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jackson.vane

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:45:23 PM1/24/08
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I wonder why they never respond to the criticisms that they get. They
just go on their merry way posting more random stories without any
reputable sites (teenscreentruth - does NOT count). I want some
responses, not more clutter. I would have to put those three spammers
who just respond to themselves over and over again on the same level
as the viagra/webcam ones. I mean they'll take my money too, but I'll
be getting some service that is completely baloney (I think...).

Are they afraid of a good debate? I am willing to listen.

Feisty

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:54:06 PM1/24/08
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"jackson.vane" <jackso...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I wonder why they never respond to the criticisms that they get.

Because we don't agree with them, its a kind of "flunk" imo.

They have their tr's in, so they have to agree to gibberish. They have to
answer to alice in wonderland sentences that don't make sense. So as in any
exercise, the repetition of confusion is passed along. And we can see whats
wrong with the arguments. They are strained to hammer it in.

So they will exhaust themselves until we agree? Shows you how they cannot
carry on a real conversation. They have already learned and have been
totally convinved to stop thinking about the issue.

Maureen

Creed Judson Pearson, III Silentology.com

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:54:47 PM1/24/08
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What would you like to talk about?

jackson.vane

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:01:56 PM1/24/08
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On Jan 24, 8:54 pm, "Creed Judson Pearson, III Silentology.com"

<creedpear...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:45:23 -0800 (PST), "jackson.vane"
>

Just more about the undying hate of psychiatry. It hits home more for
myself because I am in the medical field. I know its a moot point,
but I would rather defense with stuff I dont agree with then just
blind repetition of so-called evidence followed by infomercial-esque
commentary.

barb

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:23:03 PM1/24/08
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They can "talk to anybody about anything," in theory anyways. In
reality, most of 'em have a hard time even making eye contact.

--
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Android Cat

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:38:57 PM1/24/08
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I keep track of the anti-psych Circlejerk posters, and other noisemarkers
and who they reply to.
http://home.primus.ca/~ronsharp/circlejerk.html

If you look at Angela Gupta, for example, you'll see that she only posts new
messages or replies to Trudy, Bruce or Nina. If you check those posters,
it's exactly the same. They only reply to messages from each other in a
tight little circle.

Maybe they should take the Comm Course eh?

--
Ron of that ilk.


Ted Mayett

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Jan 25, 2008, 9:32:18 AM1/25/08
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:38:57 -0500, "Android Cat"
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>I keep track of the anti-psych Circlejerk posters, and other noisemarkers
>and who they reply to.
>http://home.primus.ca/~ronsharp/circlejerk.html
>
>If you look at Angela Gupta, for example, you'll see that she only posts new
>messages or replies to Trudy, Bruce or Nina. If you check those posters,
>it's exactly the same. They only reply to messages from each other in a
>tight little circle.
>
>Maybe they should take the Comm Course eh?

Maybe they are doing a Comm Course?

--
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Bruce Scott TOK

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Jan 25, 2008, 12:58:46 PM1/25/08
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The sad fact is, they used to have people debate here. Before about the
and of 1995. Each one (at least the screen name) would last a few
months and there would be another. The one called Lee Holzinger was
mostly on broadcast, but others such as the one called Vera Wallace
would really get into the fray. Enough that you could come to
understand the mindset just with this interaction.

Tory, while still "in" caused long threads but at that time I wasn't
paying so much attention. Only after she escaped and did so well in
explaining her experiences both before and after did I pay much
attention again. But now there is no one who is obviously "in" and
doing any discussion. Perhaps a year or so before the first Magoo posts
there was a teenager who came on, who people engaged, but who withdrew
under internal pressure. But if there was more than that in those years
in terms of direct Scn interaction I missed it.

--
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Bruce

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Bruce Scott TOK

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Jan 25, 2008, 1:01:41 PM1/25/08
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>If you look at Angela Gupta, for example, you'll see that she only posts new
>messages or replies to Trudy, Bruce or Nina. If you check those posters,
>it's exactly the same. They only reply to messages from each other in a
>tight little circle.

It seems to be the most stable set of posters (at least onscreen
identities) they've ever had. Makes K-filing really very easy. The
replies are another matter, but at least Roger uses different screen
names for that too.

Ronnie Marks

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Jan 26, 2008, 8:58:03 AM1/26/08
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Sometime near Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:58:46 +0100 (MET), Bruce Scott TOK
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> may have written:

>Perhaps a year or so before the first Magoo posts
>there was a teenager who came on, who people engaged, but who withdrew
>under internal pressure.

I remember her. Wasn't she from some little town in KY? Catlettsburg, IIRC.
--
Truth is something you stumble into when you think you're going some place else.
- Jerry Garcia

Bruce Scott TOK

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Jan 26, 2008, 12:32:10 PM1/26/08
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Ronnie Marks wrote:

>Sometime near Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:58:46 +0100 (MET), Bruce Scott TOK
><Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> may have written:

>>Perhaps a year or so before the first Magoo posts
>>there was a teenager who came on, who people engaged, but who withdrew
>>under internal pressure.
>
>I remember her. Wasn't she from some little town in KY? Catlettsburg, IIRC.

