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We all know, who Mary Panton is... right ? If you do not know,
please check this videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
started writing a blog. Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
start a conversation.

......
So, that’s me. Here is my Blog. Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
......

Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
disappeared from internet.

As far as I know ( and understand ) Scientology teaching,
COMMUNICATION is very high on their tone scale..
Some how , it did not work in her case.

I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
to communicate... So, I do understand her very well.

Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and David
Miscavige told her to delete the blog.

OR ???? (any other ideas)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here follows a CUT & PASTE from her former blog at
http://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton
including Roan's polite invitation
About

I’m all about the truth. The truth on issues like politics, economy,
religion, relationships, philosophy, cultures, conspiracies…you get
the idea, all subjects we are NOT supposed to discuss if we want to
maintain good relationships with others. But the ‘truth’ is not always
easy to see. Most of the time, we are on a journey, in the middle of
a conversation, still gathering enough information, to learn about
that truth. It’s a mistake to think that what we know today is the
end of the journey. Most often, the conversation we have today only
unmasks another question. As long as I am willing to have that next
conversation, I know I will eventually arrive. That is the purpose of
this blog; to have those conversations.

Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist in the Florida legislature and
that has taught me the most about civilized discourse, how to propose
a new idea and educate people about those ideas. I think it has been
the most rewarding thing I have done. I would say that my good
friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
me reap the rewards of success. We went to war together and came out
the other side with a lasting friendship.

No matter what else I am doing, I am always a mom and a daughter.
Family are there for the whole arc of your life . They see your
successes and your failures so they know how hard you’ve worked.
Learning how to succeed at home can sometimes be the most challenging
because you have to do it everyday. The honor and privilege of those
tight relationships outweighs any award I have ever been bestowed.

The other players in my life are: my two best girlfriends, Ashleigh
and Bunny, my adviser ‘guru’, Fred, and my 27 year friendship with
Alex, who has always inspired me to be better than I was. These are
the people who have let me bounce ideas off of, never hold me to
positions I have taken one day and changed the next and gently asked
me the hard questions that push me past my own shortcomings. People
come in and out of your life, but these are the ones I would never
trade.

I graduated from New York University with a Bachelor of Fine Art in
1988. Since then I’ve gotten into an awful lot of trouble bucking the
system. I just ask too many questions and I keep forgetting to accept
the very glossy answers I receive. It’s hard to be this
controversial. It’s hard to find your own value in a world where
labels are so important and you just don’t fit into the popular ones.
It’s hard to pick out the pieces of truth in a media age where so much
of the reality we are sold is being manufactured by the people who are
selling it. We are practically forced to trust only ourselves
anymore. What faith it takes to trust each other once we have been
betrayed.

Today I care mostly about social justice issues. But you won’t find
me addressing them in the traditional ways. I think we have made very
big mistakes by defining our solutions under the banner of Democrat or
Republican. If there is one passion I can be labeled for it would be
in getting honest about what we are doing at war, to our fellow
citizens, our youth, our inmates and our schools. We must understand
that whatever we do to them, we do to ourselves. We are a society
that is interlocked and we need everyone to do better or we will all
suffer.

So, that’s me. Here is my Blog. Let’s have a conversation.

Love, Mary
8 Responses to “About”

1. Ashleigh Says:
October 18, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Beautiful Mar,

Thanks for sharing these~

Love u,
Ashe
2. Fred Says:
November 2, 2008 at 6:14 pm

Great poems–really-no shit… organic, sensitive and fresh. Keep
at it.
3. Allen Says:
January 30, 2009 at 6:29 am

Hi Mary!

Glad to see you’re about truth and social justice.

What do you think about the Anonymous movement, fighting for
justice against the CoS?

Can you say truthfully what prompted you to harass peaceful
picketers, as you mention in your blog?

You do write well.

Best Wishes.
4. Bill Says:
January 30, 2009 at 3:39 pm

Hello Mary,

First, may I say that you look healthy and beautiful. I remember
seeing you on videos from your Scientiology days, harassing picketers.
I am glad that you blew Scientology and I hope you are enjoying your
new found freedom. Physically, you now look so much healthier now.

I hope that you have found peace in your new life away from
Scientology. I hope that this freedom it has allowed you to find your
true self. I hope that this freedom has made you a nicer person.

