Re: Notice of Copyright Infringement (fwd)
Homer Wilson Smith
Please do not post copyrighted material on a.r.s., it just
causes trouble for all the ISP's of the world that then have
to go in and delete it.
Thanks Homer
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Homer Wilson Smith <ho...@lightlink.com>
To: HKKO...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Notice of Copyright Infringement
Dear Ms. Kobrin,
Neither of these messages orginated on our server as the Path: shows.
as does the disclaimer in the headers. I will be happy to delete them from
our server for you, but picking on lightlink without also contacting every
other ISP on the planet to have them removed from their servers too can be
viewed as harassment.
Homer
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Homer Wilson Smith The Paths of Lovers Art Matrix - Lightlink
(607) 277-0959 KC2ITF Cross Internet Access, Ithaca NY
ho...@lightlink.com In the Line of Duty http://www.lightlink.com
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 HKKO...@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Mr. Smith:
>
> As you know, our office represents Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the
> owner of the confidential Advanced Technology of the Scientology religion and
> the holder of exclusive rights under the copyrights applicable to the Advanced
> Technology materials. The Advanced Technology materials are confidential,
> unpublished, copyrighted works. RTC's works include, among others, the
> individual works comprising levels known as "NOTs". These works are registered with
> the United States Copyright Office under registration numbers: TXu 257 326 and
> 257 527.
>
> Please be advised that someone has posted several of the NOTs works on a
> newsgroup through your system without the authorization of our client. The
> headers identifying these postings are attached below.
>
> Your subscriber's posting violates United States copyright law. Accordingly,
> we request that these postings be canceled immediately.
>
> I have a good faith belief, and in fact know for certain, that the posting of
> these works through your system was not authorized by my client, any agent of
> my client, or the law.
>
> I declare under penalty of perjury that this information is accurate and that
> I am authorized to act on behalf of RTC in this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> Helena K. Kobrin
> MOXON & KOBRIN
> 3055 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 900
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> 213-487-4468
> 213-487-5385 (Fax)
>
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Zinj
ho...@lightlink.com says...
>
> Please do not post copyrighted material on a.r.s., it just
> causes trouble for all the ISP's of the world that then have
> to go in and delete it.
>
> Thanks Homer
Please don't post subjects using a 're:' as original topics.
Second: Unless a post to ARS is made using your own server, you have no
business making blanket requests to ARS as a whole.
Lightlink is *not* usenet, and, while you have a right and a
responsibility to care for your own server, you have *no* right or
responsibility to speak for ARS as a whole.
As the 'Church' proved recently with its 'Truthseeker' spambot, you are
at most capable of addressing evils originating on your *own* server.
ARS is not your bailliwick.
If the issue is the recent publication of NOTs material, the
*originating* server was:
Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!
newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01b.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!
newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news1.dtag.de!
newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!
news2.arglkargh.de!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news
*Not* Lightlink.
It's none of your business.
If the 'Church' of Scientology is ashamed of its own dogma, it's *not*
your problem.
Tell them to fuck off
Zinj
Zinj
Ron...@RonnieMarks.org says...
> On 6 Sep 2005 20:42:18 -0400, Homer Wilson Smith <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Ms. Kobrin,
> >
> > Neither of these messages orginated on our server as the Path: shows.
> >as does the disclaimer in the headers. I will be happy to delete them from
> >our server for you, but picking on lightlink without also contacting every
> >other ISP on the planet to have them removed from their servers too can be
> >viewed as harassment.
> >
> > Homer
>
> understand how USENET works or what they can learn from the headers.
>
> From their flawed study of the messages, it looks liike they are using your server to read USENET, and EVERY article
> posted to ARS from everyone in the whiold world comes from someone using your server to post.
>
> Wow.
>
> You truely are famous world wide.
>
> Next thing you know, someone will be at the Vatican and ask "OK, so who is that guy with the funny hat standing with
> Homer?"
Homer made the mistake a couple of years back of claiming to accept the
'good faith' demands (otherwise known as extortion) of the 'Church' to
'remove' whatever the 'Church' told him was a 'copyright violation.
Without any individual evaluation. Homer said he 'trusted' them :)
So, he got listed as 'caved in', and when now, someone begins posting
*very* interesting and pointed pieces of NOTs material, Homer gets a
message :)
Heh. The postings are'nt from his server. He can 'remove' all he wants,
but, it's like promising to burn all your copies of the bible...
somehow, I suspect there will be *other*, unburnt copies.