I saw it on web sites after the fact. Someone kept reminding her that
she had said Scn would let her say what she wanted. In ever more
desperate, plaintive tone, as she withdrew. Another case where you
could really feel the sinister nature of the control regime.

Ronnie Marks

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Jan 26, 2008, 1:29:07 PM1/26/08
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Sometime near Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:32:10 +0100 (MET), Bruce Scott TOK

<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> may have written:

>Ronnie Marks wrote:

>>I remember her. Wasn't she from some little town in KY? Catlettsburg, IIRC.
>
>I saw it on web sites after the fact. Someone kept reminding her that
>she had said Scn would let her say what she wanted. In ever more
>desperate, plaintive tone, as she withdrew. Another case where you
>could really feel the sinister nature of the control regime.

Associative memory at it's best. The only reason I remember the town, and not
her name was I was really into Barbeque (contests and all) at the time and that
was one of the few places in the country that has a street named "Barbeque
Road".

Yea, she was sure that her folks (who were public, IIRC) weren't going to do
anything about what she said, and she was going to get into the SeaOrg and
change the world. All the while, she would be free to speak her mind.

I wonder if she ever remembers what she thought of that "freedom of speech"
attitude that the CoS has.

jackson.vane

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Jan 26, 2008, 6:49:01 PM1/26/08
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That is pretty messed up that she got suppressed. Looking at other
"responses" on other threads, like Tory's thread on why there were no
spammers on a particular day, there was some viciousness with name
calling. I wonder if they were trained to respond with such vulgarity
or if they were just angry that people were challenging their beliefs?

barb

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Jan 26, 2008, 7:15:29 PM1/26/08
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There was a highly intelligent, extremely humorous young woman who had a
couple of nyms. Emma Goldman was one. She was the daughter of a high
ranking family of Scientologists, going to school in Beijing. This is
long enough ago that presumably she's graduated from that, but she had a
rebellious streak that made her think she could post here if she felt
like it. Her family put the hammer down and made it clear to her that,
if she continued in that direction, they would disconnect and leave her
stranded in China. Fi she complied, they would continue to fund her
schooling.

Alas, she capitulated, yanked all her email accounts, and disappeared. I
hope that rebellious streak she had still lives. I'd love to hear from
her again, we has some extremely entertaining exchanges on the web.

I wish her the best of everything.

R. Hill

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Mar 5, 2008, 12:25:38 PM3/5/08
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On Jan 26, 7:15 pm, barb <xenub...@netscape.net> wrote:
> jackson.vane wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 7:58 am, Ronnie Marks <Ron...@RonnieMarks.org> wrote:
> >> Sometime near Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:58:46 +0100 (MET), Bruce Scott TOK
> >> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> may have written:
>
> >>> Perhaps a year or so before the first Magoo posts
> >>> there was a teenager who came on, who people engaged, but who withdrew
> >>> under internal pressure.

<snip>

> There was a highly intelligent, extremely humorous young woman who had a

> couple of nyms.EmmaGoldmanwas one. She was the daughter of a high


> ranking family of Scientologists, going to school in Beijing. This is
> long enough ago that presumably she's graduated from that, but she had a
> rebellious streak that made her think she could post here if she felt
> like it. Her family put the hammer down and made it clear to her that,
> if she continued in that direction, they would disconnect and leave her
> stranded in China. Fi she complied, they would continue to fund her
> schooling.
>
> Alas, she capitulated, yanked all her email accounts, and disappeared. I
> hope that rebellious streak she had still lives. I'd love to hear from
> her again, we has some extremely entertaining exchanges on the web.
>
> I wish her the best of everything.

Of course we all know by now that Kendra Wiseman now speaks out
freely, it's nice to see you wishes have been granted:

http://exscientologykids.com/kendra1.html

The Dark Lord

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Mar 5, 2008, 12:32:44 PM3/5/08
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Problem is the likes of Trudy and that only focus on the bad. True
some drugs have side effects, but the problem is more people's lives
have been damaged, completely ruined or outright ended when someone
fails to take their proscribed medicine. Elie Perkins being a well
known example. I believe demonising psychiatry is merely an attempt to
compensate for the face Dianetics is ineffective at best.

R. Hill

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Mar 5, 2008, 12:37:01 PM3/5/08
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On Mar 5, 12:32 pm, The Dark Lord <TheDarkLord...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Alright, I should have changed the subject name, I didn't care much
about the original topic of the thread, I just wanted to point out
that Barb's wishes had been granted.

Ray.

Android Cat

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Mar 5, 2008, 3:04:47 PM3/5/08
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Cool! I guess Scientology really does hate the Internet, and specifically,
messages to Sea Org kids.

barb

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Mar 5, 2008, 3:41:35 PM3/5/08
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Yes...I am extremely pleased!

--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
I can haz Legion?

“I think that the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist
so long as we don’t step over the line. When religious worship and
belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and
the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer
appropriate.”

--Robert Goff
Professor Emeritus, UCSC

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