I wish you well and I hope that some day, you will be willing to
have some dialogue with people like Mark Bunker, Tory Christman, or
perhaps even Bob Minton if he is still around.

Mark Bunker posted a video on his WOG Blog at X…tv.com directed
at you. It is worth viewing if you can take a few minutes to do so.
Personally, I was touched by it. I think Mr. Bunker is someone who you
can trust. He and Tory Christman have become friends and he has not
violated her trust in the slightest. Mr. Bunker is a good man with
strong moral values.

Good luck to you Mary and take care.
5. Roan Says:
January 30, 2009 at 8:30 pm

Dear Mary,

Great blog! I’d like to extend to you my personal invitation to
come over and start posting on our Operation Clambake message board.
Folks are sure you’d have a lot to contribute!

Contact me and I’ll get you going!

Regards,

Roan
6. Bill Says:
January 31, 2009 at 8:59 pm

Well, I wish I had done my homework before posting on this blog
above.

So, Mary is working for Thomas Wright of “Emory Capital” as a
lobbyist. Thomas Wright is a $cientologist and he is an OT. If Mary
had actually blown the org, there would be no way Thomas Wright would
have a relationship with her, personal or otherwise. He would have
disconnected from her.

It is quite possible that the story about her blowing the org
was a typical OSA deception aimed at diverting attention away from the
PR disaster she turned out to be.
7. Bill Says:
January 31, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Hrmmm I just noticed my 1st post was deleted. That is so typical
of a $cientologist.
8. bed Says:
February 1, 2009 at 1:48 am

“Let’s have a conversation.” Cool. I’m in.

I’ve read your other posts (can’t believe you are single: trust
me, you have many babe qualities, if I was single…) and especially
your blog post about the whole world watching.

OK, yeah, you were pretty silly. Mostly it was entertaining more
than evil. Now the group you were fronting? Pretty damn evil. Not the
Tech. Not the people, but the management more than anything (crashing
stats tell no lie).

Look, this blog is something of a joke unless you confront
openly what is going on with a certain applied religious philosophy
and your views/evolution with it, etc.

You say you “are all about the truth.” OK, go for it.

gianluca...@gmail.com

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On Feb 27, 5:01 pm, gianluca.spad...@gmail.com wrote:
> We all know, who Mary Panton is... right ? If you do not know,

> please check this videoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Bochttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs


>
> Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
> started writing a blog. Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
> single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
> So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
> start a conversation.
>
> ......
> So, that’s me. Here is my Blog. Let’s have a conversation.
>
> Love, Mary
> ......
>
> Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
> She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
> disappeared from internet.
>
> As far as I know ( and understand ) Scientology teaching,
> COMMUNICATION is very high on their tone scale..
> Some how , it did not work in her case.
>
> I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
> to communicate... So, I do understand her very well.
>
> Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and David
> Miscavige told her to delete the blog.
>
> OR ???? (any other ideas)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

> Here follows a CUT & PASTE from her former blog athttp://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton

Ball of Fluff

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Probably got threatened by the cult.

C

www.claireswazey.com


realpch

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Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
want to get another date!"

Peach
--
Extra! Extra! Read All About It!
Save some dough, save some grief:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com

FormerlyFooled

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On Feb 27, 8:01 pm, gianluca.spad...@gmail.com wrote:
> We all know, who Mary Panton is...  right ?     If you do not know,
> please check this videoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Bochttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

>
> Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
> started writing a blog.  Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
> single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
> So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
> start a conversation.
>
> ......
> So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.
>
> Love, Mary
> ......
>
> Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
> She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
> disappeared from  internet.
>
> As far as I know ( and understand )  Scientology teaching,
> COMMUNICATION  is very high on their tone scale..
> Some how , it did not work in her case.
>
> I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
> to communicate...  So, I do understand her very well.
>
> Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and  David
> Miscavige told her to delete the blog.
>
> OR ????     (any other ideas)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--------------------
>
> Here follows  a CUT & PASTE from her former blog athttp://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton

« Underneath The Rotting Skin Of Our CultureThe Honeymoon Phase: Every
Relationship Has One »What If The World Was Watching?
By marypanton
By: Mary Panton

Ever get the sneaking suspicion that someone is watching you so you
sit up a little straighter, smile a little broader and generally
upgrade your manners across the boards?

