Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone from LMT, and xenutv?
ptsc
<Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net> wrote:
>Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone from LMT, and xenutv?
>Did they threaten LMT and Mark Bunker to make them remove the extremely
>disturbing videos?
The Internet Wayback machine at http://www.archive.org appears to have
saved a copy.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010109065900/http://www.xenutv.com/trust/mike.htm
should bring it up. The Streaming links don't work but you should be able to
download the files--in fact I just did one.
ptsc
Zinj
<06re4ugo7059ama3t...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>,
Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net says...
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:22:18 -0500.
> In Message-ID: <hcqe4ugs4uef5tsu1...@4ax.com>
> From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com>.
> Organization: ARS: Perhaps the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone
> from LMT, and xenutv?:
> looks like they were, they should be much larger. No matter which file I
> download, I get only 1 048 328 bytes of the file, and then it stops
> downloading and completes the file download normally.
>
> Yeah well, I'm sure I'll get my hands on the original files soon enough
> anyhow.
>
> SAZ
>
I'd have to say that, as much as I have appreciated the LMT's
existence and actions, I have also sometimes deplored what I tend to
consider their 'party line solidarity'.
As a *part* of the critical effort, the Lisa Memorial Trust has been
valuable; it has *never* been the leader.
Party Line thinking only leads to self-irrelevancy... as the
unwillingness to host the Gay Pride Parade video showed years ago.
Are the videos 'just missing'?
Nah :)
Zinj
Zinj
<03se4u4t183g5n9lm...@ARSCC.Sweden.Dep.OSA.Surveillance>,
Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net says...
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:45:45 -0800.
> In Message-ID: <MPG.16b1100d2...@news2.lightlink.com>
> From: Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com>.
> Organization: BadCo.
> can't say. If you have any ideas why they are gone, please elaborate on
> that for the rest of us, not knowing why that might be.
>
> SAZ
>
I would assume that it's because they no longer fit in the 'Party Line'
of course.
I could speculate as to what that party line is... but maybe Mark could
just tell us.
Very possibly it's nothing nefarious... and possibly, out in the open, it
would be immediately comprehensible.
But, of course, the LMT doesn't *owe* us any explaination... it's their
right to function as they want.
And ours to judge them by their actions.
Zinj
kumbia
Generally pips are dishonest losers who produce few if any competitive
values for others and
society. They seldom if ever exert the hard efforts required to do
something really excellent with
their lives -- something about which they can be proud.
Pips are people who purposely attack values by distorting out-of-context
fragments of those
values. Using those distortions, pips attack values with false but
logical-sounding criticisms. They
often conjure up straw men to bash. ...Pips create problems where none
exist.
What Does Pipping Mean? Why Do Losers Pip?
Pipping involves attacking values by isolating out-of-context fragments of
the achievements
produced by others or their businesses. Pipping means building one's ego by
manipulating with
words rather than by producing genuine values. Pipping is done to make a
loser appear superior
to and more moral than the achievements or businesses being attacked.
Pips reject any response that places their distorted fragments back into
context. Pips refuse to
understand the full context of the values they are attacking. They are not
interested in values,
honesty, accuracy, answers, explanations, or learning. They are only
interested in the level of ego
enhancement they can conjure up through spurious attacks on values. Thus,
once pipping is
detected, further communication or argument is worthless and should cease
so no more
irreplaceable time is wasted. A principled template such as this becomes an
effective response.
The attacking pip will then stand alone, recognized as someone seeking
unearned importance.
Hence, malicious, attack-mode pips will first vanish from cyberspace and
then from the world.
...Justice will be served. Everyone will profit.
©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
> Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone from LMT, and xenutv?
>
> Did they threaten LMT and Mark Bunker to make them remove the extremely
> disturbing videos?
>
> I want them, I need them, I'm going to add them to my RealServer here.
>
> In the mean time, the transcripts are always available, thanks to
> XenuBat, and the archives of this NG.
>
> The original URL, where the transcript was stored is gone too, but
> here's a small excerpt. I'll try to find the whole transcript, and
> repost it.