At best the 'Church' is hoping that people using googlegroups and AOL
etc. will think that there is only *one* injection point for all of ARS.
Silliness. As TruthSeeker proved by finding a new injection point once
Homer tossed him.
Homer controls only news2.lightlink.com. Anyone not using Homer's
server to post is beyond Homer's control. The 'Church' is only hammering
Homer because it knows that most of the newer readers of ARS are unclear
on the nature of usenet, and will think that Homer is something more
than a good guy who has offered a free newsserver.
I'm at a loss to explain why Homer, who knows how irrelevant he is to
ARS posts done *not* using his server, thinks he should issue a warning.
Good guy. Fucked Cult.
Tell them to fuck off Homer.
You should have done so years ago.
Zinj
rmayf
this expire?
rmayf
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
"Homer Wilson Smith" <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.58.05...@adore.lightlink.com...
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
> I don't know much about copyright law. When, if ever, will the copyright on
> this expire?
Irrelevant. Since the posts were not done using Homer's
news2.lightlink.com server, copyright is of no interest to him, except
if he chooses to delete the posts locally, and differentiate himself
from the other hundreds of thousands of nntp servers in usenet.
Zinj
rmayf
Alright,
But I'm really interested in when their copyrights will expire on all of the
NOTS and tech. Will it ever?
rmayf
Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Elbert Hubbard
"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8816d33...@news.day.sbcglobal.net...
Zinj
says...
<snip>
> I'm amazed that Da Ho is still sending out letters. I thouoght she'd be
> reassigned to a RPF prison camp. Perhaps she'll let us know if the RPF
> camp has auditing closets suitable for afternoon quickies?
Helena has been more or less 'missing in action' since 1999, when she
went in to 'do' OTIII (as recorded in Kristi's records)
Since then, Ava Paquette has been in charge of sending out the 'bitches
and moans', but I don't think Homer specified.
I do think that somewhare in 2000, Helena did a *very* short term of
recuperation, but, I may be remembering wrong, and, I suspect she's not
considered 'ready for public purview'.
Whooo baby... that OTiii is some hard shit!
Zinj
--
Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil!
- The Tick
Major Boner
> Dear Mr. Smith:
> As you know, our office represents Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the owner of > the confidential Advanced Technology of the Scientology religion and the holder of > exclusive rights under the copyrights applicable to the Advanced Technology > materials. The Advanced Technology materials are confidential, unpublished, > copyrighted works. RTC's works include, among others, the individual works > comprising levels known as "NOTs". These works are registered with the United > States Copyright Office under registration numbers: TXu 257 326 and 257 527.
> Please be advised that someone has posted several of the NOTs works on a ewsgroup > through your system without the authorization of our client. The headers identifying > these postings are attached below.
> Your subscriber's posting violates United States copyright law. Accordingly, we > request that these postings be canceled immediately.
> I have a good faith belief, and in fact know for certain, that the posting of these works > through your system was not authorized by my client, any agent of my client, or the > law.
> I declare under penalty of perjury that this information is accurate and that I am > authorized to act on behalf of RTC in this matter.
> Sincerely,
> Helena K. Kobrin
> MOXON & KOBRIN
> 3055 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 900
> Los Angeles, CA 90010
> 213-487-4468
> 213-487-5385 (Fax)
How can OT VII be copyrighted when it is publicly assessible to anyone
on the Internet??
OT VII Rundown -
US District Court, Central District of California
Fishman Case # 91-6426 HLH (Tx) Continued
OT VII RUNDOWN
June 1979 Revision
1. Basic Processes Set-up.
OT7-1
What are you willing to cause?
What are you willing to be the effect of?
OT7-2
Decide something.
OT7-3
Clear intention. (Very thoroughly.) Have client use word in at
least six sentences. (If needed.)
*CDP/MCP "Intention"
OT7-4
1. What is a clear intention.
2. Give me an example.
3. What isn't a clear intention.
4. Give me an example.
OT7-5
2 W/C .. the subject of intention.
OT7-6
Recall an intention.
OT7-7
invent (mock-up) some intentions.
CDP - Creative Definition Procedure
MCP - Meaning Control Procedure
These are both Eductivism procedures for clearing words.