The internet has become a sort of 24/7 watchdog on our culture. I
think its a good thing and a bad thing. Anything you do or say in a
single moment can live forever on the net. People report back on your
behavior at a party, replete with uploaded mobile photos to evidence
the occasion. I read an article in the paper this week about a
website on college campuses devoted to rumors, gossip and rants that
is growing rapidly in popularity. Juicycampus.com describes itself as
free speech but CNN did a piece on the fear and panic it is striking
into the students on campus. On the surface it just seems wrong. But
then I had another thought; what if all this web-exposure causes us to
take that extra precaution and behave decently, like our grandparents
did in the old days? What if the very poison of having yourself
exposed on the web is the medicine we need to stop the moral decay of
our culture?

I have behaved badly myself and had it documented on camera and spread
across you tube where it will live forever. Of course, at the time I
believed wholeheartedly in what I was doing and never even
contemplated that a picket on a street corner in a small town would
live internationally and gain me such notoriety. I thought it was
some kind of small-time joke. But time has a way of giving you
perspective. I would never want to be treated the way I treated those
picketers. And I don’t want to live in a world where that is how we
solve our differences.

But the fact remains that having your behavior monitored does force
you to behave better. And that is true of our government as well.
There are websites popping up all over the net where the downtrodden
can vent their grievances. One example is the justice4kids site.
Cathy Corry is a mom and regular Joe just like you and I. She saw
something wrong with the Department of Juvenile Justice (DJJ) and
tried for the life of her to straighten it out. When she found no joy
in simply relaying the abuses in the system to her government
officials, she resorted to creating a website to act as a Watchdog.
If you want to know how successful that is…know this; the DJJ goes to
her website daily to find out if kids are dying or abused or if guards
are reporting abuses anonymously. And in order to avoid another
shakeup inside their department, they act quickly to right whatever
wrongs are legitimately exposed.

A People’s Watchdog DOES work. We just need more of them and better
organization. Think about it…we are millions strong and our
government officials are a small minority.

Small as they are, however, they feel no pressure to behave. Have you
ever tried to get a meeting with your congressman? Maybe in six
months he will squeeze you in for a 2 minute meeting. They are so far
removed from our control that we the people simply give up. And then
every few decades we rise up in hope and think that our vote on
election day will bring us a leader who will clean up the system.
Sadly, this will never work because there is a missing ingredient in
our democratic experiment…the People’s Lobby, a watchdog level of
management made up of the rest of us who aren’t elected.

I think we need to reinstate the draft…not for war but for a tour of
duty in mid-level management in our democracy. A watchdog made up of
the rest of the people who will look over the shoulder of our agencies
and report back on what they find. Can you imagine the frenzy our
officials would be in if this were to happen? In our current system,
the only pressure they ever feel is from a lobbyist sitting in the
gallery watching over them when it comes time to vote on the bills at
hand. The media used to act as a kind of watchdog, but they have
failed us miserably with their own brand of partisanship and tacit
agreement to manufacture the news instead of reporting on the very
real issues at hand. The mainstream media has failed so miserably at
reporting the truth that the internet has become the eyes and ears of
our culture, our society and of the world.

The specter of a whole new set of eyes watching over our employees in
the government…it sounds downright hopeful.

People are willing enough to pay taxes. We want our streets safe and
our schools full and our boarders protected. We are willing to pay.
Now we need to ask ourselves if we are willing to initiate a kind of
civil participation in the use of those taxes.

I wonder, would you participate in a People’s Lobby? - Mary Panton

© Mary Panton 2008


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14 Responses to “What If The World Was Watching?”
David Says:

January 30, 2009 at 6:46 am
Yep, I have seen those videos Mary and know exactly why you did what
you did and why you believed it was the right thing to do. I am glad
you see how wrong that was but wonder if you realise just how much
influence you were under at the time.

One hopes you are well and truly away from such influences because
they will twist your obvious desire to do good to benefit their
typically selfish agenda and make you believe you’re benefiting
society.

If you’re being taught to understand not only the argument for your
side in a debate but that of the opponents, to listen to what they say
and understand why they say it, then you’re probably on the right
track.

Oh and I agree the people should have far more control over the
Government, as someone once said “People should not fear their
Government, Governments should fear their people”. Although it would
be nice if neither side was afraid of the other.

