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 More options Feb 27 2009, 8:01 pm
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From: gianluca.spad...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:01:14 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:01 pm
Subject: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
We all know, who Mary Panton is...  right ?     If you do not know,
please check this videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
started writing a blog.  Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
start a conversation.

......
So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
......

Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
disappeared from  internet.

As far as I know ( and understand )  Scientology teaching,
COMMUNICATION  is very high on their tone scale..
Some how , it did not work in her case.

I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
to communicate...  So, I do understand her very well.

Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and  David
Miscavige told her to delete the blog.

OR ????     (any other ideas)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------

Here follows  a CUT & PASTE from her former blog at
http://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton
including  Roan's polite invitation
About

I’m all about the truth.  The truth on issues like politics, economy,
religion, relationships, philosophy, cultures, conspiracies…you get
the idea, all subjects we are NOT supposed to discuss if we want to
maintain good relationships with others. But the ‘truth’ is not always
easy to see.  Most of the time, we are on a journey, in the middle of
a conversation, still gathering enough information, to learn about
that truth.  It’s a mistake to think that what we know today is the
end of the journey.  Most often, the conversation we have today only
unmasks another question.  As long as I am willing to have that next
conversation, I know I will eventually arrive.  That is the purpose of
this blog; to have those conversations.

Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist in the Florida legislature and
that has taught me the most about civilized discourse, how to propose
a new idea and educate people about those ideas.  I think it has been
the most rewarding thing I have done.  I would say that my good
friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
me reap the rewards of success.  We went to war together and came out
the other side with a lasting friendship.

No matter what else I am doing, I am always a mom and a daughter.
Family are there for the whole arc of your life .  They see your
successes and your failures so they know how hard you’ve worked.
Learning how to succeed at home can sometimes be the most challenging
because you have to do it everyday.  The honor and privilege of those
tight relationships outweighs any award I have ever been bestowed.

The other players in my life are: my two best girlfriends, Ashleigh
and Bunny, my adviser ‘guru’, Fred, and my 27 year friendship with
Alex, who has always inspired me to be better than I was. These are
the people who have let me bounce ideas off of, never hold me to
positions I have taken one day and changed the next and gently asked
me the hard questions that push me past my own shortcomings.  People
come in and out of your life, but these are the ones I would never
trade.

I graduated from New York University with a Bachelor of Fine Art in
1988.  Since then I’ve gotten into an awful lot of trouble bucking the
system.  I just ask too many questions and I keep forgetting to accept
the very glossy answers I receive.  It’s hard to be this
controversial.  It’s hard to find your own value in a world where
labels are so important and you just don’t fit into the popular ones.
It’s hard to pick out the pieces of truth in a media age where so much
of the reality we are sold is being manufactured by the people who are
selling it.  We are practically forced to trust only ourselves
anymore.  What faith it takes to trust each other once we have been
betrayed.

Today I care mostly about social justice issues.  But you won’t find
me addressing them in the traditional ways.  I think we have made very
big mistakes by defining our solutions under the banner of Democrat or
Republican.  If there is one passion I can be labeled for it would be
in getting honest about what we are doing at war, to our fellow
citizens, our youth, our inmates and our schools.  We must understand
that whatever we do to them, we do to ourselves.  We are a society
that is interlocked and we need everyone to do better or we will all
suffer.

So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
8 Responses to “About”

   1. Ashleigh Says:
      October 18, 2008 at 4:28 pm

      Beautiful Mar,

      Thanks for sharing these~

      Love u,
      Ashe
   2. Fred Says:
      November 2, 2008 at 6:14 pm

      Great poems–really-no shit… organic, sensitive and fresh. Keep
at it.
   3. Allen Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 6:29 am

      Hi Mary!

      Glad to see you’re about truth and social justice.

      What do you think about the Anonymous movement, fighting for
justice against the CoS?

      Can you say truthfully what prompted you to harass peaceful
picketers, as you mention in your blog?

      You do write well.

      Best Wishes.
   4. Bill Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 3:39 pm

      Hello Mary,

      First, may I say that you look healthy and beautiful. I remember
seeing you on videos from your Scientiology days, harassing picketers.
I am glad that you blew Scientology and I hope you are enjoying your
new found freedom. Physically, you now look so much healthier now.

      I hope that you have found peace in your new life away from
Scientology. I hope that this freedom it has allowed you to find your
true self. I hope that this freedom has made you a nicer person.

      I wish you well and I hope that some day, you will be willing to
have some dialogue with people like Mark Bunker, Tory Christman, or
perhaps even Bob Minton if he is still around.

