It would stick out everywhere and people
> would certainly notice.
>
> Your arguments that you remember it, dear, make absolutely no sense.
>
> Please, for your own sake, get some professional help.
>
> --
> An education isn’t how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It’s being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don’t. It’s knowing where to go to find out what you need to know; and it’s knowing how to use the information you get.
> - William Feather
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> In article
> <198784e4-45f6-4445-bb42-354fbb566...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 8, 2:01 am, redcoat1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Barbara needs a padded cell and no sharp objects around her.
>
> > > She has already cost the American taxpayer piles of money for her
> > > insane FOIA crap.
>
> > > She is a leach and is completely insane
>
> > This guy is the typical p$ychiatric troll. Lies, p$ychiatric
> > defamation and a very low IQ.
>
> Yeah yeah. So do you have a submarine village or not? I'm hoping you do
> and that there's a golf course there where the Nazi scientists have
> kept your grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower alive. If so, I want to play
Ron didn't suck at anything.
But indeed, there was a golf course in the village.
Barbara Schwarz
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
Well, she "could" mean a machine which condenses water vapor from the
air. That's at least remotely possible. But, this would hardly work
in an enclosed environment to any large degree, and one would notice a
huge snorkel sucking in air from the outside world to condense enough
water for 1000+ people. It also depends on a huge temperature
differential... which come to think about it if you were to suck warm
air to a cool place, some water would condense, not not to any usable
degree.
AWG has a small cooler that claims to be able to do it @ 4.5l per
kWh. To put into perspective, gasoline assuming 100% efficiency can
produce 9.6kWh/liter. Diesel, about 10.7kWh/liter. Even assuming
20% efficiency, that's is that's like about 9 liters of water per
liter of fuel.
Lithium Choloride could be used as well, and the water extracted by
heat, which is likely to require less energy. Steam based
desalination is without a doubt more efficient. Piping water from a
freshwater source is also, far more cost effective.
But here's the kicker.... they are not going to work well in the
winter, or actually more likely 1/3 of the year in Utah. So unless
you put your condensers in overdrive during the summer months, you're
not going to have enough water in winter. The temp needs to be above
70f to be really practical.
Also, it's been established that "The Village" doesn't take air from
the outside world for fear of contamination.
To be clear... extracting water from air can be done. In terms of
liquid fuels, you can possibly extract water from air at a 1:9 fuel to
water ratio given the right conditions.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/2006/2954/PDF/SIM2954.pdf
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/2005/2894/PDF/SIM2894.pdf
Or if you prefer google earth
http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile27817/Bathymetric-Map-of-Great-Salt-Lake,-Utah.htm
It's not a huge deep lake. It's a huge shallow lake. It's average
depth is roughly equal to a single story house. If you'll look at the
map, you'll notice the deep parts around the Union Pacific Causeway,
and between Stransbury Island and Antelope Island. Looks like I was
wrong about 40ft being the max depth, it's more like 35ft. But it is a
lake, and they do have dry years and wet years.
Given the Causeway being in the way, we can presume if it putters
around on the bottom of the GSL, it'll be between Stransbury and
Antelope island. This is ignoring that the geological survey that
bought you these maps didn't notice a HUGE submarine village, which
you would tend to.
BarryPepper
wrote in message
news:5cf866f2-8784-43e7...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Man - that's a fascinating thread. Thanks for putting so much time in
examining that claim from a scientific viewpoint and thanks to Barbara for
bringing up so many details about that village.
But all in all I think you are both wrong. That village is not in UTAH, it
is in lake in China.
Evidences?
Here - the German Psych secret police are already at work to destroy that
lake. They begun detonating explosives and firing rockets to accelerate the
destruction of a submarine village that exists in that lake.
It is happening just as I type these lines.
Check out
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/09/chinaearthquake.china
and here are 1,800+ related articles about it:
http://news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1219356128&hl=en&topic=w
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
>
> Take a hike, lawless impostor.
>
> Do live in Tory's home? You use the same service as she does. Does she
> agree to that you steal my name?
<snip>
As we established... Barbaraschwarz at charter.net is not surfing from
tory's machine, nor from a router at tory's place of residence.
I do have to make a correction, it's about 65 lines, and not 80. but
a 65 line signature file is pretty abusive. Also I looked at the
claims there and they seem minor. Registering microsoftsite.com and
reaching an agreement with microsoft about it? That's a simple
trademark dispute. Hell, Apple computer was a trademark violation of
Apple records, one which was resolved by them not produing sound or
music. Well, the Macintosh was released with really good sound and a
sound file called "sosumi" (so sue me), and to add insult to injury
they opened up the Apple music store.
Registering Amazon.net is well... again not illegal. Amazon.com took
exception to it and got those names transfered to them.
But obsessively presenting this information over and over again, well,
that's downright harassment in my book and dare I say it, 1.1 on the
tone scale. I have no clue who this Paul Horner is, but respectfully
it seems like you are the stalker, no mater what your justification
is.
> I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
> Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
> charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Didn't we go over this... Tory and B.Schwarz at Charter post under
different ip addresses. They ARE NOT POSTED FROM THE SAME MACHINE,
NOR A MACHINE BEYIND A ROUTER AT TORY'S RESIDENCE. This you can take
as fact. Given the IP address of B.Schwarz at Charter is consistent,
though encrypted as is the norm from Charter, they are posting from
the same machine at the same residence.
There is no evidence to support Tory Magoo's involvement. The only
evidence we have is it's not being done from behind her router.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Man - that's a fascinating thread. Thanks for putting so much time in
> examining that claim from a scientific viewpoint and thanks to Barbara for
> bringing up so many details about that village.
No worries. I'm not a scientist or even well versed in the sciences.
I have a passing interest in antique tech, and did find such a claim
of a totally self sufficient underground village interesting. But
the fact of the matter is, biodome projects, onces that are totally
dependent on internal air, have failed.
The biggest attempt I know about is biosphere-2, and that one they
cheated. They used O2 scrubber, and generated electricity from piped
in natural gas. The first attempt failed to provide enough O2 for 9
people, and the food supply was on the lean side. That was an 3.14-
acre dome. A huge problem was heat, they used massive air
conditioners to keep the inner climate stable.
There is one in Siberia, BIOS-3. It was powered by an external hydro
power. They did one 180 day streach with 3 men. It was about 85%
efficient, though human waste was not recycled.
But this should give some indication of the difficulty level of
building a biosphere for 10 people, let alone 1000+, and this is on
the surface with ample sunlight for plants.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
> Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
>
> Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> village.
Revisiting this... in 1909 there was a magnitude 6 earthquake in the
northern part of the lake. Waves (seiche) were reported at being at
least 12 feet high as the train trestle built above the lake was
destroyed.
Learn more http://geology.utah.gov/utahgeo/hazards/eqfault/index.htm
I wouldn't say Utah is a major hotspot for seismic activity... but I
can say with absolute certainty that there is a trench that pretty
much folllows the line of the railroad causeway, the Behrens Trench.
You can see it on those Bathymetric Maps I linked earlier. So
presuming the Nazi psychiatrists have laser beam earth quake weapons,
it's pretty safe to assume that this Trench would be a target. This
also ignores the existence of a huge pumping station that was built to
drain the lake when it overflowed, adequate enough to pump out 12
feet x 1,500,000 acres of excess water.
Also... mountains provide pretty good barriers against things like
missiles or bombs. They also are excellent barriers against radar,
sonar, or other equipment used to locate something. Cheyenne Mountain
for example is no secret, and it wouldn't survive a direct hit by a
larger thermal nuclear missile. It would likely survive a 30 megaton
blast from a mile away. It was built to take bombs in the megaton
range during the start of the coldwar. But this being said, it's no
biosphere. .Without being connected to the outside, they could make
due for about a month before they run out of food. Air intake is
filtered the mountain is the source for water.
Lakes are not good barriers against missiles or bombs, as anything you
drop on the lake falls to the bottom.
BarryPepper
> Lakes are not good barriers against missiles or bombs, as anything you
> drop on the lake falls to the bottom.
There's also a theory that a civilization exists underground the earth. I
sounds similar to Barbara's account. I think the entrance is somewhere on
the North Pole. There really are a bunch of people who believe that this is
really true.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14269_aliens.html
"Rumors about underground towns appeared for the first time in 1946. The
person to launch the rumors was Richard Shaver - writer, journalist and
scientist. His incredible story about contacts with aliens living under the
ground was published in Amazing Stories Magazine. Shaver said that he had
spent several weeks living under the ground with demon-looking aliens, whose
descriptions can be found in ancient legends and fairytales. Almost every
nation has a tale of an ancient race, who settled in planet Earth long
before humans appeared on it. Those underground creatures are described as
inconceivably talented, brilliant and culturally educated - they do not want
to have anything in common with humans.
One could refer to the story from the American writer as a fruit of his
vivid imagination. However, hundreds of readers responded to the
publication. They wrote that they had visited underground cities, talked to
their residents and saw unimaginable technical inventions, which guaranteed
a comfortable existence in the very depth of the planet. Furthermore, the
technologies of underground aliens give them an opportunity to control the
minds of humans."
Now, would you believe, as I read the page above, I bump into Nazi too!!! :
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14269_aliens.html
The scientists of the Third Reich were very interested in the mysterious
underground world too. A special top secret expedition was organized in
1942. German scientists also hoped to install new radar systems under the
ground and draw closer to global reign. Unfortunately, the outcome of the
intrigue is not known, but the hypothesis of the underground civilization
developed further on during the second half of the 20th century.
They go on with stories of miners who witnessed something and a satellite
picking something too..
And now for a link between Barbara's submarine village and that underground
civilization:
Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070228_beijing_anomoly.html
Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast
water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the
Arctic Ocean.
The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in
the planet's deep mantle..
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:7995a808-10fb-428f...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Lakes are not good barriers against missiles or bombs, as anything you
> > drop on the lake falls to the bottom.
>
> There's also a theory that a civilization exists underground the earth. I
> sounds similar to Barbara's account. I think the entrance is somewhere on
> the North Pole. There really are a bunch of people who believe that this is
> really true.
Well, I'm sure there are a handful of people who believe in an
underground civilization. But there simply is not any evidence to
support this.
There is life in strange places... but pretty much all complex life
depends in one way or another on plants, most plants require light,
but there are some epiparasite or myco-heterophyte that depend on a
symbiotic or parasitic relationship with a fungus. Most albino plants
however are parasites that live off another plant that does produce
Chlorophyll, so it wouldn't produce oxygen.
Oh and Prokaryotes were discovered in Canada recently a mile down.
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/26/life-found-a-mile-below-terrestrial-seabed-implications-for-life-on-mars/
Not anything complex like plants or animals.. but still very
remarkable.
But what we haven't discovered an underground environment that is
really teaming with diverse life that isn't connected in some way or
another to the surface. You have Astyanax mexicanus but these fish
live in caves open to the outside world and eat things like flies.
Oh, deep ocean hydrothermal vents do support a complex ecosystem which
is pretty much as far away from sunlight as possible, however at the
bottom of the food chain, the microbes depend on oxygen in the
seawater which was put there thanks to photosynthesis.
But a civilization is rather far fetched, and there is no evidence.
> And now for a link between Barbara's submarine village and that underground
> civilization:
>
> Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earthhttp://www.livescience.com/environment/070228_beijing_anomoly.html
> Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast
> water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the
> Arctic Ocean.
> The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in
> the planet's deep mantle..
Yes, the underwater ocean is interesting to say the least, esp the
theory behind it, evaporation of rock. There is no evidence of any
life there presently, and in fact, life would be unlikely, though
those Prokaryotes would be a candidate since they can live through
100C extremes.
Hephaestus
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 9:29 pm, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has this shit been posted on Enturb yet? If not, it's going on Enturb.
> > This is too fucking funny.
>
> It's not there that I can see. She's not even gotten into the story
> of the evil nazi psychiatrists who kidnapped her as a child and took
> her to Germany.. This is a group known as the "Still Existing German
> Nazi Psychiatrists' Mindcontroller Secret Service" (SEGNPMSS)." if not
> by Barbara than everyone else. They have vays of making you talk
> about your mother.
>
> But I'm not addressing that. After the war there were a number of
> Nazi POWs released after the war, and those POWs who were converted.
> While far fetched, Nazis did exist. I'm just addressing the
> unlikelihood of sub village Chattanooga. If it did exist, it would be
> the only successful biodome projects known, the sort of thing that
> would get huge grants even if it's a tad impractical to putter around
> the Salt Lake in a submarine.
look up the letter she sent to the CIA, you get a step by step guide
through her past lunacies, she will accuse you at some point of being
SEGNPMS. Still Existing German Nazi Psychiatrist something Society
far as I remember.
She doesn't know we changed the name to snagglepuss, putting still
existing into our name was only showing our low self esteem.
Just wait till she tells you guys about the nazi mind controlled
killer germs. After awhile it's not so much funny, as just, well, sad.
Hephaestus
How bout when he asked who built it and she replied
the constructors?
aw, god, I've missed this. It went past being sad and into being
funny again.
Hephaestus
> On Jun 8, 10:28 am, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On 8 jun, 17:17, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Dude.
>
> > > She just said "if you cool a certain area, you get ice."
>
> > > She thinks you can make ice from nothing.
>
> > > Lulz.
>
> > She sees infiltrators, kidnappers, conspiracies, impostors. She is
> > even convinced there is a village on the bottom GSL.
> > What do you think is wrong with her?
>
> High IQ is "wrong" with me, Peter.
I don't care if it is because she's foreign, that's funny.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 8:17 am, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dude.
>
> > She just said "if you cool a certain area, you get ice."
>
> > She thinks you can make ice from nothing.
>
> Well, she "could" mean a machine which condenses water vapor from the
> air. That's at least remotely possible.
These guys suddenly talk from glass ceilings too. :)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/earlyshow/main4163909.shtml
Anyway, to create condensed water through cooling is not just remotely
possible but very well possible, and I did it myself.