Martin Ranger Says:

January 30, 2009 at 11:47 am
Hi Mary,

I’m one of those people who have seen the videos of yourself you
mention.

I have to admit, when I saw them I wondered “WTF is wrong with this
person?”

It’s clear your chagrined by your behavior back then. What I can’t
help but wonder though: have you examined the mind-set that made it
“okay” for you to act that way in the first place?

I’m not mentioning the 800 lb. gorilla in the room…

EC Says:

January 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I’ll mention the gorilla my dear sir.

I assume you’re not out of Scientology yet, since you’re still linking
to Scientology front-groups. I don’t really believe that you are
sorry, because this was most likely not your own initiative. There are
people dedicated to doing exact what you were doing that day, except
every single time there are protests; they’re called “handlers”. But
you know that. They’re there to scream, shout, belittle, take
photographs, and intimidate in any way shape and form they can. In
short, to “Get in their faces” as Hubbard said. You are(/were?) just
another handler, and I think the only thing you regret is that people
noticed how insane Scientology’s policies are when dealing with
critics.

What I’m curious about is: Do you still believe that Mark Bunker and
Bob Minton are criminals? You say you regret your behaviour, but you
weaseled right past actual acknowledgment of whether you were right or
wrong.

cultxpt Says:

January 30, 2009 at 4:40 pm
We learn with age, we learn from experience, and we learn from
education. We can also learn if we don’t assume The Other are terrible
subhumans who must be crushed but instead consider their views as
well. Then we are still fellow humans even if we decide to disagree.

I was on the receiving end of what you now say you regret doing. I am
happy for that. Perhaps you could educate the others from that time
who chose to use your methods as well?

n0b0dy Says:

January 30, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Her blog is damage control she’s working for Emory Capitol a
Scientologist investment house in Clearwater.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/6/743/911

Her boss is Tom Wright a big public Scientologist, OT8, lobbied for
Fairtax.org

She is being groomed to represent the church in legislative matters.
That means a clean secular blog. Again, she is being re-branded. So
when legislative staffers Google her they find the “aw-shucks, I’m
just everyday folks” blog she’s created.”

I have to agree. She hasn’t changed one whit. She is just spinning.

Claire Says:

January 30, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I, too, won’t mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Curious as to
what the last straw for you might have been. I think we all have
different points of no return.

Chuck Says:

January 30, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Some great ideas Mary. The greater the group watching, the smaller the
risk of being counter-attacked. The real heroes are those who take it
on themselves to infiltrate a corrupt organization and leak crimes
committed to the outside world. Yes we can all be watchful of
corruption, but without those inside eyes the fall of those who abuse
their positions would take much longer.

Jacob McCandles Says:

January 31, 2009 at 1:35 am
It’s one thing to learn from the bad behaviour of our past, it’s
another to apologise. While we can learn from our mistakes,
reconciling the ones we can is a lot more rewarding that changing for
the better.

It’s a show of strength whilst at the same time a show of humility.

anonymous Says:

January 31, 2009 at 2:35 am
Um no … you are just plain evil. You gave your mind to a cult and are
probably still in a cult.

It’s your fault. What you did was unforgivable. You actively sought to
discredit and defame people with legitimate concerns and you probably
laughed about the problems you cause for the Cult Awareness Network
which your cult took over.

I know that you wont publish this comment since you are a cult member.
But suffice it to say you as an individual represent everything that
is evil and wrong in the world.

G. Allen Says:

January 31, 2009 at 10:26 am
I have behaved badly myself and had it documented on camera and spread
across you tube where it will live forever.

Forgiveness lives forever too. I’m one of those observers you speak
of.

The Internet has given us greater opportunities to communicate and
some would say that is a good thing. I have a saying, “it’s OK to
disagree, it is not OK to be disagreeable about it.” The disagreements
are generally forgotten, why we disagreed or what we disagree about
gets washed away by time. How we go about treating each other, that is
important and that is what is remembered.

Thank you for being here Ms Panton, even if we don’t see eye to eye
about many things. It is in our differences that we learn for there
can be no learning when all is balanced and harmonious. Take care and
I hope we can run into each other some day. You might be surprised at
the things we do agree on.

Anonymous Says:

January 31, 2009 at 10:20 pm
“Of course, at the time I believed wholeheartedly in what I was
doing…”

And now you don’t anymore? You have this shiny new blog, and no word
about $cientology. Why is that, Mary? The cult used to be your life,
and now it seems to be all about a new life with butterflies and poems
and fighting the good fight - all while you’re still working for a
$cientology front group.