      Mark Bunker posted a video on his WOG Blog at X…tv.com directed
at you. It is worth viewing if you can take a few minutes to do so.
Personally, I was touched by it. I think Mr. Bunker is someone who you
can trust. He and Tory Christman have become friends and he has not
violated her trust in the slightest. Mr. Bunker is a good man with
strong moral values.

      Good luck to you Mary and take care.
   5. Roan Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      Dear Mary,

      Great blog! I’d like to extend to you my personal invitation to
come over and start posting on our Operation Clambake message board.
Folks are sure you’d have a lot to contribute!

      Contact me and I’ll get you going!

      Regards,

      Roan
   6. Bill Says:
      January 31, 2009 at 8:59 pm

      Well, I wish I had done my homework before posting on this blog
above.

      So, Mary is working for Thomas Wright of “Emory Capital” as a
lobbyist. Thomas Wright is a $cientologist and he is an OT. If Mary
had actually blown the org, there would be no way Thomas Wright would
have a relationship with her, personal or otherwise. He would have
disconnected from her.

      It is quite possible that the story about her blowing the org
was a typical OSA deception aimed at diverting attention away from the
PR disaster she turned out to be.
   7. Bill Says:
      January 31, 2009 at 9:02 pm

      Hrmmm I just noticed my 1st post was deleted. That is so typical
of a $cientologist.
   8. bed Says:
      February 1, 2009 at 1:48 am

      “Let’s have a conversation.” Cool. I’m in.

      I’ve read your other posts (can’t believe you are single: trust
me, you have many babe qualities, if I was single…) and especially
your blog post about the whole world watching.

      OK, yeah, you were pretty silly. Mostly it was entertaining more
than evil. Now the group you were fronting? Pretty damn evil. Not the
Tech. Not the people, but the management more than anything (crashing
stats tell no lie).

      Look, this blog is something of a joke unless you confront
openly what is going on with a certain applied religious philosophy
and your views/evolution with it, etc.

      You say you “are all about the truth.” OK, go for it.


 
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:04:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
or check the google cache

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:52:46 -0800
Local: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

Probably got threatened by the cult.

C

www.claireswazey.com


 
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:20:02 -0800
Local: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

Ball of Fluff wrote:

> Probably got threatened by the cult.

> C

> www.claireswazey.com

Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
want to get another date!"

Peach
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:24:56 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
On Feb 27, 8:01 pm, gianluca.spad...@gmail.com wrote:

« Underneath The Rotting Skin Of Our CultureThe Honeymoon Phase: Every
Relationship Has One »What If The World Was Watching?
By marypanton
By: Mary Panton

Ever get the sneaking suspicion that someone is watching you so you
sit up a little straighter, smile a little broader and generally
upgrade your manners across the boards?

The internet has become a sort of 24/7 watchdog on our culture.  I
think its a good thing and a bad thing.  Anything you do or say in a
single moment can live forever on the net.  People report back on your
behavior at a party, replete with uploaded mobile photos to evidence
the occasion.  I read an article in the paper this week about a
website on college campuses devoted to rumors, gossip and rants that
is growing rapidly in popularity.  Juicycampus.com describes itself as
free ...

read more »


 
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 More options Feb 28 2009, 3:55 am
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:55:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 28 2009 3:55 am
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
On Feb 28, 3:52 am, "Ball of Fluff" <getoffmy...@fluffentology.com>
wrote:
> Probably got threatened by the cult.

Sounds like a good possibility. Some of the stuff she said was pretty
inane even if it was heartfelt. And many of the responses were caustic
enough - toward the cult at least - that I'm surprised she allowed
them to be posted. Maybe she expected to get ridiculed incessantly if
she censored them, and lambasted repeatedly if she didn't, so taking
down the blog was the easiest solution.

 
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 More options Feb 28 2009, 10:25 am
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 07:25:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 28 2009 10:25 am
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
On Feb 27, 7:01 pm, gianluca.spad...@gmail.com wrote:

I’m all about the truth.  The truth on issues like politics, economy,
religion, relationships, philosophy, cultures, conspiracies…you get
the idea, all subjects we are NOT supposed to discuss if we want to
maintain good relationships with others. ----But the ‘truth’ is not
always easy to see.  Most of the time, we are on a journey, in the
middle of a conversation, still gathering enough information,---- to
learn about that truth.

Suggestive of MO. Can you say interrogation? The truth is not covert,
eg., "in the middle of a conversation."

Flowery speech does not equate to truth OR trustin a persons MO. Trust
is earned.