OT7-8
F-2. Tell me a thought/intention you would be willing to receive
from another.. (Whichever reads.)
F-2. Tell me a thought/intention another would be willing to
receive from you.
F-3. Tell me a thought/intention others would be willing to
receive from others.
F-0. Tell me a thought/intention you'd be willing to receive
from
yourself.
0T7-9
F-1. What intention of yours has another helped?
What intention of yours has another not helped?
F-2. What intention of another's have you helped?
What intention of another's have you not helped?
F-3. What intention of another's have others helped?
What intention of another's have others not helped?
(0114)
F-0. What intention of yours have you helped?
What intention of yours have you not helped?
OT7-1O
F-1. What intention of another's could you confront?
What intention of another's would you rather not
confront?
F-2. What intention of yours could another confront?
What intention of yours would another rather not
confront?
F-3. What intention of another's could others confront?
What intention of another's would others rather not
confront?
F-0. What intention of yours could you confront?
What intention of yours would you rather not confront?
OT7-11
F-1. What intention of yours could another be responsible for?
F-2. What intention of another's could you be responsible for?
F-3. What intention of another's could others be responsible for?
F-0. What intention of yours could you be responsible for?
OT7-13
Give me an unknown datum.
OT7-14 (PAB 69)
Tell me some orders you wouldn't mind receiving.
Tell me something that would obey you.
(0115)
OT7-15
Get the idea I can place an intention.
Get the idea I cannot place an intention.
II. L & N Intention Process
OT7-16
Has an intention been....
Suppressed Forgotten
Invalidated Hidden
Blunted Avoided
Abandoned Altered
Denied Twisted
Enforced Changed
Desired Completed
Decided Made Wrong
on biggest reading item L & N ...
What intention has been ?
R3R Quad if evil intention.
III. Placing @houghts and intentions (inside Auditing room).
OT7-17
A. Spot an object.
B. Locate an object from which you are separate.
(0116)
Locate an object which is separate from you.
OT7-18
Think a thought.
Creatively place that thought in/on that. (Indicated object.)
]Row creatively get that (indicated object) thinking that thought.
Creatively have that (indicated object) continue thinking that
'thought.
Creatively have that (indicated object) cease thinking that
thought.
OT7-19
Clear intention.
Mock up (invent) an intention.
Get the idea of placing (or place) that intention in that
(indicated object).
OT7-20
From (indicated point) make a choice between (indicated positions
or objects).
OT7-21
Putting the decision on (in) that (indicted object) make a
decision about it.
(0117)
OT7-22
Decide something.
IV. Outside Processes with an Auditor (objects).
OT7-23
Spot an object.
OT7-24
Locate an object from which you are separate.
Locate an object which is separate from you.
OT7-25
Think a thought in (on) that (object or position)
or
Do you see that ( object )?
Think a thought in (on) it.
Did the thought appear where it is?
OT7-26
From (indicated point) make a choice between (indicated positions
or objects).
OT7-27
Putting the decision on (in) that (indicated object) make a
decision about it.
(0118)
V. Outside Processes with an Auditor (people).
OT7-28
Spot an acceptable energy source.
OT7-29
Spot a person.
OT7-30
Locate a person from whom you are separate.
Locate a person who is separate from you.
OT7-31
Point out a difference between that person's body and yours.
OT7-32
Tell me something you really know about that person.
What would you permit that person to know about you?
OT7-33
Postulate perfection into that person.
Now postulate perfection into that one.
OT7-34
Tell me something you wouldn't mind knowing about that person.
Tell me something you wouldn't mind that person not-knowing about
you.
(0119)
OT7-35
Think a Thought in (on) that person
or
Do you see that person?
'Think a thought in (on) him/her?
Did t-he thought appear where it is?
OT7-36
From that person make a choice between (indicated positions or
objects).
OT7-37
Putting the decision on (in) that person, make a decision about
bin/her.
OT7-38
Decide something.
(0120)
OT VII SOLO SECTION
VI Inside Processes Solo
(On the Meter)
OT7-39
Spot an object.
OT7-40
Mock-up a confusion.
Unmock it;
or
What confusion could you create?
OT7-41
Mock-up a communication terminal.
Mock-up another communication terminal.
Dispose of these mock-ups.
OT7-42
What wouldn't you mind communicating with.
OT7-43
Mock-up your (father, wife, mother, husband).
Mock him (her) up again.