>
> I dare say that it seems as if Mike and Virginia McClaughry is trying
> their best to erase this from history. That will not be allowed of
> course, I WILL get my hands on the videos, and the transcripts WILL be
> posted again shortly.
>
> Church of Scientology puts LSD in a pregnant woman's toothpaste.
>
> Mike McClaughry interview, 2/05/2000
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: This wasn't one that I did, but my juniors
> participated in, I just happened to be out of town at the time. A,
> uh, psychiatrist from Mexico was coming up. I don't know the guy's
> name-- I think it started with an M or something like that. But he
> was coming up to San Francisco and he was gonna give a speech to
> other psychiatrists at the, uh, Hilton Hotel there, which is just
> right around the corner from the org. Um, they had a, some kind of
> convention. He was their main speaker. And the operation was-- and a
> guy flew up from USGO who was gonna do it, his name was Gary
> Lawrence. He wasn't very good at Black Ops. I mean, he wasn't as
> creative as my mind, you know. These were the kinds of things he
> thought of; mine were a little more incisive and-- you know what I
> mean?
>
> UNIDENTIFIED MAN: And effective.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: And effective as well, like Ida Camburn's and that
> kind of thing, you know. But his, uh-- he couldn't think of, um, ops
> like that to do to people so he thought of things like LSD in the
> toothpaste (laughs), you know.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED MAN: He's flamboyant.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Yeah (laughs). So, uh-- and maybe that's the
> problem today. Maybe these guys down there aren't that bright so
> they end up with things like the Minutemen and stuff like that, you
> know, "This is what we'll do, we'll have a hit-and-run accident, you
> know, that's a good idea" you know.
>
> They went and got some LSD. The solution to this guy's giving a
> speech was they're gonna put LSD in his toothpaste. Um, so
> therefore, when he got up to give his speech, you know, he would go
> on a drug trip and everybody would think he was crazy. That was
> their plan. Um, they got into his room and, um, I got back from my
> mission and I heard about this and I went, "You guys are crazy!",
> you know (laughs). Because it wasn't that part, my junior was
> totally freaked out, you know. He was just having a moral cow
> (laughs) over this thing, right? And the reason was, it wasn't so
> much the guy and putting tooth-- you know, LSD in the guy's
> toothpaste. It was the fact that the guy's wife was with him, and
> she was pregnant.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yes.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: And they put it in her toothpaste, too.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yes.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: You know.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Oh, my God!
>
> UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Yeah, that was horrible.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Yeah.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED MAN: So what happened?
>
> ANOTHER UNIDENTIFIED MAN: -- Sea Org.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: Hmm?
>
> UNIDENTIFIED MAN: What happened.
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: I didn't even want to hear. I said, "I don't even
> want to hear what happened! You guys are crazy!", you know? (laughs)
> And my junior was in a state to be tied, you know.
>
> UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Because of-- because he had done it?
>
> MIKE McCLAUGHRY: He participated in it to some degree. I don't think
> he actually, um-- I don't know because I wasn't there, you know. His
> name was Paul Elkins.
>
> =====
>
> --
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> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
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Zonpower and Salvador Dali's "Last Supper"
One of the most breathtaking paintings of any age is Salvador Dali's "Last
Supper". And, as many
Objectivists know, that painting was one of Ayn Rand's favorites. Jesus
appears indescribably
beautiful, innocent, and benevolent. He appears as the Chairman presiding
over a Universe-500
board meeting. Notice even the neatly cropped, modern New York executive
haircuts of the
Apostles. Dali delivered a radical presentation of Christ never before seen
among the thousands of
holy paintings by hundreds of master artists over the millennium.
Imagine this crystal-clear painting being cast as a giant,
ten-thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle. Now,
imagine a dishonest blowhard, journalist, or nihilist -- a pip -- plucking
a piece, any piece, or a
handful of pieces, from that painting. Then imagine that pip waving those
pieces before a public who
had never before seen the whole picture of that masterpiece. Using glib
words and dishonest non
sequiturs, that pip harangues his audience: In tearing down the great value
of Dali and his
masterpiece, that pip captures an unearned ego trip.
The pip simply needs to hold up the piece or pieces of the puzzle ripped
from the total picture and
loudly proclaim: "Look at this Dali-crap! It's valued only by Dali-kooks.