Hope all the comments sink, although freedom of speech issues (if not
political action committee, ((PAC)) intentions seem to have rained in
on the 'truth' patter.

Maureen

> Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist in the Florida legislature and
> that has taught me the most about civilized discourse, how to propose
> a new idea and educate people about those ideas.  I think it has been
> the most rewarding thing I have done.  I would say that my good
> friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
> arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
> me reap the rewards of success.  We went to war together and came out
> the other side with a lasting friendship.

"...Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist...I would say that my good
friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
me reap the rewards of success. ..."

 
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:38:51 +0100
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Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

<gianluca.spad...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
4cdfec3f-b970-4b30-abcf-7e94e5adf...@c11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
We all know, who Mary Panton is...  right ?     If you do not know,
please check this videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
started writing a blog.  Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
start a conversation.

<<seems she's blackmailed or too much of a brainwashed girl yet, to stand up
before the cultic lessons...

<<r

......
So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
......

Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
disappeared from  internet.

As far as I know ( and understand )  Scientology teaching,
COMMUNICATION  is very high on their tone scale..
Some how , it did not work in her case.

I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
to communicate...  So, I do understand her very well.

Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and  David
Miscavige told her to delete the blog.

OR ????     (any other ideas)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------

Here follows  a CUT & PASTE from her former blog at
http://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton
including  Roan's polite invitation
About

I’m all about the truth.  The truth on issues like politics, economy,
religion, relationships, philosophy, cultures, conspiracies…you get
the idea, all subjects we are NOT supposed to discuss if we want to
maintain good relationships with others. But the ‘truth’ is not always
easy to see.  Most of the time, we are on a journey, in the middle of
a conversation, still gathering enough information, to learn about
that truth.  It’s a mistake to think that what we know today is the
end of the journey.  Most often, the conversation we have today only
unmasks another question.  As long as I am willing to have that next
conversation, I know I will eventually arrive.  That is the purpose of
this blog; to have those conversations.

Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist in the Florida legislature and
that has taught me the most about civilized discourse, how to propose
a new idea and educate people about those ideas.  I think it has been
the most rewarding thing I have done.  I would say that my good
friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
me reap the rewards of success.  We went to war together and came out
the other side with a lasting friendship.

No matter what else I am doing, I am always a mom and a daughter.
Family are there for the whole arc of your life .  They see your
successes and your failures so they know how hard you’ve worked.
Learning how to succeed at home can sometimes be the most challenging
because you have to do it everyday.  The honor and privilege of those
tight relationships outweighs any award I have ever been bestowed.

The other players in my life are: my two best girlfriends, Ashleigh
and Bunny, my adviser ‘guru’, Fred, and my 27 year friendship with
Alex, who has always inspired me to be better than I was. These are
the people who have let me bounce ideas off of, never hold me to
positions I have taken one day and changed the next and gently asked
me the hard questions that push me past my own shortcomings.  People
come in and out of your life, but these are the ones I would never
trade.

I graduated from New York University with a Bachelor of Fine Art in
1988.  Since then I’ve gotten into an awful lot of trouble bucking the
system.  I just ask too many questions and I keep forgetting to accept
the very glossy answers I receive.  It’s hard to be this
controversial.  It’s hard to find your own value in a world where
labels are so important and you just don’t fit into the popular ones.
It’s hard to pick out the pieces of truth in a media age where so much
of the reality we are sold is being manufactured by the people who are
selling it.  We are practically forced to trust only ourselves
anymore.  What faith it takes to trust each other once we have been
betrayed.

Today I care mostly about social justice issues.  But you won’t find
me addressing them in the traditional ways.  I think we have made very
big mistakes by defining our solutions under the banner of Democrat or
Republican.  If there is one passion I can be labeled for it would be
in getting honest about what we are doing at war, to our fellow
citizens, our youth, our inmates and our schools.  We must understand
that whatever we do to them, we do to ourselves.  We are a society
that is interlocked and we need everyone to do better or we will all
suffer.

So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
8 Responses to “About”

   1. Ashleigh Says:
      October 18, 2008 at 4:28 pm

      Beautiful Mar,

      Thanks for sharing these~

      Love u,
      Ashe
   2. Fred Says:
      November 2, 2008 at 6:14 pm

      Great poems–really-no shit… organic, sensitive and fresh. Keep
at it.
   3. Allen Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 6:29 am

      Hi Mary!

      Glad to see you’re about truth and social justice.

      What do you think about the Anonymous movement, fighting for
justice against the CoS?

      Can you say truthfully what prompted you to harass peaceful
picketers, as you mention in your blog?

      You do write well.