Dispose of these mock-ups.
(0121)
OT7-44
How could you appreciate another as a human Being.
How could another appreciate you as a human Being.
How could you appreciate yourself as a human Being.
How could another appreciate themselves as a human Being.
How could another appreciate another as a human Being.
OT7-45
Find and run a havingness process on yourself.
VIII Outside Processes Solo
(Off the Meter)
OT7-46
Spot a person
or
Spot a Thetan.
OT7-47
1. Go to a place with lots of people.
2. Spot them one at a time.
3. As you spot each person, do the following:
A. Perceive the individual as a Life Source (Thetan).
B. Know something about that person.
C. Be willing to not-know something about that person.
(0122)
D. Grant beingness to that person (by cognizing the way they
are).
E. Having that person grant beingness to you.
OT7-48
1. Find some plants, trees, etc., and communicate to them
individually until you know they received your communication.
2. Go to a zoo or a place with many types of life and
communicate
with each of them until you know the communication is received
and, if possible, returned.
OT7-49
Go out to a park, train station or other busy area. Practice
placing an intention into individuals until you can successfully
and easily place an intention into or on a Being and/or a body.
Attest to OT7
(0123)
OT VIII, Part 1
US District Court, Central District of California
Fishman Case No 91-6426 HLH (Tx)
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
OT VIII
HCO BULLETIN OF 1 OCTOBER 1969
SECRET
WHY THETANS MOCK-UP
This question has been the most plaguing one in Dianetics and
Scientology.
The ONLY way a thetan ever gets in trouble, the ONLY way he can
get trapped or become part of a cluster is by mocking-up and
inaking pictures of bad experiences.
And why record all bad experiences? This too is not good sense.
one can explain it by a yearning for eventi by havingness and
other ways, but these do not factually lead to a total solution.
The real reason stems from a characteristic of a thetan. He never
totally gives up.
There is, seemingly, a streak of resistance or resentment that
makes a thetan wish to persist in the same place. If he cannot, he
will do so covertly.
All power comes from the ability to occupy a point. The base that
separates two terminals must be firm or there will be no exchange
of energy.
The effort to weaken a thetan is to make him relinquish his point
In space. covertly or overtly a thetan seeks to assert his
position in space.
If he cannot do so overtly he does so covertly.
When a thetan is moved unwillingly from a point or position, he
even then refuses to give up that point, but MOCKS IT UP. He also
mocks up the events of his departure as a part of the action of
mocking up the point he is leaving. This, unwittingly, gives him
a picture, an engram.
Now let us see if this theory holds true in practice.
A. Just ahead of any engram there must be an effort to
retain a position and there must be a point or location
being mocked up.
This is true. You can blow an engram without running it
by spotting its first point in space and time. In a
secondary, "Where did you first hear of the loss" is a
vital question.
(0125)
B. In a Contact Assist getting a person to touch again the
point where he was hurt with what was hurt will blow the
engram.
C. Getting a person to locate areas (locations) that are not
safe produces blows of engrams without running them.
D. Exact and accurate dating sometimes blows an engram.
Those times when it does not, it should blow when the
location is exactly spotted.
E. Implants and traps were done mainly to keep thetans out
of an area. The thetan, resenting and resisting mocks up
the place anyway and so implants himself.
_____________________________
A thetan too easily substitutes a mock-up for a point in the real
universe.
one could also say that a thetan, by mocking up, warns himself
against certain points in space or areas in the Physical Universe.
Anxiety is solely not being able to be in certain places and not
where one is either.
making people leave is the most unpopular action unless one also
frees them to be anywhere.
Transferring people is a degrading thing to do to them.
(0126)
Jail denies a thetan all spaces except where he has been placed
and note that thetans are made very miserable in Jail. Jailing is
a sure way to confirm criminals and also to make them crazy as
well.
Any thetan, stuck in an engram, is asserting the effort to be at
the point where he was hit at the beginning of that engram.
An engram therefore is a refusal to leave a place at which force
was exerted to drive one away.
Reversely, one can refuse to be held at a place where one does not
wish to bt, but this is a negation of a place, a not-is of it and
its time.
Power of choice over where one is and where one is not is thus a
key to engrams.
Finally - a thetan mocks up because he covertly refuses to abandon
a location under duress and not-ises the place where he does not
wish to be but must.
Using these facts one can blow engrams without running them.