> But, this would hardly work
> in an enclosed environment to any large degree, and one would notice a
> huge snorkel sucking in air from the outside world to condense enough
> water for 1000+ people. It also depends on a huge temperature
> differential... which come to think about it if you were to suck warm
> air to a cool place, some water would condense, not not to any usable
> degree.
Why don't you build a small village, a toy village and test everything
and then calculate it for a larger dimension?
The best of all, I was in the village. It is exists and it is doable
and very healthy. My advantage is that I have seen it already.
>
> AWG has a small cooler that claims to be able to do it @ 4.5l per
> kWh. To put into perspective, gasoline assuming 100% efficiency can
> produce 9.6kWh/liter. Diesel, about 10.7kWh/liter. Even assuming
> 20% efficiency, that's is that's like about 9 liters of water per
> liter of fuel.
You are on a wrong track. They did NOT use these equipments. They
invented their own equipment. In order to understand it, you have to
think new and not compare the village on anything you saw on the
surface on the earth.
>
> Lithium Choloride could be used as well, and the water extracted by
> heat, which is likely to require less energy. Steam based
> desalination is without a doubt more efficient. Piping water from a
> freshwater source is also, far more cost effective.
They did not think in measures of saving money. They were thinking
about saving money but rather how to become immortal.
>
> But here's the kicker.... they are not going to work well in the
> winter, or actually more likely 1/3 of the year in Utah. So unless
> you put your condensers in overdrive during the summer months, you're
> not going to have enough water in winter. The temp needs to be above
> 70f to be really practical.
The village had their own temperature. Winter didn't matter as the
equipment was within the village who was always in the upper 70s.
>
> Also, it's been established that "The Village" doesn't take air from
> the outside world for fear of contamination.
That's true.
>
> To be clear... extracting water from air can be done. In terms of
> liquid fuels, you can possibly extract water from air at a 1:9 fuel to
> water ratio given the right conditions.
The entire village existed. I saw it. I was in it. It was very clean,
and the air felt very good, easy to breath. People didn't age and
didn't get sick and old in it. Period.
I know it because I saw it. The orgs should build such villages for
Scientologists. The U.S. government should build such villages instead
of wasting Billions of Dollars for health care.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2:39 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > On Jun 8, 1:14 pm, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Barbara, I have one question:
>
> > > If this village exists and is so much better, why don't you go back?
>
> > Because the German secret service does not want me to find it anymore.
>
> > It is not easy to find a village in a huge deep lake.
>
>
> Or if you prefer google earthhttp://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile27817/Bathymetric-Map-of-Great-Salt-...
>
> It's not a huge deep lake. It's a huge shallow lake. It's average
> depth is roughly equal to a single story house. If you'll look at the
> map, you'll notice the deep parts around the Union Pacific Causeway,
> and between Stransbury Island and Antelope Island. Looks like I was
> wrong about 40ft being the max depth, it's more like 35ft. But it is a
> lake, and they do have dry years and wet years.
>
> Given the Causeway being in the way, we can presume if it putters
> around on the bottom of the GSL, it'll be between Stransbury and
> Antelope island. This is ignoring that the geological survey that
> bought you these maps didn't notice a HUGE submarine village, which
> you would tend to.
As the submarine village can locate to other places in the lake, no
map will record it. Technically, it would qualify more as a ship than
a village, which means, it would not be recorded on a map as no
geological survey maps ships or movable things, rights?
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com>
And you are of course not the real Barry Pepper...
>
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 2:39 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> >> On Jun 8, 1:14 pm, peterschi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > Barbara, I have one question:
>
> >> > If this village exists and is so much better, why don't you go back?
>
> >> Because the German secret service does not want me to find it anymore.
>
> >> It is not easy to find a village in a huge deep lake.
>
> >http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/2006/2954/PDF/SIM2954.pdf
> >http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/2005/2894/PDF/SIM2894.pdf
>
> > Or if you prefer google earth
> >http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile27817/Bathymetric-Map-of-Great-Salt-...
>
> > It's not a huge deep lake. It's a huge shallow lake. It's average
> > depth is roughly equal to a single story house. If you'll look at the
> > map, you'll notice the deep parts around the Union Pacific Causeway,
> > and between Stransbury Island and Antelope Island. Looks like I was
> > wrong about 40ft being the max depth, it's more like 35ft. But it is a
> > lake, and they do have dry years and wet years.
>
> > Given the Causeway being in the way, we can presume if it putters
> > around on the bottom of the GSL, it'll be between Stransbury and
> > Antelope island. This is ignoring that the geological survey that
> > bought you these maps didn't notice a HUGE submarine village, which
> > you would tend to.
>
> Man - that's a fascinating thread. Thanks for putting so much time in
> examining that claim from a scientific viewpoint and thanks to Barbara for
> bringing up so many details about that village.
Panda is interested in alternative living but as far as I have known,
he has not done any real scientific tests.
>
> But all in all I think you are both wrong. That village is not in UTAH, it
> is in lake in China.
Lol. Yeah right.
>
> Evidences?
>
> Here - the German Psych secret police are already at work to destroy that
> lake. They begun detonating explosives and firing rockets to accelerate the
> destruction of a submarine village that exists in that lake.
>
> It is happening just as I type these lines.
>
> Check outhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/09/chinaearthquake.china
>
> and here are 1,800+ related articles about it:
>
> http://news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&ncl=12193561...
The German secret service sure can cause earthquakes. All they need is
a laser that they beam into a fault or they do a calculated
underground explosion to make the Earth quake.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
>
>
>
> > Take a hike, lawless impostor.
>
> > Do live in Tory's home? You use the same service as she does. Does she
> > agree to that you steal my name?
>
> <snip>
>
> As we established... Barbaraschwarz at charter.net is not surfing from
> tory's machine, nor from a router at tory's place of residence.
Nothing is established and as we have freedom of speech, I may defend
myself with 65 lines or 650.000.000.000.000 lines.
Moreover, I made no statement of facts against Tory, I just raised a
question.
You always ask me to prove what I say. I ask you herewith to prove
that Tory has nothing to do with my impostor.
1) Prove that they don't post from the same computer or from the same
household.
2) If they should not post from the same computer or household, prove
that Tory does not know who the impostor is and that she does not
approve of his activities against me.
Barbara Schwarz
And as you are a fan of my sig line, here is it again:
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Any anti-religious extremist and Anonymous who is pro Paul Horner
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 4:50 pm, "BarryPepper" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Man - that's a fascinating thread. Thanks for putting so much time in
> > examining that claim from a scientific viewpoint and thanks to Barbara for
> > bringing up so many details about that village.
>
> No worries. I'm not a scientist or even well versed in the sciences.
I noticed.
> I have a passing interest in antique tech, and did find such a claim
> of a totally self sufficient underground village interesting. But
> the fact of the matter is, biodome projects, onces that are totally
> dependent on internal air, have failed.
The biodome was sabotaged from the start.
>
> The biggest attempt I know about is biosphere-2, and that one they
> cheated. They used O2 scrubber, and generated electricity from piped
> in natural gas. The first attempt failed to provide enough O2 for 9
> people, and the food supply was on the lean side. That was an 3.14-
> acre dome. A huge problem was heat, they used massive air
> conditioners to keep the inner climate stable.
>
> There is one in Siberia, BIOS-3. It was powered by an external hydro
> power. They did one 180 day streach with 3 men. It was about 85%
> efficient, though human waste was not recycled.
>
> But this should give some indication of the difficulty level of
> building a biosphere for 10 people, let alone 1000+, and this is on
> the surface with ample sunlight for plants.
The mistake that you are making is that you try to figure out the
village by things that you have seen on the surface. You have to throw
out anything something else did and look at everything new.
The village was build to preserve health, life and youth. That means
that anything that harmed these factors is not in the village. In
other words: forget gasoline,
high volt electricity, chemicals... Outside material, it is not there.
Barbara Schwarz
peters...@gmail.com
What are the measurements of the submarine village?
What power source is used to move it?
Peter
"It has been proven that Scientology uses
similar procedures ("techniques") on the one hand to make individuals
pliable and to
discipline its members, and on the other hand to attack its critics,
who are seen as enemies,
in order to silence them and obstruct them in their activities against
the organization."
hjttp://www.scamofscientology.nl
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 12:49 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > The German Secret Service can make that mountain crash down on your
> > lovely civilization, and you would be all dead. An explosion and laser
> > beam that triggers an earth quake, and that would be the end of it.
> > Also, there might be lots of germs in the mountains and dust.
> > (However, I believe that the pyramids are based on constructions
> > attempts to preserve youth and life in protected villages.
> > Scientologist Ali Vorherr build once a little pyramid and showed it to
> > me. He made longevity experiences with that pyramid.)
>
> > Anyway, a village in a lake as the GSL is the perfect place for such a
> > village.
>
> Revisiting this... in 1909 there was a magnitude 6 earthquake in the
> northern part of the lake. Waves (seiche) were reported at being at
> least 12 feet high as the train trestle built above the lake was
> destroyed.
>
>
> I wouldn't say Utah is a major hotspot for seismic activity... but I
> can say with absolute certainty that there is a trench that pretty
> much folllows the line of the railroad causeway, the Behrens Trench.
> You can see it on those Bathymetric Maps I linked earlier. So
> presuming the Nazi psychiatrists have laser beam earth quake weapons,
> it's pretty safe to assume that this Trench would be a target. This
> also ignores the existence of a huge pumping station that was built to
> drain the lake when it overflowed, adequate enough to pump out 12
> feet x 1,500,000 acres of excess water.
>
> Also... mountains provide pretty good barriers against things like
> missiles or bombs. They also are excellent barriers against radar,
> sonar, or other equipment used to locate something. Cheyenne Mountain
> for example is no secret, and it wouldn't survive a direct hit by a
> larger thermal nuclear missile. It would likely survive a 30 megaton
> blast from a mile away. It was built to take bombs in the megaton
> range during the start of the coldwar. But this being said, it's no
> biosphere. .Without being connected to the outside, they could make
> due for about a month before they run out of food. Air intake is
> filtered the mountain is the source for water.
>
> Lakes are not good barriers against missiles or bombs, as anything you
> drop on the lake falls to the bottom.
You are forgetting one thing: the village is also infiltrated by
agents of the SEGNPMSS. They have the same problem like the
Scientology orgs and the U.S. government. Infiltration of moles. If
the village is bombed, not all might die and the survivors were
promised by the German Secret Service that they come away that they
will be never harmed. The infiltrators might turn on the secret
service if something is attacked while they are in it. Same principle
applies for the infiltrators in the orgs.
There is also the factor that many infiltrators go through a change
while infiltrating. For example: they once infiltrated the orgs to
destroy Scientology tech but one day they come to the conclusion that
what L. Ron Hubbard did was amazing, so they don't want it wiped out
anymore as it should be preserved at least for themselves.
Other example: they once infiltrated the village to destroy it, but
one day they come to the conclusion that it is the healthiest place to
live that it preserves youth, health and life and they don't want it
wiped out anymore as it should be preserved at least for themselves.
If the German secret service takes it all away from them, they might
turn against it. The SEGNPMSS runs the entire planet but they do have
problems juggling their secret power.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com>
This place is none that I was ever in it.
The village that I once lived in is not an alien place, "Barry". But
knowing L. Ron Hubbard, I can tell you that he researched all his time
track up and down and was the philosopher who left no aspect of life
untouched or unsolved. Besides of finding creating the map for
spiritual immortality, he also build places for physical immorality.
>
> http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/14269_aliens.html
> The scientists of the Third Reich were very interested in the mysterious
> underground world too. A special top secret expedition was organized in
> 1942. German scientists also hoped to install new radar systems under the
> ground and draw closer to global reign. Unfortunately, the outcome of the
> intrigue is not known, but the hypothesis of the underground civilization
> developed further on during the second half of the 20th century.
>
> They go on with stories of miners who witnessed something and a satellite
> picking something too..
This is indeed revealing. Again, the Nazis and the p$ychs behind them
want to preserve their own lives, youth and health but they don't want
anybody else's life to be short and painful.The Nazis stole the way of
life of the submarine village in the GSL and build their bunkers in
which Hitler retired as he didn't commit suicide.
>
> And now for a link between Barbara's submarine village and that underground
> civilization:
>
> Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earthhttp://www.livescience.com/environment/070228_beijing_anomoly.html
> Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast
> water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the
> Arctic Ocean.
> The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in
> the planet's deep mantle..
The village was not in the ocean as the ocean is too wild. I am sure
that Ron was the architect of such villages in early history. Be also
reminded of Atlantis. The word rather secretly indicates that it is on
land: At land is.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
Too bad you are nothing and nobody, Hes, you are not bright, you are
not entertaining, you are not inventive, you are just a dumb remote
controlled SEGNPMSS heckler with ear implants. People like you are the
reasons that the world and living conditions on Earth are not getting
better.Your value for the world is as little as the value of a
cockroach for the survival of the plan. Anything about you is
small.... Very, very small.
Chef Xenu
If they had access to a nuclear power plant (ala Captain Nemo), or if
each of the generators barbara s. talks about were actually little
nuclear reactors (ala Back to the Future) then the village could
convert sea water into both air and water. This would require a
variety of skilled technicians for the reactor(s) (teams of reactor
operators, electrical operators, and mechanical operators) as well as
specialists for the desalinization and air production systems.
While all these technologies are currently in use by the US Navy
today, neither these technologies nor the training required to operate
and maintain them existed in the era's spoken of by Barbara in
relation to her GSL underwater village.
This thread has been fascinating reading so far. It is interesting to
see a demonstration of the effect of Hubbard's policy that an auditor
never invalidate the "data" received from their PC. Barbara could
make a fortune if she would write these daydreams and halucinations...
er.. "recovered memories" down and sell them as fiction, or better yet
movie scripts! Its at least as good as L. Ron's later SciFi. It's
kind of like "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" meets Will Smith's "Wild
Wild West" with a few of the Nazi's from "Raider's of the Lost Ark"
thrown in for good measure. Make the star (4 year old Barbara) a
couple years older and she could even steal the "Golden Compass" fan
base and clean up at the box office.