The internet is indeed watching, Mary. You should always remember
that.

Anonymousgirl86 Says:

February 1, 2009 at 12:15 am
You, my dear, are trying to overcompensate for the evil things you’ve
shouted at protesters outside of your cult’s orgs.

Your “justice4kids” org has links on it to Narconon (Scientology)… why
are you still affiliated with Scientology Mary?

Are they “handling” you now? Did your outrageous behaviour bring a
little negative attention to you from your org?

Is this a little damage control?

bed Says:

February 1, 2009 at 2:03 am
I trust you know Mark Bunker has a standing invitation to take you to
dinner. Without trying to speak for him (too much) I know personally
he really liked you as a person and truly understood why you were
doing what you did.

In case you don’t recognize him, poster cultxpt above was indeed
another of the LMT players.

If some of these responses carry a somewhat antagonisitc vibe, oh
well. That’s expected when you throw yourself out there for all to
read. Please know there are many people who want to hear your story
with a goal to understand rather than criticise. Don’t let ANYONE keep
you from telling your story. All best to you.

Mary McConnell Says:

February 1, 2009 at 2:50 am
Regarding your past behavior regrets and your self indulgent intimate
life post portraits, you ‘can’t have it both ways’ no matter hard you
ignore that reality.

There is life in Scientology and there is life outside of Scientology
and what you seek outside of it will never be found inside of it. Try
accepting that you acted like a Nazi and you did it because you agreed
to do it and that you were oppressive in what you did and that you,
like everyone else in the world, have to be accountable for what you
did in the past and no amount of lamentations is going to make anyone
here believe you have changed unless you apologize from the heart and
repent of it from the heart and show the kind of true humility you
would want from someone who had done the same to you.

Perhaps then you will be able to understand why this supposid Dr. B of
your’s left you and his friends intervened to help him as friends; why
he chose no relationship with you rather than one with a woman who has
the experience and potential to harass and stalk people exercising
their right to freedom of speech and to protest. I pray you wake up
because you’ll never find & keep the love & truth that you seek
because you just cannot have it both ways.
http://tinyurl.com/b6obgo

Eldon

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On Feb 28, 3:52 am, "Ball of Fluff" <getoffmy...@fluffentology.com>
wrote:

> Probably got threatened by the cult.
>
Sounds like a good possibility. Some of the stuff she said was pretty
inane even if it was heartfelt. And many of the responses were caustic
enough - toward the cult at least - that I'm surprised she allowed
them to be posted. Maybe she expected to get ridiculed incessantly if
she censored them, and lambasted repeatedly if she didn't, so taking
down the blog was the easiest solution.

Maureen

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On Feb 27, 7:01 pm, gianluca.spad...@gmail.com wrote:
> We all know, who Mary Panton is...  right ?     If you do not know,
> please check this videoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Bochttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

>
> Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
> started writing a blog.  Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
> single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
> So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
> start a conversation.
>
> ......
> So, that’s me.  Here is my Blog.  Let’s have a conversation.
>
> Love, Mary
> ......
>
> Some people took her offer seriously. For example Roan. ( see below).
> She did not engage in the conversation. Three weeks later her blog
> disappeared from  internet.
>
> As far as I know ( and understand )  Scientology teaching,
> COMMUNICATION  is very high on their tone scale..
> Some how , it did not work in her case.
>
> I think she is not Scientologist anymore ... therefore she is not able
> to communicate...  So, I do understand her very well.
>
> Or, perhaps, she is still a Scientologist under the skin, and  David
> Miscavige told her to delete the blog.
>
> OR ????     (any other ideas)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Here follows  a CUT & PASTE from her former blog athttp://marypanton.wordpress.com/mary-panton

> including  Roan's polite invitation
> About
>

I’m all about the truth.  The truth on issues like politics, economy,
religion, relationships, philosophy, cultures, conspiracies…you get
the idea, all subjects we are NOT supposed to discuss if we want to

maintain good relationships with others. ----But the ‘truth’ is not


always easy to see.  Most of the time, we are on a journey, in the

middle of a conversation, still gathering enough information,---- to
learn about that truth.