Some sample questions:
What point (location) is unsafe?
(0127)
What location could you have held absolutely?
Where did you first get an intimation of danger?
What place would you rather not be in?
What effort would it take to hold (that) (a) locatation?
Working with this you will see a door open to a higher level than
Dianetic R3R. But realize that it is only for a high level
thetan.
This is the road to returned personal power in the Physical
Universe.
L. RON HUBBARD
Founder
Mike Gormez
in <1126074990.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
> OT7-48
> 1. Find some plants, trees, etc., and communicate to them
> individually until you know they received your communication.
> 2. Go to a zoo or a place with many types of life and
>communicate
> with each of them until you know the communication is received
> and, if possible, returned.
It may now seem incredible but people used to get 'ho-letters for just
quoting those lines :-)
and
From d...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM Fri Jul 28 01:26:44 CDT 1995
Article: 91910 of alt.religion.scientology
Path: uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail
From: d...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David C Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Kobrin Troll(?) Email/SP 4.0
Date: 28 Jul 1995 01:20:29 -0500
Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800
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Message-ID: <3v9vjd$s...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com
Summary: Email from hkk or hkk wannabe
Status: OR
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Either this is a troll or legit. I dunno. Until I find out, I'll
go ahead and grab the SP4 declare <grin>. Including my reply:
From: David C Smith <dcs>
Message-Id: <1995072806...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
Subject: Re: your mail
To: h...@netcom.com (Helena Kobrin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:06:14 -0500 (CDT)
Cc: dcs (David C Smith)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9507272225.A23088-0100000@netcom10> from "Helena
Kobrin" at Jul 27, 95 10:21:13 pm
[some header and pgp snippage]
Greetings Helena,
Due to the insecure nature of the Internet I ask that
if you are indeed the originator of the enclosed message that
you please resend with verification (PGP signature/encryption
with your public key) or via secure channels such as registered
US mail. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Dave
> Dear Mr. Smith:
> I represent Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the owner
> of the confidential Advanced Technology of the religion of
> Scientology, and the holder of the exclusive rights under the
> copyrights applicable to the Advanced Technology materials.
> Among these copyrighted and confidential materials are the
> Advanced Technology materials of a level known as "OT VII." The
> copyright for OT VII is registered with the United States
> Copyright Office under No. TXU-303-388.
> I have been informed that you have posted on
> alt.religion.scientology a portion of the OT VII materials
> without the authorization of my client, who, of course, would not
> have given such authorization had it been requested. Your action
> violates my client's legal rights in that it is the unauthorized
> making of an electronic copy of the copyrighted material and the
> unauthorized disclosure of trade secrets materials.
> These actions constitute violations of applicable copyright
> laws and trade secret misappropriation entitling our client to
> damages and an injunction. This is true regardless of whether
> you ever signed an agreement with respect to the confidentiality
> of the OT materials. You are on notice that they are regarded as
> trade secrets, and case law from several jurisdictions holds that
> an individual who is on notice is liable for trade secret
> misappropriation. The only way these materials could ever have
> left the church is through outright theft or misappropriation.
> It is essential that you take immediate and effective action
> to remove the unauthorized copy from the Internet, and that you
> refrain from any repetition of this or similar acts in the
> future. You are also to delete these and any other OT materials
> from your hard drive and any floppy disks and to destroy any hard
> copies you have made.
> In addition, your downloading of the copyright and trade
> secret materials also violates laws prohibiting copyright
> infringement and trade secret misappropriation. Your use and
> disclosure of these materials is *not* fair use. United States
> courts routinely find that the unpublished nature of a work is a
> factor which weighs against a finding of fair use. No court has
> ever found that use of stolen unpublished works is fair. There
> is also no fair use defense to trade secret misappropriation.
> The OT materials have been found to be trade secrets by the
> United States District Court for the Southern District of
> California in Bridge Publications, Inc. v. Vien, 827 F. Supp.
> 629, 633 (S.D. Cal. 1993). No court has ever ruled to the
> contrary.
> I will expect an immediate response from you with a
> statement of your willingness to comply with these demands. If
> you do not comply immediately, we will have no other recourse but
> to initiate legal action to compel compliance.
> Sincerely,
> Helena K. Kobrin
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roger gonnet
<Ron...@RonnieMarks.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
8nesh19amemgnuf5g...@4ax.com...