What do ya think Barbara? Wanna go for it? If it works all I ask for
in compensation for the idea is that you get me a nice translucent
green Mk VII Hubbard Electropsychometer so Anonymous and I can start
auditing each other at our pickets :-)
peace,
Chef Xenu
_________
SP V - Marcab Confederacy Mobile Mess Unit, 4th (or 5th) Marcabian
Interstellar Invasion Force
http://www.youtube.com/ChefXenu - Bachelor Cooking meets $cientology
http://www.youtube.com/OhioXenu - Protest footage and enturbulation.
Askren
I just booked a fabulously cheap vacation to this here underwater
village of immortality. $150 each way from New York, and only $50 a
night!
Askren
I think they made a video game about this underwater village quite
recently. It's called Bioshock, and it's based on a colony built by
humans underwater to try and save the human race by making everyone
genetically perfect using a substance called Adam (the antithesis to
the genetic imperfections known as Eve).
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Nothing is established and as we have freedom of speech, I may defend
> myself with 65 lines or 650.000.000.000.000 lines.
> Moreover, I made no statement of facts against Tory, I just raised a
> question.
Respectfully you have made no facts against Tory, only wild
accusations unfounded in fact. That's pretty abusive.
Also you are not defending your self, you are attacking others.
Lastly, what you are describing is SPAM. The same or similar message
repeated over and over again. This is rather why you were kicked off
the SLC library computers, or so I'm informed. It's 1.1 on the tone
scale as LRH would put it.
> You always ask me to prove what I say. I ask you herewith to prove
> that Tory has nothing to do with my impostor.
> 1) Prove that they don't post from the same computer or from the same
> household.
> 2) If they should not post from the same computer or household, prove
> that Tory does not know who the impostor is and that she does not
> approve of his activities against me.
It's not up to me to prove YOUR accusations. Its up to YOU to prove
them.
As for 1) I have proved they are not coming from the same machine, or
a router in the same household. They are on different IP addresses.
You can see this for your self in the headers. The values for both
are encrypted, as is the norm for charter.net, but Tory's value is
consistent, so is B.Schwarz @ Charter.
As for 2) well, you are asking me to prove a negative. Let's say I
claim there was a red bike in orbit around Saturn, and I ask you to
prove there isn't. You can't, not without going there or having a
huge telescope with resolution beyond that we have today. Does that
mean there is a red bike orbiting around Saturn? No. It just proves
I can make a claim you can't disprove. It would be up to me to prove
it.
That being said I can not prove that Tory doesn't know the person
posting as Barbara Schwarz. I don't know Tory personally, I don't
live near Tory. I would need to observe Tory's household the same
time a message is posted, and note no one posting to usenet as Barbara
Schwarz. But at the same time, you can't prove it either.
As for approval... I have no idea what her feelings on the subject
are. I don't care. It's your job to do your own fact checking before
you make accusations.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> > I have a passing interest in antique tech, and did find such a claim
> > of a totally self sufficient underground village interesting. But
> > the fact of the matter is, biodome projects, onces that are totally
> > dependent on internal air, have failed.
>
> The biodome was sabotaged from the start.
Ummm... no.. It was sabotaged for mission two. Mission one failed.
> > But this should give some indication of the difficulty level of
> > building a biosphere for 10 people, let alone 1000+, and this is on
> > the surface with ample sunlight for plants.
>
> The mistake that you are making is that you try to figure out the
> village by things that you have seen on the surface. You have to throw
> out anything something else did and look at everything new.
> The village was build to preserve health, life and youth. That means
> that anything that harmed these factors is not in the village. In
> other words: forget gasoline,
> high volt electricity, chemicals... Outside material, it is not there.
Actually this is what you are not taking into account. You're going
to have to make your materials on the surface first. You can't a
village underwater without some starting materials, and you need
enough in the way of materials to be self sufficient.
gasoline - This is a highly dense fuel which we can refine from crude
oil, a natural resource. We have yet to make it economically possible
to make our own fuels. The closest we have presently is alcohol,
which won't provide the KJs that petrol does, and depends on massive
amounts of land to generate the sugars needed by the yeasts (fungus
family) to make alcohol, plus heat for distillation. Methane is
another which can be made by man, but presently isn't, though it
should be. There is also hydrogen... when turned forms water. But
the only way to get it is with a chemical reaction or electrolysis.
Oh, there is biodiesel, which I believe is easier to make than
alcohol, and is almost on par with petrol.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> The village was not in the ocean as the ocean is too wild. I am sure
> that Ron was the architect of such villages in early history. Be also
> reminded of Atlantis. The word rather secretly indicates that it is on
> land: At land is.
The ocean is NOT wild when you go deep under the surface. You have
tide, but you can at the very least use tidal forces to generate
power. We are starting to do this today. The biggest barrier is the
fact that salt water is HIGHLY corrosive. Also, things start growing
on your props/rudders. But living in the ocean, it wouldn't be all
that hard I presume to go out and sweep the props if you can overcome
the corrosion issue.
Atlantis is a myth, and as myths go it was a civilization that lived
on the surface that sunk.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
>. It's
> kind of like "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" meets Will Smith's "Wild
> Wild West" with a few of the Nazi's from "Raider's of the Lost Ark"
> thrown in for good measure. Make the star (4 year old Barbara) a
> couple years older and she could even steal the "Golden Compass" fan
> base and clean up at the box office.
Oh absolutely.... sounds like a steam punk classic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eidolon
We need a good steam punk film.
zo...@yahoo.com
<snip>
> The village was not in the ocean as the ocean is too wild. I am sure
> that Ron was the architect of such villages in early history. Be also
> reminded of Atlantis. The word rather secretly indicates that it is on
> land: At land is.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
That's amazing... because the word Atlantis was around long before
English of course.
Not only did they make a great underwater civilization, they could
predict future language composition, in order to send encrypted
messages to us!
Ok, enough with the sarcasm. Atlantis in the original Greek meant,
"island of Atlas".
Carry on.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> As the submarine village can locate to other places in the lake, no
> map will record it. Technically, it would qualify more as a ship than
> a village, which means, it would not be recorded on a map as no
> geological survey maps ships or movable things, rights?
The submarine village can not locate other places in the lake. It's
too shallow. It would be limited to the area between Antelope and
Stransbury island, perhaps the lower half of the Basin near the
railroad causeway, or north of the causeway.
Presuming "The village" supports things the size of houses (14 feet)
Trees which well... 80 feet is a good average sized pine, but we can
shrink these suckers down to 25 feet just for the sake of sanity, or
better still dwarf trees. Dwarf Italian prune trees only reach 14
feet in height. Plus you need to take into account the size of the
glass at this depth, which would be proportional to the surface area
that we haven't determined yet, but just for the sake of conversation
2feet of glass would be reasonable, brining us up to 16 feet, plus
overhead as I'm going to presume you are not going to build these
houses up to the top, which would be a good idea for support... 20
feet... 20 feet with dwarf trees and single story houses. This is
also not taking into account bottom, sizes, and soil. Presuming wood,
which will leak and rot, you'd need huge beams beyond household ones
which are larger than 1 foot. 2 foot beams would be minimal, and this
would provide nice bilge space, which you are going to need so the
soil doesn't get contaminated with salt water. Plus you need soil.
you might be able to plant dwarf trees in 1 foot of soil.. So, we are
up to what, 23 feet, and again this is rather minimal and wouldn't
take the pressure of 2 atmospheres.
We've not established if it floats or crawls around on the bottom, but
we're going to presume puttering around on the bottom. If it putters
to an elevation of 4177ft it's going to be on the surface and
grounded. That really limits the area it can travel.
Also size, presuming 1000 people, and an average family size of 3, and
they each get their own house, that's 313 houses. Let's presume 10ft
by 10ft houses, that's 31,300 sq feet alone for living quarters not
taking into account streets, recycle plants, engines, food & water,
farms, o2 scrubbers. That's about 180 x 180ft for cramped living
quarters, so trivial in contrast to the area you need to support 1000
people. Point 3 acres per person or 13,000 square feet is
conservative for minimal living, not including power plants, water
reclamation, water reservoir, engines, o2 scrubbers, lights.
Presuming 1000 people, that's about 300 acres or .46 square miles, 13
million square feet, 3614 feet by 3614 feet. or .68 miles x .68
miles.
Let's review what you said
"Technically, it would qualify more as a ship than a village, which
means, it would not be recorded on a map as no geological survey maps
ships or movable things, rights? "
We can safely presume the resolution of the sonar is below one square
foot, but we can even presume a resolution of 10 feet. Something the
size of 13 million square feet is well within the resolution range of
sonar. On top of that... Presuming it's in the 35ft basin, it's only
going to be 12 feet away from the surface, or 7 feet away in the 30
foot basin.
Ships show up in surveys. Surface ships are not included in
bathymetric maps because they are not included. They are not
relevant. You "may" not notice a sunken ship at 100ft as the relative
height is rather low in contrast to the depth. Trash reefs on the
other hand are included. But we're talking something at the very
least would be 75% the deepest depth for an area of at least 13
million square feet. Presuming a low resolution of 10 feet, you're
going to spot something OVER 13 million square feet and over 20 feet
tall. In fact, you could see it from the surface. Hell, you could
likely see it from orbit.
But presuming they didn't actually see it, which is unlikely, you have
now maps where it would be if it did exist, just west of Antelope
island.
BarryPepper
news:537f98cd-a4af-42d2...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 10:55 pm, "BarryPepper" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> The village that I once lived in is not an alien place, "Barry". But
> knowing L. Ron Hubbard, I can tell you that he researched all his time
> track up and down and was the philosopher who left no aspect of life
> untouched or unsolved. Besides of finding creating the map for
> spiritual immortality, he also build places for physical immorality.
OK. So now we know that the Constructors were none other than Hubbard
himself.
> This is indeed revealing. Again, the Nazis and the p$ychs behind them
> want to preserve their own lives, youth and health but they don't want
> anybody else's life to be short and painful.The Nazis stole the way of
> life of the submarine village in the GSL and build their bunkers in
> which Hitler retired as he didn't commit suicide.
Good - so now we also know the names of at least two of the top twelve psych
conspirators: Hitler and Xenu (evaded from his electronic prison).
> The village was not in the ocean as the ocean is too wild. I am sure
> that Ron was the architect of such villages in early history. Be also
> reminded of Atlantis. The word rather secretly indicates that it is on
> land: At land is.
So from this should we also recon that the Atlantic Ocean is on land?
Anyway, you may be surprised to learn that Atlantis was not even in the
Atlantic Ocean. That was a mistake made by Plato. Atlantis was on a lake!
That huge village eventually was brought under water for its own protection,
leading people to think it had sunk, when in reality it is still alive as an
Utopian submarine village where everybody is healthy and never dies and do
not even have to work:
http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Ar-Be/Atlantis.html
Atlantis was a paradise: no one had to work hard, every type of wonderful
food grew there, and animals were plentiful. Poseidon had created a stream
of hot water and a stream of cold water for the island. It had a glorious
culture with wonderful palaces and temples. The kings were rich in gold,
silver, and other precious metals. The people of Atlantis lived in a golden
age of harmony and abundance.
And here is incontrovertible evidences that Atlantis was on a lake, not in
the sea as it is often wrongly assumed. A lake not far from a large
mountain... Can you connect the dots...?:
http://atlantislegend.com/
is it possible that the island Plato spoke of was actually present in a lake
not far from a large mountain? ... The more I researched the idea, the more
I became convinced that this was the final answer to the Atlantis mystery.
Everything seemed to fall into place. I was even able to glimpse at the
possible significance of the pyramids and why the Egyptians had such a
belief in the afterlife that they did.
BarryPepper
news:6f26f283-23bc-45a5...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Carry on.
=============
There you have is : is-land. Want any more proof?
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> > Well, she "could" mean a machine which condenses water vapor from the
> > air. That's at least remotely possible.
>
> These guys suddenly talk from glass ceilings too. :)
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/09/earlyshow/main4163909.shtml
>
> Anyway, to create condensed water through cooling is not just remotely
> possible but very well possible, and I did it myself.
You are not MAKING water out of thin air, you are extracting water
from water vapor in the air using condensation.
Presuming gas, we can extra water from air at a 1:9 ratio. But we can
even presume another magic fuel, it doesn't matter. Steam extraction
of fresh from salt water is far more efficient, which IS something one
would be considered about in a space with limited resources. You
don't have unlimited fuel, you're not on nuclear or geothermal. But
presuming you got all your water from the air, we must look at maximum
possible saturation of water in air (100% relative humidity)
----percent by mass at 1atm---
50C - %0008812 88.12g h2o / 1kg air
40C - %0004981 49.81g h2o / 1kg air
30C - %0002769 27.69g h2o / 1kg air
20C - %0001485 14.85g h2o / 1kg air
10C - %0000776 7.76g h2o / 1kg air
00C - %0000384 03.84g h2o / 1kg air
13 million square feet * 20 feet = 240 million cubic feet
240 million cubic feet = 22.3 million square meters.
1 square meter = 100 liters
1kg air @ 1atm = 7.75 square meters
2,877,419 kg air @ 1 atm
Presuming 11.305g h20 per 1kg of air @ 15C
32,529kg of it are water, where we can presume liter = 1kg of pure
water @ sea level, I'm too lazy to calculate it's mass, as well as
water saturation at 2 atmospheres. it's about 9500 gallons. Presuming
1000 people, that's 9.5 gallons of water per person.
This is presuming
1) 100 % conversion @ 1 atm @ 25C from 100% relative humidity to 0%
humidity The BEST you can hope for at 25C is 66% and even then that's
100% of all water extracted at 25c down at 0c.
This is ignoring
1) to convert gaseous water to liquid water, the volume decreases by a
factor of 1600:1 or so. 1g = 16 cubic meters of air
240 million cubic feet = 22.3 million square meters.
520,464 square meters @ 1 atm
Pressure loss 2.3%
This also ignores
9.5gallons per person when the relative humidity is now down to 0% A
more realistic extraction rate, resulting in only a .023% pressure
loss and loss of only 10% of the water in the air. 1000 gallons per
day, or 1 gallon of water per person.
This also ignores
Your at 2atm, not 1.