This proves that Daliism is
new-age cult stuff, pseudo art, a sham", the pip blusters. The attacking
pip then swells up with
feel-big ego for publicly, effortlessly exposing the Dali "fraud". Through
his unjust no-effort attack,
the pip feels superior to the lifetime hard efforts produced by Dali.
Those who had never seen Dali's complete painting could not know that the
facts were the opposite
to the non sequiturs being dishonestly pronounced. How could they know that
the exposing "hero"
was really a nothingness fraud while the exposed "fraud" was a beautiful
gem?
In the same way, pips throughout the establishment constantly tear down Ayn
Rand and her work.
Likewise, in that same way, pips have often torn down, even killed or
destroyed, the most radical
yet greatest of civilization-benefiting value producers throughout history
-- Socrates, Galileo, Michael
Milken.
kumbia
©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:22:18 -0500.
> In Message-ID: <hcqe4ugs4uef5tsu1...@4ax.com>
> From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT cryptofortress DOT com>.
> Organization: ARS: Perhaps the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone
> from LMT, and xenutv?:
> Yeah, unfortunately the downloaded files are not complete, even if it
> looks like they were, they should be much larger. No matter which file I
> download, I get only 1 048 328 bytes of the file, and then it stops
> downloading and completes the file download normally.
PIPs WANT TO GET THEIR HANDS ON THE VALUES OTHERS PRODUCED, SO THEY CAN PERVERT
THEM TO THIER VALUELESS ENDS...
>
>
> Yeah well, I'm sure I'll get my hands on the original files soon enough
> anyhow.
>
> SAZ
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
MORE PIP SPEAK
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
> - Longtime Critic: HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense
> (ShyDavid)) in Message-ID: <3c37c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
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©Anti-PIP® - www.value.producers.earth.make.pipsqueeks.peep Who are Pips?
kumbia
> can't say. If you have any ideas why they are gone, please elaborate on
> that for the rest of us, not knowing why that might be.
>
> SAZ
>
>
Ill tell you why, PIP, Your mind is stunted. it does not reason, you PIMP off others
for your IMAGINED 'ego-trip' ... well, now you have been SPOTTED. YOUR TIME IS UP!
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
Terrorists are PIPs TOO!
kumbia
> Stupid me, I already had the low band files in my archives. I'll
> immediately start to make them available from my RealServer. Perhaps
> later on, I'll be able to get my dirty hands on the high band versions
> too.
>
> Back in a bit, with the URL for the streaming/download of the Mike
> McClaughry show :-)
>
> Sten-Arne©Anti-PIP® - www.value.producers.earth.make.pipsqueeks.peep Who are
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
TERRORISTS ARE PIPS.
> - Longtime Critic: HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense
> (ShyDavid)) in Message-ID: <3c37c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
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kumbia
Who are Pips?
kumbia
Who are Pips?
Human Rights Defense (ShyDavid)
www.users.wineasy.se/noname/
<Anti...@galacticfederation.homeip.net> wrote:
> Any ideas of why the McClaughry videos is gone from LMT, and xenutv?
>
> Did they threaten LMT and Mark Bunker to make them remove the extremely
> disturbing videos?
>
> I want them, I need them, I'm going to add them to my RealServer here.
>
> In the mean time, the transcripts are always available, thanks to
> XenuBat, and the archives of this NG.
>
> The original URL, where the transcript was stored is gone too, but
> here's a small excerpt. I'll try to find the whole transcript, and
> repost it.
http://holysmoke.org/mm/mm.htm
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scientology brainwashing removes an individual's socialization and
> sense of empathy with their fellow human beings. They can therefore
> lie and not produce the emotional physiomotor responses that all
> healthy, socially conscious, empathic human beings generate when they
> know they are commoting a wrongful act against another human being.
>
> If a terrorist wants to be a better terrorist, he can go receive
> Scientology "services."
>
> - Longtime Critic: HR-De...@aol.com (Human Rights Defense
> (ShyDavid)) in Message-ID: <3c37c...@corp.newsgroups.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *********** http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/index.htm ************
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>
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