> On 6 Sep 2005 20:42:18 -0400, Homer Wilson Smith <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ms. Kobrin,
>>
>> Neither of these messages orginated on our server as the Path: shows.
>>as does the disclaimer in the headers. I will be happy to delete them from
>>our server for you, but picking on lightlink without also contacting every
>>other ISP on the planet to have them removed from their servers too can be
>>viewed as harassment.
>>
>> Homer
>
> greed and hate can still clearly not
> understand how USENET works or what they can learn from the headers.
They don't care at all. Their laws are the only laws applicable everywhere,
anywhere, wherever. That's how totalitarian scams and evil purps motivated
people and groups function.
Look the nazism, the stalinism, the christianism when it was still a bad cult
(even the last Pope said so and askes for excuses to populations and groups
having been wounded by the cult).
>
> From their flawed study of the messages, it looks liike they are using your
> server to read USENET, and EVERY article
> posted to ARS from everyone in the whiold world comes from someone using your
> server to post.
>
> Wow.
>
> You truely are famous world wide.
>
> Next thing you know, someone will be at the Vatican and ask "OK, so who is
> that guy with the funny hat standing with
> Homer?"
yes!
r
roger gonnet
<root@127.1> a écrit dans le message de news:
q6psh19633ibk1s7h...@4ax.com...
> In <8nesh19amemgnuf5g...@4ax.com>, Ron...@RonnieMarks.org
>>>
>>> Neither of these messages orginated on our server as the Path: shows.
>>>as does the disclaimer in the headers. I will be happy to delete them from
>>>our server for you, but picking on lightlink without also contacting every
>>>other ISP on the planet to have them removed from their servers too can be
>>>viewed as harassment.
>>>
>>> Homer
>>
>>greed and hate can still clearly not
>>understand how USENET works or what they can learn from the headers.
>>
>>server to read USENET, and EVERY article
>>posted to ARS from everyone in the whiold world comes from someone using your
>>server to post.
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>You truely are famous world wide.
>>
>>Next thing you know, someone will be at the Vatican and ask "OK, so who is
>>that guy with the funny hat standing with
>>Homer?"
>
> reassigned to a RPF prison camp. Perhaps she'll let us know if the RPF
> camp has auditing closets suitable for afternoon quickies?
must be some other pseudo-attorney for the cult (true good attorneys don't do
sucg stupid letters and don't send them through mail).
r
roger gonnet
"rmayf" <rma...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
11260589...@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>I don't know much about copyright law. When, if ever, will the copyright on
>this expire?
for the crime cult, they'll never expire. Do you know why? Because they
republish under the *almost* same wording from time to time, and pretend that
the past copyrights then are covbered by the new wordings...
Con-men one day, con-men always.
r
Messalina
Major Boner wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 HKKOB...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. Smith:
>
> > As you know, our office represents Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the owner of > the confidential Advanced Technology of the Scientology religion and the holder of > exclusive rights under the copyrights applicable to the Advanced Technology > materials. The Advanced Technology materials are confidential, unpublished, > copyrighted works. RTC's works include, among others, the individual works > comprising levels known as "NOTs". These works are registered with the United > States Copyright Office under registration numbers: TXu 257 326 and 257 527.
>
> > Please be advised that someone has posted several of the NOTs works on a ewsgroup > through your system without the authorization of our client. The headers identifying > these postings are attached below.
>
> > Your subscriber's posting violates United States copyright law. Accordingly, we > request that these postings be canceled immediately.
>
> > I have a good faith belief, and in fact know for certain, that the posting of these works > through your system was not authorized by my client, any agent of my client, or the > law.
>
> > I declare under penalty of perjury that this information is accurate and that I am > authorized to act on behalf of RTC in this matter.
>
> > Sincerely,
> > Helena K. Kobrin
> > MOXON & KOBRIN
> > 3055 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 900
> > Los Angeles, CA 90010
> > 213-487-4468
> > 213-487-5385 (Fax)
>
> How can OT VII be copyrighted when it is publicly assessible to anyone
> on the Internet??
>
Copyright is just that, the right to reproduce a given work. Just
because you are allowed access to a work doesn't mean you are allowed
to reproduce that work yourself and do with it what you will. Saavy?
Mez, IANAL
Mike O'Connor
"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net> wrote:
You can't re-copyright a derivative work. But most of these copyrights
won't expire for some time.
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