----------------------------------------
> > Lithium Choloride could be used as well, and the water extracted by
> > heat, which is likely to require less energy. Steam based
> > desalination is without a doubt more efficient. Piping water from a
> > freshwater source is also, far more cost effective.
>
> They did not think in measures of saving money. They were thinking
> about saving money but rather how to become immortal.
They need to be self sufficient. This means a high output to input
ratio. Burning fuel at a ratio of 9:1 to extract water is wasteful
when there are more efficient alternatives. Further as pointed out
above, the most you can get from your air is about 9.5gal per person @
2% volume loss.
Desalination is more efficient, starting with fresh water even more
so. Hell urine recycle is bound to be more efficient.
>
> The village had their own temperature. Winter didn't matter as the
> equipment was within the village who was always in the upper 70s.
Well, I calculated for 25c which is 77f. But again, 9.5 gallons of
water per person in the air, which you wouldn't do because of that 2%
pressure loss and how would you live in 0% humidity. You could
extract 1 gal per person per day, but at a 9:1 fuel ratio using an
efficient fuel, this is foolish. Pipes are a better means of
delivering water, which you'll have to use pumps as you only have 20
feet to work with, at best. Tap pressure is 100 head feet IIRC.
> The entire village existed. I saw it. I was in it. It was very clean,
> and the air felt very good, easy to breath. People didn't age and
> didn't get sick and old in it. Period.
> I know it because I saw it. The orgs should build such villages for
> Scientologists. The U.S. government should build such villages instead
> of wasting Billions of Dollars for health care.
I'm going to presume it's 10x more costly to build underground, and
10x more costly to build at 100f under water.
I'm going to use the biosphere 2 model for contrast. and a population
of 300 million people
Space required = 94 million acres or 4% the size of the US
Density 1 person per .31 acres
Cost 2 billion per person or 600 quadrillion dollars.
And this is pretty conservative. Actual costs would likely be much
higher, we would have to use geothermal or nuclear power, and have a
huge supporting industry outside the underwater biosphere, to at the
very least produce lightbulbs so we could grow plants. Oh and strict
birth control, as if you actually are tripling your lifespan, well....
you can't have too many babies as anything beyond two children per
family, well, that's another 2 billion per.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> How bout when he asked who built it and she replied
>
> the constructors?
>
> aw, god, I've missed this. It went past being sad and into being
> funny again.
I just thought it was rather rude. It's a very legit question since
in order to build what is basically an independent "MOBILE" biosphere
underwater would require, well, technology beyond what we have today.
We can do nuclear subs, with about 100 men and stock them with 3
months worth of food. That's pretty high tech.
While I'd buy that it's possible for some bits of technology to be
anachronisic, what we are talking about middle space age technology,
as in ready for colonization. I would be interested to know who
centuries ago were advanced enough to build a their own biodome out of
wood.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
I haven't measured it. It was huge, probably the surface of Monte
Carlo. But no skyscrapers. Cabin style houses.
> What power source is used to move it?
Lol. The people used their both legs to move in, Peter. Both legs at
once, step by step. It is not that hard. I tried it.
Barbara Schwarz
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Nuclear power plants are stupid. They can leak and then you and others
die.
> or if
> each of the generators barbara s. talks
I can't remember that part very detailed. It could have been
individual generators for each home or alternatively a large power
source.
Could be also both.
>about were actually little
> nuclear reactors (ala Back to the Future) then the village could
> convert sea water into both air and water.
What is wrong with creating new water. Why do you want constantly
water in which billions of germs laid already their eggs?
What is so attractive about old stuff?
You can kill many of them but if just a few of them are left, they
could cause illness and lead to death.
Why gambling with life? Make new fresh water! Never used before!
> This would require a
> variety of skilled technicians for the reactor(s) (teams of reactor
> operators, electrical operators, and mechanical operators) as well as
> specialists for the desalinization and air production systems.
If I would have the money, I would build the village with the tools
that were available in the 17th Century, in other words, drawing the
blueprint and asking the
Indians to give he a hand building it. I think they and Jewish people
were around when the village was originally constructed and the
Mormons moved in later, when it was ready and under water. It was
built then by Ron in a past life, 17th Century Scientologists, Jews
and Indians. No wonder that this village is so fascinating. :)
>
> While all these technologies are currently in use by the US Navy
> today, neither these technologies nor the training required to operate
> and maintain them existed in the era's spoken of by Barbara in
> relation to her GSL underwater village.
The US Navy doesn't build civilian villages under water. They build
warships or surveillance submarines in which they crowd a few
soldiers.
>
> This thread has been fascinating reading so far.
It is not all. I remember that the village was built with plateaus. It
was not flat as you can have more space when you build steps inside.
The steps were all around the village and people grew fruits and
vegetables on the different there. And the pollution-free train was
reaching the different levels of the village. I remember that I stood
in one corner of the village, rather high up and looked over it. I
could see the market place in the middle, small and cute cabins and
the glass ceiling on top supported by wood and the train in the
distance. Our house had a swimming pool.
> It is interesting to
> see a demonstration of the effect of Hubbard's policy that an auditor
> never invalidate the "data" received from their PC.
Man! Ron wanted this kind of healthy and clean living for any
Scientologist and other person on Earth.
Spiritual survival is most important but you got to protect your body
and having short lives is not recommendable as the p$ychs trap
thetans, steal their abilities and memories, implant or forever
destroy them. It is serious.
>Barbara could
> make a fortune if she would write these daydreams and halucinations...
There you see. If they would be dreams and hallucinations (write the
word correctly, next time) , they would be no good.
It is so good as it exists and I was there, and it was once a part of
Scientology before the infiltrators stole the data.
> er.. "recovered memories" down and sell them as fiction, or better yet
> movie scripts! Its at least as good as L. Ron's later SciFi. It's
> kind of like "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" meets Will Smith's "Wild
> Wild West" with a few of the Nazi's from "Raider's of the Lost Ark"
> thrown in for good measure. Make the star (4 year old Barbara) a
> couple years older and she could even steal the "Golden Compass" fan
> base and clean up at the box office.
It would be a documentary not a movie, because I was in that village.
I know most details about it.
The people were kind and friendly. They were very proud of their
products. They planted, they grew, they were carpenters, handymen,
artists...
They made everything from their own clothes, shoes, houses, food,
cosmetics, medicine, books, anything.
They even had their own currency.
They had no dust in the village. The water running over it kept micro
dust out. It was beautiful clean. There were no dogs in the village. I
remember a number of
Indians making their own medicine. Scientologists, Jews, Indians, and
others living peacefully together, staying young, beautiful, and
strong.
There is where Scientologists should go Clear and OT.
>
> What do ya think Barbara? Wanna go for it?
For what? I am looking for the village. Anyway, if I would be still in
the orgs, I would use Sea Org money rather to build villages like that
for the Scientologists than other buildings. I would decline a multi-
million Dollar villa for a little place in this submarine village.
Yes, it is that good!
> If it works all I ask for
> in compensation for the idea is that you get me a nice translucent
> green Mk VII Hubbard Electropsychometer so Anonymous and I can start
> auditing each other at our pickets :-)
If the orgs would be in submarine villages, the Anonymous would get
wet feet picketing.
Anyway, you guys really don't know L. Ron Hubbard. He would also allow
Anonymous to live in clean submarine village.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:56:47 -0700 (PDT), BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> >Besides of finding creating the map for
> >spiritual immortality, he also build places for physical immorality.
>
>
> So good to see you starting to connect with reality.
Too bad that you don't connect with reality and still think you are
me....
>
> Some of the time the truth does leak out.....
>
> Good to know that Hubbard "also build places for physical immorality."
That is true.
>
> Would that be places like "Social Clubs" and "Speakeasys"?
No, submarine villages in which all people stay young and healthy.
>
> Or maybe it was simply places where one could rent the room by the hour?
Guess that is where you live.
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
That is not a good deal. A good character and the willingness to be
good to anybody should guarantee anybody a place in physical
immortalilty village.
When you picket the orgs again, throw away the pickets "Scientology
kills". Put rather on your pickets: "Dear Scientology executives,
please build us villages in which we can preserve youth and health,
please! Such a village as Barbara Schwarz recalls. We want to move it
too, and we swear, we never do anything rotten to Scientologists, if
you don't leave us out!
Barbara Schwarz
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> >about were actually little
> > nuclear reactors (ala Back to the Future) then the village could
> > convert sea water into both air and water.
>
> What is wrong with creating new water. Why do you want constantly
> water in which billions of germs laid already their eggs?
> What is so attractive about old stuff?
> You can kill many of them but if just a few of them are left, they
> could cause illness and lead to death.
> Why gambling with life? Make new fresh water! Never used before!
You can't make water, well, you "could" using nuclear fusion. It
happens the sun all the time. But the question is where are you going
to get your hydrogen from? The closest source is well, water. So you
can take electrisity and break apart the h2o molecules, then fuse some
hydrogens together to make an oxygen, and then extra two more
hydrogen though electrolysis, and and you have water again Fusion
produces a ton of radiation, and takes a stellar amount of power.
Even in today's technology, though you get a ton of energy out, you
gotta put a ton of energy in, in fact more in that out.
But you stated they don't use nuclear power, so they are not making
water.
>
> If I would have the money, I would build the village with the tools
> that were available in the 17th Century, in other words, drawing the
> blueprint and asking the
> Indians to give he a hand building it. I think they and Jewish people
> were around when the village was originally constructed and the
> Mormons moved in later, when it was ready and under water. It was
> built then by Ron in a past life, 17th Century Scientologists, Jews
> and Indians. No wonder that this village is so fascinating. :)
Well, the most advanced 17century technology we know about is the
following
1608 - Telescope (Hans Lippershey)
1620 - First submarine (Cornelius Jacobszoon Drebbel) - note a bell
attached to a boat, submarined about 15 feet with a huge snorkel
1624 - Side rule ( William Oughtred)
1625 - Blood transfusion (Jean-Baptiste Denys)
1629 - Steam turbine (Giovanni Branca)
1636 - micrometer (W. Gascoigne)
1642 - Adding machine (Blaise Pascal)
1643 - Barometer - (Evangelista Torricelli)
1650 - Air Pump (Otto von Guericke)
1656 - pendulum clock. (Christian Huygens)
1660 - Cukoo clock
1663 - Reflecting telescope (James Gregory)
1668 - ' ' (Issac Newton)
1670 - Champagne (Dom Pérignon)
1671 - Calculating machine (Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz)
1675 - Pocket watch (Christian Huygens)
1676 - Universal joint (Robert Hooke)
1679 - Pressure cooker (Denis Papin)
1698 - Steam Pump (Thomas Savery)
All of the above was high tech and new.
.
>
> The US Navy doesn't build civilian villages under water. They build
> warships or surveillance submarines in which they crowd a few
> soldiers.
The "crowd" 100 men there and abouts.... and keep them underwater for
up to 3 months at a time. This is NO small potatoes. In fact, this
is remarkable.
> It is not all. I remember that the village was built with plateaus. It
> was not flat as you can have more space when you build steps inside.
> The steps were all around the village and people grew fruits and
> vegetables on the different there.
Dwarf trees. The deepest part of the lake is 35feet, there is a large
segment in the basin about 30feet. You wouldn't really need steps.
> And the pollution-free train was
How, what was it's power source?
> reaching the different levels of the village.
The underwater village can't be taller than about 30 feet... or else
it wouldn't be underwater. You might be able to do two 10 foot but
beyond that you run out of water.
> I remember that I stood
> in one corner of the village, rather high up and looked over it. I
> could see the market place in the middle, small and cute cabins and
> the glass ceiling on top supported by wood and the train in the
> distance. Our house had a swimming pool.
Ok, how the hell could you have swimming pools? They would have to be
above ground because, well, it's a submarine. You have the floor, I
presume beams, and then the wall, beyond that is water. You
understand that pools add so much weight, and where does all this
water come from? You can't just make it, you can't extract that much
from the air.
> It would be a documentary not a movie, because I was in that village.
> I know most details about it.
> The people were kind and friendly. They were very proud of their
> products. They planted, they grew, they were carpenters, handymen,
> artists...
> They made everything from their own clothes, shoes, houses, food,
> cosmetics, medicine, books, anything.
> They even had their own currency.
Where did the raw materials come from for all this?
> They had no dust in the village.
Not possible. Humans shed skin, people make dust. Also if you had
trees, you had pollen, and dirt.
> The water running over it kept micro
> dust out.
Water curtains are effective to remove contamination, but where does
all this water come from, where does it go. Is it recycled?
> It was beautiful clean. There were no dogs in the village. I
> remember a number of
> Indians making their own medicine.
From what?
> Scientologists, Jews, Indians, and
> others living peacefully together, staying young, beautiful, and
> strong.
How many. Also keep in mind that Scientology was a 20century
invention. It wasn't around until LRH invented it.
Askren
> You can't make water, well, you "could" using nuclear fusion. It
> happens the sun all the time. But the question is where are you going
> to get your hydrogen from? The closest source is well, water. So you
> can take electrisity and break apart the h2o molecules, then fuse some
> hydrogens together to make an oxygen, and then extra two more
> hydrogen though electrolysis, and and you have water again Fusion
> produces a ton of radiation, and takes a stellar amount of power.
> Even in today's technology, though you get a ton of energy out, you
> gotta put a ton of energy in, in fact more in that out.
Water isn't produced in the sun, helium is. If you break apart a water
molecule, you're overcoming the atomic forces binding the two (or 3)
atoms together, which would take a tremendous amount of energy. Once
done, you produce enough energy from the breaking of those atomic
bonds to power an entire city block for about 45 minutes.
Unfortunately, the only way of doing it is to slam the molecule at
near light speed into a neutral, dense atom. This not only requires a
particle accelerator (like the 1/4 mile-diameter one in Fermi Lab),
but insanely powerful electromagnetic fields to contain the energy and
atoms in space. If the field leaks in the splitting process, the
entire building would melt down.
Besides the fact that we barely have the technology to do this now,
such concepts weren't even considered before the 80s.