Suggestive of MO. Can you say interrogation? The truth is not covert,
eg., "in the middle of a conversation."

Flowery speech does not equate to truth OR trustin a persons MO. Trust
is earned.

Hope all the comments sink, although freedom of speech issues (if not
political action committee, ((PAC)) intentions seem to have rained in
on the 'truth' patter.


Maureen


>
> Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist in the Florida legislature and
> that has taught me the most about civilized discourse, how to propose
> a new idea and educate people about those ideas.  I think it has been
> the most rewarding thing I have done.  I would say that my good
> friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
> arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting
> me reap the rewards of success.  We went to war together and came out
> the other side with a lasting friendship.

"...Most recently, I’ve been a lobbyist...I would say that my good


friend, Gus, has been the most influential person for me in that
arena, taking me under his wing, letting me make mistakes and letting

me reap the rewards of success. ..."

xenufrance

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<gianluca...@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
4cdfec3f-b970-4b30...@c11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

We all know, who Mary Panton is... right ? If you do not know,
please check this videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjzDgMmELY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocw90W44Boc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3GcRGM9Xs

Then, 2-3 years ago she disappeared from internet. A year go she
started writing a blog. Very nice blog. Her blog did NOT contain a
single word related to Scientology cult. Nada, niente, nichst, zilch.
So, it seemed that she left the cult. Even more, she invited people to
start a conversation.

<<seems she's blackmailed or too much of a brainwashed girl yet, to stand up
before the cultic lessons...

<<r

Ball of Fluff

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"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:49A8AD61...@aol.com...

> Ball of Fluff wrote:
>>
>> Probably got threatened by the cult.
>>
>> C
>>
>> www.claireswazey.com
>
> Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
> want to get another date!"
>


Well, I don't know that it would have barred her from getting dates, but
yeah, I think the idea here is that we don't know why she took it down. But
some people here and on OCMB are assuming the worst and it just ain't
necessarily so.

C

www.claireswazey.com


Eldon

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Mar 1, 2009, 12:19:34 PM3/1/09
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On Mar 1, 6:00 pm, "Ball of Fluff" <getoffmy...@fluffentology.com>
wrote:
> "realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> news:49A8AD61...@aol.com...
>
> > Ball of Fluff wrote:
>
> >> Probably got threatened by the cult.
>
> >> C
>
> >>www.claireswazey.com
>
> > Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
> > want to get another date!"
>
> Well, I don't know that it would have barred her from getting dates, but
> yeah, I think the idea here is that we don't know why she took it down.

Oh, I would say that her self-absorbed ramblings, combined with the
caustic comments of various people about Scientology, might well have
limited her dating possibilities somewhat. Maybe FaceBook would have
been a better choice.

realpch

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Mar 1, 2009, 1:45:31 PM3/1/09
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If I were a guy interested in her, and read it, I would subsequently
have run for my life.

realpch

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Mar 1, 2009, 1:47:50 PM3/1/09
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I dunno about that, since I'm not that familiar with FaceBook culture,
though I fear the worst. Ms. Manners would say, dating is like a job
interview. We do not diss our old bosses at the job interview!

: D

Eldon

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Mar 1, 2009, 2:01:02 PM3/1/09
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On Mar 1, 7:45 pm, realpch <real...@aol.com> wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
>
> > "realpch" <real...@aol.com> wrote in message

> >news:49A8AD61...@aol.com...
> > > Ball of Fluff wrote:
>
> > >> Probably got threatened by the cult.
>
> > >> C
>
> > >>www.claireswazey.com
>
> > > Or her friends might have said, "Take that darn thing down if you ever
> > > want to get another date!"
>
> > Well, I don't know that it would have barred her from getting dates, but
> > yeah, I think the idea here is that we don't know why she took it down. But
> > some people here and on OCMB are assuming the worst and it just ain't
> > necessarily so.
>
> > C
>
> >www.claireswazey.com
>
> If I were a guy interested in her, and read it, I would subsequently
> have run for my life.

What if a guy interested in her saw those manic-psychotic YouTube
videos of her bullbaiting Mark B.?

In fact, I think her former boyfriend did see those, and probably some
prospective 2-D interests did too. Any date might at least be inspired
to give her a lecture on karma, if not smack her around a bit before
running away.

In some instances, communication is NOT the universal solvent. ;-)

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