      Best Wishes.
   4. Bill Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 3:39 pm

      Hello Mary,

      First, may I say that you look healthy and beautiful. I remember
seeing you on videos from your Scientiology days, harassing picketers.
I am glad that you blew Scientology and I hope you are enjoying your
new found freedom. Physically, you now look so much healthier now.

      I hope that you have found peace in your new life away from
Scientology. I hope that this freedom it has allowed you to find your
true self. I hope that this freedom has made you a nicer person.

      I wish you well and I hope that some day, you will be willing to
have some dialogue with people like Mark Bunker, Tory Christman, or
perhaps even Bob Minton if he is still around.

      Mark Bunker posted a video on his WOG Blog at X…tv.com directed
at you. It is worth viewing if you can take a few minutes to do so.
Personally, I was touched by it. I think Mr. Bunker is someone who you
can trust. He and Tory Christman have become friends and he has not
violated her trust in the slightest. Mr. Bunker is a good man with
strong moral values.

      Good luck to you Mary and take care.
   5. Roan Says:
      January 30, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      Dear Mary,

      Great blog! I’d like to extend to you my personal invitation to
come over and start posting on our Operation Clambake message board.
Folks are sure you’d have a lot to contribute!

      Contact me and I’ll get you going!

      Regards,

      Roan
   6. Bill Says:
      January 31, 2009 at 8:59 pm

      Well, I wish I had done my homework before posting on this blog
above.

      So, Mary is working for Thomas Wright of “Emory Capital” as a
lobbyist. Thomas Wright is a $cientologist and he is an OT. If Mary
had actually blown the org, there would be no way Thomas Wright would
have a relationship with her, personal or otherwise. He would have
disconnected from her.

      It is quite possible that the story about her blowing the org
was a typical OSA deception aimed at diverting attention away from the
PR disaster she turned out to be.
   7. Bill Says:
      January 31, 2009 at 9:02 pm

      Hrmmm I just noticed my 1st post was deleted. That is so typical
of a $cientologist.
   8. bed Says:
      February 1, 2009 at 1:48 am

      “Let’s have a conversation.” Cool. I’m in.

      I’ve read your other posts (can’t believe you are single: trust
me, you have many babe qualities, if I was single…) and especially
your blog post about the whole world watching.

      OK, yeah, you were pretty silly. Mostly it was entertaining more
than evil. Now the group you were fronting? Pretty damn evil. Not the
Tech. Not the people, but the management more than anything (crashing
stats tell no lie).

      Look, this blog is something of a joke unless you confront
openly what is going on with a certain applied religious philosophy
and your views/evolution with it, etc.

      You say you “are all about the truth.” OK, go for it.


 
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 More options Mar 1 2009, 12:00 pm
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From: "Ball of Fluff" <getoffmy...@fluffentology.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:00:07 -0800
Local: Sun, Mar 1 2009 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

"realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Ball of Fluff wrote:

>> Probably got threatened by the cult.

>> C

>> www.claireswazey.com

> Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
> want to get another date!"

Well, I don't know that it would have barred her from getting dates, but
yeah, I think the idea here is that we don't know why she took it down. But
some people here and on OCMB are assuming the worst and it just ain't
necessarily so.

C

www.claireswazey.com


 
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:19:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Mar 1 2009 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
On Mar 1, 6:00 pm, "Ball of Fluff" <getoffmy...@fluffentology.com>
wrote:

Oh, I would say that her self-absorbed ramblings, combined with the
caustic comments of various people about Scientology, might well have
limited her dating possibilities somewhat. Maybe FaceBook would have
been a better choice.


 
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 More options Mar 1 2009, 1:45 pm
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From: realpch <real...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:45:31 -0800
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Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

If I were a guy interested in her, and read it, I would subsequently
have run for my life.

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 More options Mar 1 2009, 1:47 pm
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:47:50 -0800
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Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)

I dunno about that, since I'm not that familiar with FaceBook culture,
though I fear the worst. Ms. Manners would say, dating is like a job
interview. We do not diss our old bosses at the job interview!

: D

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 More options Mar 1 2009, 2:01 pm
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:01:02 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Mary Panton blog is gone ( here is cut&paste for the historical reasons)
On Mar 1, 7:45 pm, realpch <real...@aol.com> wrote:

What if a guy interested in her saw those manic-psychotic YouTube
videos of her bullbaiting Mark B.?

In fact, I think her former boyfriend did see those, and probably some
prospective 2-D interests did too. Any date might at least be inspired
to give her a lecture on karma, if not smack her around a bit before
running away.

In some instances, communication is NOT the universal solvent. ;-)


 
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