Also, something I find funny about this thread, and Barbara in
general:
"I think they and Jewish people
were around when the village was originally constructed and the
Mormons moved in later, when it was ready and under water. It was
built then by Ron in a past life, 17th Century Scientologists, Jews
and Indians. No wonder that this village is so fascinating. :) "
Now, reading this passage, we see Barbara talking about her village,
saying she THINKS Jews were around to help the Indians build, and the
Mormons later. Ok, let's hold off on mocking this logic for a bit and
examine this a bit further. She THINKS there MIGHT have been Jews to
help Indians build it. Later, Mormons and Scientologists moved in
(this WOULD imply people moved in after the 50s, but she luckily
throws in a "17th century Scientologists". Proof that it existed
before the 50s, plox?).
HOWEVER:
"Indians making their own medicine. Scientologists, Jews, Indians, and
others living peacefully together, staying young, beautiful, and
strong. "
By this paragraph, later in the same post, she is now convinced that
all of these people, from different areas of the globe, existed
together, for a fact. So right here, she has invented an idea, and
convinced herself of it by repetition. This is why she is convinced
that the 'village' not only existed, but had completely MODERN
amenities in the 17th century, like pools and golf courses (and of
course, generators). Also that Hubbard built it. Lulz.
Now, if she spent so much time looking for it, she would have found it
by now. The Great Salt Lake is fairly large, but sonar would pick
something this size up in a second. In fact, a quick check of Google's
satellite map shows over half the lake's floor is visible from space,
so it's obviously not there. Assuming the 'village' moves only in the
area that is too dark to be picked up by satellite, one could do a
sonar sweep of this area in under a day.
Also, the fact that Barbara claims the Lake is too salty to swim
underwater, and that she COULD NOT LIFT a rock BIG ENOUGH to make her
sink, indicates that not only has she never even seen the lake, but
that she doesn't understand how salt water works at all. The Dead Sea
in the middle east is saltier than the GSL, to the point where one can
float on his or her back with no effort. That doesn't mean you can't
swim in it.
That said, when she mentions "Indians", is she referring to Native
Americans, or people from India? Also, does 'Jews' refer to the Jewish
population that immigrated to the East Coast from Europe, or people
from the middle east? And who were the 'Scientologists' in the 17th
century? Since Scientology 'has no dogma' and is 'compatible' with
every religion, couldn't they all be Scientologists?
Ok, </humor>
This thread is full of batshit insane ex-Scientologist ranting and I
love every word of it.
BarryPepper
news:08a6749a-8612-4d38...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> This thread is full of batshit insane ex-Scientologist ranting and I
> love every word of it.
At least it has a certain poetry in it :-) Not just the thought of an
utopian society living the perfect eternal life under the light of a glass
ceiling, but also the fact that Barbara is so utterly convinced that such an
improbable thing actually exists. It does not seem very dangerous a belief,
though, thus the poetry. That's the whole of it that makes it just
incredibly amazing, and it unfolds right here before our very eyes...
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> > You can't make water, well, you "could" using nuclear fusion. It
> > happens the sun all the time. But the question is where are you going
> > to get your hydrogen from? The closest source is well, water. So you
> > can take electrisity and break apart the h2o molecules, then fuse some
> > hydrogens together to make an oxygen, and then extra two more
> > hydrogen though electrolysis, and and you have water again Fusion
> > produces a ton of radiation, and takes a stellar amount of power.
> > Even in today's technology, though you get a ton of energy out, you
> > gotta put a ton of energy in, in fact more in that out.
>
> Water isn't produced in the sun, helium is. If you break apart a water
> molecule, you're overcoming the atomic forces binding the two (or 3)
> atoms together, which would take a tremendous amount of energy. Once
> done, you produce enough energy from the breaking of those atomic
> bonds to power an entire city block for about 45 minutes.
Well water certainly isn't produced in a star... However I thought
lighter elements including oxygen was produced in medium sized stars.
Helium to carbon, nitrogen and oxygen... and more massive stars 8
solar masses and above can crank out elements like silicon and iron.
However I'm willing to be wrong on this issue. I am not wrong on the
fact that you need a stellar environment to build heavier elements
like oxygen from lighter ones.
[CNO cycle]
Well looks like I'm wrong. According to wikipedia you need something
more massive than our star. Funny, I would have sworn that the CNO
cycle happens in stars between 1 and 8 solar masses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle
I should have been more clear that I was talking about oxygen... drop
a trivial word and look like an idiot.
The idea was use fusion of hydrogen you got from water to make oxygen,
then in turn add a couple of hydrogens and get water again. A process
that's bound to use insane amounts of energy.
> Unfortunately, the only way of doing it is to slam the molecule at
> near light speed into a neutral, dense atom. This not only requires a
> particle accelerator (like the 1/4 mile-diameter one in Fermi Lab),
> but insanely powerful electromagnetic fields to contain the energy and
> atoms in space. If the field leaks in the splitting process, the
> entire building would melt down.
Yes, I neglected to include a super collider, magnetic confinement
fusion, or laser based fusion.
Also, light element fusion I believe is on the order of 10's of MeV
per unit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeV#As_a_measurement_of_mass
"2.75×10-12 joule or 17.6 MeV - total energy released in fusion of
Deuterium and Tritium to form Helium-4 (also on average); this is 0.41
PJ/kg of product produced"
But needless to say, it's impractical to fuse hydrogen to make helium,
then carbon, than oxygen where there is a ton of water outside.
BarryPepper
news:9b7b85cd-60cb-4530...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 6:50 pm, "BarryPepper" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote in
>> messagenews:5cf866f2-8784-43e7...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> And you are of course not the real Barry Pepper...
You know what, not only is that true, I also now realize that I am not the
one I thought to be. I thought to be that hero of Battlefield Earth but I
was not aware that Barry Pepper is a real name for a real actor. I thought
that was the name of that hero in that film... The hero in question is in
fact called Jonnie Goodboy Tyler, so am now going to change my nick for that
one.
You are at least right on that one, Barbara, and thanks for getting my
attention on it. For a while I thought you were referring to the fictional
character, until I realized you were referring to a real actor in the real
life.
That's a bad omen. Maybe your village we think is imaginary is real too. But
you know, nobody would be disappointed if it really existed, only it would
be the most stupendous discovery of Humanity. Even now there still are
tribes in the Amazon that have no idea what modern civilization is, but a
submarine village where people never age... That would be a hoot!
That's why we all think it's all in your imagination, even if, I for one, do
like the poetry of it. I think that four years old girls can have a vivid
imagination. It's very charming of course but it still is just imagination.
You probably were taken from some place against your will at the age of
four, and to compensate for that trauma you build up a whole imaginary world
of what it was. That's my theory.
Have you ever thought about writing a book? Submarine village, Secret German
psych... That could be another Harry Potter.
You know, that author of Harry Potter has it very easy to write. She only
writes what she "sees". All she has to do is to transcribe what she sees.
Maybe you could try that too. At least it would provide you, if successful,
with the funds necessary for filing thousands of FOI requests - a real
paradise!
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Also, the fact that Barbara claims the Lake is too salty to swim
> underwater, and that she COULD NOT LIFT a rock BIG ENOUGH to make her
> sink, indicates that not only has she never even seen the lake, but
> that she doesn't understand how salt water works at all. The Dead Sea
> in the middle east is saltier than the GSL, to the point where one can
> float on his or her back with no effort. That doesn't mean you can't
> swim in it.
She lives in that area.... or at least did. He did surf from the SLC
library and posted here, well, until too many people complained about
her 60 line signature file being SPAM. However she does strike me as
being germaphobic, and might not want to swim with the brine shrimp
and the brine flies.
> That said, when she mentions "Indians", is she referring to Native
> Americans, or people from India? Also, does 'Jews' refer to the Jewish
> population that immigrated to the East Coast from Europe, or people
> from the middle east? And who were the 'Scientologists' in the 17th
> century? Since Scientology 'has no dogma' and is 'compatible' with
> every religion, couldn't they all be Scientologists?
I wrote something earlier I think Google groups ate
This was in reference to her looking for newspapers in that area
-----
1600? You know the Mormons didn't hit that area until well into the
first half of the 19th century don't you? Hell, America was hardly
colonized by that point, and the Mormon church was started in the 19th
century. News papers? The Escalante-Dominguez party visted the area
in 1776. (Francisco Atanasio Domínguez a Franciscan missionary,
Silvestre Vélez de Escalante cartographer) They didn't note any
newspapers... and odds are they were the first white men in that
area. From an American Perspective you have the Lewis and Clark
expedition that went through the Dakotas 1805 or so. Utah wasn't made
a part of the union until the later part of the 19th.
-----
Now any colony in the 17th century would be doing pretty well setting
up a a coastal community, finding food and potable water, building a
fort, and not pissing off the natives. But the GSL is a good 250miles
from the Colorado river, and a good 700 miles as the crow flies from
the Gulf of California. This is after a good 15,000 miles sailing
from Europe around the cape to the Gulf of California. A straight
shot from lake Powell to the Great Salt Lake would require one to
transverse some pretty serious mountains and pass by Yuba Lake, which
is a good deal deeper than the GSL.
But somehow a group of Hebrews made the crossing long before there
were any real surveys done, and rather than settle somewhere on the
east coast of the Americas, like Mexico or South America, they went
for 15,000 by sea, 700+ by river, and 250miles by land. That's
presuming they even left from England and not some place like Poland
or Russia... and Russia we know didn't make it to Alaska until 1732.
zo...@yahoo.com
Hey, liked you in "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada".
GoodBoyTyler
news:320a8d1c-1659-499d...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 9, 6:48 pm, "BarryPepper" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> There you have is : is-land. Want any more proof?
Hey, liked you in "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada".
============
I feel honored but, as Barbara Schwarz made me "cognite" I am not the real
Barry Pepper, which is why I now changed my nick to a fictional character he
played. But thanks anyway, that was my two minutes of fame, haha :-)
GoodBoyTyler
news:k13t44hbiepe25s09...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT), BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> wrote in
> a message tagged
> <fd56b141-92ca-497d...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>> Good to know that Hubbard "also build places for physical immorality."
>>
>>That is true.
>
>
> This might be the most honest post you have ever made. Including the post
> where
> you admitted that you are a convicted criminal.
>
> You have said twice that Hubbard "build places of physical immorality."
> Focus
> in on the word "IMMORALITY".
LOL - didn't catch this one... That's GOOD ;-)
Askren
balls of hydrogen, (hydrogen is the base element of the universe,
consisting of only one proton and one electron) and over time,
gravity causes the gas to clump together, drawing more gas in on
itself. After enough of this, there is enough pressure on the center
of the cloud (and pressure = heat), that nuclear fusion occurs. The
fusion of the first hydrogen - hydrogen atoms is what causes the ball
of gas to ignite, sending the temperature even higher and causing the
fusion reactions to set themselves off in a self-perpetuating chain
reaction. Nothing else is produced in the star, since helium is an
inert (noble) gas and does not naturally react with anything else in
the universe. When stars die by running out of fuel, they either burn
out and become a brown dwarf, or explode in a supernova. The exploding
of a star send the molecules flying at such a high rate of speed that
they can collide with each other with enough force to trigger a fusion
reaction, and produce the heavier elements (anything beyond helium).
This is where all the molecules of other elements come from.
That said, water is not an easy thing to produce. In fact, it's one of
the hardest, as forming involves having not one, but TWO hydrogen
molecules overcome the magnetic repulsive forces and bond with the
oxygen molecule.
Our sun is actually tiny on the solar scale, and won't do anything in
the way of producing new material for building life when it dies,
because it is too small to explode.
That said, it really doesn't matter what you're referring to, atomic
fusion on earth (using man-made devices) is only possible in single-
atom cases, and to do so requires so much energy that to actually use
atomic fusion to produce enough water to fill even a single cup, you'd
shut down the entire eastern seaboard, if not more.
But anyway, enough talk of nuclear reactions. Back to the insanity.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Oxygen is not a lighter element. Stars use begin as huge swirling
> balls of hydrogen, (hydrogen is the base element of the universe,
> consisting of only one proton and one electron) and over time,
> gravity causes the gas to clump together, drawing more gas in on
> itself. After enough of this, there is enough pressure on the center
> of the cloud (and pressure = heat), that nuclear fusion occurs. The
> fusion of the first hydrogen - hydrogen atoms is what causes the ball
> of gas to ignite, sending the temperature even higher and causing the
> fusion reactions to set themselves off in a self-perpetuating chain
> reaction. Nothing else is produced in the star, since helium is an
> inert (noble) gas and does not naturally react with anything else in
> the universe. When stars die by running out of fuel, they either burn
> out and become a brown dwarf, or explode in a supernova. The exploding
> of a star send the molecules flying at such a high rate of speed that
> they can collide with each other with enough force to trigger a fusion
> reaction, and produce the heavier elements (anything beyond helium).
> This is where all the molecules of other elements come from.
>
> That said, water is not an easy thing to produce. In fact, it's one of
> the hardest, as forming involves having not one, but TWO hydrogen
> molecules overcome the magnetic repulsive forces and bond with the
> oxygen molecule.
Ummmm
PP cycle
CNO cycle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle
OF cycle
S-process
This being said, the lighter elements.... Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen...
up to Iron. I'm happy to be wrong about our star and the CNO cycle,
esp since the CNO cycle happens in stars between 1 solar mass, and 8
solar masses.
In stars 8 solar masses and above (not sure the exact size), they can
up to iron, were when it reaches about 1.44 solar mases of iron the
core fuses to a state of neutronium. As nothing is reacting at the
core any more, the lighter elements fall inwards, bounce back, and the
star's mantel is ejected and here the HEAVIER elements, as in ones
heavier than iron, are formed. The remainder is a what's known as a
Neutron star. In even larger stars, about 20-30+ solar masses, they
can form black holes according to current theory.
Other massive stars have silicon cores between 8-11 solar masses. I'm
not sure about oxygen, neon, magnesium core stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_burning_process
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Ib_supernova
To be clear, the upper limit in fusion in stars would seem to be
iron.
Helium is a noble gas, but that has nothing to do with nuclear
fusion. That being said, you "can" with alot of bother and effort get
a noble element to bond with something else for short periods. What
you need to do is provide enough positive charge to free the
electrons, then introduce a negatively charged element. The noble
element will then form a chemical bond satisfying the shell quota...
but then break away leaving you with a neutral noble element and a
positive ions. We have charged helium, we do have helium ion
beams.
This being said, the most common elements in the universe are
Hydrogen
Helium
Oxygen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elements#Abundance_of_elements_in_the_Universe
H - 739,000 ppm
He - 240,000 ppm
O - 10,700 ppm
C - 4,600 ppm
It would stand to reason the most common compounds in the universe
would be molecular hydrogen (h2), molecular oxygen (o2) and water
(h2o). Water is trivial to produce. First you need a source of
hydrogen and oxygen, which you can get from water.
1) Fill a glass with water, add salt or lye (red devil drain opener)
2) Take two electrodes (pencil leads work well) , and two beakers,
two jumper cables, and a DC power sources. A car battery charger
works well, so does a 9v cell.
3) Insert beakers into the solution, filling the beakers with the
solution, insert electrodes partially into beakers, attach small
jumper cables to electrodes.
4) Add power. The bond between oxygen and hydrogen will be
broken, and hydrogen will be attracted to the negative pole, oxygen
the positive.
WARNING... if you have too salty a solution, you're going to break the
NaCl bonds. Sodium is a solid, which in water looks green. Chlorine
is a gas, and is toxic.
Now you have Hydrogen and Oxygen in beakers, it's trivial easy to get
them to bond and make water. just mix the two gases, a small spark
and POOF. Explosion which would likely shatter the beakers. The
resulting product is water. In fact, mixing hydrogen with the ambient
air smark, and POOF, you just made water.
Hydrogen is SO very reactive it's not funny. It's so easy to burn you
can use it as a fuel source for your car. Some people do, though it's
rare. It's not presently practical because it's a gas, you have to
store it in pressurized tanks, and it takes a decent amount of energy
to break apart water to make it, in fact about 33kWh per gallon of gas
plus pressurization and tanks. Up until recently, gas was universally
cheaper. Now... 12c per kWh is likely the cut off point not including
pressurizing the tanks, the tanks, and the equipment needed to
pressurize the tanks. Even using renewable resources like wind power,
it still costs dollars to produce plus transport. Gasoline is a
liquid at room temperature, so is diesel. It's far easier to
transport, and a good amount of potential energy per volume and,
despite the obvious gas price, costs cents to produce.
But my point in the first place was you "could" make your own water
from molecular hydrogen and oxygen. That's not a freaking problem.
Hydrogen is VERY reactive, and oxygen is VERY reactive. It's getting
Hydrogen that's the problem as it's not common in it's molecular state
as
1) it's so light reaching escape velocity is trivial
2) it's so reactive it'll bond with something, most likely oxygen.
The easiest way to get it is to use electricity, and you would be
converting water, to hydrogen and oxygen, back to water. You would
only bother if you needed to store energy you produced for another
purpose, like if you wanted to build a rocket to go into space.
Respectfully, you are confusing chemistry with nucleosynthesis, where
I was was thinking the CNO cycle happens in stars with a solar mass of
1, where I believe it's in stars with a solar mass of 1-8.
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno.html
> Our sun is actually tiny on the solar scale, and won't do anything in
> the way of producing new material for building life when it dies,
> because it is too small to explode.
On a solar scale, our sun is a medium sized star. We use it as a
point of reference for solar masses, where sol is 1 solar mass.
Our sun is too small to supernova. That's for sure.
Whether our sun will nova, I'm not sure. A nova is simply the
ejection of the outer layers, I know this can happen if a companion
star takes away some mass from the daughter star, and there is no
longer enough mass to support it self. Stellar winds also can reduce
a star's mass. Whether our sun will nova, or just expand out to a
red giant than shrink to a dwarf, I'm not sure. I'd have to review
this subject.
I don't claim to be an expert in the above field.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> the hardest, as forming involves having not one, but TWO hydrogen
> molecules overcome the magnetic repulsive forces and bond with the
> oxygen molecule.
I made a longer post thought thought I'd address this one in more
brevity.
On the chemical level, overcoming magnetic repulsive forces doesn't
enter into the equation.
Hydrogen ((-1)+1) has one electron, where it's shell can support to.
It happy to bond with it self to form H2, where two hydrogen atoms are
sharing two electrons.
Oxygen (-2) has 8 electrons, two in it's inner shell, 6 in it's outer
shell. It can support 8. It's MORE than happy to bond with H2 which
has two electrons shared between them. This is known as a covalent
bond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covalent_bond
Bonding hydrogen to Oxygen is wicked easy. You can do it in a lab,
you can do it outside a lab, it does it in nature, it does it
everywhere. See the space shuttle? That big liquid fuel booster?
It's burning Hydrogen with Oxygen and making water.
There are few things more happy to bond than hydrogen and oxygen. I
think carbon((+2)+4) is the most promiscuous element to bond, which is
rather why they use it to base the periodic chart off of. In the past
they used Hydrogen as having a valiance of +1(-1) it'll bond to most
anything under the sun. Oxygen was even more friendly, and carbon,
carbon even more so. Carbon will form single, double, or triple
covalent bonds. But hydrogen and oxygen, they are pretty damn
friendly.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 7:22 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
> > >about were actually little
> > > nuclear reactors (ala Back to the Future) then the village could
> > > convert sea water into both air and water.
>
> > What is wrong with creating new water. Why do you want constantly
> > water in which billions of germs laid already their eggs?
> > What is so attractive about old stuff?
> > You can kill many of them but if just a few of them are left, they
> > could cause illness and lead to death.
> > Why gambling with life? Make new fresh water! Never used before!
>
> You can't make water, well, you "could" using nuclear fusion.
I am glad that you admitted that you are not a scientist.
Years ago, I did research on that subject and corresponded with
scientists. I knew already that water can be made from scratch, and
they confirmed it.
They said that one needs a little lab to do it. I know, one can make
water by cooling a tank, till there is ice, and then melting it,
There might be also other possibilities.
> It
> happens the sun all the time. But the question is where are you going
> to get your hydrogen from? The closest source is well, water. So you
> can take electrisity and break apart the h2o molecules, then fuse some
> hydrogens together to make an oxygen, and then extra two more
> hydrogen though electrolysis, and and you have water again Fusion
> produces a ton of radiation, and takes a stellar amount of power.
> Even in today's technology, though you get a ton of energy out, you
> gotta put a ton of energy in, in fact more in that out.
I don't need it, as I can make water without your cold fusion.
>
> But you stated they don't use nuclear power, so they are not making
> water.
It is so easy to make water and you want a make a nuclear power
station.
That will never get in my village. You better put that in your
mountain village.
Some inventions did not become known. Just as an example, If Indians
invented something, do you believe they wrote it down and registered
it?
The village was not invented by Indians but as I wrote, the
technologies that they are using is suppressed by the German secret
service and that is why you don't know them.
>
> All of the above was high tech and new.
>
> .
>
>
>
> > The US Navy doesn't build civilian villages under water. They build
> > warships or surveillance submarines in which they crowd a few
> > soldiers.
>
> The "crowd" 100 men there and abouts.... and keep them underwater for
> up to 3 months at a time. This is NO small potatoes. In fact, this
> is remarkable.
The submarine village is a lot more remarkable.
> > It is not all. I remember that the village was built with plateaus. It
> > was not flat as you can have more space when you build steps inside.
> > The steps were all around the village and people grew fruits and
> > vegetables on the different there.
>
> Dwarf trees. The deepest part of the lake is 35feet, there is a large
> segment in the basin about 30feet. You wouldn't really need steps.
The biggest trees were in the middle, the bushes were on the plateaus.
The trees were not three miles but staying young and healthy is more
important than getting a stiff neck from looking up high trees.
>
> > And the pollution-free train was
>
> How, what was it's power source?
Didn't we discuss that already? I don't remember it exactly. I know
that is was quiet and that it had no smoke.
>
> > reaching the different levels of the village.
>
> The underwater village can't be taller than about 30 feet... or else
> it wouldn't be underwater. You might be able to do two 10 foot but
> beyond that you run out of water.
And, the problem is? The largest NLF player would still fit into it
without bumping his head. Marty is over 6 foot. He lived in the
village and loved it.
>
> > I remember that I stood
> > in one corner of the village, rather high up and looked over it. I
> > could see the market place in the middle, small and cute cabins and
> > the glass ceiling on top supported by wood and the train in the
> > distance. Our house had a swimming pool.
>
> Ok, how the hell could you have swimming pools?
Pools? We had one, others likely too.
> They would have to be
> above ground because, well, it's a submarine. You have the floor, I
> presume beams, and then the wall, beyond that is water. You
> understand that pools add so much weight, and where does all this
> water come from? You can't just make it, you can't extract that much
> from the air.
It carried a train. If a train can drive in it, the swimming pool does
not make it sink.
Lol!
Water is easy to make. Once you have a water maker, you can fill not
just your glass but also your pool. If you can make drop, you can make
thousands.
>
> > It would be a documentary not a movie, because I was in that village.
> > I know most details about it.
> > The people were kind and friendly. They were very proud of their
> > products. They planted, they grew, they were carpenters, handymen,
> > artists...
> > They made everything from their own clothes, shoes, houses, food,
> > cosmetics, medicine, books, anything.
> > They even had their own currency.
>
> Where did the raw materials come from for all this?
They grew plants and trees. You can make just about anything from
nature.
They had no animals in the village, except some goldfishs.
>
> > They had no dust in the village.
>
> Not possible. Humans shed skin, people make dust. Also if you had
> trees, you had pollen, and dirt.
You don't know life except that on the surface. That is why you can't
imagine how it is in the village. A human makes only dust if he lives
in a dusty world.
The air is a tiny moist in the village, it is not like outside in Utah
where everything is dusty.
>
> > The water running over it kept micro
> > dust out.
>
> Water curtains are effective to remove contamination, but where does
> all this water come from, where does it go. Is it recycled?
The water that runs over the village is the water from the GSL.
Theoretically, you could build such a village also outside of a lake
but you should have run water over it, to keep the microdust away.
Guess you can do it with recycled water.
>
> > It was beautiful clean. There were no dogs in the village. I
> > remember a number of
> > Indians making their own medicine.
>
> From what?
From plants and trees.
>
> > Scientologists, Jews, Indians, and
> > others living peacefully together, staying young, beautiful, and
> > strong.
>
> How many. Also keep in mind that Scientology was a 20century
> invention. It wasn't around until LRH invented it.
That is what you think.
Barbara Schwarz
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Any anti-religious extremist and Anonymous who is pro Paul Horner
should share a prison cell with him.
Barbara Schwarz
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> >
Your mind really discovers nothing. If I would have a mind like yours,
it would be the end of the world.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> "Askren" <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I know where I was. If you don't know where you were, that is a reason
to worry.
You know that living on the surface of the earth makes people old,
right? You don't know anybody who lives not on the surface on the
Earth away from all what makes old and sick. But I have seen people
who were very very old by numerical age and very young from the
outside.
Askren
and more, the more she tries to explain shit?
There is so much illogical ranting in her posts I can't even try and
point it all out. All I can think of while reading it is some insane
jester-character laughing out loud at their own babbling nonsense.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> <BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9b7b85cd-60cb-4530...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jun 8, 6:50 pm, "BarryPepper" <BarryPep...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote in
> >> messagenews:5cf866f2-8784-43e7...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > And you are of course not the real Barry Pepper...
>
> You know what, not only is that true, I also now realize that I am not the
> one I thought to be. I thought to be that hero of Battlefield Earth but I
> was not aware that Barry Pepper is a real name for a real actor.
Yeah right, pull my leg, which will be hopefully soon again in the
submarine village.
<I thought
> that was the name of that hero in that film... The hero in question is in
> fact called Jonnie Goodboy Tyler, so am now going to change my nick for that
> one.
>
> You are at least right on that one, Barbara, and thanks for getting my
> attention on it. For a while I thought you were referring to the fictional
> character, until I realized you were referring to a real actor in the real
> life.
>
> That's a bad omen. Maybe your village we think is imaginary is real too.
It is, it is as real as your posting.
>But
> you know, nobody would be disappointed if it really existed, only it would
> be the most stupendous discovery of Humanity. Even now there still are
> tribes in the Amazon that have no idea what modern civilization is, but a
> submarine village where people never age... That would be a hoot!
Just strip away everything that ages and that makes sick. It is
basically easy.
It just needs money to build it. It is not your average single family
house.
>
> That's why we all think it's all in your imagination, even if, I for one, do
> like the poetry of it. I think that four years old girls can have a vivid
> imagination. It's very charming of course but it still is just imagination.
Imagination cannot make you to be able to draw a blueprint.
> You probably were taken from some place against your will at the age of
> four, and to compensate for that trauma you build up a whole imaginary world
> of what it was. That's my theory.
I was taken against my will AFTER age of 4 and there was no beautiful
village but lots of brutality, p$ychs, and yodel..
>
> Have you ever thought about writing a book? Submarine village, Secret German
> psych... That could be another Harry Potter.
I have to write a documentary about that village. It is no fiction.
>
> You know, that author of Harry Potter has it very easy to write. She only
> writes what she "sees". All she has to do is to transcribe what she sees.
> Maybe you could try that too. At least it would provide you, if successful,
> with the funds necessary for filing thousands of FOI requests - a real
> paradise!
Writing FOIA requests is no paradise or fun. I did it, because I
wanted the records,
Fun is being in the village and living in paradise.
Again, it does exist. I could build it from my memory, but the
existing village still exists, there was no mention in any paper that
such a village was destroyed.
It is there, in the lake. It welcomed all people as long they were non-
criminal and did not try to hurt others.
But it was mouth to mouth. They did not put ads in the paper.
redco...@gmail.com
Barb, you wasted untold amounts of American taxpayer money to satisfy
your insanity.
You should have been deported.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
<intergalacticexpandingpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 10, 12:37 am, Askren <huntermage1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Also, the fact that Barbara claims the Lake is too salty to swim
> > underwater, and that she COULD NOT LIFT a rock BIG ENOUGH to make her
> > sink, indicates that not only has she never even seen the lake, but
> > that she doesn't understand how salt water works at all. The Dead Sea
> > in the middle east is saltier than the GSL, to the point where one can
> > float on his or her back with no effort. That doesn't mean you can't
> > swim in it.
>
> She lives in that area.... or at least did. He did surf from the SLC
> library and posted here, well, until too many people complained about
> her 60 line signature file being SPAM. However she does strike me as
> being germaphobic, and might not want to swim with the brine shrimp
> and the brine flies.
GSL is still a lot cleaner than the average p$ych office, so, I sure
swam in it several times.
It is really funny as swimming means crawling on the surface of the
lake,
The flies are gone once you are in the deeper water. They are just at
the shore.
>
> > That said, when she mentions "Indians", is she referring to Native
> > Americans, or people from India?
American Indians are in Utah. Navajos for example or the Utes.
>> Also, does 'Jews' refer to the Jewish
> > population that immigrated to the East Coast from Europe, or people
> > from the middle east?
Jewish people from anywhere.
> > And who were the 'Scientologists' in the 17th
> > century? Since Scientology 'has no dogma' and is 'compatible' with
> > every religion, couldn't they all be Scientologists?
Lol. If you know L. Ron Hubbard, you know that he worked since ever on
Scientology. He was always a Scientologist, all the timetrack back.
And I was one too.
>
> I wrote something earlier I think Google groups ate
>
> This was in reference to her looking for newspapers in that area
> -----
> 1600? You know the Mormons didn't hit that area until well into the
> first half of the 19th century don't you?
The Mormons came when the village was already build.
The first white settlers in Utah were Jews.
It is a fact that Jews came to Utah long before Mormons did.
Barbara Schwarz
Askren
non-
criminal and did not try to hurt others."
As soon as you find it, I'm going to make it my job to see that it
gets raided and made into a tourist destination.
For the lulz.
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT), BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote in
> a message tagged
> <fd56b141-92ca-497d-9a96-f3645b6a6...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
Once I found the village or build a new one, Paul Horner, you are the
one who I will not be welcome.
I won't let you in.
You forge me and you cyber stalk me and defame me but I am the one who
needs a p$ych?
What makes you think that you are even remotely sane?
You are insane, stupid, corrupt, dumb and boring!
Now take a hike.
Barbara Schwarz
Have a look here:
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0029.html
http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0071.html
I am impostored and forged by a poster who uses the e-mail address
Barbara.Schwarz @ charter.net. Tory Christman posts with @
charter.net. Is she part of these criminal activities against me?
Any anti-religious extremist and Anonymous who is pro Paul Horner
should share a prison cell with him.
Barbara Schwarz
>
> >That is true.
>
> Barbara dear,
>
> This might be the most honest post you have ever made. Including the post where
> you admitted that you are a convicted criminal.
>
> You have said twice that Hubbard "build places of physical immorality." Focus
> in on the word "IMMORALITY".
>
> Here are a few words that mean the same thing, values that you have attributed
> to Hubbard: wickedness, wrong, vice, evil, corruption, sin, depravity,
> iniquity, debauchery, badness, licentiousness, turpitude, dissoluteness
>
> Surely, your ability to understand sarcasm is impaired. Below is the definition
> from the dictionary.
>
> Please get some help.
>
> Barbara
>
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/immorality
>
> immorality
> 1. The quality or condition of being immoral.
> 2. An immoral act or practice.
>
> Thesaurus
>
> Noun 1.immorality - the quality of not being in accord with standards of
> right or good conduct; "the immorality of basing the defense of the West on the
> threat of mutual assured destruction"
>
> unrighteousness - failure to adhere to moral principles; "forgave us our sins
> and cleansed us of all unrighteousness"
>
> depravation, depravity, degeneracy, putrefaction, corruption - moral perversion;
> impairment of virtue and moral principles; "the luxury and corruption among the
> upper classes"; "moral degeneracy followed intellectual degeneration"; "its
> brothels, its opium parlors, its depravity"; "Rome had fallen into moral
> putrefaction"
>
> corruptibility - the capability of being corrupted
>
> licentiousness, wantonness - the quality of being lewd and lascivious
>
> anomie, anomy - lack of moral standards in a society
>
> wrongness - contrary to conscience or morality
>
> evilness, evil - the quality of being morally wrong in principle or practice;
> "attempts to explain the origin of evil in the world"
>
> 2. immorality - morally objectionable behavior
>
> evil, wickedness, iniquity
>
> evildoing, transgression - the act of transgressing; the violation of a law or a
> duty or moral principle; "the boy was punished for the transgressions of his
> father"
>
> devilry, deviltry - wicked and cruel behavior
>
> foul play - unfair or dishonest behavior (especially involving violence)
>
> irreverence, violation - a disrespectful act
>
> sexual immorality - the evil ascribed to sexual acts that violate social
> conventions; "sexual immorality is the major reason for last year's record
> number of abortions"
> --
> An education isn’t how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It’s being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don’t. It’s knowing where to go to find out what you need to know; and it’s knowing how to use the information you get.
> - William Feather
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
wrote:
I am glad that you don't post with the name of an existing person
anymore. Paul Horner could learn something from you.
Barbara Schwarz
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> GSL is still a lot cleaner than the average p$ych office, so, I sure
> swam in it several times.
I don't know how clean psyche offices are. I'd imagine they are
reasonably clean. However century old wood? that's gotta be pretty
rank. And the leaking.
> It is really funny as swimming means crawling on the surface of the
> lake,
No... I've snorkel the lake. You are more buoyant than in the
ocean, and the lake is rather shallow except between those two island
to the south... oh and around the rail crossing about 1/2 way in.
Without weights... as you would snorkling anywhere you breath 3 times,
hold breath, tilt torso down... lift legs up. The weight of your legs
out of the water will drive you down, even in the GSL. once you are
under you kick like mad... more so than the Caribbean but again it's
not impossible. I found 35lbs to be too heavy, that's what I have on
my 1/4 inch wetsuit which is well, a wet suit and automatically
buoyant.
It's not a problem, you use weight to achieve neutral buoyancy, though
it's a little tricky at 2atms you are heavier than you started, but
any good weight belt has a quick release.
Barbara... because wetsuits and drysuits are soy buoyant, weights are
VERY standard gear.
> > > That said, when she mentions "Indians", is she referring to Native
> > > Americans, or people from India?
>
> American Indians are in Utah. Navajos for example or the Utes.
I'm not sure how many would be near the GSL. It doesn't have any fish
except to the north where the fresh water comes in. Also I doubt
there would be Navajos there. They were VERY picky about where their
land allotment was. They wanted to live between four sacred
mountains.
Mount Blanca (Tsisnaasjini' - Dawn or White Shell Mountain)
Mount Taylor (Tsoodzil - Blue Bead or Turquoise Mountain)
San Francisco Peaks (Doko'oosliid - Abalone Shell Mountain)
Mount Hesperus Dibé Nitsaa (Big Mountain Sheep) - Obsidian Mountain
It would be unusual to bump into them at that time. Perhaps you know
what tribe helped out in the construction of the village?
> Jewish people from anywhere.
The 1600s were a tough time for the Jews, they were not really welcome
anywhere, except for Poland, though that changed in the later part of
that century as I recall.
Keep in mind that the Jews were people without a homeland... so they
didn't have the benefit of government support, which is something that
you would rather need if you wanted to make a voyage of discovery.
Also... this begs the question of how they knew about the GSL when the
first survey I'm aware of didn't happen until 1776. This was Spanish
territory.... but they ignored it for 150 years... for good reason....
it was a 15,000mile boat trek.
> Lol. If you know L. Ron Hubbard, you know that he worked since ever on
> Scientology. He was always a Scientologist, all the timetrack back.
> And I was one too.
But didn't you need an e-meter to timetrek? This is rather before
any useful understanding of electricity let alone volt meter.
>
>
>
> > I wrote something earlier I think Google groups ate
>
> > This was in reference to her looking for newspapers in that area
> > -----
> > 1600? You know the Mormons didn't hit that area until well into the
> > first half of the 19th century don't you?
>
> The Mormons came when the village was already build.
> The first white settlers in Utah were Jews.
Um... are jews white? I rather thought they were middle eastern.
That's a tough call, but they certainly are their own ethic group.
And there have NEVER been evidence of a Jewish settlement. Where did
they come from? Poland? That would be the most likely spot, and well
Poland was NOT in a position to make a voyage of discovery. Russia
didn't make any until the mid 1700s, and by that time the Spanish were
active in the American west again.
> It is a fact that Jews came to Utah long before Mormons did.
That's not the fact. I know it's part of the Mormon belief and
such... but that simply is no evidence of this... period. It's not a
fact, it's a wild claim. The Chinese were pretty advanced, so much so
that some think it's possible for them to make a trans-pacific
crossing. In the 1400s they managed to import a pair giraffes from
Africa But there is no evidence of them doing this then... though I'd
agree it's remotely possible. Jews in the 1st century AD? There were
many advances in math and celestial navigation but there simply was a
lack of ocean goings ships. But really... to sail you needed the both
a square and lateen sail, a important piece of sailing technology
lacking at that time. The Arabs, the Byzantines. had these in the 6th
and 7th century. It wasn't until the 14th that they incorporated
square and lateen. You needed this as there was really no map of
ocean currents until the the late 18th century. You needed
thermometers.
I like moroms, I have mormons in my family... but I can't accept the
explanation of a jewish tribe in the Americas without evidence... even
some circumstantial evidence like the use of a written language in
north America Also the jews in the 1st century were pretty damn busy
fighting romans, it's hard to believe they had the resources, and the
will to make such an advance crossing.
Skipper
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<ff871ad6-afc0-4755...@g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
IntergalacticExpandingPanda <intergalactic...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
> Years ago, I did research on that subject and corresponded with
> scientists. I knew already that water can be made from scratch, and
> they confirmed it.
> They said that one needs a little lab to do it. I know, one can make
> water by cooling a tank, till there is ice, and then melting it,
> There might be also other possibilities.
NO SCIENTIST WOULD CONFIRM MAKING WATER FROM NOTHING. You can't
magically make matter.
As I indicated before, if you lived in an enclosed environment, and
had 1000 people you could extract 9 gal of water per person given the
volume I indicated, and then there would be NO water in the air.
The only way you can make water, from scratch, is if you had hydrogen,
and oxygen. The most abundant resource of this, in it's most dense
form, is water.... and as indicated before it takes about 35kWh to
extract the equivalent amount. It makes no sense.
You have fusion of hydrogen, but again, you'd be burning up stellar
amounts of fuel, to make oxygen, and emitting a ton of radiation, to
oxygen which would help you turn hydrogen which results in water.
And even then... even then, you don't save space. Water is liquid at
room temperature, and is already as dense as it gets... solid water
crystallizes and expands. Hydrogen is a gas, which requires
pressurized tanks, and even then... even then... you're be trowing
more mass into the partial accelerator than you'd be getting out in
oxygen.
Water is already in it's ideal form. The only exception on earth is
if it takes more than a ratio of 9:1 of fuel to water to transport
it. Then air condensation becomes practical, cost effective, and
efficient. But as a good rule of them, you don't go to those places
were you have to fly in water, you don't live there. But EVEN THEN
you are taking water vapor out of the open air. This is known as
humidity. The winds will bring you more, but if you are in sub, your
air supply is freaking limited.
Oddly enough I think this subject is covered in an LRH book, Mission
Earth... but not very well as LRH wasn't a scientist.
COLD DOES NOT MAGICLY MAKE WATER. Air acts like a sponge, can absorb
water. I gave you a table how much it it can store. The lower the
temp, the less a given volume of air can store, even taking PV=nRT
into account. As you are, for the lack of a better term, squeezing
the sponge, there is a limited amount of water in the air. Outside,
we have a planet to draw from and ambient winds. Not a big issue save
the huge fuel requirement to make it. picture the village's air as a
big sponge... picturing it? Squeeze it and get out about 9 gallons
per person. The sponge is EMPTY, you've got a bloody nose and dry
eyes because there is NO MORE WATER IN THE AIR.
I can't be any more simple than this... you can NOT magically make
water.
>
> I don't need it, as I can make water without your cold fusion.
Cold fusion, pipe dream, unproven. I was talking about HOT fusion.
Not practical today, but it's technically possible. Got a TV? That's
a partial accelerator.
You can't make water, you can't create matter. You have hydrogen, you
have oxygen. It's the second most comment molecule in the universe.
If you need buckets of Hydrogen, or Oxygen, you get water. Water is
the most abundant resource for these elements on earth.
What you are talking about is instant water... just add water. To make
water, you burn hydrogen. Hydrogen is happy to bond with oxygen. But
humans need o2. If you are burning hydrogen in the village, you will
die, because you burnt your O2. And don't tell me the plants will
make more, they convert CO2 to O2, which you are then sucking up and
converting to water, and you the ONLY ANIMAL IN THE VILLAGE isn't
going to have it to convert into co2.
Plants 6h2o + 6co2 -> c6h12o6 + o2
There is absolutely NO WAY you can MAKE water without the elements.
One doesn't exist in the air in any usable amount, the other you need
to breath... and without you, the plants DIE.
Water needs hydrogen, and oxygen. That's what h2o is. That's water,
that's grade school chemistry esp in Germany where they really focus
on the basics.
> It is so easy to make water and you want a make a nuclear power
> station.
> That will never get in my village. You better put that in your
> mountain village.
YOU NEED NUCLEAR FUSION TO MAKE HEAVIER ELEMENTS FROM LIGHTER
ELEMENTS. It's not a question of wanting nuclear power, the only only
only only only way to make water is on the nuclear level. You can
either blow apart heavier elements (fission) or build from lighter
ones (fusion). And no, you don't want to use either or unless you
have to.. Fission is prone to meltdown, fusion is not a practical
power source. And we are not talking about power source... were
talking about a power expense, a huge one, stellar levels of power.
AS IN YOUR OWN TINY SUN IN THE VILLAGE. or a huge partial accelerator
around the outside.
You can't make matter, you can only build from existing matter, build
heavier elements from lighter ones... or blowing part larger atoms.
YOU DON'T WANT RADIATION, DON'T SMASH ATOMS TOGETHER, DON'T TEAR THEM
APART.
Problem solved.
> Some inventions did not become known. Just as an example, If Indians
> invented something, do you believe they wrote it down and registered
> it?
True... I enjoy a good mystery, and a good anachronism. But... as a
good rule of thumb, if there is a really decent invention, that's used
by a great many people, there is going to be some evidence.
The Indians didn't write. They used oral tradition and actually were
damn good remember their history. The Navajo were esp good, and still
are. I presume you are going to say you can forget things with oral
tradition, and if that's true than ANYTHING REALLY ANACHRONISTIC WOULD
NOT CONTINUE TO BE MADE. We good a good deal about the lifestyles of
the Native American. Most with a few exceptions didn't have a written
language. The Mayan are the exception to this. They had NO beasts of
burden. There were a few tribes that could pound copper, silver, and
gold, but they were not bronze age by any standard. The Mayans had
advanced mathematics, base 20 system of math but lived in areas
without surface water, only a few swamps and... what's the term...
saboche? That really really really limits your options on the metal
front, not having huge things of water carving holes in mountains.
But the tribes that survived, the ones that survived, reached a point
in their technology where they were self sufficient. Necessary is the
mother of invention and when you have ample food, water, shelter and
clothing... there is very little need to advance.
Europeans on the other hand, they chopped down their forest, mined
their mines dry, they had a resource and energy crisis. This made
finding a route to Asia important.
Are you with me? If the Native Americans needed to build something
like an submarine... they really needed at the very least
Advanced writing
basic trigonometry
advanced smelters and alloys
Chemestry
It would be helpful if they had
steam power
electricity for aluminum extraction from bauxite ore .
kelms for making glass
THE WHEEL
And these are just things off the top of my head. The wheel is the
big one, they had no beasts of burden and WALKED everyplace until the
Spanish brought horses.
You bring up the jews, and you know the major major major
technological advancement the jews bought to the Americas in the 19th
century? Textiles. I'm not being insulting, it's a fact. I'm sure
there were some brilliant scientists, machinists, watch makers,
brewers... but the big contribution that America really needed was in
the textile industry. And this was the 19th century, and not the 16th
when they were pretty limited to ghettos with a few exceptions. And
this is presuming they even made it here, which they didn't have their
own country to back a trip.
> The village was not invented by Indians but as I wrote, the
> technologies that they are using is suppressed by the German secret
> service and that is why you don't know them.
What tactical benefit does the German secret service get by keeping it
a secret?
> The submarine village is a lot more remarkable.
Yes it would, go find it, prove it exists.
> The biggest trees were in the middle, the bushes were on the plateaus.
> The trees were not three miles but staying young and healthy is more
> important than getting a stiff neck from looking up high trees.
Then you have just increased the size of your village to... let's say
FOUR MONTE CARLOS.
> Didn't we discuss that already? I don't remember it exactly. I know
> that is was quiet and that it had no smoke.
Well you claim to be able to draw blueprints. This is not a trivial
detail.
> And, the problem is? The largest NLF player would still fit into it
> without bumping his head. Marty is over 6 foot. He lived in the
> village and loved it.
The problem is any taller, the village pokes OUT OF THE WATER AND
ISN'T A SUBMARINE ANYMORE, ITS' A BOAT.
> > Ok, how the hell could you have swimming pools?
>
> Pools? We had one, others likely too.
How? Where they above the floor?
> It carried a train. If a train can drive in it, the swimming pool does
> not make it sink.
Ummm, yes it would. deionized water is 1 gram per CC at standard
pressure and temperature.
Presuming 25m × 10m x 1.5m thats 375 cubic meters or 375,000 liters.
It's also 375,000kg or 826,733.pounds, 413 tons.
Granted you need millions of pounds of water to sustain humans... why
why on earth would you put millions of extra pounds in a sub?
And made out sub made of wood? You gotta get some stronger beams in,
and you only have 35 feet to work with, or else your sub becomes a
boat.
> Water is easy to make.
Not without the elements to make it. Hydrogen and oxygen.... and even
then, even then the largest supply of those elements is water.
What instant water? Just add water? Doesn't work.
> Once you have a water maker,
NO water makers, you can't make matter.
> you can fill not
> just your glass but also your pool. If you can make drop, you can make
> thousands.
No, MILLIONS of pounds. How many pools? If everyone had one, family
size of 3, 275,577,666 pounds 137 788 tons.
This is not a trivial amount of weight, hundreds of millions of
pounds.
> > > They made everything from their own clothes, shoes, houses, food,
> > > cosmetics, medicine, books, anything.
> > > They even had their own currency.
>
> > Where did the raw materials come from for all this?
>
> They grew plants and trees. You can make just about anything from
> nature.
> They had no animals in the village, except some goldfishs.
So only the humans produced co2 for the trees.
So no leather... only rubber and cotton shoes? Or perhaps hemp? Not
knocking hemp... it's a fast growing fiber that is practical for many
things. There better be one killer metal recycle program... which
would require a foundry.
> > Not possible. Humans shed skin, people make dust. Also if you had
> > trees, you had pollen, and dirt.
>
> You don't know life except that on the surface. That is why you can't
> imagine how it is in the village. A human makes only dust if he lives
> in a dusty world.
> The air is a tiny moist in the village, it is not like outside in Utah
> where everything is dusty.
Yes I can imagine life underwater. I spend a good deal of time
underwater. I like being under water. I'm one of those wacky people
that doesn't get wacko jacko in enclosed spaces.
I'm proposing all the problems that you would encounter in an enclosed
environment. Humans create dust, they shed their skin, their hair.
Humans are very dirty creatures and I'm one of them. I'm the the
village is very moist, it's under water in a wooden sub which will at
the very least be saturated with water.
But that being said, you have plants, you have pollen. You have dirt
for the plants, you're going to kick up dirt picking fruit.
You are introducing things to the village which will generate dust.
Water curtains are a good measure though.
> The water that runs over the village is the water from the GSL.
> Theoretically, you could build such a village also outside of a lake
> but you should have run water over it, to keep the microdust away.
> Guess you can do it with recycled water.
Recycled water is really the only practical means. In an enclosed
space your resources are even more livimited, you are not going to use
more energy than you have to. You don't have access to geothermal,
you won't go nuclear... so that leaves chemical power. There is
always alcohol, that's reasonably clean and plants produce sugar, and
yeast will convert it. You'll still have to distill it, but that is
at the very least a self sustaining fuel source, though questionable
in such a closed environment with only humans and no other animals.
There is methane as well... which you can have a catalytic reaction to
produce heat with... it'll still burn up oxygen but it's c4h2. IIRC
it's c4h2+(3)o2 = h2o + (2)co2. under ideal conditions plants can
scrub the co2. You're not going to have much sunlight @ 30 feet, but
we are not violating the laws of physics. I'm still skeptical you can
maintain this indefinably as a totally independent biosphere... and we
are talking at least 4 Monte Carlos.
But I can't see making it with wood, and have it mobile. The only
analogue I know of is the launcher for the space shuttle in terms of
tonnage. And to compound the problem, you have hundreds of millions
of pounds of water in your pools. this is just an educated guess. but
we are talking, there and abouts, approximately 86,118HP. . This is
based on the tug boat model pulling 16,000,000lb with a 5000hp
motor.
I'm too lazy to do the math, but you are getting the picture. HUGE
ENGINES, just for the pools.
> > How many. Also keep in mind that Scientology was a 20century
> > invention. It wasn't around until LRH invented it.
>
> That is what you think.
Ummm, yes, that's exactly what I think. That's what LRH's copyright
says. If that's incorrect, and it's using older material... the
church CAN'T CLAIM COPYRIGHT PROTECTION.
There is no evidence of anything Scientology related before the 20th
century. They swear up and down it's the only new religion of the
20th century.
GoodBoyTyler
news:b8abcd23-48ea-4fed...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Years ago, I did research on that subject and corresponded with
> scientists. I knew already that water can be made from scratch, and
> they confirmed it.
> They said that one needs a little lab to do it. I know, one can make
> water by cooling a tank, till there is ice, and then melting it,
> There might be also other possibilities.
They see you cannot freeze again something you take out of the freezer,
because when you do micro-organism start to form and when you freeze again
they get frozen too and corrupt the food. Thus the water created through
that system would not be the most hygienic one.
> They grew plants and trees. You can make just about anything from
> nature.
> They had no animals in the village, except some goldfishs.
So they must have been vegetarian. No egg either. No fish either. Pure
vegetarian.
GoodBoyTyler
news:49e2cdbd-230c-4a20...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> I was taken against my will AFTER age of 4 and there was no beautiful
> village but lots of brutality, p$ychs, and yodel..
Yodel? So they were yodeling while taking you away? My... that would make
for quite a scene in a Spielberg movie... German secret spy psych kidnapping
little girls supported by an army of yodelers yodeling...
Why were they yodeling? Is that a secret sound password that opens up the
glass roof?
> It is there, in the lake. It welcomed all people as long they were non-
> criminal and did not try to hurt others.
>
> But it was mouth to mouth. They did not put ads in the paper.
Mouth to mouth, eh... Now I think I may be interested to apply. Any cute or
hot sexy gal in the lot?
GoodBoyTyler
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On Jun 10, 10:13 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>> The Mormons came when the village was already build.
>> The first white settlers in Utah were Jews.
> Um... are jews white? I rather thought they were middle eastern.
> That's a tough call, but they certainly are their own ethic group.
Of course they are white. Maybe there's been a lot of mixing. You only need
a Jew mother to be Jew. There may be some ethnic characteristic that are
typical but in many cause you simply cannot distinguish a Jew from a white
Caucasian.
"Rev" Norle Enturbulata, DTS, OD
"GoodBoyTyler" <Barry...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> "IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalactic...@hotmail.com>
> wrote in message
> news:ff871ad6-afc0-4755...@g16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 10, 10:13 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
>
This isn't even about the subject anymore. Kill it.
IntergalacticExpandingPanda
wrote:
> They see you cannot freeze again something you take out of the freezer,
> because when you do micro-organism start to form and when you freeze again
> they get frozen too and corrupt the food. Thus the water created through
> that system would not be the most hygienic one.
the big issue with refreezing is... Typically packaged foods are flash
frozen... I think this technique was discovered during an antarctic
exposition... used first perhaps by Birdseye. It's a question of salt
crystals. Flash freezing freezes water before larger crystals can
form. Food doesn't get that watered down taste, loss of flavor. You
refreeze, esp if you freeze at house freezer temps, you get bigger ice
crystals, you penetrate more of the cells, there is a huge reduction
in quality.
The FDA can certainly address this better than I can
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FactSheets/Focus_On_Freezing/index.asp
"Refreezing
Once food is thawed in the refrigerator, it is safe to refreeze it
without cooking, although there may be a loss of quality due to the
moisture lost through defrosting. After cooking raw foods which were
previously frozen, it is safe to freeze the cooked foods. If
previously cooked foods are thawed in the refrigerator, you may
refreeze the unused portion.
If you purchase previously frozen meat, poultry or fish at a retail
store, you can refreeze if it has been handled properly."
This being said, freezing slows down or halts most bacteria and
molds. It does not kill them, cooking does. It's been well, a long
time since I did food service, but a big issue was refrigerating
cooked soups, where when hot the liquid stay at optimism breeding
temperature longer, or worse yet warm your fridge making your other
food spoil. As I recall, an icebath is often used to cool down hot
things before fridge ore freezer storage.
This being said... extracting water from the air isn't without the
need for refinement. There certainly are airborn bacteria. You gotta
filter it, or if you use some type of salt based extraction and heat
distillation, it's dead jim. No the big issue is to extract
reasonable amounts of water you need very warm air, decent humidity,
and a study fresh wind supply that is saturated with water vapor. And
even then... given the high fuel to water ratio (1:9 petrol to water),
it's not a cost effective solution. It's a save your ass you're in
the desert dumbass solution.
> So they must have been vegetarian. No egg either. No fish either. Pure
> vegetarian.
That's unfortunate. What do you get fertilizer with if you don't have
animals. Night soil (human fertalizer) tends to promote some nasty
things like tape worms. That's the problem about an organism that
lays eggs, and then they hatch 2nd or 3rd time around.
obscene dog
Totally agree.
Hell, entertaining as this thread was, people shouldn't even be
responding to Babbles. She is clinically insane and abuses the country
she has adopted as her home, much like the Cult abuses it.
Kill the thread, ignore Babbles.
Let her rest in peace.
--
Don't get in front of me.
What the... Oh, shi-
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
> On Jun 9, 12:56 pm, BarbaraSchwarz2...@excite.com wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > The village was not in the ocean as the ocean is too wild. I am sure
> > that Ron was the architect of such villages in early history. Be also
> > reminded of Atlantis. The word rather secretly indicates that it is on
> > land: At land is.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> That's amazing... because the word Atlantis was around long before
> English of course.
>
> Not only did they make a great underwater civilization, they could
> predict future language composition, in order to send encrypted
> messages to us!
>
> Ok, enough with the sarcasm. Atlantis in the original Greek meant,
> "island of Atlas".
>
> Carry on.
I know what it means in Greek. But I am talking about that the thetan
basically knows. Those thetans who created the English language.
Barbara Schwarz
My abusers, defamers and cyber stalkers:
Tilman Hausherr and Korey Jerome Kruse
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/media-newsroom/tilman-hausherr/
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/intolerance-hate/whistle-blowers/the-clearwater-letters/tilman-hausherr/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/kids.htm#Debate_with_Tilman_Hausherr
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Hausherr&btnG=Google+Search&domains=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM&sitesearch=BERNIE.CNCFAMILY.COM
http://www.alarmgermany.org/tilman.htm
http://stalkerkoreykruse.wordpress.com/
http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-156307.html
BarbaraSc...@excite.com
You will be arrested soon. But you can have a post card and look at it
while others have a great life in it.